My favorite 2024 is the Prospex Limited Edition 1965 Recreation European Exclusive in Gradation Island Blue. The dial is stunning and the contrast when on a white strap is to die for. I will get my hands on one from AMZWATCH
Can’t beat gold polished Roman numerals that sparkle like jewels in the sunlight. Loving the sun ray dial man that pops! AMZWATCH watches. What a beautiful subtle piece.
Thanks Frederico! I shake my head when I see suggested five-year intervals! C’mon. If a watch really actually needs servicing every five years, I’m not interested. 😂
My main watch is an Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT (43.5mm GoodPlanet). I've had it for bang on 8 years, still fine. Back then it was recommended to get it services every 4-5 years, but right now for me in the UK that would be £590 ($765 USD). If I sent it in now, they'd polish it, replace gaskets and pressure test it. But if I sent it in not working well and it needed the movement rebuilt, it costs me the same. I don't care if some parts need replaced. But yes, if you have a much fancier watch with more complications and not a co-axial escapement, then maybe it makes sense. Or if it's not as valuable then you don't need to go via the official option - the various service centres. In which case a more local watchmaker may service it for half the price.
I bought my TAG Heuer 2000 auto in ‘04, & it was “my watch” until ‘17, when it began losing 1+ min/day. I had it serviced at that point. I don’t plan to service my newer watches until they go out of specs or about 10 years, whatever happens first!
It's only about $500 for a TAG. Rolex can run above $1800, not including repairs. If servicing gets too expensive, I'm just going to go with a Quartz watch. This is getting crazy.
@@JohnBowl14690 In ‘17 I paid $320 to have it serviced. I don’t think my TAG is even worth that much! If it didn’t have such sentimental value, I probably wouldn’t have it done. I may take it to a watchmaker next time to see if they can do it for less. It’s got an ETA 2824 movement, so it’s fairly common.
I recall years ago a video with you, Christian (Theo and Harris) and possibly Gentleman watches (I think, it was a British guy). Love your videos, keep up the good work.
I've had a Baume Mercier Capeland chrono since 2002 just serviced it for the first time due to dropping it and it stopped running. It did cost $750 for the service due to broken parts. All polished it looks an runs like new!!!
Always enjoy your industry veteran knowledge non influence style offering buying tips and advise. Heady Teddy and Juicy Brucie belong in Alaska selling ice to Eskimos!
A deployant is useful if you have an alligator strap or other expensive strap that you don't want to bend sharply to fit into the first keeper. If you have an alligator strap custom made (e.g., from Delugs), you can request that the first keeper not be stitched into the band. The you can slide it out farther when you are putting the watch on and you don't have to bend the strap sharply to fit into it. Just be careful not to lose the unsecured keepers when you are changing out straps. Definitely some deployants aren't comfortable. I've sometimes found deployants sold on eBay that fit me well and substituted them for pin buckles or uncomfortable deployants.
As a person who has had this conversation with a young guy selling me a watch I was very clear with him. If you have to pay in instalments then do not consider buying. This is a luxury item, a depreciable asset. This is literally the worst thing to spend your money on. Only do it if this is something you truly like to do or enjoy. And can afford it without taking on debt.
I am willing to bet that the majority of people who own popular entry to mid level luxury watches in the price bracket of Breitling, Omega, IWC, Rolex etc have made the purchase under some form of instalment, whether it’s a 4-9 or even 12 month plan. You could count probably in two hands the amount of people who can go into an AD and throw 6-7 grand in one go without sweating and get a watch. And most of them were likely saving for months in advance or even years. And usually those are the ones who appreciate those watches the most. Now, you obviously have those who sacrifice their absolutely basics and even go in debt in order to get a Rolex. Once the purchase interferes with your living standards and to the point the sacrifices are affecting your life and put you at a high risk, then yes, you’re stupid.
A watch should look good,make you feel good & not make you go broke. Its not my most expensive piece but today I have on my wafer thin Movado Circa gold w/ alligator band. Its Swiss made,about 950$ & A beautiful watch. Love this thing!
Weighing in... Buckle... tang always! Apart from less chance of dropping the watch on donning, deployant offers no benefit. Fed is right, ridiculously uncomfortable fit for the most part. Much harder to let out a hole or tighten a hole in response to wrist changes. Harder to swap straps among watches if they are made for deployant. And oh the thickness! Fine for walking around town, but sit down in front of the computer to get some work done and nothing beats the thinner tang setup. I have a number of deployants... all sitting in the boxes the watches came in. I guess if I ever sell, I can offer a mint condition tang buckle as part of the package! MB&F... had the last version (Time to Love). A cool piece well worth experiencing, but just not suitable for a long-term collection hold (unless you have unlimited budget). This new S series being much thinner might just be a keeper though. The colors look nice and the movement is now Swiss. I did not win a spot in the raffle so I will keep an eye out for the secondary offerings. I don't see the prices staying over retail on the M.A.D. 1's over the long haul, so might be a chance to snag a great deal on one for the patient.
There has to be at least 200 of us watch content creators on RUclips, some a lot more successful than others. I have never had a watch serviced. I dream of one day owning my own business.
Good point about servicing. My question related to this is: why do prices for servicing vary so much, sometimes wildly so? Example: I have a vintage Tavannes from the 1930s. It stopped working & I sent it to a watch guy in Michigan who worked on my dad's Rolex. He said it would cost $4K to fix it (no cleaning the dial or polishing the case, etc...). I said I'll wait. I then took the watch to a place in Glasgow, UK. That guy fixed it for 185 pounds (about $220). WTF?
One reason I finaly went for Eco drive does not Service and timekeeping is much better.I had over 25 watches and service cost did not making any finacel sense anymore
Tang buckle definitely more comfortable. Good answer to what do people do to afford. $50,000+ watch. The only other category I would add is pro athletes.
I bought this popular video watch from MAMACOO , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!
He is asking the wrong question. You should never buy a depreciating asset unless it represents an insignificant amount of your net worth. Therefore, the question to be asked is "how did you build your wealth". And the answer will certainly not include "by trying to live beyond my means".
Precisely. And I would add - buy watches on the secondary market because there are plenty of barely worn watches for significantly lower than retail price. And only buy what you could easily buy twice (in case it's stolen or lost).
I used to follow the other watch RUclipsrs somewhat regularly, but after Watch Finder got a divorce I mostly check on Mr. Fed when his vids pop up and once in a great while Teddy’s. So… I’m guessing I missed some drama a while back between him and T.U.G.? His name was conspicuously absent from Frederick’s impromptu list. Can someone share why?
My method. I save money 500 a month. In a high return but boring investment vehicle. Then i got a Tudor. A year and change later got a sub. A year and change later i graduated to a gmt. 2020 to 23 i was disrupted cause the market got crazy. Never stopped my 500 a month. Im going for my grail which is a patek Aquanaut. That will be the end.
I sold my business in 2016 and had time and money and turned a mild interest in watches into what I am sure many people see as a ridiculously expensive collection of watches.
I hate servicing because every single time they F up my watch. They ruined my Grand seiko by prying out the bracelet and denting the case. I avoid it like the plague
@@LeeePowers yep the grand seiko service center in NJ. I looked up the location of the regular seiko service center and its in the same area which makes me believe they share resources
When buying a luxury watch hits you the same way as a fancy dinner, then you can afford it. If you have to save for years or it causes you stress to get one, then you can’t afford it.
Now that Fed is sticking more rolex maybe. But pro athletes are more commonly going for recognizable status than high horology. They'll wear APs and Rolex but doubtful you'll see them wearing an H Moser or IWC.
Hyper wealthy people wear G Shocks, Apple Watches and Casios. At most, a stainless Rolex. I’m talking billionaires. I’m talking ‘old money’. My friends don’t wear any of this shit. If you know any. Tell me that I’m wrong.
@@ericp1139 Your list is so crazy accurate. I’ve worn my Rolexes, IWC’s, Cartiers etc. in my younger days. Sold one of my companies and was going to get a Patek but nothing beats an Apple Watch.
There are obvious reasons why business owners buy expensive watches and cars. Tax breaks. A W2 employee makes $100k, gets taxed $35k and takes home $65k. From the $65k, he/she buys groceries, buys cars, buys watches, buys clothes, eats, pays rent. They have $500 at the end of the month. A business owners makes $100k and then buys cars, watches, and goes out to eat. Then the business owner has $50k left and gets taxed $10k. Takes home $40k. Be a business owner.
That is such tiktok finance. Do not do this, you run a real risk for what, a 50% deduction? Lets say you get full deduction and end up saving twenty percent on the 10k watch, is that worth it? No business owner I know is that dumb.
@@OffOfTheCuff Do "what" exactly? You seem to be making some wild generalizations. I responded for him to talk to a CPA and then itemized certain deductions that are allowed under marketing. You can spend money on events for marketing purposes (parties) and give away prizes or gifts.
@@JYLee-rr1sy There is no scenario where it would be worth it to try to deduct a watch purchase as a business gift. You seem to be confused about the law, the extent deductions can offset a purchase, and the difference between deductions and credits. You are peddling bad advice and making people think that business owners can do things that they can't or that they can buy things and magically make the money back in deductions when that is far from the truth. Advice like this from people on the internet misleads people into making bad decisions.
Read the beginning of Cosmopolis! The book lists top gems in every area of everything, including jobs. Top men by Eric's skyscraper. The book is called the Bible of now.
Your candor is second to none, Fed. Genial. Un abrazo
My favorite 2024 is the Prospex Limited Edition 1965 Recreation European Exclusive in Gradation Island Blue. The dial is stunning and the contrast when on a white strap is to die for. I will get my hands on one from AMZWATCH
Can’t beat gold polished Roman numerals that sparkle like jewels in the sunlight. Loving the sun ray dial man that pops! AMZWATCH watches. What a beautiful subtle piece.
Great video! And the best part is the love you have for your fellow business owners regardless of the type of business. You're the best!
Agree 100% about what you said about servicing. 👍
1974 Rolex President, Yellow Gold. Bought in 1975 - Never Serviced, Runs Fine.
Do you wear it often?
Thanks Frederico! I shake my head when I see suggested five-year intervals! C’mon. If a watch really actually needs servicing every five years, I’m not interested. 😂
I agree....except for the older Panerai tang buckles....dig into my wrist so much....hate them
My main watch is an Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT (43.5mm GoodPlanet). I've had it for bang on 8 years, still fine. Back then it was recommended to get it services every 4-5 years, but right now for me in the UK that would be £590 ($765 USD). If I sent it in now, they'd polish it, replace gaskets and pressure test it. But if I sent it in not working well and it needed the movement rebuilt, it costs me the same. I don't care if some parts need replaced.
But yes, if you have a much fancier watch with more complications and not a co-axial escapement, then maybe it makes sense. Or if it's not as valuable then you don't need to go via the official option - the various service centres. In which case a more local watchmaker may service it for half the price.
I bought my TAG Heuer 2000 auto in ‘04, & it was “my watch” until ‘17, when it began losing 1+ min/day. I had it serviced at that point. I don’t plan to service my newer watches until they go out of specs or about 10 years, whatever happens first!
It's only about $500 for a TAG. Rolex can run above $1800, not including repairs. If servicing gets too expensive, I'm just going to go with a Quartz watch. This is getting crazy.
@@JohnBowl14690 In ‘17 I paid $320 to have it serviced. I don’t think my TAG is even worth that much! If it didn’t have such sentimental value, I probably wouldn’t have it done. I may take it to a watchmaker next time to see if they can do it for less. It’s got an ETA 2824 movement, so it’s fairly common.
I recall years ago a video with you, Christian (Theo and Harris) and possibly Gentleman watches (I think, it was a British guy).
Love your videos, keep up the good work.
I've had a Baume Mercier Capeland chrono since 2002 just serviced it for the first time due to dropping it and it stopped running. It did cost $750 for the service due to broken parts. All polished it looks an runs like new!!!
Always enjoy your industry veteran knowledge non influence style offering buying tips and advise. Heady Teddy and Juicy Brucie belong in Alaska selling ice to Eskimos!
I have a Seiko skx009j. Had it since 2018 I think. doesn't even keep time anymore. -40 seconds per day (about). I have no plans on servicing it LOL.
A deployant is useful if you have an alligator strap or other expensive strap that you don't want to bend sharply to fit into the first keeper. If you have an alligator strap custom made (e.g., from Delugs), you can request that the first keeper not be stitched into the band. The you can slide it out farther when you are putting the watch on and you don't have to bend the strap sharply to fit into it. Just be careful not to lose the unsecured keepers when you are changing out straps.
Definitely some deployants aren't comfortable. I've sometimes found deployants sold on eBay that fit me well and substituted them for pin buckles or uncomfortable deployants.
Do you source watches for clients or you only sell the watches on your website?
God!!! MAMACOO Who would have thought those gorgeous watches go for that low!!!
As a person who has had this conversation with a young guy selling me a watch I was very clear with him. If you have to pay in instalments then do not consider buying. This is a luxury item, a depreciable asset. This is literally the worst thing to spend your money on. Only do it if this is something you truly like to do or enjoy. And can afford it without taking on debt.
I am willing to bet that the majority of people who own popular entry to mid level luxury watches in the price bracket of Breitling, Omega, IWC, Rolex etc have made the purchase under some form of instalment, whether it’s a 4-9 or even 12 month plan. You could count probably in two hands the amount of people who can go into an AD and throw 6-7 grand in one go without sweating and get a watch. And most of them were likely saving for months in advance or even years. And usually those are the ones who appreciate those watches the most.
Now, you obviously have those who sacrifice their absolutely basics and even go in debt in order to get a Rolex. Once the purchase interferes with your living standards and to the point the sacrifices are affecting your life and put you at a high risk, then yes, you’re stupid.
@@gpapa31I bought all my 3 Rolexes upfront with no financing. But I save up first then buy once I have the funds to do so.
@@gpapa31if it’s 0% financing, it’s fine. But if you’re paying interest on a watch, you’re a sucker.
Keep up the great work man 👏
A watch should look good,make you feel good & not make you go broke. Its not my most expensive piece but today I have on my wafer thin Movado Circa gold w/ alligator band. Its Swiss made,about 950$ & A beautiful watch. Love this thing!
Weighing in...
Buckle... tang always! Apart from less chance of dropping the watch on donning, deployant offers no benefit. Fed is right, ridiculously uncomfortable fit for the most part. Much harder to let out a hole or tighten a hole in response to wrist changes. Harder to swap straps among watches if they are made for deployant. And oh the thickness! Fine for walking around town, but sit down in front of the computer to get some work done and nothing beats the thinner tang setup. I have a number of deployants... all sitting in the boxes the watches came in. I guess if I ever sell, I can offer a mint condition tang buckle as part of the package!
MB&F... had the last version (Time to Love). A cool piece well worth experiencing, but just not suitable for a long-term collection hold (unless you have unlimited budget). This new S series being much thinner might just be a keeper though. The colors look nice and the movement is now Swiss. I did not win a spot in the raffle so I will keep an eye out for the secondary offerings. I don't see the prices staying over retail on the M.A.D. 1's over the long haul, so might be a chance to snag a great deal on one for the patient.
There has to be at least 200 of us watch content creators on RUclips, some a lot more successful than others. I have never had a watch serviced. I dream of one day owning my own business.
Fed turns out such quality videos.
Good point about servicing. My question related to this is: why do prices for servicing vary so much, sometimes wildly so? Example: I have a vintage Tavannes from the 1930s. It stopped working & I sent it to a watch guy in Michigan who worked on my dad's Rolex. He said it would cost $4K to fix it (no cleaning the dial or polishing the case, etc...). I said I'll wait. I then took the watch to a place in Glasgow, UK. That guy fixed it for 185 pounds (about $220). WTF?
It's not cheap to go to the UK, plus the time it takes to fly there.
@@JohnBowl14690 We were going there anyway.....mother-in-law is there.
Import/ export eh if you’re in Miami!
Deployant on reverso bloody hurt!
One reason I finaly went for Eco drive does not Service and timekeeping is much better.I had over 25 watches and service cost did not making any finacel sense anymore
It will eventually need a new cell. I have had two die on me.
@@mmadchef808@ mmadchef808 As I am 75, the watches will outlive me! So far no problems
Still way cheaper than servicing@@mmadchef808
Heads-up Fed, your Romain Jerome Spacecraft listing has no photos of the actual time-telling part.
😉👍
Did John start a retail watch business to compete with DeRay?
I would think inheritance wealth is a factor for buyers, at least in my case
Tang buckle definitely more comfortable. Good answer to what do people do to afford. $50,000+ watch. The only other category I would add is pro athletes.
Tang vs Deployant: you must first ask if it’s deployant done right (Cartier) or wrong (Apple Watch Hermès).
+1 on deployant comment. I love how they look but hate how they fit.
I bought this popular video watch from MAMACOO , which was originally priced at a few thousand dollars, but now it's only $380! It's really suitable to pick up feces!
He is asking the wrong question. You should never buy a depreciating asset unless it represents an insignificant amount of your net worth. Therefore, the question to be asked is "how did you build your wealth". And the answer will certainly not include "by trying to live beyond my means".
Precisely. And I would add - buy watches on the secondary market because there are plenty of barely worn watches for significantly lower than retail price. And only buy what you could easily buy twice (in case it's stolen or lost).
Wealth, as everything is subjective!🤷🏻♂️
I used to follow the other watch RUclipsrs somewhat regularly, but after Watch Finder got a divorce I mostly check on Mr. Fed when his vids pop up and once in a great while Teddy’s. So… I’m guessing I missed some drama a while back between him and T.U.G.? His name was conspicuously absent from Frederick’s impromptu list. Can someone share why?
When did Andrew get a divorce???
My method. I save money 500 a month. In a high return but boring investment vehicle. Then i got a Tudor. A year and change later got a sub. A year and change later i graduated to a gmt. 2020 to 23 i was disrupted cause the market got crazy. Never stopped my 500 a month. Im going for my grail which is a patek Aquanaut. That will be the end.
I sold my business in 2016 and had time and money and turned a mild interest in watches into what I am sure many people see as a ridiculously expensive collection of watches.
At which price point does a watch become ultra luxury?
I'd say 50k+ or if it's enough to pay for a deposit for a half decent house.
The spacecraft gives off Darth Vader vibes…anyone else seeing that?
Tang vs Deployeant - I've found some deployants can be tricky to set, like a Cartier deployant on a leather strap.
buy a bunch of 4-8k watches over a couple of years, then sell them all and jump into something higher end. Only have one wrist, right?
I hate servicing because every single time they F up my watch. They ruined my Grand seiko by prying out the bracelet and denting the case. I avoid it like the plague
Who ruined your Grand Seiko?
Grand Seiko?
@@LeeePowers yep the grand seiko service center in NJ. I looked up the location of the regular seiko service center and its in the same area which makes me believe they share resources
It is stressful, and I don’t know what recourse there is, did you complain to them about it and get any result?
@@vktravellog1242 wasn't the myth that GS got sent back home for service? Or is that only for Spring Drive?
@@LeeePowers only spring drive. Believe me I asked it to be sent to Japan after the first time they messed up and then the second was even worst
If you can't even offer a deployant, are you even anything above mall watch?
You sell that Datejust already?
When the watch stops i service
When buying a luxury watch hits you the same way as a fancy dinner, then you can afford it. If you have to save for years or it causes you stress to get one, then you can’t afford it.
How to afford? Idk, have the money lmao
Work & save
Been asking this question since I was 13😅😅
Tang is the socially smartest.
You’re in Miami…pro athletes ? NBA, NFL MLB ?
Now that Fed is sticking more rolex maybe. But pro athletes are more commonly going for recognizable status than high horology. They'll wear APs and Rolex but doubtful you'll see them wearing an H Moser or IWC.
@@kenwood3988IWC is high horology?
many of the younger buyers you see on sites like CRM etc made money on crypto
Roman Sharf 🤢
Don't have to, happy with my 70 bucks Divex
First baby!!
a watch itself could close millionarie deals! !!!
Hyper wealthy people wear G Shocks, Apple Watches and Casios. At most, a stainless Rolex.
I’m talking billionaires. I’m talking ‘old money’. My friends don’t wear any of this shit. If you know any. Tell me that I’m wrong.
Analyst promotion: Rolex
Manager promotion: Patek
CEO: Apple Watch
@@ericp1139 Your list is so crazy accurate. I’ve worn my Rolexes, IWC’s, Cartiers etc. in my younger days. Sold one of my companies and was going to get a Patek but nothing beats an Apple Watch.
I am a male stripper. I own only Rolex watches.
@@Bu-22 yes. I ironed them first.
Ahhh you guys are great!!!😂😊
There are obvious reasons why business owners buy expensive watches and cars. Tax breaks. A W2 employee makes $100k, gets taxed $35k and takes home $65k. From the $65k, he/she buys groceries, buys cars, buys watches, buys clothes, eats, pays rent. They have $500 at the end of the month. A business owners makes $100k and then buys cars, watches, and goes out to eat. Then the business owner has $50k left and gets taxed $10k. Takes home $40k. Be a business owner.
Business owner here, how are you deducting watches?
@@OffOfTheCuff ask your cpa. I’m not a cpa. However. Parties and gifts are deductible
That is such tiktok finance. Do not do this, you run a real risk for what, a 50% deduction? Lets say you get full deduction and end up saving twenty percent on the 10k watch, is that worth it? No business owner I know is that dumb.
@@OffOfTheCuff Do "what" exactly? You seem to be making some wild generalizations. I responded for him to talk to a CPA and then itemized certain deductions that are allowed under marketing. You can spend money on events for marketing purposes (parties) and give away prizes or gifts.
@@JYLee-rr1sy There is no scenario where it would be worth it to try to deduct a watch purchase as a business gift. You seem to be confused about the law, the extent deductions can offset a purchase, and the difference between deductions and credits. You are peddling bad advice and making people think that business owners can do things that they can't or that they can buy things and magically make the money back in deductions when that is far from the truth. Advice like this from people on the internet misleads people into making bad decisions.
Read the beginning of Cosmopolis! The book lists top gems in every area of everything, including jobs. Top men by Eric's skyscraper. The book is called the Bible of now.