So no one ever says where the dot should be in sight glass. Should it be center or should it be on top of front sight post or is it just a personal preference. Also i just bought a swamp fox and had to get longer screws because the one they send are barley long enough to get 1 thread before tight but also i have to remove the screws just to get the battery cover off.
That's the beauty of putting a dot sight on your pistol. It doesn't matter at all! That's why dot sights are so much faster than irons, instead of having to line up front and rear sights, you can just break your shots as soon as the dot is on target, no matter where it is in the window. We have a "parallax test' video on our channel as well where I deliberately put the dot in different parts of the optic window, right at the edges, to see how much the point of impact would change, and easily got all A-zone hits with every round fired. The harder part with dot sights is getting used to the dot constantly moving and wiggling around. It never sits still in the way that iron sights seem to, because it's such a finer point of aim. So you learn that there is sort of an acceptable window of wiggle where you can break your shot. If you wait for the dot to be perfectly still your split times will be three seconds long! So as SOON as the dot covers the part of the target you want to hit, let 'er rip even if the dot is acting all wiggly on you. --SF Mike
Everything was broken down really well and simply. Thought itd be a 5min how to without any concepts and theory, ended up being a very educational video.
Thank you, 100% excellent job on the math of getting to zero. It make it clear where I want to get with the adjustments. I will watch this several times, This video is my gold standard of getting to zero.
I enjoyed your three prep videos on Red Dot's. Changed my mind in my learning program on my new HellCat. In all my previous handguns and rifles I trained and accuraized my weapons using ONLY the Iron Sites before mounting any optics. The Basics first before enhancements. Will I ordered the Sentinel..I have note shot the Springfield Armory HellCat and barely dry fired it 25 times. Now I will mount the Sentinel and do the Dry Fire exercise you suggested before going to our clubs pistol range. Thank You 10,000 Rounds....Dennis T., Mesa, AZ
GREAT VIDEO AND EXPLANATION. This is certainly the best video I've seen when it comes to RDS sighting. Excellent illustration of height over bore and other considerations, such as ammo. I love Swampfox, they're on 3 of my pistols and both of my MCK's.
Great info. It seems simple, but the height over bore graphic is perfect. I was sighting in my optic in from 10 yards, just pulled up this video…clarity. It’s perfect now. Ringing 12” steel from out to 50 yards easily! (That’s all the room I have here.
Great points. Thank you for the diagram. It really helps to understand the trajectory and impact point of the bullet. I like your products. I run an Arrowhead lpvo on an AK and just got the liberty for a range gun. Thanks again
These instructions work very well. I bought a $30 ADE RD3-009 for my TP9SFX back in 2017 just to see if I'd like Red Dots & that sucka is still rock'n at 50y with the same 2017 battery, same zero (I've taken the optic on & off many times) never had to rezero but ADE President Tony, just sent me the new 2021 version for the Caniks, the RD3-009D! Love it! Got it fine tuned at 50y and it'll drive nails. I've smoked many hogs, coyotes & Bobcats on the Ranch with mine.. Not recommended as a "Carry Optic" even though I've never had any issues but for $85 for the newer version? Can't be beat.
Here’s another way, it’s what I use and hardly any math involved. Multiply your target distance to get it to 100yds. Example 5yds x 20. Then multiply your offset by 20. So if you were off by 4” you will need to adjust 4x20=80 MOA. If you were zeroing at 10yds (simpler) you would have 4”x10=40 MOA
Now this was what I was looking for,well done explained,and very understandable.Thanx for this video.I am a noob to the world of optic,and this helped a lot!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁
Didn't realize that they didn't ha e clicks in the adjustment, about to zero my justice and am a little concerned now although I probably shouldn't be. I have done this quite a few times with my riffle and with different types of optics, but usually have the 1 or 1/2 moa clicks. You were very helpful and informative with concerning to the swampfox red dots. I think I'll for sure zero at 15 first on a rest before going to 25 though. Thanks for the help.
I got my windage dialed in, but ran out of adjustment on the elevation. I was shooting about 8 inches low at 25 feet. But hey, at least I didn't have a catastrophic failure like I did on my hex wasp, which was 100% sighted in until something broke inside it and lost all zero.
I have been skipping around youtube for an hour trying to understand the MOA 1, 2, 3, 4 Red Dots & how those affect adjustments.. Your video was my answer. There are some wierd videos on here saying MOA represents the size of the dot in the Red Dot. Thank you for sharing knowledge that is truthful and applicable.
@@benpennington8941 So, you are saying 4 MOA indicates the red dot inside the frame is larger around than a 3 MOA red dot. The MOA does not represent Minute of Angle?
@@Handd4uthe 3 MOA dot is 3 minutes of angle. I minute of angle is equivalent to a difference of 1 inch in 100 yards. That means that at 100 yards it covers and spot 3 inches in diameter. At 10 yards it covers a spot that is 0.3 inches in diameter. A 4 MOA dot is 4 inches at 100 yards, or 0.4 inches at ten yards. It is representing the size of the dot in angle, because at different distances the size of the dot is different in relation to the target. It is the size of the dot, and also represented in minute of angle. This is why the bigger dots like a 6 moa are easier to aquire, but less precise. The 6 moa dot at 100 yards covers a spot that is 6 inches in diameter. Visually the dot is easier to see and pick up, but covers more of the target.
@@benpennington8941 OK Ben, I think I understand now. The MOA represents 2 areas for a red dot. Size of red dot and the number of click adjustments for zeroing P.O.A. to P.O.I. Thanks for sharing.
@@Handd4u yes that's true, but the number of clicks is relative to the distance. If you are shooting at 100 yards it's all simple. 1 MOA of adjustment (usually 1 click on a red dot) moves the POI 1 inch. At 10 yards it moves it 1/10th of an inch. At 200 yards it moves it 2 inches. That means that with 1 MOA clicks at ten yards, it takes 10 clicks to move an inch.
Awesome video, gotta show my friend. We had a disagreement on how the scope and barrel affect impact. I have several friends that think the bullet comes out of the barrel rising in an arc and they couldn't understand me when I told them that's not the case, it's impossible. Your drawing on impact describes it perfectly.
Bullets definitely travel in a arc your barrel is already angled upward to accommodate this. Its like throwing a football, gravity plays effect on the bullet just the same
Thank you, i didnt know how big of a difference if zeroed close when going farther, so it looks like its better to zero further like 20 to 25 yards and will still be close to zero when doing 10 to 15 yards
Thank you for a great instructional video. Please allow me to ask a amateurish question.... Can we adjust the sight line and the bore parallel to each other.? That would make the impact point a fixed distance below the sight line until the bullet droppage becomes significant.
Great job with this video! Question… when your just starting this process where should the red dot be placed when your looking through the window (let’s say the middle to start). Than with every subsequent correction are you moving it farther away from the center?
Are the adjustments the same on any of you sights? I have a Kingslayer sight Have not had a chance to take it to the range for sighting in. Thank you for your time.
Hey Mike, if you're listening; I noticed you have Night Fision suppressor sights on your Canik TP9 Elite SC. Do you happen to remember which model/version of those sights you mounted. NF's website doesn't specifically list the Canik SC. Yes I have also reached out to NF but it's Sunday and I'm the impatient type 😔
Very good info in this video. Keep up the good work. Also watched you other video with red dot pros and cons. What red dot is on your x5 p320 I’m interested in it
It's had a bunch of stuff on it for testing and eval but right now it (finally) has a production level Justice on it. It's more of a competition gun than a conceal carry gun, being so big and having 20+1 magazines that stick out, so having a big window is no disadvantage for that one. --Mike
Just received my liberty today. Sending my P320 slide in for the RMR cut. Can't wait to get it back. Thanks for the videos and thanks for the military discount. Do I need to install the high suppressor sights ?
Way I do this, my carry ammo is 124gr HST if you put bullet info into ballistic calc you will see it is about the same as Federal American Eagle 124gr ammo. Ballistic calc height over bore and how far I want my zero let’s say 15 yards, the output will show me what that bullet will be doing at 3, 5 yards, 1/2 inch low for example, now adjust point of aim / point of impact half inch low and you should be dead on at 15. Joe
Great Red dot can't wait to requalify tomorrow. My only issue is my warped Glock MOS plate. Any recommendations for a replacement plate? Also when will the ironside shield be available for the Justice?
I attempted to use the V4 plate from CHP but it didn't line up flush at all. I suppose i will wait on the ironside shield to be back in stock and place this red dot on my personal build.
Do you suggest zero at 25 yds for a g43x? I thought I read somewhere that you recommended 15 yards for the smaller handguns. Great vid! Waiting for my Sentinel as we speak!
This video is for all pistols & pistol dots. We recommend following Mike's advice when zeroing a pistol and should you run into any issues, let us know.
25 yards. You are handicapping the ability of your red dot sighting system to be accurate at longer ranges if you zero closer. As stated in the video if you zero @ 25 yards you’ll be approximately 1” low @ point blank to 10 yards. That’s is way more acceptable than zeroing your optic @ 5 yards and your point of impact being 6” higher at 25 yards
This is the reason I sight my laser at 30-50 yards. That way, from muzzle to that distance, the bullet is no further from the last than the laser’s offset from the bore.
What iron sights are you using on the Canik SC front and rear ??? Do the standard irons co witness ok ?or the ones you are using??? I am impressed with Swamp fox .
Those are Night Fision. The standard ones don't really cowitness well enough for me. The night sights from Night Fision are affordable and high quality, I'm a huge fan and I've been recommending them to anyone who asks. The ones I'm using are part number CNK-028-003-YGZG. Tell 'em Swampfox Mike sent you!
@@SwampfoxOptics What about the stealth optics ready from night fision? I keep hearing not to co-witenss as you don't want your optic window all cluttered up.
Great video I think I am over interrupting your graphics or just not following what they are doing. You bottom drawing leads me to think that at 5 yards I am good at 25yards which I know is not the case. I will have to revisit the video
So no one ever says where the dot should be in sight glass. Should it be center or should it be on top of front sight post or is it just a personal preference. Also i just bought a swamp fox and had to get longer screws because the one they send are barley long enough to get 1 thread before tight but also i have to remove the screws just to get the battery cover off.
That's the beauty of putting a dot sight on your pistol. It doesn't matter at all! That's why dot sights are so much faster than irons, instead of having to line up front and rear sights, you can just break your shots as soon as the dot is on target, no matter where it is in the window. We have a "parallax test' video on our channel as well where I deliberately put the dot in different parts of the optic window, right at the edges, to see how much the point of impact would change, and easily got all A-zone hits with every round fired.
The harder part with dot sights is getting used to the dot constantly moving and wiggling around. It never sits still in the way that iron sights seem to, because it's such a finer point of aim. So you learn that there is sort of an acceptable window of wiggle where you can break your shot. If you wait for the dot to be perfectly still your split times will be three seconds long! So as SOON as the dot covers the part of the target you want to hit, let 'er rip even if the dot is acting all wiggly on you. --SF Mike
It should be wherever it needs to be in the window to be zeroed at your desired distance. When using the dot, ignore your irons.
Doesn’t look like the second issue got answered.
@@jamesgang94591 longer screws… no issue
These instructions are much better than anything else I have run across. Thank you.
Everything was broken down really well and simply. Thought itd be a 5min how to without any concepts and theory, ended up being a very educational video.
Thank you, 100% excellent job on the math of getting to zero. It make it clear where I want to get with the adjustments. I will watch this several times, This video is my gold standard of getting to zero.
One of the best videos on zeroing a red dot I’ve seen. Great stuff man 👍🏾
Just picked up the Liberty and can't wait to get it zeroed in! Thanks for the informative vid on sighting in a red dot. Very helpful! Thanks!
Just got my new swampfox sentinel today!!!! It's freaking awesome! Can't wait to get it zeroed in. Thank you for making this video.
I enjoyed your three prep videos on Red Dot's. Changed my mind in my learning program on my new HellCat. In all my previous handguns and rifles I trained and accuraized my weapons using ONLY the Iron Sites before mounting any optics. The Basics first before enhancements. Will I ordered the Sentinel..I have note shot the Springfield Armory HellCat and barely dry fired it 25 times. Now I will mount the Sentinel and do the Dry Fire exercise you suggested before going to our clubs pistol range. Thank You 10,000 Rounds....Dennis T., Mesa, AZ
Ordered my sight today with the manual adjustment for a hellcat. I cannot wait to get it.
GREAT VIDEO AND EXPLANATION. This is certainly the best video I've seen when it comes to RDS sighting. Excellent illustration of height over bore and other considerations, such as ammo. I love Swampfox, they're on 3 of my pistols and both of my MCK's.
Just found this. Absolutely the best video out there on how to zero a red dot. Thanks!
Dang! This is an instructional video in itself. Nicely done! I am enjoying my Liberty...!
Good video and thorough coverage of the height over bore effect! Thanks!
The best video on this out there . Well done explaining the sight over boar . Insight red dot at 10 then confirm at 25 .
Great info. It seems simple, but the height over bore graphic is perfect. I was sighting in my optic in from 10 yards, just pulled up this video…clarity. It’s perfect now. Ringing 12” steel from out to 50 yards easily! (That’s all the room I have here.
Great points. Thank you for the diagram. It really helps to understand the trajectory and impact point of the bullet.
I like your products. I run an Arrowhead lpvo on an AK and just got the liberty for a range gun.
Thanks again
Very simple but a great deal of information: thank you for sharing this, it helps me out a ton.
Houston here also - used your video today to install and sight in my swamp fox for my hellcat
Finally!! explained thoroughly .. you just got a new subscriber!! A+
Really good short cut and easy to follow video. Bravo
Well done Mike!
Thank you! Your the first one
To show me how to adjust my optic
I like it, I can’t wait to get my Sentinel sighted in.
👊 Best red dot zero-in video i seen to date (i see the comments are saying the same thing) ...keep them coming (ill be getting the Sentinel)
Great video. Thank you! Exactly what we want. Hitting where it should in the least amount of time using the least amount of ammo.
These instructions work very well. I bought a $30 ADE RD3-009 for my TP9SFX back in 2017 just to see if I'd like Red Dots & that sucka is still rock'n at 50y with the same 2017 battery, same zero (I've taken the optic on & off many times) never had to rezero but ADE President Tony, just sent me the new 2021 version for the Caniks, the RD3-009D! Love it! Got it fine tuned at 50y and it'll drive nails. I've smoked many hogs, coyotes & Bobcats on the Ranch with mine.. Not recommended as a "Carry Optic" even though I've never had any issues but for $85 for the newer version? Can't be beat.
Here’s another way, it’s what I use and hardly any math involved. Multiply your target distance to get it to 100yds. Example 5yds x 20. Then multiply your offset by 20. So if you were off by 4” you will need to adjust 4x20=80 MOA.
If you were zeroing at 10yds (simpler) you would have 4”x10=40 MOA
Now this was what I was looking for,well done explained,and very understandable.Thanx for this video.I am a noob to the world of optic,and this helped a lot!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁
Good Job explaining. I was about to give up on the Red Dot.
I deeply appreciate your instruction, detailed explanations, and graphics . I'm getting ready to zero in my Hellcat and the SF Sentinel.
bro you posted on the same video 2 years ago talking about your hellcat you still havent zerod that shit? lmao
Great info Mike.
"land of pretend time" LOL, great vid! I just got my Sentinel and Ironsides! Thanks
Thanks guys. You made my night.
Didn't realize that they didn't ha e clicks in the adjustment, about to zero my justice and am a little concerned now although I probably shouldn't be. I have done this quite a few times with my riffle and with different types of optics, but usually have the 1 or 1/2 moa clicks. You were very helpful and informative with concerning to the swampfox red dots. I think I'll for sure zero at 15 first on a rest before going to 25 though. Thanks for the help.
High quality and caliber video. 💯
Great content thank you for sharing!
I got my windage dialed in, but ran out of adjustment on the elevation. I was shooting about 8 inches low at 25 feet. But hey, at least I didn't have a catastrophic failure like I did on my hex wasp, which was 100% sighted in until something broke inside it and lost all zero.
Excellent video!
Awesome,concise to the point😍
Thanks. Love the visuals which helped make this all come together.
Great tutorial 😎
I have been skipping around youtube for an hour trying to understand the MOA 1, 2, 3, 4 Red Dots & how those affect adjustments.. Your video was my answer. There are some wierd videos on here saying MOA represents the size of the dot in the Red Dot. Thank you for sharing knowledge that is truthful and applicable.
The moa is the size of the red dot.
@@benpennington8941 So, you are saying 4 MOA indicates the red dot inside the frame is larger around than a 3 MOA red dot. The MOA does not represent Minute of Angle?
@@Handd4uthe 3 MOA dot is 3 minutes of angle. I minute of angle is equivalent to a difference of 1 inch in 100 yards. That means that at 100 yards it covers and spot 3 inches in diameter. At 10 yards it covers a spot that is 0.3 inches in diameter. A 4 MOA dot is 4 inches at 100 yards, or 0.4 inches at ten yards. It is representing the size of the dot in angle, because at different distances the size of the dot is different in relation to the target. It is the size of the dot, and also represented in minute of angle. This is why the bigger dots like a 6 moa are easier to aquire, but less precise. The 6 moa dot at 100 yards covers a spot that is 6 inches in diameter. Visually the dot is easier to see and pick up, but covers more of the target.
@@benpennington8941 OK Ben, I think I understand now. The MOA represents 2 areas for a red dot. Size of red dot and the number of click adjustments for zeroing P.O.A. to P.O.I. Thanks for sharing.
@@Handd4u yes that's true, but the number of clicks is relative to the distance. If you are shooting at 100 yards it's all simple. 1 MOA of adjustment (usually 1 click on a red dot) moves the POI 1 inch. At 10 yards it moves it 1/10th of an inch. At 200 yards it moves it 2 inches. That means that with 1 MOA clicks at ten yards, it takes 10 clicks to move an inch.
best vid I've seen so far thanks
Awesome video, gotta show my friend. We had a disagreement on how the scope and barrel affect impact. I have several friends that think the bullet comes out of the barrel rising in an arc and they couldn't understand me when I told them that's not the case, it's impossible. Your drawing on impact describes it perfectly.
Bullets definitely travel in a arc your barrel is already angled upward to accommodate this. Its like throwing a football, gravity plays effect on the bullet just the same
I like this guy, great info and entertaining at the same time
Swampfox Mike is a great guy!
@@SwampfoxOptics do i need two put the dot on the center of the window?
@@jesseawiten8480 Follow the instructions in this video.
not a second wasted. thank you👍🏽
Thank you, i didnt know how big of a difference if zeroed close when going farther, so it looks like its better to zero further like 20 to 25 yards and will still be close to zero when doing 10 to 15 yards
New sub here brother! Really enjoy your channel and thx for sharing.
Thank you for a great instructional video. Please allow me to ask a amateurish question.... Can we adjust the sight line and the bore parallel to each other.? That would make the impact point a fixed distance below the sight line until the bullet droppage becomes significant.
Nice man!!!!!! Thanxx
Great vid. Thank you!
Great video
Great job with this video! Question… when your just starting this process where should the red dot be placed when your looking through the window (let’s say the middle to start). Than with every subsequent correction are you moving it farther away from the center?
Great info
Would like to see your red dots tested and reviewed by SageDynamics
thank you Mike
Great video thx
Good video.
Nice job
Are the adjustments the same on any of you sights? I have a Kingslayer sight Have not had a chance to take it to the range for sighting in. Thank you for your time.
Love how you look like Michael Keaton in Batman with the shades on 😎
“SPACEFORCE” 🤣🤣
Great great video
Lol the ending cracked me up
I mounted the sentinal on my hellcat pro. I bought a laser bore sight. Is it as easy as matching the dots? What about cowitnessing?
Hey Mike, if you're listening; I noticed you have Night Fision suppressor sights on your Canik TP9 Elite SC. Do you happen to remember which model/version of those sights you mounted. NF's website doesn't specifically list the Canik SC. Yes I have also reached out to NF but it's Sunday and I'm the impatient type 😔
great reel. where in houston is this gun range?
Very good info in this video. Keep up the good work. Also watched you other video with red dot pros and cons. What red dot is on your x5 p320 I’m interested in it
It's had a bunch of stuff on it for testing and eval but right now it (finally) has a production level Justice on it. It's more of a competition gun than a conceal carry gun, being so big and having 20+1 magazines that stick out, so having a big window is no disadvantage for that one. --Mike
How would this hold up on a S&W 500 mag? Would like to use this or the Kraken. Already have 4 Swampfox optics, so might as well make it 5!!
Just received my liberty today. Sending my P320 slide in for the RMR cut. Can't wait to get it back. Thanks for the videos and thanks for the military discount. Do I need to install the high suppressor sights ?
Most likely you will want to install them.
At would distance would you zero for defense/ carry pistol?
You might have mentioned this and I just missed it. But… when sighting in my liberty, do I align my dot with the pistols fixed sights?
I feel silly for failing to account for height over bore. Back to the range!
So I just bought the justice at 3 Moa do you still recommend to start at 5 or is 10 yards to 25 ok?
Without having iron sights, where did you put the red dot in the window of the optic on those first three shots? Wouldn’t that matter?
Can I use a bore sight to sight it in as well???
Great example why a zero at 25 yards is important along with ammo load.
Do you have cross-dominant vision? I noticed you seem to be using your left eye when aiming, but right handed.
The instruction in the Kingslayer manual are backwards from this, just FYI. Hence the confusion probably.
I love mine!
What range is this in Houston? Man that's a nice bay/berm!
What distance do you recommend to sight in a pistol
I need that shirt 😂
Like that gave pros and cons but best part was learning can buy shroud to protect red dot
Lmfao, a smidge is also my favorite unit of measurement. Well done.
Way I do this, my carry ammo is 124gr HST if you put bullet info into ballistic calc you will see it is about the same as Federal American Eagle 124gr ammo. Ballistic calc height over bore and how far I want my zero let’s say 15 yards, the output will show me what that bullet will be doing at 3, 5 yards, 1/2 inch low for example, now adjust point of aim / point of impact half inch low and you should be dead on at 15. Joe
Awesome 👌
What range did you went thru in Houston??
Thank you
Great Red dot can't wait to requalify tomorrow. My only issue is my warped Glock MOS plate. Any recommendations for a replacement plate? Also when will the ironside shield be available for the Justice?
You could buy a C&H Precision plate. Justice ironsides are about 4-5 weeks out.
I attempted to use the V4 plate from CHP but it didn't line up flush at all. I suppose i will wait on the ironside shield to be back in stock and place this red dot on my personal build.
You're in Houston? So am I and that exlains why I just ordered your sentinel. H town ain't what it used to be.
What range were you at while making this video? Yes, I do reside in Houston.
Do you suggest zero at 25 yds for a g43x? I thought I read somewhere that you recommended 15 yards for the smaller handguns. Great vid! Waiting for my Sentinel as we speak!
This video is for all pistols & pistol dots. We recommend following Mike's advice when zeroing a pistol and should you run into any issues, let us know.
25 yards. You are handicapping the ability of your red dot sighting system to be accurate at longer ranges if you zero closer. As stated in the video if you zero @ 25 yards you’ll be approximately 1” low @ point blank to 10 yards. That’s is way more acceptable than zeroing your optic @ 5 yards and your point of impact being 6” higher at 25 yards
Thanks! Cant wait to get my Justice on my g19 mos! Question for ya, are their any better 3rd party MOS plates for the Justice you know of?
Not off hand. Glock Plate #2 is for RMR and should work with no issues though.
CHWPS for the win!!! You won't regret it.
This is the reason I sight my laser at 30-50 yards. That way, from muzzle to that distance, the bullet is no further from the last than the laser’s offset from the bore.
Good!
where in the houston world you can shoot in your back yard?
My windage is max and I can't get it zeroed...solutions?
Where in Houston are you???? I wanna go there too
What iron sights are you using on the Canik SC front and rear ??? Do the standard irons co witness ok ?or the ones you are using??? I am impressed with Swamp fox .
Those are Night Fision. The standard ones don't really cowitness well enough for me. The night sights from Night Fision are affordable and high quality, I'm a huge fan and I've been recommending them to anyone who asks. The ones I'm using are part number CNK-028-003-YGZG. Tell 'em Swampfox Mike sent you!
@@SwampfoxOpticsnun nom
@@SwampfoxOptics What about the stealth optics ready from night fision? I keep hearing not to co-witenss as you don't want your optic window all cluttered up.
Great video I think I am over interrupting your graphics or just not following what they are doing. You bottom drawing leads me to think that at 5 yards I am good at 25yards which I know is not the case. I will have to revisit the video