Communities concerned over a proposed national monument in southwest Colorado
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A proposed national monument in southwest Colorado is drawing concern from some in nearby communities, as environmental groups push for additional protections on nearly 400,000 acres of land.
The proposed Dolores Canyons National Monument would be the largest in Colorado -- big enough to fit all nine of the state's current monuments inside of it.
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I've never heard the argument that to "protect" an area you have to exploit it for mining.
You never heard it? It's what both parties and all capitalists say all the time
Exactly. Find a way to help the residents preserve their livlihood and lifestyle, but lose the mining rights. Allowing further mining in the area is ridiculous.
They're simply greedy and don't want to share the public natural beauty of where they chose to live. Too bad! We need more protected wild places, not more leveled mine fields
Oh yeah mining is so bad get the fuck off your phone with fucking minerals made in it, and get off you electric car with a billion minerals in it, not in my country you say shifting the mining to a different country. Out of sight out of mind for you motherfuckers
The world is full of things that you don’t know and haven’t heard of. Sit down and close your mouth you might learn something.
Runs a bed and breakfast, complains about people coming to visit………
The fact that it's still running means it gets enough people to continue staying in business.
Afraid that a big motel will crush her business. It won't, but I feel it's about feeling that way.
Yes. She, like the town appreciates a few guests. That doesn't mean she wants it to become chock full of travelers.
@@Timbrock1000 except that is already happening. More and more people are heading there. Are we going to manage that? Or are we going to let chaos ensue? Going to let a couple billionaires buy it all? Then loot and pillage it, before subdividing it?
@@Timbrock1000 ok so only some may travel. Awesome. Thanks
The uranium and gold mines have left lots of clean up sites for tax payers to clean up as soon as the park is put in,The companys that bought the land turn it over to the gov and get a huge tax break and do not have to clean up the site,The taxpayer foots the bill and the company takes another name,
Yet Uranium is the future of this country power generation wise once the "green energy" corruption loses it's grip on the public and lawmakers.
People here in the comments need to read your comment. Everyone else is here is too quick to make a decision and do not see deep into it. In the end this happens too often and we all end up paying more.
"We like it the way it is." Ask the Utes, the Paiutes, the Navajo, etc about that phrase. Humans are only here for 75 years a piece approximately, but the land will remain long after those who oppose it are gone, so why mind what they think. Preserve the land for all of us, now and down the line. We, and the land will all be better for it.
I'd like to know what they think, but alas left out of the story as they're usually left out of the process.
"Maximum profit, ignore accountability" is the phrase our government has lived by for over 100 years, they have made it clear they don't care about anything else.
still need resources dipshit
@@wanderlpnw Just do a Google search about it. Water has been and is a huge part of current legislation between tribal nations against the US government. On top of virtually no access to clean water, the Diné*, N'de* and Hopi’sinom* face using water that has been contaminated after uranium mining. It is not unheard-of for a family to drive to fill large tanks of water and then drive hours back on a daily basis. The mining has made access to clean water an issue that affects these tribal nations not just day to day access, but in terms of cancer rates as well. As I have never lived on a reservation (most Natives do not), I cannot speak for them, but can direct you to do a search that can provide you with the voices of those directly affected.
*Navajo, Apache and Hopi
Well said Jason.
The collapse of the uranium mining interests should be a lesson learned, that big mining is only concerned with taking as much as they can for as long as they can. No concern for the environment and no concern for the residents of the communities that develop to support their endeavor. The mines left and abandoned the people to fend for themselves.
Protecting the land while controlling sustainable resource extraction would benefit the community. Nature is eternal and will still be there after the resource extractors have sucked the land barren. Wouldn't it be best to strike a balance between tourism and mining to sustain the community when mining leaves?
Exactly, look at Victor CO if you want proof. My family minded the mines around Victor 5 generations ago, and the mining jobs disappeared when it became to hard to mine by hand. Now it's a giant toxic pit owned by a foreign company. And Victor is a shell of its former self. Anyone who talks about the mining industry as an economic viability to sustain small communities, has no clue what they are talking about. That has not been true for nearly 100 years.
The "collapse " was orchestrated by the government so they could get control of the minerals. When the communists are finally in control, they will mine all of the minerals locked away in the national parks and "monuments". Colorado will be the first state to fall to the new communist regime.
Wholesale denigration of the majesty of the continental divide. How do these people get permits? There are multiple failures of people who are entrusted to oversee the beauty of the land. I just witnessed bulldozers pushing up the side of Wheeler Peak Wilderness area to build housing for the ultra rich. They've been developing everywhere there is a mountain view. Where's the forestry service, park service, intererior department, or ANY environmental groups? THIS IS AWFUL
Busy debating which subaru to buy when the updated models are out.
Disgusting response from that woman. Nothing but “I got here first, screw you”
Big fish in a small pond syndrome
Clearly, she's not active in the region she wants to keep for herself. I'm more apt to consider opinions from someone who spends their time in the wilderness.
My family is from that area, deep roots going back over a century, made a desert into farmland. We saw what tourists did to Moab and dont want it to happan to our little slice of heaven.
You Wokes sure know how to stir the pot.
That community will change regardless of a monument due to the coming human influx.
Due to the breadth of the highway Nucla is an ugly village in a beautiful place.
Colorado is changing, especially in the naturally air conditioned beauty of the high country. Colorado has become a refuge from climate change for the same wealthy people responsible for most of the CO2 in the atmosphere.
Once these wealthy resource hogs price-out the locals and take over Nucla you can be they will get the government to use taxpayer money to make the town pretty.
@@andywomack3414 Aspen bragging about being green, and fighting us out in Kansas saying we can't have a coal fired power plant. Meanwhile there's about 50 G5's parked at Aspen/Pitkin on any given day. And of course the giant second homes with fire places don't polute either.
@@maxpower9499 I delivered concrete to the trophy developments around Winter Park and Fraser as they tried to replicate the Aspen Magic. I call these large homes and condos "resource hogs." Just to keep these buildings alive requires a steady input of energy, and at any time during the winter it seems less than half would have people in them. Often not even ten-percent. How 'bout a vacancy tax to encourage builders to include quarters for people to keep an eye on the property, plow and shovel snow, clear fire-prone brush and forest etc. in exchange for the rent.
I would have loved to have had a gig like that. Especially if it included a ski-pass.
But Reaganomics, and TABOR.
Not with all the kitty mamas.
°~•.☆.•~°
Way to 🍊💩 up your Countryside Colorado.
Once it's gone it's gone.
@@andywomack3414 I was totally taken aback at the disaster from Tabernash up to Winter Park , couldn’t believe how crowded it’s become , I hadn’t been over Berthoud pass since I worked on the Windy Gap project , to say I wasn’t prepared for what I ran into is an understatement
So, she doesn't support the monument because a) it could prevent future growth of the mining industry in the valley, AND b) it could bring more people to the area? Wouldn't an expansion of the mining industry in the valley also bring more people to the area?
The mining industry would bring the worst kind of visitors. Just like the oil fields, brought in whore houses, strip clubs and bars because of all the young single males working big paying jobs with nothing else to do but spend it on beer and sinking the pink.
You want to help the land by bringing back mining and keeping out the national park service. Which one is better stewards of land? I’ll give you townies a bit to think about that.
They don’t trust daddy government. And they don’t want all of the beta “bucketlist dude bro” losers destroying that area like moab has been destroyed by speeding “it’s all about ME dude bro” losers.
Some people just want to be left alone…
How long is your beard now?!
@@07wrxtr1oh boy, the brain rot is real... If you think mining corporations are better than the government, you should look up the Animus forks River and see who poisoned it and who fixed it.
Oh noooo, let's be selfish, and keep everyone out of 'our town & area' 🙄
And let's ignore the fact that US recognition will help preserve that loved area forever... 😱
And, a big fat NO, to the equally selfish notion of only keeping 'your mining interests' active... And only 'your grazing rights' active... 😡 ... Its either open for all, or closed for all, in both concerns ...
Have you ever been here? A lot of this land is open to public, now. Open to hiking, exploring, fishing. Why aren't people visiting? People should educate themselves before opening mouth. You say the town folks are selfish, I say 98% of society is ignorant, offended and can't deal with reality.
Make it a park for preservation... don't build huge visitor centers and try to make it a tourist money grab site.
It only takes one “van life broooo” loser to show up and post one video online = boom - now it’s another moab 🤮
People falsely believe that seeing all of these places is going to magically solve their existential and ontological crisis of meaning
Remember the song Learn to be still - by the eagles?
We’ve got to much government involvement in everything as it is .
Government takes over everything and it’s about control not conservation
The hypocrisy is off the charts 😂😂😂
Did anyone ask the original people what they think should be done with the land stolen from them???
No mining. Save that land.
Amy needs to learn about the RECENT radioactive mine in Canon City, building a nuclear time bomb above the town. THAT could be your town.
she doesnt want a huge influx of people... what do you think the mines will bring? You are already getting people form the landscape alone, now you just have to regulate the future development.
Twisted
The continuation of grazing rights for local ranchers makes sense.
Am I missing something though?What was that woman's reasoning behind not wanting to protect the area that she doesn't want to change. Honestly I'm failing to understanding how keeping it available for future mining is in anyway protecting the area from change. That makes absolutely no sense. Mining, even when strictly regulated will significantly impact the area.
These people truly believe they own everything around them simply because they live in the area. They don't want to share anything with anyone else which is odd coming from a bed and breakfast operator. Wake up lady, you're po-dunk town like every other po-dunk town is subject to rehabilitation because the population of the U.S. is going up by several million every year.
Hope the Monument goes through. Protect the land. Our future depends upon it.
If you’re willing to “dig your heels in” and protect your community from outside influence, don’t run businesses catering to tourists.
Not being able to mine isn't a bad thing. Wild places need protection. I can't believe they grew up in a mining town that was abandoned and aren't able to comprehend how detrimental the mining industry is for society and the environment. Any grazing should be rotated steadily and monitored closely.
I think the locals have had their brains scrambled by all the radiation.
You will never transition away from fossil fuels without nuclear
I left Colorado because its very hard to find a place that isn't crowded out with people. My family built the first plank house in Denver and i was pushed out because the people ruined it, filled it up and uglified it
The whole front range is developed. It would be great if this beautiful piece of Colorado beauty was made into a monument.
My new word -- uglified!
Because people believe they can escape their personal problems
And
People inherently understand that certain people simply do not mix well with others
R vs K selection theory in biology illustrates this idea but it’s too “uncomfortable” and “inconvenient” of a topic - “oh No! What will my friends think!?”
@@user-yo1pk4ky4k LoL I find it useful 😉
@@07wrxtr1 no, I loved the city growing up, it was mine and I belonged. Now I prefer country and the hills and a simpler life. Maybe I just long for the past .
LoL
The wacko is ok with mining but not preserving the land for our children’s future. Ok, got it. I’m almost dead, the only thing I care about is our ecology and sustainability. Not exploitation.
You will never transition away from fossil fuels without nuclear
There's so little out there. You can declare it a monument and I doubt much will change. I will say the drive from Gateway to Nucla is super scenic! 😊
That’s exactly what I’m thinking as well. The area is pretty sparse and the places that offer hotel services are typically pretty expensive and reclusive.
I have ridden my motorcycle through there twice. It’s very beautiful. I doubt they’ll see more than a 10% increase in traffic after the couple of years.
Why would anyone want uranium mining brought back?
if there is uranium it most likely has rare earth minerals as well. for the space program. space force. cant rely on china.
You will never transition away from fossil fuels without nuclear
Eye roll.
“We like it the way it is.” Yeah….guess native people thought the same things before you got there.
Now you can imagine how the tribes felt, when the European boat people arrived.
Grand Staircase didn't ruin Escalante. Bears Ears didn't ruin Blanding. Calm down. There is money to be made, if that's what you're concerned about. The priority should be preserving public land. Heritage be damned.
The problem I've found is that when a place is just BLM land few people know about it. Once it gets monument status the people arrive from all over the world. Some of those people come from cultures that aren't as careful with the environment as we would like, leaving trash and human waste. I loved poking around the BLM areas near Bluff, Utah that have now become Bears Ears. The land was shared by native Americans, ranchers, and people like me that just poke around. Now it's a big tourist destination. It would be nice to leave some areas as just federal land shared by all interests.
These mega monuments destroy small towns and turn them into seasonal tourist traps! Trust me, I am from one of the small Utah towns that a mega monument that has ruined our economy. We now struggle to keep the population high enough to keep schools open. If the schools close the community will die, The only thing that is left are summertime restaurants and souvenir shops. We live off of the lands!
"the lands are beautiful because of the people that live here" lol delusional 😁
Mining claims in this region of the country have never brought anything other than despair a ruin to these communities. I was born and raised near here and the last thing I'd like to see for this and other watersheds in the region is another cycle of boom and bust.
I would argue that once it becomes the “bucketlist” destination for the van life losers = it will get destroyed by the people attempting to run from their problems
Moab is a perfect example: most of the population has unresolved mommy daddy issues so they’re here to burn out in an escapist mindset
“One of colorados hidden gems dude Bro!” - once a video like that hits = the walking dead bucketlist unoriginal losers show up and cause just as much or more destruction.
People need to quit - grow a garden, forgive their parents, quit social media and go back to a more traditional life
Is this working for anyone?
No.
We simply have created a fake online persona where algorithms decide who gets attention in a political non merit based situation that only uses and exploits the majority all while most lack a real sense of meaning and real relationships
Great- you ran around for years avoiding reality - now what?
Seems the protection of developers and miners is more important than the protection of nature and pristine land.
i sure hope they make it a monument!
Runs a bed and breakfast but doesn’t want the business?
Only wants her kind of business
Considering the size of her business she would be inadated with calls heck some city slickers file conplaints with THE BBB when they don't get "their" way.
@@KILLKING110 so what? Filing a complaint with the better Business Bureau does nothing whatsoever. They have zero power. Read that again. They have exactly 0 power or Authority to do anything legally. Therefore, they are completely worthless for the most part. With the exception of the extremely rare few that go and read their reviews, they aren't doing anything that matters. Most people don't take the time to go and read the reviews on the better Business Bureau BEFORE they actually do business with a place and its always afterwards that people talk about doing anything with them which doesn't do anything at all. It's a completely reactive approach which accomplishes nothing. Again, they have 0 power or Authority to do anything legally so it doesn't matter. They are essentially a worthless corporation or organization. Whichever way you want to look at it. They can't bring legal charges against somebody or shut a business down.
Wants to be the ONLY business, obviously
You should retitle this billionaire "robber barons" concerned over proposed National Monument!!!
Those people in the video are obviously not billionaires.
These mega monuments destroy small towns and turn them into seasonal tourist traps! Trust me, I am from one of the small Utah towns that a mega monument has ruined our economy. We now struggle to keep the population high enough to keep schools open. If the schools close the community will die, The only thing that is left are summertime restaurants and souvenir shops. We live off of the lands!
I really really hope that it becomes a national monument.
Preservation is the key. Protect it.
You can have the travelers and their money or you can have the mines. I would take the people.
I would take the mines
Ask that question to someone born in Moab
Don't want people coming to my slice of paradise, hoping for mining to return. Mmmmkay then.
The only constant in the world, universe, is change. We humans have one innate gift, we adapt. Sure we resist change, but we also know everything changes.
“Likes it the way it is” also want to allow mining.
...we love the land and want to save the land for future mining operations.
🤦🏾♀️ Such an oxymoron.
Let's do it right, and not blow it this time. Not another Glen Canyon.
"this is our land" - like six white people
....that doubtless live in town.
Wow you’re quite the racist. You need to learn how to look beyond a person’s skin color if you ever want to turn your life into something positive 😂
Those lands are already government maintained lands. The only difference is there's not a Pay Station with enormous parking lots full of tourists or a listing in your national parks guide advertising it. Stupid racist Fuk.
@@frankmorris4790
Chief NIMBY, Last of the Boomers.
Shut up turd person.
Yes protect it
The Dolores River is dammed at McPhee Reservoir near Cortez, Colorado to irrigate about 61,660 acres (24,950 ha) of arid plateau land. The dam and diversion canals are operated by the Bureau of Reclamation as the Dolores Project. In some years, almost all the water entering the reservoir is diverted, leaving only a small legally mandated minimum flow to pass downstream, as a result reducing the 150 mile (242 km) stretch between the dam and the confluence of the San Miguel River to a large creek.
The dam's construction allowed local farmers to extend the irrigation season through September, whereas natural river flows would have been insufficient by July or August. While the dam has reduced and sometimes completely halted spring peak flows in the lower Dolores, it provides supplemental flows in late summer (August through October) in the range of 75 cubic feet per second (2.1 m3/s), maintaining downstream fisheries. Before the dam was built, irrigators diverted nearly the entire river flow, leaving as little as 10 cubic feet per second (0.28 m3/s) to flow downstream.
Releases from McPhee Dam are a controversial topic. Currently, the Bureau of Reclamation operates McPhee on a "fill, then spill" policy, where the dam is filled first, and only in high water years when inflows exceed the reservoir capacity are larger flows released. This fact aggrieves recreational boaters, who claim it is difficult for anyone but a local resident closely watching the gauges to plan trips in advance on the river. The San Juan Citizens' Alliance has worked to start a dialogue between Dolores River stakeholders in the hopes of shifting release policy to one that allows for greater, planned releases.
Just get your water supply for the trip stocked up before the uranium spills in. I love that river and way back in the 90’s used to run it every May during the release. People still treated it like crap despite that beauty but part of the allure was the freedom to run it. I’d love to see it better protected but then we’d lose access.
We can’t pay our national debt now. The Government needs to quit spending money!
Gotta love how they believe all of that area is somehow theirs simply because they live near by. Sorry to inform you people that you don't own anything but the property you pay taxes on. Populations are always growing, cities are expanding, every year millions of more homes are needed for that ever growing population. They will eventually build up your po-dunk town at some point.
Hopefully we do what is best for the land.
Nah wont happen the US is a greedy capitalist 💩 whole(sic)
I saw drag it out for another twenty years while the area is bought up by investors. Then no one will have a choice
Isn’t public land already?
Yeah, I think they are talking about improvements, like trail and prepared camping sight with atv and mountain bike trails to attract more people.
@@armageddonready4071 they could do that without the designation. Just saying
@@armageddonready4071 this will be a payback to environmental donars of Biden’s
@@joesee8079 I agree no new designation is needed. It's highly regulated multiple use public land. Any activity outside the casual visitor requires a permit.
The locals claim the land belongs to them. We find the same insanity in Utah where off road groups want unfettered access to unspoiled lands. Those areas belong to the American people not just a few locals from some obscure small town.
Im 47 grew up in the Bay area of California. I moved to Utah in 2000, both places are nothing like when i 1st got there. Growth is inevitable.
The lady that runs the Bed n Breakfast relies on tourism for her business don't want more tourism?!?!
😂
That is 1 hell of a way to promote your business.
Come stay at my Bed and Breakfast, while saying we don't want your kind in our town.
She doesn't want enough tourism to support other similar ventures. Big fish in a small pond syndrome.
The land is the monument 100%. Leave the land natural as it originally is. Protect this land
“Protection” by a government doesn’t necessarily mean what people assume it does.
It's not land they own but the locals don't want "other people" to enjoy it. Sounds greedy and unneighborly to me.
Typical America. American citizens want to gatekeep America from everyone else. "I wanna move somewhere but nobody else can!"
I’m sure it’s all public land that anyone can use right now already. They want to make it a monument to lock out oil and gas exploration. This is what it all about.
No - they understand how Moab got destroyed by the “bucketlist dude bro “ losers and so now every small town is trying to avoid the same problem
Instead of growing a beard buying a van and trying to “just see everything m aaaaaaaaan”
How about instead of escapism, people forgive their mommy n daddy and accept that they have been lied to their entire lives and then go from there
You can grow a garden flowers learn how to build things and talk to women
You don’t need to be “on the road bro” like all of the hiveminded losers that don’t actually care about the wilderness - they only care about playing a role and pretending they have some meaningful life because of their resume of travels
Family
God
Relationships
Building things
Standing for something
Those give meaning
Not:
“Dude bruh I wanna see all 65 national parks in 4 minutes because I wanna FIT IN and do what everyone else is doing and I believe whatever people around me believe so my beliefs change relative to my surroundings because I have zero moral foundation cuz nobody gonna tell me how to live bro! I’m not a narcissist with unresolved familial issues maaaaaan…. Okay back to staring at my beard in the mirror!”
Just so you guys know why people oppose this, as soon as the government declares a new national monument here in CO, it is absolutely overran with visitors...
Do what will protect nature most. This little town should want that too. Be a partner w the National Parks to protect your lands for the long haul. Mining is not the way to keep the dying town sustainable. There will need to be regs, rules, and funding. Tourists will not act appropriately without rules and providing proper LE and services to the region.
First they need to remove about 75% of all that asphalt that makes Nucla look like an ugly parking lot.
you cant comprehend the level of ignorance in this area. biden = bad trump=good thats how there brain works. thats all this is.
NPS won’t help
They need an economy, and a park will not do that. Only thing that will do is raise expenses and provide zero revenue. You don't know what you don't know
@@thomasjgour4678 An economy based on what? Mining economies are transient and leave poverty and devastated landscapes in their wake.
Nose Marie is panicking because they won't be able to gossip about the new people coming to the area. She likes her small town gossip. Somebody needs to tell her there's an app for that!
I left Colorado 40 something years ago. I seen and enjoyed all the beautiful sites Colorado had to offer. I recently returned for a visit only to be horrified what Colorado has become. Casinos, Construction everywhere and overwhelmed with tourists.
I personally think the proposed monument should extend further than what they want. These lands need to be preserved. As for the communities affected by this, they will just have to learn to adopt to change and somehow use that to their advantage. As for the mining, well, that’s a tough one because mining has always been a part of Colorado’s history. It is kind of like moonshining, something that not only puts food on the table, but supports a large community of folks at the same time. I’ve never been a fan of huge mining operations, but I have always supported the smaller miners.
Amen.
Hey we want to preserve the land and prevent corrosive mining. No? The self entitlement is astounding.
Hey, you recent arrivals who call this area 'yours'. Pretty arrogant of you to whine about stolen land. Now you know how the indigenous people felt when you brought in all of your B&B's, stores, and attitudes.
Nieve to think giving govt control of land is beneficial. Mining provides jobs, logging provides jobs.
The federal govt has a problem with clearing dead brush leading to massive fires.
It is a worthy debate, with good reasoning on both sides. HOWEVER, people might want to talk to citizens of other countries whose land is owned by the government. If the government owns the land, then they control it. And if they own it all, then where are you going to live?
This is just another effort to prevent the public from using their public lands. I live next to the Ironwood Nat'l Monument. When it was created, all the gov't did was close all the dirt roads save one, and add "vehicle travel prohibited" signs. No visiror center. No hiking trails. No ranger giving nature talks. Before, the cops had to have probable cause to search you. Now, just your being there is probable cause for a search. Oh, and the old mission ruins that the gov't claimed needed protection and was the main reason for creating the monument isn't even contained within the monument. It's on private property next to it.
Why do you need a visitor center if you already live there? Also: It's an effort to prevent *Big Corporations* and *Real Estate Developers* from destroying public lands. The public is ALWAYS allowed on public lands unless belligerent politicians are shutting down the government again.
@headlessspaceman5681 the visitor center I mentioned is common infrastructure in all true national monuments, but not this one. This is the Arizona desert, not southern California. There's no water here. You can't drill a well because the aquifer is the water reservoir for the city of Tucson who owns the water rights for this whole region. Who is stupid enough to buy land from a developer that has no water? What corporation wants this land when it has no water? We used to be able to use the dozens of 4-wheel drive roads out there. Now we can't. Sure you can use the land if you want to walk for many miles without any water. Who's gonna do that? Only people who want to leave their bones bleaching in the 115 degree desert sun. The other side of this land is a hundred miles of the Tohono O'odham reservation that extends all the way down into Mexico. That land is closed to everyone except tribal members. Even the gov't can't go on their lands. The gov't claims this land is a major drug and people smuggling route. I've been out there many times over the years before they made it a nat'l monument and have never seen either. The only reason they made it a national monument is so they can get around the constitutional protection against illegal searches and seizures, so they can search anyone they want out there without getting sued for big money. You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to this area.
The lands are beautiful despite the people there and their immense selfish ignorance
Just leave it be
Leave the government out of!
You uabe to be careful, here in idaho they have been turning seasonal ponds into bird sacntuaries, then blocking them off to access. They touted how we need to protect these places. Once its a monument, everything is out the window. I agree, this is by design of an enviromentalist inside.
That lady is a busy body.
How can you say you want to protect the lands AND bring back uranium mining?
Did I miss all of the antiquities which the monument will protect?
I took a 4-5 day raft trip down this beautiful river in the 1980's. It was my favorite vacation ever. Stunning and peaceful, not many people back then.
less government ....anything regulated or controlled by our government is a disaster. Greed will destroy the area just like everywhere else and if the gov has no funding you get left out not able to enjoy what was once free and open to all ...all the time besides i wouldn't want a stampede of strangers roaming in my back yard.... others pushing others to have what someone else has is bs
i left this area 4 years ago because the locals are rude crazy and hateful. very racist and violent. this includes the police. i moved back to the ozarks after 12+ years in colorado. these are the same people that dump used oil on the ground and went door to door to try and get a refugee family thrown out of town for no reason other than color of there skin. im glad there going to make it a national monument its an amazing place that should be protected. theres no place more beautiful than western colorados high mountain desert.
i agree ! leave it alone !!
Designating this area as a National Monument, which will be larger than 2/3rds of all our National Parks, is an end run by the Executive branch around Congress. The law which granted the authority to designated national monuments was never intended to be used in this manner. If we all believe that we want to create a 400,000 acre National Park, then it needs to be done through Congress.
It would never happen by Congress. Presidents have r the power to designate national
Monuments. Biden should designate this a National Monument. We need to stop gutting the earth for wealthy mining companies that don’t clean up their mess once minerals are depleted. The taxpayers have to pay for that.
The Antiquities Act of 1906 was passed by Congress and empowers the Executive to create National Monuments so how is that an end run around Congress? It is not. This is a silly argument but people like to say silly things.
@@headlessspaceman5681 The Congress of 1906 didn't envision the Act to be used to create "Monuments" that are have the size and scope of National Parks. For the first 30 years of the Act the average size was less than 10,000 acres per monument.
Presidents (of both parties) started using the act in the 60s to set aside vast regions when Congress wouldn't authorize either National Park or Wilderness Status.
I would much rather have Congress make any determination thru law, as a future President can just as easily remove or reduce a monuments size as easily as they established it.
Screw it let’s just give it back to the utes
The past users of this land who are no longer with us are not capable of accepting. Stop spreading nonsense.
@@fredeschen3783 yep the Utes are no longer with us and incapable of accepting. Bless your heart.
@@fredeschen3783so your saying the Ute tribe no longer exists and is not capable of reclaiming their ancestral homelands? Bless your heart darling.
@@ian_davidson every one’s ancestors have lost land. We can’t shuffle everything back the way it was. Indians suffered greatly from the Cherokees brutal attacks and pillaging/torture. Maybe they should pay some reparations. Maybe I should get reparations for what Germans did to my grandmother. So no. Let’s not “give”land to the descendants.
@@fredeschen3783 so now were talking reparations? So as I understand you, no one is deserving of reparations? If you take the context of my original comment the returning of the land to the Utes is satirical towards the proposed monument. Satire based on the fact that current occupants have not protected the land and have merely extracted resources, created toxic environments and generally been bad stewards of the land. Thus leading me to comment that we should give it back to the Utes because at least they won’t continue to rape the land. I agree the settler colonial forefathers of America perpetrated uncountable atrocities towards many nations and cultures and reparations would be an unimaginable undertaking. But that doesn’t give you a pass to continue in their footsteps. The argument of the “locals” in the area is they have been there longer than anyone trying to make changes so they are trying to pull the old first in use first in right card. But they lack the foresight to realize there were people there long before them and for a much longer time than they have occupied it. Obviously I know the American Government will never budge an inch without profit motive. suggesting they voluntarily give up lands for the betterment of said lands will never happen and my satirical comment won’t change anything except raising some people blood pressure.
I'm amazed. I've never seen this area. It is beautiful.
Once an area gets monument status the rights of most user groups that are ACTUALLY out in the hills, hunting, fishing, dirt biking, wheeling, etc are most affected. The out of state tourists walking on the paved interpretive trail’s won’t know the difference. There is a massive road closure effort happening throughout the west right. It’s a land grab with the intent to restrict access. @blueribboncoalition
So you just want to keep trashing public lands because you're not allowed to do any of these things on private land, like your billionaire neighbors' land is not open to the public, for example. You're saying you have a right to trash it.
Lot of talk about the problems but didn’t show any video of it? Looked peaceful to me. You want the public to agree to shut down the land then show how it’s being misused.
You do not need more tourists!!!!!!
No s*** sincerely Wyoming °~•.☆.•~°
Preserve nature by building a visitor center and a giant parking lot.
And increasing people to the area to leave their litter everywhere
KEEP FIGHTING GOVT OVERREACH!!
The problem is that hunting will be banned automatically and the wildlife population will get out of control. We’ve seen elk herds take over towns, cougars hunting children in city parks and bears devastating just about anything and everything. You can protect it without making it a monument. It’s already federal land. Pass limits on new mining claims and development. This can be done by regulation not legislation.
Whatever your opinion, you are incorrect that hunting will be banned automatically. Hunting is still allowed in Bears Ears national Monument and Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument, both nearby. Furthermore, your story about elk, cougars, and bears "taking over" is awesome and I wish that was really happening, but also maybe that's caused by too many hunters chasing the animals out of the woods. Bears make America Great.
Protected means more government control which it doesn't need. It translates to more taxes.
It will either be tourists or billionaires. Everyone wants the benefits of modern culture, but think they shouldn't have to pay anything for it.
Such a beautiful area!
Utah has been dealing with Federal land grab for years. Welcome to the club.😢
Utah's federal lands were/are an original condition of Utah statehood, it's in the law, it's on the books, it's been that way for about 130 years old. Not a land grab. A land grab or theft is what happened when the Mormons etc stole all this land from the Ute and the Shoshone and the Navajo and the Paiute.
Push back
Another waste of the tax payer money...
Don't these people realize change happens. The thing to do is get involved in managing to change. National monument protects the area, to keep it in better shape than turning it over to Private industry.
You own prooerty not the town or region
Leave it to the people that live there to vote after community forums are held. Let them decide whether or not to forward a proposal.
Take away a towns industry and they should be happy. Mining is the reason most of these towns are here . People move there and want to change it. Stay were you came from
There is never any water allocated to this river anyway .. a shame
You protect it now , and set limits on mining , cattle ranches , water usage , poluttion and tourism or later you will hope to correct it . More people more waste products and water usage , nothing is limitless ! Control it now , while you can for the future .
The problem with national parks and protected areas is that the people who already live there are often precluded from doing what they already do there , ie hunting fishing off-roading etc just so tourists can come see the pretty new park for three months a year!
the point of national monuments is not to create parks for tourists.
@@frankmacleod2565The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
@@jaredbaratono897 oh, so you don't ever do anything good for anyone? Wow that's sad
@@jaredbaratono897 you must be one of those people who spits on homeless people and robs little old ladies
@@jaredbaratono897 you must be upset by the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and all our other great National Parks and monuments. Should we clear-cut Redwood National Park, and flood the Grand Canyon? The southwest needs more water storage, maybe it's time to dam that canyon. We could also dam Zion, Bryce and all the other big national park canyons.
It's hilarious that the ones complaining about the mines are the ones wanting electric cars. So you're ok with lithium mines? The world is filled with offended ignorance, hypocritally telling others how it is supposed to be.