@@kennethschultz6465 F1 cars turn 18000-24000, hell my Ford Focus shifts gears at 6800 RPM I could wholly believe a little snowmobile engine that revs to 18000-20000 would idle at 6k
The thing that surprises me is that clear cover didn't become clouded up, become crazed, scorched from the heat ,scuffed up, etc. after 5 seconds the engine ran!
Well I almost talked about that when I said "600 runs" in this video, but I withheld that material science information since It took me over 2 months to develop this particular material, with supplier advice from my NASA engineer friends. This material mix is amazing!, And these tests further prove it's durability. I may reveal what it is in the future but it's not exactly glass but is 98% transparent. Maybe I should send you a slug made out of it !.
Nitro engines run very cool. If you see a cylinder head temp of 250+ degrees F the engine isn't long for the world. Thats a "loaded" temp. Bench-testing "idling" engines is pointless.
I noticed that when he did the frame comparison that the rotor only did a 3rd of a rotation. Not too familiar with rotaries so i was a little confused.
Same, I was wondering what rotating part he was reading off of with the meter. For example, I was thinking it might have been reading 3x what the actual RPM was if it was reading from the rotor and picking up each corner (the triangle piece). It just seemed strange that it idles ad 5-6,000RPM but I guess it does!
You would measure rpms at eccentric shaft, the output of the engine. You would not measure at the rotor, an internal engine component. We dont care how the engine does it we just need to measure the output. But yes the actual rotor itself will always be rotating much slower than the e shaft, by 1/3, one of the designs strengths.
It looks impressive, doesn't it? Sadly it isn't. RC car and truck engines can generate double the horsepower with half of the displacement at a 50% higher redline. Seriously, I have a RC truck with a 3.4cc piston engine that redlines at 38000rpm and can pop rolling wheelies.
just like with firearms, I'm so amazed at how fast combustion type engines operate mechanically with how fast the combustion/explosive process occurs, and so efficiently without more breakages... simply incredible
i am a mechanic for over 50 years and i am still amazed at the speeds of engines, intake, compression, power, exhaust cycles... the speed change a piston ,, it stops twice and goes the opposite direction each revolution.. 3000 rpm divided by 60 sec =50 revs per second= 100 direction changes per second... amazing
I was lucky enough to pick up an old _Sachs KM37_ rotary from '64... It took me ages to find! I'd love to pop down to the local auto parts store and pick up things like Apex/side seals (etc.) for it, but sadly rotaries in general aren't all that popular anymore *:(* I really want all that to change though!
Brodie Bennett I remember Sachs and all those. Been loving all that since my first tower hobbies catalog. Anyone ever scrap a shindaiwa trimmer for the zenoah engine?
I love how it idles at a speed that would instantly pop my 3S. Also, for one fraction of a second at 4:58, it hit PRECISELY 20,000 rpm followed by 22,222 rpm at 5:01. Don't know why, but seeing that was soooo satisfying.
Also, just noticed something interesting. At the end, during the high speed footage, pay attention to the vibration. Even though it might only weigh a FRACTION of a gram, at 29k rpm, that tiny piece of tape on the flywheel is enough to create a visible imbalance. That is friggin insane...
I am not surprised. A single cylinder 2 troke nitro R/C car engine typically reaches 30,000 RPM. A race spec engine can reach as up to 45,000 RPM. 29,000 RPM from a rotary RC aircraft engine is not as unbelievable as you might think. Impressive but not unbelievable.
Theoretically, Rotary engines have no physical limit to how fast they can rotate. The only limits are things like how much fuel and air you can supply, limits of the metals, friction, etc.
Smaller is the system, smaller is the system's time constant, because of less engaged mass into work, so it should be able to get a faster speed, at least in theory
I am pretty sure the rotary triangle spins 3 times for every one rotation of the crank shaft. This gives it an effective engine rpm of 8,333 rpm. I am pretty sure I heard that on a rotary forum at least. So that 45,000 rpm engine would read 15,000 rpm's in the car.
Yeah - the amount of force behind all that exhaust and the heat. Gobbling up the fuel - could use some more with a little snail though, would def be interesting, heh....
Great video. This is coming from someone who dislikes rotary engine and will never own a car with one but can admire cool things. I'm also impressed how much this thing takes being essentially passively cooled as you had no fan installed.
Awesome. I watched a few other see-thru engine videos on RUclips that used the same engine set up you did. Yours had much better lighting, a clearer camera view and using different fuels really helped with the visuals. None of the competition compares to yours. I also think you're the only guy who has done a rotary engine so far. You should try out other engines, maybe a tiny turbine engine, 2-stroke engine, steam engine or turbo/supercharger? Good call plugging that you made more see-thru rotary engines, I bet mechanic schools would be interested in buying those for class demonstrations.
I still can't believe people make comments like "I can't believe you don't have x subscribers yet." Like their arbitrary number is the definition of "success".
DEEREMEYER1 If you ever get more than 36 subscribers (at least 1,000) and over 4,000 minutes of view time you'll see that's exactly how RUclips defines "success" and the criteria for monetization and exposure.
I measured this from the audio in this video and I get it even higher at 30,180 rpm. I used the fundamental frequency of the exhaust sound at the highest RPM which was found by spectrum analysis at 6:25.503s to be 503Hz. Multiplied by 60secs you get 30180 RPM. Fascinating engine and the high speed camera footage is amazing.
Yep you can totally do that, definitely kind of cool I have dab a little bit into ultrasonics in the past, it's kind of cool how you can analyze the footage to determine the RPM. And that amount of RPM is definitely crazy
Thanks!, I was supposed to get their spot last year but the Facebook freebooters killed my contract (long story), but things happen for a reason. That's the way I see it .
This is just beautiful to watch! Owner that would have like 1000 cars in his garage but is that poor to only afford one MR2 ZZW30 that soaks his all free budget. xD
Dave Micolichek I figure about 100ft/lb per liter on 2 strokes and would guess the wankle is midway between that and a 4 stroke- maybe 80? Hard to tell, but if I could pour 1oz in that wankle, that'd be 30cc or .03x80ft/lb or 2.4 ft/lb peak I'd guess around 12k?, perhaps 2ft/lb at 16k? So maybe about 6hp? Just my ball park guess with no more than looking at the video with the most basic data.
That engine appears to be a O.S. Engines 49-PI (0.3CU / 4.91CC) based upon size in relation to hands and it's RPM achieved. The 49-PI is reported as outputting 934 watts / 1.24 HP at 17,000 rpm and torque is about 0.37 ft/lbs. So @ 29K rpm it would be outputting ~1500 watts / ~2 HP. All the other engines I've seen are 20CC or larger have thinner fins and lower rpms.
Cerberus984 I thought it was 6 times that-whoops. I estimated 2ft/lbs at peak hp, you say .37ft/lb. So, you think peak torque is at peak rpm? Now that I have displacement, I'd figure 1/6 my up guess- 1hp at ~16krpm
@Jimmy's Tractor I simply used a 2 input toggle calculator that asks for rpm + torque or rpm + hp then solves for other. Then sourced my data from Barnard Microsystems which displays a vast variety of RC engines. The fins are equally thick on the OS engine and has same amount of end plate bolts. Although, the first two fins right of the exhaust port differ from the video I saw to the picture from my data source there were two different generations of that motor. The next step up (different brand) is a 20cc Nitto NR-20EP is significantly larger from the videos I've seen people holding it in their hand or on a bench top.
I don't know about the Wankel, but my 12CZ-R, with high compression head, turns 32k rpm and produces 0.52hp. It takes my Sandmaster 10 buggy up to 50+mph on 25% nitro fuel. Your Wankel, however, isn't supposed to spin that fast, as it's designed to turn a prop. And, the tips of the blades aren't supposed to go supersonic.
doktorbimmer _Bitch prove it. Give me links to_ *ACTUAL* _evidence of that. Because I feel that if any piston engine made that much power in the same displacement, they (the makers) would be fucking rich by now. But I clearly haven’t heard of such a thing._ _I’m using italics since you’re using bold._
@@thejay8963 While it's good to always ask for evidence and proof, I would highly suggest if you want to start a debate/argument or a call for evidence, etc. that the very first word in your sentence isn't an ad-hominem attack against the other person. It's uncalled for, really. He is simply just saying what he believes to be true. Also, the debate in question isn't really too important - this isn't a topic that shatters one's whole life preception in 1 argument like many Hillary voting identity politics communists love to constantly pose...
That seems about right on the RPMs since there's so little rotational mass. I've done alot of thinking on the designs used in most rotary engines. Particularly the rotor itself. The biggest problem at the rotary engine faces to prevent it from becoming the best engine ever in my opinion is its efficiency. A lot of its energy is lost before it can never be converted into mechanical energy. I think that can be fixed by rounding off the lobes on the rotor. Making each combustion chamber round instead of square. This would allow one solid ring per combustion chamber rather than the ones that are piece together at the corners and allow some of the energy to escape. The rotary engine an amazing engine just because of its simplicity. So making it even more simple is the best route in my opinion
Whether it be a traditional otto cycle style of engine or this Wankel its not possible to achieve greater efficiency by any of the methods you mentioned. Both of these engines face similar problems with irreversible processes therefore it could be no better than the Otto cycle. For example by rounding off the lobes you'd decrease the combustion cycles efficiency to do work on the rotor. There is a reason the wankel has used basically the same lobe shape since its inception. Lets say that you did find an optimized shape to achieve what you're saying the main problem is still not optimized by doing that. If you'd want to make an ultra efficient Wankel you'd head more towards the material science aspect of things and need to probably look toward the use of materials like ceramic that way you could run hotter fuel, that would do what you said in your original comment. Now of course using ceramic brings in a host of other issues as well and that's the problem.
uncleweirdbeard The lobes and the "wobble" are how it achieves compression. That would be like taking the crank out of a LS, and replacing it with a straight rod. Sure there is still a combustion chamber, but with no compression.
Wankel makes for excellent airplane engine... Where you pretty much set a certain RPM and stay there for extended period of time. By design the Wankel makes for a pretty terrible "car" engine. SO while it does work in ground vehicle applications, the rotary engine is best suited for high RPM airplane engines that only require a narrow rev range.
29,000 is truly amazing. I've seen you run out of batteries and fuel on other rotary engine videos and this is brilliant research. This concept definitely has legs, despite our world attitude to ic engines as a whole. Small is beautiful. Less oil burning HAS to be a good thing. Good luck with your future research! 29,000. I mean, WOW! 🌟👍
9 grand? You need to go talk to some Puerto Rican's my man and learn the trade secrets. LOL I can still hear the 13b Starlets banging out ridiculous rpm at Englishtown in my mind. b b b b bbbbbbraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap! Seriously though, is there something with the side port engine that limits you guys? I would take my Turbo II to 9500rpm all day.
The limiting factor in production rotary engines is the rotating assembly balance. It might not be an issue here as there is only 1 rotor whereas Mazda rotary engine come in 2 and 3 rotor configurations and 4 rotor race applications. If the rotating assembly is too far out of balance spec it will wobble and cause catastrophic failure. Basically the better the rotating assembly is balanced, the longer the engine will last at higher RPM.
Wankles are reving fools! I owned three Mazda rotaries and they love to rev. I think your cracked clear housing loss compression and thats why the engine quit.
That's what I was thinking. 483 revs per second with 3(?) exhaust pulse per revolution should give a note at about 1449Hz. I'm not any kind of musician but that seems to match the note on the video quite well.
Usar lâmpada com luz estroboscópica vai facilitar ainda mais as análises. Sugeriria ainda adiantar o ponto de ignição, que talvez devesse ser móvel, para atuar em rotações ainda maiores. Além disso imagine aproveitar a combustão numa turbina de jato reator, e injeção de água, onde o Hidrogênio aumentará também o torque.
Wow. Look at all the fuel leaving with the exhaust. I knew these engines rev high, and have the "Brap" like a two stoke. I just wish these engines worked better, and not kill the planet at the same time. I do love that feeling of power they deliver. Dam it. Now I want one.
Too bad they can’t make a more efficient rotary engine. When my brother graduated HS he got a brand new truck and gave me his RX7. It was in ok shape but drank oil like crazy. That was a long time ago and out of all the vehicles I’ve owned since then I can honestly say that RX was the funnest car to drive.
Yup, "Get in The Car,Turn The Key,Start The Engine (Engine:Oww Something is not normal with me okay ECU!!!! Visit Workshop Notice Please ECU:Got Ya)Right Away 'Visit Workshop'😂😂"
After watching donuts video about not being able to reach 20k rpm with an internal combustion engine thid just showed what the power of rotary and good engineering does to rpm also this thing is amazing it sounds so good
This engine didn't blow at 29k rpm, it blew my mind instead! But seriously, something doesn't ad up. I mean the CD ROMs and HDs spin at a fraction of it, and it'll blow if you push them a little. Am I missing something?
Anyone know the music used from 6:02-6:23? I tried a few music recognition sites with no hits. The music along with that transition into the slow motion footage of the fuel being injected into the rotor housing and the engine screaming to 27k RPM was goosebump inducing. Good freaking job.
Hello from Germany. I was born and im still Living in the City where Felix Wankel was born (13. August 1902). 77933 Lahr/Schwarzwald : 48° 19' 59.999" N 7° 52' 0.001" E :-) On the Karting Circuit Urloffen (Ortenau Ring) i´ve seen a wankel. Please excuse my bad english
Dave Micolichek I had a picco .32 that surly got up there once I ported it. I don’t doubt it. But I was just putting out an easily achievable number lol
From what I know when the rotor does one rotation, the shaft does 3 rotations, so if you got 9.666 rotations on the rotor itself, and 29000 rotations at the point of measurement. Well, that's the math explained my rotary mechanics, not me. All the best! Great vids!
I can only imagine what that would sound like if it was a quad-rotor (ala 26B). It would probably go beyond the range of hearing at 25K rpm or so!🤣 Not to mention about 20-25 hp out of 20cc's.😳😁 (more rotors, smoother power delivery, higher torque/horsepower overall)
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idling at 7000rpm is healthy
Edit: why are people arguing, jeez
My buddy's Polaris pro x 440 snowmobile will sometimes idle at 6000rpm because of dirty carbs
Hey bro read the 665.7rpm idel .. not 6657
@@kennethschultz6465 actually it is
@@recepgunoglu4058 realy .. What doe's 1 rpm mean .. 6000+ rpm is almost a F1 car in idel..
So No i don't belive IT is
@@kennethschultz6465 F1 cars turn 18000-24000, hell my Ford Focus shifts gears at 6800 RPM I could wholly believe a little snowmobile engine that revs to 18000-20000 would idle at 6k
This 5cc engine can put out roughly 4hp at its max 48,000 rpm. That's some seriously impressive power density.
Absolutely, considering how much smaller it is than say a 5hp Briggs&Stratton engine
6Twisted figuratively that’s shit but for its size I guess it’s fine
@@arsenicant That's like 800HP per litre.
Arthur Boyarsky like I said for it’s size that’s fine
Damn that would be 4,000 hp naturally aspirated if upscaled to 5.0L
Nobody:
RX-7 and Civic owners at 3 AM:
but civic doesent have a...
@@demapping shhhhh. let them have their moment
Helium Rudder Speedy Thruster its still loud as hell
Civics with wankels ???XD
Rx8*
The Brap is strong with this one.
ArthurAlcantara, May the brap be with you...
Best comments here 😂😂
ArthurAlcantara
Me in a human powered formula after tacobell
Won a 400 mph achievement idk how lmao
zeckmon3 zeckee Hitting speeds unseen before just to save the trousers?
Died a little bit when I read this
The thing that surprises me is that clear cover didn't become clouded up, become crazed, scorched from the heat ,scuffed up, etc. after 5 seconds the engine ran!
Well I almost talked about that when I said "600 runs" in this video, but I withheld that material science information since It took me over 2 months to develop this particular material, with supplier advice from my NASA engineer friends. This material mix is amazing!, And these tests further prove it's durability. I may reveal what it is in the future but it's not exactly glass but is 98% transparent. Maybe I should send you a slug made out of it !.
Corningware! Lol
Hey, get back to shooting stuff with unusual ammo!
Nitro engines run very cool. If you see a cylinder head temp of 250+ degrees F the engine isn't long for the world. Thats a "loaded" temp. Bench-testing "idling" engines is pointless.
"Glass" is a what more than a thing. Glass doesn't have to be transparent or even translucent.
The neighbors are probably like: DA HELLS GOIN ON IN THERE!?
WHY YOU PLAYING SUCH BEAUTIFUL MUSIC?!
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Meh they'll be like you replacing you lawn mower with a revolutionary engine!?!?!?!?!?
So many drug related things, GO TO REHAB! Besides, Drugs+motor= THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE! - Phill Swift.
UNLEASH THE HELLSKEETERS
483 revs per second sounds more impressive than 29,000 per minute lol. Crazy.
Lol... Agreed
I agree. But the turbo on my car is much bigger and tops out around 180k rpm. 3000 per second, or 3 per millisecond :)
@@h82fail 180k my ass...
@@recepgunoglu4058 possible but pushing limits BIG time in some turbos. my stock turbo,s max is 130,000 for arguments sake
Porca madonna...
6:20 that almost sounds like air raid siren
Well they are pretty simular
Exept the boom part
Air raid sirens uses: air
Rotory engine uses: burning air
*tactical nuke incoming*
Clarion Eclipse sounds like a 2001-dcr
@Rara Nguyen it does sound a lot like an 8 port, or in between an 8 and 9
In a Wankel, the shaft rotates 3x faster than the rotor due to the built-in gear. So the real r.p.m. at rotor level is 10,000.
I noticed that when he did the frame comparison that the rotor only did a 3rd of a rotation. Not too familiar with rotaries so i was a little confused.
But isnt the most important part the crank-RPM?
Engine RPM is the speed of the output shaft. It doesn't matter what happens internally.
Wt abt torque bro
Then might as well say piston engines make no revolutions
Attach the shaft to a blender and you'll get that smoothie in no time
Better whatcha your FINGERS too lol
Or you’ll be making finger and blood smoothie.
1l gas lost in making smoothie smoothly
*-What's left of the smoothie
One wrong move and you toast
I'm very glad you did the fps calculation. Thank you for not just straight trusting the meter. Very impressive numbers!
Same, I was wondering what rotating part he was reading off of with the meter. For example, I was thinking it might have been reading 3x what the actual RPM was if it was reading from the rotor and picking up each corner (the triangle piece). It just seemed strange that it idles ad 5-6,000RPM but I guess it does!
You would measure rpms at eccentric shaft, the output of the engine. You would not measure at the rotor, an internal engine component. We dont care how the engine does it we just need to measure the output. But yes the actual rotor itself will always be rotating much slower than the e shaft, by 1/3, one of the designs strengths.
Rotary engine: How much RPM do you want me to make?
Warped perception: Yes
Yes what?
@@erikd.k That's the joke. He doesn't specify how much he wants, so he wants all of them 😂
It looks impressive, doesn't it? Sadly it isn't. RC car and truck engines can generate double the horsepower with half of the displacement at a 50% higher redline. Seriously, I have a RC truck with a 3.4cc piston engine that redlines at 38000rpm and can pop rolling wheelies.
@@deusexaethera Some of classic combustion very small two stroke engines can do about 60000-70000 rpm
@@galanonim563: I am aware, but I'm speaking from my personal experience, which only goes up to 40,000rpm.
The most impressive thing so far for me, is that this little thing can take a lot of abuse!
JohnnyQ90 could you use one of these on your next build? Please!
I agree, I almost put the material I use in the video but I cannot disclose yet, my NASA friends sent me the recipe..... Hehe..
Easy there partner, let me at least make my money back, I have 2+ months of r&d in this one. I will be selling some soon.
And they say rotaries are unreliable. Haha jk. It does require some extensive maintenance. Great quality definitely comes at great price.
JohnnyQ90 wasn’t expecting you here ;) love your channel!
rpm limiter has left the room
What's a limiter ?🤔
Thats more true than it is funny
@@Jasmine4ty7 limit on how high the engine rpm can get
@@patrickstar5198 i..it was a joke
Damn didn't see that lmao
just like with firearms, I'm so amazed at how fast combustion type engines operate mechanically with how fast the combustion/explosive process occurs, and so efficiently without more breakages... simply incredible
Thats the good thing about mechanics. The only speed limiting thing there is how strong your material is
i am a mechanic for over 50 years and i am still amazed at the speeds of engines, intake, compression, power, exhaust cycles... the speed change a piston ,, it stops twice and goes the opposite direction each revolution.. 3000 rpm divided by 60 sec =50 revs per second= 100 direction changes per second... amazing
I absolutely love that tiny rotary engine! Wish they were easier to track down. Awesome series of videos in general around it, thanks man.
Thanks , I am currently in the process of manufacturing these for sale, I should have all the kinks worked out very soon.
Awesome! I'll keep an eye out.
Warped Perception next thing you know, there's an exact(almost) copy on AliExpress for $49.99
I was lucky enough to pick up an old _Sachs KM37_ rotary from '64... It took me ages to find!
I'd love to pop down to the local auto parts store and pick up things like Apex/side seals (etc.) for it, but sadly rotaries in general aren't all that popular anymore *:(*
I really want all that to change though!
Brodie Bennett I remember Sachs and all those. Been loving all that since my first tower hobbies catalog. Anyone ever scrap a shindaiwa trimmer for the zenoah engine?
I love how it idles at a speed that would instantly pop my 3S. Also, for one fraction of a second at 4:58, it hit PRECISELY 20,000 rpm followed by 22,222 rpm at 5:01. Don't know why, but seeing that was soooo satisfying.
2:50 - 3:33 Dudes with RX8's at 1am be like....
Hahahahaha. Me
They are too busy engineswapping them
Lmao
EdyAlbertoMS GT3 this is too good lmao
Especially those Russian dudes with lada engines in them
Full Rotary Episode here : ruclips.net/video/pCteBhr4dGY/видео.html in case you haven't seen it yet .
Warped Perception is the engine use peripheral port?
The sound is a little out of phase
Nitromethane now. we wanna see that casing fail. it will go faster on lighter fuels
Warped Perception try a thermal coating on the combustion area so it doesn't overheat the material
Where can i buy the little rotary engine?
Also, just noticed something interesting. At the end, during the high speed footage, pay attention to the vibration. Even though it might only weigh a FRACTION of a gram, at 29k rpm, that tiny piece of tape on the flywheel is enough to create a visible imbalance. That is friggin insane...
Gimme this thing right now. 4 Words.
Rotary Powered Barbie Car
Lmao
Just slap a 3dorito on that boi
Mazda RX-7 Barbie Edition🤣🤣
*Remplace the Kid Scale Driveable car's engine for this thing*
XD 2JZ that barbie car next :P
If this is like a 50-100cc , who wouldn't want to see and hear a moped ripping down the street with a rotary
4.9 cc's
Me too
Mufflers?
I want a gokart sounding like that
I thinks its a bit smaller than that but you can also put two of those in a moped. Id love having a rotary in a moped
I love how it still keeps that rotary sound. So beautiful
6:14 "vtec kicked in, beast mode activated" 😂
Lol. That's 787B.
True
Vtec on rotary engine?
@@Patutoo is possible, with Variable Intake Hole
@@afoxwithahat7846 🤣🤣🤣
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I am not surprised. A single cylinder 2 troke nitro R/C car engine typically reaches 30,000 RPM. A race spec engine can reach as up to 45,000 RPM. 29,000 RPM from a rotary RC aircraft engine is not as unbelievable as you might think. Impressive but not unbelievable.
Theoretically, Rotary engines have no physical limit to how fast they can rotate. The only limits are things like how much fuel and air you can supply, limits of the metals, friction, etc.
Smaller is the system, smaller is the system's time constant, because of less engaged mass into work, so it should be able to get a faster speed, at least in theory
Rossi,Picco,O.P.S.,MVVS,COX,SuperTiger, And so many more
I am pretty sure the rotary triangle spins 3 times for every one rotation of the crank shaft. This gives it an effective engine rpm of 8,333 rpm. I am pretty sure I heard that on a rotary forum at least.
So that 45,000 rpm engine would read 15,000 rpm's in the car.
That 45k rpm engine isn't a rotary engine though, that would be a 2 stroke piston engine but it would only be ~5cc
I can feel the apex seal going out already
The apex seal shot itself in the face midway
Needs a small turbo 😬
Yeah - the amount of force behind all that exhaust and the heat. Gobbling up the fuel - could use some more with a little snail though, would def be interesting, heh....
From my own experience. Boost In, Apex Seals Out .
nadalini1 is live to see this thing spit apex seals at with slow motion recording
Twin turbo ;)
Shamie Ramsamuj 😬
Full throttle with no load, I feel it's pain.
ColinWatters ??
@@Patrick-fz8ee Engines work most efficiently when up against a load.
@@chasemiller7974 i think hes tryna make a bad joke about what he does at 2 am
Lol wtf
@@ethancotton1549 Well that is kind of funny.
Thanks for taking the risk just for our pleasure bro. Appreciate a lot.
As I've said many times before, I really love what you do and the videos you produce. Damn, you're good!
Great video. This is coming from someone who dislikes rotary engine and will never own a car with one but can admire cool things.
I'm also impressed how much this thing takes being essentially passively cooled as you had no fan installed.
4:50 I can see that fuel level dropping surprisingly quick.
Wow hahaha
With great power, comes a great fuel consumption
Yes
that's why those engines absolutely need a turbo compressor, to reuse fuel and burn it again
When you zoomed in on the comments, my eyes stuck to "i want this on my bicycle"
I still can't believe you don;t have 1 million subscribers yet. The filming production looks like something from the science or discovery channel.
Thanks!, I am on both of those !!!. I'm working on it .... Just gotta upload more .
Awesome. I watched a few other see-thru engine videos on RUclips that used the same engine set up you did. Yours had much better lighting, a clearer camera view and using different fuels really helped with the visuals. None of the competition compares to yours. I also think you're the only guy who has done a rotary engine so far. You should try out other engines, maybe a tiny turbine engine, 2-stroke engine, steam engine or turbo/supercharger? Good call plugging that you made more see-thru rotary engines, I bet mechanic schools would be interested in buying those for class demonstrations.
I still can't believe people make comments like "I can't believe you don't have x subscribers yet." Like their arbitrary number is the definition of "success".
DEEREMEYER1
If you ever get more than 36 subscribers (at least 1,000) and over 4,000 minutes of view time you'll see that's exactly how RUclips defines "success" and the criteria for monetization and exposure.
DoomFinger511 everyone start from 0
I measured this from the audio in this video and I get it even higher at 30,180 rpm. I used the fundamental frequency of the exhaust sound at the highest RPM which was found by spectrum analysis at 6:25.503s to be 503Hz. Multiplied by 60secs you get 30180 RPM.
Fascinating engine and the high speed camera footage is amazing.
Yep you can totally do that, definitely kind of cool I have dab a little bit into ultrasonics in the past, it's kind of cool how you can analyze the footage to determine the RPM. And that amount of RPM is definitely crazy
Thank you
3 combustions , so multiply by 3 should be done, to audio burst frequency
If they ever rebooted mythbusters, I'd hope it would be you, Ave, and Toufledermaus as hosts
Thanks!, I was supposed to get their spot last year but the Facebook freebooters killed my contract (long story), but things happen for a reason. That's the way I see it .
Warped Perception either way, ill still be watching. I just think thatd be great if ya'll try to do something together, even if its just on youtube.
Well MythBusters is off the air on Discovery and they tried to bring it back and make it work on the science channel
This is just beautiful to watch
Rx8 owner
This is just beautiful to watch!
V8 Chevy owner.
This is just beautiful to watch!
Owner that would have like 1000 cars in his garage but is that poor to only afford one MR2 ZZW30 that soaks his all free budget. xD
Thanks for this illuminating video mate. BTW, your dog in the background is so well behaved.
20k plus rpm that's F1 racing there
luketrembay 29000 rpm is almost double what any f1 motor has done
21,000 rpm is the highest F1 rpm I know of, this thing is approaching jet engine idle speeds 😱
Arch Angel WHAT? No lol, jet engines go up to 50.000 rpm
PC Fanboy I was under the impression that they idled at 50,000 and revved higher on takeoff and flight load.
luketrembay ikr, 20k++ rpm with 10 piston vs 1 doritos
At 29k, thats 5.5hp for every ft/lb
Dave Micolichek I figure about 100ft/lb per liter on 2 strokes and would guess the wankle is midway between that and a 4 stroke- maybe 80? Hard to tell, but if I could pour 1oz in that wankle, that'd be 30cc or .03x80ft/lb or 2.4 ft/lb peak I'd guess around 12k?, perhaps 2ft/lb at 16k? So maybe about 6hp? Just my ball park guess with no more than looking at the video with the most basic data.
That engine appears to be a O.S. Engines 49-PI (0.3CU / 4.91CC) based upon size in relation to hands and it's RPM achieved. The 49-PI is reported as outputting 934 watts / 1.24 HP at 17,000 rpm and torque is about 0.37 ft/lbs. So @ 29K rpm it would be outputting ~1500 watts / ~2 HP.
All the other engines I've seen are 20CC or larger have thinner fins and lower rpms.
Cerberus984 I thought it was 6 times that-whoops. I estimated 2ft/lbs at peak hp, you say .37ft/lb. So, you think peak torque is at peak rpm? Now that I have displacement, I'd figure 1/6 my up guess- 1hp at ~16krpm
@Jimmy's Tractor
I simply used a 2 input toggle calculator that asks for rpm + torque or rpm + hp then solves for other. Then sourced my data from Barnard Microsystems which displays a vast variety of RC engines. The fins are equally thick on the OS engine and has same amount of end plate bolts. Although, the first two fins right of the exhaust port differ from the video I saw to the picture from my data source there were two different generations of that motor.
The next step up (different brand) is a 20cc Nitto NR-20EP is significantly larger from the videos I've seen people holding it in their hand or on a bench top.
Cerberus984 cool, looks good. I just guessed.
I don't know about the Wankel, but my 12CZ-R, with high compression head, turns 32k rpm and produces 0.52hp. It takes my Sandmaster 10 buggy up to 50+mph on 25% nitro fuel. Your Wankel, however, isn't supposed to spin that fast, as it's designed to turn a prop. And, the tips of the blades aren't supposed to go supersonic.
*Reciprocating engines easily outperform this little 1.2 hp Wankel engine... which is why they were discontinued.*
doktorbimmer isn’t it 4-5hp
This makes 5hp
doktorbimmer
_Bitch prove it. Give me links to_ *ACTUAL* _evidence of that. Because I feel that if any piston engine made that much power in the same displacement, they (the makers) would be fucking rich by now. But I clearly haven’t heard of such a thing._
_I’m using italics since you’re using bold._
@@thejay8963 While it's good to always ask for evidence and proof, I would highly suggest if you want to start a debate/argument or a call for evidence, etc. that the very first word in your sentence isn't an ad-hominem attack against the other person. It's uncalled for, really. He is simply just saying what he believes to be true. Also, the debate in question isn't really too important - this isn't a topic that shatters one's whole life preception in 1 argument like many Hillary voting identity politics communists love to constantly pose...
Solid video. No BS. Thanks!
That seems about right on the RPMs since there's so little rotational mass. I've done alot of thinking on the designs used in most rotary engines. Particularly the rotor itself.
The biggest problem at the rotary engine faces to prevent it from becoming the best engine ever in my opinion is its efficiency. A lot of its energy is lost before it can never be converted into mechanical energy. I think that can be fixed by rounding off the lobes on the rotor. Making each combustion chamber round instead of square. This would allow one solid ring per combustion chamber rather than the ones that are piece together at the corners and allow some of the energy to escape. The rotary engine an amazing engine just because of its simplicity. So making it even more simple is the best route in my opinion
Rotary engines are thermally innefficient by design, what you're thinking won't change that.
Whether it be a traditional otto cycle style of engine or this Wankel its not possible to achieve greater efficiency by any of the methods you mentioned. Both of these engines face similar problems with irreversible processes therefore it could be no better than the Otto cycle. For example by rounding off the lobes you'd decrease the combustion cycles efficiency to do work on the rotor. There is a reason the wankel has used basically the same lobe shape since its inception. Lets say that you did find an optimized shape to achieve what you're saying the main problem is still not optimized by doing that. If you'd want to make an ultra efficient Wankel you'd head more towards the material science aspect of things and need to probably look toward the use of materials like ceramic that way you could run hotter fuel, that would do what you said in your original comment. Now of course using ceramic brings in a host of other issues as well and that's the problem.
uncleweirdbeard
The lobes and the "wobble" are how it achieves compression.
That would be like taking the crank out of a LS, and replacing it with a straight rod. Sure there is still a combustion chamber, but with no compression.
They are actually fairly efficient when run at a single speed with non overlapping ports, but you'll never get good power that way.
Wankel makes for excellent airplane engine... Where you pretty much set a certain RPM and stay there for extended period of time. By design the Wankel makes for a pretty terrible "car" engine. SO while it does work in ground vehicle applications, the rotary engine is best suited for high RPM airplane engines that only require a narrow rev range.
Rotary engine with flame forefront is so beautiful....
I LOVES the moment when it comes from "Grinder" mode back to idle
i love how it sounds exactly like a 767b
Agreed, I was thinking the same thing
787b
@@anthonymartin6352 somewhat not close to a 787-B
*Sounds more like a weedwacker than a 767b.*
*Several companies marketed Wankel powered yard equipment but they were all commercial failures.*
Simply fantastic! Very impressive. Congrats.
Thanks a lot for making taping editing uploading and sharing.
You know it's good when it starts on the first pull.
Btw you can reach 29k RPM with your Merc too, just push to the max into 6th and then shift in 1st
I think it will break...
@@77xyu94 well i think it will break
@@recepgunoglu4058 sorry for grammar mistake...
@Event Horizon yes i really sorry for that
That's cool considering my mom's rainbow vacuum cleaner says MAX..RPM is. 30,000. Truly amazing that rotary engine badass
Love these video's! Great content, video work and production. Nice job.👌🍺😎
Rotary fans be like : I WANT ONE!!!
bravo 099 you're not wrong haha
bravo 099 rotary fans be like "we own one"
I'll stick to my LS
Just to have at home to listen to when not racing 🏁😵
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29,000 is truly amazing. I've seen you run out of batteries and fuel on other rotary engine videos and this is brilliant research. This concept definitely has legs, despite our world attitude to ic engines as a whole. Small is beautiful. Less oil burning HAS to be a good thing. Good luck with your future research! 29,000. I mean, WOW! 🌟👍
If you build that thing with 5 liters and turbocharge it you have defently the most powerful engine
You'll also have to hook your fuel line directly to some massive barrels because that will inhale fuel
@@maiq1218 yes and a decent 300l feul tank 😂
With 5 liters it couldnt spin that fast.
@@semick4729 yes if 8 rotors, 0.5125L each
@@afoxwithahat7846 yes, but we are looking into single rotor
That is amazing. We have our racing RX8's at 9000.
Gawin Grimm so corny
9 grand? You need to go talk to some Puerto Rican's my man and learn the trade secrets. LOL I can still hear the 13b Starlets banging out ridiculous rpm at Englishtown in my mind. b b b b bbbbbbraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap!
Seriously though, is there something with the side port engine that limits you guys? I would take my Turbo II to 9500rpm all day.
JViello the rx8 13b renesis reliably revs to 10800 stock so you're nothing special.
That's what I figured Unco, thanks for the reply. Sooooo, maybe he meant 19,000 rpm? LOL
The limiting factor in production rotary engines is the rotating assembly balance. It might not be an issue here as there is only 1 rotor whereas Mazda rotary engine come in 2 and 3 rotor configurations and 4 rotor race applications. If the rotating assembly is too far out of balance spec it will wobble and cause catastrophic failure. Basically the better the rotating assembly is balanced, the longer the engine will last at higher RPM.
Love how you verified your results
As flawed as the rotary engine is, I still respect it and what it can do. Amazing videos, thank you for this!!
So you never had one, right?)
Wankles are reving fools! I owned three Mazda rotaries and they love to rev. I think your cracked clear housing loss compression and thats why the engine quit.
I don't see any attempt by him to provide proper cooling....that's why it quit
I love those mean mini braps lol. You need to make Rob Dahm a mini 4 rotor and put it in an RC car. That would be a good collab video.
That German Shepherd in the back tho 💕
Time?
Its an alsation
Great vid dude. always good content here😀👍👌
Math doesn't lie. Great work. Especially Proofing your results.
You can try to use a sound analyzer too, for speed measuring
I seem to recall he did that once, using Audacity.
That's what I was thinking. 483 revs per second with 3(?) exhaust pulse per revolution should give a note at about 1449Hz. I'm not any kind of musician but that seems to match the note on the video quite well.
Actualy, it's only 483 exhaust pulses,. The rotor runs at a 1 to 3 ratio...
Usar lâmpada com luz estroboscópica vai facilitar ainda mais as análises. Sugeriria ainda adiantar o ponto de ignição, que talvez devesse ser móvel, para atuar em rotações ainda maiores. Além disso imagine aproveitar a combustão numa turbina de jato reator, e injeção de água, onde o Hidrogênio aumentará também o torque.
Great, great job! 8:50 "Numbers don't lie" - I like that!
damn that rotary sounds good
Electric motor basically is the answer for rotary engine
*-* *Brutal powerband*
*-* *Sound like vacum*
*-* *And its also can make big power*
Wow. Look at all the fuel leaving with the exhaust. I knew these engines rev high, and have the "Brap" like a two stoke. I just wish these engines worked better, and not kill the planet at the same time. I do love that feeling of power they deliver.
Dam it. Now I want one.
Imagine replacing your nutri bullet motor with this thing 😀
Smoothe in 5 seconds. And your Neighbors wandering what the heck is going on
😂😂
@@THEGAMINGHELP101
The neighbors must be wondering why are you running your lawnmower at 3 in the morning
Soul Gen rotary weed eater lmao
I laughed good! 😅 You'd be the smoothie king in the neighborhood!
This is so cool!!! It sounds like a weed eater or an extremely rich nitro engine.
All things consider no radiator or fan to cooled the little engine, and still held up the abuse. You really know how to make a engine.
The engine was made by Graupner /O.S.
Please do with 2 rotors, as if it were the 13b of the RX-7
Sandro Sobreira why stop there. Why not a 26b or more.
26b, 4 rotor 😉
Anon gamer more. MAKE IT FIVE
SIX
SEVEN
6:16 so this is the sound of an F1 engine 😧
We used a digital tach when I was a marine mechanic's helper. Them things are dead on balls accurate.
I want to own one!
Coming soon
Warped Perception I am looking forward to it!
Freizeitflugsphäre
www.caranddriver.com/news/new-spin-mazda-files-patent-for-new-gen-rotary-engine-heres-what-it-tells-us
just google os max wankel engine. there still for sale. its a model aiplane engine www.os-engines.co.jp/english/line_up/engine/air/wankel/rotindex.htm
imagine a wankel powered bycicle
Too bad they can’t make a more efficient rotary engine. When my brother graduated HS he got a brand new truck and gave me his RX7. It was in ok shape but drank oil like crazy.
That was a long time ago and out of all the vehicles I’ve owned since then I can honestly say that RX was the funnest car to drive.
Yrah rotary engine is fuel sucking stuff if compare to others like piston...
the Wankel cooling and oil consumption seems to be an engineers nightmare
@Roy Hsieh *Actually the Wankel is obsolete because of the terrible combustion and thermodynamic efficiency problems for which no solutions exist.*
Even the tiny ones sound so good!
When he started up his Merc and it said visit workshop I was dead.😂😂
Yup, "Get in The Car,Turn The Key,Start The Engine (Engine:Oww Something is not normal with me okay ECU!!!! Visit Workshop Notice Please ECU:Got Ya)Right Away 'Visit Workshop'😂😂"
That is a really trick stand that you taped the fuel tank to. LOL
That-was absolutely worth watching.
Damnit WP, you're making it very difficult to do my work with these videos.
your videos are so damn good.
After watching donuts video about not being able to reach 20k rpm with an internal combustion engine thid just showed what the power of rotary and good engineering does to rpm also this thing is amazing it sounds so good
i wish my 110cc scooter runs using this awesome engine, hope it can run 120km/h in my street village
I have 70cc bike which I've taken to 114km/h.😎
This engine didn't blow at 29k rpm, it blew my mind instead!
But seriously, something doesn't ad up. I mean the CD ROMs and HDs spin at a fraction of it, and it'll blow if you push them a little. Am I missing something?
It's amazing how the edges of where the rotor spins doesn't like wear down instantly
Anyone know the music used from 6:02-6:23? I tried a few music recognition sites with no hits. The music along with that transition into the slow motion footage of the fuel being injected into the rotor housing and the engine screaming to 27k RPM was goosebump inducing. Good freaking job.
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This guy looks like Shoenice if he got help for his addictions cleaned up and got an engineering degree.
ACA332 lmfaooo
ACA332 it's about the concept, and he did a fine job demonstrating it
Thank ya
This guy is a madman. Thumbs up.
Hello from Germany.
I was born and im still Living in the City where Felix Wankel was born (13. August 1902).
77933 Lahr/Schwarzwald : 48° 19' 59.999" N 7° 52' 0.001" E :-)
On the Karting Circuit Urloffen (Ortenau Ring) i´ve seen a wankel.
Please excuse my bad english
Wow.. very nice!
Quite ok all we need to know is where is the beer and sausage
You are a lucky guy. I am in Indonesia have never seen a wankel engine. But I think that I really love with wankel engine.
its still to rich and those motors can rev out to 48000 with the right fuel and the right fuel air mixture.
Really ?, I'll have to try that soon .....
Rebel Gaming
At 48k that means the engine is turning over at 800 times a second.
48000 rpm is more like it
This is true, regular piston Rc engines redline at 32,000. Rotary has to do more for sure.
Dave Micolichek I had a picco .32 that surly got up there once I ported it. I don’t doubt it. But I was just putting out an easily achievable number lol
Pretty darn impressive. You gotta thicken that plexi and turbo that little soldier! 🤪
Heck that got me subscribed !
Damn, even a mini rotary engine sounds amazing
Remember that the rotors only turn at 1/3rd the speed of the e-shaft
From what I know when the rotor does one rotation, the shaft does 3 rotations, so if you got 9.666 rotations on the rotor itself, and 29000 rotations at the point of measurement. Well, that's the math explained my rotary mechanics, not me. All the best! Great vids!
LucyanoLuci but the number that would appear on the dash of a vehicle would still be 29,000, yes?
@@sterlingroberts6240 Theoretically, yes,but in normal rotary engine you will never get this very high rpm.
I can only imagine what that would sound like if it was a quad-rotor (ala 26B). It would probably go beyond the range of hearing at 25K rpm or so!🤣 Not to mention about 20-25 hp out of 20cc's.😳😁 (more rotors, smoother power delivery, higher torque/horsepower overall)
Wait when you counted the frames wasn't that 6 frames to rotate 120°? So was the real RPM closer to 9600?
yep
Look at the tape xd
Actually, in rotary engines, the output shaft rotates 3 times faster than the rotor. What he measured was output RPM.
Incredible, one thing that surprised me was the shape of the combustion chamber⚠️😯