@veewitched7082 he most likely died or is somehow still alive probably still in California it seems like some people survived by hunkering down and staying within their area so Tobias could be a feral crazy survivior by now or a walker unless a big group formed in California which is unlikely since the United States arny bombed it during the outbreak
@@UncleHenry76Yeah it does and the hair is blonde-ish. But it's actually a hand double in the scene. They did a pretty poor job at casting somebody who got similar feats to Troy.
@@thewhovianwithasmallcollec7319 It was confirmed by the writers that she survived her bite, but maybe she later succumbed to the radiation. I mean first of all, she was heading back to the Tower which was about to spew a shit ton of radiation into the air. And second of all, the long-term effects of the amount that she absorbed could be fatal to her just like it was going to be to Grace. After all, it takes a lethal amount of radiation to kill that bite infection.
I think she just needed to sleep and rest because she hasn’t ever since she got bit and was more worried about the safety of the group @@thewhovianwithasmallcollec7319
No one stays dead on this show. I’m waiting for Travis to just show up like that shot was a flesh wound and I bounced right onto my feet when i fell out of the chopper
I'm excited to see Troy coming back. Hopefully, they explain how he survives. Maybe the Proctors (If they are still active) found him and brought him back to health but who knows?
Well let's see. He's supposed to be dead so not sure how he's back plus that was way back in season 3. That's a long time ago. Why bring him back now. Makes no sense.
@@jonfreeman9682boost ratings. The show will likely take a huge blow in viewership with the loss of Lennie James. This is probably an attempt to keep more people on board. Not to mention, Troy is the most well liked villain and most fans would agree that he’s one of the best characters from the Erickson era.
@@FTWDTROY Well If Thats The Case They Could Of Brought Him Back Sooner And Maybe AMC Wouldn't Have Pulled The Plug And There Could Of Been A Season 9 Possibly Even A 10th Season.
If they had season 3 with Travis joining the militia it would have been cool to see them and the Indian group fight proctor John and his group but instead we got Morgan running around Texas with nick and Alice fighting some random group who should have come across the crm or Virginia
@ICRYWHENISLEEP Originally, Travis was supposed to live throughout the entire season 3, but the actor wanted to leave. It is quite sad since I really like Travis and wanted him to live.
Important knowledge! 1. The outfit at the end is the same outfit from the leaked Daniel sharman outfit fitting from earlier this year. Complete with the same buttons on the jacket and brown pants. 2. The person is wearing the same watch that Troy wore in season 3. It’s a black type of watch. 3. The map shows a timeline of where this person went. It starts at the dam from season 3 and ends up in Savannah! 4. The hammer is the same hammer that madison used to “kill” Troy. 5. Those are strands season 3 glasses. He probably left them at the dam or got new ones later on. 6. Alicia’s arm. Only someone crazy like Troy would keep an arm like that. Probably to taunt madison and force her to do whatever he wants. Some people said that the hair looks blonde. It’s not. The lighting is wonky, almost giving a glow to Daniel sharmans brown hair. It’s caused by a very bright desk lamp. Some also criticized the hair length. We have to remember, troys hair is long in the leaked photo. Over his eyes. The actor also may look off because well…this is probably a stand in double similar to how they handled michone in season 2 of the walking dead. Daniel sharman probably wasn’t on set for that day. They hired someone from instagrams bmcsavannah. Apologize for the long message. Just wanted to make this all clear.
let’s say he miraculously survived the two hits to the temple with a HAMMER AND the dam explosion he would have so much brain damage it would be impossible to function. and he was at the very least knocked unconscious, so it would be impossible to survive the dam explosion
Troy was one of the best characters in the whole WD universe but how in the heck is he back!? Feels so unrealistic that he survived two good blows from a hammer…
I think it could explain how Troy "survived" being hit with a hammer. It was a hallucination of Madison or Nick (or both). As we know, we had various visions and hallucinations of Madison in the season three finale. Nick was literally a drug addict, so it could just be one of them imagining it. Madison may have actually hit Troy in a fit of anger, or possibly Troy was banished or ran away. It could only be shown from the perspective of one of the characters.
Interesting theory but Troy has Madison’s hammer and the only way he could’ve gotten that is if the death scene actually happened because Madison drops her hammer next to Troy after killing him. Also, if Troy has never died he would’ve intervened in the proctor situation and escaped with the others or would’ve been killed by Daniel.
...nick :( i want he come back...and with troy...pfff perfect combination...and witht daryl??? pfff bombs ...but he say why to dont kill nick? is a simple personaje...no dude nick was the main of this serials ...
This was absolutely tremendous I’m so excited to see him again man he was such an amazing character by the looks of it his hair has gotten alot longer but bro i wished they showed his face though that would have been crazy
Troy: you know Madison I wanna ask you this question where’s Nick Madison: he’s gone Troy: oh he was a great friend until you got him to turn on me such a fool you are how did he die Madison: the girl Charlie you captured she murdered my son out of no reason because her friend was murdered even the others from a group called the Vultures
@@patrickclaster1176 I’m pretty sure the people who “survive” these types of injuries are reduced to drooling vegetables who need someone to wipe their 🍑 for them
@@noone6787 You did hear about the Black boy who got a few weeks ago twice shot, once in the head, right? He is completely okay. They can retcon Troy's death easily, as in Madison thinking she killed him and halucinated it whole. His death isn't that hard to be retconed
@@patrickclaster1176 but the problem is Nick saw him die too. They even argued about it after the fact. I’m not doubting he’s coming back. Evidence shows he is but that doesn’t change the fact it was a stupid decision
Yeah, but Troy literally says I knew I find you when I heard your radio broadcast and when he picks up the hammer and his glasses, you can tell that is Troy’s hand
The other 50% if it can be Troy due to 2 things1. The hammer is clearly the same or similar to the one Madison used to "kill" Troy. 2. The map that you see shows a route marked the first point starts from Baja California Tijuana, The second point marks the border between Tijuana and the United States and if you remember passing the border there was the military base where Troy and his platoon were. The third point He's probably marking where the dam was and also last time where Madison was. From there the rest of the map marks the route where Madison was passing for years. Look, maybe I'm wrong in some details but I try to find the logic in how Troy was tracking Madison for a long time
@@WarGrowlmon18 I see the hands very young and Troy besides being white (I'm not racist) the times the camera was pointed at his hands they also look the same Troy's hair is messy and maybe during those years I let it grow and it already looks like a woman's hair
Maybe the producers will change Troy's death. but my serious theory Troy miraculously manages to "survive" from the blow of the hammer, he was saved by some Mexican survivor, helping him to heal and he decides to look for madison. although it can also be Alex from the episode Flight 462
@@FTWDTROY Another theory would be that after surviving Troy created a community and the person we see at the end is someone who works for him, that would explain why he has Alicia's prosthesis and Victor's glasses.
The scene wouldn’t be this ominous if it was Al + since when did Al have Strand’s sunglasses? And the map from the Gonzalez dam through Texas to Louisiana
@@FTWDTROY Al always had sunglasses and the jacket seems similar to Al unless Troy collected things from people he killed to get to Madison which could make sense
@@chansophonlongthe sunglasses are Strand’s and the outfit worn by the person in the video matches a BTS pic of what supposedly is Troy’s outfit in season 8
I really hope they don’t bring him back to be a villain … and wasn’t troys right hand bandaged up from stabbing himself on purpose a scar like that would never go away
Omg if that's Troy, then I'd like an explanation as to how he survived a bludgeoned hit on his skull by Maddy. And seeing Alicia's arm was frightening not gonna lie. Brings me memories of Saw.
They didn't bother to explain how anyone survived the dam before, they won't now. When Troy was laying there after he got hit, you could see his brain exposed through the hole in his skull. There is a 0% chance he would have survived, but since these showrunners like bringing back dead characters with no explanation, I wouldn't put it past them
I think it might be Travis because we never got to see his body it would also explain him having Alicia's arm because he basically like her step dad and was also in the plane when he fell
IT IS ALTHEA. The sunglasses are Isabel's, she wore them when she picked up the gang before the nuke went off. It is ALTHEA. The actress has blonde hair; Al's hair is clearly dyed in-character (it doesn't look natural), she was away from the group with a helicopter so meeting Alicia was plausible; and she knew Madison. Troy might be in the final part of the show but he has nothing to do with this scene. It is meant to look like a villain as a red herring
I thought it was a female until i looked at daniel sharman’s pics and i saw that he matches the arm that we see in the video+his hair is blonde especially with lighting like the video The writing,the hammer everything is pointing tp troy
If that was the case, then why does the hands look like of a female, and there is also a piece of long blonde hair! My guess, it’s possibly someone related to Troy! Maybe it’s his mom, even though Troy confirmed she died of alcoholism, but what if she isn’t dead?!?
That's a common kind of hammer. You can probably find one in any toolbox. But the arm and the sunglasses??? Those are Alicia's and Strand's respectively.
@@WarGrowlmon18 well when it comes to twd universe we’re so used of hints and so on. And its definitely Troy, definitely the same hammer. You’ll see in 8B😜 we’re up for a good wait 💔
I'm in a 50's and 50's which may or may not be Troy. The 50% not likely are glasses very similar to the ones Victor Strand wore when he was in his badass mode.
The glasses are Victor’s, the arm is Alicia’s, the hammer is Madison’s which she used to “kill Troy and there is also a map for the dam. It’s 100% Troy.
Yeah, they both had what looked like fatal injuries and they both pretty much died on screen but if they do bring Troy back I will definitely not be watching the show, I don’t watch it anyway but it’s not going to change if I see Troy
Travis fell out of a helicopter after being shot by a sniper rifle. I know troy living is unrealistic but come on. Chris on the other hand could make sense since his "death" was entirely flashbacks and maybe they could retcon it by saying the guys didn't actually kill him they just left him to die in a really painful way and thought it would be better to say they killed him but he actually lived.
Here my guess all the stuff are stuff Troy has collected from them(like the hammer maybe after he woke up, sunglasses from Travis, and Alicia’s arm idk how that could have happened maybe some sort of stocking thing) but in this scene I think it may just be someone Troy works with now
No damage to hand (Literally stabbed all the way through in season 3), Long blonde hair - shoulder length, Hit in head twice with a hammer, flooded, caught in explosion and likely crushed by debris. ItS TrOY. It's clearly Proctor John.
Can anyone explain how they think its troy when this person has blonde hair but in other leaked pictures its his normal hair? Like sure it's probably him but..tf? Could they not get a stunt double or is that supposed to be like his daughter
You should pin a link to the recap of the comic con panel, where they confirm his return. Every time i rewatch this clip, i see new people saying it's not him, he's dead blah blah🤣
This isn’t Troy, when this person is writing you guys look in around the top right corner and you will see this person has I’d say around shoulder length hair and it’s blonde, As we know Troy doesn’t have blonde hair nor was his hair that long either, so this is someone else. Maybe it’s someone we know from one of the other seasons or it’s someone we don’t know yet.
What if it's Chris? Troy was pretty dead, like, hole in his head dead. Plus those hands don't look like they belong on Troy. But Chris, Chris' death scene was in a memory flashback, told by someone who really didn't care about him, what if the guy just told Travis that because he really just got scared and ran away, leaving his son to die. Maybe he though Travis would take it better or thank him for showing his son mercy.. It would make more sense with the hands and how he holds Alicia arm, like he has longing or some sick connection with it, like Chris did with Alicia. The hammer is another thing though, it could be that Chris has been tracking them down or following them for some time, picking up random mementos and thing they left behind, like the hammer.
If troy Otto is returning then that means taka walker and crazy dog will return also help Madison and commander Daniel Salazar and strand to defend padre base against troy and his group
yeah I’m pretty sure I saw Victor in the sneak peak thing for the second half of s8. Like I said though, really worried about Alicia. It would suck if they just had Troy kill her, maybe even offscreen, after they already made us think she was gonna die once.
I just recently seen his podcast with Brenden 😅 and he has short hair now, but the clips I've seen him in. I do see him with blonde highlights so it could be the way the camera is angled but from most of the comments I had if you watch it on TV, it's actually much darker then the way the clip is viewed.
Oh yeah and I keep hearing something about Alicia I guess she vanished or something I just remember she got bit and had or has a forever fever or some shxt
@@twistedeternal8053She got bit, yeah, but she survived: Alicia actually beat the Walker Bite Infection, but the character departed from the show. And yeah, that's supposed to be Troy Otto or at least one of his people. PADRE is an island sanctuary in Georgia, it was built as part of a government doomsday plan, but the original leaders died early in the apocalypse and PADRE and its purpose got corrupted. They defeated those leaders and took PADRE over and Madison wants to return the kids that PADRE had kidnapped from their parents and remake it into the sanctuary that it was always supposed to be.
Troy's head was bashed to the point of brain exposed and then when the dam exploded, his body was washed away fast. I'm sorry, but if he survives, that would be very, very stupid.
That can't be. Madison cracked open his skull twice with a hammer in the last episode of the third season. And what is he doing with Alicia's fake arm😮😨
Everyone arguing over if it’s Troy or not babes we don’t care bout Troy WE COULD BE FINALLY GETTING CONFIRMATION IF ALYSSA DIED AT THE RIVER OR NOT that’s more exciting to me like that’s defo her arm guys
it cant be alicia, she lost her arm, thats why she had that thing as her arm, and it aint troy, he had black hair and you can see the tip of hair and it was blonde and around past there neck
@@IGoByDevs did you read my message at all I know it can’t be Alyssa im saying and I’ll paraphrase it for you “we can get confirmation on her alive status if she’s dead or not” and the bit about the troy arguing in the comments was a joke I never once said in my message THATS ALYSSA or THATS TROY re-read my comment have a nice day
@@FTWDTROY In a show where flying a hot air balloon shaped like a beer bottle is a legitimate plot line, anything is possible. Heck, maybe we see Travis too. Why not?
So does this mean Alisha is dead? Because isn’t that her hand that she used? She wouldn’t have let it go willingly. Maybe she comes back for the series finale to help Madison stop Troy?
That’s not Troy as In season 3 as he was being exiled, he stabbed himself through the hand with the knife a Native American was holding, and you cannot see any scars on both hands
@@FTWDTROY Wait I have recently seen a teaser and it looks like troy is in it so now my hype is way higher. I saw this scene but I wanted to check on leaks and news first before I got my hopes up.
@@ChR4seV2Yeah, that's him in the 8B teaser. You see Madison almost striking him before Strand stops her. Also there's a glimpse of him and Madison on a collapsing bridge.
Wait when Madison said if you lost a child it showed Alicia arm I mean I think that's hints that Troy killed her but I haven't seen much of fear so don't go ham if I sound like an idiot
It’s Tobias from season 1. He’s coming to save his guidance counselor
PLEASEEEEE I LOVED TOBIAS LMAOOO
@veewitched7082 he most likely died or is somehow still alive probably still in California it seems like some people survived by hunkering down and staying within their area so Tobias could be a feral crazy survivior by now or a walker unless a big group formed in California which is unlikely since the United States arny bombed it during the outbreak
😂😂
He died in season 2! They showed him dead in the airplane on the beach
@mitchgledhill3538 that was a completely different character look it up the last time we see Tobias he's at home waiting for his family to get home
I swear if Troy is coming back i’m going to lose my mind. He was my favorite character on this show
As much as I want it to be Troy the hands seem very feminine
@@UncleHenry76Yeah it does and the hair is blonde-ish. But it's actually a hand double in the scene. They did a pretty poor job at casting somebody who got similar feats to Troy.
@@Phelps-1247 hope it’s a hand double cause it doesn’t even look like Troy tbh
troy otto is dead
@@AAAAAA-tj1nq*alive
Seeing Alicia’s arm was more shocking then anything.
I’m defo more hyped but that tbh I just wanna know if they can confirm if she died at the river or not
That's also Strand's sunglasses.
@@thewhovianwithasmallcollec7319 It was confirmed by the writers that she survived her bite, but maybe she later succumbed to the radiation. I mean first of all, she was heading back to the Tower which was about to spew a shit ton of radiation into the air. And second of all, the long-term effects of the amount that she absorbed could be fatal to her just like it was going to be to Grace. After all, it takes a lethal amount of radiation to kill that bite infection.
@the whovian with a small collection its confirmed she didnt die but she did say she left the show
I think she just needed to sleep and rest because she hasn’t ever since she got bit and was more worried about the safety of the group @@thewhovianwithasmallcollec7319
No one stays dead on this show. I’m waiting for Travis to just show up like that shot was a flesh wound and I bounced right onto my feet when i fell out of the chopper
Travis is shot and he is dead
@jasper7714 And his left eye turns blue.
I'm excited to see Troy coming back. Hopefully, they explain how he survives. Maybe the Proctors (If they are still active) found him and brought him back to health but who knows?
Well let's see. He's supposed to be dead so not sure how he's back plus that was way back in season 3. That's a long time ago. Why bring him back now. Makes no sense.
@@jonfreeman9682boost ratings. The show will likely take a huge blow in viewership with the loss of Lennie James. This is probably an attempt to keep more people on board. Not to mention, Troy is the most well liked villain and most fans would agree that he’s one of the best characters from the Erickson era.
@@FTWDTROY Well If Thats The Case They Could Of Brought Him Back Sooner And Maybe AMC Wouldn't Have Pulled The Plug And There Could Of Been A Season 9 Possibly Even A 10th Season.
If they had season 3 with Travis joining the militia it would have been cool to see them and the Indian group fight proctor John and his group but instead we got Morgan running around Texas with nick and Alice fighting some random group who should have come across the crm or Virginia
@ICRYWHENISLEEP Originally, Travis was supposed to live throughout the entire season 3, but the actor wanted to leave. It is quite sad since I really like Travis and wanted him to live.
Important knowledge!
1. The outfit at the end is the same outfit from the leaked Daniel sharman outfit fitting from earlier this year. Complete with the same buttons on the jacket and brown pants.
2. The person is wearing the same watch that Troy wore in season 3. It’s a black type of watch.
3. The map shows a timeline of where this person went. It starts at the dam from season 3 and ends up in Savannah!
4. The hammer is the same hammer that madison used to “kill” Troy.
5. Those are strands season 3 glasses. He probably left them at the dam or got new ones later on.
6. Alicia’s arm. Only someone crazy like Troy would keep an arm like that. Probably to taunt madison and force her to do whatever he wants.
Some people said that the hair looks blonde. It’s not. The lighting is wonky, almost giving a glow to Daniel sharmans brown hair. It’s caused by a very bright desk lamp.
Some also criticized the hair length. We have to remember, troys hair is long in the leaked photo. Over his eyes. The actor also may look off because well…this is probably a stand in double similar to how they handled michone in season 2 of the walking dead. Daniel sharman probably wasn’t on set for that day. They hired someone from instagrams bmcsavannah.
Apologize for the long message. Just wanted to make this all clear.
let’s say he miraculously survived the two hits to the temple with a HAMMER AND the dam explosion he would have so much brain damage it would be impossible to function. and he was at the very least knocked unconscious, so it would be impossible to survive the dam explosion
@@awkwardomelette7316 this is a tv show. Madison already survived, rick survived being impaled and an exploding bridge.
And the hair was listed as brown or dark/dirty blonde in the casting call. So it's definitely his "double" in this scene.
@@awkwardomelette7316 Dude, it’s walking dead. Unless you see them as a walker or their head cut off, anything can be explained 😂
@@awkwardomelette7316 He can survive as we didn't actually see him dead.
YES
Troy was the best fucking character across all of the TWD franchise, it's so good to have him back.
i like troy, but rick is better
He won’t be it though
@@itzgoldenvip1031 He was spotted on set, he is.
@@morgan79737many people are Spot on set thought so maybe he is or maybe Not
@@itzgoldenvip1031 come back in 8b when it’s Troy, ok?
Still not over how badly his return was fucked up 🤦♂️
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Troy was one of the best characters in the whole WD universe but how in the heck is he back!? Feels so unrealistic that he survived two good blows from a hammer…
Don’t think it’s Troy the hands seem very feminine and when he/she is leaning over you can see the hair it seems like it’s a woman
Easy he Is back 4 blood
I mean rick got blown back by an explosion somehow managed to fall into the river and still survived
@@death0freaper670 yeah It Is Troy that's why he's fingers are bruise up because he stab he hand on the knife and then killed that one Indian boy
I think it could explain how Troy "survived" being hit with a hammer. It was a hallucination of Madison or Nick (or both). As we know, we had various visions and hallucinations of Madison in the season three finale. Nick was literally a drug addict, so it could just be one of them imagining it. Madison may have actually hit Troy in a fit of anger, or possibly Troy was banished or ran away. It could only be shown from the perspective of one of the characters.
Interesting theory but Troy has Madison’s hammer and the only way he could’ve gotten that is if the death scene actually happened because Madison drops her hammer next to Troy after killing him. Also, if Troy has never died he would’ve intervened in the proctor situation and escaped with the others or would’ve been killed by Daniel.
@@FTWDTROYThat’s assuming Daniel manages to get Troy to break, I don’t see that happening.
...nick :( i want he come back...and with troy...pfff perfect combination...and witht daryl??? pfff bombs ...but he say why to dont kill nick? is a simple personaje...no dude nick was the main of this serials ...
@@FTWDTROYI never understood why Madison dropped the hammer. It was a good weapon.
Maybe Troy was indeed dead but what if some scientists found his dead body and brought him back
For the people saying it isn't Troy. I believe it's the hand model they had a casting call for.
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@@zwunss Google Troy Otto casting call
@@zwunssBMC Savannah had a casting call for a hand and body double for Daniel Sharman
@Troy Otto yeah im convinced its troy now that someone convinced me on tiktok comments lmao
There was a picture leaked from the filming set where you can see the name "Troy Otto" on a chair.
This was absolutely tremendous I’m so excited to see him again man he was such an amazing character by the looks of it his hair has gotten alot longer but bro i wished they showed his face though that would have been crazy
I think it's his hand double in this scene.
Well he was only a one season character way back in season 3 so not sure why they're trotting him out now.
It’s Not even going to be him like WTF
@@itzgoldenvip1031 Its he's hand double Daniel Sharmen Is back as Troy they just use this person In this scene
The reason why they didn't show he's Face because It was he's hand double
Im soo fucking excited man, Troy was one of my favorite characters if not my top favorite next to Madison and Nick.
Troy: you know Madison I wanna ask you this question where’s Nick
Madison: he’s gone
Troy: oh he was a great friend until you got him to turn on me such a fool you are how did he die
Madison: the girl Charlie you captured she murdered my son out of no reason because her friend was murdered even the others from a group called the Vultures
I hope that walker, crazy dog, proctor john, Diana and Tobias all return too eventually
Are we forgetting Troy got his head bashed in enough to the point his BRAIN was exposed? How are they going to explain his return? 😅
They are going to bring him back like nothing happened
Just say she didn't hit him that hard to kill him. Heck, people survive much worse stuff.
@@patrickclaster1176 I’m pretty sure the people who “survive” these types of injuries are reduced to drooling vegetables who need someone to wipe their 🍑 for them
@@noone6787 You did hear about the Black boy who got a few weeks ago twice shot, once in the head, right? He is completely okay. They can retcon Troy's death easily, as in Madison thinking she killed him and halucinated it whole. His death isn't that hard to be retconed
@@patrickclaster1176 but the problem is Nick saw him die too. They even argued about it after the fact. I’m not doubting he’s coming back. Evidence shows he is but that doesn’t change the fact it was a stupid decision
I hope this is Troy Otto I want him to be final villain in this Series.
#JusticeIsComing
Yeah, but Troy literally says I knew I find you when I heard your radio broadcast and when he picks up the hammer and his glasses, you can tell that is Troy’s hand
they will perform a ritual with walkie talkies to bring nick back to life.
Travis should have returned after they killed him so easily
The other 50% if it can be Troy due to 2 things1. The hammer is clearly the same or similar to the one Madison used to "kill" Troy.
2. The map that you see shows a route marked the first point starts from Baja California Tijuana, The second point marks the border between Tijuana and the United States and if you remember passing the border there was the military base where Troy and his platoon were. The third point He's probably marking where the dam was and also last time where Madison was. From there the rest of the map marks the route where Madison was passing for years. Look, maybe I'm wrong in some details but I try to find the logic in how Troy was tracking Madison for a long time
it showed the person having longer hair so idk
Well those hands seem to be FEMALE, although I agree with you about the map. And those are definitely Strand's sunglasses and Alicia's arm.
@@WarGrowlmon18 I see the hands very young and Troy besides being white (I'm not racist) the times the camera was pointed at his hands they also look the same Troy's hair is messy and maybe during those years I let it grow and it already looks like a woman's hair
It is definitely not female.
That arm piece…Alicia?
And Strand's sunglasses.
Really strange but I’m interested to see where they go with it.
Maybe the producers will change Troy's death. but my serious theory Troy miraculously manages to "survive" from the blow of the hammer, he was saved by some Mexican survivor, helping him to heal and he decides to look for madison. although it can also be Alex from the episode Flight 462
I like both theories, and while Alex is more realistic, that’d be very boring and this person has lighter hair.
Alex 0% chance. Not even a interesting character to come back after 5min screen time.
It's Troy, Alicia or Qalataqa Walker.
@@FTWDTROY Another theory would be that after surviving Troy created a community and the person we see at the end is someone who works for him, that would explain why he has Alicia's prosthesis and Victor's glasses.
@@AN3CCAHNPOHands are too white to be Walker. Though i'd like him and Crazy Dog to return, but their actors hates the show now
Can’t wait for trizzoy!
Kirk just loves his cliff hangers
IT'S HIM - IT'S HIS HANDS!
Troy in season 3 made me think of ramsay bolton. I hope his need for revenge and isolation has made him even worse by this point.
You're right, i don't wanna see a pu$$y, hope the showruner don't ruin his character with some moral shit
God I hope it’s really him, Troy was my boy and I’ll be beyond psyched to see him again
Those coordinates mean that PADRE is on Ossbaw Island.
It's Al who left last season it's the glasses that give it away
thats what i thought too
Yes because she would have a map pointing from the dam to Savannah😂
The scene wouldn’t be this ominous if it was Al + since when did Al have Strand’s sunglasses? And the map from the Gonzalez dam through Texas to Louisiana
@@FTWDTROY Al always had sunglasses and the jacket seems similar to Al unless Troy collected things from people he killed to get to Madison which could make sense
@@chansophonlongthe sunglasses are Strand’s and the outfit worn by the person in the video matches a BTS pic of what supposedly is Troy’s outfit in season 8
I really hope they don’t bring him back to be a villain … and wasn’t troys right hand bandaged up from stabbing himself on purpose a scar like that would never go away
Yeah I don't think that's him. Fan delusions. But those items??? That was Alicia's arm and Strand's sunglasses.
It’s not fan delusions it has legit been leaked that he is returning and the clothes that person is wearing is what Troy is wearing in the leak.
@@andrewmorgan3967 Then what's with the long blonde hair and what looks like a girl's hands???
@@WarGrowlmon18 he has blonde highlights in his hair now dude he’s literally been leaked on set come on lmao
@@WarGrowlmon18 also u see on the map it’s from the damn in Mexico lol
Troy’s secret twin brother lmao
Oh damn! I just assumed this was alicia when the episode came out. Didnt notice there were two hands
They really foreshadowed this with "you never really lose people." Kind of like the "nobody's ever really gone" from star wars.
Omg if that's Troy, then I'd like an explanation as to how he survived a bludgeoned hit on his skull by Maddy. And seeing Alicia's arm was frightening not gonna lie. Brings me memories of Saw.
They didn't bother to explain how anyone survived the dam before, they won't now. When Troy was laying there after he got hit, you could see his brain exposed through the hole in his skull. There is a 0% chance he would have survived, but since these showrunners like bringing back dead characters with no explanation, I wouldn't put it past them
His brain wasn't exposed.
@@c.lvr2602don’t think it’s Troy the hands looks very feminine and you can see the hair when he/she’s leaning over
I think it might be Travis because we never got to see his body it would also explain him having Alicia's arm because he basically like her step dad and was also in the plane when he fell
I hope you're being sarcastic.
bros stupid
IT IS ALTHEA. The sunglasses are Isabel's, she wore them when she picked up the gang before the nuke went off. It is ALTHEA. The actress has blonde hair; Al's hair is clearly dyed in-character (it doesn't look natural), she was away from the group with a helicopter so meeting Alicia was plausible; and she knew Madison. Troy might be in the final part of the show but he has nothing to do with this scene. It is meant to look like a villain as a red herring
Yes, because she would be wearing Troy's clothes, watch and have his bag from season 3 lol
It’s Troy :/ they just announced it at comic con.
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!
I don’t see how people saw this and thought “OH YEAH THATS TROY” when it never shows a face, and for all we know this could be a girl
And the map, Baja California to Texa Posibility Troy. Strand lenses and alice arm and madison hammer. It's clearly troy wanting revenge.
Hey guys how’s the show been? I stopped watching after Nick died, but it looks like I’m finally going to check the show out again.
S4a solid, S4b a bit iffy, S5 awful, S6 Awesome, S7 Worst Season, S8a questionable so far
I thought it was a female until i looked at daniel sharman’s pics and i saw that he matches the arm that we see in the video+his hair is blonde especially with lighting like the video
The writing,the hammer everything is pointing tp troy
If that was the case, then why does the hands look like of a female, and there is also a piece of long blonde hair! My guess, it’s possibly someone related to Troy! Maybe it’s his mom, even though Troy confirmed she died of alcoholism, but what if she isn’t dead?!?
His hands are small in real life and there was a leaked photo of his new design and he has longer hair.
@@allenwebb2461I don't think so. If you look at the pictures from the leaked casting call, he has a similar hairstyle to season 3.
@@allenwebb2461 yea, maybe it might be Troy’s daughter! What if he got laid with Someone years prior to the outbreak?!? He’s not that young
@@David-xc4we yeah I think that would be cool to
@@David-xc4we He was early 20s in season 3, so he would be around 33 now. That doesn't really look like the hands of a 13 year old girl though
0:37 the first circle on the map on the left is right on the Gonzalez dam. It's definitely him
Troy Otto Final Villain in this Series.
Finally they resurrected Troy now we need to resurrected Nick and Travis
No, Nick was the worst.
@@TrohMaw well most people don't thinking that
ITS THE SAME HAMMER MADISON HIT HIM WJTH
That's a common kind of hammer. You can probably find one in any toolbox. But the arm and the sunglasses??? Those are Alicia's and Strand's respectively.
@@WarGrowlmon18 well when it comes to twd universe we’re so used of hints and so on. And its definitely Troy, definitely the same hammer. You’ll see in 8B😜 we’re up for a good wait 💔
@@ahmadh653 I point you to the female hands and the long blonde hair that's visible when she's writing down the coordinates.
I'm in a 50's and 50's which may or may not be Troy. The 50% not likely are glasses very similar to the ones Victor Strand wore when he was in his badass mode.
The glasses are Victor’s, the arm is Alicia’s, the hammer is Madison’s which she used to “kill Troy and there is also a map for the dam.
It’s 100% Troy.
@@NiqRipple That's why I said 😅 I am 50% that it will not be Troy and the other 50% I am almost sure that it is really the same Troy
The mystery character is Jadis from walking dead/beyond
You guys are probably right😒, Troy is alive without any reason how.And I hope he will be there in the last episodes
If Troy is still alive, they could bring back Travis too
Yeah, they both had what looked like fatal injuries and they both pretty much died on screen but if they do bring Troy back I will definitely not be watching the show, I don’t watch it anyway but it’s not going to change if I see Troy
Hahaha
I want Nick back to
If they bring back Troy witch I am glad they did bring back Nick Clark
Travis fell out of a helicopter after being shot by a sniper rifle. I know troy living is unrealistic but come on.
Chris on the other hand could make sense since his "death" was entirely flashbacks and maybe they could retcon it by saying the guys didn't actually kill him they just left him to die in a really painful way and thought it would be better to say they killed him but he actually lived.
Here my guess all the stuff are stuff Troy has collected from them(like the hammer maybe after he woke up, sunglasses from Travis, and Alicia’s arm idk how that could have happened maybe some sort of stocking thing) but in this scene I think it may just be someone Troy works with now
No damage to hand (Literally stabbed all the way through in season 3), Long blonde hair - shoulder length, Hit in head twice with a hammer, flooded, caught in explosion and likely crushed by debris. ItS TrOY. It's clearly Proctor John.
You sound very confident for someone so wrong
@@Phelps-1247r/woooosh
Whene the part 2 of fear the walking dead will coming? Please repeat
Can anyone explain how they think its troy when this person has blonde hair but in other leaked pictures its his normal hair? Like sure it's probably him but..tf? Could they not get a stunt double or is that supposed to be like his daughter
My thoughts too. I noticed the shoulder length, blonde hair and wondering how it's Troy. He had brown hair.
It’s happening today. I’m ready for y’all to be proven wrong…
You should pin a link to the recap of the comic con panel, where they confirm his return. Every time i rewatch this clip, i see new people saying it's not him, he's dead blah blah🤣
The hammer is the same hammer
I wish Tobias Return
This isn’t Troy, when this person is writing you guys look in around the top right corner and you will see this person has I’d say around shoulder length hair and it’s blonde, As we know Troy doesn’t have blonde hair nor was his hair that long either, so this is someone else. Maybe it’s someone we know from one of the other seasons or it’s someone we don’t know yet.
What if it's Chris?
Troy was pretty dead, like, hole in his head dead. Plus those hands don't look like they belong on Troy.
But Chris, Chris' death scene was in a memory flashback, told by someone who really didn't care about him, what if the guy just told Travis that because he really just got scared and ran away, leaving his son to die. Maybe he though Travis would take it better or thank him for showing his son mercy..
It would make more sense with the hands and how he holds Alicia arm, like he has longing or some sick connection with it, like Chris did with Alicia.
The hammer is another thing though, it could be that Chris has been tracking them down or following them for some time, picking up random mementos and thing they left behind, like the hammer.
I think it’s jack from season 2, he was a sea pirate that befriended Alicia. They left him on the harbour.
0:25 Troy had a scarf in the new clip
If this means Alicia died off screen imma be pissed
If troy Otto is returning then that means taka walker and crazy dog will return also help Madison and commander Daniel Salazar and strand to defend padre base against troy and his group
I really hope Troy didn’t kill Alicia…
Ikr and if he killed her then he definitely killed Victor
He doesn't know Victor. They never met each other. Victor is not dead because he still was in the opening credits.
yeah I’m pretty sure I saw Victor in the sneak peak thing for the second half of s8. Like I said though, really worried about Alicia. It would suck if they just had Troy kill her, maybe even offscreen, after they already made us think she was gonna die once.
That's Troy He Had The Hammer Madison Used On Him
Yup
How would Troy have Alicia's arm ?
Only thing that is odd to me is the hair. Daniel Sharman does have long hair now but that hair is much straighter than his hair is in real life
Agreed but that’s cause this is a body double so they didn’t have to pay Daniel for a scene where they didn’t show his face
I just recently seen his podcast with Brenden 😅 and he has short hair now, but the clips I've seen him in. I do see him with blonde highlights so it could be the way the camera is angled but from most of the comments I had if you watch it on TV, it's actually much darker then the way the clip is viewed.
@@brandidogil4035 This was his body double because Daniel didn't have citizenship till after this shoot. He's in the rest of the 6 episodes though.
No way to know for sure that this is Troy.
It looks like he's been tracking the group all this time, he has alicia's arm and strand's glasses, but, that long hair makes me doubt
And the hammer, the hammer it's exactly the one that madison used to attack Troy
@@ochoatrash It's also a common kind of hammer that can be found anywhere. Did you notice the long blonde hair that "Troy" here has too???
@@WarGrowlmon18 Yes, I commented that to other guy here, that can't be Troy, but of course is related to him, I really don't know what to expect
Also, do you know what the gray plastic thing in front of the map is?
Stopped watching this show a long time ago idk what’s going on I keep hearing padre gotta watch it and finish it
Oh yeah and I keep hearing something about Alicia I guess she vanished or something I just remember she got bit and had or has a forever fever or some shxt
@@twistedeternal8053She got bit, yeah, but she survived: Alicia actually beat the Walker Bite Infection, but the character departed from the show. And yeah, that's supposed to be Troy Otto or at least one of his people. PADRE is an island sanctuary in Georgia, it was built as part of a government doomsday plan, but the original leaders died early in the apocalypse and PADRE and its purpose got corrupted. They defeated those leaders and took PADRE over and Madison wants to return the kids that PADRE had kidnapped from their parents and remake it into the sanctuary that it was always supposed to be.
It’s Troy it’s been leaked
Troy's head was bashed to the point of brain exposed and then when the dam exploded, his body was washed away fast. I'm sorry, but if he survives, that would be very, very stupid.
That can't be. Madison cracked open his skull twice with a hammer in the last episode of the third season. And what is he doing with Alicia's fake arm😮😨
So he has been following them? The map has all their locations circled
Everyone arguing over if it’s Troy or not babes we don’t care bout Troy WE COULD BE FINALLY GETTING CONFIRMATION IF ALYSSA DIED AT THE RIVER OR NOT that’s more exciting to me like that’s defo her arm guys
it cant be alicia, she lost her arm, thats why she had that thing as her arm, and it aint troy, he had black hair and you can see the tip of hair and it was blonde and around past there neck
@@IGoByDevs did you read my message at all I know it can’t be Alyssa im saying and I’ll paraphrase it for you “we can get confirmation on her alive status if she’s dead or not” and the bit about the troy arguing in the comments was a joke
I never once said in my message THATS ALYSSA or THATS TROY re-read my comment have a nice day
how is that exciting bro you tryna be different
@@thewhovianwithasmallcollec7319who tf is Alyssa, at least write her name right 💀
It's Troy or someone related to him
Its Nick's girlfriend from the pilot!
she is dead
@@delacruzcordero8752 What makes you say that?
Morgan leaving, dwight maybe leaving, madison, troy, strand, daniel, maybe luciana, the shows going back to its roots.
I saw a 15 second teaser for 8B. Dwight and Sherry are still there
Also we finally see Strand and Luciana
@@Phelps-1247yeah but separate from the group it seems
@@FTWDTROY Ja, looks like the sanctuary👀
wasn't that the hammer that Maddison bashed in Troy's head in with in season 3 at the dam?
Yes
Unless troy bleached his hair and grew out his nails I think that's a blonde female
Yeah thats not Troy lmao.
@@eurech Explain the hammer then, that's litteraly the exact hammer Madison hit him with!
I screen shot it and looked at the nails the fingers tips are blueish like some type of bruising to them but the nails are normal length
@@JoeT-re5roI think it might be someone related to Troy!
It's likely the hand model they had a casting call for.
It’s clearly not Alicia, since the person has both their arms
It's someone with blonde hair. You can see it plain as day🙄
How do we know it's troy??? Plus I remember that there were so many reports of troy returning for s5, and....... Never mentioned him in s5 ever
I will post new evidence at some point
It’s not Troy, it should be Jack or that woman from Flight 462
Someone who wasn’t skull-cracked in the head with a hammer and drowned in a dam.
For sure it´s troy, but imagine the plot twist of being Nick!
He got a knife in his forehead and then was buried
@@FTWDTROY yes man I know... but I would be mad at all. All I wanted was Nick back :(
@@FTWDTROY In a show where flying a hot air balloon shaped like a beer bottle is a legitimate plot line, anything is possible. Heck, maybe we see Travis too. Why not?
For everyone saying this is Troy you are dumb. Look at the hands and the long blond hair. It's Alica. There is the right answer.
She’s got 1 arm
Im guessing strand is still alive & is gonna redeem him self & save madison from troy!😮👀
I think it's Al
That’s definitely Travis
Different hair + everything in this scene and the leaks all indicate Troy
Consider this my retirement from comedy
@@jaredeveler6308my bad bro😂. Some people were actually trying to tell me this was Alicia or Strand or Travis so I thought you were one of them 💀.
@@FTWDTROYIt's Strand! He bleached his hands💀💀
@@Phelps-1247dude no joke some guy said it’s Strand. I told him that’s impossible, and he goes “but it’s Strand’s sunglasses” 😂😂😂
I don't think it's him as he would have a scar on his left hand from a stab wound (when he should have been expelled from the farm)
So does this mean Alisha is dead? Because isn’t that her hand that she used? She wouldn’t have let it go willingly. Maybe she comes back for the series finale to help Madison stop Troy?
That’s not Troy as In season 3 as he was being exiled, he stabbed himself through the hand with the knife a Native American was holding, and you cannot see any scars on both hands
I thought that person is Proctor John from the dam.
That would actually be very interesting but the backpack is Troy’s from S3 and the watch is Troy’s from S3
@@FTWDTROYI see, thanks. Hope you are right. I would be hyped. Season 3 was such a wild ride.
are you kidding me l thought it was Alicia and l was like why she is having 2 hands... l want Alicia reunited with Madison before this show end..
Bruh it’s Al
Maybe it's Troys daughter revenge
The leaks are saying that Troy has a daughter but this person is Troy.
@@FTWDTROY Wait I have recently seen a teaser and it looks like troy is in it so now my hype is way higher. I saw this scene but I wanted to check on leaks and news first before I got my hopes up.
@@ChR4seV2Yeah, that's him in the 8B teaser. You see Madison almost striking him before Strand stops her. Also there's a glimpse of him and Madison on a collapsing bridge.
We see the hair a bit and it looks blond and Troy is not blond
This isn't Troy, but he is coming back.
This is Sarah. Wendell's sister.
It wouldn’t be this ominous and dark if it was Sarah
This isn't Sarah. She is around 50+. Hands look like 20/30.
Wait when Madison said if you lost a child it showed Alicia arm I mean I think that's hints that Troy killed her but I haven't seen much of fear so don't go ham if I sound like an idiot
He might’ve killed Alicia actually, I just doubt they’d kill one of the main characters offscreen
@@FTWDTROY True he might have been with the CRM after which is a dumb theory but if her or strand is alive then they might be prisoned somewhere.
@@FTWDTROYI think ADC made it very clear she wants to move on from FTWD. So i could definitely see them say she got killed off.
Troy has long blonde hair?