When people describe a game as "arcade perfect" for this era of games I always bring up XMen vs Street Fighter on the Sega Saturn, and better yet if they happen to be at my place I show it off. Usually jaws drop when it comes to the loading time and to be honest it still impresses me to this day. I am watching the video now but something that tends to get overlooked for the Saturn port is that once you beat Arcade one time you then have the ability to select the same player twice on the same team. My brother and I would have 4 player Juggernaut fights but the ultimate in seizure inducing madness was when you did the double super attack for Gambit, the game goes almost completely white. Much love and thank you for covering this game, it's been 21 yrs since I got my Saturn and I have been singing it's praises ever since.
The Saturn version loads faster with the 4MB RAM cart because it has enough RAM to do background loading from CD while there is something going on in the game, and there is data that never gets unloaded from RAM (most likely the select screen and character portraits). The Playstation doesn't have any RAM to spare for background loading or keeping things perpetually in RAM, let alone run the game without drastically cutting frames of animation and two whole characters.
Lassi Kinnunen Saturn's fast loading times is something that is often overlooked. Even 3D games, that don't have RAM expansion can often load really fast for example Sega Rally and Daytona.
It has a slower CD drive. Plus something that nobody ever brings up is how slow the PlayStation and PS2 are at saving data to the memory cards. Even when using a memory card on a Saturn it's much faster.
That's right about having 4 of the same character on screen at once. Seeing 4 massive Juggernauts on screen is amazing. It really shows us what the Saturn can do.
Good question, I remember that ports of 3S didn't show up for another 2-3 years after it released, maybe because it was slow to catch on in the arcades?
Street Fighter III: NG and 2i share a lot of common assets and was ported by Rutubo. Third Strike uses brand new assets (except for the fighters' sprites, which were reused of course) and was ported by Capcom themselves.
In that time frame the coming attractions with the Japanese symbols gave it legitness.I only ask why did they not make an anime even if it was an ova two part special.
Words can't even describe how much I love this game. If I dare, honestly one of my favorite games in the fighting game genre. I wasn't expecting you to cover the ports of this game, but I'm glad you did. The Saturn version is honestly amazing if you can't find the arcade version of this game anywhere else.
I can't describe how much I love this game. I first played it in 1997 in Spain (I was on vacation) in an arcade. I was blown away. I already loved Street Fighter and X-Men and this two united in a crazy crossover fighting game? There must be a god! Sadly, I couldn't afford a Japanese Saturn or a mod and in 1998 I sold my Saturn for a PS1 (yeah, I know ...). BUT few years later I bought a multinorm Saturn and (of course) the Saturn version of XVSF with the RAM cart. Imagine my smile ...
I lover this game. It was a true evolution in the 1 on 1 fighting game style. It's still fantastic to play even now on the Saturn or arcade. I'm glad you could finally get the Saturn version.
Retro Core ~ one of the best and even on my phone running mame (the touch screen control is surprisingly very good...) its a joy and i spend many an hour playing it.... (well it is my only 'device')
Order Of Magnitude - The Paranormal & Personal get yourself a Bluetooth controller from eBay. They only $5 to $10 dollars. The $10 one I got is called just called plain "gamepad" Great controller for $10. Only thing is you have to really wait for it cuz it comes from China. If you PC game it's a must have. Great value.
And Sega Saturn wins, once more. SS version puts PS version to shame. Very smooth and practically no loading times, this is impressive. My beloved Saturn, so underrated in the west...
@@Nozzat "Few"? Its common knowledge that the Saturn is home to many superior version of multiplatform games, 2D most especially. There is nothing really to be downplayed here.
You can thank the incompent management over in the west for that. If even half the games from Japan had come west the Saturn would have done much better and been much more fondly remembered. I know in my case it is now in retrospect whereas back in the down I hated on the system bc let's be honest the Playstation did have the better overall library and being young enough that I could only afford one system back in the day it was a no brainer at the time.
@@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM Without the RAM cart, the Saturn versions would've had to be cut down as well or not even run at all like we know them now (you can't run this, Vampire Savior, Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter, or SF Zero 3 without a RAM cart). Sony should've played it smart and added RAM cart capabilities, the games would've turned out better for them. The stock Saturn did have a hair more of onboard RAM than the PS1 did, but the expanded RAM capabilities afforded by the carts surely helped.
I never had any knowledge of the super Famicom port. After seeing it in action, I'm happy that I didn't know about it! (Great video series) love the content..
Ah yes, X-Men vs. Street Fighter... The game that further established what became the Marvel vs. Capcom series with its fast-paced 2-on-2 tag team fighting and over the top action. I've had the pleasure of playing the arcade version on more than a few occasions. It's a shame the PlayStation port X-Men vs. Street Fighter EX Edition was the only home version released outside Japan (one that wasn't outsourced to an external developer as with X-Men: Children of the Atom); it doesn't hold a candle to the Saturn version or the arcade original, and the Hidden EX Option cheat code for enabling a limited tag team mode (both players choosing the same two characters) fails to do justice.
I'm a happy owner of the Saturn version I was lucky to import back in the day, along with the 4MB cartridge. And I always choose Ryu & Wollverine too! what a tag team.
I'm honestly just here for your amazing battle of the ports series with capcom games. Very well researched very informative, far more than the wikis. Well done, keep them coming
You really could have just shown the Arcade and the Saturn version then pretended that the PSX version didn’t even exist. It’s very impressive how the Saturn dominated 2D home arcade ports back then.
Retro Core some of us consumers did but the console and software executives over here (US) thought they knew better than us. The Saturn might have done better in the US had it not been for royal F Ups in the decision making process.
Very few games blew me away on first sight but this was definitely one of them. First found it in a grocery store of all places, and it seemed like there were always people wanting to play it too.
I love this series of games (arcade most of it). Everytime i play it just feels right and i feel happy. You can`t ask for much more than that out of a videogame.
Great video! I remember when it came out in the 90s and how my friends used to line up to play it at the arcade. It was such a huge hit. Side note: did you know there was actually a windows version? Apparently it was released in Korea only. I’ve never seen a dump of it, but the developer’s website has been preserved on the internet archive. It has links to a bunch of patches for the game, but none of them work, not that they’d be usable anyway without the game.
I remember when I first saw this game at my local arcade. I was blown away on how it looks and play. It's been my favorite game ever since. I had the PS1 version. Even though it wasn't arcade perfect, and my parents couldn't get me a Sega Saturn, I was happy to have a version XvsSf.
Many pizzerias and laundromats in NYC still have this arcade cabinet. One of them even had the Japanese version. I think the one next to me has either Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Capcom.
Excellent video! I was so happy the Saturn port of this game happened, I used to play it all the time in the arcade and then at home when it hit consoles. This game was why I bought a 4-in-1 import converter/RAM cart/etc. I still have the official RAM cart though, and spent countless hours on this and Capcom’s other stellar Saturn ports. I spent almost as much time on the Saturn as I did the PlayStation back in the day (and I never bothered with the laughably bad PSX port of XMvSF, gah...it was uglier than I remembered!) My Saturn still works, literally 17 years after my original PlayStation bit the dust. It’s still hooked up to my TV right next to my Dreamcast.
Yeah, the Saturn is a rock solid unit as long as it was made in Japan. Some of the none Japanese machinese have died. Mine is aday one Japanese system and like yours it'S still rocking.
This is one of a few arcade games I tried to get working on the raspberry pi, unfortunately I couldn't get any of them to be recognized...I dunno what happened there... But what some of us might possibly maybe want to kinda know is...any lines like "welcome to die"?
Satur was, indeed, the 2D powerhouse of its era. I played this game when it was released, and it was very impressive to be capable of playing an arcade-perfect port at home at that time.
Around about '95 or so I modded my U.S. Saturn to play Japanese region games simply so I could get the 2D Capcom fighting game ports before they came out in the U.S. Children of the Atom, Marvel Super Heroes, X-Men vs. Streetfighter, Darkstalkers 2 - all amazing ports. I miss playing these games.
On a side note Alex. I always liked the Q-Sound technology tune in the beginning before the title screen . Think it makes a nice cell phone ringtone Now as for X-Men Vs Street Fighter, the arcade version will always be my top choice. So many tokens were inserted into the machine by me to play this gem of a title for sure. I do have the Sega Saturn port of it, but the love for the arcade edition is so positively intense for me. 8^) Nice choice as always bro. Anthony..
The issue (depending on your point of view) with the Saturn version was that it was based on a rare later revision of the arcade game that changed the direction opponents flew away after an air combo to try to limit infinite combos.
Retro Core funny thing is, it only seemed to affect some characters like Cyclops, while Wolverine, one of the worst offenders, came off relatively unscathed!
I don't really like fighter games, but that still doesn't make this one less impressive on Saturn! Like VF2, I'm still amazed by the quality they extracted from that console! And I have played Saturn first time about 2 years ago, when I bought one for myself ;) It was about non-existent in Finland, at the time it came out...
Nice vid as usual! You should consider doing remakes of your old videos, specifically the ones with no voiceover or text only as I find your commentary entertaining -and I'm sure others do too!
Retro Core excellent! You might also consider doing battles of other multi-system games, not just arcade ports. For instance, which version of "Earthworm Jim" is the best and why. At least, I think that would be cool... Keep up the good work either way :)
Good video. The Saturn port is excellent, I played it a lot and still play it from time to time. I am not convinced that the refresh rate is exactly 60fps on Saturn. Sometimes it feels more sluggish, like 30fps. Maybe that the framerate is lowered when too much stuff is happening. I am certain that there is something going on about the framerate in this game... Resolution is lower on Saturn, but that's because the CPS--2 uses a weird 16/9 resolution. Still the games were displayed on a 4/3 screen, making the graphics compressed. On Saturn however, the game runs at 320*224 while retaining the full size and resolution of the characters and backgrounds. So when you compare CPS-2 and Saturn, everything looks wider on Saturn. But that's not a problem in my opinion as everything looks perfectly crisp, and this is what matters the most to me. This applies to all CPS-2 games by the way. On Dreamcast they tried to retain the aspect ratio of the CPS-2 games, but that resulted in slightly compressed sprites, which makes them a bit blurry. You can select the same character after finishing the game, and that also unlocks two new colors per character. One of the unlocked colors for Zangief makes him blue, which is pretty weird. You should check it out.
The Saturn game does have slowdown when things get really busy but I'm sure it's still running at 60fps, just at a slower pace. That's true about the strange resolution of the CPS2 board. I wonder why they did that when all of the games on it are 4:3 aspect ratio? On some CPS2 Saturn ports it does give the option of "Arcade screen size" while this is not 16:9 it does widen the play area a little resulting in the character sprites moving off screen a little.
@@RetroCore That's a strange decision for sure. The only reason I can see is that they wanted to make even more detailed graphics, at the price of having them a little bit "compressed" when displayed at 4/3 ratio. The graphics were created with this in mind however. The characters do look really wide on the various CPS-2 ports. The proportions look more "normal" when compressed to 4/3, in the arcade.
3:09 It's not 4 megabits, it's 4 megaBYTES. This is not some trivial typo, the difference is MASSIVE; the 4 Megabyte RAM cart has 32 megabits, which is eight times more memory than 4 megabits.
That confirms the theory that Sega Saturn was a 2D beast created to beat SNES. And of course it did it! The idea of the 3D engine cames from Tom Kalinsky of Sega America
Cool video back in the day I used to play the arcade and the PlayStation I did love the PlayStation version though despite it being an inferior Port I had heard that the Saturn had the better version are you going to do Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter?
I own the Saturn and CPS2 versions. Unfortunately the Saturn version wont play with action replay 4mb cart,so I have to use the official Capcom 4mb cart. They need to release a Capcom vs collection starting with xmen children of the atom all the way to MvC2.
After reading your comment I decided to test it out for myself and I could do a video on it but this game does work with the 4MB Action Replay cart. I tested it on both my model 1 and model 2 Saturn consoles just to verify because I was certain that I played it a few years back when I got the game. Are you sure that there isn't something wrong with your Action Replay cart? Would it be possible that the earlier releases of that cart has issues with this game?
Deadly Gaming LV strange I have 3 Saturns,2 u.s ones and one Japanese one. I also have 2 action replays and 2 Capcom 4MB carts and 2 copys of xmen vs street fighter(I know i gotta sell some stuff) but my copys of xmen vs street fighter did not work with my u.s saturns with either action replay cart. Only with the Capcom 4MB cart, on my Japanese Saturn. Maybe I have an older version of the console or carts?
Not sure but I just did a quick video on it. I flashed my cart so that I could play backups but that doesn't matter. It worked even before I did that. You can check it out on my channel if you are curious. :)
I like how this game is more like SF with Marvel characters as opposed the MvC which goes a little too much into ultra combo juggle territory. The Saturn port color look a bit muted compared to the arcade for some reason.
I play a lot this game on Arcade and Saturn. A LOT!!!!!!!!!! :) the PS1 version was indeed very inferior like any Capcom or SNK 2D fighting game arcade port. And this snes version for me is totally new. Never heard about it :) I remember Soulcalibur and Tekken for snes, of course Chinese Knockoff games that should use the same engine as you said. Good stuff! Nice video :)
Wow, that Sega Saturn version turns EVERYTHING up to x10, looks SO much better than the PS1 version I own, mate I wish the Sega Saturn had a PAL version of this for release "back in the day" :/
My brother and I rented it just to see how bad it was (As mentioned in a comment elsewhere I imported the Saturn version back in the day) and it was shocking.
This game will never get old. I'm just waiting for Capcom to bring it back in a Marvel vs collection for ps4, xbox, pc, and the switch like what they did with Street Fighter.
The Saturn port is near-perfect, but suffers from momentary slowdown, some very minimal frames of animation missing and, most notably, Armored Birdie (Sabretooth's partner) shoots lets bullets in her special. But this is about the closest you can get to perfect.
The arcade game had subtle framerate issues too, especially when run on turbo speed so that’s not too far out of left field. But about the animation, I’ve heard about this but I’ve never seen it compared side by side to see which ones were either missing or altered. I’m really curious about this since as far as I could always tell it was about spot on.
Excellent Mark. I'm glad you like the idea of using it as a ringtone bro. 8^) Say, I got a good idea for an upcoming episode for your channel Mark. How about doing a Q-Sound technology comparison or a Battle of the Ports version of it. Peculiar concept, but really would give a real twist to your viewers involving it no doubt. 8^) Anthony..
I always heard about how bad the PlayStation port was but never saw it myself...until now! Glad I spent $100 back when the Saturn version came out to import such a damn good port.
I own the PS1 version because I don’t own a Saturn and I don’t find it to be terrible. But then again I’ve never played the original so I have nothing to compare it to.
I only played the PlayStation version when I was a kid,I only played the arcade and Saturn version in emulator. I liked the PlayStation version but after playing the other versions it really sucks. Sorry for the delay in translating the videos, I was busy with work.
Hey, no worries ELJ_ I check th community translations about once a week these days now that I know people are submitting them. I'll add any new ones youve done this week.
*chuckles* First time you didn't bleep out saying "shit" in an episode, and I don't blame ya. I'd say the ONLY thing worth having the PS1 version for is for listening to the music off the CD.
Retro Core Fun thing is, four songs from CotA were brought back for this: Character Select (pitched higher and at a faster BPM), "Here Comes A New Challenger", Continue, and Game Over.
another piece of trivia. i ONLY played the JPN version of mvc on dreamcast. why? because it has the FLASH OFF option. it totally removes all screen flashes which makes the game far cleaner and much more playable without distraction. the idea was to appeal to those who have seizures.
Actually, the next Capcom game to be covered is Vampire Hunter, the 2nd in the series. The title card is already made :) The next show will be a Namco game though. Vampire will follow that.
The PS1 version has a cheat where you can play with the tag-team mode on 2 players mode. But each player chooses 1 character, so both players play with the same team. It's better than nothing I guess :) IIRC , Marvel vs Street Fighter on PS1 had this feature from the start, without the need of a cheat.
Retro Core I thought that MVC 3 was a bit....Just a bit...Umbalanced. I mean i always used characthers that are kind of Unknow to rhe Average Joe like Strider Hiryu, Haggar or...Whatever...But...Just use Deadpool, Okami, Morrigan, Dante, Vergil...And you win everything! Where is the fun on that??? Ohh wait...On the plus side, we got Project X Zone! Which is not a fighting game, but a good RPG!
The best way to show the difference between saturn's and psx version is to show the idle animation of characters like magneto and gambit, you should have done that lol
Saturn had a lot of issues dealing with transparencies and some 3d graphics, but when it comes to 2d games in particular beat´m ups, the Saturn was the BOSS.
I never played this game but i do like the re-invented music for the SF characters. i did come across that pirate SNES release, but just like the SNES pirate version of Street Fighter EX it didn't work, no matter what emulator i used they refuse to load these games for some reason, oh well i knew they were going to be awful anyway.
Capcom really figured things out from optimizing their PlayStation port of Street Fighter Alpha 3, because Darkstalkers 3 and Capcom vs SNK Pro weren't that bad compared to this port.
This game and Tatsunoko vs Capcom are the two games I want on PS4 so much! I know this game probably won't happen thanks to Marvel and Disney constantly whoring out their properties to the highest bidder. Would love to play Arcade perfect X-Men vs Street Fighter on a modern home console.
Just play X-Men vs Street Fighter on a Saturn via RGB. IT will look exactly like the arcade machine then. Tatsunoko vs Capcom I have on the Wii. It's okay but not the best.
The PlayStation version of X-Men vs. Street Fighter was one of the greatest disappointments of my childhood. Capcom shouldn't have even bothered trying. I'm lucky to own a Saturn with this game. 😌
The Saturn port is near arcade perfect, as expected. The PlayStation port... What the hell. It really is a heap of crap. It's so bad, that I can honestly say Moral Kombat 3 for the Playstation puts it to shame. I straight up never heard of the Super NES version.
Juan Martin Stehle heh, true, forgot about that port. Although that one should be a little easier on the RAM requirements, it does serve as a good point of comparison.
You know there's no "Battle" here right?! The Saturn version is by default, THE DEFINITIVE port of XMEN VS STREET FIGHTER. There is literally NO COMPETITION otherwise. This vid should've literally just been the Saturn version, THE END😆😂🤣
Might get flack for this or not but when people trash all over the ps1 version they tend to forget that the system lived on during its era without any expanded ram. The N64’s Expansion Pak increased the ram from 4MB to 8Mb The Saturn’s ram options were either 1 or 4 as far as I’ve noticed. I remember reading a comment a long time ago that said a rare 8 or 10 MB cart existed for the Saturn and that games like XmVsSf ran even better then before when using the 4MB However I couldn’t find anything on it so he might have just been trolling ppl. I’d say had a 4or5 MB Ram expansion had been made for the PS1 it would have been almost or as good as the Saturn Ram cart. However i don’t think Sony believed it was necessary. Their Console was at the top during that Generation and sold about 100 million units worldwide. It was a common console to find in almost every household at the time. I believe the main prob with X-Men vs SF on PS1 was its poor optimization on the console. I believe the game would have ran pretty well as a 1V1 type of game had it been like MvC1 on ps1. At first i thought maybe they were very inexperienced with the console and that may have been possible but what makes me wonder is how did they do so well with the saturn for its time considering game developers always say that at the time programming for the system was a nightmare. So they might have been just lazy when making the games for ps1 because later games like MvC1 and JoJo look like they were given a lot more effort. I believe the best companies on the job were Capcom and Sega themselves. Games like Suikoden and Symphony of the night weren’t optimized that well however and are often considered not that good. MK Trilogy and Gex were 2D games that looked as good as their ps1 counterparts but had those mesh patterns when displaying transparencies. I think the best 2D Fighting game imo that showed what the ps1 was possible of was Guilty Gear. Its not as smooth as most Capcom games on Saturn but by god its the closest i’ve found.
Ah, the good old ultra Saturn Ram cart story. Sadly that's just a trolling story. There was a 3D booster cartridge however that neve rmade its way past the prototype stages. It was designed to give the Saturn the polygon power of a model 1 Arcade board. Something that powerful would have blown anything available until the Dreamcast out of the water. Sadly it was expensive and the Dreamcast was coming so the cart never came about. The PlayStation could have had a RAM extention at one point until SONY decided to remove the expansion port. This is what ultimately destroyed the idea. Still, even with a ram cart the PlayStation was still slower at disc accessing and general processing speed. So a ram card would have only resulted in more animation but we don't know if the hardware could have handled moving so much at 60fps. PlayStation was designed around 3D which it does very well for its age. The Saturn was designed around powerful 2D arcade hardware with 3D as an afterthought. Both Saturn and PlayStation can do good 2D and 3D but it's clear to see which is each systems strength and weekness. I could play Wipeout 2 on the Saturn and it is very smooth but the textures are lower resolution than the PlayStation. This is the exact same situation between Capcom Fighters being played on the PlayStation. You can enjoy them but they lack features found on the Saturn ports. Even ports that don't use extra ram carts.
SEGA dropped the ball when they didn't port over X-Men vs Street Fighter for the American Saturn. The PlayStation version was an atrocity, but the bootleg SFC version was even worse! And may i add, why didn't Capcom repackage that game like they did with their Marvel vs Capcom Origins will remain a mystery.
Without the 4mb ram cart,Saturn wouldnt have the tag feature and it would be (still) just a little better than the Psx. Super Nes isnt a port,its just an unofficial bootleg PD game and such games shouldnt be in the mix even if they are (sometimes) good.
The Saturn would have still kept the tag feature but it would have had less animation for sure. Don't forget that the base Saturn has 1MB more ram than a PlayStation. There are many tag Fighters on the Saturn that don't use ram carts.
There is also Xmen vs Street Fighter Online, which is a fanmade game originally based on XvSF. They were sued by Marvel so they renamed it Street Fighter Online. I used to play it back when all I had was 56k dialup. It seems like they are still active. xmenvs.streetfighteronline.com/
Surpringly not. I was filming this the Friday before Game Sack came out. It was actually surprised too when they featured it. I normally start filming these episodes at least a week before hand.
My poor PS1 :( The PlayStation parallel port probably could've been used for RAM expansion if they had thought about it. X-Men vs Street Fighter could've gotten an arcade perfect port if they thought. I fucking love CAPCOM and my PS1 but damn you SONY.
While it is true that Capcom struggled with porting X-Men vs Street Fighter on the PlayStation, they did a better job porting Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom to the PlayStation. Capcom's best 2-D fighter on the PlayStation is Street Fighter Alpha 3.
Awesome comparison as always! As an extra, can I leave this comparison video I did some time ago showing how each version of XMvSF compares in terms of animation frames? ruclips.net/video/ElaBY4LHma0/видео.html
I think the people who made the SNES bootleg port are the same people who made the SNES port of Dragon Ball: Final Bout. That game also stole music from SFII and ran extremely poor.
Apparently Sega Europe were in contact with Capcom/Virgin about a PAL release , but they couldn't come to an agreement as to what the price should be, given the game was going to be bundled with the RAM cart (would have been risky releasing a Saturn game for £50-60 in 1998 given the state of things). Real shame too as this and the sequel are some of my favourite 2D fighters. The PS port is bad even by the standards of SF games on the system in general. SFZ3 is a considerably better experience (even if the Saturn version of that one is also superior), Ive had the opportunity to play the PAL version of it, quite dreadful actually.
its not great, but arguably closer than this one as at least it didn't drop a core aspect of the game, It was mainly just sluggish and had the usual animation cuts. This takes out the biggest distinguishing feature of the game.
Ha, I was like "they put out X-Men vs. Street Fighter on the SNES? SFA2 was a gutsy call, but this seems ridiculous," then I got to the segment and of course it's a pirate game, because of course. And it looks like an especially bad pirate game. Yikes.
street fighter alpha 2 was the final miracle that capcom put on the snes. that game should not even have been possible for the system but it made it there. doesn't run arcade perfect with load times and low sounding music but it is very much playable
I was lolling so hard for that sfc hack. I had already seen a video of it. PS port is missing alot, but still playable. Which is the most important part of any game. Still agreed a piss poor port
The PS port is a playable game, I agree with that but sadly its not XMEN Vs Street Fighter. I'll be doing Marvel VS Street Fighter next. That faired better on the PlayStation.
I don't see the point of stacking stock hardware against hardware with an after market RAM expansion, of course it wins. If you want to maintain any semblance of balance it has to be stock hardware against stock hardware, it's not like the Saturn RAM expansions were even part of the regular Saturn set-up outside Japan.
That's because Sega of America refused to bring out every single game that required them or could have benefited from it here, also you HAD to use the packed in 4 MB RAM cart to play this game as it was not optional. But by your logic of comparing games then you also cant compare any N64 games that use that RAM expansion either? Bottom line is that the Saturn port was and is amazing and it is because of the RAM cart.
we could make the argument that based on the add on = doesn't count logic, games like Starfox, SNES Doom , Rockman X3 , Virtua Racing, etc, shouldn't be counted because they all use some sort of co processor in the cartridge.
Sure, why not? N64 arcade ports that take advantage of the RAM expansion is an incredibly small, possibly non-existent sub-set of the N64 library. Before the internet became mainstream only a small slice of the audience could even access import games, they'd have had no idea that Saturn RAM expansions even existed.
An incredibly weak argument, you never had to buy separate components and assemble functional Starfox cartridges yourself, PAL amd NTSC Saturns didn't come with the RAM expansion.
I’m not a PlayStation fan myself but Sony kind of just got lucky with some choices 1. Ps1- Sega fucked up the Saturn launch as most people know releasing it prematurely and which angered retailers and 3rd party developers. It was also $100 more than ps1 at launch which basically guaranteed that Sony would win that war. Nintendo went the route with cartridges on the n64 which made it hard for developers to develop their games on it with limited space on cartridges plus cartridges were more pricey to produce games in then cds. Ps1 basically was handed all the third party support and fan fare because of its competitors making bad choices 2. Ps2- DVD player at a time when dvds were popular and DVD players were pricey. No other console at that generation had a DVD player (GameCube has the Panasonic q in Japan but that was much later and didn’t sell well because Japan loves PlayStation). With the ps1 being so popular all the 3rd party support carried over to the ps2 despite the ps2 having weaker hardware then both the GameCube and the Xbox 3. Psp- With how popular the other PlayStation consoles were this was no doubt this one would be popular as well. The first Sony handheld which felt like a handheld ps2, had a great library of games and was much more powerful than its main competitor the ds. Unfortunately Nintendo was in the handheld market for years and understood that demographic so Sony came in second place behind the ds 4. Ps3 First time Sony fucked up. Although I read that it actually cost Sony $900 to produce each console, that $600 launch price was just too high especially since the 360 came out a year before that with a much cheaper launch price. This was one of the times where the roles were reversed for Sony when they had the more powerful console but ended up being third place behind its competitors because of a shaky start. Ps3 would eventually barely out sell the 360 in its lifespan due to it having a much better second half than its first half but you couldn’t help but feel they still lost to the 360 and Wii during its prime. 4. Ps vita- essentially the same reason the ps3 had a bad start, the vita despite being very powerful was just too expensive. Between the price of the handheld itself and then the fact that you had to buy the memory card separately which was also expensive and also the fact that it lacked true backwards compatibility, had this console be the biggest flop for Sony in the console market. It does still have a great library of games and tons of support from Japan and indie games that still exists today. PS4- basically the same story as the as the ps1, bad decisions from its competitors made it the default console to buy. This is my basic reasoning for the success of most of the PlayStation consoles, ironically when Sony had more powerful hardware than their competitors they actually did worse than when they had inferior hardware
When people describe a game as "arcade perfect" for this era of games I always bring up XMen vs Street Fighter on the Sega Saturn, and better yet if they happen to be at my place I show it off. Usually jaws drop when it comes to the loading time and to be honest it still impresses me to this day. I am watching the video now but something that tends to get overlooked for the Saturn port is that once you beat Arcade one time you then have the ability to select the same player twice on the same team. My brother and I would have 4 player Juggernaut fights but the ultimate in seizure inducing madness was when you did the double super attack for Gambit, the game goes almost completely white.
Much love and thank you for covering this game, it's been 21 yrs since I got my Saturn and I have been singing it's praises ever since.
The Saturn version loads faster with the 4MB RAM cart because it has enough RAM to do background loading from CD while there is something going on in the game, and there is data that never gets unloaded from RAM (most likely the select screen and character portraits). The Playstation doesn't have any RAM to spare for background loading or keeping things perpetually in RAM, let alone run the game without drastically cutting frames of animation and two whole characters.
Lassi Kinnunen Saturn's fast loading times is something that is often overlooked. Even 3D games, that don't have RAM expansion can often load really fast for example Sega Rally and Daytona.
It has a slower CD drive. Plus something that nobody ever brings up is how slow the PlayStation and PS2 are at saving data to the memory cards. Even when using a memory card on a Saturn it's much faster.
That's right about having 4 of the same character on screen at once. Seeing 4 massive Juggernauts on screen is amazing. It really shows us what the Saturn can do.
That is very true.
One of my favourite fighting games of all time too. The Saturn port was mind blowing, the main reason for modding my system to play imports in 1997
Capcom should've ported this game along with Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter to Dreamcast as a two games in one disc...
Kinda like what they did with Street Fighter III and 2nd Impact? I would have bought the hell out of it.
Good question, I remember that ports of 3S didn't show up for another 2-3 years after it released, maybe because it was slow to catch on in the arcades?
Street Fighter III: NG and 2i share a lot of common assets and was ported by Rutubo. Third Strike uses brand new assets (except for the fighters' sprites, which were reused of course) and was ported by Capcom themselves.
I think Red Earth/Warzard is highly underrated
Maybe there was a license issue with characters?
The Saturn was a 2D fighter monster! Nice video!
That it was.
neo geo
In that time frame the coming attractions with the Japanese symbols gave it legitness.I only ask why did they not make an anime even if it was an ova two part special.
PSX had serious memory limitation compared to the Saturn, they just couldn't do it, especially with an extra RAM cartridge the Saturn rocked at 2D.
Words can't even describe how much I love this game. If I dare, honestly one of my favorite games in the fighting game genre.
I wasn't expecting you to cover the ports of this game, but I'm glad you did. The Saturn version is honestly amazing if you can't find the arcade version of this game anywhere else.
Roi de Diabeetus Marvel Super Heroes vs Streetfighter was also a nice port.
This is the pinnacle of beat em ups.
Ahem... Fighting games.
Vincent GR lo
Beat em ups is a little different but ehh we get what you mean lo
I can't describe how much I love this game. I first played it in 1997 in Spain (I was on vacation) in an arcade. I was blown away. I already loved Street Fighter and X-Men and this two united in a crazy crossover fighting game? There must be a god!
Sadly, I couldn't afford a Japanese Saturn or a mod and in 1998 I sold my Saturn for a PS1 (yeah, I know ...). BUT few years later I bought a multinorm Saturn and (of course) the Saturn version of XVSF with the RAM cart. Imagine my smile ...
I lover this game. It was a true evolution in the 1 on 1 fighting game style. It's still fantastic to play even now on the Saturn or arcade. I'm glad you could finally get the Saturn version.
Retro Core ~ one of the best and even on my phone running mame (the touch screen control is surprisingly very good...) its a joy and i spend many an hour playing it.... (well it is my only 'device')
Order Of Magnitude - The Paranormal & Personal get yourself a Bluetooth controller from eBay. They only $5 to $10 dollars. The $10 one I got is called just called plain "gamepad" Great controller for $10. Only thing is you have to really wait for it cuz it comes from China. If you PC game it's a must have. Great value.
And Sega Saturn wins, once more. SS version puts PS version to shame. Very smooth and practically no loading times, this is impressive. My beloved Saturn, so underrated in the west...
Yep. It's time for the Saturn to shine and show that it was an incompetent system at all.
Once more? One of the few better ports that the Saturn has, plus it's running on an expanded RAM cart.
@@Nozzat "Few"? Its common knowledge that the Saturn is home to many superior version of multiplatform games, 2D most especially. There is nothing really to be downplayed here.
You can thank the incompent management over in the west for that. If even half the games from Japan had come west the Saturn would have done much better and been much more fondly remembered. I know in my case it is now in retrospect whereas back in the down I hated on the system bc let's be honest the Playstation did have the better overall library and being young enough that I could only afford one system back in the day it was a no brainer at the time.
@@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM Without the RAM cart, the Saturn versions would've had to be cut down as well or not even run at all like we know them now (you can't run this, Vampire Savior, Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter, or SF Zero 3 without a RAM cart). Sony should've played it smart and added RAM cart capabilities, the games would've turned out better for them. The stock Saturn did have a hair more of onboard RAM than the PS1 did, but the expanded RAM capabilities afforded by the carts surely helped.
For a second I thought there wasn't any audio narration on this video, which is usually one of the best parts!
Hehe, I was enjoying the music too much to interrupt it.
I never had any knowledge of the super Famicom port. After seeing it in action, I'm happy that I didn't know about it!
(Great video series) love the content..
Hi PlaztiK 76. Thanks for the comment. To be fair the Super Famicom "port" isn't official but yeah, it is awful in every way possible.
Ah yes, X-Men vs. Street Fighter... The game that further established what became the Marvel vs. Capcom series with its fast-paced 2-on-2 tag team fighting and over the top action. I've had the pleasure of playing the arcade version on more than a few occasions. It's a shame the PlayStation port X-Men vs. Street Fighter EX Edition was the only home version released outside Japan (one that wasn't outsourced to an external developer as with X-Men: Children of the Atom); it doesn't hold a candle to the Saturn version or the arcade original, and the Hidden EX Option cheat code for enabling a limited tag team mode (both players choosing the same two characters) fails to do justice.
I'm a happy owner of the Saturn version I was lucky to import back in the day, along with the 4MB cartridge. And I always choose Ryu & Wollverine too! what a tag team.
I'm honestly just here for your amazing battle of the ports series with capcom games. Very well researched very informative, far more than the wikis. Well done, keep them coming
Thanks, Armando Ceniceros. There's another Capcom Battle of the Ports coming next week.
Next is Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter.
Then Marvel vs Capcom
Order Of Magnitude - The Paranormal & Personal then
Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
New Age of Heroes
You bet its coming👍
SVC Chaos.
You really could have just shown the Arcade and the Saturn version then pretended that the PSX version didn’t even exist. It’s very impressive how the Saturn dominated 2D home arcade ports back then.
It's just a shame that people in the West didn't care about the 2D market for the most part. Saturn could have been more successful if they did.
Retro Core some of us consumers did but the console and software executives over here (US) thought they knew better than us. The Saturn might have done better in the US had it not been for royal F Ups in the decision making process.
That SFC version looks like a Tiertex conversion !!!
Hahaha, I bet if they were handling it that's what it would look like.
Very few games blew me away on first sight but this was definitely one of them. First found it in a grocery store of all places, and it seemed like there were always people wanting to play it too.
I'm not surprised. It was something amazing back in the day.
I love this series of games (arcade most of it). Everytime i play it just feels right and i feel happy.
You can`t ask for much more than that out of a videogame.
Great video! I remember when it came out in the 90s and how my friends used to line up to play it at the arcade. It was such a huge hit. Side note: did you know there was actually a windows version? Apparently it was released in Korea only. I’ve never seen a dump of it, but the developer’s website has been preserved on the internet archive. It has links to a bunch of patches for the game, but none of them work, not that they’d be usable anyway without the game.
I remember when I first saw this game at my local arcade. I was blown away on how it looks and play. It's been my favorite game ever since. I had the PS1 version. Even though it wasn't arcade perfect, and my parents couldn't get me a Sega Saturn, I was happy to have a version XvsSf.
The PlayStation version is a playable game for sure. But when you think of how it should be, then the short comings are very noticeable.
Back when Sega was the system to have
Many pizzerias and laundromats in NYC still have this arcade cabinet. One of them even had the Japanese version.
I think the one next to me has either Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Capcom.
That's a testament to just how good it is.
Excellent video! I was so happy the Saturn port of this game happened, I used to play it all the time in the arcade and then at home when it hit consoles. This game was why I bought a 4-in-1 import converter/RAM cart/etc. I still have the official RAM cart though, and spent countless hours on this and Capcom’s other stellar Saturn ports. I spent almost as much time on the Saturn as I did the PlayStation back in the day (and I never bothered with the laughably bad PSX port of XMvSF, gah...it was uglier than I remembered!)
My Saturn still works, literally 17 years after my original PlayStation bit the dust. It’s still hooked up to my TV right next to my Dreamcast.
Yeah, the Saturn is a rock solid unit as long as it was made in Japan. Some of the none Japanese machinese have died. Mine is aday one Japanese system and like yours it'S still rocking.
i own the saturn one..it features all of the animation frames of the arcade..actually all of the 4mb games have no cuts animation wise :P
This is one of a few arcade games I tried to get working on the raspberry pi, unfortunately I couldn't get any of them to be recognized...I dunno what happened there...
But what some of us might possibly maybe want to kinda know is...any lines like "welcome to die"?
That always puzzled me as a teenager. Welcome to die, hahaha.
Satur was, indeed, the 2D powerhouse of its era. I played this game when it was released, and it was very impressive to be capable of playing an arcade-perfect port at home at that time.
It sure was. Things became really impressive when having 4 Juggernauts on screen at once. That was mental.
Around about '95 or so I modded my U.S. Saturn to play Japanese region games simply so I could get the 2D Capcom fighting game ports before they came out in the U.S. Children of the Atom, Marvel Super Heroes, X-Men vs. Streetfighter, Darkstalkers 2 - all amazing ports. I miss playing these games.
I still go back to them now. I find them far more fun than more recent 2D fighting games.
On a side note Alex. I always liked the Q-Sound technology tune in the beginning before the title screen . Think it makes a nice cell phone ringtone
Now as for X-Men Vs Street Fighter, the arcade version will always be my top choice. So many tokens were inserted into the machine by me to play this gem of a title for sure. I do have the Sega Saturn port of it, but the love for the arcade edition is so positively intense for me. 8^)
Nice choice as always bro.
Anthony..
Anthony, that's such a simple yet cool idea. The Q-Sound logo is now going to be my ring tone.
CPSII Musics are pure joy !!!
The issue (depending on your point of view) with the Saturn version was that it was based on a rare later revision of the arcade game that changed the direction opponents flew away after an air combo to try to limit infinite combos.
This is true. Some would say that makes for a more balanced game while others would want those crazy combo possibilities back.
Retro Core funny thing is, it only seemed to affect some characters like Cyclops, while Wolverine, one of the worst offenders, came off relatively unscathed!
I don't really like fighter games, but that still doesn't make this one less impressive on Saturn! Like VF2, I'm still amazed by the quality they extracted from that console!
And I have played Saturn first time about 2 years ago, when I bought one for myself ;) It was about non-existent in Finland, at the time it came out...
I'm happy to hear you could experience the game how it was meant to be.
Nice vid as usual! You should consider doing remakes of your old videos, specifically the ones with no voiceover or text only as I find your commentary entertaining -and I'm sure others do too!
Some are on the cards for remakes such as Final Fight, Ghouls'n Ghosts and a few others.
Retro Core excellent! You might also consider doing battles of other multi-system games, not just arcade ports. For instance, which version of "Earthworm Jim" is the best and why. At least, I think that would be cool... Keep up the good work either way :)
You should definitely do so for Final Fight.
5:59 I've heard about this port from game sack's "piss poor ports 3" video. It was the only console port of this game to be released in the west.
Sad 😢
9:55
Good video. The Saturn port is excellent, I played it a lot and still play it from time to time. I am not convinced that the refresh rate is exactly 60fps on Saturn. Sometimes it feels more sluggish, like 30fps. Maybe that the framerate is lowered when too much stuff is happening. I am certain that there is something going on about the framerate in this game...
Resolution is lower on Saturn, but that's because the CPS--2 uses a weird 16/9 resolution. Still the games were displayed on a 4/3 screen, making the graphics compressed. On Saturn however, the game runs at 320*224 while retaining the full size and resolution of the characters and backgrounds. So when you compare CPS-2 and Saturn, everything looks wider on Saturn. But that's not a problem in my opinion as everything looks perfectly crisp, and this is what matters the most to me. This applies to all CPS-2 games by the way. On Dreamcast they tried to retain the aspect ratio of the CPS-2 games, but that resulted in slightly compressed sprites, which makes them a bit blurry.
You can select the same character after finishing the game, and that also unlocks two new colors per character. One of the unlocked colors for Zangief makes him blue, which is pretty weird. You should check it out.
The Saturn game does have slowdown when things get really busy but I'm sure it's still running at 60fps, just at a slower pace.
That's true about the strange resolution of the CPS2 board. I wonder why they did that when all of the games on it are 4:3 aspect ratio? On some CPS2 Saturn ports it does give the option of "Arcade screen size" while this is not 16:9 it does widen the play area a little resulting in the character sprites moving off screen a little.
@@RetroCore That's a strange decision for sure. The only reason I can see is that they wanted to make even more detailed graphics, at the price of having them a little bit "compressed" when displayed at 4/3 ratio. The graphics were created with this in mind however. The characters do look really wide on the various CPS-2 ports. The proportions look more "normal" when compressed to 4/3, in the arcade.
3:09 It's not 4 megabits, it's 4 megaBYTES. This is not some trivial typo, the difference is MASSIVE; the 4 Megabyte RAM cart has 32 megabits, which is eight times more memory than 4 megabits.
Yep, that's right. I made a bit of a cock-up there.
That confirms the theory that Sega Saturn was a 2D beast created to beat SNES. And of course it did it!
The idea of the 3D engine cames from Tom Kalinsky of Sega America
Cool video back in the day I used to play the arcade and the PlayStation I did love the PlayStation version though despite it being an inferior Port I had heard that the Saturn had the better version are you going to do Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter?
Sure, I'll be covering Marvel VS Street Fighter. I beleive the PlayStation port of that is far better than X-men vs Street Fighter.
I own the Saturn and CPS2 versions. Unfortunately the Saturn version wont play with action replay 4mb cart,so I have to use the official Capcom 4mb cart. They need to release a Capcom vs collection starting with xmen children of the atom all the way to MvC2.
The way Marvel is these days I bet it would be a licencing nightmare.
After reading your comment I decided to test it out for myself and I could do a video on it but this game does work with the 4MB Action Replay cart. I tested it on both my model 1 and model 2 Saturn consoles just to verify because I was certain that I played it a few years back when I got the game. Are you sure that there isn't something wrong with your Action Replay cart? Would it be possible that the earlier releases of that cart has issues with this game?
Deadly Gaming LV strange I have 3 Saturns,2 u.s ones and one Japanese one. I also have 2 action replays and 2 Capcom 4MB carts and 2 copys of xmen vs street fighter(I know i gotta sell some stuff) but my copys of xmen vs street fighter did not work with my u.s saturns with either action replay cart. Only with the Capcom 4MB cart, on my Japanese Saturn. Maybe I have an older version of the console or carts?
Not sure but I just did a quick video on it. I flashed my cart so that I could play backups but that doesn't matter. It worked even before I did that. You can check it out on my channel if you are curious. :)
That would be a dream come true!!!
There was a code on the PS1 port to play tag team mode. But it only was limited to only having the same characters .
Ah yes. I think that's included as standard in the Japanese Ex version.
wow, a code to play the game close to normal. terrible.
I like how this game is more like SF with Marvel characters as opposed the MvC which goes a little too much into ultra combo juggle territory.
The Saturn port color look a bit muted compared to the arcade for some reason.
The Saturn colour looks odd due to the RGB cable I have. In reality it looks just like the Arcade.
I play a lot this game on Arcade and Saturn. A LOT!!!!!!!!!! :) the PS1 version was indeed very inferior like any Capcom or SNK 2D fighting game arcade port. And this snes version for me is totally new. Never heard about it :) I remember Soulcalibur and Tekken for snes, of course Chinese Knockoff games that should use the same engine as you said. Good stuff! Nice video :)
Wow, that Sega Saturn version turns EVERYTHING up to x10, looks SO much better than the PS1 version I own, mate I wish the Sega Saturn had a PAL version of this for release "back in the day" :/
Sadly Sega Europe wouldn't fork out the cash to release the 4MB Ram cartridge over in the UK.
Fun Fact: Gamesack just tore the PS1 version apart.
hehe, and so they should have. It's awful (^o^)
UubrMan X ~ yeah they did a good job!
And if it's anything like the comment section for that segment brace yourself for fanboys to come screaming in for some reason...
My brother and I rented it just to see how bad it was (As mentioned in a comment elsewhere I imported the Saturn version back in the day) and it was shocking.
My poor PS1 T.T
I hope we get a rerelease of this game in a compilation set.
This game will never get old. I'm just waiting for Capcom to bring it back in a Marvel vs collection for ps4, xbox, pc, and the switch like what they did with Street Fighter.
I don't think they can now that Disney owns the rights. They have too much control over the IP now.
*SEGA SATURN hands down* ❤
The Saturn port is near-perfect, but suffers from momentary slowdown, some very minimal frames of animation missing and, most notably, Armored Birdie (Sabretooth's partner) shoots lets bullets in her special. But this is about the closest you can get to perfect.
The arcade game had subtle framerate issues too, especially when run on turbo speed so that’s not too far out of left field. But about the animation, I’ve heard about this but I’ve never seen it compared side by side to see which ones were either missing or altered. I’m really curious about this since as far as I could always tell it was about spot on.
Excellent Mark. I'm glad you like the idea of using it as a ringtone bro. 8^)
Say, I got a good idea for an upcoming episode for your channel Mark. How about doing a Q-Sound technology comparison or a Battle of the Ports version of it. Peculiar concept, but really would give a real twist to your viewers involving it no doubt. 8^)
Anthony..
Sadly it may not work due to RUclips's recompression. I'll have a look in to it though.
Oh man they even took out the tag segment in the attract screen for the PS version.
Yep, it was too much for the PlayStation's ram to handle.
Not to mention it would be false advertising.
I always heard about how bad the PlayStation port was but never saw it myself...until now!
Glad I spent $100 back when the Saturn version came out to import such a damn good port.
Rule of thumb is to always go for the Saturn port of any 2D based game.
I own the PS1 version because I don’t own a Saturn and I don’t find it to be terrible. But then again I’ve never played the original so I have nothing to compare it to.
Hahaha... Im speechless with the SNES version. l didnt know there could be a version for the SNES (although pirate)
Excellent video like always. 👍😎
Hehe, it is funny.
I only played the PlayStation version when I was a kid,I only played the arcade and Saturn version in emulator. I liked the PlayStation version but after playing the other versions it really sucks.
Sorry for the delay in translating the videos, I was busy with work.
Hey, no worries ELJ_ I check th community translations about once a week these days now that I know people are submitting them. I'll add any new ones youve done this week.
*chuckles* First time you didn't bleep out saying "shit" in an episode, and I don't blame ya.
I'd say the ONLY thing worth having the PS1 version for is for listening to the music off the CD.
Yeah, the music is probably the best thing about it. Some of the X-men characters have pretty cool theme tunes. Same in X-men Children of the Atom.
Retro Core Fun thing is, four songs from CotA were brought back for this: Character Select (pitched higher and at a faster BPM), "Here Comes A New Challenger", Continue, and Game Over.
on the art on the back of the dreamcast version of marvel vs capcom its a screen shot of xmen vs street fighter
It does? I wonder if that's on the Japanese version as I've never noticed it. Pretty bad mistake if it is.
www.mobygames.com/game/marvel-vs-capcom-clash-of-super-heroes/cover-art/gameCoverId,198848/ the picture on the left with Wolverine and Gouki
Hahaha, what a mistake. That's not on the Japanese box.
another piece of trivia. i ONLY played the JPN version of mvc on dreamcast. why? because it has the FLASH OFF option. it totally removes all screen flashes which makes the game far cleaner and much more playable without distraction. the idea was to appeal to those who have seizures.
Darkstalkers 3 / Vampire Savior next, please! One of the most underrated and awesome fighting games of all time!!
Actually, the next Capcom game to be covered is Vampire Hunter, the 2nd in the series. The title card is already made :)
The next show will be a Namco game though. Vampire will follow that.
The PS1 version has a cheat where you can play with the tag-team mode on 2 players mode. But each player chooses 1 character, so both players play with the same team.
It's better than nothing I guess :)
IIRC , Marvel vs Street Fighter on PS1 had this feature from the start, without the need of a cheat.
That's right. Actually it's present in the Japanese version as default. They call it the Ex edition.
It"s funny that this game have started the Capcom vs Misc crossover Craze. And...What a good time was that eh?
They were all great until mvc3 which started the downfall.
Retro Core I thought that MVC 3 was a bit....Just a bit...Umbalanced. I mean i always used characthers that are kind of Unknow to rhe Average Joe like Strider Hiryu, Haggar or...Whatever...But...Just use Deadpool, Okami, Morrigan, Dante, Vergil...And you win everything! Where is the fun on that??? Ohh wait...On the plus side, we got Project X Zone! Which is not a fighting game, but a good RPG!
The best way to show the difference between saturn's and psx version is to show the idle animation of characters like magneto and gambit, you should have done that lol
Or Juggernaut on the character select screen. He doesn't even move on the PlayStation version.
Got this for my Saturn, got it for fairly cheap too years back.
Nice. Its a good game.
Saturn had a lot of issues dealing with transparencies and some 3d graphics, but when it comes to 2d games in particular beat´m ups, the Saturn was the BOSS.
Without a doubt. More impressive than the Neo Geo too.
Now I want to get out my Sega Saturn and my copy of X-Men vs. Street Fighter and play. Or just play it on MAME.
mame better. just for that little 10 minute gameplay it's not worth to get a whole hardware anymore. just pc emulation best
Fun Fact: There exists an MD version of X-Men vs Street Fighter, but the ROM remains undumped.
That is right and the main reason why it's not on this video.
What, no ZX Spectrum version??? Shame... :-D
Just as well 😎
I never played this game but i do like the re-invented music for the SF characters. i did come across that pirate SNES release, but just like the SNES pirate version of Street Fighter EX it didn't work, no matter what emulator i used they refuse to load these games for some reason, oh well i knew they were going to be awful anyway.
Ah, the rom online for this game will not even work on a real SNES. it has a protection code on it that stops it from running.
I heard that before when i tried to play the english rom of that Metal Slug Game Boy Colour bootleg, such an inconvenience.
Next VS games on PS1 were pretty ok loading wise and had decent character animation, so what happened there?
Just an overall bad port.
Capcom really figured things out from optimizing their PlayStation port of Street Fighter Alpha 3, because Darkstalkers 3 and Capcom vs SNK Pro weren't that bad compared to this port.
Good to know Mark. Hope it works out. 8^)
Anthony..
This game and Tatsunoko vs Capcom are the two games I want on PS4 so much! I know this game probably won't happen thanks to Marvel and Disney constantly whoring out their properties to the highest bidder. Would love to play Arcade perfect X-Men vs Street Fighter on a modern home console.
Just play X-Men vs Street Fighter on a Saturn via RGB. IT will look exactly like the arcade machine then.
Tatsunoko vs Capcom I have on the Wii. It's okay but not the best.
Retro Core I'd rather have it on a modern system. I don't play any old school consoles anymore. I don't have the room.
Fair enough.
The PlayStation version of X-Men vs. Street Fighter was one of the greatest disappointments of my childhood. Capcom shouldn't have even bothered trying.
I'm lucky to own a Saturn with this game. 😌
Arcade and Sega Saturn ports wins! 😀😁
The Super Famicom version exists to make the PS1 version not seem so bad by comparison.
I wish I could get the SFC version on a cartridge with box :) There's also a Mega Drive version but I can't find that one.
The Saturn port is near arcade perfect, as expected.
The PlayStation port... What the hell. It really is a heap of crap. It's so bad, that I can honestly say Moral Kombat 3 for the Playstation puts it to shame.
I straight up never heard of the Super NES version.
The SNES it's a pirated version. To be fair the port of PS1 is completely playable but yes, it sucks.
There was just not enough RAM to get a decent PS version.
Not to mention Jose, during that time Street Fighter Alpha 3 was ported to the PS1 and that version was faithful to the arcade.
Juan Martin Stehle heh, true, forgot about that port. Although that one should be a little easier on the RAM requirements, it does serve as a good point of comparison.
You know there's no "Battle" here right?! The Saturn version is by default, THE DEFINITIVE port of XMEN VS STREET FIGHTER. There is literally NO COMPETITION otherwise. This vid should've literally just been the Saturn version, THE END😆😂🤣
Can't say I disagree with you, 👍
Retro Core Love your vids, btw😆
Might get flack for this or not but when people trash all over the ps1 version they tend to forget that the system lived on during its era without any expanded ram.
The N64’s Expansion Pak increased the ram from 4MB to 8Mb
The Saturn’s ram options were either 1 or 4 as far as I’ve noticed.
I remember reading a comment a long time ago that said a rare 8 or 10 MB cart existed for the Saturn and that games like XmVsSf ran even better then before when using the 4MB
However I couldn’t find anything on it so he might have just been trolling ppl.
I’d say had a 4or5 MB Ram expansion had been made for the PS1 it would have been almost or as good as the Saturn Ram cart.
However i don’t think Sony believed it was necessary. Their Console was at the top during that Generation and sold about 100 million units worldwide. It was a common console to find in almost every household at the time.
I believe the main prob with X-Men vs SF on PS1 was its poor optimization on the console. I believe the game would have ran pretty well as a 1V1 type of game had it been like MvC1 on ps1.
At first i thought maybe they were very inexperienced with the console and that may have been possible but what makes me wonder is how did they do so well with the saturn for its time considering game developers always say that at the time programming for the system was a nightmare.
So they might have been just lazy when making the games for ps1 because later games like MvC1 and JoJo look like they were given a lot more effort.
I believe the best companies on the job were Capcom and Sega themselves. Games like Suikoden and Symphony of the night weren’t optimized that well however and are often considered not that good. MK Trilogy and Gex were 2D games that looked as good as their ps1 counterparts but had those mesh patterns when displaying transparencies.
I think the best 2D Fighting game imo that showed what the ps1 was possible of was Guilty Gear. Its not as smooth as most Capcom games on Saturn but by god its the closest i’ve found.
Ah, the good old ultra Saturn Ram cart story. Sadly that's just a trolling story. There was a 3D booster cartridge however that neve rmade its way past the prototype stages. It was designed to give the Saturn the polygon power of a model 1 Arcade board. Something that powerful would have blown anything available until the Dreamcast out of the water. Sadly it was expensive and the Dreamcast was coming so the cart never came about.
The PlayStation could have had a RAM extention at one point until SONY decided to remove the expansion port. This is what ultimately destroyed the idea. Still, even with a ram cart the PlayStation was still slower at disc accessing and general processing speed. So a ram card would have only resulted in more animation but we don't know if the hardware could have handled moving so much at 60fps. PlayStation was designed around 3D which it does very well for its age. The Saturn was designed around powerful 2D arcade hardware with 3D as an afterthought. Both Saturn and PlayStation can do good 2D and 3D but it's clear to see which is each systems strength and weekness. I could play Wipeout 2 on the Saturn and it is very smooth but the textures are lower resolution than the PlayStation. This is the exact same situation between Capcom Fighters being played on the PlayStation. You can enjoy them but they lack features found on the Saturn ports. Even ports that don't use extra ram carts.
SEGA dropped the ball when they didn't port over X-Men vs Street Fighter for the American Saturn. The PlayStation version was an atrocity, but the bootleg SFC version was even worse! And may i add, why didn't Capcom repackage that game like they did with their Marvel vs Capcom Origins will remain a mystery.
Without the 4mb ram cart,Saturn wouldnt have the tag feature and it would be (still) just a little better than the Psx.
Super Nes isnt a port,its just an unofficial bootleg PD game and such games shouldnt be in the mix even if they are (sometimes) good.
Vasileios what i want to know with the sfc one is...why E.Honda's voice? Surely you would of used Ryu's
+Geo Belmont
Honda's voice fits better :)
The Saturn would have still kept the tag feature but it would have had less animation for sure. Don't forget that the base Saturn has 1MB more ram than a PlayStation. There are many tag Fighters on the Saturn that don't use ram carts.
+Retro Core
Many? Can you name a few because I cant recall any?
There is also Xmen vs Street Fighter Online, which is a fanmade game originally based on XvSF. They were sued by Marvel so they renamed it Street Fighter Online. I used to play it back when all I had was 56k dialup. It seems like they are still active. xmenvs.streetfighteronline.com/
Cool, I wasn't aware of that.
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Surpringly not. I was filming this the Friday before Game Sack came out. It was actually surprised too when they featured it.
I normally start filming these episodes at least a week before hand.
Ah, the predecessor to Marvel VS Capcom series! Give me MvC2 anytime of the day.
My poor PS1 :( The PlayStation parallel port probably could've been used for RAM expansion if they had thought about it. X-Men vs Street Fighter could've gotten an arcade perfect port if they thought. I fucking love CAPCOM and my PS1 but damn you SONY.
While it is true that Capcom struggled with porting X-Men vs Street Fighter on the PlayStation, they did a better job porting Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom to the PlayStation. Capcom's best 2-D fighter on the PlayStation is Street Fighter Alpha 3.
They sure did. I'll be covering that one next week.
Awesome comparison as always! As an extra, can I leave this comparison video I did some time ago showing how each version of XMvSF compares in terms of animation frames? ruclips.net/video/ElaBY4LHma0/видео.html
I think the people who made the SNES bootleg port are the same people who made the SNES port of Dragon Ball: Final Bout. That game also stole music from SFII and ran extremely poor.
you are right in both statements. The ripped music by the way is missing 2 channels I believe.
That Chinese bootleg makes Capcom's Playstation port look like a total masterpiece in software engineering. lol
😁 that is so true.
yeah arcade and Saturn are way better sure ps1 has charm to it it is a bit lagging but i enjoyed it
X-men always win ya' know.
Apparently Sega Europe were in contact with Capcom/Virgin about a PAL release , but they couldn't come to an agreement as to what the price should be, given the game was going to be bundled with the RAM cart (would have been risky releasing a Saturn game for £50-60 in 1998 given the state of things). Real shame too as this and the sequel are some of my favourite 2D fighters.
The PS port is bad even by the standards of SF games on the system in general. SFZ3 is a considerably better experience (even if the Saturn version of that one is also superior), Ive had the opportunity to play the PAL version of it, quite dreadful actually.
lightdark28 Street Fighter Aplha 2 was a bad port on PS1 too.
its not great, but arguably closer than this one as at least it didn't drop a core aspect of the game, It was mainly just sluggish and had the usual animation cuts.
This takes out the biggest distinguishing feature of the game.
It really is a shame this never got a release in the UK. KOF 95 sold quite well there.
Ha, I was like "they put out X-Men vs. Street Fighter on the SNES? SFA2 was a gutsy call, but this seems ridiculous," then I got to the segment and of course it's a pirate game, because of course. And it looks like an especially bad pirate game. Yikes.
Oh yes, this is one of those pirate games that makes most pirate games look professional. It's really bad 😋
street fighter alpha 2 was the final miracle that capcom put on the snes. that game should not even have been possible for the system but it made it there. doesn't run arcade perfect with load times and low sounding music but it is very much playable
It is really playable and honestly impressive.
Uhhhh super famicon???!!!
Next Battle of the Ports... In The Hunt.
Ah, my Saturn has issues playing that game. I'll see if it will run on my other two Saturns.
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The saturn version is a perfect port, played years ago, do you need a ram pack for play before
PS1 is the worst port (same level of X-men)
Yes, the game will not run without the 4MB Ram cartridge.
SNES version has Psylocke.
That makes it better than the PS1 port. j/k
Psylocke is sexy! I wish she was in the real game as a playable character. She only appears trapped in a tube on the final stage.
Cool kids play SFC port 😎
But the uba cool kids play the rare Mega Drive version.
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I was lolling so hard for that sfc hack. I had already seen a video of it.
PS port is missing alot, but still playable. Which is the most important part of any game. Still agreed a piss poor port
The PS port is a playable game, I agree with that but sadly its not XMEN Vs Street Fighter. I'll be doing Marvel VS Street Fighter next. That faired better on the PlayStation.
Hi mark
Hi Gareth 👍
It's a great arcade offering and played it on the ps1 and in hindsight is a mediocre offering.
It sure is.
I don't see the point of stacking stock hardware against hardware with an after market RAM expansion, of course it wins. If you want to maintain any semblance of balance it has to be stock hardware against stock hardware, it's not like the Saturn RAM expansions were even part of the regular Saturn set-up outside Japan.
That's because Sega of America refused to bring out every single game that required them or could have benefited from it here, also you HAD to use the packed in 4 MB RAM cart to play this game as it was not optional. But by your logic of comparing games then you also cant compare any N64 games that use that RAM expansion either? Bottom line is that the Saturn port was and is amazing and it is because of the RAM cart.
we could make the argument that based on the add on = doesn't count logic, games like Starfox, SNES Doom , Rockman X3 , Virtua Racing, etc, shouldn't be counted because they all use some sort of co processor in the cartridge.
Sure, why not? N64 arcade ports that take advantage of the RAM expansion is an incredibly small, possibly non-existent sub-set of the N64 library. Before the internet became mainstream only a small slice of the audience could even access import games, they'd have had no idea that Saturn RAM expansions even existed.
An incredibly weak argument, you never had to buy separate components and assemble functional Starfox cartridges yourself, PAL amd NTSC Saturns didn't come with the RAM expansion.
doesn't matter ,its not stock hardware.
I was hoping for a stripped-down version that still impressed on the SNES, like the Alpha 2 port, but this one is suuuuuper lazy.
Looks like they took the skin from XMen Vs Streetfighter and place it on top of Streetfighter 2 oooh man that knock off port is terrible lol 😂😂😂
I’m not a PlayStation fan myself but Sony kind of just got lucky with some choices
1. Ps1- Sega fucked up the Saturn launch as most people know releasing it prematurely and which angered retailers and 3rd party developers. It was also $100 more than ps1 at launch which basically guaranteed that Sony would win that war. Nintendo went the route with cartridges on the n64 which made it hard for developers to develop their games on it with limited space on cartridges plus cartridges were more pricey to produce games in then cds. Ps1 basically was handed all the third party support and fan fare because of its competitors making bad choices
2. Ps2- DVD player at a time when dvds were popular and DVD players were pricey. No other console at that generation had a DVD player (GameCube has the Panasonic q in Japan but that was much later and didn’t sell well because Japan loves PlayStation). With the ps1 being so popular all the 3rd party support carried over to the ps2 despite the ps2 having weaker hardware then both the GameCube and the Xbox
3. Psp- With how popular the other PlayStation consoles were this was no doubt this one would be popular as well. The first Sony handheld which felt like a handheld ps2, had a great library of games and was much more powerful than its main competitor the ds. Unfortunately Nintendo was in the handheld market for years and understood that demographic so Sony came in second place behind the ds
4. Ps3 First time Sony fucked up. Although I read that it actually cost Sony $900 to produce each console, that $600 launch price was just too high especially since the 360 came out a year before that with a much cheaper launch price. This was one of the times where the roles were reversed for Sony when they had the more powerful console but ended up being third place behind its competitors because of a shaky start. Ps3 would eventually barely out sell the 360 in its lifespan due to it having a much better second half than its first half but you couldn’t help but feel they still lost to the 360 and Wii during its prime.
4. Ps vita- essentially the same reason the ps3 had a bad start, the vita despite being very powerful was just too expensive. Between the price of the handheld itself and then the fact that you had to buy the memory card separately which was also expensive and also the fact that it lacked true backwards compatibility, had this console be the biggest flop for Sony in the console market. It does still have a great library of games and tons of support from Japan and indie games that still exists today.
PS4- basically the same story as the as the ps1, bad decisions from its competitors made it the default console to buy.
This is my basic reasoning for the success of most of the PlayStation consoles, ironically when Sony had more powerful hardware than their competitors they actually did worse than when they had inferior hardware
They should've hacked the SNES version of Street Fighter II The New Challengers instead of using that crappy engine.
I agree. A high quality sprite hack with modified intro would have been great.