It's not a win in my book, the "apology" is just the classic "I'm sorry i didn't get away with it this time". I am baffled with the amount of people accepting it as a win...
He did get away with it though. He cashed in on some people paying the 250$, now hes cashing in on other people paying the 50$ upgrade to finally giving EOD acess and still having cashed in on a bunch of people.
"This is NOT DLC. I will now tell you exactly what I believe a DLC is..." *proceeds to describe exactly what this update is, confirming its status as DLC*
Exactly, the single player mode is a major addition. He should have said DLC are small additions, like cosmetics. (he'd still be wrong, but at least with his "definition" he'd be accurate)
According to me, If you have to purchase the base game to play the DLC then it is a DLC, if not, then it's a standalone thing..but i can already see some grubby developer twisting this and naming their new releases as a seperate thing instead of calling DLC, maybe there should be a comprehensive definition of DLC
@@kanavkohli794 there is. iTS CALLED DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. thats literally what DLC stands for. its its a part of a game. thats not in the base game. its DLC.
@@DeputyFishok but what if the content doesn’t need to be downloaded? Server side updates can introduce new features without requiring a download. You’re just writing out the acronym, not explaining it.
@Sniperdaddy420 russian based but headquarters is in UK. The uk has consumer protection agencies who can levee lawsuits. They have a window to remediate and that's what we are seeing now
Ofc why wouldn't he? Way too many players would have bought such packages if they give them an advantage. We are all saying pay2win no one wants this, yet a skin in cod that is broken and too dark was bought millions of times. Just as an example. Milk milk milk. Mobile games style
This studio has, on numerous occasions, engaged in incredibly anti-consumer practices. Back around 2018 for example, they flat out refused to refund the game for players with zero in-game playtime when they couldn't even launch the game properly, due to the game not working on certain hardware configurations. If your average gamer grew a backbone and boycotted these studios as they should, these business practices would disappear within a year.
Hes trying to have the mindset of an average Eastern European owner/developer in a game with a big western audience. If Tarkov had an overwhelmingly majority Russian/Eastern European audience I bet this shit would've just flown under the radar and the playerbase would've just accepted it they're used to shit like this.
@@saschaberger3212 Nobody wants P2W to exist, but if it does exist then anyone serious about competition has to engage in the practice or else they lose to those who did
Who made you RUclips's resident psychologist? It was a mistake, and you'd be hard-pressed to prove otherwise. Unless you can prove in court that he had the mens rea, then your argument is worthless.
As an EOD owner, I e-mailed one of the 3 law firms that are sueing Battlestate Games for defrauding & false advertisement. Looking forward to the results.
@@justinhough3169I believe they are only in the collecting evidence phase and are waiting 30 days since that'd remove a lot of excuses the devs can make, and then bonus points if the devs dig themselves an even deeper hole and do stuff such as changing the terms on their website which is evidence this whole situation is intentional
I remember once when I was an edgy teenager I said something a teacher didnt like, so I had to go see the principal, who told me I had to apologize. So I went back to the teacher and said "Im sorry i have to apologize to you" and got detention. 10/10 totally worth it. This man is about as mature as I was when I was 14, but with less sense of humor.
To be fair here. IF the PVE is truely a seperate entity, aka no interaction between the 2 modes (normal tarkov PVPVE, and PVE-CO-OP). Nikita can actually get away with this. Look their two seperate games, you just get early access to the new "Game"/mode/not dlc. Still scummy, but would be doable. But he would have to market them as such and well, i think that ship has already sailed by now.
Fandom: “This is a new game mode” Nik: “That is correct” F: “we have to pay for it and download it” N: “That’s right” F: “DLC means it’s content we have to download after the game released and we have to pay extra for” N: “That makes sense to me!” F: “So this new game mode is DLC!” N: “It’s not DLC”
Honestly surprised they didn't try to pull off some mental gymnastics by claiming the game is still in beta, and the definition of DLC is extra content released after the game released, so it being released whilst still in beta, and not after the full release, means it isn't DLC. I was expecting them to try and pull some BS like that. I have 0 faith in this company now and will actively avoid anything they make going forward.
@@lanabobana3311 So someone apologizing for hurting your feelings after you make it clear to them is wrong? Guess it depends on what you confront them for. Like if you confront someone about denying the holocaust, then yeah... "I'm sorry that you feel that way." is an awful response. But if someone accidentally hurt your feelings and you confront them about THAT, then that response would be perfectly fine, empathetic even.
@@Ss4Goten There's obvious nuances and context to take into consideration with that, and you're honestly just twisting it, someone apologizing for hurting your feelings and someone saying "sorry you feel that way about it" are two different things, ones more likely to be genuine, and ones a slap in the face.
@@Ss4Goten No, saying I'm sorry you feel that way is essentially just saying "Sorry you're a little baby and got your feelings hurt over nothing" The correct way to be empathetic in a situation like that is to take responsibility, even if it was an accident, and say "I'm sorry -I- made you feel that way." It's very nuanced but it's the difference between putting the blame entirely on the other person and almost making it seem like they're annoying you for sharing their dumb feelings with you that they shouldn't have or taking responsibility for your accident
What a poorly worded statement. You can tell he didn’t run that one by his own lawyers first. I hope he pays big time financially for this false advertising.
@@yournamethere123 just saying it takes creativity to fail so spectacular and uniquely isn’t that its own accomplishment lol 😂 and I’m not an AmErIICAN SO RRY
I love how they specify the PvE mode is entirely separate on an entirely different server infrastructure yet someone has already found an exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea in PvP meaning Nikita outright lied about it being separate. Can't trust a word out of his mouth fr.
I'm not sure how tarkov is structured so I may be wrong, but plenty of enterprise setups will have different "servers" but use the same database for convenience reasons.
@@invention64what you mentioned. It can be 2 different servers, yet same structure, so you can pass local changes from PvE mode as if they were made on PvP client. So they may be not outright lying, just laughably bad at development (intentional package switching is cybersequrity 101 and in this particular case should be easily avoidable).
It's what my narcissistic (genuine napd) abusive step dad used to say *all the time* with an arrogant tone as well lol, it makes my skin crawl and tells me enough about a person
It's not as inappropriate as many people think, but it very much is a way to not apologize to someone. It's basically a polite way to tell people you have no intention of apologizing to them, but many people seem to lump it in with gaslighting (it can theoretically be used to gaslight someone, but you really can feel sorry that someone feels a certain way without being incredibly rude). Heck, I still think "I'm sorry" in response to hearing about a tragedy that happened to you is a bit offensive since a friend apologizing for something they didn't do doesn't help solve any problems, but most people seem to disagree with me.
@@Ilive_420 grammatically, it's reasonable, and in some contexts, can actually be evidence of good character. You hit the nail on the head there: it's all about tone and context. I had similar parents and it's interesting how the exact same words can count as either real love or blatant emotional abuse depending on the context and tone. It caused me a lot of trauma since it's effectively my parents saying "I'm not willing to validate your feelings" (my parents sometimes think that validating opinions is the same as agreeing with them, which is very toxic to conflate the two for what I still hope are incredibly obvious reasons).
I don't see what the big deal is with that statement (independently of the whole Tarkov situation). "I'm sorry you feel this way" is a perfectly fine apology. This is why one should never apologise, because someone will twist that and say it's not enough. I see this over and over again, people apologising and everyone not accepting it. Then what's the point? Don't apologize and just acknowledge instead. "X was a mistake" and that's it, but never say you're sorry, because people will attack you for it. As for Tarkov... I don't do multiplayer games and I'd be insane to pay 250 USD for it.
To clarify, EOD was $175-150 after upgrading. Unheard was an additional $150 for EOD owners not $250. Now it's 70% and it's $50 upgrade even tho you'll get it free.
This was absolutely insane. People paid $150 for an alpha to hope for a full release and all the dlc that comes with it. Now in beta, they release Arena and PvE instead of pushing for 1.0. I hope other studios saw what happened and the backlash the devs received.
Anyone who actually thinks that the game is going to get a full, complete release is hard coping. And I'm not just saying that because of this drama either. The game has been in early access for over 7 years now and still lacks basic functionality, QOL, bugfixes, and on and on. To say nothing of all the missing features that were talked about in roadmaps and the like.
Those blue name guys are also impervious to rounds a lot of times too, I cannot explain the losses I’ve had to them today and last night. I might just stop playing for a while.
I like how Arrowhead made fun of this. 'True Believers can grab the CM-21 Trench Paramedic for only 250 SC, featuring increased pocket size and extra stims! (Not available for free to Super Citizens.)"
This was my tjought too. He could have totally got around it by making a separate game. To be fair to blizzard though they didn't charge $250 for overwatch 2.
I'm reminded of an episode of Rocko's Modern Life, they are driving up the road and see all these advertisements for a ski resort that "everything is $5" and they get there and pay the entry fee and get inside to find out that "every THING is $5"
I don't even follow Tarkov (not my type of game) so I legit thought Charlie was talking about some in-game currency to purchase this DLC when he said "250 clams". But when he said it again as "250 dollars" I was floored. That's full price for 4 games plus tax. What kind of unchecked greed could make anyone think that's a good idea?
2:34 "This is like trying to argue that a poop is not a shit." I've just found my new favourite Charlie quote. Literally my exact thoughts on this whole situation; bravo!
This is such a classic. Controversial person doubles down, finds out it's negatively affecting their career, then Hard 180 degree backtracks with an "apology".
i feel people are completely overlooking the fact that they often set prices through the roof or promise things. and then look like good guys when they 'fix' the problem to be more reasonable after generating some news/drama. there 'fix' is just to adjust things to what they originally planned. sell item for 60 dollars? naw double it and sell it 50% off. its a sale, businesses do this all the time in the physical world
Nikita bein like "nooo its just content that you downloaded that have to pay to access, not content you pay for then have access to download! Its totally different i swear!"
but you dont download anything, you just unlock the feature, that is the thing, as soon as you buy the edition nothing but the Edition title updates to "Unheard Edition" and its unlocked, it was a 60mb update when the patch came out with the armor rework and the addition of the two new items and background, its literally already on everyones pc regardless of version
At the end of the day, this man isn't scamming random people, he's scamming his own supporters and community that put him and his game on the map to even make money in the first place. I was considering picking it up but that turned into a complete 0% chance now. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, plain and simple.
You were considering buying a game made by a random guy? Your video game collection must be full of niche, hipster titles. You're trying too hard to give people the impression that you're a nonconformist.
@@jeshegames I feel like I might have seen a RUclips ad a while back when it was first coming out, maybe a trailer? Not entirely sure, but you're right they're shooting their only supporters in the back.
@@RobbieStacks90 What the hell is this comment? Garry's Mod was made by a random guy and that game is absolutely huge. Same with Minecraft, one random dude.
Thank you for covering this, Charlie. The sad thing is that they probably were aware of the incoming backlash and they did it anyway. I refuse to believe the ignorance they’re obviously trying to hide behind.
@@Michael-dj6pd If they sell to a market, then they have to abide by the local laws for sale to that country. So if they sell their game in the EU it needs to abide by EU laws for those sales.
Reminds me of that time Bethesda came up with the "Creation Club" (paid mods) and when everyone called them out on it, Pete Hines came out and said that "They weren't paid mods, they're mini-DLC". So when the people reminded him that they promised that all DLC would be included in the Season Pass he just went radio silent 😂
And I haven't heard from the ketchup man since. Then again whenever I hear Toddy boy speak my brain automatically scrubs his existence from my mind. Bethesda's been dead to me for years. I just expect negative quality from them at this point. Nothing they do will fix it.
@@MorfsPrower i really don't know why people are excited by the prospect of an elder scrolls 6. have they even SEEN how bad recent bethesda releases are?
I honestly think that the false advertising could create a mass lawsuit. I don't even play Tarkov but man that's fucked up. Vote with your wallets guys.
The thing about anything he promises that says "when the game releases" is that escape from tarkov has been in beta for 8+ years so we really don't know if it will ever be "released"
nikita said it himself. "you can keep a game in beta state for atleast 5 years to justify bad mechanics and malfunctions." source: /watch?v=aGauDp2cYNQ
Nikita giving off BIG sociopath energy by somehow finding a way to take no responsibility for his decisions and hitting his community with a big "I'm sorry you feel that way."
He has showed you who he is. Anyone who trusts him after all this is pretty much asking to get shafted. Abandon this con and play something else; something that isn’t giving off this dealing out the back of his van with a beretta stuffed in his pants vibe.
EXACTLY - this is what I've been saying everywhere. It's not an apology. It's like you slap someone, and instead of apologizing for laying hands on them you say "I'm sorry that you're upset about being slapped."
ESO pulled the same thing since subscribers were supposed to get all DLC free so they started calling new major DLC "chapters" and claimed they were not DLC so subs had to pay for them
@@rimanahbvee This is definitely an older thing. You get everything for ESO+ a year late, around that time you can buy the deluxe collection separately for like $25.
and this is why games continue to fail , we have fake gamers spending money and dumb stuff like this. in my eyes supporting this behavior means you’re not really a gamer tbh
@@SorrowsPeace naw man your assumption on what a "gamer" is wrong . we dont even know because "gamers" have been everything, from nerds to athletes and all types of walks of life
@@SorrowsPeace"If you buy things like this youre not a gamer" so damn corny and just wrong. Things like these ridiculous prices are silly but saying people arent gamers for spending their money is a bit silly.
@@SorrowsPeace Saying they're not real gamers is kind of goofy, but they're definitely mentally fragmented lol. 1. spending that much money for a DLC that barely adds anything is nuts and 2. most of them are pretentious douchebags saying "Hurrrr stop complaining and get some money"
@@-psilo-9071 Nope, if someone punches you in the face once, and you think "he wont punch me again" as you go near him without your hands up and you get punched in the face. You hella deserved that right hook. and no one said what he did wasnt wrong, did you just blew in from stupid town?
@@-psilo-9071lets just say Logan Paul makes another crypto project and SOMEONE WHO WAS SCAMMED FROM CRYPTOZOO (not just anyone) goes in again and get scammed again. yes Logan Paul is still the evil one here but at some point….you know….they kinda seen it coming
the thing is, the company itself is shitty but the product, the game is unique. there is no other game like tarkov. the firearms are insanely well detailled. the ballistics, the mechanic. this game is truly a gem... I can't escape from tarkov.
“I’m sorry you guys are experiencing these feelings” is the exact same as when that job you hated told you “I’m sorry you feel that way” right before you quit. Though it won’t happen, imagine the change they’d implement and offer if even just 25% of their player base completely quit the game and didn’t play it at all in 2024.
It's only streamers and cheaters. Idk why people keep giving this game more money. He actively encourages rmt and cheating. The main revenue stream of BSG is people buying new accounts to cheat. The game has been confirmed to have cheaters in about 80% of maps. It's disgusting.
If anything, a PvE mode would be LESS intensive since they don't have to pay to keep their servers up for online play. It's supposed to be CHEAPER and they're charging $150 for it?! The main game is already full-priced! And wth, why planning for DLC when the game is still in EARLY ACCESS?! Just pure greed.
Nah, tbh i dont anybody is capable of beating the "pay a dollar every time you want to reload your gun" concept, cause that shit is literally straight out of meme EA slander, and that guy seriously wanted it to be a reality
What makes it worse is that tarkov players are die hard members of that community and a lot of them treat it as their main game- then Nikita just shits on them for their loyalty to his studio
I was playing a game of Insurgency Sandstorm a while back on the PvE mode, and while we were waiting for the round start we were chatting, and someone asked if we played Tarkov. One guy said no, since hackers were so abundant in game. The guy challenged him on it, said maybe it wasn’t so bad and the devs were working on it. This guy then had us join his personal discord server, wherein he provided screenshots from a game hacking server he was a member of. The screenshots were of leaked code and patch information from Tarkov that could assist with workarounds for the new patch. Thing is, the leaks on the server were dated ONE WEEK before the patch actually dropped. Tarkov has been screwed for years from the inside, so this is just digging the hole a little deeper than it already was.
I mean, just do a search for Tarkov cheats and look at their public Discords. There are multiple that have literally *thousands* of active members at basically all points of the day.
The awful thing about this whole entire situation, is that the price still hasnt changed. The game industry does this sooo often: taking 2 steps towards shitty business practices, the community complain and there is massive backlash, so they take 1 step backwards. The community rejoices, but sometimes fail to realise that they still took that one step! The fact that a game sells a 250 dollar dlc is absolutely insane to me, and if they get away with this, it wont be good for players of any game in the futute
It's insane. They're so focused on "ok we'll add a few new perks to it!" Okay... Doesn't change the fact the price tag is actually mr. krabs tier greed.
Nah they haven’t done that, although knowing BSG it’ll happen lol. What’s happening is some cheats allow cheaters to see if people have purchased the unheard edition and they’re purposefully hunting them 😭
Yea it's a dude on Twitter saying they found a way (it's tied to people inviting others into their pve lobby apparently), knowing BSG's coding track record I wouldn't be completely surprised but there's nothing other than someone saying "we found a way".
The insane pricing model currently used by the games industry makes people forget that $150 for a pre-alpha game 7 years ago was astronomically high. $250 is just ludicrous.
I can't even remember when even that was acceptable. Even in recent years, people seemed to only tolerate retail release price for early access games. I didn't even want to pay $60 for early access BG3 just because it was early access, and it ended up being one of the hottest games of the year so I'd have gotten my money's worth.
Umm, is it? We've had numerous instances of excessive greed and I haven't seen a real change in the industry. They just keep trying and see what they can come up with next. And the worst part is, they just get fired from one company and go to work to another to make other stupid decisions. Riccitiello for example went from EA (tried to make people pay to reload guns) to Unity (tried to make developers pay for each installation of their games) and he's still a board member of a few gaming related organizations (e.g. ESRB). The real problem is this: "problematic" people like Riccitiello keep holding positions of power in the industry
I think this guy visited their lawyer to get support for his spin about downloadable content that isn't DLC, but that meeting didn't go as well as he expected.
Its similar to war thunders high tier premium vehicles (you buy those so you can grind more easly (it still takes a shit ton of time to grind) ) and if you want to get a premium for a ground, air or helicopter tree for a certain nation (there are) you have to fork over 50 euro for the helicopters and 70 euro for the jets and tanks, charging triple A pricing for a single item in game that helps you grind out 1/10 nations and 1/5 of the stuff that nation has to offer is insane
My friend is pre-law and said that this lawsuit would be so easy, he could win it. He pointed out, they literally admit in this post that they were selling something they knew they couldn't support. By saying they don't have the "infrastructure" that means they were willingly selling a product they have admitted they know they can't provide right now. Even if they argued "well if it's just for the unheard edition", they have no idea just how many of those editions they would have sold. Say it was a huge success and everyone and their mother bought the Unheard Edition, could they then not support it? It's so ironic in the post that was meant to "fix" everything is probably going to be the best evidence used against them in a fraud/false advertising court
playing a bit lf a devil's advocate: That's technically not true, since its impossible to guarantee that game's server will allow for a unknown amount of players to simply connect to all of the sudden. Many many multiplayer games have tried and failed, during launch, to do that, though not all of them
I love how he describes what a dlc is, then claims the dlc isn't a dlc because of this definition, then proceeds to describe the dlc by infact describing a dlc
Reminds me of how the Payday devs said they'd never do microtransactions....and then they added skins that had stats attached to them that came from lootboxes.
This is why a lot of games become bad or fall off after they get popular. After a little success devs start seeing only dollar signs instead of actually improving the game.
The game actually has had ton of improvements lately. They decided to be snakey and try to cash in on the momentum of those QOL updates. People are not that stupid lol
@@dreamwireless8513 they could have gotten away with a 150$ price tag if they made it so EoD people still got it for free and didnt try to find a loophole. People are stupid but they freak out a lot more once they finally realize they've been manipulated.
more like overly ambitious devs realize their project's goals are way out of the scope of what modern technology can do, Streets of Tarkov runs like ass if you don't have the newest best CPU.
Thats why they tried to secretly change the wording on their website. It previously said "all futute dlcs (like arena)" now it says "all future dlcs" so, single player even was categorized as a dlc in their own wording on their website, but had to change it after announcing this to try and slip it under the radar. Scummy scam tactics.
Imagine being a dev who worked on the DLC, went to work everyday to make an update that people will enjoy just to find out no one will play it because corporate wants to charge silly money for it that you will never see a penny of despite being the ones who actually put in the work.
That doesn't make any sense. The employees are paid to develop a product. If no products sell, they get laid off. Where did you think their money comes from? Santa? It comes from the products that they develop.
@@bluedistortions So you are saying they are laid off because of poor decisions from the company, and it's fair to the developers. I understand that they have to be laid off to cut costs, but it's still an awful thing to do to employees.
@@bluedistortions or... they could just charge a reasonable price instead of $250 and then people can enjoy the product, the dev's can get paid and corporate can make their profits??? Are you good??
Edge of Darkness (EoD) version was the unlimited version that included all future DLCs and content. The EoD version was 4-5 times as much as the base game to play and don't forget the game is still in beta. "Unheard" edition is a bait-and-switch on all EoD purchasers basically saying "no, you don't have the 'best' version anymore pay us more."
$150 is CE pricing. Unless it's buying retro games from a reseller or certain modern games from scalpers, who's going to blow $150 on _a single game,_ let alone a _game mode?_
$150 before was def worth it. This is a game you could easily get a couple thousand hours on and have plenty to do or learn. You would also in theory never have to pay for anything in tarkov ever again. That price tag guaranteed all future dlc and also provided you with a starting secure container of 3x3 instead of a 2x3 for the next highest version. This is significant bc the main mechanic of tarkov is you go into a raid with gear, get valuable loot, and leave. The secure container lets you put items from your raid into a place that you will keep even if you die. The $150 version of the game gave you 3 more slots to do this than the next highest game edition and 5 more than the base edition. There are other quality of life features but for those 2 reasons alone it made the price tag worth it.
To be fair people do blow a lot more than that on microtransactions and dlc but not on only 1 package, usually they just buy a bunch of 20$ stuff and adds up.
The future DLC will probably have 2 versions. A basic version and a full version. Both will be sold but they will 100% push the full version. They’ll give the basic version to EOD holders and say “you got the DLC, you want more and it will be an upgrade charge!” While also pushing the more expensive full version everywhere.
How much you wanna bet they gonna add a more expensive unheard version? Hidden fees version, your first bullet in every game can one tap and instant kill.
Look, I'm cool with companies doing whatever (as long as they are upfront about it) because it's their product. So if they're being subversive, then yeah it's shit. But the point I want to bring up the community needs to have a bigger responsibility in not supporting companies that do garbage shit. Why are people still giving money to EA/Blizzard despite the constant scandals and controversies?? Vote with your dollars people.
I'm someone who paid 150 bucks for the EOD edition because I loved how unique this game was and wanted to fully support these scrapy indie devs and their vision. What a slap in the fucking face this whole situation is.
@@spugspence8607 You have to pay like 15 dollars for the first three missions in the story mode iirc i dont tend to play bad games unironically, so I wouldnt know if they changed the price since it was added, but its blizzard, so im guessing they havent, cause they really like stepping on their fanbase like if they were a small brown stain on the floor, and for some reason their fanbase seems to like it
What's absolutely BAFFLING to me is the mental hoop Nikita Banana had to go through to suggest BSG has not the Network capacity for all EODs to play Co-Op. It makes no sense. He states EOD users can have Co-Op for 6 months. But they don't have the capacity to give it to all EOD users for longer because they don't have the capacity and will have to wait for 1.0 (whenever that is gonna be) to receive it for free. That's like a theme park adding a new rollercoaster and along with it a VIP ticket at almost double the price of entry. A lot of visitors wanted this and been looking forward to this for a long time. Then they tell the visitors that they can't use the coaster right now, they can't because accomodate all the customers that are here for it, only the VIP's will get that now, until they finish constructing a long enough queue in the future. Then all the customers that have been false advertised to get mad and suddenly they go like: "Ok, ok, you can get in now with the VIP's but only for this first week. Then it will be for VIP's only. It clearly works as intended RIGHT NOW or else you couldn't even provide this compromise...
Not only that, but server capacity on a PvE mode is also stupid, just as much as D4 loading all stash tabs of all players you can see, if it's a PvE mode, just make one of the players the host, like a lot of other games do that, I call that BS, they just wanted to get more money, and thought this was a good way to do it, but they got called out, and now they're looking for excuses. I'm still waiting for Nikita to address the fact that they changed the wording on the EoD versión so they could lie about it, and denied it after... Let's hope the community doesn't drop this so easily.
Servers cost money... spinning up an instance for ONE person, or a group of people, when those instances are reserved for an average of 10 people is decimating... How is that baffling to you? I'd understand more if you were questioning why they chose to make it rely on dedicated servers, but not your inability to understand how resources aren't free, and handing out those resources for free is a net negative... and money from 8 years ago was already reinvested into the company to continue operations. None of the things mentioned are sustainable and BSG is already terrible at staying afloat while charging for variously overpriced editions of the game.
@@QQnowQQlater That's a bad take, you don't need a server for that, you can just make one of the players that enters be the host, and with that you don't need any server capacity, why would a PvE mode be connected to the server, you don't need to monitor it the same way you do with PvP, just make the PvE with the option to either create servers that you host for people to join you, or to play as solo/LAN mode, donee, server capacity problems solved. Don't try to argue with that, they just were looking for an excuse to ask for money, because they wasted the money of EoD version on making other modes like arena or the PvE mode, instead of finishing the game, and this was the perfect excuse.
I own EOD edition. I had the game for a long time, took me forever to give it a full chance. I played for 3 months straight. That's when I bought EOD. My biggest hope was getting single player coop, half the reason I bought EOD. Then they are like "here's arena, it kind of sucks, also single player is 250$, give money please!"
I am happy this came out. My friends wanted me to keep playing but I hate the hackers (vacuum hackers specifically),latency, and loading times. I loved how they changed the gunplay but It takes forever to load just to take two steps and die on lighthouse. I can use this as an excuse to finally escape tarkov.
I think he’s an incredibly strong contender for the Greatest Dunce. He had a community where 80% of them would take a Unity store asset, completely unedited, sold to them for $80, and they’d cheer and support it. And he went and ruined it. HOW DO YOU EVEN.
"I am sorry the fans and gaming community in general are experiencing these feelings." You can always tell a sincere apology from a fake one, because a sincere apology takes responsibility for the grievance. If you, say, accidentally broke a plate at a friends house and they got angry, which would you say? "I'm sorry I broke it." or "I'm sorry you're experiencing these feelings."
@@drzero8222 Black Mirror is an anthology show that creates weird dystopian realities and stories involving technology in some way. Some of the episodes are exceptional and are social commentaries on how society today is impacted and influenced by technology, the Internet, social media etc Charlie talks about EAs CEO at the time wanting to charge $1 per reload in Battlefield. It's the kind of exaggerated concept you would see in a Black Mirror episode, except its actually starting to be considered as a possible reality. It's a sign of the times with the gaming industry unfortunately, it has become so corporate and soulless.
@luhed Sounds cool though. To think the dystopian worlds we read about are coming to reality. Well, maybe cool isn't the right word, but you get my point.
It's not a win in my book, the "apology" is just the classic "I'm sorry i didn't get away with it this time".
I am baffled with the amount of people accepting it as a win...
@itz_me_aziza_21what?
It's some kinda bot I've seen it several times @@owlflame
they are brainless Whales most likely.. or actual children using their moms card
He did get away with it though. He cashed in on some people paying the 250$, now hes cashing in on other people paying the 50$ upgrade to finally giving EOD acess and still having cashed in on a bunch of people.
Classic case of a Schrödinger's Douche Bag.
Trying to argue that a poop is not a shit is my favorite quote this year
Wait, why is this hella funny. It’s like when a toddler won’t admit they shit themself when you can clearly smell it lol
Randy Marsh: Hold my 🍺
@@HamppdurAnd you can see a turd nugget slip down their pants
They’re pissing on your leg and telling you it’s raining
You need to get out more
"This is NOT DLC. I will now tell you exactly what I believe a DLC is..."
*proceeds to describe exactly what this update is, confirming its status as DLC*
Exactly, the single player mode is a major addition. He should have said DLC are small additions, like cosmetics. (he'd still be wrong, but at least with his "definition" he'd be accurate)
DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT
According to me, If you have to purchase the base game to play the DLC then it is a DLC, if not, then it's a standalone thing..but i can already see some grubby developer twisting this and naming their new releases as a seperate thing instead of calling DLC, maybe there should be a comprehensive definition of DLC
@@kanavkohli794 there is. iTS CALLED DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. thats literally what DLC stands for. its its a part of a game. thats not in the base game. its DLC.
@@DeputyFishok but what if the content doesn’t need to be downloaded? Server side updates can introduce new features without requiring a download. You’re just writing out the acronym, not explaining it.
I like how its labelled "caving" instead of "no longer breaking the law and following through on their advertised service"
Or "backpedaling and doing the bare minimum"
“Man caves to court ordered jail sentence” is not a headline any reputable paper would write lol
They’re in Russia. They won’t have any legal repercussions. The worst that could happen is people calling in chargebacks
@Sniperdaddy420 russian based but headquarters is in UK. The uk has consumer protection agencies who can levee lawsuits. They have a window to remediate and that's what we are seeing now
@@Sniperdaddy420 no, their workers are in Russia. They’re a London based company and subject to UK trade laws.
He isn't admitting it was a mistake, because it wasn't a mistake. He fully intended everything he did.
Ofc why wouldn't he? Way too many players would have bought such packages if they give them an advantage. We are all saying pay2win no one wants this, yet a skin in cod that is broken and too dark was bought millions of times. Just as an example. Milk milk milk. Mobile games style
This studio has, on numerous occasions, engaged in incredibly anti-consumer practices. Back around 2018 for example, they flat out refused to refund the game for players with zero in-game playtime when they couldn't even launch the game properly, due to the game not working on certain hardware configurations.
If your average gamer grew a backbone and boycotted these studios as they should, these business practices would disappear within a year.
Hes trying to have the mindset of an average Eastern European owner/developer in a game with a big western audience. If Tarkov had an overwhelmingly majority Russian/Eastern European audience I bet this shit would've just flown under the radar and the playerbase would've just accepted it they're used to shit like this.
@@saschaberger3212 Nobody wants P2W to exist, but if it does exist then anyone serious about competition has to engage in the practice or else they lose to those who did
Who made you RUclips's resident psychologist? It was a mistake, and you'd be hard-pressed to prove otherwise. Unless you can prove in court that he had the mens rea, then your argument is worthless.
As an EOD owner, I e-mailed one of the 3 law firms that are sueing Battlestate Games for defrauding & false advertisement.
Looking forward to the results.
There’s actually lawsuits going on against BSG over the recent Unheard Edition blunder? How come no one is covering that?
🤫🤫🤡🤡@@chrisaitan
What law firms would those be? I wanna email em too
@@justinhough3169I believe they are only in the collecting evidence phase and are waiting 30 days since that'd remove a lot of excuses the devs can make, and then bonus points if the devs dig themselves an even deeper hole and do stuff such as changing the terms on their website which is evidence this whole situation is intentional
Nothing is going to happen, especially if you live in the US. Its shitty what was done, but it wont stand in a court.
This is 2024 version of "it's not loot box, it's surprise mechanic"
Sense of pride and accomplishment
Now days it’s a cycle that never ends Man
lapland watches moist
We’ve officially escaped from Tarkov with this
good one
“I’m sorry you feel this way” is such a shit thing to say because not only it isn’t an apology but it also is a passive aggressive blame shift
I remember once when I was an edgy teenager I said something a teacher didnt like, so I had to go see the principal, who told me I had to apologize.
So I went back to the teacher and said "Im sorry i have to apologize to you" and got detention. 10/10 totally worth it.
This man is about as mature as I was when I was 14, but with less sense of humor.
In this case, that response is stupid and unjustified. In most cases as an adult, that's just life.
Yea it usually means "ur dumb for feeling this way". Though at the end of the day if u just dont pay them they will understand pretty clear
"Sorry, we don't see this extra content for the game that you have to pay for and download as DLC"
Yup, I can't comprehend how someone could be that stupid.
4 bots comment streak that's crazy. Plus yeah this is a DLC no matter from which perspective do you see it
@@p-__ your entire bloodline has less iq than the dead tick i found on my dog earlier. rot
To be fair here. IF the PVE is truely a seperate entity, aka no interaction between the 2 modes (normal tarkov PVPVE, and PVE-CO-OP). Nikita can actually get away with this. Look their two seperate games, you just get early access to the new "Game"/mode/not dlc. Still scummy, but would be doable.
But he would have to market them as such and well, i think that ship has already sailed by now.
@@kyle2455if it runs as a second program, maybe. but it is still just more content for the game escape from tarkov
“Im sorry you guys are experiencing these feelings” is crazy.
Haha ikr they honestly thought that they could get away with this shit
"i'm sorry for not realizing you would react this way" is kinda fire tbh im gonna be using that
Gaslighting 101
"And I wouldnt have gotten away with it too if it werent for you meddling kids, and your rotten dog!"
This is straight up what my pos dad says when you have a problem with him
Helldivers devs tweeted "Check out the acquisition store this week. These prices are Unheard of"
would rather spend 250 super credits on a new set of helldiver armor
Fandom: “This is a new game mode”
Nik: “That is correct”
F: “we have to pay for it and download it”
N: “That’s right”
F: “DLC means it’s content we have to download after the game released and we have to pay extra for”
N: “That makes sense to me!”
F: “So this new game mode is DLC!”
N: “It’s not DLC”
That's not my wallet
"It's not my wallet!"
Time to *escape* from their game.
Except DLC does not necessarily need to be paid for. It just needs to be extra downloadable content
Honestly surprised they didn't try to pull off some mental gymnastics by claiming the game is still in beta, and the definition of DLC is extra content released after the game released, so it being released whilst still in beta, and not after the full release, means it isn't DLC.
I was expecting them to try and pull some BS like that.
I have 0 faith in this company now and will actively avoid anything they make going forward.
Bro hit em with the “I’m sorry you think you deserve an apology”
It's along the same vein of confronting someone, and they hit you with, "I'm sorry that you feel that way."
@@lanabobana3311 So someone apologizing for hurting your feelings after you make it clear to them is wrong?
Guess it depends on what you confront them for. Like if you confront someone about denying the holocaust, then yeah... "I'm sorry that you feel that way." is an awful response.
But if someone accidentally hurt your feelings and you confront them about THAT, then that response would be perfectly fine, empathetic even.
@@Ss4Goten There's obvious nuances and context to take into consideration with that, and you're honestly just twisting it, someone apologizing for hurting your feelings and someone saying "sorry you feel that way about it" are two different things, ones more likely to be genuine, and ones a slap in the face.
@@Ss4Goten No, saying I'm sorry you feel that way is essentially just saying "Sorry you're a little baby and got your feelings hurt over nothing"
The correct way to be empathetic in a situation like that is to take responsibility, even if it was an accident, and say "I'm sorry -I- made you feel that way."
It's very nuanced but it's the difference between putting the blame entirely on the other person and almost making it seem like they're annoying you for sharing their dumb feelings with you that they shouldn't have or taking responsibility for your accident
@@veldinsparx @reaperofburgers
I see. After reading what you guys saidyou have definitely convinced me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
That whole "I'm sorry you feel that way" told me all I needed to know about Nikita.
What a poorly worded statement. You can tell he didn’t run that one by his own lawyers first. I hope he pays big time financially for this false advertising.
the next vid will be "we're sorry. we're sorry.. we're sorry!"
He's a complete douchebag
Channel Awesome ahhh apology
@@HairryTurttleneckNikita's phat ass on a fur rug
"Nikita does some more whippits here and continues" is a devastating burn
Nikita literally played the adult version of when a child says their super special shield is actually now ultra special and impervious to everything.
That’s just a silly over explanation of “arguing a poop isn’t a shit” which has been said mate don’t quit the day job lol
@@exessiv3reapertf is your problem
@@exessiv3reaper you the typa fella to get angry when people have an opinion that is different than yours.
@@exessiv3reaper You give off very heavy "picked my nose in high school and ate it" vibes.
@@yournamethere123 just saying it takes creativity to fail so spectacular and uniquely isn’t that its own accomplishment lol 😂 and I’m not an AmErIICAN SO RRY
I love how they specify the PvE mode is entirely separate on an entirely different server infrastructure yet someone has already found an exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea in PvP meaning Nikita outright lied about it being separate. Can't trust a word out of his mouth fr.
They fucking found WHAT?
@@Eggsi__An exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea incPvP meaning Nikita outright lied about it being separate.
I'm not sure how tarkov is structured so I may be wrong, but plenty of enterprise setups will have different "servers" but use the same database for convenience reasons.
@@invention64what you mentioned. It can be 2 different servers, yet same structure, so you can pass local changes from PvE mode as if they were made on PvP client. So they may be not outright lying, just laughably bad at development (intentional package switching is cybersequrity 101 and in this particular case should be easily avoidable).
Source? Any videos or evidence of this, cause if so that’s really shit
"I'm sorry you feel this way" is the most passive-agressive non-apology I've ever heard.
It's what my narcissistic (genuine napd) abusive step dad used to say *all the time* with an arrogant tone as well lol, it makes my skin crawl and tells me enough about a person
It's not as inappropriate as many people think, but it very much is a way to not apologize to someone. It's basically a polite way to tell people you have no intention of apologizing to them, but many people seem to lump it in with gaslighting (it can theoretically be used to gaslight someone, but you really can feel sorry that someone feels a certain way without being incredibly rude). Heck, I still think "I'm sorry" in response to hearing about a tragedy that happened to you is a bit offensive since a friend apologizing for something they didn't do doesn't help solve any problems, but most people seem to disagree with me.
@@Ilive_420 grammatically, it's reasonable, and in some contexts, can actually be evidence of good character. You hit the nail on the head there: it's all about tone and context. I had similar parents and it's interesting how the exact same words can count as either real love or blatant emotional abuse depending on the context and tone. It caused me a lot of trauma since it's effectively my parents saying "I'm not willing to validate your feelings" (my parents sometimes think that validating opinions is the same as agreeing with them, which is very toxic to conflate the two for what I still hope are incredibly obvious reasons).
I don't see what the big deal is with that statement (independently of the whole Tarkov situation). "I'm sorry you feel this way" is a perfectly fine apology. This is why one should never apologise, because someone will twist that and say it's not enough. I see this over and over again, people apologising and everyone not accepting it. Then what's the point? Don't apologize and just acknowledge instead. "X was a mistake" and that's it, but never say you're sorry, because people will attack you for it. As for Tarkov... I don't do multiplayer games and I'd be insane to pay 250 USD for it.
@@octavianpopescu4776 I'm sorry you feel this way.
To clarify, EOD was $175-150 after upgrading. Unheard was an additional $150 for EOD owners not $250. Now it's 70% and it's $50 upgrade even tho you'll get it free.
Nikita* went full Silicon Valley. Never go full Silicon Valley.
is that a tropic thunder reference?
@@aston8or08🤨
@@aston8or08 I believe so
Bro, this shit is common with Russian games. These guys are greedier than Silicon Valley cucks.
Im the dude, thats playin a dude, disguised as another dude!
This is the man who went to Jupiter to get more Stupider
More stupider? 🤨
Never knew anyone was that stupid to go there, but they didn't make it back 💀💀
farming likes with a lame ass comment
Who asked. My content is far superior lol!
Who asked. My content is far superior lol!
This was absolutely insane. People paid $150 for an alpha to hope for a full release and all the dlc that comes with it. Now in beta, they release Arena and PvE instead of pushing for 1.0. I hope other studios saw what happened and the backlash the devs received.
Anyone who actually thinks that the game is going to get a full, complete release is hard coping. And I'm not just saying that because of this drama either. The game has been in early access for over 7 years now and still lacks basic functionality, QOL, bugfixes, and on and on. To say nothing of all the missing features that were talked about in roadmaps and the like.
Those blue name guys are also impervious to rounds a lot of times too, I cannot explain the losses I’ve had to them today and last night. I might just stop playing for a while.
paying a 150+ for an unfinished product is crazy
I am praying this greedy attempt doesn't set a new precedent for the rest of those greedy fuckers.
@@JohnDoe-wd8rs why lie bro your just garbage at the game
We seriously need to get a lawsuit involved. One hundred percent other companies will accept this as a feasible practice if BSG gets away with this.
I like how Arrowhead made fun of this. 'True Believers can grab the CM-21 Trench Paramedic for only 250 SC, featuring increased pocket size and extra stims! (Not available for free to Super Citizens.)"
Beautiful jab at this bullshit
Bruh thats legendary
arrowhead water?
@@Alpacabowl98arrowhead are the developers of Helldivers and Helldivers 2
They've set a standard of how games should be. I've played that game more than I want to admit.
Nik's "apology" is "I'm sorry you're hurt" instead of "I'm sorry I hurt you"
Zero accountability
"I'm sorry you didn't want to give me $250 when I clearly deserve it."
Nikita could've pulled an overwatch and called it Escape From Tarkov 2 instead. Then it wouldn't be "dlc".
Dont give him ideas, or we'll be at Escape from Tarkov 11 by 2028
This was my tjought too. He could have totally got around it by making a separate game. To be fair to blizzard though they didn't charge $250 for overwatch 2.
Can you release a sequel while the first game is still in beta?
@@leezeebub Why couldnt you? Theres no laws against being greedy.
Do NOT give him ideas
I'm reminded of an episode of Rocko's Modern Life, they are driving up the road and see all these advertisements for a ski resort that "everything is $5" and they get there and pay the entry fee and get inside to find out that "every THING is $5"
''This is trying to explain, a poop is not a shit.''
-Charlie.
This man is gifted.
His eloquence is impeccable
That's not gift that's just highschool potty humor lol
@@applejuice9468and are you arguing it isn't funny? Cuz it is
@@Bupboy It's moderately funny, but charlie just isn't the humor genius that he once was. A husk now
It's stops being funny when it's used to pad out a video lie this so often, this video could have been 8 minutes and very little would be different
Nikita straight up looting our corpse and heading for the extraction point
lmao 😂
Little does he know, that's where me and my boys are chilling.
😂
He also t-bagged us before leaving.
"I'm sorry that you died, I did not foresee you're death to be something bad to me"
I don't even follow Tarkov (not my type of game) so I legit thought Charlie was talking about some in-game currency to purchase this DLC when he said "250 clams". But when he said it again as "250 dollars" I was floored. That's full price for 4 games plus tax. What kind of unchecked greed could make anyone think that's a good idea?
and it is closer to 325 dollars after tax in europe
What are they smoking holy moly
@@hoogashack5588 To me it's so stupid that some countries allow prices to not add taxes... It's just misleading the customer.
@@hoogashack5588 at least you guys have free healthcare 🥲
And that’s if you don’t even own the EOD edition which nobody even seems to be talking about
2:34 "This is like trying to argue that a poop is not a shit."
I've just found my new favourite Charlie quote. Literally my exact thoughts on this whole situation; bravo!
This is such a classic. Controversial person doubles down, finds out it's negatively affecting their career, then Hard 180 degree backtracks with an "apology".
He isn't even pretending to be sorry tho. Which is actually kinda refreshing.
They never learn. These bigwigs seem to think it won't happen to them and are always wrong.
with a classic "im sorry you were butt hurt by my scam" apology
@@yurifairy2969well that's _one_ thing im respecting mr. muscle-car-owning "will will we will wil will" for
i feel people are completely overlooking the fact that they often set prices through the roof or promise things. and then look like good guys when they 'fix' the problem to be more reasonable after generating some news/drama. there 'fix' is just to adjust things to what they originally planned. sell item for 60 dollars? naw double it and sell it 50% off. its a sale, businesses do this all the time in the physical world
DLC literally stands for "downloadable content." If it is content that you download, it is DLC.
Nikita bein like "nooo its just content that you downloaded that have to pay to access, not content you pay for then have access to download! Its totally different i swear!"
Preach it loud and proud
😂😂😂
but you dont download anything, you just unlock the feature, that is the thing, as soon as you buy the edition nothing but the Edition title updates to "Unheard Edition" and its unlocked, it was a 60mb update when the patch came out with the armor rework and the addition of the two new items and background, its literally already on everyones pc regardless of version
@@prettygood476still content that, at one point or another, you had to download
At the end of the day, this man isn't scamming random people, he's scamming his own supporters and community that put him and his game on the map to even make money in the first place. I was considering picking it up but that turned into a complete 0% chance now. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, plain and simple.
This games advertising is done by their players, I’ve never seen an ad for it.
@Some_Dingus1. Cheaters don’t buy from EFT website. 2. That “executive that sells cheats” is a tarkov tinfoil theory with 0 proof to back it
You were considering buying a game made by a random guy? Your video game collection must be full of niche, hipster titles. You're trying too hard to give people the impression that you're a nonconformist.
@@jeshegames I feel like I might have seen a RUclips ad a while back when it was first coming out, maybe a trailer? Not entirely sure, but you're right they're shooting their only supporters in the back.
@@RobbieStacks90 What the hell is this comment? Garry's Mod was made by a random guy and that game is absolutely huge. Same with Minecraft, one random dude.
"I'm sorry you feel that way" is such an insane introduction in a statement.
Thank you for covering this, Charlie.
The sad thing is that they probably were aware of the incoming backlash and they did it anyway.
I refuse to believe the ignorance they’re obviously trying to hide behind.
I love your videos
FairTX please have my children
I love your videos man, its such a shame the game has turnt out this way.
"DLC adds functionality. PVE is functionality. Therefore paying for PVE is not DLC."
I just... WHAT.
Loophole logic goes crazyyy
objection your honour
@@digplayz5740sustained...proceed
“We are adding PVE which is functionality added to the game, but it’s not dlc which adds functionality”
“Every minute sixty seconds pass”
Fun fact, in sweden we can report this to konsumentverket as this breaks EU law. All the changes to EoD and coming changes are all illegal in the EU.
but are they not hq in britain and russia?
@@Michael-dj6pd HQ in EU beholden to EU laws
@vBurnedWins Neither Russia nor the UK are in the EU
@@Michael-dj6pd If they sell to a market, then they have to abide by the local laws for sale to that country. So if they sell their game in the EU it needs to abide by EU laws for those sales.
@@Slyfox718 uk still has laws around this that theyre very very much beholden to
"we don't consider this DownLoadable Content as DLC. sorry y'all feel bad, Imma nerf some items"
Reminds me of that time Bethesda came up with the "Creation Club" (paid mods) and when everyone called them out on it, Pete Hines came out and said that "They weren't paid mods, they're mini-DLC". So when the people reminded him that they promised that all DLC would be included in the Season Pass he just went radio silent 😂
It also reminds me of when he said 76 would have no season pass or paid DLC. Then they turned around and released Fallout 1st.
They got away with it because Bethesda fans are tools
It also reminds me of EA saying "It's not Lootboxes, it's surprise mechanics."
And I haven't heard from the ketchup man since.
Then again whenever I hear Toddy boy speak my brain automatically scrubs his existence from my mind. Bethesda's been dead to me for years. I just expect negative quality from them at this point. Nothing they do will fix it.
@@MorfsPrower i really don't know why people are excited by the prospect of an elder scrolls 6. have they even SEEN how bad recent bethesda releases are?
You know like 10-15 years ago all of this content would just be added into the game for free for everyone
Those were the days fr
@itz_me_aziza_21 ?
@@lukesheppard2195 spam bot. Report em and ignore em.
@@lukesheppard2195it’s a bot, nothing less, nothing more
Hell 5 years ago it woulda been too, since it’s not one of the BIG BIG studios making the game
I honestly think that the false advertising could create a mass lawsuit. I don't even play Tarkov but man that's fucked up. Vote with your wallets guys.
no it couldn't
If only everybody started voting with their wallet. How hard is it to abstain from funneling money into these types of game companies.
@@AceHumanyeah agreed i dont know who would pay that much for a game nevermind a DLC
If there was a case, you wouldnt even need to Start anything.
Lawyers would already have reached out and get ads out to join the lawsuit.
@@Dogspine1 It's blatant fraud of product, it's absolutely going to be litigated
The “BS” in BSG has a whole new meaning now to me.
The thing about anything he promises that says "when the game releases" is that escape from tarkov has been in beta for 8+ years so we really don't know if it will ever be "released"
nikita said it himself. "you can keep a game in beta state for atleast 5 years to justify bad mechanics and malfunctions." source: /watch?v=aGauDp2cYNQ
i remember there was a reason games keep in beta, fortnite still is i believe?
@@benlt02 no it stopped being in beta 4 years ago
@@benlt02that was several years ago
@@kimani-di5ch ah fair enough still that was 3 years in sat in beta and warframe I’m pretty sure still is
Nikita giving off BIG sociopath energy by somehow finding a way to take no responsibility for his decisions and hitting his community with a big "I'm sorry you feel that way."
Its not even a Red Flag, it is a "Get up and leave" Flag.
Don't insult sociopaths by comparing them to him. At least some of them would be smart enough to figure out this is a bad idea.
He has showed you who he is. Anyone who trusts him after all this is pretty much asking to get shafted. Abandon this con and play something else; something that isn’t giving off this dealing out the back of his van with a beretta stuffed in his pants vibe.
@@NotSylvanUnfortunately: They’re probably Tarkov’s biggest fans and the first ones who spotted the con.
EXACTLY - this is what I've been saying everywhere. It's not an apology. It's like you slap someone, and instead of apologizing for laying hands on them you say "I'm sorry that you're upset about being slapped."
ESO pulled the same thing since subscribers were supposed to get all DLC free so they started calling new major DLC "chapters" and claimed they were not DLC so subs had to pay for them
Is this an older thing? Cause currently eso+ has access to every dlc and chapter during its duration
@@rimanahbvee This is definitely an older thing. You get everything for ESO+ a year late, around that time you can buy the deluxe collection separately for like $25.
@@mando_dablord2646 i think you get access to current stuff aswell no? like gold road when it comes out, eso+ users should get access no?
@@rimanahbveeyou don’t get the current chapter with a sub you either have to buy it or wait until a new chapter releases to access it.
@@Maleegi ahh i see ty
So thankful to have Charlie to inform people in the community about important issues like this who may have missed it for whatever reason.
The worst part about it is the community is split. Theres one half thats pissed, and another that is "Just stop being poor.".
and this is why games continue to fail , we have fake gamers spending money and dumb stuff like this. in my eyes supporting this behavior means you’re not really a gamer tbh
@@SorrowsPeace naw man your assumption on what a "gamer" is wrong . we dont even know because "gamers" have been everything, from nerds to athletes and all types of walks of life
@@SorrowsPeace"If you buy things like this youre not a gamer" so damn corny and just wrong. Things like these ridiculous prices are silly but saying people arent gamers for spending their money is a bit silly.
@@sleebees if that’s what you believe.. read the room dude.
@@SorrowsPeace Saying they're not real gamers is kind of goofy, but they're definitely mentally fragmented lol. 1. spending that much money for a DLC that barely adds anything is nuts and 2. most of them are pretentious douchebags saying "Hurrrr stop complaining and get some money"
"I'm sorry you feel that way..."
Wow. If anyone, ever gives this dude another cent, they deserve it.
no one deserves that like scamming someone who's stupid is still wrong
@@-psilo-9071 Nope, if someone punches you in the face once, and you think "he wont punch me again" as you go near him without your hands up and you get punched in the face. You hella deserved that right hook.
and no one said what he did wasnt wrong, did you just blew in from stupid town?
@@-psilo-9071lets just say Logan Paul makes another crypto project and SOMEONE WHO WAS SCAMMED FROM CRYPTOZOO (not just anyone) goes in again and get scammed again.
yes Logan Paul is still the evil one here but at some point….you know….they kinda seen it coming
the thing is, the company itself is shitty but the product, the game is unique. there is no other game like tarkov. the firearms are insanely well detailled. the ballistics, the mechanic. this game is truly a gem...
I can't escape from tarkov.
Just make sure you zip up charlie when you are done okay sweetie. lol.
"I did not foresee the community's reaction" You definitely did foresee, you just didn't have the balls to handle it
“I’m sorry you guys are experiencing these feelings” is the exact same as when that job you hated told you “I’m sorry you feel that way” right before you quit. Though it won’t happen, imagine the change they’d implement and offer if even just 25% of their player base completely quit the game and didn’t play it at all in 2024.
It's only streamers and cheaters. Idk why people keep giving this game more money. He actively encourages rmt and cheating. The main revenue stream of BSG is people buying new accounts to cheat. The game has been confirmed to have cheaters in about 80% of maps. It's disgusting.
Ridiculous that they are even selling this PVE mode, knowing that they don't have enough capacity to even hold all the players who purchased it.
Because they want the money, not actually because they wanna make the game big
If anything, a PvE mode would be LESS intensive since they don't have to pay to keep their servers up for online play.
It's supposed to be CHEAPER and they're charging $150 for it?! The main game is already full-priced!
And wth, why planning for DLC when the game is still in EARLY ACCESS?!
Just pure greed.
@@ta_0001no way in hell you are trying to rationalize this.
They are doing it to compete with the single player tarkov mod
@@logandarnell8946 I don't think they were rationalizing it, just pointing out that it's sadly a trend in the gaming industry.
All of his responses read as "im not crazy, all of you are crazy"
Being Stupider than John Riccitiello is an accomplishment of its own
I'm not sure if there's anyone even capable of being even greedier than these two. Let's hope there isn't
Nah, tbh i dont anybody is capable of beating the "pay a dollar every time you want to reload your gun" concept, cause that shit is literally straight out of meme EA slander, and that guy seriously wanted it to be a reality
What makes it worse is that tarkov players are die hard members of that community and a lot of them treat it as their main game- then Nikita just shits on them for their loyalty to his studio
"I'm sorry you feel that way"
That is like punching me and say, "I'm sorry your face is hurt."
Every time we think it couldn’t get worse, it does and that’s so terrifying to imagine what could possibly occur next
watching from the sidelines makes it more exciting
just how much can one dude worsen things more than they already are
@DontReadMyPicture93 Ok I wont
@@COMMODOOSAdo you know what tyranny means? You could have said greed and actually make sense
I was playing a game of Insurgency Sandstorm a while back on the PvE mode, and while we were waiting for the round start we were chatting, and someone asked if we played Tarkov. One guy said no, since hackers were so abundant in game. The guy challenged him on it, said maybe it wasn’t so bad and the devs were working on it.
This guy then had us join his personal discord server, wherein he provided screenshots from a game hacking server he was a member of. The screenshots were of leaked code and patch information from Tarkov that could assist with workarounds for the new patch. Thing is, the leaks on the server were dated ONE WEEK before the patch actually dropped.
Tarkov has been screwed for years from the inside, so this is just digging the hole a little deeper than it already was.
I mean, just do a search for Tarkov cheats and look at their public Discords. There are multiple that have literally *thousands* of active members at basically all points of the day.
Insurg sandstorm is a fire game, fire as it lights my laptop on fire and it's good
fact checked into oblivion lmao
every fps game has cheaters out the ass right now tarkovs just bad because rmt cod literally has cheaters in every lobby
@@SportySpice2004 i will see your tarkov and cod and raise you a counter strike. cs2 doesnt even have anti cheat. its fucking hilarious.
“Hey, man, did you blow over from Stupidtown?” - Some fish from Spongebob
The awful thing about this whole entire situation, is that the price still hasnt changed. The game industry does this sooo often: taking 2 steps towards shitty business practices, the community complain and there is massive backlash, so they take 1 step backwards. The community rejoices, but sometimes fail to realise that they still took that one step! The fact that a game sells a 250 dollar dlc is absolutely insane to me, and if they get away with this, it wont be good for players of any game in the futute
I remember when people made fun of horse armor.
@@TheSuperappelflap goeie tijden
It's insane. They're so focused on "ok we'll add a few new perks to it!"
Okay... Doesn't change the fact the price tag is actually mr. krabs tier greed.
Apparently hackers have figured out how to invade these PVE raids. So people paid $250 to avoid cheaters just to get killed by cheaters. 😂
Source?
Nah they haven’t done that, although knowing BSG it’ll happen lol. What’s happening is some cheats allow cheaters to see if people have purchased the unheard edition and they’re purposefully hunting them 😭
Thats sauce @@Lionel-Goodfellow
@@tonydelia629Based Cheaters 😂
Yea it's a dude on Twitter saying they found a way (it's tied to people inviting others into their pve lobby apparently), knowing BSG's coding track record I wouldn't be completely surprised but there's nothing other than someone saying "we found a way".
He isn't swallowing any pride. He is doing the bare minimum that his legal department has said has to be done.
Factual
0:39 ohhhhhh morbius burn 🔥
The insane pricing model currently used by the games industry makes people forget that $150 for a pre-alpha game 7 years ago was astronomically high. $250 is just ludicrous.
Inflation!!!
@@JoeMartinez18 That’s not inflation, that’s extortion.
I can't even remember when even that was acceptable. Even in recent years, people seemed to only tolerate retail release price for early access games. I didn't even want to pay $60 for early access BG3 just because it was early access, and it ended up being one of the hottest games of the year so I'd have gotten my money's worth.
Greed really appears to have driven these decisions, betraying the community. This is a harsh lesson for the gaming industry.
Cocain is one hell of a drug
Umm, is it? We've had numerous instances of excessive greed and I haven't seen a real change in the industry. They just keep trying and see what they can come up with next. And the worst part is, they just get fired from one company and go to work to another to make other stupid decisions. Riccitiello for example went from EA (tried to make people pay to reload guns) to Unity (tried to make developers pay for each installation of their games) and he's still a board member of a few gaming related organizations (e.g. ESRB). The real problem is this: "problematic" people like Riccitiello keep holding positions of power in the industry
A lesson AAA industry refuses to learn
@@tearenn3046 and why do you think that is?
I dont see a learning curve...
I think this guy visited their lawyer to get support for his spin about downloadable content that isn't DLC, but that meeting didn't go as well as he expected.
Thanks for covering this so much, Charlie. Nikita needs to stop trying to kill his game.
2:22 they be charging hundreds for something which they don't even consider a "major addition"...
Its similar to war thunders high tier premium vehicles (you buy those so you can grind more easly (it still takes a shit ton of time to grind) ) and if you want to get a premium for a ground, air or helicopter tree for a certain nation (there are) you have to fork over 50 euro for the helicopters and 70 euro for the jets and tanks, charging triple A pricing for a single item in game that helps you grind out 1/10 nations and 1/5 of the stuff that nation has to offer is insane
@@croatiandude8884scarcity and desperate times really run this world man….its sad..
My friend is pre-law and said that this lawsuit would be so easy, he could win it.
He pointed out, they literally admit in this post that they were selling something they knew they couldn't support. By saying they don't have the "infrastructure" that means they were willingly selling a product they have admitted they know they can't provide right now. Even if they argued "well if it's just for the unheard edition", they have no idea just how many of those editions they would have sold. Say it was a huge success and everyone and their mother bought the Unheard Edition, could they then not support it?
It's so ironic in the post that was meant to "fix" everything is probably going to be the best evidence used against them in a fraud/false advertising court
genuine question here, who would be the one suing them for this false advertising? Like can a random player do that or it needs to be a big org?
The issue with fighting them, is they have money to drag it out. And you would enough people to want to fight, and help the case.
@@nguyenhoanglan3751 it would have to be a class action law suit.
playing a bit lf a devil's advocate: That's technically not true, since its impossible to guarantee that game's server will allow for a unknown amount of players to simply connect to all of the sudden. Many many multiplayer games have tried and failed, during launch, to do that, though not all of them
@@nguyenhoanglan3751 It would be a class action thing from my understanding
I love how he describes what a dlc is, then claims the dlc isn't a dlc because of this definition, then proceeds to describe the dlc by infact describing a dlc
"I'm sorry, that you feel, that you deserve an apology. ."
Reminds me of how the Payday devs said they'd never do microtransactions....and then they added skins that had stats attached to them that came from lootboxes.
payday went missing and then came back to die hard it felt like😂
having their customers already paying 150 euros for their game means they already had liquid gold and they got even more greedy.
this is so wild
EA's thousand dollars in The Sims DLCs has entered the chat.
go look at the game its not 150$
This is why a lot of games become bad or fall off after they get popular. After a little success devs start seeing only dollar signs instead of actually improving the game.
The game actually has had ton of improvements lately. They decided to be snakey and try to cash in on the momentum of those QOL updates. People are not that stupid lol
@@dreamwireless8513 they could have gotten away with a 150$ price tag if they made it so EoD people still got it for free and didnt try to find a loophole. People are stupid but they freak out a lot more once they finally realize they've been manipulated.
more like overly ambitious devs realize their project's goals are way out of the scope of what modern technology can do, Streets of Tarkov runs like ass if you don't have the newest best CPU.
Triple A devs specifically. Most indie devs are fine.
@@eugenekrabs141indie devs like their job, some of these ceo types are just greedy
Fun fact! The day they announced this edition, a competitor started its beta testing
worst part is they cant even argue that its not dlc and wont give it to us - because they already gave us arena which is a standalone game
Yea they’ve given us so much more as a “dlc” then immediately step back when they see the possibility of getting more money. Fucking braindead.
Thats why they tried to secretly change the wording on their website. It previously said "all futute dlcs (like arena)" now it says "all future dlcs" so, single player even was categorized as a dlc in their own wording on their website, but had to change it after announcing this to try and slip it under the radar. Scummy scam tactics.
Hmm I don't think that's the worst part
Imagine being a dev who worked on the DLC, went to work everyday to make an update that people will enjoy just to find out no one will play it because corporate wants to charge silly money for it that you will never see a penny of despite being the ones who actually put in the work.
That doesn't make any sense. The employees are paid to develop a product. If no products sell, they get laid off.
Where did you think their money comes from? Santa? It comes from the products that they develop.
@@bluedistortions So you are saying they are laid off because of poor decisions from the company, and it's fair to the developers. I understand that they have to be laid off to cut costs, but it's still an awful thing to do to employees.
@@bluedistortions or... they could just charge a reasonable price instead of $250 and then people can enjoy the product, the dev's can get paid and corporate can make their profits??? Are you good??
Edge of Darkness (EoD) version was the unlimited version that included all future DLCs and content. The EoD version was 4-5 times as much as the base game to play and don't forget the game is still in beta. "Unheard" edition is a bait-and-switch on all EoD purchasers basically saying "no, you don't have the 'best' version anymore pay us more."
In what world is 150/4 50
@@eeeeeeee543 at least dudes' heart is in the right place, not his math though
@@eeeeeeee543I paid 250 for eod
@@sicskillz12 talking about USD rn
@@eeeeeeee543 me too $250
I lost my shit at the "Wheres the apology for being greedy .... Et. Al. "
LMFAO THANK YOU
$150 is CE pricing. Unless it's buying retro games from a reseller or certain modern games from scalpers, who's going to blow $150 on _a single game,_ let alone a _game mode?_
I bought Wii Sports for more than that. The good thing is, it was in a big box and gave a free Nintendo Wii with it, so that was nice 😁
@@TomJakobW funny man
I don't know, go ask Star Citizen players.
$150 before was def worth it. This is a game you could easily get a couple thousand hours on and have plenty to do or learn. You would also in theory never have to pay for anything in tarkov ever again. That price tag guaranteed all future dlc and also provided you with a starting secure container of 3x3 instead of a 2x3 for the next highest version. This is significant bc the main mechanic of tarkov is you go into a raid with gear, get valuable loot, and leave. The secure container lets you put items from your raid into a place that you will keep even if you die. The $150 version of the game gave you 3 more slots to do this than the next highest game edition and 5 more than the base edition. There are other quality of life features but for those 2 reasons alone it made the price tag worth it.
To be fair people do blow a lot more than that on microtransactions and dlc but not on only 1 package, usually they just buy a bunch of 20$ stuff and adds up.
The future DLC will probably have 2 versions. A basic version and a full version. Both will be sold but they will 100% push the full version. They’ll give the basic version to EOD holders and say “you got the DLC, you want more and it will be an upgrade charge!” While also pushing the more expensive full version everywhere.
Isn't that still misleading though? Just because there's two versions doesn't magically make one DLC and the other not.
All they need to do is sell shitty skins it's not difficult and everyone is happy.
it still makes me boil seeing the "access to all subsequent dlcs" message swapped from the EOD edition to the unheard edition
How much you wanna bet they gonna add a more expensive unheard version? Hidden fees version, your first bullet in every game can one tap and instant kill.
imagine trying to charge someone.... to reload
Look, I'm cool with companies doing whatever (as long as they are upfront about it) because it's their product.
So if they're being subversive, then yeah it's shit. But the point I want to bring up the community needs to have a bigger responsibility in not supporting companies that do garbage shit.
Why are people still giving money to EA/Blizzard despite the constant scandals and controversies?? Vote with your dollars people.
Wait. did he really mean to reload your in-game weapon, or reload the game to reinstall?
@@jbrou123 Reload the weapon
@@NN-sp9tuur joking right ?
@@NN-sp9tu Damn, I'd have to file for bankruptcy! I'm a reload opportunist, the kind of player that shoots twice, then reloads if it's safe to do so.
I'm someone who paid 150 bucks for the EOD edition because I loved how unique this game was and wanted to fully support these scrapy indie devs and their vision. What a slap in the fucking face this whole situation is.
"Scrappy indie devs" bro they're subsidized by oligarchs and Russian paramilitary groups
@@CircusFoxxo seriously why dont people research before throwing money
Thats what you get for trusting a russian
@itz_me_aziza_21 damn that is impressive... congrats.
Yeah.. I'm enjoying spt now and they have the mpt mod that makes it co op lmao fuck BSG
the ceo is literally annoyed he cant outright scam his player base
Who wouldn't be upset from being scammed? Even if I were to be scammed a penny, I would still be upset.
They already have 3 court appearances in May by video in Canada, US and UK
If you add anything to a game its either a:
1. Patch
2. Update
3. DLC
And of course
4. An additional game mode that isn't a DLC
Have you heard of overwatch?
@@thaoster209pretty sure you don't pay for additional game modes in that
@@thaoster209 This would be like if OW's training mode was only available for those that an upgraded edition of the game for another $50.
@@spugspence8607 You have to pay like 15 dollars for the first three missions in the story mode iirc
i dont tend to play bad games unironically, so I wouldnt know if they changed the price since it was added, but its blizzard, so im guessing they havent, cause they really like stepping on their fanbase like if they were a small brown stain on the floor, and for some reason their fanbase seems to like it
@@Axeeco ah I see I was wrong. I only played the first so didn't know the second one was doing it payed
What's absolutely BAFFLING to me is the mental hoop Nikita Banana had to go through to suggest BSG has not the Network capacity for all EODs to play Co-Op.
It makes no sense.
He states EOD users can have Co-Op for 6 months.
But they don't have the capacity to give it to all EOD users for longer because they don't have the capacity and will have to wait for 1.0 (whenever that is gonna be) to receive it for free.
That's like a theme park adding a new rollercoaster and along with it a VIP ticket at almost double the price of entry.
A lot of visitors wanted this and been looking forward to this for a long time.
Then they tell the visitors that they can't use the coaster right now, they can't because accomodate all the customers that are here for it,
only the VIP's will get that now,
until they finish constructing a long enough queue in the future.
Then all the customers that have been false advertised to get mad and suddenly they go like:
"Ok, ok, you can get in now with the VIP's but only for this first week. Then it will be for VIP's only.
It clearly works as intended RIGHT NOW or else you couldn't even provide this compromise...
or they just don't know lolfao
Seriously good point I hope more see this comment
Not only that, but server capacity on a PvE mode is also stupid, just as much as D4 loading all stash tabs of all players you can see, if it's a PvE mode, just make one of the players the host, like a lot of other games do that, I call that BS, they just wanted to get more money, and thought this was a good way to do it, but they got called out, and now they're looking for excuses.
I'm still waiting for Nikita to address the fact that they changed the wording on the EoD versión so they could lie about it, and denied it after... Let's hope the community doesn't drop this so easily.
Servers cost money... spinning up an instance for ONE person, or a group of people, when those instances are reserved for an average of 10 people is decimating... How is that baffling to you? I'd understand more if you were questioning why they chose to make it rely on dedicated servers, but not your inability to understand how resources aren't free, and handing out those resources for free is a net negative... and money from 8 years ago was already reinvested into the company to continue operations. None of the things mentioned are sustainable and BSG is already terrible at staying afloat while charging for variously overpriced editions of the game.
@@QQnowQQlater That's a bad take, you don't need a server for that, you can just make one of the players that enters be the host, and with that you don't need any server capacity, why would a PvE mode be connected to the server, you don't need to monitor it the same way you do with PvP, just make the PvE with the option to either create servers that you host for people to join you, or to play as solo/LAN mode, donee, server capacity problems solved.
Don't try to argue with that, they just were looking for an excuse to ask for money, because they wasted the money of EoD version on making other modes like arena or the PvE mode, instead of finishing the game, and this was the perfect excuse.
I own EOD edition. I had the game for a long time, took me forever to give it a full chance. I played for 3 months straight. That's when I bought EOD. My biggest hope was getting single player coop, half the reason I bought EOD. Then they are like "here's arena, it kind of sucks, also single player is 250$, give money please!"
Best part about cases like this are that even if all of the bullshit was reverted, goodwill is gone.
I am happy this came out. My friends wanted me to keep playing but I hate the hackers (vacuum hackers specifically),latency, and loading times. I loved how they changed the gunplay but It takes forever to load just to take two steps and die on lighthouse. I can use this as an excuse to finally escape tarkov.
Meanwhile in an alternate timeline: $250 horse armor
The sorry you feel that way feels like the skit with the CEO of BP after the oil spill by South Park.
I think he’s an incredibly strong contender for the Greatest Dunce. He had a community where 80% of them would take a Unity store asset, completely unedited, sold to them for $80, and they’d cheer and support it. And he went and ruined it.
HOW DO YOU EVEN.
"I am sorry the fans and gaming community in general are experiencing these feelings."
You can always tell a sincere apology from a fake one, because a sincere apology takes responsibility for the grievance. If you, say, accidentally broke a plate at a friends house and they got angry, which would you say?
"I'm sorry I broke it."
or
"I'm sorry you're experiencing these feelings."
Its a soziopath... for real
Im sorry your plate got in the way of my face
Having a mini transaction to reload a gun in a game is a concept you would see in a Black Mirror episode lol
Could you explain what this is about?
@@drzero8222 Black Mirror is an anthology show that creates weird dystopian realities and stories involving technology in some way. Some of the episodes are exceptional and are social commentaries on how society today is impacted and influenced by technology, the Internet, social media etc
Charlie talks about EAs CEO at the time wanting to charge $1 per reload in Battlefield.
It's the kind of exaggerated concept you would see in a Black Mirror episode, except its actually starting to be considered as a possible reality.
It's a sign of the times with the gaming industry unfortunately, it has become so corporate and soulless.
@luhed Sounds cool though. To think the dystopian worlds we read about are coming to reality. Well, maybe cool isn't the right word, but you get my point.
“Chiaotzu on Napa, just self destructing” had me howling 😂