Wow, you speak and explain things VERY WELL. You don't over explain or under explain. Sound is great! Mostly filming was great! Thanks for your help!.... I need all I can get...hahaha
I adjusted the side port with my Jandy valve (4:44) and that allowed for a perfect flow regulator test between the minimum and maximum. Question: Can I continue to turn that Jandy valve, increasing the flow, while dropping the RPMs through Screenlogic (Pentair's app on my phone). Am I doing damage to the flow elsewhere by continuing to open it here? Thanks, by the way! I was all the way up to 3500 and hardly showed a minimum on that regulator test. Once I opened the Jandy, it made all the difference. I'm just not sure how much farther I can go (or what it's actually doing when opened).
It wont do any damage - you are just changing directly the flow to the cleaner and reducing it from the skimmer. The only time it can be an issue is if the cleaner has too much suction and you see the water in the pump drop down. But under normal conditions nothing is effected when you increase the suction to the cleaner and reduce suction at the skimmer. Typically 2600 RPM will get the Rebel moving well from a side port connection.
Very good video. Can you tell me how to correct the problem of the cleaner climbing the wall too much, rising up out of the water and pulling air into the line? Thanks.
@@SPL Thanks a lot. My pool servicing technician did that and it seems to have worked pretty good. I believe the suction was at the minimum line after that. If it still does it is it OK to go less than the minimum? Or will lowering the RPM of the pump help?
Hey Steve I have a question. I have a Pentair SuperFlo variable speed pump and this Pentair Rebel cleaner. I have a dedicated suction line which is where I have the Rebel installed. I can only get the Rebel to clean when I install the additional piece into my skimmer to create more pressure. Even if I increase the RPM's to 3450 I still can't get the Rebel to perform properly with the main drain and skimmer running at the same time. Do you think adding a booster pump to the suction line would solve my problem? I really want to be able to run the skimmer and cleaner at the same time. Thanks.
You really don't need full skimming nor main drain suction with a cleaner working in the pool. I would turn off the main drain and just adjust with the skimmer and cleaner suction.
Pentair Rebel Suction Side Cleaner Installation Video: I always like to film the installation of a cleaner to go along with my reviews. Here is the install process for the Pentair Rebel (and Warrior) Suction side Cleaners.
The manual shows installing the regulator valve into the skimmer port when doing the optional vacuum line installation (side port as you call it). Is that necessary if you control the flow through the jandy valve like you did? My pool setup were the skimmer and vacuum line are on same jandy valve.
Dude great video. Pentair should be paying you to do this stuff. I will definitely be donating to your website. Your RUclips videos are legendary. Thank you so much.
Could be the gears are worn out in the cleaner -maybe the teeth in the wheels are worn down. The big problem with the cleaner is that there is no rebuild kit. I suspect maybe a wheel is worn out - the teeth need to be sharp to catch in the gears.
I purchased this cleaner and was told it would chew up leaves. It rolls over the leaves and doesn't pick anything up? the Rebel rolls around then turns around for awhile then just sits there. There is enough suction and no blockages so I don't understand why it is under performing when it got such a great write up?
For an above ground pool it should connect to the skimmer port depending on the pool - the Pentair 'Lil Rebel is actually better suited for most Above ground pools.
@@SPL I thought the same about the tires being worn so I did already change them. BUT still no change in the circling of the Rebel, so I took it to Leslie's for their free inspection and described the problem. I'll keep your suggestion about the gear being bad, and see if that works. Thanks.
Brilliant video, thank you! My Rebel won't climb the walls, any idea of what I could try? I've adjusted the flow using the gauge and tried a few different positions on the float.
question - when I open my skimmer, there is no divert, and there are 2 hole but one of the holes (toward the front) has a plug in it. I noticed in your video both holes were open, I assume they both need to be open before installing?
I just have a question. I am from South Africa We have pool cleaner similar to this called the dominator pro by kreepy krauly. I just wanted to ask which one is better to buy between the mx6, mx6 elite, mx8, mx8 elite and the dominator pro
I look at it like this. The Dominator will run for 4 years problem free. Then you will need parts. Parts by Pentair are crazy expensive at least in the USA. So if you replace 2 wheels, the tires and maybe a couple of gears it will cost as much as a new cleaner. The MX cleaners will need more parts over the years but those parts are relatively cheap and easy to replace. You can get 10 years out of an MX cleaner. Not so with the Dominator with the high part replacement prices. The only drawback with the MX cleaners is that long string like debris can clog it. But if your doesn't have that it will be fine.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To - SPL Thank you very much for that. I’ve checked the prices for dominator parts, the pool guys close to my house quoted me R900 for all the parts and they quoted me R1600 for mx8 parts. And I do end up having quite a lot of debris at the bottom of my pool so I think the dominator pro would suit me best.
I couldn’t find anything in the manual. I have a variable speed pump and not sure what rpm to run the system at with the skimmer and separate vacuum line. Is there an ideal rpm to run. I realize I would adjust the valve to get the flow between the lines, but wondering what rpm I should even start at? I just got the pool remodeled from old school pop up returns and no dedicated vacuum line. So my rpm was vastly different depending on when I had the pop ups trying to do maximum clean. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Thank you so much for the speedy reply. I greatly appreciate it. Great videos! Another quick question. Do you have an in-line leaf canister that you would recommend with the rebel? Thanks again!
I liked your videos on the PoolCleaner 2nd Gen and the Hayward Phoenix and Aquanaut, but for some bizarre reason, they're not available in Australia. I think Haywards dumped all their 1st Gen PoolCleaners on us. My problem is with large (6"-7") stiff Eucalyptus leaves. I've had a Barracuda G2 for 10 years, but never been satisfied with its performance, so, I'd like to know your opinion of the Rebel in comparison to the PoolCleaner/Aquanaut.
Muzz Litebeer Have you ever considered a Polaris 360? If you have 1 1/2" threaded return lines that would be your best bet. But if the Rebel is available it is almost as good as the PoolCleaner and it's variants ;).
Have a similar product to this and it never worked properly despite the manufacturer replacing parts and servicing it, I then replaced the bearings in the cam housing that engages the gears with sealed metal bearings, these were slightly larger than the plastic ones and there is no free play left in the system now so the gears engage properly, the machine now works as it should!
Great video. Very informative. For the skimmer installation, it looks like this disables both the bottom-of-the-pool intake and the skimmer itself. Is it fine to just leave it this way, or is it good to disconnect the vacuum and let the other parts run now and then? Also, our pool has a pop-up system, but many of them don't work right anymore and they're expensive to replace. That's why were getting a suction cleaner. Should we let the pop-ups run anyway or redirect to the return jet (of which there is only one)?
Phorenn I would leave the main drain off and i your connecting it to the skimmer there will still be skimming action - just at a reduced rate. And yes, redirect the floor jet if needed to the one return jet. It might be better anyway if they are not popping up.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 The cleaner is working great! I've been trying it with the pop-ups still running. The cleaner drives right over them without a problem. So it seems like they should help with circulation better than a single return jet?
Just confirming if you do it this way you won't have a basket for the skimmer? Pool builder didn't build it right, the vacuum don't have enough suction with it on and the skimmer. So I will have to hook it up to the skimmer so it's 1 line and has enough suction.
Yes and no. There is a product called the "Hole in One Basket" that you can use in the skimmer so you still have a basket of sorts. www.swimmingpoollearning.com/hole-in-one-basket
@@SPL thanks. Hooked it up and still not enough suction now for the Skimmer. I was looking at the Pentair Vac-Mate Vacuum/Skimmer but I don't think that will make a difference. If I have the vacuum on high enough to work the skimmer doesn't and vice versa. Brand new pool. Pretty bummed
Great video. I have to actually lower the RPM to 1600 on my Pentair pump to get the correct level on flow regulator. The unit works and goes at a good pace picking up debris. I feel it may be running the unit at low rpm as it does have some trouble climbing walls. Thanks
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this is probabaly one of the best pool cleaner related videos I have ever watched. So thorough and easy to follow. Well done - subbed!
Thanks for the great feedback! 👍
Wow, you speak and explain things VERY WELL. You don't over explain or under explain. Sound is great! Mostly filming was great! Thanks for your help!.... I need all I can get...hahaha
I adjusted the side port with my Jandy valve (4:44) and that allowed for a perfect flow regulator test between the minimum and maximum. Question: Can I continue to turn that Jandy valve, increasing the flow, while dropping the RPMs through Screenlogic (Pentair's app on my phone). Am I doing damage to the flow elsewhere by continuing to open it here? Thanks, by the way! I was all the way up to 3500 and hardly showed a minimum on that regulator test. Once I opened the Jandy, it made all the difference. I'm just not sure how much farther I can go (or what it's actually doing when opened).
It wont do any damage - you are just changing directly the flow to the cleaner and reducing it from the skimmer. The only time it can be an issue is if the cleaner has too much suction and you see the water in the pump drop down. But under normal conditions nothing is effected when you increase the suction to the cleaner and reduce suction at the skimmer. Typically 2600 RPM will get the Rebel moving well from a side port connection.
Very good video. Can you tell me how to correct the problem of the cleaner climbing the wall too much, rising up out of the water and pulling air into the line? Thanks.
You just have to dial the suction down little by little until stops breaching the waterline. Pretty easy fix.
@@SPL Thanks a lot. My pool servicing technician did that and it seems to have worked pretty good. I believe the suction was at the minimum line after that. If it still does it is it OK to go less than the minimum? Or will lowering the RPM of the pump help?
I am having trouble removing the threaded compression adapter from the skimmer. Any suggestions on getting it out?
Hey Steve I have a question. I have a Pentair SuperFlo variable speed pump and this Pentair Rebel cleaner. I have a dedicated suction line which is where I have the Rebel installed. I can only get the Rebel to clean when I install the additional piece into my skimmer to create more pressure. Even if I increase the RPM's to 3450 I still can't get the Rebel to perform properly with the main drain and skimmer running at the same time. Do you think adding a booster pump to the suction line would solve my problem? I really want to be able to run the skimmer and cleaner at the same time. Thanks.
You really don't need full skimming nor main drain suction with a cleaner working in the pool. I would turn off the main drain and just adjust with the skimmer and cleaner suction.
I have one of these. It comes up the side so far and it takes in air?
Try reducing the suction . It's a problem with these.
Pentair Rebel Suction Side Cleaner Installation Video: I always like to film the installation of a cleaner to go along with my reviews. Here is the install process for the Pentair Rebel (and Warrior) Suction side Cleaners.
Looks just like the PoolCleaner.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 8 months old
The manual shows installing the regulator valve into the skimmer port when doing the optional vacuum line installation (side port as you call it). Is that necessary if you control the flow through the jandy valve like you did?
My pool setup were the skimmer and vacuum line are on same jandy valve.
Is the small lead hose necessary?..my pool guy took it off...thanks!
I think it helps with the maneuvrability of the head of the cleaner.
Dude great video. Pentair should be paying you to do this stuff. I will definitely be donating to your website. Your RUclips videos are legendary. Thank you so much.
+Neil Thompson No problem. The Rebel is a solid cleaner.
Having problem with hose twisting. The unit is about 4 years old. Does the hoses need to be replaced?
Could be the gears are worn out in the cleaner -maybe the teeth in the wheels are worn down. The big problem with the cleaner is that there is no rebuild kit. I suspect maybe a wheel is worn out - the teeth need to be sharp to catch in the gears.
I purchased this cleaner and was told it would chew up leaves. It rolls over the leaves and doesn't pick anything up?
the Rebel rolls around then turns around for awhile then just sits there. There is enough suction and no blockages so I don't understand why it is under performing when it got such a great write up?
Pretty strange. Maybe it is set on too much suction and is moving too fast? Should work great.
What flow is needed for this suction machine?
I i think i will get a dedicated pump for this so I can use it whenever I need it.
3/4 hp is the minimum for a pump at the equipment pad.
@@SPL Good to know thanks.
Hi, any tips for installation in an above ground pool ? Thanks !
For an above ground pool it should connect to the skimmer port depending on the pool - the Pentair 'Lil Rebel is actually better suited for most Above ground pools.
My Rebel spins way too much of the time. It doesn't travel across the. pool any more. Is there an answer for this? Would very much appreciate it.
Could be a bad gear or one of the wheels is worn out. try swapping the left and right tires and see if that works.
@@SPL I thought the same about the tires being worn so I did already change them. BUT still no change in the circling of the Rebel, so I took it to Leslie's for their free inspection and described the problem. I'll keep your suggestion about the gear being bad, and see if that works. Thanks.
Brilliant video, thank you! My Rebel won't climb the walls, any idea of what I could try? I've adjusted the flow using the gauge and tried a few different positions on the float.
What pool surface type do you have? Plaster?
@@SPL I have plaster and I am having the same issue. Any ideas on how to help?
Thanks . Is the Dominator better than the MX8 ? Long leaves get stuck in MX8
question - when I open my skimmer, there is no divert, and there are 2 hole but one of the holes (toward the front) has a plug in it. I noticed in your video both holes were open, I assume they both need to be open before installing?
Sounds like they plugged off the main drain line. It is nothing critical - possibly a leak so they just closed it off.
I just have a question.
I am from South Africa
We have pool cleaner similar to this called the dominator pro by kreepy krauly.
I just wanted to ask which one is better to buy between the mx6, mx6 elite, mx8, mx8 elite and the dominator pro
I look at it like this. The Dominator will run for 4 years problem free. Then you will need parts. Parts by Pentair are crazy expensive at least in the USA. So if you replace 2 wheels, the tires and maybe a couple of gears it will cost as much as a new cleaner. The MX cleaners will need more parts over the years but those parts are relatively cheap and easy to replace. You can get 10 years out of an MX cleaner. Not so with the Dominator with the high part replacement prices. The only drawback with the MX cleaners is that long string like debris can clog it. But if your doesn't have that it will be fine.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To - SPL Thank you very much for that. I’ve checked the prices for dominator parts, the pool guys close to my house quoted me R900 for all the parts and they quoted me R1600 for mx8 parts. And I do end up having quite a lot of debris at the bottom of my pool so I think the dominator pro would suit me best.
I am thinking about geting one of these for my pool does this one work OK in a freeform pool.
Works great in a free form pool.
I couldn’t find anything in the manual. I have a variable speed pump and not sure what rpm to run the system at with the skimmer and separate vacuum line.
Is there an ideal rpm to run. I realize I would adjust the valve to get the flow between the lines, but wondering what rpm I should even start at?
I just got the pool remodeled from old school pop up returns and no dedicated vacuum line. So my rpm was vastly different depending on when I had the pop ups trying to do maximum clean.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Usually 2300-2700 RPM is sufficient. Try it at 2300 RPM and go from there.
Thank you so much for the speedy reply. I greatly appreciate it. Great videos! Another quick question. Do you have an in-line leaf canister that you would recommend with the rebel? Thanks again!
Hayward W530 is the best in my opinion. Right now on amazon.com it is $58.00. Usually sells for $69.00.
Thank you again! It has been purchased :)
Hello,
Followed everything step by step but I cannot figure out how to adjust the suction flow. Any ideas?
Is it connected to the side port of the pool or through the skimmer?
Hi SPT, I just installed this Rebel cleaner today. Picks up leaves very well, but struggles to climb the walls... any tips?
Pool surface is pebble
Maybe increase the suction to the cleaner if you can.
Will do - thanks again!
Pentair Rebel or zodiac mx8? What do you think is better overall?
If your comparing these two side by side I give the Rebel a slight edge.
I liked your videos on the PoolCleaner 2nd Gen and the Hayward Phoenix and Aquanaut, but for some bizarre reason, they're not available in Australia. I think Haywards dumped all their 1st Gen PoolCleaners on us.
My problem is with large (6"-7") stiff Eucalyptus leaves. I've had a Barracuda G2 for 10 years, but never been satisfied with its performance, so, I'd like to know your opinion of the Rebel in comparison to the PoolCleaner/Aquanaut.
Muzz Litebeer Have you ever considered a Polaris 360? If you have 1 1/2" threaded return lines that would be your best bet. But if the Rebel is available it is almost as good as the PoolCleaner and it's variants ;).
Have a similar product to this and it never worked properly despite the manufacturer replacing parts and servicing it, I then replaced the bearings in the cam housing that engages the gears with sealed metal bearings, these were slightly larger than the plastic ones and there is no free play left in the system now so the gears engage properly, the machine now works as it should!
Good to hear they took care of you.
@@SPL they didnt take care of me or i wouldnt have to repair it myself...
I am having problems with this unit stopping … it runs for a way then stops
Could be a number of things. Do you notice air bubbles coming out of the return lines?
Great video. Very informative. For the skimmer installation, it looks like this disables both the bottom-of-the-pool intake and the skimmer itself. Is it fine to just leave it this way, or is it good to disconnect the vacuum and let the other parts run now and then?
Also, our pool has a pop-up system, but many of them don't work right anymore and they're expensive to replace. That's why were getting a suction cleaner. Should we let the pop-ups run anyway or redirect to the return jet (of which there is only one)?
Phorenn I would leave the main drain off and i your connecting it to the skimmer there will still be skimming action - just at a reduced rate. And yes, redirect the floor jet if needed to the one return jet. It might be better anyway if they are not popping up.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 The cleaner is working great! I've been trying it with the pop-ups still running. The cleaner drives right over them without a problem. So it seems like they should help with circulation better than a single return jet?
Just confirming if you do it this way you won't have a basket for the skimmer? Pool builder didn't build it right, the vacuum don't have enough suction with it on and the skimmer. So I will have to hook it up to the skimmer so it's 1 line and has enough suction.
Yes and no. There is a product called the "Hole in One Basket" that you can use in the skimmer so you still have a basket of sorts. www.swimmingpoollearning.com/hole-in-one-basket
@@SPL thanks. Hooked it up and still not enough suction now for the Skimmer. I was looking at the Pentair Vac-Mate Vacuum/Skimmer but I don't think that will make a difference. If I have the vacuum on high enough to work the skimmer doesn't and vice versa. Brand new pool. Pretty bummed
@@codyblackburn7159 I wonder... maybe some suction is going to the main drain.
@@SPL don't have a main drain
Really helpful and easy to understand. Thanks so much.
Mine is just sitting n one place and spinning its wheels and not moving.
How old is your Rebel?
Great video. I have to actually lower the RPM to 1600 on my Pentair pump to get the correct level on flow regulator. The unit works and goes at a good pace picking up debris. I feel it may be running the unit at low rpm as it does have some trouble climbing walls. Thanks
It's a little low but the walls stay clean most of the times anyway. As long as it is cleaning the bottom you arer good.
Top video. Thanks mate!
Just bought the pool cleaner seems tiny bit better lasts longer
You will get a solid 4 years out of it without any real issues.
@@SPL great, ibusebthe vac mate, but there is no connector for these cleaner hoses to the vac mate any idea what part to get
Very helpful
Hall I was going on
Thx buddy