Norm Finkelstein DOGWALKS Destiny In Israel Debate
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Krystal and Saagar discuss Norm Finkelstein, Mouin Rabbani, Benny Morris, and Destiny debating Israel on Lex Friedman's podcast.
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Destiny role was definitely meant for Ben Shapiro but Ben Shapiro is a coward.
Mind Begs the Question:
- To justify,defend,support policies of
- Starvation,Death Camps,Pogroms,White Phosphorus Gassing,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Democratic or Nazi?
I'd imagine Ben would be at least more knowledgeable than Destiny. The guy has only been interested in this subject matter since after Oct 7.
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeingstbh, It's not the most important thing on my mind. That region is a mess. Let them sort it out themselves, or at the very least until they are willing to move forward.
Mind Begs the Question:
- If a Govt stage WMD Hoax
- Govt can't stage Terrorist Attack
- To manufacture justification,consent
- For Ethnic Cleansing,Total Occupation?
Sharpie man knew he would get owned. Destiny is still soaked in dunning-Kruger from his rabid Zionist fankids shielding him from the truth and his mods banning any dissent.
When is Shapiro gonna face Finklestein ?
Shapiro only debates college kids
@@jfinity_362 like destiny
Why to act like a man yelling at clouds again
He would never. Remember how poorly it went for him going against a milquetoast BBC host.
at the Pearly gates
The fattest guy in the room is skeptical of starvation in Gaza, i'm shocked.
Yeah so starving they complain about free MRE’s
@@Saif_Al_Dajjal Dude please stfu, imagine if your grand kids are capable of seeing you defending genocide. I get you "don't think its a big deal" but it is a massive deal, the horror israel is doing is unheard of, kids are dying from heart attacks, because lack of sleep
@@Saif_Al_Dajjal The big brain on mike. "Hey all is forgiven, you gave us military grade survival food!" Nevermind the fact of why they needed it in the first place. This logic parallels people who do heinous acts but then for the sake of optics provide a published apology when the harm is already done yet the root of the issues are not properly being addressed.
@@Saif_Al_Dajjal if I were starving-like starving, malnourished-and the people who were behind that starvation decided to throw me a bone and gave me a ration, I’d probably still be complaining because, y’know, I’m literally malnourished
According to the World Health Organization, obesity affects 26.8% of the Palestinian population and the last time I checked, obese people don’t starve to death.
How can an occupation for almost 75 years be called a war! Palestine has no army, they have no country they have no citizenship. Wars are waged between either two countries or more, or a civil war in a single country. This is like calling the Italy invasion under Mussolini into Ethiopia a war, it was not a war it was an invasion that resulted in about half og Ethiopians were murdered, it was a genocide. What israel has done dwarfs that because it has been ongoing for so damn long. I am not making small of what Italy did to Ethiopians, I am just putting this into some type of perspective.,
Nonsense. Half of Palestinians have not been murdered. What Italy did dwarfs what Israel is doing.
Unfortunately, your view is the minority among Americans. We have been subtly brainwashed by media for the past 70 years. There is a fear in the US of being called antisemetic.
Doesn't it seem strange your view is only coming out now? I knew of the Palestinian's plight decades ago. Intellectuals always knew, but they had to be careful to talk about this. It's only coming out now is because Palestinians finally have access to computers. For decades, we've only been hearing Israel's side for 70 years.
Mr. Morelli, Mr. Borelli was the best part 😆
mr kurosawa
"Mr. Benelli, stop be a 12 gauge semi automatic shotgun!"
"Mr. Vermicelli, stop noodling around!"
~~~~~~
Funny comments I saw on a compilation video!😂
That's the only part cause Nieman made no argument
@@rebelmango2141
And you’re not making any point by purposely writing Norman’s name wrong
There is an account of at least 9 times Norm saying Destiny's name incorrectly, which was extremely hilarious
"Ive not seen one Palestinian starve to death"...
Yeah well Ive not seen one Jew die in the holocaust, is that the standard of documentation we wanna use, really?
Did you just deny the Holocaust? Damn you really are a Norman Finkelstein fan.
Yep. Yep it is.
Stupid point, there's no record of a legitimate starvation death before October 7th
@@mobiblaize yes, there has been.
@@abubaytnighan6480 Link/source???
I'm waiting
Destiny is so cringeworthy...
No apartheid should exist
Brave stance.
How original
It's not apartheid. Israel supports ALL who are loyal--no matter their race, religion, gender or orientation.
@@I_Lemaire wrong... IDF executed in broad daylight a palestinian who formally converted to judaism and supported israel
@@I_LemaireQuestion: who made this quote?:
"no water, no food, no electricity"
Calling this law of the jungle is insult to jungle.
it's drum & bass at best
@@MyNameIsBucket We need Jungle, I'm afraid!
Yes, Animals dont starve each other to death, for a myth or a peace of land.
I wonder what the trees and the forests think of us as humans
@@mkadi70me too
SHUT UP MR SPAGHETTI
Huh?
@@chadowstar2992 joke about destiny being called everything but his actual last name by norm lol
Good one! I don't think we can give Norm the W since he was unable to compute a most basic fact (his opponent's name)
@@mdaddy775 mr spaghetti i don’t care
@@mdaddy775 Very substantive reason...
Destiny is the very definition of a soulless liberal
Have some cheese with your whine
He’s a Zionist
i dont think he'd even deny this
@@mutedmutiny9542cringe
@@pkfirealarm4685 wince
“Maybe you should spend some more time on tik tok, where you might get actual information” is wild💀
I now understand the need for them to acquire TikTok,
No way in hell I would have believed this statement isn't a joke but here we are. Goes to show why all of a sudden US politicians of both parties are magically united in push to force Tiktok sale to an American corporation.
Yeah not a great statement out if context, but she means all the documented cases of starvation on TikTok. Ironically, it’s one of the few methods of normal Palestinians to get their stories out because there aren’t many reporters out there.
Says the people who don't use tik tok. There's truth and propaganda/garbage on every platform, and in this case there are more people on clock app doing something to support Palestenians than any there are on here.
Probably more apt to say spend time on a source of media that isn’t bought and paid for
"The Zionists as a movement, and then the State of Israel, which emerged from that movement, declared war on the Palestinian people. In that war we saw ethnic cleansing, genocidal policies and a racist apartheid regime" ~ Miko Peled.
Mind Begs the Question:
- If Nazis escaped
- Embed in another Nation,Religion
- Rename their Political Movement
- Can't be recognized
- Can be recognized by Matching Policies
- Starvation,Death Camps,Gas Chambers/White Phosphorus,Pogroms,Ethnic Cleansing,etc?
And the sand part is that the majority of Americans believe it all started on Oct. 7th 2024 according to their posts, talks and propaganda.
I'm so surprised YT didn't automatically delete this
They rarely let criticism of Israel stand
Mind Begs the Question:
- If Criticism of Israel/Zionists
- Is Criticism of all Jews/Anti-Semitic
- Crimes of Israel/Zionists
- Crimes of all Jews?
@@mannygutierrez7654you comment on the one of 100s of BP obsessing over Israel.
Mouin Made a very good point early on against the Hasbara point that the Palestinians rejected the initial partition in 47.
Who on their right mind would give parts of their land willingly? even more rediculous, is the fact that some people cite anti semitism as reason.
I disagree. I would concede is Israel is in the right in 48 and even 67, just to skip over it to the occupation post 67. Once the PLO surrenders in the 70s, Israel should’ve given land back
@@tidakada7357 the zion@zi state's very existence cannot be justified, especially since it came at the cost of indigenous people...
@@caleb-glennmarcus6887it doesn’t matter my goodness .. land is not owed to anyone… you have to take it
@@billsmith9737so would you resist if I come and take your home then ?
@@aminealioualla I beg you to come and try
Benny Morris agreed with everything Destiny said, though. Insulting Destiny is insulting Morris.
Benny Morris is a pretty objective historian
Benny smiled and agrees with norman when he call destiny a fantastic morn
Yep
@@RobPires More like he’s finding how unhinged and emotional Finklestein got pretty amusing, Finklestein was unable to respond to a single point from Destiny
@@mina319 unable to respond to a single point? That is exaggerating isn't it? Norman may have lost his temper. I can understand why.
I remember from my history lessons that the British used to call the people from Indian subcontinent, the African continent etc, as uncivilized barbarians 😊
Hmm...was that an American history lesson? If so I pity your ignorance.
They were.
@StimParavane I wish you could see that the world is much bigger than your America, and there's a vast land out there other than your America where children learn their own history lessons. What to say, I pity your ignorance too. Take care.
Truth is, the people they called uncivilised barbarians are the people who showed them civility, dumb barbarians 😁.
They still are
Benny Morris "International Law is Irrelevant " 😢
SMH. Wow.
UN Resolution 181 should be irrelevant at this point.
Well... I mean for better or worse that IS kind of true...
@firefly9838 the point is that it's as much a normative statement as it is a descriptive one. His implication is that "International law is often ignored...and therefore Israel should ignore international law" which in this instance means mass slaughter of civilians. It's not a dry academic observation about international relations, it's a justification for an awful array of violence against civilians.
@@zswqade3q24 What about Hamas?
Be quiet Mr. Ravioli, Spaghetti, broccolini.
Did I just hear a Professor say international law is irrelevant?
Wow just wow.. that is where we are now?
It is irrelevant. The United States isn’t even part of the ICC. The fact is that international law only imprisons people if the world hates them and they don’t have power. Bush should be in prison, Xi should be in prison, Putin should be in prison… yet they’re not. So yes, it is a joke.
A lot of Israeli activities are illegal and have been illegal for a very long time and are ongoing despite that fact. Doesn’t seem as though these laws really matter.
His view of international law is identical to that of fascists and Nazis.
"International law" is in fact irrelevant. Where have you been? Don't be so naive
@@borkingborker5567or America re Iraq?
Basically
When things are done to Israel, then law applies and everyone is bad, when Israel does things law doesn’t apply and everyone else is bad.
Or
You are just a dummy who doesn’t understand how the law works.
just like when the pro palestine crowd praises the houthis for illegally attacking merchant ships in violation of international law. Pro palestine side cherry picks international law just as much, if not more, than the israeli side.
This is what Nazi was doing..@Porter90
@Porter90
"Why can't people leave me alone in the house I just stole."
@Porter90 liar and NatZio apologist-stooge
You telling me the guy with the constant ad hominem attacks , constantly virtue signaling and misquotes from a book with the author sitting in front of him wasn’t the youtuber who clearly didn’t belong here?
PSA for Destiny fans: You've used your allocated use of 'ad hominem' for the day 💀
If you watched the entire thing, you'll see that the ad hominem attacks didn't happen until later and he didn't misquote anything. He was pointing out Benny Morris' self-contradiction. He has moved to the right, and can't admit it.
seems that everyone agrees.
Still colonialism and genocide. Now cope and seeth.
@@bobbyg3097 min and 51 likes😂 they are litteraly organizing💀
Mouin Rabbani was an absolute boss that entire conversation - never loses his cool, never strawmans the other side, an absolute top G
Rabbani the most problematic person in the room. His unhinged statements didn't get attention though because he came off as calm and cool.
@@Landofjello cope
The guy who accused Destiny of supporting Segregation, because he said that he didn't know if he could call Apartheid and US Segregation the same thing? That is all Destiny said about the subject, he just didn't think that from a legal perspective that they could be considered the same thing. So how is Mouin Rabbani not strawmaning here?
@@nathanielhellman6952I don’t think you understand what a strawman is and that’s understandable coming from a Destiny supporter
@@Hebiscus998 OK then explain it. I gave an example, so now I would appreciate if you did as well. Why is what Rabbani did not strawmaning? What does making a strawman actually look like? Also, nice attack on my personal character rather than fully engaging with my point. It works so well in proving your point.
Holy shit this is insane. Destiny stomped norm so incredibly hard
For the 1st time in my life, I've been able to be proud of my South African heritage.
You should be, the entire Muslim world owes South Africa a debt imo
You guys are real g’s
For real, good on South Africa. One of the few heroes of the moment.
@@elite7329I don’t understand the relevance of the ‘entire Muslim world’ in regard to a humanitarian crisis.
This isn’t a religious issue, it is a racial-political issue.
@@elite7329❤
if you want to defend ISrael, you have to use double standards all the time, not just a few tmes
@Porter90^Least delusional hasbashit, everyone
@Porter90spam
different standards exist. the question is why should we give Israel that different standard?
@@tempacc9589finkle lost clearly. He couldn’t answer any of destinys points and immediately started insulting
@@Yondervan2no, destiny couldn't properly respond without a double standard existing.
Destiny is such a joke , I don't know why people give that dude a spot light
He rides the line between right and left, validating alt right people on his platform and going on theirs. It’s what’s really exploded him this past year
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
He has no redeeming qualities. Addyd out, fast talking, petty, neo-lib. He represents a generation of low t men that are basically future boomers.
I am 100% progressive and liberals are getting this so backwards
"Who are you going to believe? Me? or your lying eyes?"
@Porter90
You want Palestinians to account for the holocaust and give away their land just because USA supports Israel military?!
You know what? some day "sugar dady" USA will stop supporting the apartheid system. then and only then would the terrorist Isr@el accept the reality and let the Palestinians have their rights.
@Porter90 you sound like an ignorant child
@Porter90GENOCIDE.
It was a SET UP from the beginning.
It was rejected by the Palestinians AT THE GET GO, Because their Land was Negotiated WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
It's therefore Stolen on a SCAM.
@Porter90Zionists starting history at the most arbitrary points 😂😂😂
@@tempacc9589 You can't even spell that word. This is where you be quiet.
As always, after five hours of cutting through the hasbara, it finally came down to: "Yea we've been bullshitting. Get fucked."
As Bassem Youssef says "the world is letting me do it. I do it because I can."
Yet Hamas has attacked more countries than just Isreal
And nobody from the Palestine side has the balls to call Palestinians what they are.. they are hamas
Did you see his first discussion with Piers Morgan? Master class.
Lmao bassem yousef is a liar
@@ajvorob9117 ok, Zio.
@@haraldisdead he's literally a clown. When asked what Israel should have done as an alternative to the current operation, he just said "not this" and kept blabbering about innocent women and children killed. By doing that he pretty much bought into hamas propaganda hook line and sinker.
I struggle to see ANY difference between zionism & nazism.
That’s because you aren’t intelligent enough 👍🏻
Scale. That's it.
@PoliticsReal also intent, if isreal actually wanted to kill all Palestinians they'd all be dead by now, but their population is actually growing ......
Legitimate 10 IQ comment. I bet you “struggle” with many things, including tying up your shoelaces or using a toilet without adult supervision.
Legitimate 10 IQ comment. I bet you “struggle” with many things, including tying up your shoelaces or using a toilet without adult supervision
No, Crystal, you just will always be on the side of the person you want to believe. If you cannot see that Finkelstein is a nutcase who always acts in bad faith, then there's nothing anyone can do for you. And it makes you a terrible person.
"If we're going to have the law of the jungle, then we can all be beasts" is one hell of line.
Is he quoting something, or did he come up with that on the spot?
This is a completely different take than I had. I really don’t like Destiny but Finkelstein didn’t school him at all. He kept turning to personal attacks and name calling. I am not an expert on the subject but once he let his anger take over and resorted to insults I lost all respect for his arguments. Maybe he’s just not a good debater but I watched the entire 5hrs and his behavior left me with a completely different impression than Krystal. I am not educated enough to make a clear judgement and I don’t really care enough to choose a side. Anyhow, that’s just my 2 cents
Krystal is just a partisan, she only agrees with those that confirm her priors. She's never had a critical thought about Finkelstein because she agrees with him.
What makes you think Destiny deserves respect here? Finklestein is an expert and an activist, but he absolutely never pretends to respect people he doesn't, he means it, he's not playing some social media game.
@@pietzsche So did he school him or did he feel it was beneth him to do so? Make up your mind.
@@pietzscheBenny Morris certainly deserves respect
@@ZombieLincoln666 Why?
Who annexed that missing patch in Destinys beard? 🤣From the nose to the ear, Destinys beard lives in fear 💀
Body shaming much?
@@natural yes
That beard split like the red sea. Even his facial hair trying to seperate from him out of embarrassment.
@@naturalyes
Amphetamines sometimes trigger Trichotillomania (hair pulling/removal). Also, 🤣🤣🤣
This is why people make fun of krystal and her libertarian friend
I don’t agree with destiny on most things, however having a half an hour video showing only one side of a conversation and saying that the other side doesn’t have any good points seems a bit biased
Exactly
Ya think? BP has become a Palestinian propaganda channel.
I mean to be fair this was Krystal's daily Anti-Israel segment.
Krystal is clearly biased when it comes to this issue.
Everyone is biased and when the media pretends they are not, it is propoganda. Every single talking head has biases that inform their views and impact their coverage. The key is knowing their biases to assess their views and statements. If you're not doing this, then it is just PR
Dog Walks ?
Krystal is so biased and it’s sooo incredibly cringe.
I’ve stopped watching her years ago for how she nuders her husband Kyle’s takes everytime they share the screen together
Destiny was cooked on the topic. Keep coping.
Poor Destiny fan crying in the comments
Leave Britney Alone! 😭
@@jfinity_362 Norm embarrassed himself. Keep coping.
she used to make herself out to be different than the other partisan hacks. Seems even she cashed out.
A comparison of "blk nationalist" to Zionist is not accurate
Dont agree with this take at all. I don't share anything in common with Destiny politically but I believe he represented admirably.
Krystal is a big Finkelstein fan. lol
Imagine if she was Destiny's lol
Who isn't lmao. Sorry for the destiny fans he got humiliated cope harder
Okay? Everyone should be
@@konstantinkrastev4478like when
@@konstantinkrastev4478How was he humiliated? What did Finkelstein do instead of appealing to emotion, throwing insults, and occasionally screaming?
“Dog walk”…seriously?? You guys at Breaking Points are supposed to be better than that.
Cry about it some more
Destiny's takes on this issue been bothering poor Krystal for a long time 😂😂
but he got dog walked
@elite7329 breaking points has 6 year old children? Makes sense.
Yeah its not nice to compare a mental patient to a dog
It always boils down to: “When MY side does something atrocious it was accidental or situational or an honest mistake or part of warfare or justified in some way. When the other side does something atrocious it was intentional and evil and they’re immoral monsters.”
Most people seem to really struggle with the fact that their side or their own group can, in fact, commit atrocities on purpose for ideological reasons. I’m German, I would know.
THANK you, someone with common sense
Ewww…what a sophomoric take.
Exactly
Yes, they can as we are all human and capable of evil. How is this relevant to Israel-Palestine in any way however? Palestinians were driven out of their land, killed, and ostracized for no reason other than the fact that they exist. The ideology that you refer to in the case of Palestinians is the ideology that Palestians have basic human rights and deserve to be able to live in peace without being bombed and displaced. The two sides in this conflict are as follows: Genocide Apologists and Free-Thinking People.
Wrong.
Morris entire argument, “indigenous should cede land to colonialist or they are antisemetic “
People hear what they want to hear, as they say
Morris entire argument is the Arabs started the war because they rejected any Jewish state and the Jews were facing a second holocaust and pushed back the Arab countries
@@tonywoutrs
Morris literally says, that it’s antisemetic for Arabs to refuse to recognize Israel?
LOL
@@uncomfortabletruth3831 you're not being serious right?
Being recognised is important for ANY lasting peace, denial means endless war.
And if you vow to never make peace with an ethnic group, until they're all gone or dead, I think it's reasonable to assume there are is a deep seeded hate against that ethnic group, with potential genocidal ambitions if the opportunity presents.
Am I saying Israel is free to do whatever?(Before you twist words) Not at all, the settlements have to go, we can apply standards to both where needed
(instead of joking and trivialising genocide and suffering)
@@tonywoutrs
I disagree, the deep seated hatred, is against Western imposed settler colonialism.
And only hate Jews because of their self entitled land grabbing ways.,
The same as any second class citizen would feel under similar circumstances.
As far as peace, there are many on both sides that don’t want to.
Though it’s Israel that needs to make concessions, as it was Zionist who seek to cease lands .
In regard to the double standard Zionists have about International Law:
"If we're going to have the law of the jungle, then we can all be beasts, not only some of us."
- Mouin Rabbani
Powerful words.
The US behaves this way too in the Security Council (sic) of the UN. Do whatever you want, if you have the power
On the flip side, Hamas doesn't follow international law either
And Finklestein approves of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, against international law.
@@orlandoescobar5174 You aren't getting it - it is completely stupid for Israel to think that the masses would believe the Zionists' hypocritical logic for more than a couple months.
@Porter90 Zionists really are too far gone. You believe wholeheartedly you are doing the right thing but can’t see the atrocities Israel is committing. Or you don’t want to see, or lastly you don’t care.
The whole concept of this show is supposedly to look at both sides of an argument, yet you are completely unable to engage with the other side's arguments. Krystal starts out with an attack on Destiny's character/appeal to authority ("sitting like a child at the grown-ups table"), and then characterizes the other side's points as being "hasbara propaganda". Because nobody can seriously hold a different view than you without it being propaganda. Great journalism guys!
That's modern Breaking Points for you. The level of hypocritical hubris in unbelievable.
Because not all view deserve respectable treatment. Like should we seriously listen and pay respect to holocaust deniers or racists? You have the freedom to express your beliefs, but everyone else also has the freedom to ridicule stupid beliefs. And Destiny's beliefs are stupid, harmful, and contains a lot of lies.
Destiny’s character and lack of authority on this topic is more than fair to bring up considering Destiny was factually wrong about literally every point he made on the topic.
@@mikeh6700 Finkelstein, is that you?
@@Leiska86 Okay Steven
No Jewish state yet Muslims can have 22!?!
I have no clue who the destiny kid is, but I do not understand why people were so upset about his being on the podcast. He obviously didn’t come across as an expert, but I didn’t find anything he said to be particularly absurd. The guest who seemed most incapable of constructive discussion on the topic was Norm. Everyone should read Plato’s Gorgias and Thomas Sowell’s work ‘Intellectuals and Society’. It’s important to learn how to spot sophists, such as Norm.
Completely agree. I’m no fan of Destiny but he was treated with complete disrespect by Norm, which speaks everything to Norms character, he’s a hack.
If you didn't find anything Destiny said to be absurd and instead find fault with Normal Finklestein then perhaps you should donate all of your organs to those in need soon. Dump the brain though.
Mr. Borelli literally made the case that the West's morality would not accept the killing of civilians.
You didn't find anything he said absurd? Lol. He says dropping nukes in 2 million people isn't genocide. Jim Crow south isn't apartheid.
@@italia189 You simply dont understand his arguments. He says all those things are bad but dont rise to the very specific charges of "genocide" and "apartheid". For genocide you need the specific intent to eradicate a whole people simply dropping a nuke in the war without the intent is not genocide AGAIN THIS IS STILL A BAD THING. but not the specific crime of genocide
@@italia189 and his argument for jim crow laws not being apartheid is that they were not specific laws .again not that they were good. but that the charge of "apartheid" is only for laws.
95% of the time Norm was name calling, recounting how many pages he's read, selectivly quoting from his own books, and refusing to engage with Mr. Bons
He wasn't quoting from his own book. You obviously didn't watch it. He was quoting from Morris's books
@@iamtheCircus Qouting from his book quoting Morris. Which is dumb. Jsut ask the guy sitting in front of you. and When Morris would explain further he would call back to the book again lol Silly
@@iamtheCircus I thought the Morris quotes were in his own book(Norm). Are you sure?
@@fitzgeraldfilmsMN that's how I saw it as well
A lot of people are sucking Norms nuts because they agree with his policies.
I don’t see how anyone can honestly believe Norm “dog walked” Destiny. Norm argued in an objectively weak way: he appealed to authority, he made false equivalencies and he insulted his opponent. Lost a lot of respect for breaking points
When someone totally denies reality you kind of have to appeal to authority. For example, if Destiny argues Israel is not an apartheid state and things are totally great for Palestinians, you could try to explain all the ways things are bad for them which could take a long time, or point out that all major NGOs say they are. Israel is the government in the West Bank and Gaza but they dont give them voting rights, not will they allow a state. The entire system is designed to suppress the non-jews including inside of Israel proper where they werent allowed to vote until it was obvious they were in a state of perpetual decline relative to the Jewish majority in 67. Israel is a US military outpost, nothing more. None of the other shit matters
@@ArchesBro If Israel is the government of Gaza how exactly did Hamas get elected
@@Metaphix The US decided there would be an election. Hamas won in both the West Bank and Gaza. Israel arrested HUGE numbers of people during the election so it was obviously not democratic. After Hamas won, they were not allowed to govern as the majority, instead the US couped them in both territories. Hamas was arrested in West Bank and Hamas expelled PA in Gaza. This creates the split government result Israel was looking for so it can continue to take territory in the west bank, so Israel pulled its settlers from Gaza. The goal is pretty obvious, they want all of the west bank and an underclass of people that work for cheap and will boost the economy as slaves. What other reason would there be for the US to decide to run an election in Palestine but not allow Hamas to win? The US and Israel control everything in Greater Israel
Destiny did fantastic, the other side are just throwing insults and cheering for themselves while doing it. Strange people.
Strange indeed
Finklestein completed embarrassed himself, instead of addressing any points made by destiny he routinely belittled and name called him.
Destiny was also talking over. And he was tossing darts and missing with his googled points loo
Not really bro. Go back to r/destiny little man
Finkelstein addressed the points and Destiny just kept lying like a delusional Hasbara bot. Go google "four kids killed on beach". It's clear as day Destiny was ad nausium repeating IDF propaganda.
Destiny called him a grifter who didn't understand the Holocaust. You sure?
Destiny talks about International Law, yet he forgets that it is against International Law to remove or relocate existing citizens. 750,000 Palestinians removed in 1948 and 300,000 in 1967.
Excellence in these reports/discussions by BP. Keep ‘em coming.
Dog walked? lol dude was unhinged.
This is the most propaganda i have seen on this channel. Its obvious Norm couldnt respond and started name calling. Its a meme for goodness sake
This video was totally delusional, finklestein seriously embarrassed himself. Honestly destiny looked as knowledgeable as a dude that’s dedicated his whole life to this, and he didn’t even bave to resort to posturing and as homonym like norm did.
Wait people honestly thought norm looked good in this convo? That he conducted himself in a way anything close to resembling a serious academic?
He spent like an hour misrepresenting a book to its author's face, then couldn't even get Steven's name right while insulting his literacy.
Can you prove that he misrepresented "a" book to Morris? I'm sorry but Finkelstein wiped the floor with them both and yes, people caught on to that. It's sad you didn't. Perhaps you also hate reading books and citing sources? The fact he couldn't get Burnicelli's name right is a fantastic cherry on top because that's all that moron deserves.
Only looked good to those who watched with a strong bias already.
I'd recommend you go read that book. Norm's representation of it was very accurate. Here is the abstract of a review of this same book, published in the journal "Israel affairs". You can see it's completely inline with Norm's representation, only, ironically, coming from the complete opposite political side:
"The accusation that the Zionist movement had a pre-arranged plan to ‘transfer’ the Palestinian Arab population out of Palestine, and that this took place during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, has been a staple of Arab anti-Zionist propaganda for over half a century. In its most recent manifestation it has been an important argument of the group of Israeli historians - who labelled themselves ‘New Historians’ - who have championed the Arab cause. This article examines the accusations made by leading ‘New Historian’ Benny Morris regarding Zionist ‘Transfer Policy’ in his recently-published expanded version of The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem 1947-1949. It systematically shows how Morris has distorted the public and private positions of a number of leading Zionist leaders on the issue of ‘Transfer’ - from Theodor Herzl to Arthur Rupin and from Chaim Weizmann to David Ben-Gurion. It also places the issue of ‘Transfer’ in its correct historical context in order to underline that this concept, so central to the arguments of champions of the Arab cause, was never part of Zionist ideology or practical politics."
Now, the question is, why did you believe Norm was "misremembering" or "misrepresenting" his book? Benny made no good argument towards that, so you must have just been taking Benny's word, over the direct quotes Norm was presenting. Obviously that was a mistake.
@MassDefibrillator Good job, glad you know how to copy and paste.
I know Norm misrepresented the book because the author himself had to spend an hour making the same corrections in the conversation. Simply that
@@thenewms5333 That's very illogical. Benny has changed a lot since he wrote that book; he's in some kind of weird denial. It's illogical to take his word as the content of the book, when they are two very different things.
Destiny is like internet comments personified
Lol he wasnt the one throwing personal insults the whole time
@@bookerdewitt6346that’s probably because destiny has 0 respect for Palestinian life and loves to white wash Israel’s super fascist ministers
lol
And yet he was better than Norm. Who could only muster weak insults
Destiny is a cult leader among terminally online NEETs. Hes well trained.
Krystal giving destiny shit about a term in latin when destiny is the one saying he gets his shit from wiki? Krystal contradicts herself here multiple times on this point. Krystal and finklestein are the ones that are implying you need some scholar type of education to discuss this topic but also giving people shit who say this?? Haha its wild no one pulls her up on this, its the same sentence
Thank you Krystal.
"Mr vermicelli, quit noodling around" -not my quote but hilarious nonetheless
I call him “Zestiny” but I appreciate Norm’s style too 😂
Krystal says how Destiny didnt belong because he's a youtube and then proceeds to attack the most credentialed historian there (Benny Morris), from her RUclips platform.
You cant make this up
Rules for the and not for me!
Cope and seethe harder you npc normie
I can only imagine, these arguments took place during WWII.
Turns out....
If Destiny can defend Israel now he would have no problem taking the side of Nazi Germany back then, especially since they were violently anti communist, so Destiny would support them out of spite for the left. I am not even joking, transport destiny into late 1930s, erase his memory of what he knows about WW2, Nazis and Hitler and he would be supporting them
What these monsters are doing to Gaza is worse than what Hitler did.
“Sure you can find quotes from leaders and diary entries” butttttt like do you really even know??? 😂😂
Hilarious to see Destiny blather on for 5 minutes to make a (ridiculous) point that Mouin took less than 30 seconds to obliterate 😂
I think it’s been fairly clear since inception that international law at the highest global level is the law of the jungle, unfortunately.
Only someone that’s lived in total peace could say current international law is the law of the jungle. Periods like WW2 where international law has broken down have been FAR worse. There’s so much to criticize in our current moment, but don’t say things that reveal complete historical ignorance.
International law is for the ones who created it to begin with which are mostly the western countries, wake up@@atomicsmith
@@atomicsmithinternational law has and will always breakdown because it is only enforced on the weak whilst only a stain on the shirt of the powerful.
Certainly does when its most powerful members trash it. Yet without these norms being pushed we are screwed.
How could it be any other way? What is law if you can't enforce it?
Thank you Krystal
The real shocking part was just how callous, racist, and borderline fascistic Morris was. His argument ultimately boiled down purely to might makes right - in his view, the law doesnt matter, international organizations dont matter, morality doesnt matter, nothing matters except power.
I loved the part where Finklestein said he cares about the international law and applauded Houthis in the same breath.
Obviously you wouldn't know that Houthis have no casus belli to attack other nations and even if they did, it's against international law to target civilians, who are the only ones aboard the ships they sunk and taken hostage.
Hmmm wouldn't play the racist card too quickly especially with Finkelstein involved..... He called his immigrant neighbors Apes.. said he was going to throw them in a zoo with bananas and threatened to have them deported. Same guy who felt the Charlie hebdo people had it coming..... Had ties to Iran ...Yeah great guy you all worship
Mind Begs the Question:
- If Google/Amazon/Corporates
- Support and Aid a State
- Who engage in Starvation,Death Camps,Pogroms,Gassing/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc
- Pro Democracy or Pro Nazi?
You havnt realuzed that leftists motive is only power yet? FOR SHAME.
@@galileogalilei9297The Houthi’s are the only ones following international law by directly opposing a genocide campaign. Also, the Houthis haven’t killed anybody during their actions against cargo ships passing through the strait that have ties to Israeli and/or their cohorts. Comparing a country violating international law by committing apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and genocide vs a militant group that is actively trying to disrupt that country committing genocide is borderline retarded.
My guy Shaun from @Shaun_vids said it best: "You can't claim moral superiority when asking for support, but then moral equivalence to excuse your crimes."
Given the immorality of Shaun and his continually biased takes I wouldn't rely on him for any source of moral guidance. Also, they don't morally equivocate. Their position is embedded is thousands of years of oppression, it is existential from their perspective and for good reason given the charter of Hamas.
@@zarbins We doing charters now? Because Likud charter is just as genocidal including more countries... and mind you they are supposed to be part of the major governing body not a group of religious nutjobs like Hamas.
@@zarbins yes the perspective of the consummate victim
Ahh the forever victim @@zarbins
@@zarbinsPavlov's dog reaction to whenever called out for your crimes it seems. Getting boring and its pretty sick really.
Don’t think the headline is accurate
Wait you are saying we give more lenience to the democratic state than a terrorist organization. Also the court did not find that there is a plausible genocide but instead that the Palestine have the right to be protected against genocide and that South Africa can bring the case.
The same organization that created Israel in 1947 also created the WHO, ICC and the ICJ. South Africa’s charge was never expected to be successful. These things had been green lit and overseen by this organization since ever since 47. It was simply meant to draw attention to the severity of the situation. Why do you think no other Arab or Islamic nation has done the same?
Do yourself a favor, chuckle at Finklestein's behavior, but do it in private. You don't want people knowing you support it.
It feels like Krystal watched something totally different. The first half was mostly just Norm quoting out of context excerpts from Morris's book and then Morris correcting him with the broader context until Lex intervened. The 2nd half was basically Norm dodging or refusing to address any points raised by Steven and instead just resorted to ad homs (always a winning tactic) and getting his name wrong. Morris and Rabbani appeared to behave in good faith though. Norm is a joke.
Morris and Destiny were outright lying about the facts about Oct 7th , lol
Are you kidding me?
@@kensuke0 prove it, or run away ok.
@@sikkouvol.1996why did israel not investigate friendly fire on Oct 7? They said it was "bad for morale" 😂
I highly doubt Krystal watched it, and if she did she wasn't paying much attention
@@kensuke0 can you name one and provide sources?
Dog walked so hard that despite claiming that he read the ICJ report, he didn't know what dolus specialis is and told Destiny to shut up and called him a moron for pointing this out.
Destiny bot detected
When did he say or showed he didn't know? Can you provide a timestamp?
Based
@@rayleverkunstHe said at around 3 hours 18 minutes in the Fridman video that what Destiny was describing was "mens rea" (in a very smug fashion too) and then when Destiny points out the fact he tells him to shut up and calls him an imbecile.
Then Destiny said the 16 ICJ judges were wrong about the facts, lol
Not going to lie, this take was my breaking point with breaking points. It doesn’t matter if you know anything about the issue - just watch this analysis through the filter of the quality of arguments. Circular reasoning. Ad hominems. If you 100% agree with them and hope intelligent people are convinced they’re doing you a disservice with this style of argument.
Finkelstein dog walks Destiny?? 😂😂😂 The guy was unhinged, throwing out insults but not speaking to the substance of anything! What world are you living in?
I’m looking forward to Krystal’s conversation with Destiny
she will cry play victim
She won’t because then she would have to do research and not just complain about everything. I’m no destiny fan at all. But the dude at least tries to learn about subjects besides just what the tik tok opinion is.
She's not gonna do that, lol. Easier to smear him without examples.
@@megafanflash she’s Don Lemons new replacement…
After she saw Destiny “Dog Walk” her employee Ryan the other day, this was her chance to take a shot at him without chance of him directly replying to her.
😂 the NY post style headline immediately tells me a Krystal segment.
Krystal going wild lately, she has to periodically bring in Kyle to make her seem less nuts.
@@stampera hahaha thats so true
I can’t imagine them using language like this 2 years ago, it’s such a blow to any credibility or any charity someone who disagrees with either Saagar or Krystal might otherwise be willing to extend
I thought breaking points was supposed to be balanced, this is whack
“Maybe you need to spend more time on TikTok where you might get actually information “ OMG enough said!!!
So, one comment by Krystal Ball somehow nullifies this entire video that is rightfully calling out Destiny and Morris's BS?
Sounds like you just want to bash Crystal Ball.
@@justinkosuk3458 No but it is pretty telling when she brings forth tiktok as a reputable source of information. Doesnt mean she has to be wrong, does raise suspiciouns thhough
Funny how they decided to ban TikTok during the conflict. Wonder if it had to do with all the videos showing the atrocities committed by the IDF. Did you see the ones the soldiers posted of themselves. Hilarious, right?
@@justinkosuk3458she aint gonna let you fuck🙏
@@senatordodo4240 What video site would u suggest?
How can you be at war with your prisoners?
Guess they are not prisoners then.
They aren’t prisoners
@@PatrickOMulligan no friend, you mistakenly took the opposite perspective from that question than you were logically supposed to!
It’s called siege warfare
@@Grizzalslice Grow up, you don't live in the middle ages. Its called genocide. If you want to play games the attacks by Hamas were perfectly legal in international law because an occupier has no right under international law to defend itself from the people it's occupied. It wasn't the Jews country to start with, it belonged to someone else, people who've lived there for millenia.
I'm sure destiny won't mind signing half his house away to me after I move into it against his will...
He doesn't own a house. Says he's saving up for one tho.
He responded to this already.
He said he would absolutely protect his home with deadly force of this was tried.
However, he doesn’t believe this applicable to Israel Palestine because that happened such a long time ago.
So a better analogy would be…
How would you react if someone stole 50% of your great great grandfather’s home? Would you use deadly force on the thieves great great grandchildren even though their great great grandchildren had nothing to do with the thievery?
Destiny doesn't own a house. Just like the palestinians don't and never have owned a state. So go ahead and do it lmao
He won't mind if you take 30%of his wife tho
@@tonycaballero1494 if you know, you know...
I always love listening to Finkelstein. The man is an encyclopedia of knowledge on the Middle East relations.
Did we watch the same thing? How do you get these interpretations?
Lol, I bet you can’t give an example 😂. Blissful ignorance.
@@insidiousantimason2025 two words: dolus specialis
Not sure what you mean by dogwalking. Finkelstein was unhinged and engaged in insults more than anything else. Don't forget guys, the dude reads books and doesn't get his information from machines.
Norm lead Destiny by the nose, lol
I'm sorry what? NF behaved like a child throughout and utterly failed in his attempts to mud-sling and discredit SB (aka. Destiny). NF's partner MMR did a significantly better job putting their side of the argument. NF was by far the most embarrassing person there. SB also did a surprisingly good job of giving the other side points that they repeatedly failed to contend with, showing them up as remarkably ignorant in some cases. That's not to say that it was a one-sided argument, in either direction - it absolutely wasn't. But the characterisation that KB gives here is criminally disappointing and counter-factual. I can only assume that she either didn't watch it herself, or is deliberately misrepresenting what took place. I would strongly advise people to go and watch it themselves.
Krystal routinely cannot see past her bias
MORRIS IS not embarrassing? That buffoon said international law has no use and say! Israel can just ignore it ! And lied about Oct 7th ! He insisted there's no genocide! He lost all credibility and I despise everything he had to say!
The fact this stuff that is so obvious is debated is baffling to me like wtf are we doing?
Tells you everything about the media that no "news" network will let Norm on the air. They know he exposes Israel to anyone who listens to Norm with an open mind.
Nothing about this conflict is as simple as you would like it to be
@@StonedEmoKid it is pretty easy especially when you know the history
@@OfficialDenzy I've read the history. Islamic and Christian Fundamentalists treated an entire race as second class citizens. Those people decided independence was the only answer and legally purchased land from a group of people that would never recognize their independence.
Their capital was then sieged as Palestinians tried to starve them out, and it was then that Palestinian villages with known belligerents were depleted.
When you *actually* read the history, and not just hear only the parts where only one group suffered, it becomes complicated.
@@StonedEmoKid Nice fairy tale. So if Iranians bought 6% of the land in the United States, they would gain the right to claim all of the US and found an islamic theocracy there?
And if the current US citizens fought back, they would be evil terrorists and deserve instant death or any form of humiliation?
Dolus Specialis isnt some obscure legal terminology... IT IS *THE* STANDARD REQUIRED FOR SOMETHING TO BE A GENOCIDE.
In the case of genocide it literally just means intent. Your misunderstanding is so embarrassing.
Destiny is one of those white nationalist manlets that thinks Latin makes everything special
Lots of people Googling this term and becoming experts over the past day or two.
@@Brewmaster757 Misunderstanding? Where? I don't think he's the one that should be embarrassed.
@@Brewmaster757it means the special intent, which would be equivalent to the standard. If you meet the special intent required then you've met the standard.
"You couldn't find it on Wikipedia!” 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀. OMG I'm dead. Norm Finklestein, I thought you were AGAINST slavery, yet here you CLEARLY OWN Destiny. Curious.
But the Geneva convention is on Wikipedia and it matches the UN website…
Krystal: “calm down with the citations destiny, you’re with hallowed historians who know what they are talking about”
Norm every time : “Mr Botacelli, I read the book!”
Everyone at the table: “that’s not what was meant in the book”
No he didn’t. He just reads Wikipedia
@@Mogorman87 it's funny to accuse destiny of using wikipedia as a starting point for research when Krystal, in complete sincerity, recommended tiktok for research lmao
@@Mogorman87Hamas apologist spotted.
Im sure Norm understood the material he was citing.
@@Mogorman87 sorry but Benny backed up Destiny almost everytime...
Hamas uses human shields please please address that point
Hmmm, no the don’t
No report from HRW Amnesty Btselem or UN say they do, whereas ALL say IDF does. Destiny knows this but apparently he also has better knowledge of legal definitions.
If Krystal Ball is confident about her thorough knowledge on this subject just get Douglas Murray on your show.
If this is a New Right vs New Left channel. Just get Douglas Murray vs Krystal Ball.
Living in the US, the government has no right to take my home & land, & give it to someone else, let alone another country allowing someone to have my property
None of you would let them take your home and land a give it to the indigenous people.
@@cazza6944 False equivalency which proves my point. By your logic, Palestinians shouldn't have given their land back to the people claiming they were indigenous, ie their current occupiers
If the US OWNED the land you lived on, yes, they have a right to kick you out. The British owned that land and gave it to the jews.
@bobbyd6040 Holy moly the first pro Palestinian I've seen who is saying the Palestinians aren't indigenous lmfao what a rare sight
@@noahgeorge5583 I'm going by the position you're taking. You can't claim to be indigenous & then not indigenous based on how it suits you. I'm demonstrating how your argument collapses in on itself, but it went right over your head
Actually stunning to me she could convince herself fink did good at all
Scholar is a strong word for someone that writes opinion pieces
destiny is the real scholar. he is so genius and smart. and i am smart for listening to him.
@@craigash189 Nah, Destiny is a random moron streamer which makes this 10x more embarrassing for Norm.
I can't take a guy who goes by "Destiny" that seriously. Was "Galactus" already taken?
how old are you?
LMFAO 😂
Listened to most of it. Seemed like Norm just insulted or dismissed destiny the whole time. Dog walked seems like a stretch.
Cope bot
@@jfinity_362bot spotted.
Agreed
@@jfinity_362 actually most comments agree with this one. Looks more like Krystal is in cope mode
Destiny showed more ignorant behavior throughout the argument. Like literally he would just ignore their information as if they had not just provided up to dates to his face. Clearly the three elder gentlemen who made this their entire career had little respect for a RUclipsr not knowing what he’s talking about. Especially grating I found his not so subtle accusation that they’re grifters, because everyone knows they’re rolling in money for supporting Palestine their entire careers, and haven’t been blacklisted and shut out by mainstream academia
Norm: I read the case 4 times!!
Destiny: so you know about dolus specialis then?
Norm: F you!!
It was mentioned many times in the case and not in passing, it mentioned it was the thing needed for the case to even have merit. How, how did neither of them know this? The whole 5hrs Norm yelled/qouted without speaking. His partner was actually really good and brought up good points while Norm sneered in the corner. After that it is hard to take you seriously Krystal when you use Norm in this way....
Rabbani only seemed "good", because of the incredible contrast when seated next to Norm. A rabid fox would appear sane sitting next to Finklestein.
Norm was not his best here, but Norm got kind of done dirty by Lex as he would let Benny get as amped up as he wants and never call him out when Norm calls him on a lie yet when Norm is pissed at the false assertions, Lex just pretends like it is a 50/50 and Norm is breaking decorum by not just letting lies be said repeatedly.
Lol this kid is a Destiny fan boy parroting Destiny's misconceptions about legal terms. All the stans kept repeating this on Twitter.
@@vampiregoth9doesn't it give you pause that norm didn't know the term despite reading the report 4 times? How do you process that?
Still coping eh?
If only there was a lying Olympics......
I watched the entire painful/educational interview. Norm is highly intelligent no doubt. But his rudeness and demeaning was very off putting. I don’t know who Destiny is btw.
If you’re gonna go with a crazy title like that then get Destiny on the show and talk to him about it.
Awwwwwww someones mad their E-Daddy is looking inferior
@@ChiliSkwertzget a life
Cope
Get some help. Streamer cultists need to go outside
Agreed I can’t believe this from Krystal like it’s a six hour interview and destiny and Benny are completely in the wrong on everything? Really that’s how she’s portraying it… every time Norm spoke he would “some professor or author never actually said anything of his own multiple times he would quote Benny from Benny‘s book and then Benny would say no that’s not what I meant and he would just continue ignoring the author he’s quoting right in front of him
I watched the whole thing and didn't think anybody dog walked anybody, honestly. It's the same arguments on the subject that have been being argued for like 50 years.
It’s easy don’t steal peoples land😂figured it out
@@hexlemorte5201we need to send you to the middle east
Is colonialism wrong? Real hot topic! If you haven't figured the answer to that out yet, you should probably just give up
Nah. Team Palestine clearly won. Destiny completely out of his depth.
@@tahlghitter-kalsi7057 Not really. You're just picking a team based on political bias like every other loser on the internet.
Anyone familiar with this subject has heard every single one of those points like 10 thousand times over. The whole thing was meh.
Even the Pope has condemned Israel.