I use Cinestill 800T frequently at night in 35mm with a Fuji TX-1 and in 120 with various panoramic cameras, often with very good results. My favorite shot with it, however, was a 6x6 with a Mamiya C220, at night, of a pub in Japan.
Thank you, Looks like your evening shot with the fading day light were all biased towards the blue. I'll be shooting through an 85. The tips on the ISO 500 are also helpful
Got my hands on one of the free 120 versions that Cinestill was giving away. I pushed it to 1600 and shot it on 6x9. It's absolutely stunning. Can't wait to pick up more when it hits the shelves.
Great to hear that. I am also currently waiting for my first 120 rolls from the Alpha production run which was the perk from the BackerKit campaign. I might do another video on this one. :)
Thanks for the video! It's basically a movie film Kodak Vision3 T500. So it's ISO 500 film :) They claim it's 800 because of the remjet they've removed. I've gotten sad results relying on 800, though. As for daylight, it can be shot with an 85A filter to warm up the light, of course, if that blueish look is not something that you are looking. BTW I love how that blueish look looks awesome in your dusk time architecture photos!
Hey @so expired - What if overexposing the film to 500 iso doesn't cut it, and you need a more major light bump, as in Pushing this film and shooting it @1600 iso? 1. Any tips or guidelines for doing so? (Is it true you should tell the lab to push process by +2 stops instead of +1?) 2. Also, how will the image alter when pushing? Will it be more contrasty? Will it lose details?
Hey @so expired - What if overexposing the film to 500 iso doesn't cut it, and you need a more major light bump, as in Pushing this film and shooting it @1600 iso? 1. Any tips or guidelines for doing so? (Is it true you should tell the lab to push process by +2 stops instead of +1?) 2. Also, how will the image alter when pushing? Will it be more contrasty? Will it lose details?
I really like this film for night time cityscape - double exposure. Throw some gels on off flash for some fun. It does have good shadow detail at box speed but I wouldn't recommend pushing or pulling this film - colors tend to wash out a bit for my taste.
Really? No pushing with this film? I've seen a video where this Chinese camera store owner says he likes pushing this 800T to @1600. What will happen to the image? P.s- is it true you'll have the lab push the developing by +2 stops instead of +1 for shooting @1600 ?
I tried the 800T for some evening shooting and used 800ASA.. it worked but needed more light. I like the halation effect and the slight teal look but well after dark the teal almost goes away and the red halation overpowers things... I call it a 1 hour before sunset to 1 hour after sunset film... I really like it then but before or after that regular Kodak or Fuji films work better. Next time I will try it during that golden hour at 500 ASA... I used their 50asa B&W film and it is GREAT.. good contrast and great midtones. Micro contrast is there.. my only gripe is 50 asa. Shooting mid day there is no problem but within an hour of sunrise or that last hour to sunset 50asa is really slow film to use. Like the results but the film needs sun.
Wow...so this film sounds tricky, man. Say you shoot with a subject at a gas station at night, ok? Shooting @500 won't cut it, I'm sure. So, this leaves you to pushing and shooting @1600, hoping it'll be enough light so you wont have to shoot @3200. Feels like this film was made to be shot at hong kong or times square. Where you're surrounded by many lights (see how good the image at the lighting store is -in this video). But, what if you shoot when not all lights are wrapped around you?... I wonder...
I shoot it at 500 in day light with an 85 filter (tungsten film is not as sensitive in daylight) and at 640 in bright tungsten situations so I don’t blow out the highlights too much. I use it on my Leica M5 which has a super accurate spot meter. Once I’m in low light I shoot wide open (f2 or f1.4) with a 50th of a second or slower and the shadow detail is quite amazing. The film is generally on the grainier which I don’t mind especially since the colors are very nice when properly scanned.
I don't know if it's that light hungry, because it is very light sensitive at the same time. Hence the coloured streaks of light on the first images that many people have. I feel that the trick with this film is to slightly overexpose it and have multiple artificial light sources like the one from the light shop. The internal meter is fine because those are mostly center balanced grey meters that do the job good enough for the setting its used in. This will create the cinematic vibe that should be expected from this film.
What's up Max how are you? What I notice in particular about this film is its unique color palette. It seems to have a slight teal and orange complementary color scheme and good contrast between light and dark. I've never seen that before. Now that I think of it I wasn't paying attention to the highlights I may need to watch the video again to see if I see any halos.
Another great episode! Love the photography, both stills & video. I’m a sucker for architecture, love the shoots, angels, abstract. Allow me to say, poetry in motion. Question for Xmas for both of you: what is good photography? Technically precise - composition, detail, style, etc or Emotion, carpe diem - capturing the moment, etc? I ask, as seeing your vlogs, there are some that I am drawn to, not because of their technical competence (which is subjective to the viewers eyes) but more for the emotions they transmit. Like a sketch, a few pencil strokes, actually says more to me than the end product. Refer to Klimt/schiele, their sketches are so emotive that the paintings make less sense. On a previous episode, reviewing a Minolta lens, towards the end, though your exgfs B&W shots were off, they had so much poetry in them. The movement of her hair, the blur ... magical. It made the mind work even if technically flawed. Wabi sabi - perfect is imperfect, & imperfect is perfect. Any thoughts?
Thanks for your interesting comment, Hugo. Well, I've wondered that as well before. Personally, I am increasingly moving towards appreciating technical imperfection, at least with respect to portraits and street shots. I'm all for wabi sabi. Nevertheless, there are certain types of photography where technical perfection play a crucial role for the photograph to bring across its power (e.g. architecture). But for street shots and portraits, imperfection can be very valuable.
great video as always! do you recall what camera settings you used most during the night? im curious about the shutterspeed and aperture. I’m planning on going for a night session with my rolleiflex but I dint have a meter.
Thank you guys, for your excellent information. Just got myself a roll of the Cinestill 8oo. Feels like you provided me with a good starting point in using this film. At this moment in time I feel like I should use my Nikon F5 with the 50mm 1.4g. A day or so ago I was thinking of using my Leica M with a 35mm Summicron. but right now I am starting to think it may be out of my comfort zone. We'll see thanks of the info! P.S Great Channel.
Thanks so much for your kind feedback. Glad to see that our little video was helpful to you. Enjoy shooting the Cinestill, regardless of whether you use your Nikon F5 or Leica M. :)
I'm skeptical of your claims on push processing. In my experience, increased time in the developer raises the integral mask density without bringing up greater shadow detail. For those unfamiliar with the term integral mask: there is weak magenta dye in the red light sensitive (cyan dye forming) layer and stronger yellow dye in the green light sensitive (magenta dye forming) layer. Giving that orange colour on unexposed parts of the negs. Personally, I find a tripod useful rather than wanting faster film, especially for the kind of photography done in this video.
Ich hab 2 Rollen bei einer Feier verschossen bei ISO1600 und komplett künstlichem Licht. War sehr zufrieden. Sehr natürliche Hauttöne. Hat mir gut gefallen.
Loving your music choice! I have a roll of this film sitting in the fridge as well, so I'm really interested in what everyone has to say about it. I would probably not buy it again though, because it was just too expensive for my taste.
I like the content and presentations. About the metering is it like shoot at 500 and develop regularly or just meter for shadows.. or shoot at 500 metering shadows .. and was that the recommendation looking after your results ?? I’m gonna shoot some and was wondering .
Did you ever get a chance to test this film further? Would love to know if it was actually the way you metered that caused issues. (Love this channel btw)
Hello. Congrats for your approach. Did you lab developed the film at 800 or 500 iso? Because you shot at 500iso. Did you make any color correction after or during scanning? Thank you
ms01rci Yes, they just started shipping the alpha production of their 120 film to backers of their crowdfunding campaign and will then make it available to everyone else soon.
Great video Max. I have a few rolls and didn't have the chance to shoot them yet. Great advice regarding the ISO level. Buy the way, I have a strange question :) Does "Neckerman" superstore still exists? I remember visiting it when I was 10. It was the first escalator I saw in my life...
No that would be pulling it. Develop normal but overexpose at 500. The dynamic range of this film is very good and won't cause a problem. It results in a much cleaner image.
I would suggest going for ISO 400. But please mind your shutter speeds. If you are shooting in low light situations and use automatic metering, you might want to consider shooting from a tripod and using a cable release. But then you probably know that. :)
Cinestill is sadly very expensive but you can find people who roll the master rolls of Kodak Vision film into 35mm rolls and sell it for little money. You only have to develop for yourself and removing the remjet is very easy and cheap
Love the shot at 00:24 ! Beautiful video. I do have one question tho, have you guys ever shot movie film? I heard you have to develop it differently? Idk really appreciate anyone who can fill me in! Also i shoot film photography on my channel, would love for you to check it out! Love the music :)
I've gotten amazing results with this film stand developing it, shooting all the way up to ISO 3200. See my blog post here: photos.przepiora.ca/2017/02/14/the-great-c-41-stand-development-experiment-part-2-comparing-colour-negative-films-at-iso-1600/
Mark Przepiora Thanks for the interesting addition, Mark. Looks very interesting. Maybe Jules and I will try this for one of the first 120 film roles. :)
Amazing images from the Dusk in particular. I’m yet to test the 800T but the 50D has become my favorite film. It does have a fine details in shadow area. Checkout my shot on 50D @36.shots (instagram)
Ha, in der Ecke krieche ich auch immer gern rum. Zw. NS-Dokuzentrum und den PInakotheken gibt es viel zu endecken. Auch wenn man schon oft dort war. Einen Teil meiner ersten Rolle 800T habe ich auch dort verschossen und auch mit einer MInolta XD11, der US Version der XD7 :D. Richtig gut kommt der Film abends auf der Wiesn. Siehe da: www.flickr.com/photos/49370605@N04/21974844855/ www.flickr.com/photos/49370605@N04/21381063583/
I subscribed for the fantastic content. Thank you. Your voice is pleasing. I have one just very sincere request, please step back from the camera, you are a good looking man but your facial expressions make the voice distracting. May be its just me so I apologize dude. :-) Great great content watched 3 videos already.
Thanks a lot for your opinion. Maybe you should step back a bit from the screen to avoid all the ugly details. ;) But thanks for subscribing despite the gravity of my facial expressions. :)
I use Cinestill 800T frequently at night in 35mm with a Fuji TX-1 and in 120 with various panoramic cameras, often with very good results. My favorite shot with it, however, was a 6x6 with a Mamiya C220, at night, of a pub in Japan.
Thank you, Looks like your evening shot with the fading day light were all biased towards the blue.
I'll be shooting through an 85.
The tips on the ISO 500 are also helpful
Got my hands on one of the free 120 versions that Cinestill was giving away. I pushed it to 1600 and shot it on 6x9. It's absolutely stunning. Can't wait to pick up more when it hits the shelves.
Great to hear that. I am also currently waiting for my first 120 rolls from the Alpha production run which was the perk from the BackerKit campaign. I might do another video on this one. :)
Thanks for the video! It's basically a movie film Kodak Vision3 T500. So it's ISO 500 film :) They claim it's 800 because of the remjet they've removed. I've gotten sad results relying on 800, though. As for daylight, it can be shot with an 85A filter to warm up the light, of course, if that blueish look is not something that you are looking. BTW I love how that blueish look looks awesome in your dusk time architecture photos!
Hey @so expired - What if overexposing the film to 500 iso doesn't cut it, and you need a more major light bump, as in Pushing this film and shooting it @1600 iso?
1. Any tips or guidelines for doing so? (Is it true you should tell the lab to push process by +2 stops instead of +1?)
2. Also, how will the image alter when pushing? Will it be more contrasty? Will it lose details?
Hey @so expired - What if overexposing the film to 500 iso doesn't cut it, and you need a more major light bump, as in Pushing this film and shooting it @1600 iso?
1. Any tips or guidelines for doing so? (Is it true you should tell the lab to push process by +2 stops instead of +1?)
2. Also, how will the image alter when pushing? Will it be more contrasty? Will it lose details?
Its vision2 not 3
Cinestill 50 is vision 3
I really like this film for night time cityscape - double exposure. Throw some gels on off flash for some fun. It does have good shadow detail at box speed but I wouldn't recommend pushing or pulling this film - colors tend to wash out a bit for my taste.
Really? No pushing with this film?
I've seen a video where this Chinese camera store owner says he likes pushing this 800T to @1600. What will happen to the image?
P.s- is it true you'll have the lab push the developing by +2 stops instead of +1 for shooting @1600 ?
I tried the 800T for some evening shooting and used 800ASA.. it worked but needed more light. I like the halation effect and the slight teal look but well after dark the teal almost goes away and the red halation overpowers things... I call it a 1 hour before sunset to 1 hour after sunset film... I really like it then but before or after that regular Kodak or Fuji films work better. Next time I will try it during that golden hour at 500 ASA... I used their 50asa B&W film and it is GREAT.. good contrast and great midtones. Micro contrast is there.. my only gripe is 50 asa. Shooting mid day there is no problem but within an hour of sunrise or that last hour to sunset 50asa is really slow film to use. Like the results but the film needs sun.
Wow...so this film sounds tricky, man.
Say you shoot with a subject at a gas station at night, ok?
Shooting @500 won't cut it, I'm sure. So, this leaves you to pushing and shooting @1600, hoping it'll be enough light so you wont have to shoot @3200.
Feels like this film was made to be shot at hong kong or times square. Where you're surrounded by many lights (see how good the image at the lighting store is -in this video).
But, what if you shoot when not all lights are wrapped around you?... I wonder...
I shoot it at 500 in day light with an 85 filter (tungsten film is not as sensitive in daylight) and at 640 in bright tungsten situations so I don’t blow out the highlights too much. I use it on my Leica M5 which has a super accurate spot meter. Once I’m in low light I shoot wide open (f2 or f1.4) with a 50th of a second or slower and the shadow detail is quite amazing. The film is generally on the grainier which I don’t mind especially since the colors are very nice when properly scanned.
I don't know if it's that light hungry, because it is very light sensitive at the same time. Hence the coloured streaks of light on the first images that many people have. I feel that the trick with this film is to slightly overexpose it and have multiple artificial light sources like the one from the light shop. The internal meter is fine because those are mostly center balanced grey meters that do the job good enough for the setting its used in. This will create the cinematic vibe that should be expected from this film.
Skip to photos: @7:38
We haven't gotten the chance to shoot with the CineStill yet but this video has really convinced me it's time to give it a shot.
What's up Max how are you? What I notice in particular about this film is its unique color palette. It seems to have a slight teal and orange complementary color scheme and good contrast between light and dark. I've never seen that before. Now that I think of it I wasn't paying attention to the highlights I may need to watch the video again to see if I see any halos.
Raychristofer Thanks for your comment! Yes, good spot. You’re absolutely right regarding the film’s special color treatment. :)
Really interesting.I like the look a lot.
Another great episode! Love the photography, both stills & video. I’m a sucker for architecture, love the shoots, angels, abstract. Allow me to say, poetry in motion.
Question for Xmas for both of you: what is good photography? Technically precise - composition, detail, style, etc or Emotion, carpe diem - capturing the moment, etc? I ask, as seeing your vlogs, there are some that I am drawn to, not because of their technical competence (which is subjective to the viewers eyes) but more for the emotions they transmit.
Like a sketch, a few pencil strokes, actually says more to me than the end product. Refer to Klimt/schiele, their sketches are so emotive that the paintings make less sense. On a previous episode, reviewing a Minolta lens, towards the end, though your exgfs B&W shots were off, they had so much poetry in them. The movement of her hair, the blur ... magical. It made the mind work even if technically flawed. Wabi sabi - perfect is imperfect, & imperfect is perfect. Any thoughts?
Thanks for your interesting comment, Hugo. Well, I've wondered that as well before. Personally, I am increasingly moving towards appreciating technical imperfection, at least with respect to portraits and street shots. I'm all for wabi sabi. Nevertheless, there are certain types of photography where technical perfection play a crucial role for the photograph to bring across its power (e.g. architecture). But for street shots and portraits, imperfection can be very valuable.
great video as always! do you recall what camera settings you used most during the night? im curious about the shutterspeed and aperture. I’m planning on going for a night session with my rolleiflex but I dint have a meter.
Thank you guys, for your excellent information. Just got myself a roll of the Cinestill 8oo. Feels like you provided me with a good starting point in using this film. At this moment in time I feel like I should use my Nikon F5 with the 50mm 1.4g. A day or so ago I was thinking of using my Leica M with a 35mm Summicron. but right now I am starting to think it may be out of my comfort zone. We'll see thanks of the info! P.S Great Channel.
Thanks so much for your kind feedback. Glad to see that our little video was helpful to you. Enjoy shooting the Cinestill, regardless of whether you use your Nikon F5 or Leica M. :)
I'm skeptical of your claims on push processing. In my experience, increased time in the developer raises the integral mask density without bringing up greater shadow detail. For those unfamiliar with the term integral mask: there is weak magenta dye in the red light sensitive (cyan dye forming) layer and stronger yellow dye in the green light sensitive (magenta dye forming) layer. Giving that orange colour on unexposed parts of the negs. Personally, I find a tripod useful rather than wanting faster film, especially for the kind of photography done in this video.
Ich hab 2 Rollen bei einer Feier verschossen bei ISO1600 und komplett künstlichem Licht.
War sehr zufrieden. Sehr natürliche Hauttöne. Hat mir gut gefallen.
Loving your music choice!
I have a roll of this film sitting in the fridge as well, so I'm really interested in what everyone has to say about it. I would probably not buy it again though, because it was just too expensive for my taste.
Are you overexposing it by shooting it at 500 ISO, or are you pulling it 1.5 stops?
lilityger19 I am overexposing it or to be more precise just exposing it the way it was meant to. :)
I like the content and presentations. About the metering is it like shoot at 500 and develop regularly or just meter for shadows.. or shoot at 500 metering shadows .. and was that the recommendation looking after your results ?? I’m gonna shoot some and was wondering .
Love your reviews very helpful very informative. Excellent work
Did you ever get a chance to test this film further? Would love to know if it was actually the way you metered that caused issues. (Love this channel btw)
Hello. Congrats for your approach. Did you lab developed the film at 800 or 500 iso? Because you shot at 500iso.
Did you make any color correction after or during scanning? Thank you
Thanks for your comment. My lab developed the film at box speed. No color corrections by my lab or myself. :)
This has a very interesting color palette. I like the look with incandescent light. Do they make it in 120 film rolls?
ms01rci Yes, they just started shipping the alpha production of their 120 film to backers of their crowdfunding campaign and will then make it available to everyone else soon.
Great video Max. I have a few rolls and didn't have the chance to shoot them yet. Great advice regarding the ISO level.
Buy the way, I have a strange question :) Does "Neckerman" superstore still exists? I remember visiting it when I was 10. It was the first escalator I saw in my life...
Thanks for your comment. No, I am not aware of any "Neckermann" super store in Munich. Sorry about that. :)
I really like your presentations,...keep up the good work!
if you are shooting at iso 500, how are you developing it? at the standard recommended speed/time?
Yes, exactly.
@@AnalogInsights ?
Nice review and interesting looking film. I might look into getting some for my Mamiya C220 sometime :)
Should I shoot at least at 500 iso with this will
Great video and beautiful shots! So I shoot at 500 and I have it developed as a 500 ASA film? :)
No that would be pulling it. Develop normal but overexpose at 500. The dynamic range of this film is very good and won't cause a problem. It results in a much cleaner image.
my camera only has an option for 400 or 1000 iso. which should I use? going to be shooting in low light/indoors
I would suggest going for ISO 400. But please mind your shutter speeds. If you are shooting in low light situations and use automatic metering, you might want to consider shooting from a tripod and using a cable release. But then you probably know that. :)
Thanks, I'll see how it turns out!
Cinestill is sadly very expensive but you can find people who roll the master rolls of Kodak Vision film into 35mm rolls and sell it for little money. You only have to develop for yourself and removing the remjet is very easy and cheap
Great video Max
Feel like I was in 80's ...... ISO usually we call it ASA in film age !!!! if I'm not wrong ?
Love the shot at 00:24 ! Beautiful video. I do have one question tho, have you guys ever shot movie film? I heard you have to develop it differently? Idk really appreciate anyone who can fill me in! Also i shoot film photography on my channel, would love for you to check it out! Love the music :)
Did indeed enjoy it. Great stuff.
Nice discussion! thanks.....
I've gotten amazing results with this film stand developing it, shooting all the way up to ISO 3200. See my blog post here: photos.przepiora.ca/2017/02/14/the-great-c-41-stand-development-experiment-part-2-comparing-colour-negative-films-at-iso-1600/
Mark Przepiora Thanks for the interesting addition, Mark. Looks very interesting. Maybe Jules and I will try this for one of the first 120 film roles. :)
WO lässt du denn entwickeln'??
PoepelSMC Hi! Bei MeinFilmLab (www.meinfilmlab.de).
Amazing images from the Dusk in particular. I’m yet to test the 800T but the 50D has become my favorite film. It does have a fine details in shadow area. Checkout my shot on 50D @36.shots (instagram)
Nice shots
nice
fractal_force Thanks!
Did you ever try and push this film? That's what I'm thinking of doing. thanks
Ha, in der Ecke krieche ich auch immer gern rum. Zw. NS-Dokuzentrum und den PInakotheken gibt es viel zu endecken. Auch wenn man schon oft dort war. Einen Teil meiner ersten Rolle 800T habe ich auch dort verschossen und auch mit einer MInolta XD11, der US Version der XD7 :D. Richtig gut kommt der Film abends auf der Wiesn.
Siehe da:
www.flickr.com/photos/49370605@N04/21974844855/
www.flickr.com/photos/49370605@N04/21381063583/
Cool, das ist ja witzig. Gib Bescheid falls du mal eine Runde fotowalken möchtest. :)
Mach ich. Kennst du das APHOG Forum? Wir machen meist im Frühjahr ein Treffen in München. Vlt. hast du und Jules ja mal Bock.
I subscribed for the fantastic content. Thank you. Your voice is pleasing. I have one just very sincere request, please step back from the camera, you are a good looking man but your facial expressions make the voice distracting. May be its just me so I apologize dude. :-) Great great content watched 3 videos already.
Thanks a lot for your opinion. Maybe you should step back a bit from the screen to avoid all the ugly details. ;) But thanks for subscribing despite the gravity of my facial expressions. :)
Dope music! Damn better that most shitty hipster film photography channel.