So I kind of made a mistake in the video when talking about 4 ohm speakers, 8 ohm speakers and the watts to drive them (thanks to those folks for pointing it out). Part of this issue comes from my lack of sleep (thanks insomnia!), so sorry about that. The other issue is that watts and ohms are two different things. Basically, ohms measure how hard it is for electricity to flow through something, while watts measure how much energy is being used by something. I’ll explain a bit more below but keep in mind, I'm a home theater enthusiast, not an expert. Someone way more knowledgeable than me should feel free to chime in below and help me out if they want. I think I need it at this point haha. 😁 The main issue with what I said in regards to wattage and ohms in the video is this: wattage is a measure of electrical power, while ohms measures the resistance between two points. Trying to say “4 ohm speakers need more watts to sound as loud as an 8 ohm speaker when trying to reach the same volume level,” is incorrect. Wattage and ohms have a complicated relationship. When we talk about speakers, we use ohms to describe how much electricity flows through them. Imagine a water hose with a narrow opening and a wide opening. If you turn on the water, the water will come out faster through the wide opening than through the narrow opening. This is because there is less resistance in the wide opening, and more resistance in the narrow opening. Ohms work the same way. A speaker with a lower ohm rating, like 4 ohms, has less resistance to electricity flowing through it. This means that more electricity can flow through the speaker, which can make it louder. On the other hand, a speaker with a higher ohm rating, like 8 ohms, has more resistance to electricity flowing through it. This means that less electricity can flow through the speaker, which can make it quieter. So, in simple terms, a 4 ohm speaker can be louder than an 8 ohm speaker because it lets more electricity flow through it. However, you’ll preferably need an amplifier rated for 4 ohm speakers if you like to push your system HARD and LOUD as 4 ohm speaker loads DO put more strain and stress on amplifiers than 8 ohm loads. All that electricity flowing through a 4 ohm speaker generates more heat as well, and some receivers have an issue dissipating all that heat quickly enough which can trigger the receiver to shut down and go into protection mode. If you listen at lower volumes this likely won’t be an issue, though, so keep that in mind. Hope this clears things up a bit. Check out The Fun Waste of Time podcast here: thefunwasteoftime.com Check out Obsessive Compulsive Audiophile's channel here: www.youtube.com/@ocaudiophile _EDITED FOR FURTHER CLARITY_
This is incorrect. There is very much a direct relationship between Watts and Ohms due to Ohm's Law which is V=IR [Voltage = Amps x Resistance]. Speakers are voltage driven devices i.e. more voltage = more cone excursion = more SPL. As power in Watts = VI [Volts x Amps], as resistance (or impedance in an AC circuit) halves, amps (current) doubles to maintain the voltage across the speaker. This causes twice as much power to be used. This is why, other things being equal, 4 Ohm speakers are much harder to driver than 8 Ohms ones.
@winstonwolfe9681 thanks. I definitely don't know as much about this stuff as I thought I did so I appreciate you posting this. Just remind me to never, ever mention any of this in a video again. LOL.
Hi, I hope you are well. Great channel with great insights. I’ve been living with home cinema since the 90’s and I’m still picking up new things, elans’ channel is great too. I learned a long time ago that the best audio sound is achieved by having the shortest route possible from your media to your speakers. Dirac live etc, and dynamic range options are mostly adding noise to the mix. I used them for years but always felt a little inaccurate. Room and speaker choice and positions are the most important things to consider. All the processing tinkering is moving the sound away from its original intention. Im lucky enough to have most of my speakers in the best position so I just set my levels with a sound meter and input my roll off frequencies. Every sound enhancement feature is turned off. The biggest pain in the arse is bass. I’ve pulled my hair out trying to get it the best, I’ve tried everything. But I’ve finally managed to get it right ish. Dolby Atmos is great but boy it’s been a tough couple of years getting them right. But we love it eh?! Keep up the great videos mate. Sincerely Mark J Berwick
No speakers are truly a 8ohms or 4ohms. Because with frequency changes, the impedance changes. So for example my Focal chora towers are listed as 8 ohms but according to the impedance curve of the speakers, it dips down to 2.8ohms between 100-200hz. So when I turn up the volume on my NAD t778 and measure movies with a RTA, I get a big dip in that area during dynamic scenes. I believe this is why so many people hear a difference with an external amplifier
Ok, I love your room with the near field surround going on. I used to have a setup like that. And four subs in that small room has to be one hell of a ride, lol. I always mark my speakers when I have to move them. Much easier!
Obsessive guy is great and I've tried to watch his videos, but if there was a way you could make it more accessible to the masses, that would be amazing!
Agree, would be interested in seeing a video on manual calibration. I'd also be interested in hearing your thoughts on your own system sound via X32 calibration qnd how night & day, or lack there of the difference is. Thanks for the great content & may the fourth be with you!
He really is awesome. I actually watch his videos at 75% speed just to slow him down so I can follow. So good though. I was thinking one day if I have the time to go through his steps and take screenshots and make a PDF follow along tutorial. Also can’t wait for Joe N Tells Magic Beans app to come out. Hopefully he’s figured out a way to make expert level calibration more accessible.
I have the same Denon X2300W. Its been an absolute workhorse. I'm still getting better sound quality from it each time I learn something new. I finally got my dedicated room going, so soon I will be upgrading to a Denon X6700H. Going for 6 ceiling channels as my room is long enough for it. Now that you have the 6300H, you gotta try out Auro3D.
I loved my X2300W. Had it since before I even started the channel (purchased it 2016 I want to say). Wouldn’t change my time with it at all, it was just time for an upgrade. I’d really like to check out Auro3D, but at $199 it’s a really tough sell for a format that hasn’t really taken off and likely won’t. So basically it would just be used for upmixing, and I just don’t think it’d be worth it just for that in my opinion.
Yes! Do the REW manual calibration video! I have watched the OCA Audyssey video but I'd like to see your take on it. You just know once it get the views, it could shake things up amongst other home theater YT channels. I intend to implement this method but I'll have to wait a few weeks to start. It's long process but I'm a patient man who is excited about the results!
There's a common misconception that Dirac is an Auto-EQ software. That's really just a small part of what it does. The main function of Dirac is it's ability to alter impulse response, which makes a WAY bigger audible difference than EQ'ing your speakers, especially in a non-rectangular room (like a living room). The reason I know this is because sometimes (maybe 20% of the time), Dirac gets it wrong, waaay wrong and alters you impulse response to where it makes your system sound like utter crap, like your wearing headphone or have the receiver set to all channel stereo. In that case it messed up on calculating the impulse response and/or measurements and you need to completely start over and run it again. BUT, once it gets it right, OMG it makes your system sound AMAZING! In fact I usually don't even let Dirac edit the EQ curve, I like my speakers to sound as designed. I edit the curtains to where it only changes the impulse response only because that's what make the biggest difference. Dirac really is a gamechanger, but still a bit buggy TBH. Still absolutely worth it though. I won't ever get another receiver without it.
I would LOVE to see a video(s) about manual calibration using the his method for my Denons! Seems promising but it’s a bit hard To understand for the average Joe. Congratulations on the 6300!
Hi Brad. I followed your video on the multi eq app and it has significantly improved the audio . Thanks for putting the video up for novices like myself! My q acoustics 3050is feel like they can breathe again.
My overhead channels were an evolution, as well. Had two "front presence" speakers in my old Yamaha system. Added two in-ceiling speakers just rear of listening position that I thought I would use as my L/R rears, but ended up adding two rear in-wall speakers to take over those duties. I ended up adding two more in-ceiling just ahead of listening position, leaving me with six overhead speakers that I'm using as "front height," "top front," and "top rear." Luckily, I have a Denon X8500H so I have plenty of speaker setup and sound decoding options to choose from. Fun, but expensive hobby to have! Does sound great with movies that have spent some time with tweaking the Atmos soundtrack.
I must know, my friend, are you also test driving Jedi Survivor? The Atmos is sublime! Crossing fingers to a "smoothing" patch soon - Course, XBSX is running it good currently.
@caczech I picked it up on the PS5 and I've played a couple hours of it. The audio is honestly the best of the best in my opinion. It sounds amazing unmixed as well. Does the Series X version support Atmos natively? In regards to performance, yeah... I can't recommend this game to anyone right now because of that as I, myself, am having trouble really enjoying the game due to that. I've actually had to stick with quality mode at 30fps because of the issues with performance mode. I might stop playing until the iron things out in a month or two.
One more comment: watched the videos by OCA you recommended & subscribed. I think a similar video with your instruction, editing, etc would be very helpful as well.
Great video! I have actually recently upgraded my heights from 2 to 4 as well such a nice improvement gives a much more convincing bubble of sound that's missing from the rear in a typical 5.1.2 setup. I have actually been watching obsessive compulsive audio channel as well lots of good information on there. Would definitely like your own video of all the calibration you did, your minidsp subwoofer videos really helped me out a lot. Appreciate your videos!
Thank you so much! Yeah, the upgrade from 2 to 4 height speakers is a really huge improvement. I kind of need to stop listening to demo tracks and watch a whole damn movie haha. I have been playing Star Wars Jedi Survivor and while that game's performance is a mess, the audio on that one is on point!
@@HomeTheaterGamer Haha same with me I like putting on demos just to compare and see what details you can pick out. I really like listening to atmos music through the apple tv I can kill hours doing that alone. Some really good atmos music is being released more frequently now.
I've got the Marantz sr6012, adding power amps is what gave me a big impact, sounds so much stronger. I'm actually upgrading the power amps this Sunday to QSC DCA's for all my 7.2.4 speakers
That’s awesome! I’m really interested to try out separate power amps for my main speakers at least. I’m in talks with Aperion Audio to try out one of their new Energy amps, so I’m stoked to say the least!
I have two Atmos setups, TX-RZ50 7.1.2 using Dolby upward firing speakers (Dirac) and an AVR-X6700H 7.1.4 using bookshelf speakers mounted to the ceiling (Audyssey). The upward-firing setup sounds more convincing (louder?) than the ceiling-mounted speakers, not sure if that's a Dirac vs Audyssey thing or a balance thing. The ceiling-mounted speakers seem to blend in more; I can tell that audio sounds fuller, but the height audio sounds more subtle so I might consider bumping the volume on the ceiling speakers to help them stand out. Resident Evil 4 is a current game that has Atmos on PC (I assume that means Xbox as well), definitely not PS5), the chains sound effect in the title screen audio sounded much more pronounced on my upward-firing speakers than my ceiling speakers.
Would love that tutorial maybe throw in a few ways sact can be used for manual calibration as well. Im definitely into manual calibration these days too.
I’ve developed a renewed love for music and audio since getting a $2300 Sonos Atmos system , but I’m considering returning for a good receiver and passive speaker set. I never realized how difficult it’d be to decide what to go with. So many great options; dealing with a little option paralysis here.
I absolutely get the option paralysis. First world problems, I know. Having so many options out there and also so many different opinions when doing research on gear makes it difficult. I've always made sure I buy from a place that has a great and no hassle return policy because just like you, I might change my mind.
Another great video. Wanted to leave a comment to support. I have 4700 with Auro. I use the standard 4 speaker atmos layout but upmix to Auro. I find it better than neural….maybe. Only slightly. Congrats and enjoy
@@HomeTheaterGamer Yessir, exactly. I wouldn't advise anyone to upgrade for that feature alone. Watched Saving Pvt Ryan again this weekend - upmixing worked surprisingly well for an old movie. Save your cash and get the amps you want. I'd love to know if they make a difference when you "should" already have enough power.
Brad, 11 channels - AWESOME! So happy for you and your Mrs. I hope you two enjoy the heck out of the Denon AVR. Per a previous video of yours about streaming vs disk - was the "demos" that you just watched with this AVR from disks? I started to watch Avengers Infinity Wars on Disney+ (15 minutes) and then I popped the 4k disk in our Panasonic 420 and the audio and video was much better. For those of us that will never be rich enough to afford a K-Scape system I feel 4k disks are our best source. All the very best, Kevin
Thanks Kevin! It’s definitely a HUGE upgrade and improvement. I don’t know if I’ll ever run back surrounds due to how close the seats are to the back wall, but it’s nice to have the flexibility to do so if I want to!
Haha. You’re not the first to comment that. I personally never keep stickers on anything unless they’re a real pain in the ass to remove (like my 4K Blu-ray player). These thankfully were not.
Congrats on your new upgrade Brad 🎉..I was watching the same RUclipsr OCA but to be honest every time I watch his channel I get lost and I always wish if you could make some tutorials which are easily understood as you always do. Thanks
Watch his ultimate audyssey tutorial. It goes step by step. It took me a couple of watches, but once you get into it, it's really easy. If you have REW and a mic, even doing the delay, levels, and crossover steps can really help any existing calibrations.
@@thecrlghs Yeah I think it’s best to watch the video once or twice and then attempt the calibration. More of it really sunk in the second time I watched it.
Thanks for a great video. And allso just a note of consern: It looked as if your reciver had to little headroom in the top. They get hot, even without driving all speakers :) Maybe you have some cooling in your cabinet we didnt see :) I have the X6500H and loving it! Still, i only use it as a preamp for my fronts. But it drives my two heights and surrounds in a 5.2.2 config. Liked your roof alot and was wondering about doing something similar in my livingroom setup istead of cutting holes in the existing ceiling, and tackle the pain of speaker cables in an unknown ceiling arrangement. My current atmos speakers are mounted high up on the wall, and are not 100% ideal, so in ceiling speakers are something that i want in an future upgrade.
Thanks for commenting! There’s about 5-6 inches of room above the receiver, but in all honesty I’m looking at getting a small, open AV rack for the receiver and eventual amplifier because it’s pretty tight and most amps won’t fit inside. I just have to figure out where I can put the damn AV rack in the room without having to run new wires haha. First world problems.
Did you have an existing ceiling before you put in your drop ceiling. I'm thinking about doing this. My current ceiling has recess lighting. So, I'm trying to figure out how to lower the recess lights once I put in the drop ceiling.
Congrats on the upgrade to 7.4! I also have the Aperions for my overheads. Huge question for the Home Theater Gamer: how do you get your PC to send/recognize Atmos or DTS to the receiver? I just got a 4070ti-based setup and NOTHING I’ve been able to do will get anything other than stereo for games. I’ve downloaded the Atmos and DTS applets, changed settings in Windows….it’ll even (sometimes) send multichannel test tones to my 7.1 surround bed (but never overhead). But when I get in any game it’s strictly back to 2-channel only. A tutorial on this would be a godsend!!!
As a matter of fact, I am running Windows 11! 😬 I should also mention that I don’t have a dedicated sound card and I’m sending audio to my AVR via the GPU’s HDMI output. I should also also mention that I can’t even get standard 5.1 or 7.1 out of any game; it just sends stereo out (the AVR upmixes it, but it can only do so much).
I’ll go out a limb and say that Windows 11 itself may be the culprit. I recently helped a friend measure his system remotely, and he was using Windows 11. We had a heck of time getting Dolby Atmos to work with the measurement files, to the point where we had to do some workarounds to get it to work at all. I read a few things online that echoed my experience. For the record, I have no Windows 11 installations on any of my machines, so I may not be of much help unfortunately. It looks like there are few things you can try by googling it, but none of the methods like “use audio troubleshooter” worked for us.
I have finished the manual calibration using OCA's Supreme Audyssey video. Yep, forget about all other automated software including Dirac! If your not willing to put the time into it, then Dirac should suffice. If you want it calibrated to perfection, I'm afraid this may be the only true way of doing it. OCA's upcoming videos will be showing newer and improved ways of manual calibration. Seeing as how the REW software is continuously improving, so will OCA's methods. Trust me, if you have the time and patience for the manual calibration, you wont care about automated calibration software ever again!
I haven't done the full manual calibration from OCA's video, but I did do the impulse response alignment on top of my Audyssey calibration and it made a surprising difference. Part of me wants to go the full manual route, but I think I will wind up really missing Dynamic EQ for low volume listening (eg. - 35 - 40 dB). Did you use DEQ on your old receiver and, if so, how much do you now have to bump your volume up when watching content at a normal listening level?
Brad, DON'T pay for Auro. I have a Marantz 8805. Auro upzmixing is nice and I use it for certain listening, but it's basically a semi-sophisticated multi-channel stereo. I think those that like it just like having all of their speakers firing at once, whether it's actually beneficial for immersion or not.
Thanks for the info and good to know. Really hard to justify spending the money for essentially a glorified upmixer as the format itself has lost all steam it seems.
Yes please if you can take the time out and make this easier for us that would be awesome! I appreciate all the time you take out to make the content to help us all!
Idk if you’re aware about the xt-32 issue. I was just recently informed on this after having my denon for almost a year now. I’ll put it in the exact words that were given to me “D&M receivers have an error where they use 1ft=1ms of delay instead of the actual speed of sound (roughly 1.132ms). If you're using MultEQ-X on the computer (the $200 product that lets you really dig into things), it does the correction for this automatically. If you AREN'T using it, take all of the measurements in your AVR and multiply them by 0.889 (if Metric, 0.875), then substitute those numbers in instead. This will get you better alignment between all of the speakers.” Hope that helps you or anyone else that reads this that is unaware of it.
I really enjoy your room and what you have created! I have a game room that is similar to your setup and honestly I love watching shows and movies in my smaller room. Especially when I cant listen to movies at reference volume at night. I just started to go down the separate amplifier road and I will tell you it is a game changer. My front stage has such good clarity and punch. Now my other speakers have more power as well. The next step is to get another amplifier to run my other bed layer speakers and just have my heights run by my denon AVR-X4700H
Thanks for the comment and kind words. I love the theater room (my wife does too). I spend a lot of time in there and I don't regret spending the time and energy making it into what it is now. I'm currently in talks with Aperion Audio to get one of their new 7-channel Energy amps in for long term review. Like you, I plan to run my bed layer speakers off the amp and the height speakers through the Denon X6300H. Excited to dive into the separate amp world.
@@HomeTheaterGamer I am actually thinking of getting the Aperion Audio e7 right now, since I could run all 7 channels with them. Then run my 4 heights off the X4700H. Just trying to do some research to see if the price is worth it to me. The Ealan Osborne review had me sold! haha
I did the Supreme Audyssey Calibration from OCS because it was newest but I wonder if the manual is better. Did you get a chance to try both? The Audyssey "hack" is fun, and sounds great, but I wonder if it's too complicated. I also found my bass to be nerfed (single sub, no dsp), which you've pointed out is a problem with Aud, but I'd hoped this would work around that.
I honestly never considered going down that road (OCA’s Supreme Audyssey Calibration) as the manual calibration is so good. But now I’m curious and need to go watch his video to see if it’s something that might be worth experimenting with.
@@HomeTheaterGamer I know you've been busy lately with new house, new theater, new pb4000 and...Diablo! But any chance you have thoughts on this now? I'm considering trying the manual to see if it's better but I haven't had a lot of free (quiet) time to do it. Thx!
I am using Marantz sr7011 and done Audyssey room correction with Multeq editor app... It's not doing full justice with subwoofers..Is there any video by you available for manual Home theater settings without using Audyssey?
Seeing your MiniDSP and REW Tutorials and the X6300h is MultEQ-X compatible. While I'm curious about the manual RQ and will check it out, I'm wondering if you could do a tutorial like with the minidsp since there's almost nothing on it.
I’m going to try reaching out to Audyssey to see if they’d be willing to provide a license for MultEQ-X and a calibrated Audyssey mic. I’d love to do a tutorial on it and see how it compares to the standard XT32 run along with Dirac, but $200 for the license alone isn’t currently in my budget.
I am very happy with my x2300 !:) the only thing I’d like to upgrade would be the second pair of atmos. So I think I need to go the same way as you did😅 should I look for 11channel avr or 9 would be fine(5.1.4)? Unfortunately in Uk I cannot even find x6300 so I thought it would be better to wait and safe some money for x3800 or is there any cheaper alternatives(still denon of course 😅)? Thanks you’re doing great!
@@keepitshema it's a great avr mate, I upgraded from the Sony strdn1080 5.1.2) to this , now running 5.2.4 on the denon and the addition of the extra heights are a real game changer for atmos .
My X6500h has a HEOS badge and also has web interface. It is strange that the x6300h doesn't have it. But I didn't know I could do manual calibration via web interface.
He does a great job but if you're not familiar with the tools or methods then it's really ease to get lost and/or feel overwhelmed. I'm going to try my hardest to make sure that doesn't happen when I do a tutorial video.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Indeed. What he teaches is just so advanced that you easily get lost 😅 Looking forward to it. You are usually great at explaining stuff!
Thanks for the comment! I'm planning to do research so I can make sure everyone is covered who wants to follow along, even though I don't have any other receiver than the Denon.
@@HomeTheaterGamer YES!!! Also can you update your mini dsp subwoofer calibration guide too. Right now I follow a blend of your method and Jeff Mery. I wrote it out, need to type it up. I'm willing to share that method.
First off, I love your videos, I really hope you do do that tutorial you were speaking of. I really enjoyed your mini DSP tutorial it really helped me out. Question I have for you though, is you said you don't need HDMI 2.1. are you not planning on gaming on this setup?
Thanks for the comment, @valdeze. In regards to gaming, I kind of glossed over some info quickly in the video. I actually have both the PS5 and XBOX Series X hooked up directly to my LG C1 OLED. The reason I don't need HDMI 2.1 on the receiver is because I use an HDMI eARC extractor to basically trick the OLED into thinking I have an HDMI 2.1 receiver; this means I get full resolution multi-channel audio support as if I had an HDMI 2.1 receiver (outside of DTS, which the LG doesn't support DTS unfortunately).
Thanks so much! Planning to do an XT32 video in the next few weeks. And also take some new funny pictures for my thumbnails. These are like a year old now haha.
What are your thoughts on Auro 3d? I'm building a dedicated theater room in the basement 28X14X9 looking at a 13.1 Auro 3d but I've heard you can configure a 9.1.4 setup in atmos so you could have both.
Thanks for the comment! I’m pretty much indifferent to Auro 3D, but I think I’d have a hard time recommending anyone going out of their way to accommodate a format that has been pretty much dead in the water for a while. Auro’s upmixing does get praised a lot, but personally I don’t find that a valid enough reason to jump through hoops or spend extra cash to get it.
I find that with DTS Neural X it has a tendency to actually create more of an “object based” effect, where certain sounds seem like they’re are placed discretely above you or towards your rear right for example. With the Dolby Surround Upmixer, I’ve always felt it added more of an ambience effect with less in the way of discrete sound objects placed in the height channels. I tend to prefer DTS Neural X for that reason, but there are times where I switch to to the Dolby upmixer because Neural X can be a bit too aggressive at times (the intro music to Modern Family is a perfect example of this).
Heck yeah! Pretty massive difference between what Audyssey was doing and what I was able to achieve manually using REW. Thinking down the road, when I go the seperate amplifier route, I'm looking at getting a PEQ to put in between the Denon and amps to have much more control and fine tuning over the graphic EQ in the Denon. Should make for even better control over the target curve.
@@HomeTheaterGamer for me the perfect match is rew, his tutorial and multeqx, taking audyssey measurement totally of the "toolchain". And simply to update. What audyssey got massively wrong in my case was impulse response, and eqing of fronts and tops. So much better now
@@JonMoralesLA friend of mine uses dirac and made some comparisons. From his pov OCA's manual editing is really close to dirac. Since dirac is more comfortable to use, he prefers dirac. He is using a yamaha, so has just experience with YPAO, but Dirac performs much better
@@StuggiSuzi I have the Denon 3800h. I’m dying to purchase the Dirac Live license for it. Also wanting to give the OCA method a try. Just been on vacation in Spain for 3 months…so dying to get back home and try these out.
Brad, I don't think your explanation of speaker impedance/power/volume is correct. Lower impedance speakers are harder for an amplifier to control power flow as there's less resistance and most AVR are designed around an 8 ohm load. It does not translate to more power required to reach the same volume as an 8 ohm, that's a matter of sensitivity. That's my understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks for the comment. I honestly just went for a blanket approach in the video because most folks understand watts, with 4 ohm speakers being much more power hungry and harder to drive than 6 or 8 ohm speakers. In reality though, it's a lot more complicated as speaker ohms fluctuate quite a bit when actually in use. With that said, I'll be the first to admit that I'm definitely no expert when it comes to stuff like ohm ratings, so if I did state something incorrectly or if my overall statement is so far off then I want to know about it.
@@HomeTheaterGamer All good Brad, just wanted to highlight the topic before the internet trolls start bombarding you. Yes, impedance is always fluctuating depending on frequency, manufacturers just state the average. I find the term "hard to drive" very confusing, it's actually easier to drive as there's lower resistance but harder to control, and most AVRs can lose control and do some damage. A lot of AVRs have an ohm switch on the back, all it does is limit power to prevent damage.
If I’m being honest, there’s a ton of home theater terms and verbiage that is downright confusing. I’ve been in this hobby over 20 years and a lot of things can and still do make me scratch my head and go “wait a minute… what!?” So then we get end up getting more common, blanket phrases like “harder to drive,” because going into more detail might induce that head-scratching haha. I’m definitely guilty of using those phrases from time to time (as I did in my first reply). It’s something I’m working on. Seriously, thanks for replying and I sincerely enjoy having these conversations.
Here’s a little snippet from the AVS Forum Amplifier FAQ on Speaker Impedance ---------- Do I need to match an amplifier's impedance (such as 8 ohms or 4 ohms) to my speakers? A solid state amplifier does not have an impedance as such (tube amps are a bit different in this respect.) Almost any audio amplifier will work with 8 ohm speakers (with some exceptions such as fixed voltage amps.) As you lower the impedance of speakers you connect to a amp, you place more demand on it. Lower impedance means more current will flow through it's output devices (usually transistors). More current means more heat. 4 ohm loads present a more difficult load for amplifiers. The lower impedance means electricity will flow more easily. That means the current flow will be higher. Higher current means more heat will develop in the amplifier, especially in the output devices. Amps typically have themal protection circuits. If you your amp is shutting down due to thermal overload, you are driving it too hard, not giving it enough ventilation, or the amp is not working properly. Amplifiers sold for pro audio applications, and for home audio would usually be able to handle 4 ohm loads with no issues. Receivers may shut down under heavy load. Or perhaps their longevity could be reduced, because they were not really designed for 4 ohm loads. Lower impedance is not suggested, such as connecting two 4 ohm speakers in parallel.
At my home not only my 18x15 feet living room with an 8 foot flat ceiling isn’t ideal enough for two or four In-Ceiling Dolby Atmos/DTSX Height Elevation Loudspeakers or even a 5.2.4 channel full on premium Dolby Atmos/DTSX Home Theater surround sound system with a highly acclaimed 9-channel av receiver four Dolby Atmos/DTSX Upward-Firing or In-Ceiling Height Elevation Loudspeakers Two Front Tower Loudspeakers Two Surround Loudspeakers One Center Channel Loudspeaker and Two Big Subwoofers in which a 5.2.4 Channel Full-On Dolby Atmos/DTSX Premium Home Theater Surround Sound System with a highly acclaimed 9 channel av receiver is highly perfect and recommended for bigger rooms but my living room that is 18x15 feet with an 8 foot flat ceiling is perfectly ideal enough for a 5.1.2 Channel Full-On Premium Dolby Atmos/DTSX Home Theater Surround Sound System with a highly acclaimed 7 channel av receiver so I bought a 5.1.2 channel Klipsch Dolby Atmos/DTSX Premium Home Theater Surround Sound System with 2 Klipsch Floorstanding Tower Loudspeakers paired 2 Dolby Atmos/DTSX Upward-Firing Height Elevation Loudspeakers 2 Bioplar Surround Loudspeakers One Center Channel Loudspeaker and a 12 inch Big Subwoofer then bought a 7 channel 2022 Denon Dolby Atmos/DTSX Premium Home Theater Surround Audio/Video Receiver (AVRS970H) then calibrated all the loudspeakers then it sounded a lot much way more immersive dynamic punchy richer impactful realistic cinematic detailed crystal-clearer better advanced powerful awesome three dimensional atmospheric with tons of great bass treble midrange clarity detail impact immersion dimension for watching enjoying and listening to many sports Dolby Atmos films tv shows or music DTSX films 5.1 films/tv shows or even stereo content such as music as if i was both transported right deeper into the center of the middle of the action and in a movie theater or a concert hall and I am enjoying the content as the sound team sound designers/editors/engineers sound mixers adr/dialogue team foley team sound recordists the music team composer conductor music engineer/editor orchestrator intended them to enjoy and experience it in
Thanks Steven! Appreciate all the help you've given me with both your videos and during our chats. Really wish we shot something when I stopped by your place back in January!
So I kind of made a mistake in the video when talking about 4 ohm speakers, 8 ohm speakers and the watts to drive them (thanks to those folks for pointing it out). Part of this issue comes from my lack of sleep (thanks insomnia!), so sorry about that. The other issue is that watts and ohms are two different things. Basically, ohms measure how hard it is for electricity to flow through something, while watts measure how much energy is being used by something. I’ll explain a bit more below but keep in mind, I'm a home theater enthusiast, not an expert. Someone way more knowledgeable than me should feel free to chime in below and help me out if they want. I think I need it at this point haha. 😁
The main issue with what I said in regards to wattage and ohms in the video is this: wattage is a measure of electrical power, while ohms measures the resistance between two points. Trying to say “4 ohm speakers need more watts to sound as loud as an 8 ohm speaker when trying to reach the same volume level,” is incorrect. Wattage and ohms have a complicated relationship.
When we talk about speakers, we use ohms to describe how much electricity flows through them. Imagine a water hose with a narrow opening and a wide opening. If you turn on the water, the water will come out faster through the wide opening than through the narrow opening. This is because there is less resistance in the wide opening, and more resistance in the narrow opening. Ohms work the same way. A speaker with a lower ohm rating, like 4 ohms, has less resistance to electricity flowing through it. This means that more electricity can flow through the speaker, which can make it louder.
On the other hand, a speaker with a higher ohm rating, like 8 ohms, has more resistance to electricity flowing through it. This means that less electricity can flow through the speaker, which can make it quieter. So, in simple terms, a 4 ohm speaker can be louder than an 8 ohm speaker because it lets more electricity flow through it.
However, you’ll preferably need an amplifier rated for 4 ohm speakers if you like to push your system HARD and LOUD as 4 ohm speaker loads DO put more strain and stress on amplifiers than 8 ohm loads. All that electricity flowing through a 4 ohm speaker generates more heat as well, and some receivers have an issue dissipating all that heat quickly enough which can trigger the receiver to shut down and go into protection mode. If you listen at lower volumes this likely won’t be an issue, though, so keep that in mind. Hope this clears things up a bit.
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This is incorrect. There is very much a direct relationship between Watts and Ohms due to Ohm's Law which is V=IR [Voltage = Amps x Resistance]. Speakers are voltage driven devices i.e. more voltage = more cone excursion = more SPL. As power in Watts = VI [Volts x Amps], as resistance (or impedance in an AC circuit) halves, amps (current) doubles to maintain the voltage across the speaker. This causes twice as much power to be used. This is why, other things being equal, 4 Ohm speakers are much harder to driver than 8 Ohms ones.
@winstonwolfe9681 thanks. I definitely don't know as much about this stuff as I thought I did so I appreciate you posting this. Just remind me to never, ever mention any of this in a video again. LOL.
Yeah, dude! I would watch your manual calibration REW tutorial! DO IT! 😁🎉
I'll just have you on a zoom call the whole time so you can creepily watch my screen. 😂
Yes, I would love to see the manual calibration video
Hi, I hope you are well. Great channel with great insights. I’ve been living with home cinema since the 90’s and I’m still picking up new things, elans’ channel is great too.
I learned a long time ago that the best audio sound is achieved by having the shortest route possible from your media to your speakers. Dirac live etc, and dynamic range options are mostly adding noise to the mix. I used them for years but always felt a little inaccurate. Room and speaker choice and positions are the most important things to consider. All the processing tinkering is moving the sound away from its original intention. Im lucky enough to have most of my speakers in the best position so I just set my levels with a sound meter and input my roll off frequencies. Every sound enhancement feature is turned off. The biggest pain in the arse is bass. I’ve pulled my hair out trying to get it the best, I’ve tried everything. But I’ve finally managed to get it right ish.
Dolby Atmos is great but boy it’s been a tough couple of years getting them right. But we love it eh?!
Keep up the great videos mate.
Sincerely
Mark J Berwick
I would too 👍🏻
I would love to watch your tutorial
Youthman Deal on the 6300H! Congrats on the upgrades.
Thanks! This is the definition of a Youthman deal! lol
Yes! please give us the manual atmos calibration tutorial!👍
I appreciate seeing the upgrade with a unit that’s a few years old, not some brand new super expensive unit. Excellent video.
No speakers are truly a 8ohms or 4ohms. Because with frequency changes, the impedance changes. So for example my Focal chora towers are listed as 8 ohms but according to the impedance curve of the speakers, it dips down to 2.8ohms between 100-200hz. So when I turn up the volume on my NAD t778 and measure movies with a RTA, I get a big dip in that area during dynamic scenes. I believe this is why so many people hear a difference with an external amplifier
Ok, I love your room with the near field surround going on. I used to have a setup like that. And four subs in that small room has to be one hell of a ride, lol. I always mark my speakers when I have to move them. Much easier!
Obsessive guy is great and I've tried to watch his videos, but if there was a way you could make it more accessible to the masses, that would be amazing!
Thanks! I’ve been thinking of doing a tutorial on this for a while, but I want to make sure I can present everything so everyone can follow along.
100%. I would love to see your take on OTA’s approach
Agree, would be interested in seeing a video on manual calibration. I'd also be interested in hearing your thoughts on your own system sound via X32 calibration qnd how night & day, or lack there of the difference is. Thanks for the great content & may the fourth be with you!
He really is awesome. I actually watch his videos at 75% speed just to slow him down so I can follow. So good though. I was thinking one day if I have the time to go through his steps and take screenshots and make a PDF follow along tutorial.
Also can’t wait for Joe N Tells Magic Beans app to come out. Hopefully he’s figured out a way to make expert level calibration more accessible.
I have the same Denon X2300W. Its been an absolute workhorse. I'm still getting better sound quality from it each time I learn something new.
I finally got my dedicated room going, so soon I will be upgrading to a Denon X6700H. Going for 6 ceiling channels as my room is long enough for it.
Now that you have the 6300H, you gotta try out Auro3D.
I loved my X2300W. Had it since before I even started the channel (purchased it 2016 I want to say). Wouldn’t change my time with it at all, it was just time for an upgrade.
I’d really like to check out Auro3D, but at $199 it’s a really tough sell for a format that hasn’t really taken off and likely won’t. So basically it would just be used for upmixing, and I just don’t think it’d be worth it just for that in my opinion.
Yes! Do the REW manual calibration video! I have watched the OCA Audyssey video but I'd like to see your take on it. You just know once it get the views, it could shake things up amongst other home theater YT channels. I intend to implement this method but I'll have to wait a few weeks to start. It's long process but I'm a patient man who is excited about the results!
I have a 6700 with Auro 3d . I enjoy it but it’s not the end of the world to not have it. I would love to see a manual calibration video series!
Dude congrats. I am still running my X3300w, but until it gives me problems no need to change. You got a steal on that 6300h. Well done!
Totally down with the manual calibration! That’d be sweet!
There's a common misconception that Dirac is an Auto-EQ software. That's really just a small part of what it does. The main function of Dirac is it's ability to alter impulse response, which makes a WAY bigger audible difference than EQ'ing your speakers, especially in a non-rectangular room (like a living room). The reason I know this is because sometimes (maybe 20% of the time), Dirac gets it wrong, waaay wrong and alters you impulse response to where it makes your system sound like utter crap, like your wearing headphone or have the receiver set to all channel stereo. In that case it messed up on calculating the impulse response and/or measurements and you need to completely start over and run it again. BUT, once it gets it right, OMG it makes your system sound AMAZING! In fact I usually don't even let Dirac edit the EQ curve, I like my speakers to sound as designed. I edit the curtains to where it only changes the impulse response only because that's what make the biggest difference. Dirac really is a gamechanger, but still a bit buggy TBH. Still absolutely worth it though. I won't ever get another receiver without it.
I would LOVE to see a video(s) about manual calibration using the his method for my Denons! Seems promising but it’s a bit hard To understand for the average Joe. Congratulations on the 6300!
You are describing how I feel after i did your type of audyssey calibration, all 8 calibrations within 3 inches! Also a new svs sb3000 sub.
Also my new denon x4800
I went from four up-firing Atmos speakers to four on-ceiling Atmos speakers, and it was a huge difference.
YES, please put a manual calibration tutorial on here. Thanks
Hi Brad. I followed your video on the multi eq app and it has significantly improved the audio . Thanks for putting the video up for novices like myself! My q acoustics 3050is feel like they can breathe again.
My overhead channels were an evolution, as well. Had two "front presence" speakers in my old Yamaha system. Added two in-ceiling speakers just rear of listening position that I thought I would use as my L/R rears, but ended up adding two rear in-wall speakers to take over those duties. I ended up adding two more in-ceiling just ahead of listening position, leaving me with six overhead speakers that I'm using as "front height," "top front," and "top rear." Luckily, I have a Denon X8500H so I have plenty of speaker setup and sound decoding options to choose from. Fun, but expensive hobby to have! Does sound great with movies that have spent some time with tweaking the Atmos soundtrack.
I must know, my friend, are you also test driving Jedi Survivor? The Atmos is sublime! Crossing fingers to a "smoothing" patch soon - Course, XBSX is running it good currently.
@caczech I picked it up on the PS5 and I've played a couple hours of it. The audio is honestly the best of the best in my opinion. It sounds amazing unmixed as well. Does the Series X version support Atmos natively?
In regards to performance, yeah... I can't recommend this game to anyone right now because of that as I, myself, am having trouble really enjoying the game due to that. I've actually had to stick with quality mode at 30fps because of the issues with performance mode. I might stop playing until the iron things out in a month or two.
One more comment: watched the videos by OCA you recommended & subscribed. I think a similar video with your instruction, editing, etc would be very helpful as well.
Great video! I have actually recently upgraded my heights from 2 to 4 as well such a nice improvement gives a much more convincing bubble of sound that's missing from the rear in a typical 5.1.2 setup. I have actually been watching obsessive compulsive audio channel as well lots of good information on there. Would definitely like your own video of all the calibration you did, your minidsp subwoofer videos really helped me out a lot. Appreciate your videos!
Thank you so much! Yeah, the upgrade from 2 to 4 height speakers is a really huge improvement. I kind of need to stop listening to demo tracks and watch a whole damn movie haha. I have been playing Star Wars Jedi Survivor and while that game's performance is a mess, the audio on that one is on point!
@@HomeTheaterGamer Haha same with me I like putting on demos just to compare and see what details you can pick out. I really like listening to atmos music through the apple tv I can kill hours doing that alone. Some really good atmos music is being released more frequently now.
Yes I would like to see your geq calibration with your twist on it
I've got the Marantz sr6012, adding power amps is what gave me a big impact, sounds so much stronger. I'm actually upgrading the power amps this Sunday to QSC DCA's for all my 7.2.4 speakers
That’s awesome! I’m really interested to try out separate power amps for my main speakers at least. I’m in talks with Aperion Audio to try out one of their new Energy amps, so I’m stoked to say the least!
I have two Atmos setups, TX-RZ50 7.1.2 using Dolby upward firing speakers (Dirac) and an AVR-X6700H 7.1.4 using bookshelf speakers mounted to the ceiling (Audyssey). The upward-firing setup sounds more convincing (louder?) than the ceiling-mounted speakers, not sure if that's a Dirac vs Audyssey thing or a balance thing. The ceiling-mounted speakers seem to blend in more; I can tell that audio sounds fuller, but the height audio sounds more subtle so I might consider bumping the volume on the ceiling speakers to help them stand out. Resident Evil 4 is a current game that has Atmos on PC (I assume that means Xbox as well), definitely not PS5), the chains sound effect in the title screen audio sounded much more pronounced on my upward-firing speakers than my ceiling speakers.
Would love that tutorial maybe throw in a few ways sact can be used for manual calibration as well. Im definitely into manual calibration these days too.
I’ll definitely talk about the toolkit in the tutorial.
Yes! Put the HTG spin on a manual calibration tutorial please!
Yes, give us your take on the OCA tutorial! More people need to become aware.
Thanks!
yeah some upgrade
I’ve developed a renewed love for music and audio since getting a $2300 Sonos Atmos system , but I’m considering returning for a good receiver and passive speaker set. I never realized how difficult it’d be to decide what to go with. So many great options; dealing with a little option paralysis here.
I absolutely get the option paralysis. First world problems, I know. Having so many options out there and also so many different opinions when doing research on gear makes it difficult. I've always made sure I buy from a place that has a great and no hassle return policy because just like you, I might change my mind.
Another great video. Wanted to leave a comment to support. I have 4700 with Auro. I use the standard 4 speaker atmos layout but upmix to Auro. I find it better than neural….maybe. Only slightly. Congrats and enjoy
Thanks Byron! Good to know about Auro. Seems a rather steep price for upmixing that may or not be better than DTS Neural upmixing.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Yessir, exactly. I wouldn't advise anyone to upgrade for that feature alone. Watched Saving Pvt Ryan again this weekend - upmixing worked surprisingly well for an old movie. Save your cash and get the amps you want. I'd love to know if they make a difference when you "should" already have enough power.
Please do the tutorial. Loved your take on how to use REW and Minidsp for sub integration/calibration and it worked out great in my setup.
Thanks for the kind words! I hope I can help out with manual calibration like I did with the miniDSP stuff.
Definitely do a video about manually setting up, I'm keen as to give it a try
Brad, 11 channels - AWESOME! So happy for you and your Mrs. I hope you two enjoy the heck out of the Denon AVR.
Per a previous video of yours about streaming vs disk - was the "demos" that you just watched with this AVR from disks?
I started to watch Avengers Infinity Wars on Disney+ (15 minutes) and then I popped the 4k disk in our Panasonic 420 and the audio and video was much better.
For those of us that will never be rich enough to afford a K-Scape system I feel 4k disks are our best source.
All the very best, Kevin
Thanks Kevin! It’s definitely a HUGE upgrade and improvement. I don’t know if I’ll ever run back surrounds due to how close the seats are to the back wall, but it’s nice to have the flexibility to do so if I want to!
I cant believe you took the stickers off. It looks naked now!
Haha. You’re not the first to comment that. I personally never keep stickers on anything unless they’re a real pain in the ass to remove (like my 4K Blu-ray player). These thankfully were not.
Fig fat yes to manual calibration!
Congrats on your new upgrade Brad 🎉..I was watching the same RUclipsr OCA but to be honest every time I watch his channel I get lost and I always wish if you could make some tutorials which are easily understood as you always do.
Thanks
Watch his ultimate audyssey tutorial. It goes step by step. It took me a couple of watches, but once you get into it, it's really easy. If you have REW and a mic, even doing the delay, levels, and crossover steps can really help any existing calibrations.
OCA makes amazing content all around. I'll definitely work on the manual calibration tutorial soon.
@@thecrlghs Yeah I think it’s best to watch the video once or twice and then attempt the calibration. More of it really sunk in the second time I watched it.
Thanks for a great video. And allso just a note of consern: It looked as if your reciver had to little headroom in the top. They get hot, even without driving all speakers :) Maybe you have some cooling in your cabinet we didnt see :) I have the X6500H and loving it! Still, i only use it as a preamp for my fronts. But it drives my two heights and surrounds in a 5.2.2 config. Liked your roof alot and was wondering about doing something similar in my livingroom setup istead of cutting holes in the existing ceiling, and tackle the pain of speaker cables in an unknown ceiling arrangement. My current atmos speakers are mounted high up on the wall, and are not 100% ideal, so in ceiling speakers are something that i want in an future upgrade.
Thanks for commenting! There’s about 5-6 inches of room above the receiver, but in all honesty I’m looking at getting a small, open AV rack for the receiver and eventual amplifier because it’s pretty tight and most amps won’t fit inside. I just have to figure out where I can put the damn AV rack in the room without having to run new wires haha. First world problems.
Did you have an existing ceiling before you put in your drop ceiling. I'm thinking about doing this. My current ceiling has recess lighting. So, I'm trying to figure out how to lower the recess lights once I put in the drop ceiling.
Congrats on the upgrade to 7.4! I also have the Aperions for my overheads.
Huge question for the Home Theater Gamer: how do you get your PC to send/recognize Atmos or DTS to the receiver? I just got a 4070ti-based setup and NOTHING I’ve been able to do will get anything other than stereo for games. I’ve downloaded the Atmos and DTS applets, changed settings in Windows….it’ll even (sometimes) send multichannel test tones to my 7.1 surround bed (but never overhead). But when I get in any game it’s strictly back to 2-channel only. A tutorial on this would be a godsend!!!
Hmmmm. Are you running Windows 11 by any chance?
As a matter of fact, I am running Windows 11! 😬
I should also mention that I don’t have a dedicated sound card and I’m sending audio to my AVR via the GPU’s HDMI output.
I should also also mention that I can’t even get standard 5.1 or 7.1 out of any game; it just sends stereo out (the AVR upmixes it, but it can only do so much).
I’ll go out a limb and say that Windows 11 itself may be the culprit. I recently helped a friend measure his system remotely, and he was using Windows 11. We had a heck of time getting Dolby Atmos to work with the measurement files, to the point where we had to do some workarounds to get it to work at all. I read a few things online that echoed my experience.
For the record, I have no Windows 11 installations on any of my machines, so I may not be of much help unfortunately. It looks like there are few things you can try by googling it, but none of the methods like “use audio troubleshooter” worked for us.
I have finished the manual calibration using OCA's Supreme Audyssey video. Yep, forget about all other automated software including Dirac! If your not willing to put the time into it, then Dirac should suffice. If you want it calibrated to perfection, I'm afraid this may be the only true way of doing it. OCA's upcoming videos will be showing newer and improved ways of manual calibration. Seeing as how the REW software is continuously improving, so will OCA's methods. Trust me, if you have the time and patience for the manual calibration, you wont care about automated calibration software ever again!
I haven't done the full manual calibration from OCA's video, but I did do the impulse response alignment on top of my Audyssey calibration and it made a surprising difference. Part of me wants to go the full manual route, but I think I will wind up really missing Dynamic EQ for low volume listening (eg. - 35 - 40 dB). Did you use DEQ on your old receiver and, if so, how much do you now have to bump your volume up when watching content at a normal listening level?
Brad, DON'T pay for Auro. I have a Marantz 8805. Auro upzmixing is nice and I use it for certain listening, but it's basically a semi-sophisticated multi-channel stereo. I think those that like it just like having all of their speakers firing at once, whether it's actually beneficial for immersion or not.
Thanks for the info and good to know. Really hard to justify spending the money for essentially a glorified upmixer as the format itself has lost all steam it seems.
Yes, would like you to expand on the calibration setup from the other channel. I have seen it, but haven't had the time to do it myself.
Yes please if you can take the time out and make this easier for us that would be awesome! I appreciate all the time you take out to make the content to help us all!
Do recommend using Obsessive Compulsive Audiophile process. If you can add new content based on OCA's calibration it would be great.
+1
Manual calibration tutorial please
Idk if you’re aware about the xt-32 issue. I was just recently informed on this after having my denon for almost a year now. I’ll put it in the exact words that were given to me
“D&M receivers have an error where they use 1ft=1ms of delay instead of the actual speed of sound (roughly 1.132ms). If you're using MultEQ-X on the computer (the $200 product that lets you really dig into things), it does the correction for this automatically. If you AREN'T using it, take all of the measurements in your AVR and multiply them by 0.889
(if Metric, 0.875), then substitute those numbers in instead. This will get you better alignment between all of the speakers.”
Hope that helps you or anyone else that reads this that is unaware of it.
Hello what's is your opinion on the script EVO 1 can you make a video review please
Manual calibration to me is the best
Definitely agree with you there! It's been a world of difference!
Could you say if there is a problem with having an older avr? I was wondering if I should try an older denon for my second setup
I really enjoy your room and what you have created! I have a game room that is similar to your setup and honestly I love watching shows and movies in my smaller room. Especially when I cant listen to movies at reference volume at night. I just started to go down the separate amplifier road and I will tell you it is a game changer. My front stage has such good clarity and punch. Now my other speakers have more power as well. The next step is to get another amplifier to run my other bed layer speakers and just have my heights run by my denon AVR-X4700H
Thanks for the comment and kind words. I love the theater room (my wife does too). I spend a lot of time in there and I don't regret spending the time and energy making it into what it is now.
I'm currently in talks with Aperion Audio to get one of their new 7-channel Energy amps in for long term review. Like you, I plan to run my bed layer speakers off the amp and the height speakers through the Denon X6300H. Excited to dive into the separate amp world.
@@HomeTheaterGamer I am actually thinking of getting the Aperion Audio e7 right now, since I could run all 7 channels with them. Then run my 4 heights off the X4700H. Just trying to do some research to see if the price is worth it to me. The Ealan Osborne review had me sold! haha
I did the Supreme Audyssey Calibration from OCS because it was newest but I wonder if the manual is better. Did you get a chance to try both? The Audyssey "hack" is fun, and sounds great, but I wonder if it's too complicated. I also found my bass to be nerfed (single sub, no dsp), which you've pointed out is a problem with Aud, but I'd hoped this would work around that.
I honestly never considered going down that road (OCA’s Supreme Audyssey Calibration) as the manual calibration is so good. But now I’m curious and need to go watch his video to see if it’s something that might be worth experimenting with.
@@HomeTheaterGamer I know you've been busy lately with new house, new theater, new pb4000 and...Diablo! But any chance you have thoughts on this now? I'm considering trying the manual to see if it's better but I haven't had a lot of free (quiet) time to do it. Thx!
I am using Marantz sr7011 and done Audyssey room correction with Multeq editor app... It's not doing full justice with subwoofers..Is there any video by you available for manual Home theater settings without using Audyssey?
Seeing your MiniDSP and REW Tutorials and the X6300h is MultEQ-X compatible. While I'm curious about the manual RQ and will check it out, I'm wondering if you could do a tutorial like with the minidsp since there's almost nothing on it.
I’m going to try reaching out to Audyssey to see if they’d be willing to provide a license for MultEQ-X and a calibrated Audyssey mic. I’d love to do a tutorial on it and see how it compares to the standard XT32 run along with Dirac, but $200 for the license alone isn’t currently in my budget.
I am very happy with my x2300 !:) the only thing I’d like to upgrade would be the second pair of atmos. So I think I need to go the same way as you did😅 should I look for 11channel avr or 9 would be fine(5.1.4)? Unfortunately in Uk I cannot even find x6300 so I thought it would be better to wait and safe some money for x3800 or is there any cheaper alternatives(still denon of course 😅)? Thanks you’re doing great!
See if you can grab the denon avc-x3700h on a deal mate. Getting the 4 heights is a huge improvement.
@@iansteventon4221 oh, just seen it can drive 4atmos too thanks ! For sure much cheaper than the x3800😅
@@keepitshema it's a great avr mate, I upgraded from the Sony strdn1080 5.1.2) to this , now running 5.2.4 on the denon and the addition of the extra heights are a real game changer for atmos .
@@iansteventon4221 definitely I need to check it out! Are subwoofer pre outs independent in x3700?
@@keepitshema yes mate.
I bought 2 svs sb-1000 pros , great for my system ( although like everything else here in England cost a flipping fortune! )
My HEOS badged x6700h does support a web interface.
I'm jealous but I also got a hell of a deal on the X6300H, so I can't really complain.
@Home Theater Gamer No need to be jelly dude. But I do agree that the web interface is the shizzle.
My X6500h has a HEOS badge and also has web interface. It is strange that the x6300h doesn't have it. But I didn't know I could do manual calibration via web interface.
Congrats! I expect to see reviews of Arendal and Aperion speakers in the future🙂
It’s happening now for sure (at least with Aperion. I’ve worked with them on some stuff and they’re awesome!)
Hell of a deal on the avr! Grats on the theater upgrades
Thank you so much!
I've watched all of OCRs content, but would love your take on it. With all respect to Serkan, he doesn't always explain things so well, imo.
He does a great job but if you're not familiar with the tools or methods then it's really ease to get lost and/or feel overwhelmed. I'm going to try my hardest to make sure that doesn't happen when I do a tutorial video.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Indeed. What he teaches is just so advanced that you easily get lost 😅
Looking forward to it. You are usually great at explaining stuff!
OCA is amazing. Please do a video!
Thank you! I need to get cracking on the pre-production for those tutorials!
Please do a tutorial like you did with the miniDSP
I would really appreciate you doing a full manual tutorial
Please do the manual video. But mine is pioneer model avr.
Thanks for the comment! I'm planning to do research so I can make sure everyone is covered who wants to follow along, even though I don't have any other receiver than the Denon.
Hello, great channel. I accidentally replied to a comment that was left by Ealan, it was meant for you. Sorry for the blunder.
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Hello there!
Congrats on your new amplifier 🎉
I'm an OCA fan, but I also think his videos can be a little heavy - so please do a HTG version
Thanks for the comment! I've gotten a lot of responses from people wanting an "HTG version" as you put it, so it's in the works!
@@HomeTheaterGamer YES!!! Also can you update your mini dsp subwoofer calibration guide too. Right now I follow a blend of your method and Jeff Mery. I wrote it out, need to type it up. I'm willing to share that method.
First off, I love your videos, I really hope you do do that tutorial you were speaking of. I really enjoyed your mini DSP tutorial it really helped me out. Question I have for you though, is you said you don't need HDMI 2.1. are you not planning on gaming on this setup?
Thanks for the comment, @valdeze.
In regards to gaming, I kind of glossed over some info quickly in the video. I actually have both the PS5 and XBOX Series X hooked up directly to my LG C1 OLED. The reason I don't need HDMI 2.1 on the receiver is because I use an HDMI eARC extractor to basically trick the OLED into thinking I have an HDMI 2.1 receiver; this means I get full resolution multi-channel audio support as if I had an HDMI 2.1 receiver (outside of DTS, which the LG doesn't support DTS unfortunately).
@@HomeTheaterGamer ah that makes perfect sense.
Dude, pls do the multi eq 32. And always your thumbnails are so unique & funny 😀.
Love ur contents and keep going
Thanks so much! Planning to do an XT32 video in the next few weeks. And also take some new funny pictures for my thumbnails. These are like a year old now haha.
Don’t let everyone know the secrets of getting the oldest Atmos reciever you can get with pre outs!
Dammit! I’m sorry!
What are your thoughts on Auro 3d? I'm building a dedicated theater room in the basement 28X14X9 looking at a 13.1 Auro 3d but I've heard you can configure a 9.1.4 setup in atmos so you could have both.
Thanks for the comment! I’m pretty much indifferent to Auro 3D, but I think I’d have a hard time recommending anyone going out of their way to accommodate a format that has been pretty much dead in the water for a while. Auro’s upmixing does get praised a lot, but personally I don’t find that a valid enough reason to jump through hoops or spend extra cash to get it.
Yes please do a video on that 👍
Thanks! I'm definitely going to start working on it.
Any reason you like DTS Neural X over Dolby Surround for your upmixer? I’m still figuring out which I prefer and wanted your thoughts.
I find that with DTS Neural X it has a tendency to actually create more of an “object based” effect, where certain sounds seem like they’re are placed discretely above you or towards your rear right for example. With the Dolby Surround Upmixer, I’ve always felt it added more of an ambience effect with less in the way of discrete sound objects placed in the height channels. I tend to prefer DTS Neural X for that reason, but there are times where I switch to to the Dolby upmixer because Neural X can be a bit too aggressive at times (the intro music to Modern Family is a perfect example of this).
Also following OCA and got totally rid of Audyssey because of him, doing all manual for my 4.2.4 setup with REW, and it is awesome!
Heck yeah! Pretty massive difference between what Audyssey was doing and what I was able to achieve manually using REW. Thinking down the road, when I go the seperate amplifier route, I'm looking at getting a PEQ to put in between the Denon and amps to have much more control and fine tuning over the graphic EQ in the Denon. Should make for even better control over the target curve.
@@HomeTheaterGamer for me the perfect match is rew, his tutorial and multeqx, taking audyssey measurement totally of the "toolchain". And simply to update. What audyssey got massively wrong in my case was impulse response, and eqing of fronts and tops. So much better now
@@StuggiSuzi I wonder is OCAs method better than Dirac Live results?
@@JonMoralesLA friend of mine uses dirac and made some comparisons. From his pov OCA's manual editing is really close to dirac. Since dirac is more comfortable to use, he prefers dirac. He is using a yamaha, so has just experience with YPAO, but Dirac performs much better
@@StuggiSuzi I have the Denon 3800h. I’m dying to purchase the Dirac Live license for it. Also wanting to give the OCA method a try. Just been on vacation in Spain for 3 months…so dying to get back home and try these out.
Congratulations 🎉
Thank you!
@@HomeTheaterGamer waiting for your detailed video on UMIK2, Flex and Manual calibration.....
Definitely do a tutorial please
Tutorial please!
Brad, I don't think your explanation of speaker impedance/power/volume is correct.
Lower impedance speakers are harder for an amplifier to control power flow as there's less resistance and most AVR are designed around an 8 ohm load. It does not translate to more power required to reach the same volume as an 8 ohm, that's a matter of sensitivity.
That's my understanding and please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks for the comment. I honestly just went for a blanket approach in the video because most folks understand watts, with 4 ohm speakers being much more power hungry and harder to drive than 6 or 8 ohm speakers. In reality though, it's a lot more complicated as speaker ohms fluctuate quite a bit when actually in use.
With that said, I'll be the first to admit that I'm definitely no expert when it comes to stuff like ohm ratings, so if I did state something incorrectly or if my overall statement is so far off then I want to know about it.
@@HomeTheaterGamer All good Brad, just wanted to highlight the topic before the internet trolls start bombarding you.
Yes, impedance is always fluctuating depending on frequency, manufacturers just state the average.
I find the term "hard to drive" very confusing, it's actually easier to drive as there's lower resistance but harder to control, and most AVRs can lose control and do some damage. A lot of AVRs have an ohm switch on the back, all it does is limit power to prevent damage.
If I’m being honest, there’s a ton of home theater terms and verbiage that is downright confusing. I’ve been in this hobby over 20 years and a lot of things can and still do make me scratch my head and go “wait a minute… what!?” So then we get end up getting more common, blanket phrases like “harder to drive,” because going into more detail might induce that head-scratching haha.
I’m definitely guilty of using those phrases from time to time (as I did in my first reply). It’s something I’m working on. Seriously, thanks for replying and I sincerely enjoy having these conversations.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Thanks for all the videos, keep up the great work 👍
Here’s a little snippet from the AVS Forum Amplifier FAQ on Speaker Impedance
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Do I need to match an amplifier's impedance (such as 8 ohms or 4 ohms) to my speakers?
A solid state amplifier does not have an impedance as such (tube amps are a bit different in this respect.)
Almost any audio amplifier will work with 8 ohm speakers (with some exceptions such as fixed voltage amps.) As you lower the impedance of speakers you connect to a amp, you place more demand on it. Lower impedance means more current will flow through it's output devices (usually transistors). More current means more heat.
4 ohm loads present a more difficult load for amplifiers. The lower impedance means electricity will flow more easily. That means the current flow will be higher. Higher current means more heat will develop in the amplifier, especially in the output devices. Amps typically have themal protection circuits. If you your amp is shutting down due to thermal overload, you are driving it too hard, not giving it enough ventilation, or the amp is not working properly.
Amplifiers sold for pro audio applications, and for home audio would usually be able to handle 4 ohm loads with no issues. Receivers may shut down under heavy load. Or perhaps their longevity could be reduced, because they were not really designed for 4 ohm loads. Lower impedance is not suggested, such as connecting two 4 ohm speakers in parallel.
At my home not only my 18x15 feet living room with an 8 foot flat ceiling isn’t ideal enough for two or four In-Ceiling Dolby Atmos/DTSX Height Elevation Loudspeakers or even a 5.2.4 channel full on premium Dolby Atmos/DTSX Home Theater surround sound system with a highly acclaimed 9-channel av receiver four Dolby Atmos/DTSX Upward-Firing or In-Ceiling Height Elevation Loudspeakers Two Front Tower Loudspeakers Two Surround Loudspeakers One Center Channel Loudspeaker and Two Big Subwoofers in which a 5.2.4 Channel Full-On Dolby Atmos/DTSX Premium Home Theater Surround Sound System with a highly acclaimed 9 channel av receiver is highly perfect and recommended for bigger rooms but my living room that is 18x15 feet with an 8 foot flat ceiling is perfectly ideal enough for a 5.1.2 Channel Full-On Premium Dolby Atmos/DTSX Home Theater Surround Sound System with a highly acclaimed 7 channel av receiver so I bought a 5.1.2 channel Klipsch Dolby Atmos/DTSX Premium Home Theater Surround Sound System with 2 Klipsch Floorstanding Tower Loudspeakers paired 2 Dolby Atmos/DTSX Upward-Firing Height Elevation Loudspeakers 2 Bioplar Surround Loudspeakers One Center Channel Loudspeaker and a 12 inch Big Subwoofer then bought a 7 channel 2022 Denon Dolby Atmos/DTSX Premium Home Theater Surround Audio/Video Receiver (AVRS970H) then calibrated all the loudspeakers then it sounded a lot much way more immersive dynamic punchy richer impactful realistic cinematic detailed crystal-clearer better advanced powerful awesome three dimensional atmospheric with tons of great bass treble midrange clarity detail impact immersion dimension for watching enjoying and listening to many sports Dolby Atmos films tv shows or music DTSX films 5.1 films/tv shows or even stereo content such as music as if i was both transported right deeper into the center of the middle of the action and in a movie theater or a concert hall and I am enjoying the content as the sound team sound designers/editors/engineers sound mixers adr/dialogue team foley team sound recordists the music team composer conductor music engineer/editor orchestrator intended them to enjoy and experience it in
Great video Brad!
Thanks Steven! Appreciate all the help you've given me with both your videos and during our chats. Really wish we shot something when I stopped by your place back in January!