How Thomas Made Dynamic Characters - Springtime for Diesel
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- *THIS VIDEO IS A RE-UPLOAD OF THE ORIGINAL posted on November 9, 2020.
Thomas the Tank Engine's characters are wonderful. This is just one episode of many that proves how well-rounded they can be.
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/0:00 What Do You Dream About? ♫: Hello Meteor
It was a bold move to have Daisy not forgive Diesel for what he did
Her springs are very important to her. It'd be weird for her to forgive easily somebody breaking them.
If you humanize her for a second, she basically had to have a hip replacement surgery.
(As Shaggy) Like, that's a twist.
considering the fact that she was on the verge of having to be put down thanks to diesel I’d say it’s very reasonable not to forgive him straight away.
What would have happened if Daisy forgave Diesel? It maybe wouldn't have been bold.
Diesel was almost responsible for Daisy’s death
I wish they did more with this side of Diesel (haven’t seen “The Big Freeze”, but from what I’ve read, sounds like it’s consistent with this episode). Heck, it makes me want to come up with an RWS-style “book” of stories focusing on his return to Sodor and his gradual transition from scheming bully into someone humbler, someone wiser.
We’d start with a story reestablishing him that leaves him gobsmacked by how chummy Sodor’s steam engines are with diesels now, then transition into “A Most Singular Engine” and “Springtime For Diesel”, and then a story in which Diesel and Duck interact for the first time since “Dirty Work” and Diesel demonstrates how much he’s grown while Duck is understandably suspicious of Diesel suddenly wanting to make things right between the two of them.
I love that idea and you can have Paxton be the one to help get Duck and Diesel on speaking terms
Diesel and Duck interact in Diesel Does It Again in Series 3. Also, they need to and would have interact and continues their rivalry throughout Series 17-20 in episodes CGI style first.
That fact that daisy didn’t forgive him caught me really off guard
I've said it about characters in _The Owl House_ and _Amphibia,_ and I'll say it here. I love that Diesel isn't easily forgiven. Forgiveness takes time to rebuild trust, and I wish more shows would teach kids this. I think this episode was supposed to air right after "A Most Singular Engine" instead of right before it, and it would have been a little story arc like the ones in the early model seasons. I wish it turned out that way so this episode would mean more.
I woud agree, because the writers of the show can get what I presumed as, Muddled.
"Springtime for Diesel" should air after "A Most Singular Engine" so that the show can show how much the characters have grown over the years.
In my opinion what you say about The Owl House and Amphibia, I can agree and I think Diesel is related to Hunter aka "The Golden Guard and Sasha Waybright, as they are both bad influences but soon learn what the wrongs they've commited and break out of they're shells and join the good sides.
Personally I do like the episodes being out of order but not explicitly stated for the idea that either Diesel does work on himself for the better, or the idea that maybe some people can’t change, obviously we know but for the general audience, it can be up to their opinions
While they never interacted in the books and TV Series, true - but Diesel and Daisy have interacted before in only the Thomas Marvel Comics that Andrew Brenner had originally written.
Does that mean Thomas can be part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe? =P
@@NitroIndigo unlikely, but it would be cool.
I do agree. This SHOULD'VE been the last time we saw Diesel, Ever. Not even All Engines Go
Good it should have been
One of my favorite thing about Thomas and friends are the dynamics
Slowly rewatching & liking the old videos. Stay strong Nick!
I love how Daisy doesn’t forgive Diesel for what he did. The only other form of media that does this that I can think of is Bojack Horseman.
Even then, the two are different enough to elicit unique takeaways:
Herb tried and failed to create a interconnected family unit through Horsin, and BoJack’s ghosting him after his plea and firing created a suicidally isolating existence. He feels that pain is the only real tie they have left, and it’s even one he hounds BoJack for after seeing him holding the telescope and tackles him.
Daisy is required to keep working with Diesel regardless of her desires, so she weighs her disapproval with the sincerity and petulance he’s conveyed to her and gives him a resolve to commit to.
I love the episode and this video so much. The episode surprised me with its maturity when I first watched it and I really liked it and I still do. Pity the next episode and following seasons completely undid his development but I like to believe this came after “A Most Singular Engine”. Great video about a Great Episode
Pity David Brennan keeps trying to convert us to believing that Diesel’s better off not learning anything because he’s too immature to handle other peoples opinions.
You do realise that both Megamind and Gru started out as villains because society rejected them and made them choose to be evil, similar to the joker. But as their respective movies go on, they both gain a new perspective in life thanks to Roxanne and the 3 girls respectively and later learn that it’s better to be good than bad, so they end up choosing to redeem themselves and save the world. Megamind made Titan because he wanted a hero to fight again after he thought he killed Metro Man and Titan only became evil because he fancied Roxanne and she didn’t fancy him back.
You can’t just be evil forever just because society seems you as such, who you are is who you choose to be. What’s wrong with Diesel and Diesel 10 experiencing what Megamind and Gru went through?
@@joshuaW5621 Except that Tighten lusted after Roxanne which is creepy to her and you might want to tell that to other villains who remained evil in the end in most media like Disney and they choose that as who they are. Diesel and Diesel 10 are different from Gru and Megamind with their characters so leave them out of it please. As for DC Animated Universe, Joker is always bad because he became the Clown Prince of Crime and was never tragic due to his crimes of murder and sadistic. Also in Rise of Gru, Gru wants to be a supervillain due to be a big fan of it and not because of society despite his mother not impressed so wrong-o. Remove your replies from my comments at once please.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 tell you what. If you apologise for acting so cocky and entitled and agree that some people are going to disagree with your opinions, I might think about removing them. Deal?
@@joshuaW5621 Then tell me how am I going to explain my opinions properly? I could try to say "well, your loss" or "it's just my opinion" if they disagree. I did say no offense many times. Hard to find someone who agrees with me.
My biggest gripe with the CGI series as a WHOLE is the inconsistencies with EVERYONE'S character's, as even in the GOOD seasons, their personalities flip flop CONSTANTLY!
At least their main traits stayed with them as we like them that way and wouldn't want that to be removed by development.
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I think a very singular engine was before spring time for diesel because almost the hole 21th season was changed
I like the fact that this episode finally changes Diesel behaviour from a showoff to an actual understanding character that playing tricks can't solve everything
I think a redeemed Diesel would be that sarcastic friend who would put you down if you f*ck up but would be ready to defend you with all he's got. Picture Dorothy from the Golden Girls. Imagine Diesel using his scheming side to actually help the other engines.
I'm still currently storming Mattel and RUclips headquarters
Diesel wouldn’t stay like this for long unfortunately
All thanks to that selfish prick called David whose attacking the comments section.
Blame Diesel Glows Away for that. It’s trash.
@@thomasspongeconductor2222 Rosie is Red has him resuming being devious.
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Oh….
That episode is….less bad. Slightly less bad.
@@thomasspongeconductor2222 Because of Thomas and Rosie being teased about being special friends on Valentine's Day? Diesel only appears in one scene of it.
Of course, Singular should’ve aired before Springtime! Well, everyone’s said it at this point.
And, Daisy’s Perfect Christmas probably should take place between Singular and Springtime.
This train show seems kinda neat.
I was crying when diesel poured his heart out to daisy.
I think it's pretty safe to say Springtime is set after A Most Singular Engine. The release order of S21 (and previous seasons) is a bit all over the place. Another glaring issue is Edward permanently leaving Tidmouth Sheds in one episode, only for him to be back there in the very next one.
I really wish A Most Singular Engine was before Springtime For Diesel. It would’ve been much better. Also I can see something similar to this happen to Rebecca and Diesel 10, it would’ve been good for character development
Sometimes I wonder if What Rebecca Does has inspires people too much. Rebecca would have to take Diesel 10's villainy seriously regardless of being nice when encountering him like she did to Baz and Bernie.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 yeah I mean Diesel 10 could be a real challenge to befriend.
@@traintrack3761 And impossible on account of hatred toward steam engines and evilness. Rebecca has let her talent of seeing the best in everyone make her a bit naïve at times like being tricked by Diesel into doing other diesels' jobs badly. No offense to you though.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 none taken. It has great story potential.
@@traintrack3761 At least you understand that if Rebecca encounters Diesel 10 in the show, she would see how evil he is and takes him more seriously instead and learn not to let her kindness get in the way of that again.
If Davey Moore created another episode around Diesel and Daisy, it would feature Diesel manipulating Daisy by playing on her snobbish trait, not out of annoyance mind you but just for the hell of it and enjoyment. One of those "irredeemable" moments like No More Mr Nice Engine and Percy and the Calliope if you will. You might be unsure about this episode idea but it would be nice to see that just for fun, that's all.
Diesel and Daisy make an good pair tbh.
I'd love to see the Day when Diesel gets a Sodor Finest Video. I'm pretty sure this episode would be a hot topic in that.
This is one of my favorite Brenner series. but he finds some small insignificant details and extols it even more, as if Thomas is not a cartoon but a spectacle given by God
Thx u also I think I know u from discord
Deisel Really Is A Cool Villan Character 😊
He’s not in my eyes
@@samsea0489 OK What's Your Reason?
@@alicehodges9964 Diesel isn’t a villain or an antagonist because a villain has to have a strong motive on why are evil, a clear goal and having fear of the consequences. They are also smart when they know when it is the right time to maliciously come up with a plan. And most importantly, they are not entirely evil due to their motives. Now you might think his Diesel’s goal is too get revenge on Duck but that’s not the case because after Season 3, Duck and Diesel never interacted again and all of a sudden Diesel hates mainly Thomas and the other steam locomotives from S8-S24 or you might think Diesel’s other goal to prove that diesel locomotives are more superior to steam locomotives that’s now out of the question due to him bumping Daisy at a station causing her parts to be damaged, taking Mavis for a joyride and trying to get her into trouble in the episode Thomas and Quarry Engine and treating Paxton like shit who is also the the same class as Diesel( In a way, Diesel is a terrible brother) so really Diesel doesn’t have a goal anymore. Furthermore, l don’t think Diesel is afraid of any consequences because every time the Fat Controller sends Diesel away after that The Fat Controller brings Diesel back because “hE’s tHE oNlY eNGiNe aVaLIable” and heck the reason why Diesel is a permanent member on Sodor now is because he nearly sent Fergus to be scrapped in a Smelter’s Yard like come on. Diesel nowadays plays a trick at any engine any time he wants never doing at the right time and and every engine that has been a victim always know it’s him. In conclusion, Diesel imo is not a villain. He is just a one dimensional idiotic jerk just for the sake of being a jerk.
I'd love to see you do a sodors finest, or infamous for a diesel episode
I strongly recommend you block David Brennan. He hates the idea of characters being developed and doesn’t respect opinions.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 I think he would be annoyed by you annoying people insisting your opinions onto them. And do you have any proof that he appreciates you? Cause I can’t see him appreciating you annoying everybody.
@@joshuaW5621 What about me thumbing up his videos and saying how great his videos are? Also, through Sodor's Finest, I really understand his point about Toby's true character not shining much in the Brenner era and that his chaotic neutral side should return to CGI. Also, it's appreciating me liking his videos, not everybody so kept that in mind please.
Usually I see you do is rant about how right you are (which you aren’t) and attack people who don’t agree with your opinion. And stop deleting your comments after I reply to them. People will still know you commented.
@@joshuaW5621 If you stop replying to them in return. Also, people give my comments a few thumbs up which shows they agree with me on things if you noticed.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 most of the thumbs up are probably from you.
10:10 foreshadowing?
Fan-fiction has produced many great stories depicting Diesel having some form of redemption arc. Better than this one.
NWR1991 and LWP are 2 channels who did one.
Don’t forget WildNorwester and T1E2H3
@@samsea0489 didn't forget them because didn't know of them (and until I watch their stories I can't say how good they are - will have to take your word for it until I do.)
Springtime for Diesel would be better if friendship and redemption hope are not included in this episode, just Diesel apologizing to Daisy and tries to never bump her again to ensure that it never happen a second time despite remaining devious. That would be much more perfect. 'Arry, Bert and Diesel 10 are Diesel's only friends since their personalities align with his own when it comes to disliking steam engines and being devious as well as that fact that he doesn't get along with diesels who are friendlier to steam engines like Paxton and Mavis and that includes Daisy too which Davey Moore should be aware of and contend with it instead and should know better. I hope you understand that and if you want to stick to your thoughts, that's OK. Just you understanding my thoughts would be good enough for me.
Maybe if you understood what people were saying and why they disagree with your point, we wouldn’t be so tired of your obliviousness and immaturity.
I really wish this episode and a most singular engine switch places
CGI Diesel is literally just Tyler from Turning Red, only he never grows and is more annoying. Most of the time anyway.
Agreed
1:25 I agree they made Diesel so annoying in the CGI series, gone was the slimy scheming scouser who smiled at your face while stabbing you in the back present in the books and model series. They gave him this stupid cockney urchin voice, I think they were going for vibes like the Artful Dodger but it just doesn't suit him at all.
At least his devious trait remains in CGI that's for sure. As for the stuff he does, if they're antagonistic for him as an antagonist like causing trouble and playing tricks which suits him as well in my opinion, I'm all for it. Though I suppose that the "slimy scheming scouser who smiled at your face while stabbing you in the back" should be expressed more in CGI often and perhaps bumping into engines need to be reduced a bit so fair point on it a bit. If you don't think so on what I said, that's fine. I only hope that you understand where I'm coming from regardless.