KICKED-OUT for flying a Drone - (TWO Drone Confrontations) - KEN HERON
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2018
- Your pal Ken got run off from the Wild --------- Distillery in Kentucky.
After receiving filming permission from a manager, it was revoked when another representative found that our flying camera triggered her disdain for anything fun. Despite the fact that the distillery wasn't being filmed, we were asked to leave. And so we did.
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I’ve found that wearing my hi-vis vest that says “FAA Licensed Commercial Drone Pilot, Do Not Disturb”, keeps those that are ignorant of the Law, or busy-bodies, from confronting me.
That's a good plan.
Pure genius! I am betting that 90+ percent of the general public as well as many enforcement officers would just let you do what you are doing. As the saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull _ _ _ t!" Again, pure genius! I would love to here how many times it has gotten you by.
Its my understanding that its FAA Certified, not licensed.
@@livinthedream8117 it is technically a FAA Pilot’s License (UAS), according to the FAA testing center where I took my test.
@@abennett2783 that seems unusual. Can you share a link? I looked at all the information from the psi testing center I took the test at couple weeks back and there is no mention of the word license on there. Obviously someone errored in using that term at your testing center. FAA does not issue licenses of any sort to pilots to fly in US airspace, they certify.
Biggest lesson of the video: When you get permission to fly from private property, get the name of the person who gave you that permission. Without a name, they probably assumed you were bullshitting them. If it was casual permission from some rando behind a counter, expect to be booted by a higher authority.
Truth!!
Hello Ken, I work for the FAA and I fly drones. One of the biggest misconceptions out there is people thinking that their property lines extend straight up into the air space. If that were true many 747’s would not be able to get in and out of airports. You could encounter restricted air space, although that is usually near airports. Drones have such a long range these days that you can find a place off property to launch and retrieve you drone.
One can launch from public property, unless it is restricted!
The place is apparently called the Wild Turkey Distillery if anyone was wondering about the bleeps.
Oh, yeah, that's definitely the Wild Turkey Visitor Center, apparently sometimes called the Cathedral of Bourbon.
iN A dry COUNTY NON THE LESS! wHAT HYOCHRITES!
Maybe send them the FAA rules so they can learn ;)
😂😂😂
The first time wild was bleeped out then turkey was bleeped out. Just a nice way of saying F*** wild turkey, nasty tasting crap anyway.
I love how as she was telling you to come back and you acted like you were trying to get around the bridge you were sneaking more shots
Haaa!
Noticed that did you?
That was great 😊
That’s exactly why we are going to have more rules for drones, could took the high route. Bring your drone back , you’re on their territory! Could all been cleared up then and there. Just show her/tell her what lady it was, jeesh they have jobs too sir.
Lmao, I noticed that too. He was navigating around for good composition...
It's amazing how the general public approach drone pilots with such confidence and (presumed) knowledge of the laws
And is why I stopped flying GPS platform drones. I dont have ANY patience for ignorance and I no my temper will usually get the best of me and I certainly no what I'm capable of....😡🤬☠
I only fly fixedwing now on OUR 120 acre farm. Screw everyone!!
Especially when they cannot even get the name of the FAA right despite trying two times :D
We better be careful flying drones or someone's gonna report us to the FCC, or maybe the FDA!
@@simonblanck8637,
ROTFLMAO!
@@LawnBunny777 ,
They might even call their brother-in-Law who's in the CIA.
At least you got a good shot of the bridge 😂😂😂
HAA!! --That's all I wanted to do, but then the distillery got up in my grill.
always satisfying getting your footage despite the law telling you to leave
Because:
RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!
This is exactly why I always try to fly stealth. When I fly usually nobody can see me, I'm all alone, possibly in the bushes, maybe a mile away from the POI. Yes, it may not be as convenient, but I never get hassled. I also DON'T carry around hard cases that look suspicious, like a BOMB. I just have my backpack, as if I'm hiking, and I don't use a backpack with a drone logo sewn on. STEALTH! The goggles are a give away and folks start to get paranoid with that funny looking contraption on your head. People don't like unfamiliar suspicious things, they'll kick you out, regardless if you're within the law. Unfortunately it appeared you got permission from someone with no authority, that may be fired now.
The woman who gave us permission was a manager. She just happened to be in the gift shop when I approached her. I'm not good at remembering names, especially when I'm concentrating on not crashing a drone into a very high bridge.
This is the first time in almost 5 years flying that I've been kicked out of a location.
Thank you for commenting!
@@KenHeron This guy just admitted to breaking at least 3-4 FAA regulations and you're thanking him for the comment.
Only reading one reg that he says he breaks Eviktion! And I bet you've never flown out of your eye sight right!!!! Come on man. Ken does it right though imo. He asked and got permission and the rest was BS!
Yes, Ken was right, I'm not saying he did anything wrong, but there was a lesson learned, he didn't get the lady's name. I'm only suggesting ways to avoid this kind of situation, regardless. People are ignorant and paranoid about drones. If they can't see you flying, they can't interrupt your flight, regardless if you, or they, are right or wrong. I too typically fly within the FAA guidelines like Ken, but occasionally I'll wander BVLOS, like most flying DJI. Flying stealth simply prevents confrontation. It's not always possible to fly stealth, but doing your best to be hard to find has it's virtues. Flying from inside the car is a good option, and comfortable.
Wow, this one really brings out the misinformation crowd.
I feel your frustrations! I also had someone try to tell me to quit flying over their property as I was flying an orbit pattern around some Real Estate during a Real Estate shoot in a neighborhood. The neighbor walked over to me and said that he was going to shoot my UAV out of the air if I fly over his property anymore. I tried to explain that Class G airspace is to be treated as a public highway system in the air but he still continued to say he was going to shoot it down. I then told him if he shoots it out of the air that would create a very unsafe and potential hazard as there is no way of knowing where my UAV would fall and could hurt someone or damage property. He called the cops on me and the officer that showed up was there for maybe 3 minutes and cleared me to continue to fly as I was flying 100% legally.
JRC Aerial I would have spiked his tyres once he got out of sight.
JRC Aerial the only people that care about drones flying over their property are people that are doing illegal things. But If a drone is hovering over someone’s house for 20 minutes at a time then that house owner should get suspicious, because then the drone operator is probably up to no good and trying to find out what’s in the yard and how to get in the house!
Fly over my property and I won't say nothing to you I'll just shoot it down
@@chuckp3335 Google the penalties for shooting at or shooting down any kind of aircraft. FEDERAL OFFENSE
@@eriklindblom8611 I really don't care about what the law is. Do something I don't like on my land and you pay the consequences simple as that.
NEVER FLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY! Find a public road right next to it🤣🤣🤣🤣
GENIUS
They had the ultimate trump card with it being private property. Regardless of their misinformed and uneducated reasoning. They can make you leave for any reason.
Is it? If you have "Private property" that is "Open to the Public", I would think that you would fall under different rules and cannot just say someone is trespassing and needs to leave or violating rules that are not posted.
Unless of course you work for Bernie Sandars and can kick out conservative reporters from Public speaking events in a Public School.
@@Sky1 that would be incorrect. Open to the public doesn't mean you can't trespass. The law allows business to treapass persons and refuse persons access to their business/refuse service.
They could hassle him from taking off and landing on private property. But had he taken off even a few feet outside their property, outside the fence, and flown in..he would've been fine depending on the class of airspace. If it's Class G, he would be well within his legal rights. A lot of people don't know that private property doesn't extend to private airspace as well.
but as far as Ken knew to start with he got permission he did leave after the woman came out and asked him to, but her and the security guard were telling him rules that were wrong and he was only trying to correct and educate them but they wanted no part of that.
*"Permission from FCC" - LMFAO!!!*
Sir you need Per um permanission from the FCC 😂😂🤣
LOL!!!!
He REALLY needs to educate himself.
FAA is for aircraft, FCC deals with wireless communications
People are generally ignorant idiots who get off on saying NO. I try to fly where I cant be seen. I get a lot less aggro that way,. I am glad you stood up to them.
Thanks.
Did you know that the toothbrush was invented in Kentucky?
How do I know this?
If it were invented anywhere else it would be called a teethbrush.
🤣👌
That's one of the funniest jokes I've ever heard.
i dont get it
@@johnbrowning3986 One Tooth
I swear man this is the exact reason I hate rules and regulations when it comes to innocent things like flying drones. Just let people have fun. If they aren't hurting themselves or anyone else or putting anyone in immediate danger, just let them do their thing. I have had many encounters with people like this and people that have behaved WAY worse than this and every time it's just mentally exhausting. Like you said, kill em with kindness.
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Does that man have the right to stand on your property? No. You don't have any right to stand on his, either.
I agree man. They make everything so damn hard to enjoy it's almost not even worth trying
Yeah I agree there needs to be some rules though as if not someone could fly there drones into airports or planes landing or taking off. If your out in countryside and away from those hazards it should be more relaxed and less rules if any on place it’s not hurting anyone a drone flying, just ignorant security or neighbours who spoil the fun
I know what she meant, the FFA. You know Future Farmers of America....not FCC.
Haaa!!!
Somehow I feel like that's closer than the FCC, haha.
Can someone point me in the direction of flying over a fenced in area that is vacant. Thank you
Hey Ken I have a question. I wanted to fly over the Natchez Trace Pkwy Bridge but saw no drone signs. Can you please explain why? Thank you.
KEN you seriously need your own cable T.V. show!!! I laugh at your editing antics and stunts yet very very informative and tutorial-ish vids. Another "last Man Standing" in the works. Thx for making me laugh and keep on keeping on. Our entire family enjoys your work and THAT'S rare !
From my former life filming network News and documentaries, This reminds us how important it is to document everything in writing as to who you talk to, when you talk to them and what they said
Jim Ellison and also to get proper permission....not from the gift store cashier. This guy is a amateur
CORRECT ... and in the video - Ken clearly says ... Girl in the Shop ... but in comment for the Video - claims it was a manager .... ?? Judging by the womans comments in the video - seems Ken spoke to the Counter Girl !!
@@solentlifeuk It actually doesn't matter. Anyone in the property can give or withhold information. Going to a proper corporate office would have made more sense, but going to the random cashier at the counter isn't inherently wrong. Reason being that a lot of organizations don't keep management on hand all the time, and a regular cashier can and is sometimes the captain of the ship while they're on duty. The distillery I worked in was like that. The only management we had on board was the master distiller, and he was only there half the day. If Ken had been there and asked permission of me during my cashier job, I'd be the only potential permission he would have gotten, and in court it would fly as if I were CEO.
@@WoodyONeal : The drone sounds like a tool. See what happen if some kid fly drones from his driveway and start filming four corners of his house, inside his back yard with his kids playing. Sure the attitude will change very quickly.
what if kens a lawyer ?
The problem is that every time I lay claim to the air above my property up to 500', (Physically), it moves on to somewhere else and new air moves in.
@Modern Woodsman Nevada, no weapons on drones. Are they serious? Area 51, American military test grounds. Kinda hypocritical.
Hey @Ken Heron - if I message/have a question for you what is the best place to ask? Its regarding the Cape Cod Canal.
kenheronupload@gmail.com
Hes a security guard, you know life didnt pan out the way he thought.
How do you know?
@@DanielStPierre issa joke. Coz nobody start out in their childhood saying "i want to be a security guard when i grow up"
@@RidiFPV and you know this, that NO BODY EVER grew up wanting to be a security guard?
I have been blessed to work security with my daughters at one of the largest air shows in the nation, and I have to tell you mister, the people whose lives we saved seemed to be quite grateful at the time...
It's clear that YOU need to educate yourself. Do you even have a job? Doubtful... :(
@@DanielStPierre glad you enjoy your work. Yes, im a licensed drone pilot.
@@RidiFPV how many people work in the jobs they dreamed of as a kid? Not many, maybe 10% if that many.
Congrats your a licensed drone pilot. Just like many waychongvthe video. Not that special.
I guess next time you will get permission from the FCC won’t you...😂🤣🤣
You caught that too? I was thinking "FCC" ? There is nothing worse in this world as an uniformed person that thinks that they are informed. CLOMP CLOMP thought she "HAD HIM!
Mark Rogers 😂🤣😂🤣👍🏽
Haaaaa!!!
Mark Rogers lol even I know it's the FAA, and I live in England, wot a dork.
@@jibbajabba4597 lol right? But they claim not to need to be educated! They sleep better at night knowing they saved the Wild]} ™>>} distillary from the mean ol drone pilot. She's probably already thinking Christmas bonus! Reminds me of my aunts chihuahua who is mean as heck. He thinks he's a the boss but the only reason we tolerate him is because we love Aunt Tizzy.
I was chased out of a mall a few years ago for photographing their interior architecture. Owning private property, they were within their rights to say what can be done there. But it was just so pointless. There were no privacy rights at issue, as people have no reasonable expectation of privacy while in public. There was no danger to, nor any diminishment of, the property. A couple of years earlier, I was threatened with arrest while trying to photograph a cooling tower at a nuclear power plant. There are hundreds of such pictures publicly available.
1) owners are often unreasonably protective of their property
2) owners are often suspicious of photographers, drones or no drones
3) rent-a-cops delight in exerting power and authority.
I was looking at buying a house, and photographed the inside of a model home and security escorted me out about a minute later. They thought I was trying to steal their staging ideas for a competitor. I was just photographing it to help me keep all the houses straight. Needless to say we bought elsewhere.
Funny. I photographed all the houses I looked at before buying mine. Such a natural thing to do.
I completely agree!
Sir, you need permission from the DOD, CIA, and my great grandfather to fly in this airspace. But first you have to make sure his permission counts because my great grandma calls the shots.
Gerald Gilmore also you need to talk to my grandaddy he’s dead
Ken, what program do you use to edit your Video's with? Do you mind Sharing?
Hey Boss!
I use Adobe Premiere Pro.
Link in the description. 👍
Ken, long time fan, first time writer. Agreed, no issue flying over the trestle. And, if you did receive permission from a landowner's employee to use their property as a take-off point, assuming they have the authority to grant that permission, then you should be fine there, too.
However, you would be in the wrong if you are on private property without permission, or if you remain if permission has been revoked. (Having permission and just not getting caught are not the same thing!) It appears that in your case you acted in good faith with permission. And, when it was later revoked, you complied in good faith. You are also correct regarding someone else not being able to "retain" your property.
Where it gets dicey is that, all things being equal, you are not entitled to enter someone else's property without permission in order to retrieve your property. (Think Dennis the Menace's ball in Mr. Wilson's yard!) So, the conundrum: you can't get to it, and they can't keep it ... which is why we have authorities to address those situations. (Car 64 where are you?)
But, there are things that can mitigate that. Such as if the private property owner creates an invitee situation ... like, say, a gift shop during its open hours. Property law is complicated. And, as someone who has heard every excuse for trespassing, I would simply encourage folks to err on the side of the conservative to make the extra effort to respect private property rights. (And, when you get permission, make sure you get that person's name!)
All that said, I love the various sites you fly ... very cool! (And, do more train stuff!)
My issue was that we weren't "trespassing" until the drone was in the air. Whoever grants permission should know their company's policy on the subject and if they're able to do so. The person I approached about flying was a manager.
More train stuff... Coming up@
Well said. Retired Kentucky Cop here. Your situation happens quite often and people are woefully uneducated as to private, public and business trespassing/privacy issues. Many call for service over the years over the silliest interpretations of mine versus yours and fence line of sight blah blah blah blah.....
Many thanks, "Louisville," for your comment. Though, I'm embarrassed to say that I did make a significant error in my post. The reference to the classic 50s TV show should have been "Car 54 ..." not "Car 64 ..." My inept typing finger hit the wrong digit, and I apologize on its behalf!
Ken Heron I think he’s referencing the hypothetical situation brought up by the security guard regarding losing your drone. If you lost your drone over their property it wouldn’t be theft. Sure, the drone still belongs to you, but if you tried to recover your drone without permission then it would be trespassing. Just because the drone belongs to you does not give you the right to recover it.
That manager cannot dictate what someone cannot "trespass" onto the property to retrieve anything. In order for that to be a legal situation, the manager (or whomever) would need to contact the local law enforcement authorities and they would give the drone operator a "no trespass" order.
It's different when say, someone crash lands on my property and I tell them to hit the bricks. I don't need a police officer to tell them to leave and not come back, as I am the property owner and my property is not open to the public, the way that distillery is.
I just had a guy drive onto my property and wreck into my ditch because he was exceeding the speed limit on a sheet of ice. He lost the entire front fascia off his car and left, then he came back later, got crappy and demanded that I give him his parts back, which made me laugh. I had the fascia in my garage, right in front of him, but I told him to get the hell off my property and not return, he was not getting the parts back. He called the police, they came out, I told them no too, they agreed that he was not entitled to the parts because he had trespassed onto my property, then gave him a "no trespass" order. It might sound like I'm a jerk, but people slide onto my property all the time because they cannot drive in the snow/ice, so I've become a bit of a hardass because of the repairs that I have to do ever springtime.
Not captured on video was our slow roll off the property in Adventure Mobile 4, with the security guard following us at a safe distance in Security Truck 1 - all the way to the highway.
Oh yeah!
He totally followed us! HAHAHAA!!
Oh wow thanks for sharing that with us.
I would have loved to see that :)
Bahahahaha!!!,🤣😂
I would have stopped and started flying from public land lol
Ken glad you showed this video. Great educational tool.
Probably drunk! lol loved that! That turkey got educated fo sure! Keep up the good work Ken.
Yeah! Just because you work for Wild Turkey, don't mean you gotta act like one!
i love how u can still film perfectly whilst getting an ear load of the woman haha
Wat?
This is what happens when you don't wear your lucky FAA vest Ken...
True. So true.
Andy Repp I don’t know where Ken got his vest, I got the same one XXL, for a Chinese kid maybe! Lol
Interesting, I had just the opposite result. I ordered XXL, and I could have fit two of me in it. I do love the vest though, as it gives me a little more credibility when flying commercially. My visual observer has the "crew" vest, and has boldly asked people to please refrain from talking to me while I'm flying. I also keep my license and NCDOT permit (yes, we need that in NC as well) on a lanyard around my neck.
If he ever tries to go back here maybe he needs a special FCC vest...
@@punchdrunkatheist
Hahaahaa lol
"FCC license as the girl said in the video"
So if my neighbor drops something on my property what do I do if it's not then my property? I don't want them on my property to remove said item(s) and I don't want to trouble myself with the task of retrieval. Is there any difference between a drone, a baseball, leaves, or rotten fruit?
Do you have a bomb drop device on your drone?
Way to go Ken! Always getting into mischief, LOL. Hey at least he didn't taze you! Keep up the good work! Thanks
Don't taze me bro!! ⚡
Is Kentucky a single party consent state? If so you can record them with any device you are able to use.
I believe so.
What's interesting with state "consent" laws is that as a "citizen journalist" you have a court tested right to (video/audio) record something that is news worthy. Getting consent from a third party who is (let's say) breaking the law - against you or someone else - would be nonsense.
Also, here in NYS the use of a video (or still) camera in a public space is not a violation of law. The exception would be if you are recording a person without consent with the goal of making money from the recording of that person. But there again, if you think about TV news, they do not have to get consent from people who are video recorded during a riot or demonstration, but they do make money as a news organization. Once again, the rights of the press come into play.
Hey gays thats for the video, am Brian from Uganda i would like to buy drones & cameras from u, but how can i connect to u & where are u & how can get them? and where there are used or not thanks
where is this bridge at?
Glad to see you KENtrolled yourself in that instance, Ken.
Thanks!
womp womp
I'm going to have to ask you to leave the internet for the rest of the day.
He don’t need no edumacation
HAAA!!! Indeed.
hot daaaaamn!!!!
Really says it all doesn't it.
He needs sum of them modurn EDUCASHON
Is it because hes just another brick in the wall?😂
5:12 where did you pull that information from! I'd love to see if there is a central space for Georgia with drone laws!
Hi Ken, for drone weight 249 grams this does need certification is that correct.
It's good practice to register all drones.
faadronezone.faa.gov/#/
Hi Ken, I am wondering if they determined that, where 'you' were standing, was their private property, not necessarily what you were taking pictures of. My understanding is that you can fly over private property without permission as long as you remain physically either on public or owner approved property.
It's interesting as I've asked to fly my Drone at a privately owned cider mill and I just asked a worker. I wonder if I should have captured the information or get a signed release? I'm kidding on the signed release but it does offer an interesting dilemma.
On the Lost Drone on Private Property - I've always wondered that. Do you know if there are any court cases where someone filed to get their drone back? I've never personally looked this up but it might be a good thing to have in our back pocket to resolve if this ever happens.
pauldanis I believe if it is a manned aircraft the same applies. They can’t keep it.
I was flying today up in the hills on a public footpath but had good visibility along the path both ways so could easily land before anyone got to within 50m of where I was stationed (UK laws says you cant fly within 50M of people and property.)
I saw a guy approaching so landed and shut down the drone as I always do I could sense that this guy was going to talk to me, he started asking me questions about flying and I could tell he was trying to catch me out, fortunately I always fly within the law and responsibly and he asked me about how high I was flying and so I told him that I was at 55m AGL and adjusting my height for flying over the valley area to maintain a height within the ceiling being 122m (400ft AGL) he soon realized that he knew $%&^ all about the law and just stopped talking mid sentence and walked away. Snowflakes really hate it when you know the law and they dont. Usually though I have very pleasant interactions and will always let people have a good up close look at the drone and have a chat about it, but you never know till they open their mouths how its going to go down
Nice!
You knowledged the crap out of him!
Leggework been in the same situation myself down south, tons and tons of people don't understand the law and think you are spying on them, usually I let them see the screen so they see themselves as ants, then ask them to move away at least 30 meters so I can land within the law and if they refuse, I will have to call the police, they usually move fairly fast and fairly embarrassed once they realise they are not that important.
Great restraint Ken. It’s really sad when dealing with an uneducated public.
Hey Bud, so long as your drone is 50m away, you don't have to land, but its totally awesome that you do just to be nice :-)
@@RichardWraith yeah I just like to be totally engaged with people rather then having to keep my eyes on the drone I find I get a more enjoyable interaction with non-droners that
way
hey ken not sure if you did a review on the evolve x drone if not can you please
I'm looking into it!
@@KenHeron next time this happens use your phone record them unknowingly so you have something to back it up im not sure what your laws are ken
Ken hey my friend just wanted to say I love watching your videos. I wanted to ask you a question. I’m considering buying a drone either the mavic air or the phantom 3 pro or phantom 4. I’m on the fence and just can’t decide lol. I want to primarily use it for my lawn care work to show off my work. I like the mavic air simply because it’s smaller and more compact but I know that the phantom probably does better for video quality. Which one is easier to fly? Im new at this so I need the more easier one to fly as well. Thanks so much and continue to keep up the good work!!
The Phantoms are easier to fly in my opinion. Thanks buddy!
Thanks Ken, for providing a very instructive video of what can happen!
I swear, it's AMAZING how people get SOOOO hot and bothered over a freakin drone that isn't bothering ANYBODY! I honestly think there's something about someone flying a drone that intimidates certain people and those people want to exhort whatever power they think they have to get you to stop. They come at you with "you don't have permission and you're breaking the law" and feel they have power over you which helps them feel less intimidated.
I mean, if you crash on someone's property, they are under no obligation to allow you on to their property to retrieve it.
thanks i love trains and old railroad bridges thanks for sharing
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Classic case of someone who knows nothing about drones that thinks they know everything about drones lol...great video Ken!
The female knew she knew nothing. She just pretended to be "a pro" "playing hard" "playing a authority" or what you want to call it. But she was nice enough not to call the police though. But so unprofessional that the girl lied about giving permission after realising she would get in trouble admitting it.
Ken, I agree. You weren’t trespassing until permission was rescinded. Just as permission can be quickly granted it can be quickly reversed. I have experienced similar over the years. Although frustrating, I haven’t found a better solution that a friendly goodbye. In my experience, attempts to educate at that moment only cause more issues.
You can’t educate the uneducable so your right to just better to pack up and leave.
It's usually the low-level wanna be cops security guards who like to flex and puff their chests and bark orders. Or Karens of course
People like Heron give drone pilots a bad name.
What happend to your inspire 2 ?
The mistake you made was not getting the name of the person who said it was ok to fly from the property ? maybe worth getting and taking pre printed authorization and get a signature next time some one says it is ok . might help if it happens again. they could have been nicer about it all though .
I completely agree. The lady who came out to talk didn't seem to think they had permission to do what they were doing. When asked who told them it was ok, "She's inside" isn't exactly convincing evidence they really did speak to anyone. If you don't have or remember the person's name at least try to describe them and where you spoke with them. I realize it was eventually revealed it was someone in the gift shop but after only saying she's inside multiple times when asked who gave the permission. To be honest if I was asking who they got permission from and the only answer I could get was she's inside I would probably at the very least wonder if they had spoken to anyone at all.
It was a good video though and aside from not telling the lady who they got permission from they handled the situation very well. They made it clear they knew the laws concerning what they were doing and left when asked to do so.
They tried the nice way i thought. He just wanted to argue bc he wasnt getting his way. He deserved what he got!!!
@uptowndisco2 he wasn't trying to get her in trouble, the way she was asking definitely seemed like there was an objective. What's the point in getting kicked out and someone losing their job for something that simple?
I disagree, even if you ask permission you will always have a person who wants to take the authority and show that is the boss, regardless who spoke to and got permission from. The best thing to do is fly in a place where no one can see you and try to avoid this situation. There are many people out there that are very ignorant.
Had similar interactions myself.. you have handled it well
Much appreciated.
Was that when you were flying a field over and someone said you were trying to film the kids playing soccer?
@@ugpfpv361 yep... But the police ended up straightening them out :)
Had a cop stop one day with an attitude. All was being done legally. He had no knowledge of drone law. I finally just looked at him and asked, "Wanna try flying it?" His demeanor completely changed and we spent the next 30 minutes letting him have fun with it as I showed him what to do. We parted ways happily. Be nice!
Now that we are in 2020, does the point you made at 8:07 in the video still applicable?
Yes.
As a federally licensed aircraft, if you have a malfunction you may indeed land on private property legally without permission and retrieve your aircraft. A drone experiencing a forced landing due to mechanical trouble is no different under the law than a helicopter or plane needing to make an emergency landing.
Yes indeedy.
@@KenHeron You are taking the situation too deep mentally.
Rules concerning drone use are really specialized and complex and getting even moreso. Those of us who fly and take safety seriously have spent a lot of time studying the rules and keeping up... something the general public will never do. So it's understandable that misunderstandings like this are going to happen now and then. They've happened to me. But the absolute worst time to try and educate or reorient a misunderstanding of rules is when your bird is up in the air. That turns out to be the absolute best time to simply land, pack up, and disengage. Good on you, Ken, for taking that path. It's the one that has worked for me even tho' it doesn't always temper my temper. It's just the best, if not safest, choice to make. imo.
Some minds are just closed.
So often I see things get out of hand because people can't seem to keep their ego in check and things get heated. Great job remaining professional.
I know this is a much older video but After watching a lot of your videos about confrontations, I was wondering do you ever carry paperwork to hand to people that they can read about the laws or does that just make more of a hassle. Since I'm getting a mini 4 pro soon and will be flying it pretty much around the world for photography reasons so any input would be great. I need Check your website and see about lessons and that oh yeah you have that thing at the end of your video I keep forgetting okay I'll check that I'm rambling damn it bye
Hey thanks for the comment! I don't carry any paperwork with me, but if people are curious or upset I try and take the time to explain to them about the drone and what I'm doing there. If they seem open to it then I will even put goggles on them or let them fly the drone for a minute so that they can get a feel for it. I usually just try to be a good ambassador to the hobby rather than being some sort of authoritarian with laws and rules and paperwork.
@@KenHeron Cool That appreciate the response, I'll definitely follow your lead as far as being a goodwill ambassador for drone flight I definitely don't want to be a pain in the butt for anybody else. I definitely am much more accommodating than most people but not a pushover, firm and fair until 😜🤭
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People these days, extremely uneducated about laws and regulations. Hi Ken!
Yes they are. Hi Wilbur!
"you have to get permission from the FCC in order to do that" HAAAAAAAAA
Sir.. could you please point me to that 83 feet airspace ruling.. if there is something in writing somewhere?
New to drone. So new that it’s still being shipped lol. Just looking to be as informed as I can 👍
Are you required to show your registration / license to anyone (including non-FAA people) that asks for it and let them copy it?
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Watching the video more than once to garner what each was saying.
The woman confronting 'Ken' makes two points :
1. Flying from their private property.
2. Videoing the bridges.
She says permission must be gained for BOTH. But later in the discussion she accepts that flying / videoing the bridges can be done from another location NOT their property ... at 3:20 to 3:29 ... easily missed.
The Security guy ? To be honest was doing his job ... maybe a bit over-zealous, but c'mon ... Ken didn't exactly endear himself to the guy by the snide remark to get 'educated' !!
The woman was obviously out of her 'comfort zone' and quoting Corporate Permission etc. - but then again - Ken was on their land. She took everything a little too far and thought she could sound 'Official' and 'Technically with it' ... but in reality - she destroyed her own stance.
The only part that could be accepted from her in the end and hearing her later comment .. was the flying from their land.
Confrontation ? There are far worse uploaded to RUclips / Vimeo ... this one is just plain mis-communication on BOTH parts.
Ken for accepting a counter girls permission to fly from Private Property
Woman for over-stepping her 'knowledge'
Security guard for obviously carrying out orders 'from his boss' to evict Ken from the site.
Ken for basically being somewhat rude to the guard who was just acting on orders ...
That's my PoV after watching it a number of times to check points.
Nigel
Yeah, i totally agree with this
Yeah I do too. It is not illegal 38 or so feet up but he was on their property and got permission from someone in the gift shop who was probably not authorized to give the permission. Now maybe a more formal request with an offer to give them professional aerial footage of the distillery. Who knows... if declined at least he would be able to go to a public take off and landing location.
I just replied to a comment below referencing US law. In particular -
18 U.S. Code § 32 - Destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities (a) Whoever willfully (5) interferes with . . . anyone engaged in the authorized operation of such aircraft . . . [and/or] . . . (7) communicates information, knowing the information to be false and under circumstances in which such information may reasonably be believed, thereby endangering the safety of any such aircraft in flight . . . shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years or both.
Sounds to me like the people talking to you were in violation of Federal law! All of us RC pilots should have a card with the relevant part of this law printed on it. When we are interfered with we can just hand them a copy. After they read it we could ask, "Do you want to force me to land my aircraft and call law enforcement, or do you want to call them for me?"
Good point!
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I just read the referenced code 3 times...pretty sure it's referring to private, passenger and freight airliners and not drones or model aircraft based solely on the definition they're using in Sec.31 Definitions. Also above you've removed the intent of the law from (a)1 in your quote above. The subsequent parts build upon that "umbrella" opening statement if you will. Happy flying!
@@KenHeron Hey Ken Just read up on what this guy just posted about And when reading It looks like it would still cover unmanned aircraft because under aircraft Definition it doesn't say anything like a person has to be inside the Aircraft piloting it. The description basically just says that it said invented aircraft that uses air space to maneuver. But I'm not a very smart person so I could be mis understanding what it says could you reply back After looking at it yourself to let us know if we can use this or not before I try to print this out and make a fool of myself.
@@KenHeron Ken Heron Also I've been doing security for 18 years considered one of the best guards from where I'm at, don't want to say where Exactly But so you don't think I'm some back woods security guard I will tell you that it's in Southern California. I would also be more than OK with providing you with certificates or proof that I am very qualified in what I do Before you even think about listening to me, so if you would like I would be happy to give you some pointers and recommendations Even though you may feel that you already know how to deal with security Or That it's not important enough to bother learning because when will I ever need that kind of information I would like to end with saying sometimes we ignore learning something because we feel that we will never need to use it until we find ourselves in a position one day where we wish we would have learned that useless piece of information, and in this video didn't you make a statement like "that had never happened to you before" and how long have you been flying for? 18 Years of security still get surprised to this day.
James Meech, You've got a good point/question. I use "question" because you say that you're "pretty sure", not positive. But in the FAA's Acronym of UAS the "A" stands for "aircraft". And here's the FAA's relevant definition -
(a)Definitions.- . . . (1)Aircraft.- The term “aircraft” means a civil, . . . or public contrivance invented, used, or designed to navigate, fly, or travel in the air.
The above definition in no way excludes "Unmanned AIRCRAFT Systems" which is the FAA's description of what RC pilots fly whether they be fixed wing, helicopter or multi-rotor type aircraft.
Ken, I love the humility and humor that you present in your videos. I had a similar situation a number of years (5) ago when flying at the Post Card Inn on Islamorada, Florida. I am a scuba diver and was in the dive shop talking with the cutie manning the counter and she said that she would really like to check out the drone so I pulled it out and launched for a quickie demo flight when within 3 minutes a golf cart with a security guy came speeding over to us and demanded "BRING THAT DOWN! BRING THAT DOWN!" and at the time I was about 75 feet up and 75 feet away. I tried to show him on my Yuneec Q500 controller screen what I was seeing and tell him nicely that this was what I was seeing - you know - parking lot - cars - roof tops and a couple of little tiny people on the ground... He did not want to hear it. His explanation was that if "Bubba" was visiting here from Alabama and his wife did not know about it he should not have to be worried that his image would show up on RUclips - I said as nicely as I could at the time that "Bubba" had a much more real worry from all the cell phone cameras in the bars than from my noisy drone up in the air... Made no difference though and I packed it up and went to a public park to fly later. I was very tempted to walk across the street and take off from public land next to US Route 1 and fly again but I thought better of it as I was a paying guest and did not want to have to change accommodations. - That feeling of being pissed off because of ignorance does not go away quickly but we are better for walking away... wanna see "Bubba"?
Unfortunately, the world is well-stocked with "Bubbas".
We'll never run out because new ones are being made every day.
If "Bubba" is on public property he doesn't really have a say. The courts have ruled if your on public property, you have no expectation of privacy.
Newbie question here:
I understand that the FAA has airspace jurisdiction. I also recall seeing where a drone pilot is required to get written permission to fly over private property. Does the latter only apply to recreational flying under 400’?
Thanks for your input.
In the United States you do not need written permission to fly over private property.
Seems like the issue was that you were standing on their property while flying the drone. I think it’s reasonable that they asked you to cease doing so. If you were standing in my driveway in order to fly your drone, I’d want you to have permission first.
Exactly. It's simple.
He had permission first, it says in the video he asked a manager and they said yes. It was only after someone else at the distillery said they didn't like it that they were asked to leave. A more accurate analogy would be if they asked you if they could fly in your driveway, you said yes, and then you're spouse came home and said 'Wtf, is going on here?'. Then you tell them to pack it up and call it a day, and as they were one of your neighbors suddenly came over and started incorrectly quoting state laws at them.
“Several month’s ago I was in Kentucky..” stop right there, that was your first mistake
Haaaa!!
Ya didnt take ur six pac of bud and ur cousin wife so of course u wasnt welcomed there
Agreed there.
@@KenHeron @csgskate That wasn't nice. In the video you said be nice. I grew up there; like everywhere there're a holes and "nice" people. So Ken I'm skeptical how "nice" you where with your "Haaaa!!" response.
I do appreciate you said the distillery is nice, just annoyed you're supporting continuing hate against the people of Kentucky unless I'm mistaken in which case I apologize.
I got my FAA drone registration I am just a hobbyist do I need to have remote ID in my droon I live in New Jersey
You're good for now. This won't happen for a few years.
You need to have your registration number on the bird.
When the goof said he doesnt need to educate himself that there is the problem with people today.
Agree that you had the right to fly over their property, but it sounds like they didn't like you taking off from their property, which they have a right to deny, but it seems like you asked the front desk girl for permission to do so and she was clueless and said "I don't care" which management apparently acted like that girl didn't even work there so who knows... I mean, it's a distillery so they're all a bunch of drunks anyways lol.
My issue was that we weren't "trespassing" until the drone was in the air. Whoever grants permission should know their company's policy on the subject and if they're able to do so. The person I approached about flying was a manager.
@@KenHeron And always be sure to get permission from the "FCC" as well!!
Technically the government owns the airspace above all property...and yes you can fly over it....
I'd file a flight plan with the local airport in an experimental aircraft or ultralight and fly right over the place while calling them up, asking for "big heels" and telling them "I'm over your property", so send mr. security again....
Those people at the distillery were a bunch of turkeys.
How did you get insurance for your drone
Veriflly app
One of the first things I learned about flying a drone is to not launch it and not to stand on private property while flying a drone. A drone can be flown over private property but if it is launched from and being controlled from private property you are indeed trespassing. Correct me if I am wrong.
That was my first thought for what I remember. Not to launch or land on private property.
Be nice! Yes that's what I always say to security if they are acting wild, I love it!
Always be nice!
Now you have the FCC "OUCH" looking for you, You're a Very Bad Man (LOL) You held it together better than I think I would have. Good job
Daniel Six my son is a law student working for the FCC, I will tell him he needs to know drone law now😂
Haaaaa!!! Funny.
Thanks buddy.
Thanks for sharing your experience we us I’m always learning
I got a question what about the sky is a private property
Was that the Wild Pigeon Jerky Bourbon Distillery?
yes 38°02'31.8"N 84°51'00.9"W
hahahahaha.... I WILL be sure not to go there..
US62 over the Kentucky River. The bridge is the Versailles Rd. Bridge. And yes, it is the "pigeon jerky" bourbon, a.k.a Wild Turkey Distillery.
@@chriskaufman4394 thank you for sharing that with us, now we know what bourbon not to buy in the future. I hate bourbon and I hate all whiskey anyway so it doesn't really affect me as far as buying liquor goes.
yeah and I'll be sure not to purchase their products anymore either.
I think the issue was that you(as a person) was on their property. They don’t have to allow you access to their property to stand on
The place was the Wild Turkey Visitors Center! They INVITE people to come onto their property! Certainly they can ask someone to leave if they are acting like a criminal. And, yea, they can actually ask anyone to leave, but they can also be called out on a RUclips channel for one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Result? Their reputation as a company is diminished.
Can't stand Wild Turkey....would rather drink Jim Bean Black label if I had to drink bourbon.
You got a couple of things going on here...
First they don’t know the law but they think they do. Some people can’t be educated if they are unwilling to learn.
Second negative drone bias.
Third people again not knowing the law about private property.
4th professional cameras. Companies get antsy when they see them. You can shoot pics of your food all day with your phone you bring a dslr or a gimbal and they freak out and say you need permission from corporate even if you’re just filming yourself and your food.
Do you have law or case law that you can cite that gives you the right to trespass on someone else's property to recover your drone?
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Just curious, but why avoid giving the full name of the distillery? The only reason I ask is if that something we should all do as well, in similar situations?
I am going to side with the Distillery on this one. It is their property. Asking the lady at the gift counter was very sloppy. You should have really spoken with admin and gotten a written or on camera ok first. When we fly here in Australia on private property, out of respect to the land/business owner, we ask and 100% have no issues. Sorry, I too would have asked you to land it and not fly anymore if you just rocked up on our land to fly. I fly for work and we always touch base with owners of properties we intend to film or fly over. Its just a simple, painless process to go with instead of creating tension. If you spoke to Admin, identified yourself officially and through your youtube channel, I would say they would have granted you 100% permission to go for it and fly. All it took was a simple request from admin.
The woman who we got permission from was a manager. She just happened to ne located in the gift shop.
It didn't become "private property" that we needed to vacate, until the drone was in the air. Hope this clears up any confusion for you.
I agree full permission by a person that is the owner is the best way to do it. Private property they can tell you to vacate at any time if you are standing on that property. It is what it is.
You knew very well that a gift shop manager doesn't have the authority to grant that permission.
TheBushape, Odd how you are assuming that she was the gift shop manager as opposed to a manager who happened to be behind the counter of the gift shop. If an employee is sick or on vacation a manager may need to fill their position.
It was private property before, during, and after you flew. Hope this clears up any confusion for you@@KenHeron
Citizen’s arrest, citizen’s arrest. Looks like Gomer Pyle had you dead to rights, Ken.
Haaaa!
Well, GAWL-LEEE!
I believe that people like that was put on earth to test my anger management. You did so well and passed the test 😂
Another idea for next time, after you bring it back, ask the person who confronted you to pull out their cellphone, go to google maps satellite view, zoom in on their property, and have them take a good long look at what is publicly available to anyone in the entire world who has an internet connection, and have them ponder on who they care more about violating their privacy, you or dozens of multinational corporations. Probably won't work anyway.
Amen!!!
This situation will only become more common as more and more of us show up at sites trying to fly our drones. You handled it ok but since you are a 107 licensed pilot you probably could have been a little more professional about seeking permission rather than getting it from some random employee in the gift shop. By doing so you were blurring the lines between being a hobbyist and a professional. I’d guess you were trying to skate under the radar as a hobbyist until you were challenged at which point you brought up being licensed and having a company which clearly moved you into the professional category. No matter who is “right” in this situation no one won and everyone lost. The lady and security guard left with a reinforced dislike for drones (god help the next drone pilot who tries to fly there) and you clearly were also upset with the way they treated you. If you had to do this over I’d guess you might have sought out someone who could truly give you official permission to fly and film. Sounds like they might not have been inclined to give it in which case you should find another place to launch from. Alternatively perhaps offer to shoot some footage of their facility at no charge to help win them over. As drone pilots it’s incumbent on us to “be nice” with the general public as they’ll never be as informed about the laws regarding drones as we are (or should be).
I agree with you. Then Ken shouldn’t have brought up his being licensed and having an aerial photography company. The minute he did that he blurred the lines. As drone pilots we can’t have it both ways!
David Mabry I agree, it’s a big world, and so far, a bunch of it is still flyable.
I watched the video a couple of times. I fail to see how just because Ken holds a 107 license that it is blurring the lines. Ken never stated he was 107 licensed, just certified by the FAA. Ken went as a hobbyist to film a structure. I think Ken did what any hobbyist would have done, gone inside, asked permission from a worker and then continued on with the task. And yes, he was challenged by a person who had no idea what so ever what governing body he had to conform with. He simply informed her the correct agency and that he was certified by that agency. And again, it is the lady who asks who Ken is with as if he were filming for commercial purposes. Ken only supplied answers and information to the lady who had no understanding of drone rules. As it is she felt it necessary to state that Ken needed permission from the bridge owner as well. If her concern was about them being on their (the business') private property to take off and land on, then why would she care if he had permission to film the bridge or not? Ken could have very well had permission from the bridge owner. As far as I see, you have un-knowledgeable people trying to explain rules to someone who actually does know the do's and don'ts.
My issue was that we weren't "trespassing" until the drone was in the air. Whoever grants permission should know their company's policy on the subject and if they're able to do so. The person I approached about flying was a manager.
We actually can have it both ways. I can fly either commercially or as a hobbyist.
See? Ain't being educated fun?
first view and first like , i am going hear conclusion now ...yes this is true Education with drone , in France law is very strict for drone Fly but it is a good thing
How can you talk about yourself getting pissed off with a friendly smile? That's next-level emotional control
The video: a gift of knowledge, thanks for the smart high standard video... well done.
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C'mon admit it you were casing the area planning to drink 3000 gallons of wild turkey later that night....lol
Thanks Ken I think you did a very good job restraining your self. Well done Ken
Thanks Rick.
Agreed, my fuse is a lot shorter than yours for damn sure. I'm not one to hold grudges and I don't try to start arguments but if someone's going to "attack me" I'm going to Stand My Ground and speak my mind. Especially when I know more than the individual trying to lecture me does. The trick is to do it without belittling them and almost be passive aggressive while at the same time educating them to a point that don't listen...😂😂😂
I have no patience for people. I make it extremely unpleasant for anyone to harass me while Im flying.
Restraining ? .... by telling the Guard to get 'educated' ??
Correct. Being a jerk is more accurate.@@solentlifeuk
Love the setup and the cam quality is awesome! What kind of equipment do you have? I’m looking to get one maybe even add night vision! Yeaaa night vision :)
Scrolled to here. Yup this was a good one 👍