I Bought An ABANDONED TVR CERBERA!! BARN FIND!! RESTORATION PROJECT!!
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In today's video I bought myself a mental barn find, restoration project, TVR Cerbera, this car has sat in a barn for over 10 years and is going to require a lot of love to get it back to its former glory! This is going to be an interesting long term series at the very least!
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Chassis could be the big issue, well known for rot! Keep the colour combo, the green & cream is nice!
Definitely new chassis incoming!
I’d say it’s will, not could!
Call Edd China , he will have a laugh
Was going to say this exact thing. Need to remove the body to examine it properly
Come here to comment the same thing my friend had one had to do the chassis
Beautiful car, lovely colour, keep as is.
Check out wheeler dealer’s they did a Cerbera, they removed the body from the chassis, made life a lot easier? Good luck 🤞
Well cus they changed the chassis
That’s a brave purchase! Definitely going to watch this. I love the Cerb.
Personally I love the colour combo, keep it like that.
Agreed, I'm a TVR owner, they're all a labour of love... and cash for maintenance but worth every penny. :)
Wheeler Dealers restored one some years back, I think that was an AJP engined car which needed a new chassis. I love the Peter Wheeler era cars, so unique and have aged so well. Looking forward to seeing this develop.
I heard they tried to get a chassis for free, might have been from RT racing in Sheffield (not 100% sure on this) When they couldn't, they filmed it being powder coated instead of giving them a plug on TV.
probably rotten underneath!!!!
Seen that episode and they changed the chassis. Apparently they where not properly treated with anti rust. Well worth a look as he completely disassembled the car
The colour combo gets a 👍 from me! As others have mentioned, the chassis frame is prone to serious corrosion - remember Wheeler Dealers example....
Basically scoffold tubes that weren't rust treated lol
Soon as you mentioned the video clip I knew exactly what was coming 😄
‘Woooah look at that TVR!!’…..classic
The outriggers rot first quickly followed by the rest of the space frame because it was n't properly powdercoated in the first place and next is the electrics. Dean I wish you all the best with the car it certainly ain't gonna be dull with this one.
Awesome! This will make a fantastic change to the VAG stuff. Good luck!
Wasn’t expecting that - greetings from Germany. What they didn’t say after the top gear but was that it then immediately broke down 😂😂
Deep purple looks amazing on the cerbra
I'd go for a mallard green like that used on the MG-Bs, it's basically the original British Racing Green colour, it's much deeper, richer and I think it will really set the design alright!
Had that Meta alarm/immobiliser system on my Mk2 Golf, really good system. Button fob did the central locking and removed the alarm. The USB type thing does the immobiliser and you get something like 20 seconds to start the car once you have pushed the stick into the slot, after 20 seconds (ish) the immobiliser is reapplied.
That engine was developed by TVR in-house so not used in any other car (other TVR’s aside).
Great project and looking forward to seeing it come along. I always (still do) wanted a Griff 500.
meta vv2 alarm system indeed
You might be a bit disappointed on the 'parts-bin' front, a lot of the Cerbera was bespoke unlike the earlier Griffith and Chimaera. I've got a 2002 Cerbera Speed Six, give me a shout if you fancy experiencing a fully sorted one- you'll realise then that the labour of love is well worth it as they're absolutely stonking cars! Oh and the hazard switch is on the end of the indicator stalk 😁
Sounds like fun Mike. How is your TVR reliability wise? I’m in a position financially where I can finally afford a Cerbera but I’m hearing stories about mechanical issues. What’s the biggest issue with them any particular production year too avoid? Thanks.
@@matty6848 mine has been pretty good, honestly most of the mechanical issues are just 'old car' problems at this point, perished rubbers and the like, the sort of thing that needs keeping on top of on any 20 plus year old car- the only running issue I've ever had was a failed expansion cap causing it to dump all it's water- and that's a VW sourced cap! It took me a while to reassure myself that the engine wasn't made of glass, but once you have confidence in it they're a pretty sturdy thing- my Speed Six has been rebuilt though which is important, I'm not sure I'd feel so confident in one that hadn't been unless it was a very late car. TVR did seem to have it cracked towards the end of their life, just look at all the Sagaris' and Mk2 Tuscans running around with the Speed Six happily unrebuilt. The reputation had long since been set in stone by then though. I can't really speak for the AJP (the V8 engine) other than to say that it was a racing engine before it was ever a road car engine and did its testing in the most gruelling environment, they do seem to be pretty reliable but the small journal crankshafts were causing issues in the Cerb's early days, to be honest I think any of those that were going to go pop have done so by now. I wouldn't be too worried about the reliability of an AJP, but I would be VERY worried about parts supply if anything major did go wrong. I'd make sure I had some sort of loose plan to source all the NLA bits, then cross everything that I'd never need to rely on it. At least with the Speed Six you have the warm fuzzy feeling of having huge aftermarket support and parts availability should the worst happen, that's what swung it for me.
I have experienced electrical gremlins, there is usually a simple reason but the Cerb is a lot more complicated than earlier TVRs in terms of its electronics and where with my Chimaera I'd whip out my multimeter and find the problem in 10 minutes the Cerb is a lot more tricky- it's daft stuff like the door and window control systems and the steering wheel controls and their associated ribbon cabling, nothing that will leave you stranded though as the 'running' electrics seem to be pretty resilient. I'm not a very accomplished mechanic and I find it a bit intimidating to work on my Cerb, as opposed to my Chim which I was happy to fettle everything on. Though a lot of that is also to do with the quality of finish as the Cerb is much better screwed together, you could have given my old Chimaera to a loosely trained monkey to pull apart and put back together and the end result wouldn't have been all that different to how it left the factory. They really upped their game with the Cerbera. I personally have noticed a huge difference in quality between earlier and later cars too, generally the later the car the better put together. The interior is a huge part of the Cerbera experience for me but in typical TVR fashion there are rough edges and on a worse one it can really take the shine off, I don't think any of them qualify as perfect but the later the car generally the closer it was to perfect when it left Blackpool.
The chassis issues are well documented and a major one to look out for, a lot of cars have their problems hidden away under fresh paint or layers of undercoat so it's worth getting a proper nosey at the chassis and particularly the outriggers when buying. As an example my 2002 Cerb is still solid on its original chassis but it's not unknown for them to be well on their way out at that age.
It's also worth noting that at this point in time they've all had 'a life', some have been absolutely cossetted and some have been neglected- luckily they've such an enthusiastic following that the former generally outweighs the latter. Service history from a specialist such as Str8Six, Powers Performance etc. speaks volumes about the kind of care they've had- these aren't just scaffolding tubes with Rover V8s plonked into them any more, they're far more bespoke and the specialists are specialists for a reason, they know these things inside out. I'd also have a lot more confidence in a Cerb that has been well used and regularly exercised, like most mechanical items sitting around being polished doesn't do them any good- when buying you'll probably come across staggeringly low mileages and maybe that's great for a collector or a museum but if you intend to actually use and rely on the thing I'd be running a mile from anything that's done 10 miles a year, a lot of use tells you that the previous owner had confidence in the car and intended to keep it running, not stationary.
Ultimately- they're generally pretty reliable, but they're not a Ford Focus and they will test your patience sometimes! Awesome cars though and a truly unique experience.
@@matty6848 Mine was pretty good also. It broke down on the way home from buying it actually, then again straight after fixing it - clutch slave cylinder followed shortly after by master cylinder. I had it a few years and did a fair number of miles actually. It was the kind of car that always had some niggle I wanted to sort out but actually always started and finished the journey (aforementioned clutch hydraulics failures aside). If you have tools, inclination and aren't useless with your hands and brain they're very simple cars and not that expensive to own although some specific parts are expensive. A few jobs are awkward but not much needs expert levels of skill. If on the other hand you're the kind of person who needs to pay someone to replace a door handle at home then the Cerbera like most high performance cars will bleed you dry. They're more reliable than say 1980s/1990s Italian exotica, but the difference is that people paying the money for Ferraris and Lamborghinis aren't expecting to run the car on a Ford Mondeo budget, which has always been the true source of the horror stories around TVRs. They were cheap to buy, but still came with high performance ongoing needs.
@@jamieduff1981 thanks Jamie. Well I’m a engineer by trade so used too figuring mechanical problems out for myself and obviously have a garage full of tools, so naturally I’ll have a go myself first. Sod paying a mechanic money for a job I can do myself. Plus when you get working on them you soon learn a lot about your own car usually from trial and error. What prices are you looking at for a decent condition Cerbera 2002ish year? I’ve always wanted a TVR but couldn’t even afford too get insurance on one, now I’m 45 have some capital behind me I’m seriously thinking about taking the plunge. My money isn’t doing anything sitting in the bank, plus I’ll put a little aside each month for not if but when something goes wrong. I’ve been told on TVR forums always have a nest egg saved up for parts, because at some point something will go wrong, even on the really good example TVRs. It’s the nature of the cars.
Avoid speed 6 engine .....absolutely crap
Green is eye popping when clean great combo good luck
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Good luck mate, I did the same restoration with a 4.2 about 7 years ago, although with the help of a good specialist. What a car when done, and get on pistonheads forums for the parts and expertise. I would say it’s a straight forward technology so don’t worry.
What a car and what a lovely colour combo; British car in British racing green with that lovely cream leather interior.
All the best with it 👍🏻
First thing to do is get it in the air, tubular chassis is a major tin worm issue, but the whole body can be lifted off in one piece, good luck buddy will be a stunner when she's done!
The green is what gives it British look, I like it, wouldn't change it. I would keep it as original as possible. Great project, I want one to fix up now. 🙂Have A Nice Day !! I know I will !!!
Always loved these and sat in one when they first came out then drove one a few years later. Couldn’t afford one then. Very special car. It will be a labour of love (and maybe hate) but they’re rare now and have an analogue rawness that is hard to find these days. Good luck!
That is such a sharp exotic ride. The body reminds me of my 99Jaguar XK8 coupe. The interior of that TVR is majestic.
I had the 4.2 in the same British racing green. The sound was fantastic. I put Gaz gold suspension, the Tuscan headlight upgrade, the 19inch spider alloys. It's worth getting the entire body off and get the chassis refurbished, I got it done for just shy of 2k.
My brother in law bought a new 4.5 in 1999 at the cost of 50k or thereabouts as I recall. It was stunning and to this day it's the most amazing sounding car I've ever heard. It unsurprisingly drew crowds wherever he parked up. It was amazing.
Sadly, as has been eluded to already in these comments , owning one was an absolute nightmare and in the 3 or 4 years or so he had it , it undoubtedly spent more time back in the garage than it did on the road.. something was constantly going wrong with it.
So, I wish you the very best of luck!
It's still one of my all time favourites, just wish I'd taken up one of the many offers to drive it (I refused as I wouldn't have been insured).
I'm glued to this already. Fabulous car.
So good to see the TVR back on my screen - Thank you
Awesome car pal, keep the colour combo, just put the bigger wheels on. The usb/fob is an alarm/immobiliser, fob arms/disarms and usb lets you start it, get rid, I had one and the fob will break after time. Good luck
Brilliant project, I love the colour combo. Looking forward to seeing things unfold. Top choice.
You shouldn't of shown the secret way of opening the Cerbera from the boot
I love that green! And the interior is really nice with the green.
Oh I'm excited for this one, I might be a little older than you but I remember the childhood feeling as well, seeing them I remember the later ones in the two tone paint aswell, they were incredible when you used to see and hear them.
First item on the shopping list has to be a fire extinguisher! Good luck with this one.
Very nice! I fondly remember a drag race years ago (on TV, possibly in a Clarkson video) where this annihilated the field (including a 993 Turbo). Awesome car!
Didn't watch it then?
A superb project and I love the colour combo. Looking forward to seeing the project progress
Green looks great 👍
B.R.G with cream leather is gorgeous. Keep it that way. Cool project:)
It is gorgeous Dan, i really like the colour combination. Restoring the interior will be easy in comparison off getting it running i think
Very cool ! Keep it the way it is with the colour combo for sure
Good luck looking forward to seeing the next episode now
So glad I found your channel. Loved driving these in Gran Tourismo! Can’t wait to see it!
Loving this! Keep the colour combo, it'll look gorgeous once it's sorted. Always liked TVRs, never been brave enough to buy one. Good luck fella..!
Definitely needs a colour change. And if you have a problem with the door mirrors, look for Volkswagen Corrado mirrors. These are fitted to the TVR Cerbera 👍🏽
There is nothing wrong with the color, it compliments the interior. It is a beautiful car. Smart design. I've always loved the TVR's designs.
Very slender tubular frame chassis are known to rot & werent galvanised. TVR propriety engine seems to be quite a good unit. Colour combo is great - especially when it’s all sparkly again! Keep it all OEM! Good luck..
I remember that race on top gear! It was like 2 fingers up to the big manufacturers 🤣
BTW, love that colour combo.
Being that its an iconic British car,it has to be British racing green.
Just needs to be laid down perfectly with a glossy clear coat!
Love the channel,can't wait to hear it running
Looks like a Laserline alarm fob & immobiliser fobs. Look for a touch pad/socket 😊 Good luck!
Brilliant project, test drove a 4.5 about 20 years ago... Scared me stupid... Wish I'd bought it... Tuscan always my dream car... Looking forward to the first steps
Excited by this!!! Iconic car... Interior design still looks fantastic... Colour combo is great... Nice project
Looks like you have an aftermarket alarm /immobiliser. Get a battery in the fob disarm and use the fob in the bit, think it was under the dash on the side of the ignition barrel
Gunmetal grey with the cream interior for me. They use to say green cars were unlucky because if you live in the countryside they blend in with the hedgerows, but with a TVR I think you'd hear it before you saw it.
Hi mate, I had a 4.5 back in the day. FYI - the ignition button is on the roundish fob. Press this once to bring car into ignition on status. Then plug the USB looking thing (immobiliser) into the slot fitted into the right lower steering column shroud. You'll hear a beep, you now have 30 seconds to push the starter button before the immobiliser re-arms. The square fob on the key ring is an aftermarket alarm - I'd ditch that shit.
Serious car, axle-tramp in first 3 gears if you drive it hard - crazy fast.
Definitely keep it green and get the larger alloys
Looks like you'll be acquiring some new skills, like welding. That bonnet hinge is just some threaded tube, some steel plate and some kind of rose joint. Should be fun mate 😊
I take it you know about the chassis issues on these. They are prone to the factory powdercoat lifting and it corrodes underneath. Its a body off job to repair or replace. Fingers crossed its ok. I think Edd did one on Wheeler Dealers a few years back. Who cares if it needs some work, It looks epic mate, you lucky boy!!
I just had to look, I thought I'd seen one done before. I fear Dean my need Ed's vids for this project!
The usb looking fobs I’m pretty sure we’re a immobiliser look for a black disc with a usb type slot. Insert the fob then have so long to start the engine. Had one on a 95 Astra I owned. Looking forward to this build👍👍👍
Extremely brave choice. There's actually a speed six near me that's sat in a barn for over ten years, along with a Maserati Kyalami RHD. The thing putting me off is the guaranteed engine rebuild and new chassis.
I'll be following this Cerbera project. Well done on the purchase and good luck.
It reminds me of when I bought my 4.3L RV8 Chimaera and did a full nut and bolt restoration on it.
Wish you all the best, a brave man indeed. 😁😁
TVR! Awesome -this is going to give us all some "extended" content thats for sure - Love the sound these make and these were definitely a head turner. Keep the colour combination as its really suits it. Look forward to this - i think its going to be some serious work and they're known for their plethora of issues. Nice one Dean, good luck!
What a machine, Wheeler dealers did one and the only major problem they had was the chassis..
my dream TVR is the sagaris
Great project ,worked as a tech at a TVR dealer in the early 2000's once there fully sorted ,fantastic cars good luck ,& it's definitely going to be an experience
You might have worked on my one! I had a 98, 4.2 Cerbera in BRG.
In my Vauxhall days, I had two or three Calibras in that colour combination of a metallic green with cream leather seats. They looked a million dollars, turned heads and brought envious looks wherever I went. Seeing inside brought back memories of those cars straight away. Keep the colour combo - it's just so right.
Really nice, I too used to watch that Clarkson shootout video and lust after the cerbera. Two things I think are, it's basically a high quality kit car & it's a widow maker being high power rwd.
Never seen one up close. Really cool interior! The car looks like a mix of dodge viper, jaguar and a few other cars. But it all looks great!
Wow buzzing for this one great colour combo keep it mate would love one of these look so much fun
I live round the corner from the old tvr factory in bispham my older brother worked as sprayer for a few years there and my dad use to take me down and watch them flying up the road out the gates when is was a kid! Cerbera is my favourite!!!
Great video, what a brill car Love the racing green & beige leather, looking forward to more videos on this.
Chassis rotting and speed six engine. Two big problems. The speed six was a real issue. You normally find those have to be rebuilt (they fail a lot). Power’s performance are the people to go and see about the engine. Dom Trickett.
I worked as a technician in TVR dealerships in the late 90’s early 2000’s.
Water leaking onto the MBE ecu on the earlier AJP8’s.
Diff mountings, rear shocks.
Rusty chassis outriggers and front wishbones.
Dean that is a Meta alarm system, looks like a cat1 because of the overriding fobs.
Best to find the unit and take it out bud, I can’t remember if it was double or triple immobilised.
Eg; starter and ignition or starter ignition fuel?
Absolutely love that you bought a TVR, built by blokes in a shed in Blackpool. Keep the green paint and cream interior 👍🏻
Ow man, wish I had responded when you said you had something out of left field. Did think about a tvr at that time and it turns out it IS a tvr you went for. Had the same feeling as you, once saw a tvr and it never really left my imagination.
As for the colour, I agree fully. That green with the cream interior looks absolutely stunning. So I would restore it with that colour and only maybe wrap it in a different colour to see if that works out better. I am already looking forward to all the future videos for this restoration. So awesome to see a tvr. Small brand, plenty of problems but there is just something magical about it.
Left field or left in field?
The TVR Owners club strapline: 'Push your car to one of our meetings'. Every TVR owner I've ever met has been a proper Colin, you're in for a ride.
They were proper world beaters, just a shame the reliability and build quality wasn’t up to par and they didn’t sell well, the exterior and interior design was INSANE I love these so much
Keep it green Dean, it's a restoration so go for original colour. Good luck, looking forward to this one 👍
One of the best NA straight 6's ever built and my personal favourite.
If not already mentioned, it might be worth seeking out the episode of Wheeler Dealers where they did a Cerbera.
I would suggest pulling the motor, checking the internals and renewing the weak points.
the colour and interior look great together
Much prefer the OG front headlamps. One of the most beautiful cars ever, good luck.
Looking forward to this series Dean looks an awesome project. Love the colour combo so definitely keep. I think I would have started with a good power wash........if only to flush out all unwanted guests !!!
Brilliant piece of British engineering, I'll look forward to this one!
The green fits perfect! Jaguarish and somehow english!
I hope, you mange to restore it!
Good luck!
I'm here for the long haul on this one. Magnificent car 👌
USB type fob is an immobiliser look around the dash for where it goes should let you turn ignition on once you have put it in 🤞🏻
Love the colour combo
Looks like a steep climb to get it back to where you want it.
Hope you stick with it, will be very interesting.
Sure there’ll be loads of help for you out there in the community.
Looking forward to the series.
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Absolutely brill project Dean, can't wait for the next vid. Keep the racing green colour, iconic!
Brave or what. Know you will make a great job of this. Keep the colour combo. Will be a beautiful car.
Loved the Cerbera, my favourite car of all time. I used to work for a TVR dealership in Manchester back in the late 90's, I was the TVR parts specialist (As well as North American GM) and I had a really close relationship with the parts specialist Mike Williams at the factory in Blackpool. Most models had no parts catalogues and I had started making my own. That flat plane crank V8 is something utterly special, big issues being the alternator and starter in the V!
Definitely keep it green. It's an iconic TVR colour. Looking forward to seeing this project!
That video brought back memories lol I worked for a tvr dealership in the nineties that video was on a loop at the 97 motor show stand it became quite tedious after 2 weeks 😂 .actually the car in the vid was a seriously modified 4.5. When at the time only 4.2,s were available to be ordered you also need to be aware tvr horses are not as big as Porsche or Ferrari horses and whenever we had a car on a Dyno the results weren’t what we were expecting but even so they were v quick. Those speed six engines had a lot of balancing issues when they were first released and were re called to have a dynamic balanced front pulley added…. Possibly due to an alleged flywheel ending up in the passenger footwell of one cerebra ….. if you search RUclips Richard Hammond borrowed one from our dealership to test he certainly enjoyed it.
The USB looking devices are the immobiliser. You need to plug one of them in before it will start. The socket for it is in the big hole under the radio. Good luck
Important to check chassis as it's a body off job if major welding needed , beautiful car great colour combo
the TVR tuscan was one of my favourite TVRs, i remember my first job we literally had a TVR dealer just down the road from us and i DROOLED at the styling, good on you for rescuing such a legend manufacture! your certainly very brave to be takaling this as parts are super difficult to come by! good luck
Had a Griff back in the day…. Sprayed it Rover night fire red. Cream interior too…. Looked stunning. I’m not saying it leaked, but I had a life jacket in the boot.
I’m hooked, subbed and can’t wait to travel this resto journey with you. Good luck, Sir…. Sadly you’ll need it. BUT boy you will smile when it’s finished.
Wow 😍 This is going to be an awesome series Dean 😁 Colour is gorgeous, the car looks like it was in reasonable condition when parked.
for a heads up, contact TVR POWER for parts or information. (sister company to TVR ENGINEERING).. based in Coventry.
Love it! That chassis is your first stop.
Plan to take the body off and then fix everything under that. Also the tapits will need setting and the was part of the big service if you what to keep that came in good order. The "key" goes on the right just under the dash (you can see it in your video). All good fun and doable but a good amount of work (so good for youtube).
‘USB’ fob, is an immobilizer… there will be a slot somewhere on the dash.
Xworks near Blackpool have a good reputation & may be able to help source parts. Great car & looking forward to watching the progress. Keep the colour combo. Looks great. Good luck as that looks like a massive project
I’ve owned a couple of TVR’s in the past a 3000M and a Taimar Turbo. They were a blast and definitely a bit kit car. Wish you well with the resto.
you're a straight up cool guy. this car looks like a fantastic opportunity. nice cut vid. glad I came here. subscribed.
Looking forward to this! There are not a lot of detailed videos on the Speed Six engine so that will be great to see.
Colour combo is perfect.
I like the looks of the single headlamps and the overall body. Not a fan of the quad taillights but I'm old fashioned in car design.