Makes sence Warren ,thanks for sharing .u are a walking encyclopedia. Very knowledgeable. Thanks for all that you do. As I've said before .I'm always learning from you. Very much appreciate it. Take care out there, safe travels. You are so right . Tough times are coming
Thanks Warren for posting so many video's lately, especially when it means a longer day to edit and upload. I have learned some new thing's watching your video's, and i appreciate that you take the time to explain how all these different machine's work, and what is truly junk, or good. G-d bless you and yours everyone.
A man could drive himself nuts chasing problems around after somebody else has been there changing things around. My hats off to you sir, nice job, some common sense applied to the issue, thanks for the ride along Warren.
Great job Warren. You made my head spin, but I understood what you were doing by the end! You're a wizard at diagnosing problems. Thanks for sharing the videos. We appreciate the time you are spending editing these videos.
Hallelujah, I could keep up with where you were going on the diagnosis and understood the logic on seeking the solution. Your grasp of the mechanical and electrical spectrums is renown and on this one I suddenly realized you are equally adept at the foibles of humans. Knowing you were number two at the scene and number one had added to his woes was good catch and a time/money saver.
I am a visual guy so I would take a sheet of paper to diagram the switch controls and the controllers. As someone else mentioned every controller would be painted with numbers. One good controller then is used to mark its effectiveness in other slots, just as you did. I would use paper to log it so that all attempted configurations have been recorded. But you just log it all in your head and always get the right result. That is amazing!
Using can bus and other end point multiplexed controllers is actually a good idea as it cuts down on the amount of wiring needed in a vehicle or piece of equipment. Instead of having a bunch of high current drivers all mounted in a central location like a single ecu or control module they are spread out around the vehicle or piece of equipment. When a high current driver fails in a ecu the entire ecu becomes trash. It also makes the diagnosis of problems easier as long the technician has a understanding of can control protocols. Many cars and trucks began using networked modules to control individual components starting in the mid 2000s. For example many cars and trucks use networked door control modules which greatly reduced the amount of wiring needed to operate everything. Instead of having 20 or more individual wires going to each car door for all of the different controls it can be done with just 2 power wires and 2 data wires. It can also greatly simplify the diagnostic process by allowing a problem to immediately be narrowed down to a specific point or section. On some newer vehicles I have seen all of the rear lights operated from a single rear lighting module with just 4 wires from the body control module. There is many advantages to networked control systems.
Many disadvantages too. Gotta weight them out and play them out on the appliance they’re on. Farm equipment, that NEEDS to run and run right when it’s go time shouldn’t be subject to complete failure because of cost savings in production, especially when the final price reflects more than it would cost to run things in a more individual manner. You probably don’t know this or have experience with it but, when it’s harvest time or even planting time, there is only a small window of time to get it done. That small window is the difference between making money or losing money. Also, ag and construction are extremely hard on equipment. Again, you probably don’t know this. Sitting on a bench in climate controlled indoor areas it all works great. In reality, you get some goober in the seat of these machines that live and operate in extreme harsh conditions that aren’t very forgiving or like a climate controlled, clean nice comfortable environment. Yeah sure the idea of having all this done with less wires and crap “sounds good” but in reality, a stack of wires is better suited for the environment than sensitive, fragile electronics that require more skill and experience to keep up and running. Better yet, a bunch of rods, linkages and levers are much better suited. It’s already proven. Let’s look at all the older machines that built out world. They are still going just fine and most of the time you can scab together a repair with what’s on hand to get you where you gotta be. CANBUS, not a chance. It’s cheaper and easier to manufacture this cheaply built equipment yet they sell them them for more than what they’re worth. Yeah sure it saves weight but in a game where weight is good, it doesn’t make any sense to use weight saving production techniques. There wouldn’t be such a need for extra weights on tractors if they were built to last. It all comes down to the almighty dollar.
150/hr. 160 if you watch, 170 if you help. 250 if you’ve worked on it before. I’m also very concerned moving forward how many of these electronic parts will go obsolete and render expensive machines scrap.
Thanks Warren Ever since there has been a push in the automotive. utility, agriculture and construction equipment for the canbus drive by wire systems, it is now being shown how sensitive that type of controls are to vibration, wetness, extreme temperatures, poor harness connectors and and grounds that are insufficient. Every mechanic is now running into these problems now that the lifecycle of the equipment has reached so many hours of use and abuse. Oh do not forget the vermin that get to munching on the electrical harnesses. Watch Mr. O on the South Main automotive channel when he gets into troubleshooting the Canbus systems on the more modern cars, where the dealer technicians fail to diagnose the problem after charging several bucks to the customer. I used to go regularly to the South Georgia Moultrie Agricultural Expo every Fall as a vacation/learning event for 4 days and I kept asking the machine builders why they walked away from the regular two-wire controls to a controls network and all I could get was it was "cheaper" to build that way with all the electronic logic modules (controllers). If we had PLC control systems in manufacturing that were that sensitive the end users would stand up and say get it fixed or we are going to use someone else's products. There does not seem there are enough choices or the end users voices are not pooled because everyone is an independent business/entity. Your dollars are the only thing it seems that might get listened to when it comes to forcing changes. You all take care out there in 2023 and make sure you are going far enough in your thinking/planning to have plans (B, C, and D) for back up actions. It is going to be an interesting year we are in 2023!
Just watching it now, excellent piece of work , soon as I saw the numbers of actuators and the valves I thought 5 times 5 times 5 possible combinations of daft artifacts, I hate people playing swapping stuff, there are 5 times 5 possible combinations with 5 times that possible errors just by swapping wires, it's an addressable module wonderful idea
Great last comment Warren.Park the piece due to no more parts.It has happened in the car/light truck end.No electronic parts for older vehicles.Some shops will not even work on stuff that is older than 2005 with anything electronic related.
Thats a nice little problem solving exercise Warren. Makes it worse when someone has been Messing with it first 😕. Great to see your approach to the faults .
Another Great Video. It’s amazing how much is electronic controlled. What was wrong with 5 cables, going to 5 Remote Valves. I hear Big Bud is making tractors again, C18 Cat Powertrain. Wonder if they will use electronic valve or something else. Thanks for sharing your experience and your time. Always appreciate your videos.
C series are good machines minus the husco remotes. E series had a v12 16.8 that was an iffy motor and had husco remotes. Now it's a fendt 2 track with a 15.2 or 16.2 MAN motor and fendt vario and fendt electronics- way better than the previous husco crap
Warren your videos keep me going old retired heavy equipment mechanic coal fields of eastern Ky Lot of coal miners back to work here coal trucks rocking and rolling again... [ Ky Sam ] .
Just thinking that once a module has been programmed, a paint marker id# on the side of each might be helpful. Not as helpful as a 5 position switch on the side of each controller to set and read its id, so anyone could fix it in the field, but helpful. Great video.
Gonna be that guy, 2nd step of the 7 step diagnostic approach ask the operator, could’ve saved some time maybe. Pretty cool how you tackled the scv problem without getting some insight on the problem.
I was researching how to best grill sea bass on RUclips about 3 hours ago and fell asleep during the tutorial only to wake up to this vid. Cool info though.
number 1 works, try all five cables on number 1 to see if they are all good. Swapping wires can be done without climbing down. Then you will test all valves with number 1 cable. Moving the hose each time to the next valve.
Good video . I have a high respect for hard workers , my dad is a rail road worker , my brother works whit a garbage truck and other heavy machinery as well , my mom works in a grosery stor . And i want to work as a diesel mechanic , i want to repair , reaubild , operate heavy machinery and trucks powerd by diesel engines. 👍🔧
That's why I like my older tractor. I can fix most stuff myself. And Warren the girlfriend's dog Charlie reminds me of Jose. Gets loose does zoomies and then won't mind for chit.🐕🐕
Programming the 5 control modules with its ID switch number is rather retro. Any good reason why you don't replace them all Warren. Three fails out of five suggests that 1 & 5 may not be long for this world.
sorting the remote was like the game of "find what cup the bean is under" and you have double cups and don't know where they are ! Good figuring this issue out.
Here’s an idea…send the bad controllers to NorthRidgeFix (or similar). bet they could be fixed so that you avoid reprogramming. We need to learn to fix the electrical stuff otherwise like you say, a lot of iron will be getting parked! Good luck !
I know a guy that coyote hunts with two pit bulls. He has videos of his hunts. Those coyotes are crazy but they know how to dodge a pit bull. On rare occasion when one of his dogs manages to grab a coyote… it’s over in a hurry. The coyote is limp in literally 15 seconds. Crazy to see how fast a pit bull can take out a coyote. But when they get in a pack and are all taking a nip and running away… it can wear out a larger dog that’s not used to that type of thing. Take a little training but I bet your pup would do work on some coyotes.
My neighbors pit bull tangled with a coyote. He had a 1000 dollar vet bill to patch him up. His dog was protecting livestock. He says the coyote must be a hybrid. It was too large for a normal coyote.
The C’s were the Last Models with Cat Engines, then they went Straight To E Model next after the C Models. The E Models used a 16.8L Agco Power Motor. New Models are Fendts Now and they Discontinued the Challenger Name. New Fendts are using MAN Engines in them. Those C18 Motors were Great and a Hoss of a Machine, but I have always been a Cat Motor guy.
I wonder if a guy could direct wire the valves in the event of controller failure and no parts availability. Might take some shall we say custom wiring and plugs but if it would make the valves function again i might be worth the effort.
Probably what happened is over the years the various modules have failed as long as they had enough to work no call was done, only when there was insufficient working parts for them to use it, did they make the call after swapping stuff about to confuse things, it's a nightmare situation without parts, even if the modules had an indicator light that would help, they save pennies and cost a fortune
A g word allegedly made an appearance in a old video, he may or may not have mentioned he carries. RUclips hates g words and will ban people at the drop of a hat. I can only assume that’s why it’s why they are not shown or mentioned much on this channel.
Oh definitely it’s a bad word the G grab definitely a thing. They don’t want you to be able to protect you or anyone you care about!! Here in the uk we are ripe for the picking. (Maybe not everyone) but the way these people on que followed their ‘leaders’ in lockstep was very scary (this whole last two and a bit years was about how compliant people were and how far can you push someone to take a certain potion/poison! Which ever you prefers)
I’ve coincidentally been In the same position, on the same machine with the same control valve. This valve system is a pain in the ass, especially when the customer has been messing with them, when most the time the issue is a bad female pioneer cartridge or a worn out forward/neutral/back switch and or/because the operator spilt something on it. I Carry a set of long jumpers to test supply current. I always carried the modules that go in the valve/switches/ cartridges in the truck. Track pressure sensors as well. I do everyone a courtesy and to save time by marking valve, module and plug 😊 EDIT: thinking back I had one where it was none of the above and hydraulics wouldn’t work for that one circuit swapped everything.. had someone patched in from foreign land on my computer.. ended up being the controller it’s self.
Im trying to comment but cant, im so confused. Clarify this please.: are you explaining that their are only 4 wires running out back to all 5 controllers? Can high, can low, power, and ground? Youre saying every controller sees the same exact voltages and pulses..but only respond to the digital code coming down the bus? .
Warren As a 54 yo guy in the Uk 🇬🇧.. You are one clever/common sense Gizza.. Our politicians couldn’t organise a party at McDonald’s for the kiddies.. I would love to have a day with u in the field been your apprentice and then go for a couple of beers on me and a good steak 🥩 😊 Ps I hope warren u had that heater running so each time you climbed in to the ole girl she was warm
That's crazy why would you program stuff like that , I suppose they do that on purpose to get service work. I would have thought all interchange able. I'm glad all my remotes are operated mechanically !
Of course they messed with it. Probably had a hammer to help switch the controllers also. Haha same as any truck driver. Screw with everything accessible and bitch about all of it not working anymore. Lol😅😂😂 I’m glad I do t have to deal with operators anymore, I just have my coworkers that jimmy-rig things and walk away so nobody knows.
Never mind, it just makes it a bit harder for you to diaganose. Just think, with a little, not much, more effort your customer could make it impossible to fix.
With the new right to repair agreements that the equipment companies have made with Farm Bureau are you going to be able to get the software to work on the newer equipment.
You are using the same logical troubleshooting method I used for years in my work. Good to see someone still has some horsesense on the job.
Must have something to do with our Navy work, too. EN2 69-75
Warren is like many around the world
We have common sense..
WE have to resolve the issue our we’re broke 💴
Makes sence Warren ,thanks for sharing .u are a walking encyclopedia. Very knowledgeable. Thanks for all that you do. As I've said before .I'm always learning from you.
Very much appreciate it.
Take care out there, safe travels.
You are so right . Tough times are coming
Thanks Warren for posting so many video's lately, especially when it means a longer day to edit and upload. I have learned some new thing's watching your video's, and i appreciate that you take the time to explain how all these different machine's work, and what is truly junk, or good. G-d bless you and yours everyone.
A man could drive himself nuts chasing problems around after somebody else has been there changing things around. My hats off to you sir, nice job, some common sense applied to the issue, thanks for the ride along Warren.
Great job Warren. You made my head spin, but I understood what you were doing by the end! You're a wizard at diagnosing problems. Thanks for sharing the videos. We appreciate the time you are spending editing these videos.
That's a GREAT sounding Kitty Cat!!!❤❤❤
Hallelujah, I could keep up with where you were going on the diagnosis and understood the logic on seeking the solution. Your grasp of the mechanical and electrical spectrums is renown and on this one I suddenly realized you are equally adept at the foibles of humans. Knowing you were number two at the scene and number one had added to his woes was good catch and a time/money saver.
I am a visual guy so I would take a sheet of paper to diagram the switch controls and the controllers. As someone else mentioned every controller would be painted with numbers. One good controller then is used to mark its effectiveness in other slots, just as you did. I would use paper to log it so that all attempted configurations have been recorded. But you just log it all in your head and always get the right result. That is amazing!
Using can bus and other end point multiplexed controllers is actually a good idea as it cuts down on the amount of wiring needed in a vehicle or piece of equipment. Instead of having a bunch of high current drivers all mounted in a central location like a single ecu or control module they are spread out around the vehicle or piece of equipment. When a high current driver fails in a ecu the entire ecu becomes trash. It also makes the diagnosis of problems easier as long the technician has a understanding of can control protocols. Many cars and trucks began using networked modules to control individual components starting in the mid 2000s. For example many cars and trucks use networked door control modules which greatly reduced the amount of wiring needed to operate everything. Instead of having 20 or more individual wires going to each car door for all of the different controls it can be done with just 2 power wires and 2 data wires. It can also greatly simplify the diagnostic process by allowing a problem to immediately be narrowed down to a specific point or section. On some newer vehicles I have seen all of the rear lights operated from a single rear lighting module with just 4 wires from the body control module. There is many advantages to networked control systems.
Many disadvantages too. Gotta weight them out and play them out on the appliance they’re on. Farm equipment, that NEEDS to run and run right when it’s go time shouldn’t be subject to complete failure because of cost savings in production, especially when the final price reflects more than it would cost to run things in a more individual manner. You probably don’t know this or have experience with it but, when it’s harvest time or even planting time, there is only a small window of time to get it done. That small window is the difference between making money or losing money. Also, ag and construction are extremely hard on equipment. Again, you probably don’t know this. Sitting on a bench in climate controlled indoor areas it all works great. In reality, you get some goober in the seat of these machines that live and operate in extreme harsh conditions that aren’t very forgiving or like a climate controlled, clean nice comfortable environment. Yeah sure the idea of having all this done with less wires and crap “sounds good” but in reality, a stack of wires is better suited for the environment than sensitive, fragile electronics that require more skill and experience to keep up and running. Better yet, a bunch of rods, linkages and levers are much better suited. It’s already proven. Let’s look at all the older machines that built out world. They are still going just fine and most of the time you can scab together a repair with what’s on hand to get you where you gotta be. CANBUS, not a chance. It’s cheaper and easier to manufacture this cheaply built equipment yet they sell them them for more than what they’re worth. Yeah sure it saves weight but in a game where weight is good, it doesn’t make any sense to use weight saving production techniques. There wouldn’t be such a need for extra weights on tractors if they were built to last. It all comes down to the almighty dollar.
@@mikeznel6048Having to throw away your tractor every 10 years is pretty profitable it seems
150/hr. 160 if you watch, 170 if you help. 250 if you’ve worked on it before. I’m also very concerned moving forward how many of these electronic parts will go obsolete and render expensive machines scrap.
Keep up the good work . Really enjoy the videos
Well done with the diag Warren!
Ditto regarding the old stuff being fixed up.
I'm working on a 1941 John Deere L.
This is realy nice stuff man , figuring it out with your brain and a hose. Thanks for showing the entire process 👍
Peeling back the onion...with the machine and the 'operators'....your speciality! Thanks Much!
Very much interested, great job Warren, you are an amazing troubleshooter!
Thanks Warren
Ever since there has been a push in the automotive. utility, agriculture and construction equipment for the canbus drive by wire systems, it is now being shown how sensitive that type of controls are to vibration, wetness, extreme temperatures, poor harness connectors and and grounds that are insufficient.
Every mechanic is now running into these problems now that the lifecycle of the equipment has reached so many hours of use and abuse. Oh do not forget the vermin that get to munching on the electrical harnesses.
Watch Mr. O on the South Main automotive channel when he gets into troubleshooting the Canbus systems on the more modern cars, where the dealer technicians fail to diagnose the problem after charging several bucks to the customer.
I used to go regularly to the South Georgia Moultrie Agricultural Expo every Fall as a vacation/learning event for 4 days and I kept asking the machine builders why they walked away from the regular two-wire controls to a controls network and all I could get was it was "cheaper" to build that way with all the electronic logic modules (controllers).
If we had PLC control systems in manufacturing that were that sensitive the end users would stand up and say get it fixed or we are going to use someone else's products. There does not seem there are enough choices or the end users voices are not pooled because everyone is an independent business/entity.
Your dollars are the only thing it seems that might get listened to when it comes to forcing changes.
You all take care out there in 2023 and make sure you are going far enough in your thinking/planning to have plans (B, C, and D) for back up actions. It is going to be an interesting year we are in 2023!
I always enjoy showing how you go through the diagnostic process. And your right, transportation problems are getting worse. Stay safe!
I agree old tractors will stay runnin and go up in value.
They already are up in value.
That's one reason old school pilot valves are so reliable and you'll never get your wires crossed..
Just watching it now, excellent piece of work , soon as I saw the numbers of actuators and the valves I thought 5 times 5 times 5 possible combinations of daft artifacts, I hate people playing swapping stuff, there are 5 times 5 possible combinations with 5 times that possible errors just by swapping wires, it's an addressable module wonderful idea
Thank you as always for the free and fun teachings! Stay safe out there, worst kind or weather to work I think!!
Rain is the worst cold is ok (for me) as long as you are busy rain Just demoralises you 🙈
@@cstew8355 Rain demoralizes *me* is what you should have said.
Good diagnosis Warren. You noticed something amateurs like me would have missed. Gotta keep track of them solenoids.
Nice work Warren
Great last comment Warren.Park the piece due to no more parts.It has happened in the car/light truck end.No electronic parts for older vehicles.Some shops will not even work on stuff that is older than 2005 with anything electronic related.
Equipment control modules need to be programmed with a "somebody already fucked with it" code...
Haha 😆
Thats a nice little problem solving exercise Warren. Makes it worse when someone has been Messing with it first 😕.
Great to see your approach to the faults .
Great video Warren really enjoy watching you troubleshoot this problem on this Challenger. Thanks for sharing stay safe Warren.
Another Great Video. It’s amazing how much is electronic controlled. What was wrong with 5 cables, going to 5 Remote Valves. I hear Big Bud is making tractors again, C18 Cat Powertrain. Wonder if they will use electronic valve or something else. Thanks for sharing your experience and your time. Always appreciate your videos.
C series are good machines minus the husco remotes. E series had a v12 16.8 that was an iffy motor and had husco remotes. Now it's a fendt 2 track with a 15.2 or 16.2 MAN motor and fendt vario and fendt electronics- way better than the previous husco crap
The V12 is a sisu engine
Warren your videos keep me going old retired heavy equipment mechanic coal fields of eastern Ky Lot of coal miners back to work here coal trucks rocking and rolling again... [ Ky Sam ] .
I like what you said a while back. I'll take a case Magnum or an old John Deere any day
Just thinking that once a module has been programmed, a paint marker id# on the side of each might be helpful. Not as helpful as a 5 position switch on the side of each controller to set and read its id, so anyone could fix it in the field, but helpful. Great video.
Gonna be that guy, 2nd step of the 7 step diagnostic approach ask the operator, could’ve saved some time maybe. Pretty cool how you tackled the scv problem without getting some insight on the problem.
They probably don’t even speak English yet alone understand it. Also, they wouldn’t be able to recall what they did.
I've watched part one and part two, now I'm sucked in. I sure hope there is a part 3, a video where you complete the job!
I was researching how to best grill sea bass on RUclips about 3 hours ago and fell asleep during the tutorial only to wake up to this vid. Cool info though.
"My nose runs and my feet smell. I was built backwards."
Thanks for the Video Warren 🚜👍
number 1 works, try all five cables on number 1 to see if they are all good. Swapping wires can be done without climbing down. Then you will test all valves with number 1 cable. Moving the hose each time to the next valve.
Well done Warren, that was a good diagnosis.
hi Warren from sunny Queensland Australia ,, good vid this one man , thank you , cheers
Take a drink every time warren gets in and out of the tractor. Will be gone before 35min mark!!!
Good video . I have a high respect for hard workers , my dad is a rail road worker , my brother works whit a garbage truck and other heavy machinery as well , my mom works in a grosery stor . And i want to work as a diesel mechanic , i want to repair , reaubild , operate heavy machinery and trucks powerd by diesel engines. 👍🔧
Good luck with your ambition
Thank you
Good diagnosis Warren thanks for videos
The equipment we use at work you can set the Mac ID for each device net can hi/low device.
Like port 2 would be BUS 03, ID 22
@@JSokil The equipment needs to work in order to that.
Interesting stuff I start to catch on to what he was doing
Jus so we are clear number 1 connector will run the number 1 switch only!!! Hahaha you really hammered that point home Understood
Warren this tractor is far from being a piece of shit as you say. This is a beast of a machine, it's just been abused. Thanks for the videos 👍
Still a pos.
Now that’s trouble shooting!!! Thanks for the video warren 👍👍👍👍👍
Very informative thanks Warren, this could save your butt if you're in the middle of planting or harvesting.
Thank You Warren. Err. Oh my. Learnt a lot about Kanbus today. You bet the num nut that designed it, ain't working jn the field! Excellent Vid.
Always learning something new off this channel 👍
John Deere and right to repair electronic components seem to be a big issue these days. Do you have the same issues with the Challenger tractors?
WARREN MANY MANY THANK YOUS ALL THE WAY FROM THE LAST DAIRY IN THE TOWNSHIP!!!!
Great video as usual Warren!!
they probably have to drive by New York, before coming to Oregon!
I'd have more chance of working out Rubik's cube. [ I don't think ] lol Warren you're a Gem!
That's why I like my older tractor. I can fix most stuff myself. And Warren the girlfriend's dog Charlie reminds me of Jose. Gets loose does zoomies and then won't mind for chit.🐕🐕
Programming the 5 control modules with its ID switch number is rather retro.
Any good reason why you don't replace them all Warren. Three fails out of five suggests that 1 & 5 may not be long for this world.
Money dosent grow on its own
@@Adam-bw4lw how stupid. Its 2 more swiches on an moneymaker of a machine
@@Adam-bw4lw I thought it did the way JB gives away money!!
@@davidholder3207 If it ain’t broke, don’t fix (or replace) it for no reason.
@@mikeznel6048 I just wondered whether in replacing 3 you might as well replace the lot since the other 2 are likely to fail soon!!
sorting the remote was like the game of "find what cup the bean is under" and you have double cups and don't know where they are ! Good figuring this issue out.
Great video.
Here’s an idea…send the bad controllers to NorthRidgeFix (or similar). bet they could be fixed so that you avoid reprogramming. We need to learn to fix the electrical stuff otherwise like you say, a lot of iron will be getting parked! Good luck !
I know a guy that coyote hunts with two pit bulls. He has videos of his hunts. Those coyotes are crazy but they know how to dodge a pit bull. On rare occasion when one of his dogs manages to grab a coyote… it’s over in a hurry. The coyote is limp in literally 15 seconds. Crazy to see how fast a pit bull can take out a coyote. But when they get in a pack and are all taking a nip and running away… it can wear out a larger dog that’s not used to that type of thing. Take a little training but I bet your pup would do work on some coyotes.
My old dog was a Pitbull McNabb mix, and would run them down and either catch them or run them into a fence line and kill them.
My neighbors pit bull tangled with a coyote. He had a 1000 dollar vet bill to patch him up. His dog was protecting livestock. He says the coyote must be a hybrid. It was too large for a normal coyote.
The C’s were the Last Models with Cat Engines, then they went Straight To E Model next after the C Models. The E Models used a 16.8L Agco Power Motor. New Models are Fendts Now and they Discontinued the Challenger Name. New Fendts are using MAN Engines in them. Those C18 Motors were Great and a Hoss of a Machine, but I have always been a Cat Motor guy.
I wonder if a guy could direct wire the valves in the event of controller failure and no parts availability. Might take some shall we say custom wiring and plugs but if it would make the valves function again i might be worth the effort.
Sum it up Warren bleeds red white and blue..and no dumb shit...Warren God bless you and your family..get it lil d00d💯
Probably what happened is over the years the various modules have failed as long as they had enough to work no call was done, only when there was insufficient working parts for them to use it, did they make the call after swapping stuff about to confuse things, it's a nightmare situation without parts, even if the modules had an indicator light that would help, they save pennies and cost a fortune
Warren there is no thing you cant fix awesome 👍
Good Video 🔝🔝🔝
Looking forward to see you working on some Fendt MT or Fendt in general 😉😉😉🔝🔝🔝
You can’t beat a logical, troubleshooting mind. A lost art
Sounds a little like air is getting sucked into that hydraulic pump. When it first started up not saying it has anything to do with you're issue.
He mentioned in the first video it had no oil on the sight glass.
👍👍.. thanks for the video man👊
Always look forward to your videos Warren! , do have carry a gun for yotes and Wolves ?
A g word allegedly made an appearance in a old video, he may or may not have mentioned he carries. RUclips hates g words and will ban people at the drop of a hat. I can only assume that’s why it’s why they are not shown or mentioned much on this channel.
Oh definitely it’s a bad word the G grab definitely a thing. They don’t want you to be able to protect you or anyone you care about!! Here in the uk we are ripe for the picking. (Maybe not everyone) but the way these people on que followed their ‘leaders’ in lockstep was very scary (this whole last two and a bit years was about how compliant people were and how far can you push someone to take a certain potion/poison! Which ever you prefers)
Interesting,good vid !
I'd never remember which controller was what. I'd have to write on them with a grease pencil. how do you remeber that?
I’ve coincidentally been In the same position, on the same machine with the same control valve. This valve system is a pain in the ass, especially when the customer has been messing with them, when most the time the issue is a bad female pioneer cartridge or a worn out forward/neutral/back switch and or/because the operator spilt something on it. I Carry a set of long jumpers to test supply current. I always carried the modules that go in the valve/switches/ cartridges in the truck. Track pressure sensors as well. I do everyone a courtesy and to save time by marking valve, module and plug 😊
EDIT: thinking back I had one where it was none of the above and hydraulics wouldn’t work for that one circuit swapped everything.. had someone patched in from foreign land on my computer.. ended up being the controller it’s self.
been confused like that before on 7530 !
Im trying to comment but cant, im so confused.
Clarify this please.: are you explaining that their are only 4 wires running out back to all 5 controllers? Can high, can low, power, and ground?
Youre saying every controller sees the same exact voltages and pulses..but only respond to the digital code coming down the bus?
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Tell joesy the parts manager to order all new controllers
I'm confused, but a good video.
Are those controllers color coded? Probably don't matter.
Warren
As a 54 yo guy in the Uk 🇬🇧..
You are one clever/common sense Gizza..
Our politicians couldn’t organise a party at McDonald’s for the kiddies..
I would love to have a day with u in the field been your apprentice and then go for a couple of beers on me and a good steak 🥩 😊
Ps I hope warren u had that heater running so each time you climbed in to the ole girl she was warm
what ever you charge....triple that!!!!
That's crazy why would you program stuff like that , I suppose they do that on purpose to get service work. I would have thought all interchange able. I'm glad all my remotes are operated mechanically !
Of course they messed with it. Probably had a hammer to help switch the controllers also. Haha same as any truck driver. Screw with everything accessible and bitch about all of it not working anymore. Lol😅😂😂 I’m glad I do t have to deal with operators anymore, I just have my coworkers that jimmy-rig things and walk away so nobody knows.
How many GPM is your flow meter
I like that “moderately severe “ well which is it, moderate, or severe??
It’s moderately severe.
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Never mind, it just makes it a bit harder for you to diaganose. Just think, with a little, not much, more effort your customer could make it impossible to fix.
good vid warren
All the climbing on and off must wear you out.
Hi Warren , have a good one .
Warren,it’s sad that these machines are going to the manufactures electronic programming equipment to keep them operating
With the new right to repair agreements that the equipment companies have made with Farm Bureau are you going to be able to get the software to work on the newer equipment.
Warren with the battery disconnect switch disconnected does the ecm save all the data
Think he’d get mad if I dropped off my 85 Kenworth? He know these Big Cans like the back of his hands…
Nothin my guy can’t fix….!!
A little late now but maybe you could have used a marker and labeled the controllers... might help for next time... just a suggestion
No need for that.
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Why does a tractor need a computer to do this, what was wrong with mechanical linkages or cables.
That would last too long and be easy to fix and maintain. They can’t make money if it lasts.
Was that 10mm
Not in that repair.
@@mikeznel6048 it was a mechanic joke
Atleast those are easy to swap around to test. Deeres aren't so friendly. But you can atleast program the deeres yourself