Thank you for sharing: I’m a former JW now a born again Christian believer. I talk to JW and record the conversations. You are right, they don’t grasp what you are saying because they are in spiritual darkness. But Jesus sets them free ❤️
I am also born again Christian. But our church is the church of Thyatira. Satan make his full force to make is us like a fool. He deceived us because we don't believe and accept the truth about Jesus. I noticed every churches tell everyone what wrong with the other, they have part of true but they also under the deception of Satan because they don't believe the all truth. Satan tactics is he quotes truth but he mix with a lie and that is trong delusion. My testimony is not the same to you, because I born in born again Christian. A Full Gospel Church. When I receive the promise of Jesus the Spirit of truth no pastors or man lay their hand to me. They try to pray with me to receive the baptism of the fire but they are all failed. But Jesus gave me his promise but no man know that because it is not inside the church and I am alone. while I don't stop and asking why and who really Jesus is. The strange thing happened like he grap me to he bring me to the beginning and I saw how the creation begin. Jesus testify on me that he is the first and he is also the last creation of God, because Jesus said he is the beginning of the creation of God. It means he is the first creation and the last because through him all are created. He teach me also who is the only true God and that is his Father. That is why the Trinity God is his not teaching it only gave the believer a lukewarm faith to him. By the way Jesus already testified to the churches like he said in Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Jesus testify who he was and also Jesus testify who is the overcomer and it is in your church. After a years I read the revelation and after I read the testimony of Jesus to the 7 churches I receive and I hold it tight what his promise to who overcome. And when I read the rev 12 I saw my self in that situation. That is my spiritual birth. I cried it even know I remembered it that is why I make my self busy to not remember my spiritual birth. I do everything to find Jesus but Jesus found me. I know my testimony is against to my church but that is the truth. When I found the deception of satan to our church I'm happy but when I try to tell it they think something about me. I just telling my testimony.
I am also born again Christian. But our church is the church of Thyatira. Satan make his full force to make is us like a fool. He deceived us because we don't believe and accept the truth about Jesus. I noticed every churches tell everyone what wrong with the other, they have part of true but they also under the deception of Satan because they don't believe the all truth. Satan tactics is he quotes truth but he mix with a lie and that is trong delusion. My testimony is not the same to you, because I born in born again Christian. A Full Gospel Church. When I receive the promise of Jesus the Spirit of truth no pastors or man lay their hand to me. They try to pray with me to receive the baptism of the fire but they are all failed. But Jesus gave me his promise but no man know that because it is not inside the church and I am alone. while I don't stop and asking why and who really Jesus is. The strange thing happened like he grap me to he bring me to the beginning and I saw how the creation begin. Jesus testify on me that he is the first and he is also the last creation of God, because Jesus said he is the beginning of the creation of God. It means he is the first creation and the last because through him all are created. He teach me also who is the only true God and that is his Father. That is why the Trinity God is his not teaching it only gave the believer a lukewarm faith to him. By the way Jesus already testified to the churches like he said in Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. Jesus testify who he was and also Jesus testify who is the overcomer and it is in your church. After a years I read the revelation and after I read the testimony of Jesus to the 7 churches I receive and I hold it tight what his promise to who overcome. And when I read the rev 12 I saw my self in that situation. That is my spiritual birth. I cried it even know I remembered it that is why I make my self busy to not remember my spiritual birth. I do everything to find Jesus but Jesus found me. I know my testimony is against to my church but that is the truth. When I found the deception of satan to our church I'm happy but when I try to tell it they think something about me. I just telling my testimony.
I felt sad for that man. The thought that came to me was that confusion comes from the enemy not God. I pray God would open his eyes and enlighten him.
Oh I can see now that that would be an ambiguous response that I made. I was thinking I would pray for the older gentleman who was the JW, that he would start to see the truth of Jesus, in the traditional Christian sense rather than the JW sense.
@@NickHawaiisorry but I'm not sure what you meant by your first sentence. (Jesus always has someone got to him.) Yes the name of God is definitely Jehovah or Yahweh. And Jesus is the unique son of God. God in human form come to save us from our sin. 🙂
@@jeffnoble9757 They are indoctrinated as babies so don't take what he said lightly. Most of those kids can spout huge amounts indoctrination about what they think the bible says. They are put in something called a theocratic school at a young age.
Since you love Jesus Christ, DO YOU OBEY THE COMMAND HE GAVE AT ACTS 1 v 8? Do you know that, he who claim to know him yet they do not obey his commands is a liar and the truth is not in him? ( 1 John 2 v 4) What about Acts 5 v 42, Acts 20 v 20? Would you say that Matthew 10 v 11 to 15, pertain to you or JEHOVAH witnesses?
Was one for many years, you cannot be saved unless you're a Jehovah's Witness. They won't say that to your face, but in the heart of all diehard members that is it. The free gift of Christ comes with lifetime interest from this group, and people give up their entire lives and dreams chasing the watchtower carrot.
You are misleading people about what Jehovah's Witnesses believe!! The Bible clearly teaches that there's a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Why do you mislead people??
@@jeffnoble9757I think you need to listen again as you seem to have missed the point. Either that or you’ve never heard the true Christian gospel about forgiveness of sins through Christ. He is the mediator for all mankind and we can trust him to save us; we don’t need an organisation.
@@jeffnoble9757 1. Hebrews 1:5 NWT/JW’s teach Jesus is Michael the Archangel 2. Matthew 8:11/JW’s teach prospects of heavenly life began at Pentecost 33CE 3. John 6:53-57 NWT/JW’s teach only those with a heavenly hope should partake of the emblems 4. Zechariah 2:10 NWT and 2 Corinthians 6:16 NWT/ Jesus or God?? 5. Matthew 11:27 NWT/JW’s teach Jesus enthroned in 1914. Matthew 24:45-47 NWT if so what’s the purpose of the self proclaimed Governing Body aka F&DS?
Well done! I’m sure you gave him something to think about. It may take many such seeds of truth to get them thinking. Don’t give up! I was a Jehovah’s Witnesses for over 30!years and I bead a die hard witness. I left the Org in 2022 and became a Christian. I now expose the Watchtower on my own RUclips channel. I’m glad I found your channel . I enjoyed your video.❤
i was a JW for over 20 years..basically according to their teaching, there are 3 groups of people..the righteous (who know the will of God and do it); the unrighteous ( who do not know the will or God so do not do it) and the wicked (who know the will of God but refuse or just don't do it). In John 5:28, 29 where it says there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, means the righteous of course are resurrected (to a ressurection of life) and the unrighteous are resurrected so that they will have an opportunity to learn the will of God and do it so they may become righteous.. the wicked are not worthy of a resurrection because they have already received their judgement.. not sure if that clears up any confusion but this is their official teaching.. at least when i was in..i have been out for 8 yrs now.. thankfully..
That is well put .....you've got it ,finally ......and usually we only figure these doctrines out after twenty years of Watchtower Subjugation ........that's how they string us along 😮😮😮
Thank you for sharing. That’s really interesting. I sort of worked that out through the conversation, but it was very confusing to get to that place. I didn’t know they believed that doctrine.
Don't you find it insulting the way these people talk about what you believe for over 20 years. I was in Vegas for the super bowl and saw several groups of Jehovah's Witnesses they were clean cut acting civilized, I saw Jesus people screaming on the sidewalk with megaphone saying you're all going to hell over and over again like mental patients, I tried to talk to one of them he was screaming at me with his megaphone, he couldn't act civilized for even one moment
My family is Italian, they had a few JW weekly visitors, one of them was an elderly yougoslavian named uncle joe, he always came to spead the word etc... even in minus -35deg C weather. My mom and dad always invited him in, my dad would say tell us something good but dont take out any books and leaflets. My dad would go to the cellar and bring up 2 bottles of wine. One they drank at the table and the other was for uncle Joe to take home. The man was always thankful and even ate dinner with us. He was never pushy or rude and never overstepped my dad s rules. He passed away and my folks felt bad they didnt know about his funeral. His replacement(s) are not the same. My folks were great people and always respected everyone.
Your folks are great people, I can tell that!! My in-laws and wife was old school Italian immigrants and they did the same kind of thing, everybody was served whatever they wanted up to the brim, and always hospitable. I miss them so very much. 😢
@@rhondahart2416 Not true. Love is what motivates. Just trying to smear the man and judge his intentions. Not good. He would still be preaching. Nothing changed. You just makes excuses while the witnesses make disciples. He sounds like a good man who cared about others. Don’t dump on him and his memory when he can’t even defend himself. But a good look.
@@NickHawaii Nick if that were true then there wouldn't be any exjw's. Yet there are literally thousands of testimonies of people that have left the org because it's unloving and high control . Think about the last decision that was made about women wearing pants and guys beards, not a single person thought to themselves we are grown people why do we have to be told by nine men in New York, USA that we can do these things now? Really? They control your very thoughts, how you live , how you dress what you can say or not say! If there were just a person here and there complaining then someone can just shrug it off as a disgruntled person but when it's thousands of people saying the same thing? You can dig your head in the dirt but you're not fooling anyone that's allowed to think for themselves. A high control group is defined by a small group of men not allowing questions and there's no honorable way to leave the group without shunning and sometimes losing your life. God doesn't have an org and He doesn't force us to love Him by guilting people into staying in an org.
When I have the opportunity to speak with people from the Kingdom Hall, I ask if they are born again. When they say No, because only 144000 are born again, I refer them to John 3, where Jesus says that unless a person is born again, they can not understand or enter the Kingdom of God. In other words, unless they are born again, they have no place in the Kingdom (and a Kingdom Hall for such people makes no sense). My aim is that these people would believe Jesus rather than the tract society that produces the material they read.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 you make empty statements full of deception. You never back up your lies with facts. You are a waste of oxygen. Prove using the codex vaticanus your empty statement. I challenge you to an online debate. The subject, prove jesus is michael the archangel as stated by jw liars
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Just for the moment, let's set aside what 'born of the spirit' might mean, and notice that, whatever it means, Jesus said that unless this birth comes to a person, that person will never understand/see or enter the Kingdom of God. If you or I are not so born, we will never (in no way) see or enter that Kingdom. A person is either in the Kingdom or in the outer darkness. A person is either in the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom or Satan. Do you believe Jesus?
@@blackukulele He is notorious for injecting the same cut and past into the longer replies comments and with videos UNRELATED to what he is posting. I would ingnor him. He does a LOT of CUT and PASTE SPAMMING and the community of believers in Christ and exjw’s ignore him.
Don't be ridiculous, all First century Christians were of the 144,000 so the Scripture at John 3 applies to them only, they all had the Heavenly destiny. That group is complete so no one else is truly "born again". Mainstream religions can't comprehend that truth that JW's have understood for many decades.
Of course Jesus said that, everyone who became a Christian in the first century was "born again", anointed with Holy Spirit and destined for Heaven. They were ALL of the 144,000, Jesus was gathering only those who would comprise his Kingdom but that doesn't apply to people today, that group has been gathered and completed. No one else is "born again", no one else is going to Heaven, you are wrong.
I'm really enjoying your videos, very practical messages and your presentation is like we're having a chat with you. I'm still working on watching your older videos. Thanks for allowing us to spend time with you.
Thank you so much for sharing this! I hope that man thought about what you said and the Bible verses you showed him, and that he talked about it with his wife too. My heart just breaks for JW's. 😢
The reason you're confused and he's confused is because witnesses don't use the same terminology for a theological beliefs. Witnesses are very smart when it comes to their own theology but in terms of the larger umbrella of Christianity they really don't know theological terms in the way they're meant to be used.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not smart in what they believe. They are brainwashed, by hearing the same crap over and over again, so that they can repeat the answer before the question is done being asked. But they really do not know what they believe, because they are told what to believe and the Bible verses they use, are cherry picked out of context to support their indoctrinated narrative. hey are clueless when you go off script with them.
exactly. JWs are well versed in their pet come-back scriptures, such as the idea of "works" from a stringent take on a single verse in James. one verse to them overrides all of the other verses that suggest grace. they truly blaspheme the Christ by denying what he did for us as a gift. they really don't know all of the scriptures everyone else knows by heart, nor the terminology. I was a former JW and I didn't pay attention to those verses until I left and read the bible myself without the filters.
JWs have such skewed beliefs. I love that you approached them and if you do visit his hall, please keep us posted. I know you are not shy to have straightforward conversations... I have been on the receiving end of the pamphlets and oi vey, it is confusing indeed
I heard Ray Comfort use the exact same analogy (ie “I’ve just been stabbed in the back. I have just 3 minutes to live…”) The concept of Grace is very difficult for humans to grasp before we are Christian. “I did way more than you, so I deserve more than you.” is a common feeling. It really takes the Holy Spirit to make us realize than none of us can meet God’s Standard. However, his Grace is truly remarkable. I pray you have planted a seed in that Jehovah’s Witness despite the confusion. God bless you!
@@Mr.DC3.1914 So why did Jesus die on the cross. If he isn't God he can't forgive sin. Was he just exercising on the cross? He conquered sin and death by being resurrected. All the cults try to take away Jesus's divinity.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 All the cultists take away Jesus ‘s divinity away. So I guess if Jesus isn’t Divine than he wasted his time on the cross . It takes a divine entity to forgive sin. This is the reason the Pharisee had Jesus killed because he claimed to be God and forgave sin … it’s obvious you are not saved because you have not the wisdom to understand the Trinity Jesus said he is the Alpha and the Omega in Revelation and the Father said it in Isaiah. I hope you make it to Heaven
Jesus is our Savior. There's NOT ANOTHER NAME Under the heavens UNDER the heavens ( which is where we are) given among men by which we must get saved. ( Acts 4:10-12) Luke 2:11 also says that Jesus is a Saviour. But look at what Jehovah said in Isaiah 43:11. I - I AM Jehovah,and besides ME there is NO Saviour. You guys might want to change some of this stuff in your next translation. You should have done like the Mormons and just wrote your own bible, you wouldn't have all these contradictions.
It is very difficult to argue against this. Very many of them do not know, and they do not even care. It is extremely unsuitable for them to scrutinise JW Watchtower HQ.
@@PeeOrbital and then there is the atheistic alternative that is giving us litter boxes in public restrooms for those who identify as kittens or puppies......
@@PeeOrbital there is only ONE flavor of Christianity. Religion, man-made organizations, are the flavors that affect the basic concept the Bible teaches.
I have years of experience with them and I know exactly what you need to ask them and what resources to use. I also have plenty of resources with me that I regularly use to share with them and I also know what their theology teaches. They are difficult but not impossible to reach.
There's more than just a simple misunderstanding of Biblical theology here. If we just show them the right scriptures in the right order they will believe. No, they just double down and run into the Watchtower castle walls for comfort. There's a huge emotional impact of facing ostracizedment from the organization, friends, family and even the New Earth, if not Heaven. A difficult pill to swallow. For God, they're not impossible, for Man to convince them otherwise, good luck. In my opinion, they're more likely to be persuaded by arguments from ex-JWs. You can beat your head against the wall or you can hand them a nice book from an Ex-JW, if they will privately read it, because they're not supposed to read any non-Watchtower literature.
@@lionoffireraw The best thing to use is their own translation of the bible, especially their app that you can download. The other thing to do is to look for where the translation is not altered and avoid verses like John 1:1. My suggestion is to use the corresponding verses in the books of Isaiah and revelation that reveal who is Jehovah and then the ones that are similar that are about Jesus and ask them questions firsthand and then follow up with them as you go. If you want other verses to help you I would suggest you use Melissa Doherty. I might post another one for you to read and then study to use.
Exjw here. The word grace is never used and they don’t understand it. Their Governing Body teaches works are essential and even then don’t guarantee salvation. It’s designed for them to be slaving for their religion and completely ignores the gift Jesus has already given.
I tell Jehovah's Witnesses to go through the narrow gate that is on the cramped road leading to life. . Matthew 7:13-14 “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road ** LEADING OFF INTO LIFE ** and few are the ones finding it. . I ask them to read what Jehovah said would happen at the time of the end that is in every Christians bible and yet, few are the ones finding it: . Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of Jehovah, YOU men who are trembling at his word: “YOUR brothers that are hating YOU, that are excluding YOU by reason of my name, said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ He must also appear with rejoicing on YOUR part, and they are the ones that will be put to shame.” . [Name of person] is no longer one of JEHOVAH's Witnesses ---->> "excluding YOU by reason of MY NAME" . I ask them if they can see Jehovah's promise to disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses: . "He must also appear with rejoicing on YOUR part"! . I then warn them that, if they go through this narrow gate they will lose their family as a consequence of the Watchtower Societies shunning policies. . Then I ask them to read what Jesus Christ said about everlasting life: . Mark 10:29-30 Jesus said: “Truly I say to YOU men, No one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news 30 who will not get a hundredfold now in this period of time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and fields, with persecutions, and in the coming system of things ** EVERLASTING LIFE ** . I then ask them if they want to live forever. . I also tell them that they can leave the organization and their congregation with dignity by telling everybody that they believe Jehovah, Jesus Christ and everything else in the bible. . Walk out with your head held high and jump for joy when you do. . What Jehovah said would happen, is now really happening! . That's Good News ................... right! . Jesus said: “Truly I say to YOU men, No one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOOD NEWS. .
@@gunkulator1 Eph. 2:8 For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith,...not by works so that no one can boast. The old law covenant was based on works, and the Jews could not keep it perfectly, thus they could never be saved by works alone. The new covenant is based on faith in Jesus Christ. Works are a result of having faith, but works cannot save us.
@@eyeswideopen8570 You're missing the point. If you have no works, then you have no faith, despite what you may claim otherwise. Christians are to be known by their love. Simply professing faith and bearing testimony is insufficient. A real living faith moves the spirit to act. Always. A lack of deeds in an outward sign of a lack of faith. Because of this, it is wise to ignore those who claim to be Christians but have no works to back it up. They are charlatans.
I have spoken to them before showing them the truth a few times. They no longer come to my house. Although a month ago they tried to stop me while I was walking my dog and I told them I was good and already knew Jesus. They did start following me but then turned and walked the other way.
Wow what a great question . I’m sure he understood your question . The fact that he couldn’t answer it left him puzzled . He’ll think about it I’m sure . … They are so used to patting themselves on the back on Sundays where they essentially believe they are the only ones who will be saved and the rest of the world will be destroyed that when confronted with a reality check question they are dumbfounded.
Thankyou Matt, this was very interesting and informative. I found it very helpful, I never know what to say to them, but this was brilliant. Sad that so many are being deceived by them .
Bless you for being able to do this. I don't think I could personally "have a conversation" with a Jehovah's witness. That kind of stuff is NOT my calling. LOL
Don't you feel sorry for them? Don't you want them to know the love of Jesus Christ and to have eternal life?? Where is the love for the lost? As born again Christians, we ALL are called to share the Gospel.
@@AngelaVEdwards We just sew the seed, another waters and God saves! It's not our job to convince them, the power is in the Gospel itself. And many people do come out of false religions! I'm one! When I heard the true GOSPEL of Jesus Christ and not some watered down message, the Holy Spirit convicted me and I was saved, born again and free! Please don't think they won't be open - we don't know that. It's a process for most people. ❤️✝️🛐
@Angela I agree with you. I do have the theological chops and have debated them extensively, but I just avoid them now. Yes, I feel sorry for them, but if they are reading the same book as I am for decades and still not getting it, there's nothing I can do. Simply repeating the same scriptures back at them isn't doing anything. In order for them to change they need to find out that the Watchtower is pulling the wool over their eyes, there needs to be an emotional disconnect with The Watchtower that is greater than the ostracizedment they will face leaving the organization. Acquaintances, friends, and family still in the organization, will not speak with you or have anything to do with you once you leave the Watchtower castle walls. Simply telling them the WatchTowers not telling you the truth won't do it either.
The fundamental issue with JWs is they don’t believe Jesus is God. Without that revelation you are lost. It is this very revelation that saved the thief on the cross. He changed his mind about who this person was hanging next to him. This is what repentance means. It doesn’t mean being sorry for your sins, it literally means to change one’s mind. The Greek word is metanoia.
It’s a change of mind that leads to a change of action. Had the thief come down from the cross, we would have seen evidence of his transformer mind/heart.
@@lionoffirerawCouldn’t agree more. But as he didn’t have that opportunity to do anything other than hang in the cross and wait to die, the account of the thief on the cross completely refutes all claims of ‘salvation = faith +’. He didn’t do any works, he didn’t get baptised, he didn’t speak in tongues. He simply believed on Jesus. He changed his mind about who he was hung next to.
@@lionoffireraw knowing JW they believe the same thing. The Father is the one who draws a person to Jesus. If you had a change of heart 2 mins b4 death He would know it and the gift would be your future life.
I do not want to know the amount of souls that are going to be lost because of this kind of teaching. These people have no respect for God and His Word.
The Bible says that in the days of Noah, no one listen to Noah, and millions of people had over a month to repent, and the Bible says that All mankind died. It's always the Jehovah's witness that is doing the hard work of going door-to-door looking for people, it's easy for this guy to sit home doing nothing but waiting for JWS to find him,so that he can criticize them, by telling only one side of the story. Similar to listening to only Democrats talk about Republicans and what they stand for.. it's always derogatory
Where does the bible say that no one listened to Noah? There's no point going around, knocking on doors, giving false messages and claiming they are from the Bible.
@@RiverDanube you sound a bit Bible illiterate, the Bible says the good news Will be preached in all the inhabited Earth for witness to all the nations before the comes. JWS"giving false messages"you didn't give one example Einstein. Watch the movie SPOTLIGHT with Michael Keaton it shows what the clergy class does behind closed doors, that's something to be upset about. Also watch the movie HAWAII in 1820 missionaries stole all the land from the Hawaiians and became fabulously wealthy. But hypocrites like you look the other way
@@jeffnoble9757 So strong and proud about your organized recruitment work 😂😂 You people do human sacrifice to WT and reject Christ every year under the Full Moon.
God doesn’t expect us to be answer man and especially if he was older like Matt said. Saying things like he should have remembered Ephesians 2. Not fair or cool to do that. I talk to people all the time who have no idea what they are talking about or can find a scripture. Doesn’t mean they don’t have the truth or that I’m right. Trying to make a theological pretzel out of someone and telling the world what you did doesn’t mean anything.
The most striking part of this interaction is that the 2 women left the guy alone. They NEVER do that so they can be able to pull the other out of the conversation. It's always confusing talking to these people but we must continue to do so!
I am an ex Elder who disassociated in 2023. Jehovah’s Witnesses use a Bible called the NWT Bible which is completely different than any other translation. They change scriptures to make Jesus appear to be not God himself and a creation of the father they claim to be Jehovah. They sell a hope of everlasting on here earth but according to Paul at Philippians 3:20 we will go to heaven. I have spoken to many JW’s since I left but I don’t tell them I am an ex elder because if they know you are an ex Jw they are trained to leave and walk away. I instead tell them to read the book of John and tell me Jesus is not God… they can’t!
@@heatherruiz9490 Yup! If you ever encounter a JW ask them how many Gods there are in the Bible. If they say One then great! The problem is they won’t admit Jesus is God but John 1:1 even in their translation says Jesus Is a God. JW’s have a hard time fathoming that scripture. Even doubting Thomas calls Jesus God at John 20:28
yay..so thrilled you are now free.. welcome to freedom!..my husband, an elder and pioneer for several years and i, a good elder's wife and also pioneer for several years, have been out 8 yrs now and when i look back, i think how did we buy into all that? our eyes are wide open now but of course we had a veil on while in the org... i am really amazed that we got out.. it is a long story.. but i know God made it happen.. and we are ever so thankful.. peace and love to all
Matt, I loved your analogy of getting hit by a car and only having 3 minutes to live ...... then 2 minutes and you asked the JW how you could be saved since you can't go out and "live like Jesus". I totally thought of the technique that Ray Comfort uses to ask those (often Catholics) of how he could be saved and mostly they end up saying that they couldn't help him and that it is too late. I appreciate your consistent videos of dealing with the world.
That really dont sound like the Catholics i know, you know, the ones that eat the body and drink the blood of He, the guy, our Lord and savior, Comfort is asking about. Seems kind of silly when you ACTUALLY think about it, IF you think about it…
Very interesting video Matt. I knew Jehovah's witness believe differently but I didn't really know what they believed this was very interesting. That was nice you went and talked to him in a kind way without being rude and still telling him the truth. 👍
"People who have never heard of Jesus" is addressed in Romans 1:18-20 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
My answer is Matthew 25:14-30 in the parable of the ten talents. What's interesting about this passage is that the wicked servant accuses God of reaping and gathering where he has not gathered and God does not reject this accusation at all. It's also interesting that everyone of the servants is given something. Some given more, some less. It's not important how much of a return they make but that they sought a return. What's the implication here everyone has some revelation of who God is and his word. Some more, some less and God judges us in how we respond to it not on how much has been revealed to us. A person who responds well will naturally end up with more whilst a person who doesn't will discard and bury it
Does the Trinity Doctrine Make Sense or is it Nonsense? Since the Trinity doctrine claims Jesus is also the one God, one must believe that • God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself. • Raised Himself from the dead • Ascended to Himself in heaven. • Pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself. • That he is the only mediator between man and Himself • We must believe that Jehovah prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself. Other Absurdities: • Jesus is the immortal God but died. • Is the invisible God but was seen. Exodus 33:20 But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”. • Is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel. • Is the all-knowing God but did not know the day of his return. • Is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He. • is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father. • Is the Son but the same age as the Father. • Is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father. • Is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God. • Prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself. • Thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself. • Went back to Himself. • Sits at the right hand of Himself • Is His own Father and His own Son • Left Heaven and yet was there all the time. There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible, but you can be sure that Jehovah never expects us to believe impossibilities. Repeatedly you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the Trinity? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.” How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son? A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us. John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.” 2 John 1:3 “There will be with us undeserved kindness, mercy, and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, with truth and love..” Matthew 8;29 And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?” Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will
The Bible clearly demonstrates that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. It also demonstrates that they are separate Persons. It also demonstrates there is ONE God (one Being). The Trinity is an inescapable fact of the Bible. This is a great video on the Trinity ⬇️ ruclips.net/video/XOLXTB4ieJ8/видео.htmlsi=EL_aT9B9ARiF0sP4
@@lionoffireraw nope.....the Trinity is nonsense. Jesus taught in very simple terms. My outline cannot be debunked. Jesus could have very simply said I am the son of God....I am also God and I am also the Holy Spirit....I am all three at the same time. But then again please try to debunk scripture after scripture where God gave glory to his Father. Sheesh... You refer to 2 scriptures. I even ask who spoke from the Heaven and said, "this is my son....." ...this when Jesus was being Baptized. Even the demons responded in scripture acknowledging him as the son of God. Your need for a comfy God that suits your comfort zone is stunning. The great commission is Mathew 28 19:20. If you do not go door to door then you are not obeying Jesus.
Matt, you have a very calming voice; it makes for easy listening. I have a problem though with the term 'works'. There are a number of works defined in the Bible and it can become confusing if we don't acknowledge the distinctions. We too often equate 'works' with being a bad thing, like what the Judaizers were trying to push on the Gentile converts and even upon the Jews who had become Christians, and then think that there are no works required for our inheritance. These 'Judaizers works' were clearly the works associated with the old covenant requirements of ongoing animal sacrifices, circumcision, dietary restrictions, etc. and were anathema to the new covenant under Christ. I know what you are saying about the evidence of the converted heart, yet the kind of evidence that scripture says that such a heart should portray is sadly lacking in far too many 'Christians'. Even for those who have long been Christians, it is common for laziness to enter in, and they no longer produce the fruit that they once may have. This can show up in many ways - creeping sin, lack of doing the good works we are called to do, etc. - and is not a sign that they were never Christians, but just like the 'parable of the sower', they fail to endure or are in danger of doing so. And the Gospels make it clear that enduring to the end, along with many other conditions (forgiveness, not becoming entangled again in the world, keeping Jesus' commandments, etc,) are an act of our 'free-will' and are just as important to our salvation as having faith is. We can't lump all 'works' under the same banner. In Romans 8:12/13 and in Gal. 6:7/8, Paul very directly warns the 'brethren' (born-again believers) that the fleshly side of us all must not be indulged and that by the Spirit's help, we must put our sinful natures to death or else we will not receive the promised inheritance. These multiple warnings are not to 'fake Christians'! They are to real Christians living in a fallen world who struggle daily to overcome and live as the scriptures call us to, and if we are not diligent in our study life, prayer life and practice of the truth, then we can succumb to the sinful nature and become 'do nothing Christians'. (I know because I was once there and only by God's grace and me saying 'yes Lord', am I restored.) Salvation is not a one-time thing. It is indeed initiated by a one-time act of faith through confession/profession of belief, but it is a path that we then begin to walk where the 'sanctification' we are sealed with by the Spirit molds us more and more to be like Christ, if, that is, we are willing vessels (free-will). We can fall off of that path, but we can also get right back on it. And if we are struggling with something yet being honest with our repentance before God, He will honor that honesty by helping us and preserving our life as we work to overcome. But, if our repentance is not truly genuine, then we make a grave mistake to think that God is ok with that. Our, "Forgive me", was never intended to be a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card that can be used over and over again with no real effort and progress towards the putting away of our sinful practices. Do not be deceived - what we do after becoming born-again matters a great deal as to whether we receive the salvation set aside for us. Either both of those above passages shouldn't be in the Bible, or they are saying loud and clear that 'once-saved-always-saved' (OSAS) is at the least a misinterpretation or at worst a lie from the pit that has mislead many.
16così egli fa in tutte le lettere, in cui tratta di queste cose. In esse ci sono alcune cose difficili da comprendere e gli ignoranti e gli instabili le travisano, al pari delle altre Scritture, per loro propria rovina. Pietro 2 - Capitolo 3
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience. This is the gospel of grace alone. ruclips.net/video/k_g1Z6q_f4M/видео.htmlsi=yjkxOzguRNqziGTI
There's your mistake right there Matt. Expecting a simple conversation from what seems a simple question to Jehovah's Witnesses. The conversation will be more like them inviting you onto the squirrel cage wheel that they've been traveling. Once you hop up in there, you both take off in different directions and the hilarity ensues.
I grew up in an JW household, they are mostly confused. Any time I asked questions, they did not have a solid answer. I never chose to get baptized, and I was CSA’d by an elder. I faded away around age 15/16. My family still speaks to me bc they believe I left the truth due to the CSA. I never said that was the reason, and my mother knows that. The other JW’s would not speak to me if they saw me on the streets as I was shunned for leaving. They are a confused people as are their GB leaders.
My parents kicked me out when I was 15, I didn’t agree with the teachings and liked a boy in high school, he wasn’t a JW, we only saw each other in schook
You are so good to talk to them.i have had bad experiences with them and do not give them my time.Saying that,it's very sad that there are good people brainwashed in their kingdom hall.may God's Grace and Mercy be upon us all. ✝️🛐🕊️🖐️
The exact same could be said about you, that your brainwashed, JW's do the hard work of going door-to-door and you're afraid to talk to them? Says a lot about what you believe
I spoke to my (Baptist) pastor about this once and he said I was right. If Ephesians 2:8-9 says our salvation is not of works then we also cannot do works that will lose our salvation. The Bible clearly says it's "not of works" so you can't gain it or lose it based on your works. I do believe a believer will have works, however. Those are evidence of our salvation. Someone who goes on their life with zero works and zero confession of Jesus probably was not an actual Christian in the first place.
A person that doesn’t believe OSAS would not say that a person loses their salvation because of works, but because of choosing unbelief. It’s important to understand the nuances of the beliefs of various groups.
With respect, the issue lies with your original question. In your retelling, you asked a very broad question that required the respondent to include qualifying statements to answer correctly. However, as the conversation progressed, YOU had to add more specific questions and conditions to narrow it down. This approach could have been confusing and unfair to the person you asked. I understand the point you're trying to make, but your method was quite roundabout.
@@lionoffireraw So you believe that if someone has 3 minutes to live, there is something YOU can say to that person which will make them realize they need to repent and find faith in Jesus to be saved?...even if that person was a Muslim, Buddhist or never had tangible knowledge of who Jesus was before that point in time? Thats just silly. You have to add so many carveouts to that question to begin with to make any sense. That said, per Romans 2:12-16 there is still hope for that person being judged according to the secret things of their heart.
@@Johnnyprc Ultimately it is God through Christ who can see hearts and makes the decision. Hypothetical questions get hypothetical answers. Haha. I wonder though when the ark door was finally shut and it began to rain if there came a point that it was judgment made and that was their chance but they didn’t listen.
@@NickHawaii That is exactly the point of the scripture I reference in Romans. The original video was asking a hypothetical question. Relating to the flood - Paul made clear there will be a resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous. We have no idea how many unrighteous people who died in the flood might be given another chance.
2:23 It is a bogus question. Now is the time to respond to the Good News. Beyond that, God and His Son are the judges of if you had an appropriate chance to respond or not, and can see all the factors involved. There are no magic word or declarations that "saves" people. I would say it is in God's hands at that point. 4:25 No, it is not similar for 2 reasons. 1) Jesus is an actual judge of who lives and who dies. 2) Jesus said this: John 5:28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. Or as Acts 25:15 says: (Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Ones who did not have a sufficient opportunity, for whatever reason, will receive a resurrection and have that opportunity to display faith in Jesus. *Bonus* 3) Jesus was not in paradise that day, as he was dead for parts of 3 days. Your translators place the comma in the wrong place. If you will excuse my opinion, but it does not seem you were confused here at all. You got the point correct. 6:54 *Yet faith without works is dead.* James 2:26 Also, notice: (Romans 2:6-8) *And he will pay back to each one according to his works:* 7 everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good; 8 however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and anger. *Can a dead faith save you?*
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience.
1. It’s a great question. 2. They are identical situations. Don’t fall for the lies of the Watch Tower. JW cult is a 19th century invention. It’s utterly unbiblical. It’s as clear a cult as any.
@@lionoffireraw You said "We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. " In that we cannot earn it, yes. That in no way means God rewards those who do not put forth the proper effort. See Rom 2:6-8. As shown, faith without works is dead. And Jesus said this: (Luke 13:24) “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able. Faith and love means obedience, and effort. Not to earn life, but to serve God whole souled.
Paul was telling the Jewish Christians that they would never be able to obtain Jehovah’s approval simply by performing works of the Mosaic Law. James was emphasizing the need for all Christians to show their faith by doing good to others.
People love to believe salvation is as simple as declaring faith. They fail to realize that actions speak louder than words. James 2:26 The counsel is in the Bible for a reason, and obedience is necessary if we love Jesus, and his God and Father, Jehovah. (Luke 13:24) “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.
@@In_Focus24 I agree with the original poster. That is why I posted this one. And I agree with your posts there. You appear to be one of my brothers. Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Hello again. Salvation is as simple as believing in Jesus Christ. I'll go through the scriptures you quoted and after that, you can comment on the ones I quoted. Luke 13:24 can be compared to Mat. 7:13,14 where there's many on the wide road, which means you are in opposition of the majority, so Luke signifies a great struggle against conflict. Jesus was not suggesting that one could merit salvation by striving for it that would be a contradiction in scripture. Read Mat. 7:21-23 and notice all the GOOD things those people were doing to merit salvation, that was some VERY good WORKS . Yet Jesus said I never knew you. Salvation is solely by Grace AKA ( don't miss this next word) UNDESERVED kindness, not by WORKS, not from YOURSELVES ( that takes one completely out of the equation) ( Eph.2:8,9; Rom.4:4,5) Now about James 2:26. In James 2:23 James quoted Gen. 15:6 which says Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it ( faith) was counted to him as righteousness. The WORK that James said justified Abraham was his offering up of Isaac ( Gen. 22:9,12) an event that occurred MANY YEARS AFTER, he first exercised faith and was declared righteous before God. ( Gen. 12:1-7;15:6) So Abraham was declared righteous WITHOUT doing any WORKS. James' teaching perfectly complements Paul's writings; salvation is determined by faith ALONE. ( Eph. 2:8,9) and demonstrates by faithfulness to OBEY God alone.( Eph.2:10) Now to show how simple it is to get saved, all one has to do is , first you must HEAR the Good News message ( which is 1 Cor.15:1-4) and BELIEVE it, then you are SEALED with the Holy Spirit. ( Eph.1:13) Once you are SEALED, you are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption. ( Eph.4:30) Aka once saved always saved. Now before you go to throwing out a bunch of scriptures, make SURE you read the CONTEXT, because scriptures do NOT CONTRADICT each other.
Every conversation I have with one of them is confusing. They do what I call circle talk and deflection. They don't hear anything you say except trigger words and even if your point is far from their deflection, just one little word will have them asking "So I take it you believe in the trinity." Or "Do you believe God has a name.?" Trying to stay one step ahead of you. Extremely sociopathic.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 awe. There is a lot more Bible (and check your book because it is not called a Bible) to be read. If you read from Genesis 1:1 to the very last of Revelations, it's a different story than the one you trust another fallible, uninspired man such as yourself to explain it to you. I pray for all your souls to be saved before it is eternally too late. Read the entire book of Acts. It will blow your mind!
I hear this strange scenario many times. But you ran into the wrong Jehovah's Witness. Let this Jehovah's Witness clarify you on this subject. You ask if a person had 3 minutes to live, what can he do to be saved. The answer is there is absolutely nothing that a person can do to be saved in 3 minutes. This is absolutely ridiculous and you are making a mockery of Jehovah and the ministry of Jesus. There is no magic words that a person needs to hurry up and say, so that he can be saved. And Jesus never, ever taught such foolishness in his ministry. Jesus plainly said that the one who does the Will of his Father is the one who will be saved. Matt.7:21 Not the one who hurries up and say some magic words, before he dies. Salvation is not depended on saying some magic words. And the men who died with Jesus were not saved. Jesus never, ever, said that they were saved. Jesus said that they, and I mean both of them, will be with him in paradise. You see, if you knew anything about the Millennial reign of Jesus, (Which apparently, you dont) then you would know who will be resurrected there and who will benefit from it. Jesus said that all those in the tombs will hear his voice and come out. John 5:28,29 And that includes the men who died with Jesus and anyone else who you think needs to say some magic words before they died. Acts 24:15 also says that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous. And the men who died with Jesus will be of the unrighteous ones who will be resurrected into the Millennial reign of Christ. They will be resurrected back to the earth, and there they will get their first, not second, real opportunity at everlasting life. And there, they will be taught and guided by Jesus to salvation. If they and billions of others respond favorably to the message that will be preached by Jesus during that time, and shows acts of repentance and start living a Godly life and do the Will of God, then they put themselves in line to be saved, if and when they do not follow the devil when he is released at the end of the Millennial reign. and they survive the Second death. It will be at that time that they can say that they are saved. Not 3 minutes before death because they said some magic words. The bible says that the knowledge of Jehovah will cover the earth as the waters covers the seas. This will be the message that Jesus will teach during the Millennial reign. And this will be mankind's first real opportunity at salvation. Because during this time, those who do the Will of God will not have to die and hope for a resurrection. But they will continue to live forever in this Paradise that Jesus talked about to the evildoer who died with him. And this opportunity is not just for those who have never heard the message about God. Because even for many people who have heard the message, they were not able to apply it to their lives to the extent as they will be able to do during the Millennial reign. And this is the good news that Jesus said would be preached to the World as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing in this time of the end. And this is indeed good news. Jesus did not tell anyone to hurry up and say some magic words before they died so that they can be saved. And Yes, we are saved by Grace. But that doesn't mean that we do not have to do anything to be saved. We still have to show God by our works and are willingness to do his Will, that we want him to be our God for all eternity. Faith without works is dead. And I might add, saying some magic words without works to back them up, is also dead.
There’s no “second chance resurrection.” This is one of many clearly false teachings from The Watch Tower. (Heb 9:27). Absolutely a person can be saved by repenting and believing on their deathbed, if their repentance and faith is genuine. I genuinely grieve for those in the false JW cult, and similar cults started around the same time in the 19th century. False teachings, failed prophecy, dodgy dealings of the WT. I’m so glad that many have escaped this lost group!
@@lionoffireraw You are NOT considering ALL of the scriptures that disagrees with this. Where does it say anywhere in the bible that a person can be saved just by saying some magic words. And if they are saved, where do they go to. Do you think that they go straight to heaven. Wow! What a mockery! And you have absolutely no understanding when the bible says that faith without works is dead. And you say nothing about the Millennial reign of Christ and what will happen there. You make God out to be some silly person who will let anyone who says some magic words to go to heaven and reign with Christ. Because the only persons who go to heaven are those who will reign with Jesus. Rev.20:4,6 And what exactly do you think will happen during the Millennial reign if everyone is judged as to where they will spend eternity, based on what they did in this present life. If that were the case, then there would be no need for the Millennial reign. And all of those people who never even heard of Jesus or Jehovah or read a bible, are just out of luck. And now do you see why Jesus did not choose your faith to preach this good news of the kingdom to the world. Because you have no concept of what the good news is. What you are teaching is NOT good news for the majority of people who are alive today and for those whom have died.
@@Allan_Inquires You talk about the judgement seat of God. But you fail to mention that this takes place after the Millennial reign of Christ. Did you purposely leave this out. We are not judged by what we do in this life. We are judged by what we do during the Millennial reign of Christ. You quote the last part of Revelation chapter 20. But the beginning of Revelation 20 talks about the 1000 year reign of Christ and it talks about the devil being released after the 1000 years. And this is when the judgement happens. This world ends with the great tribulation, in which only the chosen will survive. Matt.24:21,22 Just as in the flood of Noah's day. And they will be the foundation members of the Millennial reign of Christ. Rev.7:9-15 After this the resurrection of all mankind will happen during the Millennial reign.
Sounds confusing. He would be wondering what's up with the Ray Comfort impersonation. And then he would be thinking, "I met a nice guy today, I'm going to go home and make a wee video about it for youtube and make him sound clueless and ignorant because I know he will never get chance to explain his side of the conversation"... Oh, wait, no he wouldn't.
Hi Matt For so Many years you were passionate about talking to the JW but were far too ill. Now you are better and Godly intervention comes through, you have been blessed and are coming across some JW. Lately. You know exactly what to say at every moment, exposing their hypocrisy and total ignorance. I hope the JW. people come to realise the truth. Pleased for you, and love your messages. 🙏❤️
This sounds very similar to Calvinism to me. The Calvinists believe that there are some "reprobates" or whatever they call them who are people who will _never_ be saved (I don't know how they know this as some people accept Jesus on their death beds) and those people will have the judgement of God and are not even worthy to spend any time on.
He was looking at you with a blank look because that was a crazy question out of left field. He was probably wondering what you were getting at and what your point was. That’s what I’m wondering.
They don't know the verses because it's not important to them that you are saved. It is THEIR salvation that they are working for when they are spreading the propaganda and lies of the Watchtower. They are not taught to make deciples. They are taught to be deciples of the Watchtower. I almost cried last time I had a couple at my door, because I wanted to know how can you be saved? - I got the same answer as you did. But as usual it's not thought through and internalized, it's just something they learnt to say and think. They said at one point they were doing much better than the church, because "at least we give out flyers in person and not just in your mailbox". I then pressed the one that talked (coz it's only one that talks when they come at your door usually here), then how can I know I am saved? You can't, he said. There is no way to know. You just gotta do the works he is telling us and have the hope that it's been good enough. Their end-times teaching is all over the place, it's not biblical at all. Not even according to their own perverted translation. I really DO LOVE the JWs tho. I have failed many times in conversation with them tho, because it's so easy to get upset with them when they are not giving you ONE SINGLE STRAIGHT ANSWER and it feels like they twist inside out my own words. The reality is that they aren't listening to what you are saying when it comes to theological matters. What I've found to be way more successful is to talk to them about their personal histories. How they became witnesses etc. What is their story? Who is it really that I have before me at my door when you strip away the automatic propaganda spreading machine called JW? One lady came at me straight up and told me she became a witness because of the lack of love among those that claimed to be the church when she was young. That she came to them because she found comfort in the fact that they believe in annihilation. Why? Because her dad had died when she was 13 (iirc) and he was not a believer she said. And everyone around her told her that her dad was now in hell. She as a 13 year old girl could not bear the thought of that, so she left that faith, and was found by JW who told her to not worry, because her dad wasn't in hell, he was just no more, which was sad, but not horrifying as eternal torment, flames and brimstone and all that the others said he was experiencing. This is TRAGIC. Because I have found that either they have been in the organization their whole lives and just grew up in it and stayed there (you know there are horrible reasons for them being stopped from thinking too much on their own - like the shunning and their internal justice system), or it's preying on people in a bad situation. Extremely few people just walk in and become a member of their organization because they made an informed choice about believing their theology and not someone elses. I also talked to one on the phone during covid. He got angry with me for asking questions. I told him, dude, there's no need to be angry, and he was like - nooooo nooo I'm not angry. He was. :). I don't know. The very best way I can describe some of the conversations with them is like having a conversation with a mix of a human and an NPC.
I've had many conversations with JW's. It's true that truth slides off of them like they're made of teflon. It's because of their spiritual blindness. It requires the Holy Spirit to enable them to understand. All we can do is plant the seeds that in time may set them free. We can also pray that they will remember what we shared, and that it will bother them. This works--I've seen it. One JW told me, a couple weeks after I shared a verse with them, "I can't stop thinking about it."
To go along with my post below this one, some people like to believe in *once saved always saved.* The Bible never indicates this, but consistently shows we must keep faithful, and keep our integrity if we are to benefit from Jesus' ransom sacrifice. Jesus said this: (Matthew 24:13) But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. Is this true, and what he actually meant? Notice: (Hebrews 3:14) For we actually become partakers of the Christ only *if* we hold firmly down to the end the confidence we had at the beginning. Logically, *if* we do not hold firm, then the conclusion should be obvious. Coupled with this fact: (James 2:26) Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. With a live faith, with works that are good, God, through His word, the Bible, says this: Rom2:6 And he will pay back to each one according to his works: 7 everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good;
Works of righteousness can never be proof or evidence we are saved. There are many groups that do live righteous lives but haven’t trusted in Jesus as they are trusting in how they live as evidence of their place in heaven. No wonder the JW man was confused.
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience. This is the gospel of grace alone. ruclips.net/video/k_g1Z6q_f4M/видео.htmlsi=yjkxOzguRNqziGTI
It never made sense for Ray Comfort to use it for many years and it still doesn't make sense today. Nothing any human can say will ensure with any guarantee such a person will be resurrected. The judging is Jehovah and Jesus who will read their heart and if they are in the memorial tomb then they are remembered and will receive a resurrection.
It makes 100% sense. You’ve missed the entire point. It’s not about a human ensuring anything! It’s about preaching a message that can lead to the salvation of a person if they exercise faith. A person can have true faith in Christ, in their final moments, and be saved. The theology in your comment is incorrect. You misinterpret the verse about the resurrection! And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, (Hebrews 9:27) Don’t believe the lies of The Watch Tower!!
@lionoffireraw No it doesn't make sense. Here's why What is the culmination of that message supposed to do? Save right? Yet one you don't believe JW's and many others don't have the truth the message is of no consequence as to you it's a false gospel, two, get saved to go where Certainly not heaven as no biblical get around clause of John 3:3 and three, it's based on the criteria God and his Christ will use to judge You say "a message that can lead to the salvation of a person if they exercise faith." What does *exercise* mean to you? You say "A person can have true faith in Christ, in their final moments, and be saved" What message are you preaching in such a short time that you can guarantee any person accepting will be saved? I certainly didn't misquote Hebrews 9:27 as it was not mentioned or referenced. Jesus your God said "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice" ESV Therefore only those God has chosen to remember will be ressurected Why you have included Heb 9:27 I don't know, however, it is inescapable to avoid the death brought on by Adam's inherited sin therefore "appointed (apokeimai reserved for one, awaiting him) for man to die once" but when he dies again it is through Judgement through ones own action though knowing God's will. Isaiah 65:20 is a prophecy which states "but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed" (KJV) and verse 22 the promise to live like the "days of a tree" is the promise of a long life, if one is obedient or the former will happen. I am willing to hear you out if differs
Interesting conversation. I would have told him what I would tell the guy on the road with 3 minutes to live… see what he said to that. Thanks for this story ~ hope I run into a JW. Blessings to you.
JW do not read daily and systematically the Bible, because they they are busy in reading all the literature from the WT. They memorize isolated verses and explain them through the lens of the WT doctrine! Since, I dropped their literature and systematically studied the Bible, the veil was lifted and I understood that Jesus is as much God as the Father. He is thereby worth our worship like the Father! I began as well doing communion with Him. When I discovered that we are being lied to, I cried for 3 days. I begged Jesus in tears to forgive me for being blind! In the meanwhile, I wondered, how on Earth am I going to convince my family members and others!? Despite the evidence of the Scriptures, they won’t hear unless, it comes from the WT or the organisation! That is how bad, it is!The only hope I have left is Devine intervention through supplication prayers, supplication and fasting! So, help me Jesus!
A total bold lie. A blanket statement designed to smear and spread falsehood. I read the Bible everyday and many translations too. The NASB, KJV and NKJV and ASV this morning. Good grief. Stop the nonsense and deception.
I would imagine most people close to death would have a genuine conversion to Jesus. My grandpa did. He accepted the Lord on his deathbed and later we had some indications from the Lord that he was really a Christian when he passed. Sounds like this person you were talking to believes in a "works salvation".
The reason he couldn't make the distinction, was because the message you gave him was the exact same message he believes.... Works backloading the gospel. Works should have NO place in the gospel message. Ephesians 2:8-9 Who has bewitched you Galatians 3:3 KJV - Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh(Works)?
The JW's have a near 100% turnover rate over a few years. I don't recall the exact stat on that, but the point is that the ones who leave are left alienated from family and pretty much everyone else. Because of this, it's a good idea to try to be nice to them so that when they eventually leave the JW's they may see a real Christian community as a place to turn. From what I can tell, you were nice to them. I just thought I'd add this.
So untrue. We continue to grow and make disciples. You are looking at some false made statements on the internet and not in harmony with the real facts.
@@NickHawaii I am not looking at statements on the internet. I'm looking at actual statistics from the 1980's. Maybe something has changed within the JW organization to stop that bleeding, but I doubt it.
The answer to your question is straight forward and very good news if you are about to die the hope is in the resurrection you clearly would be in paradise
I AM NOT A JW BUT THIS SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ... Rev 12:17 (KJV) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. OR THIS ONE Rev 14:12 (KJV) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. WHY THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD? Eccl 12:13-14 (KJV) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. WHAT IS THE GRACE OF GOD? IT IS THE MERCY OF GOD HOW DO YOU RECEIVE HIS MERCY? BY BELIEVING IN HIS SON? HOW DO YOU BELIEVE IN HIS SON IF YOU NEVER MEET HIM? BY DOING THE COMMANDMENTS OG GOD WHAT ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD? THE 10 COMMANDMENTS NO ONE TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU CHRIST AND NO ONE COME TO CHRIST EXCEPT THE FATHER DRAW HIM TO CHRIST CHRIST SAID ... Matt 7:21 (KJV) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. TO RECEIVE GOD GRACE (MERCY) YOU HAVE TO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER IF YOU SIN WITHOUT THE LAW THEN YOU WILL PERISH WITOUT THE LAW AND IF YOU SIN HAVING THE LAW THEN YOU WILL BE JUDGE BY THE LAW GOD IS LOVE BUT HE IS ALSO A RIGHTEOUS JUDGE AND BECAUSE HE IS LOVE DOESN'T MEAN DOESN'T KILL THE WICKED THE GOD THAT LOVE HAVE TO HAVE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AGAINST EVIL PEOPLE THE 10 COMMANDMENT IS STILL IN EFECT EVEN IF YOU ARE TAUGHT THAT THEY ARE NOT NO ONE REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH GOD LOVE US ... THE HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON SO THAT WE MAY BELIEVE IN HIM AND IN HIS SON BUT AT THE SAME TIME EVERYONE WILL BE RESURRECT AND JUDGE ... THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO EVER LASTING LIFE BY THE MERCY OF GOD
@3:44 Segway to the thief on the cross account.... Luke 23:42-43 "Then he said to Jesus, 'Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.' And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.'" Today.... not after purgatory, not maybe, not after having some right performed over you. "'today you will be with Me in Paradise.'"
Your teaching is based on Calvinism. 1. Perseverance of the Saints: • Calvinism teaches that those who are truly elected by God and saved will persevere in faith until the end. This is based on the idea that salvation is solely the work of God, and what God begins, He will complete This assurance of perseverance implies that true believers will continue to grow in holiness and produce good works as evidence of their salvation. 2. Sanctification: • Sanctification is the process by which believers are gradually made more holy through the work of the Holy Spirit. According to Calvinist doctrine, this process is inevitable for those who are truly saved. Thus, the production of good fruits, or evidence of a transformed life, is a natural outcome of true faith and salvation. I call this backloading the Gospel. "Back-loading the gospel" refers to the idea of introducing works or human effort into the gospel message, not at the front end (as a requirement for salvation), but subtly, at the back end. This typically means that while one might initially preach salvation by grace through faith alone, there is an implicit or explicit addition that true believers must demonstrate their faith through certain behaviors or good works to confirm their salvation. This can be seen as a form of legalism where works are added as a necessary proof of genuine faith, thus undermining the purity of the gospel of grace. Here are the key aspects of "back-loading the gospel": 1. **Initial Presentation**: - The gospel is presented as salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone, without the requirement of works to earn salvation. 2. **Subsequent Expectations**: - After one professes faith, there is an expectation or requirement that believers must produce certain good works or live in a specific manner to confirm or validate their salvation. 3. **Theological Implications**: - This can lead to confusion and anxiety among believers, who might begin to question their salvation based on their performance rather than trusting in Christ's finished work. - It risks shifting the focus from Christ's sufficiency in salvation to the believer's ongoing efforts, thus subtly implying that grace alone is not sufficient. 4. **Comparison with Biblical Teaching**: - The Bible teaches that salvation is by grace through faith apart from works. 5. **Calvinism and Assurance**: - In Calvinism, the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints emphasizes that true believers will persevere in faith and good works as a result of God's grace, not as a prerequisite or proof to maintain salvation. In essence, back-loading the gospel distorts the message of grace by subtly reintroducing a form of works-righteousness. Salvation rests solely on the finished work of Christ and is received by faith alone.
No, I’m not a Calvinist. There is a difference. No, this is not “backloading.” That’s a made up term. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience.
@@lionoffireraw how do you determine if someone is saved? What works must someone do to show that they are saved? "Backloading the gospel" is a term used primarily within evangelical Christian circles, often in debates about the nature of salvation and works. It generally refers to the idea of subtly introducing works as a requirement for salvation after initially presenting salvation as a free gift of grace through faith. This concept is often criticized because it can undermine the doctrine of justification by faith alone, making salvation contingent upon human effort. ### Origins and Usage 1. **Debates on Grace and Works**: The term emerges from theological discussions, particularly among Protestant evangelicals, about the proper relationship between faith and works. It is often used to critique views that, while affirming salvation by grace, suggest that certain behaviors or works are necessary to maintain or prove one's salvation. 2. **Key Theological Contexts**: - **Reformed Theology**: Within Reformed circles, there is a strong emphasis on salvation by grace alone through faith alone. "Backloading the gospel" is used to guard against any suggestion that works play a role in securing or proving salvation. - **Free Grace Movement**: This movement argues for a clear distinction between faith and works in the salvation process. They emphasize that works are not necessary for salvation but are a result of genuine faith. They often use the term "backloading the gospel" to criticize teachings they see as conflating justification (being declared righteous by faith) with sanctification (the process of becoming holy). ### Biblical Basis and Theological Concerns - **Justification by Faith Alone**: Critics of "backloading the gospel" often point to key scriptural passages such as Ephesians 2:8-9 ("For by grace you have been saved through faith... not a result of works") and Galatians 2:16 ("a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ"). - **James 2:14-26**: This passage, which discusses faith and works, is often central to the debate. It asserts that "faith without works is dead," which some interpret as meaning that genuine faith naturally produces good works, without suggesting that works are a condition for salvation. ### Contemporary Concerns - **Maintaining the Purity of the Gospel**: The main concern with "backloading the gospel" is that it might distort the simplicity and purity of the gospel message, which proclaims salvation as a free gift of God's grace, not dependent on human performance. - **Pastoral and Evangelistic Implications**: In pastoral and evangelistic contexts, there is a need to clearly communicate that while good works are the fruit of salvation, they are not a precondition or a means to secure it. This ensures that individuals understand the gospel as the unconditional good news it is meant to be. In summary, "backloading the gospel" is a critique of any theological stance that seems to reintroduce works as necessary for salvation after initially presenting it as solely based on grace through faith. It is a concept rooted in the Protestant emphasis on justification by faith alone and aims to preserve the gospel's integrity by keeping the focus on Christ's completed work rather than human effort.
And not to say that these people all don’t want to actively save people BUT the organization forces them to go out and preach. If they don’t they are shunned. Going out preaching because you Have constant negative consequences held over your head isnt works produced by faith it’s works produced by fear.
The Bible teaches that Noah preach to people for many decades and no one listen to him! 40 days of rain and Bible says all mankind died! Jehovah's Witnesses do the hard work of going door-to-door looking for people like this guy just sits at home waiting for the JWs to find him, and all he does is criticize them, just like the days of Noah, people criticized him as well
Figurati... un asino🐴 conosce il proprio sentiero👣👣👣, purtroppo questi non riconoscono un asino 🐴 da un fico!! Per questo il Cristo quando ebbe fame, non trovando nella pianta 🌱 neanche un fico.., la maledì!!
Your use of Ray Comfort is consistent with the faith alone view propagated by Huldriech Zwingli in 1523. Before Zwingli baptism was considered the work of God and the time God's grace was conferred on man. Colosians 2:11-14 says: In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
May I also add that there is a spirit of darkness over the Jehovah's witnesses. That darkness makes them uneasy to discuss at length or reason with you. Hence, the confusion.
I used to work with a man who was the head of the local mormon church...he flat would tell me that all Muslims were saved ""they just came a different way "....but than would say that the repentant theif on the cross didn't actually go to heaven. ""Because paradise was a different place"...also once when I was really worried about going to hell he said ""no your ok hell is only for really bad people "... trouble was he was really skilled in the scriptures.. unlike me..even though I knew he was wrong
You left a seed, bless you. Hebrews 9:27, Romans 1:20 and Revelation 20:5 are clear that we don't get second chances. The J. W's tragically listen to nine men in N.Y that spew this nonsense through their publications instead of exegeting scripture like we are commanded to do. I speak to them online all the time and they hang their hat on getting a second chance.
@@NickHawaii at what? Eternal life ? Lazerus already believed in Jesus and don't you think Jarus' daughter and the family would have believed after that miracle?
Does Ephesians 2:8-9 really say we are saved by grace alone through faith alone? It doesn't say that in my bible. Hmm. Sounds like another gospel to me. Abrahams faith was credited to him as righteousness. So what kind of faith did he have? What did he do with Gods commandment to sacrifice Isaac? What are you doing with Acts 2:38? Have you read it? Have you done it? If not, you are not saved brothers and sisters. Time is short, and it's time to obey God.
If that man who was dying truly did accept Christ and his heart was changed he would be saved. Were his life to be spared, and he was converted to Christ, then he would do those actions that are becoming of a disciple of Christ, meaning he would do what the Lord was prompting him to do. Those promptings are unique to each and every individual. A heart that truly accepts Christ will be changed and will follow Him.
@@Pimping9167 Why did Jesus teach, "If ye love me, keep my commandments"? On the heels of that question, I would ask, do good and evil exist? Or, asked in another way, are we fallen from God and are we need of repentance and forgiveness? Why was Jesus sent to offer salvation and from what?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I never said it was up to me. So I agree with you. In fact, what I said is that it is between the person and the Lord. No mortal person can "save" another.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Which kind of exposes the absurdity of asking the question of a dying man in this predicament in the first place. While the video focuses on the response of the JW guy, maybe we should scrutinize the validity of the question itself. Is deathbed repentance a thing? Only if the person's heart is in the right place and only God knows that.
We must keep in mind Revelation ch 3 verse 5 The strong implication is that if we don’t overcome, Jesus WILL blot out our names from the book of the living.’ And so we’ll lose our salvation.
Interesting talk but get use to the confusion you will see a lot of it throughout life. And on utub. I started out studying a lot of religions. Don't try to understand them just go with it, because they won't hear you no matter what you show them. But don't give up, we still have one second left to hopefully bring someone Home with us... We never know the second Jesus will call...
If a man is willing to take is own life because of suffering and another man is willing to endure the suffering. Who will you gift life to? Accepting Jesus mean you are willing to do what he requires of you, that is teaching others or preaching the good news. What is the good news? Life everlasting and the kingdom of God. What happened when you don't teach people about the good news you have heard? Judgment, because the others are to die cos you fail to teach the good news ( the kingdom of God).
@@lionoffireraw Heb 9:28 ISV so the Messiah was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people. And he will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly wait for him. So when did he appear ? The day of Atonement, the high priest had to come out of the holy of holies
Matt- you misquoted Ephesians 2:8/9. You added the word alone after grace and faith, just as Martin Luther tried to do. Are you not doing what the JWs do, propagating what they believe by adding or changing words. I believe you are a good faithful Christian and have a somewhat good understanding of scriptures but please be accurate when quoting them lest you mislead some. Thanks- keep up the good work-John
It says we are saved by grace, through faith. The verse adds nothing to grace and faith. This is saying we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. It also says NOT of works. It can’t be any clearer!
Sounds like you did a great job and really gave him a pebble in the shoe, so to speak. Definitely JWs don't learn about Ephesians 2:8-9 from Watchtower because it so completely contradicts what they are taught to believe. Keep him in your prayers, and pray he will encounter more Christians who continue to witness to him. God bless!
I was raised as a JW and my dad was an elder. I remember asking the exact same question a number of times and it NEVER made sense. I used to say, "aren't we actually ruining more people's chances to be saved by knocking on doors?" Somehow the answer was "no." It always bothered me😂
The problem is that they're brainwashed into believing that any kind of criticism/questioning against what they believe is persecution, which is confirmation that they are correct. It's complicated but that's what is drummed in. This is what leads to these confusing, circular arguments or arguments where they seem to constantly change their minds and not make any sense. The ones who will listen are the ones who already have certain nagging doubts. The governing body has been warning people against this as well for a while. "Do not become an apostate!" "Do not speak to apostates!" "Satan uses XYZ to trick you into losing your faith and you will not let that happen!" Talking to JWs can be so difficult that I've personally given up. That doesn't mean everyone else should though. I'm glad you brought this topic up because I've not heard it mentioned enough
Thank you for sharing: I’m a former JW now a born again Christian believer. I talk to JW and record the conversations. You are right, they don’t grasp what you are saying because they are in spiritual darkness. But Jesus sets them free ❤️
I am also born again Christian. But our church is the church of Thyatira. Satan make his full force to make is us like a fool. He deceived us because we don't believe and accept the truth about Jesus.
I noticed every churches tell everyone what wrong with the other, they have part of true but they also under the deception of Satan because they don't believe the all truth.
Satan tactics is he quotes truth but he mix with a lie and that is trong delusion.
My testimony is not the same to you, because I born in born again Christian. A Full Gospel Church. When I receive the promise of Jesus the Spirit of truth no pastors or man lay their hand to me. They try to pray with me to receive the baptism of the fire but they are all failed. But Jesus gave me his promise but no man know that because it is not inside the church and I am alone. while I don't stop and asking why and who really Jesus is. The strange thing happened like he grap me to he bring me to the beginning and I saw how the creation begin. Jesus testify on me that he is the first and he is also the last creation of God, because Jesus said he is the beginning of the creation of God. It means he is the first creation and the last because through him all are created. He teach me also who is the only true God and that is his Father. That is why the Trinity God is his not teaching it only gave the believer a lukewarm faith to him.
By the way Jesus already testified to the churches like he said in Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Jesus testify who he was and also Jesus testify who is the overcomer and it is in your church.
After a years I read the revelation and after I read the testimony of Jesus to the 7 churches I receive and I hold it tight what his promise to who overcome. And when I read the rev 12 I saw my self in that situation. That is my spiritual birth. I cried it even know I remembered it that is why I make my self busy to not remember my spiritual birth.
I do everything to find Jesus but Jesus found me.
I know my testimony is against to my church but that is the truth. When I found the deception of satan to our church I'm happy but when I try to tell it they think something about me. I just telling my testimony.
I am also born again Christian. But our church is the church of Thyatira. Satan make his full force to make is us like a fool. He deceived us because we don't believe and accept the truth about Jesus.
I noticed every churches tell everyone what wrong with the other, they have part of true but they also under the deception of Satan because they don't believe the all truth.
Satan tactics is he quotes truth but he mix with a lie and that is trong delusion.
My testimony is not the same to you, because I born in born again Christian. A Full Gospel Church. When I receive the promise of Jesus the Spirit of truth no pastors or man lay their hand to me. They try to pray with me to receive the baptism of the fire but they are all failed. But Jesus gave me his promise but no man know that because it is not inside the church and I am alone. while I don't stop and asking why and who really Jesus is. The strange thing happened like he grap me to he bring me to the beginning and I saw how the creation begin. Jesus testify on me that he is the first and he is also the last creation of God, because Jesus said he is the beginning of the creation of God. It means he is the first creation and the last because through him all are created. He teach me also who is the only true God and that is his Father. That is why the Trinity God is his not teaching it only gave the believer a lukewarm faith to him.
By the way Jesus already testified to the churches like he said in Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
Jesus testify who he was and also Jesus testify who is the overcomer and it is in your church.
After a years I read the revelation and after I read the testimony of Jesus to the 7 churches I receive and I hold it tight what his promise to who overcome. And when I read the rev 12 I saw my self in that situation. That is my spiritual birth. I cried it even know I remembered it that is why I make my self busy to not remember my spiritual birth.
I do everything to find Jesus but Jesus found me.
I know my testimony is against to my church but that is the truth. When I found the deception of satan to our church I'm happy but when I try to tell it they think something about me. I just telling my testimony.
How much does it cost you to pay somebody to talk about Jesus to you? Watch the movie SPOTLIGHT with Michael Keaton
Jehovah's Witnesses could say the exact same thing about you, at least JW's have the backbone to go out preaching
@@jeffnoble9757aren’t JW’s required to spend a certain amount of hours going door to door preaching?
I felt sad for that man. The thought that came to me was that confusion comes from the enemy not God. I pray God would open his eyes and enlighten him.
to what? the "the truth" of the watch tower?
Oh I can see now that that would be an ambiguous response that I made.
I was thinking I would pray for the older gentleman who was the JW, that he would start to see the truth of Jesus, in the traditional Christian sense rather than the JW sense.
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Jesus always has someone God to him. Jehovah is his Name. (Psalm 83:18)
Jesus is the Son of the highest. (Luke 1:32)
Pray about that.
@@NickHawaiisorry but I'm not sure what you meant by your first sentence. (Jesus always has someone got to him.)
Yes the name of God is definitely Jehovah or Yahweh. And Jesus is the unique son of God. God in human form come to save us from our sin. 🙂
I am a ex jw and I love Jesus Christ so very much
He loves you, Brother!✝️❤️
I worked with a guy who claimed to be an xjw, but he left as an 8 year old kid
@@jeffnoble9757 They are indoctrinated as babies so don't take what he said lightly. Most of those kids can spout huge amounts indoctrination about what they think the bible says. They are put in something called a theocratic school at a young age.
Why are you an ex Jehovah Witness? Why? What did you do to be an ex JW?
Since you love Jesus Christ, DO YOU OBEY THE COMMAND HE GAVE AT ACTS 1 v 8? Do you know that, he who claim to know him yet they do not obey his commands is a liar and the truth is not in him? ( 1 John 2 v 4)
What about Acts 5 v 42, Acts 20 v 20? Would you say that Matthew 10 v 11 to 15, pertain to you or JEHOVAH witnesses?
Was one for many years, you cannot be saved unless you're a Jehovah's Witness. They won't say that to your face, but in the heart of all diehard members that is it. The free gift of Christ comes with lifetime interest from this group, and people give up their entire lives and dreams chasing the watchtower carrot.
You are misleading people about what Jehovah's Witnesses believe!! The Bible clearly teaches that there's a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous. Why do you mislead people??
@@jeffnoble9757Speaking from experience it’s known that what the bible teaches and what they teach are quite often very different.
@@jeffnoble9757I think you need to listen again as you seem to have missed the point. Either that or you’ve never heard the true Christian gospel about forgiveness of sins through Christ. He is the mediator for all mankind and we can trust him to save us; we don’t need an organisation.
Yet you can't give even One EXAMPLE, you should be ashamed of yourself
@@jeffnoble9757 1. Hebrews 1:5 NWT/JW’s teach Jesus is Michael the Archangel
2. Matthew 8:11/JW’s teach prospects of heavenly life began at Pentecost 33CE
3. John 6:53-57 NWT/JW’s teach only those with a heavenly hope should partake of the emblems
4. Zechariah 2:10 NWT and 2 Corinthians 6:16 NWT/ Jesus or God??
5. Matthew 11:27 NWT/JW’s teach Jesus enthroned in 1914. Matthew 24:45-47 NWT if so what’s the purpose of the self proclaimed Governing Body aka F&DS?
Well done!
I’m sure you gave him something to think about.
It may take many such seeds of truth to get them thinking.
Don’t give up!
I was a Jehovah’s Witnesses for over 30!years and I bead a die hard witness. I left the Org in 2022 and became a Christian.
I now expose the Watchtower on my own RUclips channel.
I’m glad I found your channel . I enjoyed your video.❤
You mean you quit being a true Christian and became an apostate pagan, get the story straight.
i was a JW for over 20 years..basically according to their teaching, there are 3 groups of people..the righteous (who know the will of God and do it); the unrighteous ( who do not know the will or God so do not do it) and the wicked (who know the will of God but refuse or just don't do it). In John 5:28, 29 where it says there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, means the righteous of course are resurrected (to a ressurection of life) and the unrighteous are resurrected so that they will have an opportunity to learn the will of God and do it so they may become righteous.. the wicked are not worthy of a resurrection because they have already received their judgement.. not sure if that clears up any confusion but this is their official teaching.. at least when i was in..i have been out for 8 yrs now.. thankfully..
That is well put .....you've got it ,finally ......and usually we only figure these doctrines out after twenty years of Watchtower Subjugation ........that's how they string us along 😮😮😮
Thank you for sharing. That’s really interesting. I sort of worked that out through the conversation, but it was very confusing to get to that place. I didn’t know they believed that doctrine.
Don't you find it insulting the way these people talk about what you believe for over 20 years. I was in Vegas for the super bowl and saw several groups of Jehovah's Witnesses they were clean cut acting civilized, I saw Jesus people screaming on the sidewalk with megaphone saying you're all going to hell over and over again like mental patients, I tried to talk to one of them he was screaming at me with his megaphone, he couldn't act civilized for even one moment
You are right thats what i was taught by them.
You were never in
My family is Italian, they had a few JW weekly visitors, one of them was an elderly yougoslavian named uncle joe, he always came to spead the word etc... even in minus -35deg C weather. My mom and dad always invited him in, my dad would say tell us something good but dont take out any books and leaflets. My dad would go to the cellar and bring up 2 bottles of wine. One they drank at the table and the other was for uncle Joe to take home. The man was always thankful and even ate dinner with us. He was never pushy or rude and never overstepped my dad s rules. He passed away and my folks felt bad they didnt know about his funeral. His replacement(s) are not the same. My folks were great people and always respected everyone.
Your folks are great people, I can tell that!! My in-laws and wife was old school Italian immigrants and they did the same kind of thing, everybody was served whatever they wanted up to the brim, and always hospitable. I miss them so very much. 😢
That poor man was out in minus 35 degree weather because he had no choice , up until recently that had to make a quota each month.
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Not true. Love is what motivates. Just trying to smear the man and judge his intentions. Not good. He would still be preaching. Nothing changed. You just makes excuses while the witnesses make disciples. He sounds like a good man who cared about others. Don’t dump on him and his memory when he can’t even defend himself. But a good look.
@@NickHawaii Nick if that were true then there wouldn't be any exjw's.
Yet there are literally thousands of testimonies of people that have left the org because it's unloving and high control . Think about the last decision that was made about women wearing pants and guys beards, not a single person thought to themselves we are grown people why do we have to be told by nine men in New York, USA that we can do these things now? Really? They control your very thoughts, how you live , how you dress what you can say or not say!
If there were just a person here and there complaining then someone can just shrug it off as a disgruntled person but when it's thousands of people saying the same thing? You can dig your head in the dirt but you're not fooling anyone that's allowed to think for themselves. A high control group is defined by a small group of men not allowing questions and there's no honorable way to leave the group without shunning and sometimes losing your life.
God doesn't have an org and He doesn't force us to love Him by guilting people into staying in an org.
When I have the opportunity to speak with people from the Kingdom Hall, I ask if they are born again. When they say No, because only 144000 are born again, I refer them to John 3, where Jesus says that unless a person is born again, they can not understand or enter the Kingdom of God. In other words, unless they are born again, they have no place in the Kingdom (and a Kingdom Hall for such people makes no sense). My aim is that these people would believe Jesus rather than the tract society that produces the material they read.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 you make empty statements full of deception. You never back up your lies with facts. You are a waste of oxygen. Prove using the codex vaticanus your empty statement. I challenge you to an online debate. The subject, prove jesus is michael the archangel as stated by jw liars
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Just for the moment, let's set aside what 'born of the spirit' might mean, and notice that, whatever it means, Jesus said that unless this birth comes to a person, that person will never understand/see or enter the Kingdom of God. If you or I are not so born, we will never (in no way) see or enter that Kingdom. A person is either in the Kingdom or in the outer darkness. A person is either in the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom or Satan. Do you believe Jesus?
@@blackukulele He is notorious for injecting the same cut and past into the longer replies comments and with videos UNRELATED to what he is posting. I would ingnor him. He does a LOT of CUT and PASTE SPAMMING and the community of believers in Christ and exjw’s ignore him.
Don't be ridiculous, all First century Christians were of the 144,000 so the Scripture at John 3 applies to them only, they all had the Heavenly destiny. That group is complete so no one else is truly "born again". Mainstream religions can't comprehend that truth that JW's have understood for many decades.
Of course Jesus said that, everyone who became a Christian in the first century was "born again", anointed with Holy Spirit and destined for Heaven. They were ALL of the 144,000, Jesus was gathering only those who would comprise his Kingdom but that doesn't apply to people today, that group has been gathered and completed.
No one else is "born again", no one else is going to Heaven, you are wrong.
I'm really enjoying your videos, very practical messages and your presentation is like we're having a chat with you. I'm still working on watching your older videos. Thanks for allowing us to spend time with you.
Thank you so much for sharing this! I hope that man thought about what you said and the Bible verses you showed him, and that he talked about it with his wife too. My heart just breaks for JW's. 😢
The reason you're confused and he's confused is because witnesses don't use the same terminology for a theological beliefs. Witnesses are very smart when it comes to their own theology but in terms of the larger umbrella of Christianity they really don't know theological terms in the way they're meant to be used.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not smart in what they believe. They are brainwashed, by hearing the same crap over and over again, so that they can repeat the answer before the question is done being asked. But they really do not know what they believe, because they are told what to believe and the Bible verses they use, are cherry picked out of context to support their indoctrinated narrative. hey are clueless when you go off script with them.
exactly. JWs are well versed in their pet come-back scriptures, such as the idea of "works" from a stringent take on a single verse in James. one verse to them overrides all of the other verses that suggest grace. they truly blaspheme the Christ by denying what he did for us as a gift. they really don't know all of the scriptures everyone else knows by heart, nor the terminology. I was a former JW and I didn't pay attention to those verses until I left and read the bible myself without the filters.
@@m1ndphaser yep. I'm an exjw as well
@@Mr.DC3.1914 but that's just it. They're not. They're the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 one day, you will wake up from the blindness. 1914 is a false doctrine
JWs have such skewed beliefs. I love that you approached them and if you do visit his hall, please keep us posted. I know you are not shy to have straightforward conversations...
I have been on the receiving end of the pamphlets and oi vey, it is confusing indeed
Nothing confusing at all. Just need to take time and study and find out.
I heard Ray Comfort use the exact same analogy (ie “I’ve just been stabbed in the back. I have just 3 minutes to live…”) The concept of Grace is very difficult for humans to grasp before we are Christian. “I did way more than you, so I deserve more than you.” is a common feeling. It really takes the Holy Spirit to make us realize than none of us can meet God’s Standard. However, his Grace is truly remarkable. I pray you have planted a seed in that Jehovah’s Witness despite the confusion. God bless you!
I actually used this example because of Ray Comfort 😃
Wow. Talk about seeing but not perceiving and hearing but not understanding. Blinded and lost.
Can you be more specific?@@Shining_Brightly
@@Mr.DC3.1914 So why did Jesus die on the cross. If he isn't God he can't forgive sin. Was he just exercising on the cross? He conquered sin and death by being resurrected. All the cults try to take away Jesus's divinity.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 All the cultists take away Jesus ‘s divinity away. So I guess if Jesus isn’t Divine than he wasted his time on the cross . It takes a divine entity to forgive sin. This is the reason the Pharisee had Jesus killed because he claimed to be God and forgave sin … it’s obvious you are not saved because you have not the wisdom to understand the Trinity Jesus said he is the Alpha and the Omega in Revelation and the Father said it in Isaiah. I hope you make it to Heaven
Only Jesus is our Saviour!
No his God too saves. See Revelation 7:10
Jesus is our Savior. There's NOT ANOTHER NAME Under the heavens UNDER the heavens ( which is where we are) given among men by which we must get saved. ( Acts 4:10-12)
Luke 2:11 also says that Jesus is a Saviour.
But look at what Jehovah said in Isaiah 43:11. I - I AM Jehovah,and besides ME there is NO Saviour.
You guys might want to change some of this stuff in your next translation. You should have done like the Mormons and just wrote your own bible, you wouldn't have all these contradictions.
Cognitive dissonance 😢 they are mindless robots for the watchtower realestate business
It is very difficult to argue against this. Very many of them do not know, and they do not even care.
It is extremely unsuitable for them to scrutinise JW Watchtower HQ.
Amen
I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness in the 80s. Trust me, everything about it is nonsensical.
Nonsensical as opposed to what? The other hundreds of flavours of Christianity?
@@PeeOrbital and then there is the atheistic alternative that is giving us litter boxes in public restrooms for those who identify as kittens or puppies......
@@hayfieldhermit9657 Um…yeah, you do know that’s not actually happening, right? 😂
@@PeeOrbital there is only ONE flavor of Christianity. Religion, man-made organizations, are the flavors that affect the basic concept the Bible teaches.
Wrong, I've been a JW for 50 years and there is NO better way to live, we have accurate knowledge.
I have years of experience with them and I know exactly what you need to ask them and what resources to use. I also have plenty of resources with me that I regularly use to share with them and I also know what their theology teaches. They are difficult but not impossible to reach.
Can you write some comments below about what you would ask them, and what resources you would use?
There's more than just a simple misunderstanding of Biblical theology here.
If we just show them the right scriptures in the right order they will believe.
No, they just double down and run into the Watchtower castle walls for comfort.
There's a huge emotional impact of facing ostracizedment from the organization, friends, family and even the New Earth, if not Heaven. A difficult pill to swallow.
For God, they're not impossible, for Man to convince them otherwise, good luck.
In my opinion, they're more likely to be persuaded by arguments from ex-JWs.
You can beat your head against the wall or you can hand them a nice book from an Ex-JW, if they will privately read it, because they're not supposed to read any non-Watchtower literature.
@@lionoffireraw The best thing to use is their own translation of the bible, especially their app that you can download.
The other thing to do is to look for where the translation is not altered and avoid verses like John 1:1. My suggestion is to use the corresponding verses in the books of Isaiah and revelation that reveal who is Jehovah and then the ones that are similar that are about Jesus and ask them questions firsthand and then follow up with them as you go. If you want other verses to help you I would suggest you use Melissa Doherty. I might post another one for you to read and then study to use.
Interesting conversation. Thank you, Matthew, for providing Biblical guidance!
Exjw here. The word grace is never used and they don’t understand it. Their Governing Body teaches works are essential and even then don’t guarantee salvation. It’s designed for them to be slaving for their religion and completely ignores the gift Jesus has already given.
I tell Jehovah's Witnesses to go through the narrow gate that is on the cramped road leading to life.
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Matthew 7:13-14
“Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road ** LEADING OFF INTO LIFE ** and few are the ones finding it.
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I ask them to read what Jehovah said would happen at the time of the end that is in every Christians bible and yet, few are the ones finding it:
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Isaiah 66:5
Hear the word of Jehovah, YOU men who are trembling at his word: “YOUR brothers that are hating YOU, that are excluding YOU by reason of my name, said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified!’ He must also appear with rejoicing on YOUR part, and they are the ones that will be put to shame.”
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[Name of person] is no longer one of JEHOVAH's Witnesses ---->> "excluding YOU by reason of MY NAME"
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I ask them if they can see Jehovah's promise to disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses:
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"He must also appear with rejoicing on YOUR part"!
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I then warn them that, if they go through this narrow gate they will lose their family as a consequence of the Watchtower Societies shunning policies.
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Then I ask them to read what Jesus Christ said about everlasting life:
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Mark 10:29-30
Jesus said: “Truly I say to YOU men, No one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news 30 who will not get a hundredfold now in this period of time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and fields, with persecutions, and in the coming system of things ** EVERLASTING LIFE **
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I then ask them if they want to live forever.
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I also tell them that they can leave the organization and their congregation with dignity by telling everybody that they believe Jehovah, Jesus Christ and everything else in the bible.
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Walk out with your head held high and jump for joy when you do.
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What Jehovah said would happen, is now really happening!
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That's Good News ................... right!
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Jesus said: “Truly I say to YOU men, No one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOOD NEWS.
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"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" - James 2:20
@@gunkulator1 Eph. 2:8 For it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith,...not by works so that no one can boast. The old law covenant was based on works, and the Jews could not keep it perfectly, thus they could never be saved by works alone. The new covenant is based on faith in Jesus Christ. Works are a result of having faith, but works cannot save us.
@@eyeswideopen8570 You're missing the point. If you have no works, then you have no faith, despite what you may claim otherwise. Christians are to be known by their love. Simply professing faith and bearing testimony is insufficient. A real living faith moves the spirit to act. Always. A lack of deeds in an outward sign of a lack of faith. Because of this, it is wise to ignore those who claim to be Christians but have no works to back it up. They are charlatans.
I have spoken to them before showing them the truth a few times. They no longer come to my house. Although a month ago they tried to stop me while I was walking my dog and I told them I was good and already knew Jesus. They did start following me but then turned and walked the other way.
I usually tell people like this I’m already a Christian. I don’t have what it takes to debate with these guys.
Wow what a great question . I’m sure he understood your question . The fact that he couldn’t answer it left him puzzled . He’ll think about it I’m sure . … They are so used to patting themselves on the back on Sundays where they essentially believe they are the only ones who will be saved and the rest of the world will be destroyed that when confronted with a reality check question they are dumbfounded.
Thankyou Matt, this was very interesting and informative. I found it very helpful, I never know what to say to them, but this was brilliant. Sad that so many are being deceived by them .
Bless you for being able to do this. I don't think I could personally "have a conversation" with a Jehovah's witness. That kind of stuff is NOT my calling. LOL
Don't you feel sorry for them? Don't you want them to know the love of Jesus Christ and to have eternal life?? Where is the love for the lost? As born again Christians, we ALL are called to share the Gospel.
I do but I have a difficult time with the debate it takes to get there with people like this. They’re not going to be open to our message.
@@AngelaVEdwards We just sew the seed, another waters and God saves! It's not our job to convince them, the power is in the Gospel itself. And many people do come out of false religions! I'm one! When I heard the true GOSPEL of Jesus Christ and not some watered down message, the Holy Spirit convicted me and I was saved, born again and free! Please don't think they won't be open - we don't know that. It's a process for most people. ❤️✝️🛐
@Angela I agree with you. I do have the theological chops and have debated them extensively, but I just avoid them now.
Yes, I feel sorry for them, but if they are reading the same book as I am for decades and still not getting it, there's nothing I can do. Simply repeating the same scriptures back at them isn't doing anything.
In order for them to change they need to find out that the Watchtower is pulling the wool over their eyes, there needs to be an emotional disconnect with The Watchtower that is greater than the ostracizedment they will face leaving the organization. Acquaintances, friends, and family still in the organization, will not speak with you or have anything to do with you once you leave the Watchtower castle walls. Simply telling them the WatchTowers not telling you the truth won't do it either.
The fundamental issue with JWs is they don’t believe Jesus is God. Without that revelation you are lost. It is this very revelation that saved the thief on the cross. He changed his mind about who this person was hanging next to him. This is what repentance means. It doesn’t mean being sorry for your sins, it literally means to change one’s mind. The Greek word is metanoia.
It’s a change of mind that leads to a change of action. Had the thief come down from the cross, we would have seen evidence of his transformer mind/heart.
@@lionoffirerawCouldn’t agree more. But as he didn’t have that opportunity to do anything other than hang in the cross and wait to die, the account of the thief on the cross completely refutes all claims of ‘salvation = faith +’. He didn’t do any works, he didn’t get baptised, he didn’t speak in tongues. He simply believed on Jesus. He changed his mind about who he was hung next to.
@@lionoffireraw knowing JW they believe the same thing. The Father is the one who draws a person to Jesus. If you had a change of heart 2 mins b4 death He would know it and the gift would be your future life.
I do not want to know the amount of souls that are going to be lost because of this kind of teaching. These people have no respect for God and His Word.
It's sad and scary all at the same time.
The Bible says that in the days of Noah, no one listen to Noah, and millions of people had over a month to repent, and the Bible says that All mankind died. It's always the Jehovah's witness that is doing the hard work of going door-to-door looking for people, it's easy for this guy to sit home doing nothing but waiting for JWS to find him,so that he can criticize them, by telling only one side of the story. Similar to listening to only Democrats talk about Republicans and what they stand for.. it's always derogatory
Where does the bible say that no one listened to Noah?
There's no point going around, knocking on doors, giving false messages and claiming they are from the Bible.
@@RiverDanube you sound a bit Bible illiterate, the Bible says the good news Will be preached in all the inhabited Earth for witness to all the nations before the comes. JWS"giving false messages"you didn't give one example Einstein. Watch the movie SPOTLIGHT with Michael Keaton it shows what the clergy class does behind closed doors, that's something to be upset about. Also watch the movie HAWAII in 1820 missionaries stole all the land from the Hawaiians and became fabulously wealthy. But hypocrites like you look the other way
@@jeffnoble9757 So strong and proud about your organized recruitment work 😂😂 You people do human sacrifice to WT and reject Christ every year under the Full Moon.
Hi Matt, yes, have witnessed to JW folk in past. Shared the gospel in love with them. Blessings to you and yours❤❤❤~
Marjorie
To be fair, and not to support JW-ism, it seems that you encountered a JW who wasn’t good at thinking quickly on his feet.
God doesn’t expect us to be answer man and especially if he was older like Matt said. Saying things like he should have remembered Ephesians 2. Not fair or cool to do that. I talk to people all the time who have no idea what they are talking about or can find a scripture. Doesn’t mean they don’t have the truth or that I’m right. Trying to make a theological pretzel out of someone and telling the world what you did doesn’t mean anything.
The most striking part of this interaction is that the 2 women left the guy alone. They NEVER do that so they can be able to pull the other out of the conversation. It's always confusing talking to these people but we must continue to do so!
I am an ex Elder who disassociated in 2023. Jehovah’s Witnesses use a Bible called the NWT Bible which is completely different than any other translation. They change scriptures to make Jesus appear to be not God himself and a creation of the father they claim to be Jehovah.
They sell a hope of everlasting on here earth but according to Paul at Philippians 3:20 we will go to heaven.
I have spoken to many JW’s since I left but I don’t tell them I am an ex elder because if they know you are an ex Jw they are trained to leave and walk away. I instead tell them to read the book of John and tell me Jesus is not God… they can’t!
I'm so happy you found the Truth of the Lord Jesus Christ! 🙌🙌💖🛐
Yes, John 1:1 in the NWT says, "The Word is A God" to support their narrative 🙄.
@@heatherruiz9490 Yup! If you ever encounter a JW ask them how many Gods there are in the Bible. If they say One then great! The problem is they won’t admit Jesus is God but John 1:1 even in their translation says Jesus Is a God.
JW’s have a hard time fathoming that scripture. Even doubting Thomas calls Jesus God at John 20:28
yay..so thrilled you are now free.. welcome to freedom!..my husband, an elder and pioneer for several years and i, a good elder's wife and also pioneer for several years, have been out 8 yrs now and when i look back, i think how did we buy into all that? our eyes are wide open now but of course we had a veil on while in the org... i am really amazed that we got out.. it is a long story.. but i know God made it happen.. and we are ever so thankful.. peace and love to all
Notably the NWT is not called a Bible due to copyright issues. They refer to it as the Holy Scriptures.
Matt, I loved your analogy of getting hit by a car and only having 3 minutes to live ...... then 2 minutes and you asked the JW how you could be saved since you can't go out and "live like Jesus". I totally thought of the technique that Ray Comfort uses to ask those (often Catholics) of how he could be saved and mostly they end up saying that they couldn't help him and that it is too late. I appreciate your consistent videos of dealing with the world.
That really dont sound like the Catholics i know, you know, the ones that eat the body and drink the blood of He, the guy, our Lord and savior, Comfort is asking about. Seems kind of silly when you ACTUALLY think about it, IF you think about it…
Amen Praise The Lord Jesus
Very interesting video Matt. I knew Jehovah's witness believe differently but I didn't really know what they believed this was very interesting. That was nice you went and talked to him in a kind way without being rude and still telling him the truth. 👍
"People who have never heard of Jesus" is addressed in Romans 1:18-20
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Good point
My answer is Matthew 25:14-30 in the parable of the ten talents. What's interesting about this passage is that the wicked servant accuses God of reaping and gathering where he has not gathered and God does not reject this accusation at all. It's also interesting that everyone of the servants is given something. Some given more, some less. It's not important how much of a return they make but that they sought a return.
What's the implication here everyone has some revelation of who God is and his word. Some more, some less and God judges us in how we respond to it not on how much has been revealed to us. A person who responds well will naturally end up with more whilst a person who doesn't will discard and bury it
amen
Does the Trinity Doctrine Make Sense or is it Nonsense? Since the Trinity doctrine claims Jesus is also the one God, one must believe that
• God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself.
• Raised Himself from the dead
• Ascended to Himself in heaven.
• Pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself.
• That he is the only mediator between man and Himself
• We must believe that Jehovah prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself.
Other Absurdities:
• Jesus is the immortal God but died.
• Is the invisible God but was seen. Exodus 33:20 But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”.
• Is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel.
• Is the all-knowing God but did not know the day of his return.
• Is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He.
• is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father.
• Is the Son but the same age as the Father.
• Is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father.
• Is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God.
• Prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself.
• Thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself.
• Went back to Himself.
• Sits at the right hand of Himself
• Is His own Father and His own Son
• Left Heaven and yet was there all the time.
There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible, but you can be sure that Jehovah never expects us to believe impossibilities. Repeatedly you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it
And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the Trinity? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.”
How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son?
A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us.
John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.”
2 John 1:3 “There will be with us undeserved kindness, mercy, and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, with truth and love..”
Matthew 8;29 And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? Did you come here to torment us before the appointed time?”
Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will
The Bible clearly demonstrates that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. It also demonstrates that they are separate Persons. It also demonstrates there is ONE God (one Being).
The Trinity is an inescapable fact of the Bible.
This is a great video on the Trinity ⬇️
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@@lionoffireraw nope.....the Trinity is nonsense. Jesus taught in very simple terms. My outline cannot be debunked.
Jesus could have very simply said I am the son of God....I am also God and I am also the Holy Spirit....I am all three at the same time. But then again please try to debunk scripture after scripture where God gave glory to his Father. Sheesh... You refer to 2 scriptures. I even ask who spoke from the Heaven and said, "this is my son....."
...this when Jesus was being Baptized.
Even the demons responded in scripture acknowledging him as the son of God.
Your need for a comfy God that suits your comfort zone is stunning.
The great commission is Mathew 28 19:20. If you do not go door to door then you are not obeying Jesus.
@@jjc1188That was awesome! That list is excellent!
Matt, you have a very calming voice; it makes for easy listening. I have a problem though with the term 'works'. There are a number of works defined in the Bible and it can become confusing if we don't acknowledge the distinctions. We too often equate 'works' with being a bad thing, like what the Judaizers were trying to push on the Gentile converts and even upon the Jews who had become Christians, and then think that there are no works required for our inheritance. These 'Judaizers works' were clearly the works associated with the old covenant requirements of ongoing animal sacrifices, circumcision, dietary restrictions, etc. and were anathema to the new covenant under Christ.
I know what you are saying about the evidence of the converted heart, yet the kind of evidence that scripture says that such a heart should portray is sadly lacking in far too many 'Christians'. Even for those who have long been Christians, it is common for laziness to enter in, and they no longer produce the fruit that they once may have. This can show up in many ways - creeping sin, lack of doing the good works we are called to do, etc. - and is not a sign that they were never Christians, but just like the 'parable of the sower', they fail to endure or are in danger of doing so. And the Gospels make it clear that enduring to the end, along with many other conditions (forgiveness, not becoming entangled again in the world, keeping Jesus' commandments, etc,) are an act of our 'free-will' and are just as important to our salvation as having faith is.
We can't lump all 'works' under the same banner. In Romans 8:12/13 and in Gal. 6:7/8, Paul very directly warns the 'brethren' (born-again believers) that the fleshly side of us all must not be indulged and that by the Spirit's help, we must put our sinful natures to death or else we will not receive the promised inheritance. These multiple warnings are not to 'fake Christians'! They are to real Christians living in a fallen world who struggle daily to overcome and live as the scriptures call us to, and if we are not diligent in our study life, prayer life and practice of the truth, then we can succumb to the sinful nature and become 'do nothing Christians'. (I know because I was once there and only by God's grace and me saying 'yes Lord', am I restored.)
Salvation is not a one-time thing. It is indeed initiated by a one-time act of faith through confession/profession of belief, but it is a path that we then begin to walk where the 'sanctification' we are sealed with by the Spirit molds us more and more to be like Christ, if, that is, we are willing vessels (free-will). We can fall off of that path, but we can also get right back on it. And if we are struggling with something yet being honest with our repentance before God, He will honor that honesty by helping us and preserving our life as we work to overcome. But, if our repentance is not truly genuine, then we make a grave mistake to think that God is ok with that. Our, "Forgive me", was never intended to be a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card that can be used over and over again with no real effort and progress towards the putting away of our sinful practices. Do not be deceived - what we do after becoming born-again matters a great deal as to whether we receive the salvation set aside for us. Either both of those above passages shouldn't be in the Bible, or they are saying loud and clear that 'once-saved-always-saved' (OSAS) is at the least a misinterpretation or at worst a lie from the pit that has mislead many.
16così egli fa in tutte le lettere, in cui tratta di queste cose. In esse ci sono alcune cose difficili da comprendere e gli ignoranti e gli instabili le travisano, al pari delle altre Scritture, per loro propria rovina.
Pietro 2 - Capitolo 3
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience.
This is the gospel of grace alone.
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I had some at the door the other day, they said that Jesus is the Archangel Michael. They do not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh.
There's your mistake right there Matt. Expecting a simple conversation from what seems a simple question to Jehovah's Witnesses. The conversation will be more like them inviting you onto the squirrel cage wheel that they've been traveling. Once you hop up in there, you both take off in different directions and the hilarity ensues.
Amen
I grew up in an JW household, they are mostly confused. Any time I asked questions, they did not have a solid answer. I never chose to get baptized, and I was CSA’d by an elder. I faded away around age 15/16. My family still speaks to me bc they believe I left the truth due to the CSA. I never said that was the reason, and my mother knows that. The other JW’s would not speak to me if they saw me on the streets as I was shunned for leaving. They are a confused people as are their GB leaders.
My parents kicked me out when I was 15, I didn’t agree with the teachings and liked a boy in high school, he wasn’t a JW, we only saw each other in schook
You are the confused one.
You are so good to talk to them.i have had bad experiences with them and do not give them my time.Saying that,it's very sad that there are good people brainwashed in their kingdom hall.may God's Grace and Mercy be upon us all.
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The exact same could be said about you, that your brainwashed, JW's do the hard work of going door-to-door and you're afraid to talk to them? Says a lot about what you believe
His cult brain shut down. The cult brain cannot compute anything outside of the program.
I spoke to my (Baptist) pastor about this once and he said I was right. If Ephesians 2:8-9 says our salvation is not of works then we also cannot do works that will lose our salvation. The Bible clearly says it's "not of works" so you can't gain it or lose it based on your works.
I do believe a believer will have works, however. Those are evidence of our salvation. Someone who goes on their life with zero works and zero confession of Jesus probably was not an actual Christian in the first place.
A person that doesn’t believe OSAS would not say that a person loses their salvation because of works, but because of choosing unbelief.
It’s important to understand the nuances of the beliefs of various groups.
@@lionoffireraw I completely agree.
There ARE some people who believe you can lose your salvation through your works though. That’s actually a relatively common belief.
With respect, the issue lies with your original question. In your retelling, you asked a very broad question that required the respondent to include qualifying statements to answer correctly. However, as the conversation progressed, YOU had to add more specific questions and conditions to narrow it down. This approach could have been confusing and unfair to the person you asked. I understand the point you're trying to make, but your method was quite roundabout.
I think it was a very clear question, with a clear answer.
@@lionoffireraw So you believe that if someone has 3 minutes to live, there is something YOU can say to that person which will make them realize they need to repent and find faith in Jesus to be saved?...even if that person was a Muslim, Buddhist or never had tangible knowledge of who Jesus was before that point in time? Thats just silly. You have to add so many carveouts to that question to begin with to make any sense. That said, per Romans 2:12-16 there is still hope for that person being judged according to the secret things of their heart.
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Ultimately it is God through Christ who can see hearts and makes the decision.
Hypothetical questions get hypothetical answers. Haha.
I wonder though when the ark door was finally shut and it began to rain if there came a point that it was judgment made and that was their chance but they didn’t listen.
@@NickHawaii That is exactly the point of the scripture I reference in Romans. The original video was asking a hypothetical question. Relating to the flood - Paul made clear there will be a resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous. We have no idea how many unrighteous people who died in the flood might be given another chance.
2:23 It is a bogus question. Now is the time to respond to the Good News. Beyond that, God and His Son are the judges of if you had an appropriate chance to respond or not, and can see all the factors involved. There are no magic word or declarations that "saves" people.
I would say it is in God's hands at that point.
4:25 No, it is not similar for 2 reasons. 1) Jesus is an actual judge of who lives and who dies.
2) Jesus said this: John 5:28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
Or as Acts 25:15 says: (Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Ones who did not have a sufficient opportunity, for whatever reason, will receive a resurrection and have that opportunity to display faith in Jesus.
*Bonus* 3) Jesus was not in paradise that day, as he was dead for parts of 3 days. Your translators place the comma in the wrong place.
If you will excuse my opinion, but it does not seem you were confused here at all. You got the point correct.
6:54 *Yet faith without works is dead.* James 2:26 Also, notice: (Romans 2:6-8) *And he will pay back to each one according to his works:* 7 everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good; 8 however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and anger.
*Can a dead faith save you?*
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience.
1. It’s a great question.
2. They are identical situations.
Don’t fall for the lies of the Watch Tower. JW cult is a 19th century invention. It’s utterly unbiblical. It’s as clear a cult as any.
@@lionoffireraw You said "We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. "
In that we cannot earn it, yes. That in no way means God rewards those who do not put forth the proper effort. See Rom 2:6-8.
As shown, faith without works is dead. And Jesus said this: (Luke 13:24) “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.
Faith and love means obedience, and effort. Not to earn life, but to serve God whole souled.
@@lionoffireraw Allow me to ask you something. *Do you believe repentance necessary for salvation?*
Paul was telling the Jewish Christians that they would never be able to obtain Jehovah’s approval simply by performing works of the Mosaic Law. James was emphasizing the need for all Christians to show their faith by doing good to others.
They don't believe that any one is ever saved until that last second ,when God decides .......we cant have complacency ,dude 😂😂😂
IF THAT IS THE WAY, WHY DIDN'T JUDAS JUST RUN TO SOMEBODY QUICK AND GET SAVED?
Go visit the place, come back and tell us what you experienced🙏🏼😁
People love to believe salvation is as simple as declaring faith. They fail to realize that actions speak louder than words. James 2:26
The counsel is in the Bible for a reason, and obedience is necessary if we love Jesus, and his God and Father, Jehovah.
(Luke 13:24) “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able.
Read the discussion directly below this one!😂
@@In_Focus24 I agree with the original poster. That is why I posted this one.
And I agree with your posts there. You appear to be one of my brothers. Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
@@777Tralfaz777 Yes. Nice to meet you
@@In_Focus24 Nice to meet you too. You can usually tell your brothers by the use of scriptures, and the logical progression. 😀
Hello again. Salvation is as simple as believing in Jesus Christ. I'll go through the scriptures you quoted and after that, you can comment on the ones I quoted.
Luke 13:24 can be compared to Mat. 7:13,14 where there's many on the wide road, which means you are in opposition of the majority, so Luke signifies a great struggle against conflict.
Jesus was not suggesting that one could merit salvation by striving for it that would be a contradiction in scripture. Read Mat. 7:21-23 and notice all the GOOD things those people were doing to merit salvation, that was some VERY good WORKS . Yet Jesus said I never knew you.
Salvation is solely by Grace AKA ( don't miss this next word) UNDESERVED kindness, not by WORKS, not from YOURSELVES ( that takes one completely out of the equation) ( Eph.2:8,9; Rom.4:4,5)
Now about James 2:26. In James 2:23 James quoted Gen. 15:6 which says Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it ( faith) was counted to him as righteousness. The WORK that James said justified Abraham was his offering up of Isaac ( Gen. 22:9,12) an event that occurred MANY YEARS AFTER, he first exercised faith and was declared righteous before God. ( Gen. 12:1-7;15:6) So Abraham was declared righteous WITHOUT doing any WORKS.
James' teaching perfectly complements Paul's writings; salvation is determined by faith ALONE. ( Eph. 2:8,9) and demonstrates by faithfulness to OBEY God alone.( Eph.2:10)
Now to show how simple it is to get saved, all one has to do is , first you must HEAR the Good News message ( which is 1 Cor.15:1-4) and BELIEVE it, then you are SEALED with the Holy Spirit. ( Eph.1:13) Once you are SEALED, you are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption. ( Eph.4:30) Aka once saved always saved.
Now before you go to throwing out a bunch of scriptures, make SURE you read the CONTEXT, because scriptures do NOT CONTRADICT each other.
Thanks for this video.
What stood out for me is he was not led by the Holy spirit or he wouldnt be confused
They don’t have the true gospel.
I pray that his confusion equates to many seeds planted and that God will use what you shared to wake him up.
Welcome to the cult world of the Watchtower of Jehovahs witnesses.
Sadly the J.WS have another Jesus who cannot save. They also use the watchtower doctrines, not the true Word of God. They are a very large cult
What cult world are you involved in?
Every conversation I have with one of them is confusing. They do what I call circle talk and deflection. They don't hear anything you say except trigger words and even if your point is far from their deflection, just one little word will have them asking "So I take it you believe in the trinity." Or "Do you believe God has a name.?" Trying to stay one step ahead of you. Extremely sociopathic.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 awe. There is a lot more Bible (and check your book because it is not called a Bible) to be read. If you read from Genesis 1:1 to the very last of Revelations, it's a different story than the one you trust another fallible, uninspired man such as yourself to explain it to you. I pray for all your souls to be saved before it is eternally too late. Read the entire book of Acts. It will blow your mind!
I hear this strange scenario many times. But you ran into the wrong Jehovah's Witness. Let this Jehovah's Witness clarify you on this subject.
You ask if a person had 3 minutes to live, what can he do to be saved. The answer is there is absolutely nothing that a person can do to be saved in 3 minutes. This is absolutely ridiculous and you are making a mockery of Jehovah and the ministry of Jesus. There is no magic words that a person needs to hurry up and say, so that he can be saved. And Jesus never, ever taught such foolishness in his ministry. Jesus plainly said that the one who does the Will of his Father is the one who will be saved. Matt.7:21 Not the one who hurries up and say some magic words, before he dies. Salvation is not depended on saying some magic words.
And the men who died with Jesus were not saved. Jesus never, ever, said that they were saved. Jesus said that they, and I mean both of them, will be with him in paradise. You see, if you knew anything about the Millennial reign of Jesus, (Which apparently, you dont) then you would know who will be resurrected there and who will benefit from it. Jesus said that all those in the tombs will hear his voice and come out. John 5:28,29 And that includes the men who died with Jesus and anyone else who you think needs to say some magic words before they died. Acts 24:15 also says that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous. And the men who died with Jesus will be of the unrighteous ones who will be resurrected into the Millennial reign of Christ. They will be resurrected back to the earth, and there they will get their first, not second, real opportunity at everlasting life.
And there, they will be taught and guided by Jesus to salvation. If they and billions of others respond favorably to the message that will be preached by Jesus during that time, and shows acts of repentance and start living a Godly life and do the Will of God, then they put themselves in line to be saved, if and when they do not follow the devil when he is released at the end of the Millennial reign. and they survive the Second death. It will be at that time that they can say that they are saved. Not 3 minutes before death because they said some magic words. The bible says that the knowledge of Jehovah will cover the earth as the waters covers the seas. This will be the message that Jesus will teach during the Millennial reign. And this will be mankind's first real opportunity at salvation. Because during this time, those who do the Will of God will not have to die and hope for a resurrection. But they will continue to live forever in this Paradise that Jesus talked about to the evildoer who died with him. And this opportunity is not just for those who have never heard the message about God. Because even for many people who have heard the message, they were not able to apply it to their lives to the extent as they will be able to do during the Millennial reign.
And this is the good news that Jesus said would be preached to the World as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing in this time of the end. And this is indeed good news. Jesus did not tell anyone to hurry up and say some magic words before they died so that they can be saved. And Yes, we are saved by Grace. But that doesn't mean that we do not have to do anything to be saved. We still have to show God by our works and are willingness to do his Will, that we want him to be our God for all eternity. Faith without works is dead. And I might add, saying some magic words without works to back them up, is also dead.
There’s no “second chance resurrection.” This is one of many clearly false teachings from The Watch Tower. (Heb 9:27).
Absolutely a person can be saved by repenting and believing on their deathbed, if their repentance and faith is genuine.
I genuinely grieve for those in the false JW cult, and similar cults started around the same time in the 19th century. False teachings, failed prophecy, dodgy dealings of the WT. I’m so glad that many have escaped this lost group!
@Allan_Says crazy!
The righteous and are righteous as resurrected TO BE JUDGED!!
@@lionoffireraw You are NOT considering ALL of the scriptures that disagrees with this. Where does it say anywhere in the bible that a person can be saved just by saying some magic words. And if they are saved, where do they go to. Do you think that they go straight to heaven. Wow! What a mockery! And you have absolutely no understanding when the bible says that faith without works is dead. And you say nothing about the Millennial reign of Christ and what will happen there. You make God out to be some silly person who will let anyone who says some magic words to go to heaven and reign with Christ. Because the only persons who go to heaven are those who will reign with Jesus. Rev.20:4,6
And what exactly do you think will happen during the Millennial reign if everyone is judged as to where they will spend eternity, based on what they did in this present life. If that were the case, then there would be no need for the Millennial reign. And all of those people who never even heard of Jesus or Jehovah or read a bible, are just out of luck.
And now do you see why Jesus did not choose your faith to preach this good news of the kingdom to the world. Because you have no concept of what the good news is. What you are teaching is NOT good news for the majority of people who are alive today and for those whom have died.
@MrRklewis stop listening to the obvious lies of the Watch Tower.
@@Allan_Inquires You talk about the judgement seat of God. But you fail to mention that this takes place after the Millennial reign of Christ. Did you purposely leave this out. We are not judged by what we do in this life. We are judged by what we do during the Millennial reign of Christ. You quote the last part of Revelation chapter 20. But the beginning of Revelation 20 talks about the 1000 year reign of Christ and it talks about the devil being released after the 1000 years. And this is when the judgement happens.
This world ends with the great tribulation, in which only the chosen will survive. Matt.24:21,22 Just as in the flood of Noah's day. And they will be the foundation members of the Millennial reign of Christ. Rev.7:9-15 After this the resurrection of all mankind will happen during the Millennial reign.
Sounds confusing.
He would be wondering what's up with the Ray Comfort impersonation.
And then he would be thinking, "I met a nice guy today, I'm going to go home and make a wee video about it for youtube and make him sound clueless and ignorant because I know he will never get chance to explain his side of the conversation"...
Oh, wait, no he wouldn't.
You’re right. He wouldn’t understand the distinctions clearly enough to be able to make a video about the conversation!
Hi Matt
For so Many years you were passionate about talking to the JW but were far too ill. Now you are better and Godly intervention comes through, you have been blessed and are coming across some JW. Lately.
You know exactly what to say at every moment, exposing their hypocrisy and total ignorance.
I hope the JW. people come to realise the truth.
Pleased for you, and love your messages. 🙏❤️
This sounds very similar to Calvinism to me. The Calvinists believe that there are some "reprobates" or whatever they call them who are people who will _never_ be saved (I don't know how they know this as some people accept Jesus on their death beds) and those people will have the judgement of God and are not even worthy to spend any time on.
It’s very different to Calvinism.
But I also disagree with Calvinism.
He was looking at you with a blank look because that was a crazy question out of left field. He was probably wondering what you were getting at and what your point was. That’s what I’m wondering.
They don't know the verses because it's not important to them that you are saved. It is THEIR salvation that they are working for when they are spreading the propaganda and lies of the Watchtower. They are not taught to make deciples. They are taught to be deciples of the Watchtower.
I almost cried last time I had a couple at my door, because I wanted to know how can you be saved? - I got the same answer as you did. But as usual it's not thought through and internalized, it's just something they learnt to say and think. They said at one point they were doing much better than the church, because "at least we give out flyers in person and not just in your mailbox". I then pressed the one that talked (coz it's only one that talks when they come at your door usually here), then how can I know I am saved?
You can't, he said. There is no way to know. You just gotta do the works he is telling us and have the hope that it's been good enough.
Their end-times teaching is all over the place, it's not biblical at all. Not even according to their own perverted translation.
I really DO LOVE the JWs tho. I have failed many times in conversation with them tho, because it's so easy to get upset with them when they are not giving you ONE SINGLE STRAIGHT ANSWER and it feels like they twist inside out my own words. The reality is that they aren't listening to what you are saying when it comes to theological matters. What I've found to be way more successful is to talk to them about their personal histories. How they became witnesses etc. What is their story? Who is it really that I have before me at my door when you strip away the automatic propaganda spreading machine called JW?
One lady came at me straight up and told me she became a witness because of the lack of love among those that claimed to be the church when she was young. That she came to them because she found comfort in the fact that they believe in annihilation. Why? Because her dad had died when she was 13 (iirc) and he was not a believer she said. And everyone around her told her that her dad was now in hell. She as a 13 year old girl could not bear the thought of that, so she left that faith, and was found by JW who told her to not worry, because her dad wasn't in hell, he was just no more, which was sad, but not horrifying as eternal torment, flames and brimstone and all that the others said he was experiencing.
This is TRAGIC. Because I have found that either they have been in the organization their whole lives and just grew up in it and stayed there (you know there are horrible reasons for them being stopped from thinking too much on their own - like the shunning and their internal justice system), or it's preying on people in a bad situation. Extremely few people just walk in and become a member of their organization because they made an informed choice about believing their theology and not someone elses.
I also talked to one on the phone during covid. He got angry with me for asking questions. I told him, dude, there's no need to be angry, and he was like - nooooo nooo I'm not angry. He was. :).
I don't know. The very best way I can describe some of the conversations with them is like having a conversation with a mix of a human and an NPC.
So many lies on this comment. No witness would ever say they are earning their salvation. Or by doing works God owes us something. Good grief.
I've had many conversations with JW's. It's true that truth slides off of them like they're made of teflon. It's because of their spiritual blindness. It requires the Holy Spirit to enable them to understand. All we can do is plant the seeds that in time may set them free. We can also pray that they will remember what we shared, and that it will bother them. This works--I've seen it. One JW told me, a couple weeks after I shared a verse with them, "I can't stop thinking about it."
To go along with my post below this one, some people like to believe in *once saved always saved.* The Bible never indicates this, but consistently shows we must keep faithful, and keep our integrity if we are to benefit from Jesus' ransom sacrifice.
Jesus said this: (Matthew 24:13) But the one who has endured to the end will be saved.
Is this true, and what he actually meant?
Notice: (Hebrews 3:14) For we actually become partakers of the Christ only *if* we hold firmly down to the end the confidence we had at the beginning.
Logically, *if* we do not hold firm, then the conclusion should be obvious.
Coupled with this fact: (James 2:26) Indeed, just as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
With a live faith, with works that are good, God, through His word, the Bible, says this: Rom2:6 And he will pay back to each one according to his works: 7 everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good;
Wow! What a fantastic question! Thank you so much for sharing
Works of righteousness can never be proof or evidence we are saved. There are many groups that do live righteous lives but haven’t trusted in Jesus as they are trusting in how they live as evidence of their place in heaven.
No wonder the JW man was confused.
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience.
This is the gospel of grace alone.
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The jehoava's are so confused and mis-guided. Your really lucky to get through to them at all unless The Holy Spirit does it.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 What are you talking about Mr Dc3 1914. Did you come back in 1914? Did everybody see you? I didnt
@@Mr.DC3.1914 are you replying to me? If so what is your point? Are you jdub?
It never made sense for Ray Comfort to use it for many years and it still doesn't make sense today. Nothing any human can say will ensure with any guarantee such a person will be resurrected. The judging is Jehovah and Jesus who will read their heart and if they are in the memorial tomb then they are remembered and will receive a resurrection.
It makes 100% sense.
You’ve missed the entire point.
It’s not about a human ensuring anything! It’s about preaching a message that can lead to the salvation of a person if they exercise faith. A person can have true faith in Christ, in their final moments, and be saved.
The theology in your comment is incorrect. You misinterpret the verse about the resurrection!
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, (Hebrews 9:27)
Don’t believe the lies of The Watch Tower!!
@lionoffireraw No it doesn't make sense. Here's why What is the culmination of that message supposed to do? Save right? Yet one you don't believe JW's and many others don't have the truth the message is of no consequence as to you it's a false gospel, two, get saved to go where Certainly not heaven as no biblical get around clause of John 3:3 and three, it's based on the criteria God and his Christ will use to judge
You say "a message that can lead to the salvation of a person if they exercise faith." What does *exercise* mean to you?
You say "A person can have true faith in Christ, in their final moments, and be saved" What message are you preaching in such a short time that you can guarantee any person accepting will be saved?
I certainly didn't misquote Hebrews 9:27 as it was not mentioned or referenced. Jesus your God said "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice" ESV Therefore only those God has chosen to remember will be ressurected
Why you have included Heb 9:27 I don't know, however, it is inescapable to avoid the death brought on by Adam's inherited sin therefore "appointed (apokeimai reserved for one, awaiting him) for man to die once" but when he dies again it is through Judgement through ones own action though knowing God's will. Isaiah 65:20 is a prophecy which states "but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed" (KJV) and verse 22 the promise to live like the "days of a tree" is the promise of a long life, if one is obedient or the former will happen.
I am willing to hear you out if differs
Interesting conversation. I would have told him what I would tell the guy on the road with 3 minutes to live… see what he said to that.
Thanks for this story ~ hope I run into a JW.
Blessings to you.
JW do not read daily and systematically the Bible, because they they are busy in reading all the literature from the WT.
They memorize isolated verses and explain them through the lens of the WT doctrine!
Since, I dropped their literature and systematically studied the Bible, the veil was lifted and I understood that Jesus is as much God as the Father. He is thereby worth our worship like the Father! I began as well doing communion with Him.
When I discovered that we are being lied to, I cried for 3 days. I begged Jesus in tears to forgive me for being blind! In the meanwhile, I wondered, how on Earth am I going to convince my family members and others!? Despite the evidence of the Scriptures, they won’t hear unless, it comes from the WT or the organisation! That is how bad, it is!The only hope I have left is Devine intervention through supplication prayers, supplication and fasting! So, help me Jesus!
That is ridiculous, you have been deceived by Satan, you will learn the hard way who really has the truth and God's approval.
A total bold lie. A blanket statement designed to smear and spread falsehood. I read the Bible everyday and many translations too. The NASB, KJV and NKJV and ASV this morning. Good grief. Stop the nonsense and deception.
I would imagine most people close to death would have a genuine conversion to Jesus. My grandpa did. He accepted the Lord on his deathbed and later we had some indications from the Lord that he was really a Christian when he passed. Sounds like this person you were talking to believes in a "works salvation".
The reason he couldn't make the distinction, was because the message you gave him was the exact same message he believes....
Works backloading the gospel.
Works should have NO place in the gospel message. Ephesians 2:8-9
Who has bewitched you Galatians 3:3 KJV - Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh(Works)?
The JW's have a near 100% turnover rate over a few years. I don't recall the exact stat on that, but the point is that the ones who leave are left alienated from family and pretty much everyone else. Because of this, it's a good idea to try to be nice to them so that when they eventually leave the JW's they may see a real Christian community as a place to turn. From what I can tell, you were nice to them. I just thought I'd add this.
So untrue. We continue to grow and make disciples. You are looking at some false made statements on the internet and not in harmony with the real facts.
@@NickHawaii I am not looking at statements on the internet. I'm looking at actual statistics from the 1980's. Maybe something has changed within the JW organization to stop that bleeding, but I doubt it.
The answer to your question is straight forward and very good news if you are about to die the hope is in the resurrection you clearly would be in paradise
Poor man. Alone there with no clue about the Bible. You did well!!! ❤
I’m sure that old man could have ran circles around you on other topics. Not everyone is strong in one area when it comes to scriptures.
I AM NOT A JW BUT THIS SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ...
Rev 12:17 (KJV)
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
OR THIS ONE
Rev 14:12 (KJV)
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
WHY THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD?
Eccl 12:13-14 (KJV)
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
WHAT IS THE GRACE OF GOD?
IT IS THE MERCY OF GOD
HOW DO YOU RECEIVE HIS MERCY? BY BELIEVING IN HIS SON?
HOW DO YOU BELIEVE IN HIS SON IF YOU NEVER MEET HIM?
BY DOING THE COMMANDMENTS OG GOD
WHAT ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD?
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
NO ONE TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU CHRIST
AND NO ONE COME TO CHRIST EXCEPT THE FATHER DRAW HIM TO CHRIST
CHRIST SAID ...
Matt 7:21 (KJV)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
TO RECEIVE GOD GRACE (MERCY) YOU HAVE TO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER
IF YOU SIN WITHOUT THE LAW THEN YOU WILL PERISH WITOUT THE LAW AND IF YOU SIN HAVING THE LAW THEN YOU WILL BE JUDGE BY THE LAW
GOD IS LOVE BUT HE IS ALSO A RIGHTEOUS JUDGE
AND BECAUSE HE IS LOVE DOESN'T MEAN DOESN'T KILL THE WICKED
THE GOD THAT LOVE HAVE TO HAVE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AGAINST EVIL PEOPLE
THE 10 COMMANDMENT IS STILL IN EFECT EVEN IF YOU ARE TAUGHT THAT THEY ARE NOT
NO ONE REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH GOD LOVE US ... THE HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON SO THAT WE MAY BELIEVE IN HIM AND IN HIS SON BUT AT THE SAME TIME EVERYONE WILL BE RESURRECT AND JUDGE ... THOSE WHO DO GOOD TO
EVER LASTING LIFE BY THE MERCY OF GOD
@3:44 Segway to the thief on the cross account.... Luke 23:42-43 "Then he said to Jesus, 'Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.' And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.'" Today.... not after purgatory, not maybe, not after having some right performed over you. "'today you will be with Me in Paradise.'"
Thank you for being kind to him. The JWs are truly misguided but overall good intentions. The whole thing makes me so sad.
Their stories change as well as their end world predictions
Your teaching is based on Calvinism.
1. Perseverance of the Saints:
• Calvinism teaches that those who are truly elected by God and saved will persevere in faith until the end. This is based on the idea that salvation is solely the work of God, and what God begins, He will complete This assurance of perseverance implies that true believers will continue to grow in holiness and produce good works as evidence of their salvation.
2. Sanctification:
• Sanctification is the process by which believers are gradually made more holy through the work of the Holy Spirit. According to Calvinist doctrine, this process is inevitable for those who are truly saved. Thus, the production of good fruits, or evidence of a transformed life, is a natural outcome of true faith and salvation.
I call this backloading the Gospel.
"Back-loading the gospel" refers to the idea of introducing works or human effort into the gospel message, not at the front end (as a requirement for salvation), but subtly, at the back end. This typically means that while one might initially preach salvation by grace through faith alone, there is an implicit or explicit addition that true believers must demonstrate their faith through certain behaviors or good works to confirm their salvation. This can be seen as a form of legalism where works are added as a necessary proof of genuine faith, thus undermining the purity of the gospel of grace.
Here are the key aspects of "back-loading the gospel":
1. **Initial Presentation**:
- The gospel is presented as salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone, without the requirement of works to earn salvation.
2. **Subsequent Expectations**:
- After one professes faith, there is an expectation or requirement that believers must produce certain good works or live in a specific manner to confirm or validate their salvation.
3. **Theological Implications**:
- This can lead to confusion and anxiety among believers, who might begin to question their salvation based on their performance rather than trusting in Christ's finished work.
- It risks shifting the focus from Christ's sufficiency in salvation to the believer's ongoing efforts, thus subtly implying that grace alone is not sufficient.
4. **Comparison with Biblical Teaching**:
- The Bible teaches that salvation is by grace through faith apart from works.
5. **Calvinism and Assurance**:
- In Calvinism, the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints emphasizes that true believers will persevere in faith and good works as a result of God's grace, not as a prerequisite or proof to maintain salvation.
In essence, back-loading the gospel distorts the message of grace by subtly reintroducing a form of works-righteousness. Salvation rests solely on the finished work of Christ and is received by faith alone.
No, I’m not a Calvinist. There is a difference.
No, this is not “backloading.” That’s a made up term.
We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. When a person exercises true saving faith, they are born again. When a person is born again, this produces a transformation. The works that come from this transformation are NOT meritorious of salvation in ANY way, but rather are the evidence of the born-again experience.
@@lionoffireraw how do you determine if someone is saved?
What works must someone do to show that they are saved?
"Backloading the gospel" is a term used primarily within evangelical Christian circles, often in debates about the nature of salvation and works. It generally refers to the idea of subtly introducing works as a requirement for salvation after initially presenting salvation as a free gift of grace through faith. This concept is often criticized because it can undermine the doctrine of justification by faith alone, making salvation contingent upon human effort.
### Origins and Usage
1. **Debates on Grace and Works**: The term emerges from theological discussions, particularly among Protestant evangelicals, about the proper relationship between faith and works. It is often used to critique views that, while affirming salvation by grace, suggest that certain behaviors or works are necessary to maintain or prove one's salvation.
2. **Key Theological Contexts**:
- **Reformed Theology**: Within Reformed circles, there is a strong emphasis on salvation by grace alone through faith alone. "Backloading the gospel" is used to guard against any suggestion that works play a role in securing or proving salvation.
- **Free Grace Movement**: This movement argues for a clear distinction between faith and works in the salvation process. They emphasize that works are not necessary for salvation but are a result of genuine faith. They often use the term "backloading the gospel" to criticize teachings they see as conflating justification (being declared righteous by faith) with sanctification (the process of becoming holy).
### Biblical Basis and Theological Concerns
- **Justification by Faith Alone**: Critics of "backloading the gospel" often point to key scriptural passages such as Ephesians 2:8-9 ("For by grace you have been saved through faith... not a result of works") and Galatians 2:16 ("a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ").
- **James 2:14-26**: This passage, which discusses faith and works, is often central to the debate. It asserts that "faith without works is dead," which some interpret as meaning that genuine faith naturally produces good works, without suggesting that works are a condition for salvation.
### Contemporary Concerns
- **Maintaining the Purity of the Gospel**: The main concern with "backloading the gospel" is that it might distort the simplicity and purity of the gospel message, which proclaims salvation as a free gift of God's grace, not dependent on human performance.
- **Pastoral and Evangelistic Implications**: In pastoral and evangelistic contexts, there is a need to clearly communicate that while good works are the fruit of salvation, they are not a precondition or a means to secure it. This ensures that individuals understand the gospel as the unconditional good news it is meant to be.
In summary, "backloading the gospel" is a critique of any theological stance that seems to reintroduce works as necessary for salvation after initially presenting it as solely based on grace through faith. It is a concept rooted in the Protestant emphasis on justification by faith alone and aims to preserve the gospel's integrity by keeping the focus on Christ's completed work rather than human effort.
@@steveblurton5185😁😁😁se alla Sua venuta... rimane in piedi👫👫👫👫!!
Please give your 🪴 some water
And not to say that these people all don’t want to actively save people BUT the organization forces them to go out and preach. If they don’t they are shunned. Going out preaching because you Have constant negative consequences held over your head isnt works produced by faith it’s works produced by fear.
Ex J W here 1962-1978, elder, speaker, ministerial servant. I disassociated myself realizing JW’s is a cult.
What cult did you join after?
@@NickHawaii If you’re asking me, I am not part of any cult or religious organization.
The Bible teaches that Noah preach to people for many decades and no one listen to him! 40 days of rain and Bible says all mankind died! Jehovah's Witnesses do the hard work of going door-to-door looking for people like this guy just sits at home waiting for the JWs to find him, and all he does is criticize them, just like the days of Noah, people criticized him as well
Very good brother. You did really well. I really hope that these people investigate what they are being taught.
Figurati... un asino🐴 conosce il proprio sentiero👣👣👣, purtroppo questi non riconoscono un asino 🐴 da un fico!!
Per questo il Cristo quando ebbe fame, non trovando nella pianta 🌱 neanche un fico.., la maledì!!
Beautifully put ❤
I loved your question, by the way!! ⭐️
Your use of Ray Comfort is consistent with the faith alone view propagated by Huldriech Zwingli in 1523.
Before Zwingli baptism was considered the work of God and the time God's grace was conferred on man. Colosians 2:11-14 says: In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
ANY "conversation" with a "Hovie" is likely to be confusing.
May I also add that there is a spirit of darkness over the Jehovah's witnesses. That darkness makes them uneasy to discuss at length or reason with you. Hence, the confusion.
Jesus said
I will be with you for all times. Mt 28
JWs skipped 1900 yrs.
You’re welcome
Jesus said the weeds and wheat would grow together till the time of the harvest.
@@NickHawaii yes
I used to work with a man who was the head of the local mormon church...he flat would tell me that all Muslims were saved ""they just came a different way "....but than would say that the repentant theif on the cross didn't actually go to heaven. ""Because paradise was a different place"...also once when I was really worried about going to hell he said ""no your ok hell is only for really bad people "... trouble was he was really skilled in the scriptures.. unlike me..even though I knew he was wrong
You left a seed, bless you. Hebrews 9:27, Romans 1:20 and Revelation 20:5 are clear that we don't get second chances.
The J. W's tragically listen to nine men in N.Y that spew this nonsense through their publications instead of exegeting scripture like we are commanded to do. I speak to them online all the time and they hang their hat on getting a second chance.
So if someone dies in the past and was resurrected by Jesus or someone who was used by God did they get a second chance??
@@NickHawaii at what? Eternal life ? Lazerus already believed in Jesus and don't you think Jarus' daughter and the family would have believed after that miracle?
Does Ephesians 2:8-9 really say we are saved by grace alone through faith alone?
It doesn't say that in my bible. Hmm. Sounds like another gospel to me.
Abrahams faith was credited to him as righteousness. So what kind of faith did he have? What did he do with Gods commandment to sacrifice Isaac? What are you doing with Acts 2:38? Have you read it? Have you done it? If not, you are not saved brothers and sisters. Time is short, and it's time to obey God.
Baptismal regeneration is a heresy. There are plenty of resources explaining Acts 2:38
What? Lol
Yes it's by faith alone.
Read John 3:18. If one that DOESN'T BELIEVE is judged ALREADY, then one that DOES believe is saved ALREADY.
If that man who was dying truly did accept Christ and his heart was changed he would be saved. Were his life to be spared, and he was converted to Christ, then he would do those actions that are becoming of a disciple of Christ, meaning he would do what the Lord was prompting him to do. Those promptings are unique to each and every individual. A heart that truly accepts Christ will be changed and will follow Him.
Based on what and saved from what?
@@Pimping9167 Why did Jesus teach, "If ye love me, keep my commandments"? On the heels of that question, I would ask, do good and evil exist? Or, asked in another way, are we fallen from God and are we need of repentance and forgiveness? Why was Jesus sent to offer salvation and from what?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I never said it was up to me. So I agree with you. In fact, what I said is that it is between the person and the Lord. No mortal person can "save" another.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Which kind of exposes the absurdity of asking the question of a dying man in this predicament in the first place. While the video focuses on the response of the JW guy, maybe we should scrutinize the validity of the question itself.
Is deathbed repentance a thing? Only if the person's heart is in the right place and only God knows that.
We must keep in mind Revelation ch 3 verse 5
The strong implication is that if we don’t overcome, Jesus WILL blot out our names from the book of the living.’ And so we’ll lose our salvation.
Interesting talk but get use to the confusion you will see a lot of it throughout life. And on utub. I started out studying a lot of religions. Don't try to understand them just go with it, because they won't hear you no matter what you show them. But don't give up, we still have one second left to hopefully bring someone Home with us... We never know the second Jesus will call...
Even if he answered that he had trust in Jesus alone, he still has a wrong understanding of Jesus or he is placing his faith in a false Jesus.
If a man is willing to take is own life because of suffering and another man is willing to endure the suffering. Who will you gift life to?
Accepting Jesus mean you are willing to do what he requires of you, that is teaching others or preaching the good news. What is the good news? Life everlasting and the kingdom of God.
What happened when you don't teach people about the good news you have heard?
Judgment, because the others are to die cos you fail to teach the good news ( the kingdom of God).
Let me ask you a question if Christ hasn't returned have YOU got your salvation?
Yes, I’m saved.
@@lionoffireraw so you are saying his Parousia has happened ?
@@petergouvignon8048 Do you believe the man of lawlessness has been revealed?
@@lionoffireraw Heb 9:28 ISV so the Messiah was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people. And he will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly wait for him.
So when did he appear ?
The day of Atonement, the high priest had to come out of the holy of holies
Matt- you misquoted Ephesians 2:8/9. You added the word alone after grace and faith, just as Martin Luther tried to do. Are you not doing what the JWs do, propagating what they believe by adding or changing words. I believe you are a good faithful Christian and have a somewhat good understanding of scriptures but please be accurate when quoting them lest you mislead some. Thanks- keep up the good work-John
It says we are saved by grace, through faith.
The verse adds nothing to grace and faith.
This is saying we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone.
It also says NOT of works.
It can’t be any clearer!
Very well done and explained. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Sounds like you did a great job and really gave him a pebble in the shoe, so to speak. Definitely JWs don't learn about Ephesians 2:8-9 from Watchtower because it so completely contradicts what they are taught to believe. Keep him in your prayers, and pray he will encounter more Christians who continue to witness to him. God bless!
@@StretchMn Are you saying that the 10 commandments no longer apply to you when you say you are no longer under the law?
I was raised as a JW and my dad was an elder. I remember asking the exact same question a number of times and it NEVER made sense. I used to say, "aren't we actually ruining more people's chances to be saved by knocking on doors?" Somehow the answer was "no." It always bothered me😂
That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking!!
The problem is that they're brainwashed into believing that any kind of criticism/questioning against what they believe is persecution, which is confirmation that they are correct. It's complicated but that's what is drummed in. This is what leads to these confusing, circular arguments or arguments where they seem to constantly change their minds and not make any sense.
The ones who will listen are the ones who already have certain nagging doubts. The governing body has been warning people against this as well for a while. "Do not become an apostate!" "Do not speak to apostates!" "Satan uses XYZ to trick you into losing your faith and you will not let that happen!"
Talking to JWs can be so difficult that I've personally given up. That doesn't mean everyone else should though. I'm glad you brought this topic up because I've not heard it mentioned enough
@@stephstevens2 why.....because I somehow interrupted the kickoff of Ohio State vs Michigan?