The Barbary States - The Final Yarrs
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- Опубликовано: 31 авг 2021
- Today we start to look at the last half-century of the history of the Barbary States and how they eventually became the architects of their own demise.
Sources:
www.amazon.co.uk/Pirate-Killers-Royal-African-Pirates/dp/1848842406
www.amazon.co.uk/Barbary-Wars-American-Independence-Atlantic-ebook/dp/B000SBTWN2
www.amazon.co.uk/Thomas-Jefferson-Tripoli-Pirates-Forgotten-ebook/dp/B00SI0B5GW
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
I'm sure someone has already asked this, but in the intro, the gun shot near the end where something is seen to burst from the turret- any idea what is going on there? It seems like the canvas cover around the gun ruptured. If this is a FAQ, please forgive me.
Could Japan have made landings in India to bypass Burma during WW2?
Source of the thumbnail pic? Thanks a lot.
In the unlikely scenario that the United States and Canada were on opposite sides of World War One, what would Great Lakes naval buildup and fighting look like if it went on several years? Does Canada, even assuming British backing, stand any chance?
Do you think Popov's rounded ships could have had promise if that line of thinking had been more thoroughly explored? The Livadia's problems seem to have come more from her flat bottom then her rounded design, and her stability and maneuverability didn't come at the cost of speed or efficiency.
If the answer is no, are there any other unorthodox ship design ideas from the end of the nineteenth century that could have held promise, but never took off?
The story of Stephen Decatur and the scuttling of the USS Philadelphia, an operation which Lord Nelson called "the most bold and daring act of the Age" really deserved its own video.
Who says Decatur won't have his own video at some point? :D
Agree. Everyone from Philly is fed the whole story at a young and impressionable age, Ask me how I know.
@@Drachinifel I would really like to see your recounting of this story. It is pretty epic.
@@Glo00n Hi five from a former resident of Sydney.
The destruction of the Philadelphia and the marines at derna were both amazing stories to me when I was a teenager. The fledgling new USA with all it's political bickering and lack of money actually built up naval forces to try to do something about the pirates across the Atlantic, at a time when the European powers seemed content to pay tribute, hard to believe... between that and the quasi-war the us finally realized it had to maintain some sort of navy, like it or not. I vaguely remember reading years ago that one of the rulers told the Americans this is our way of doing things and the Koran justifies it because you are unbelievers lol
So the bottom line is this: Stand up to bullies and save yourself a bunch of trouble later on.
Problem is the bullies historically had plenty of boot to kick yo ass. Stand them down at your own Risk.
If you want peace, prepare for war.
@@mitchellhawkes22
And historically paying them off only ironed their boot so they could kick yo ass harder. Many an Empire was brought to the brink by subsidizing their neighbors' militarization.
Seems like people did just fine paying them off though, by and large, and maybe they were right to shy from outright invading and attempting to build friendly new nations.
@@tieck4408
What kind of utterly cuckolded way of thinking is this? "Yes, it's just fine we're paying these people who are attacking us and taking our people into slavery just so they don't attack us for a little bit - you know, until they do it again and demand more tribute". Tribute is what weak states pay to strong states, not the other way around. Those that attack you deserve your ire, those that _take your people into bondage_ deserve nothing less than complete eradication.
Everything beyond that is a mercy you afford them out of the benevolence of your heart.
Southern part of Iceland was also raided by the barbar pirates. They are know here as the Turk Pirates and those raids are known as the Turk Raides.
Somewhat ironic as many of the Icelanders ancestors were Vikings and not above piracy.
I remember reading something when I was a teenager and seeing a reference to Iceland being raided by barbary pirates, I was shocked but other sources online also mentioned it. I think that was back in their heyday or golden age around 16th and 17th centuries, I think in later times as in this video they weren't going up there anymore but were still very problematic around Mediterranean
That would be Murat Rais, spelling optional. Actually a Dutchman who conveniently converted to Islam. Also occupied the island of Lundy in the Bristol Channel. Supposedly an ancestor of Humphrey Bogart and Jacky Kennedy.
@@bigblue6917 Nobody is above piracy.
@@brianensign7638 to paraphrase one man's privateer is another man's pirate
How to negotiate with pirates - you shoot them until they agree to your terms.
How not to negotiate with pirates - give them money and ships for not attacking your merchant navy.
... or just be a Royal Navy at its prime, so noone wants to mess with you to begin with.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Also, get bitch-slapped with a fly whisk, proceed to invade and occupy a country for over a century.
@Andreas Glad It's the same thing if your terms are "fkn die already"
Starboard batteries, in ripples, from the fore, FIRE AS SHE BEARS!
Or, in the words of a fictional warship captain 30'000years later: *"FIRE THE URSUS CLAWS"*
Royal Navy is paid by the people. Call it the People's Navy?
Thomas Jefferson excelled at arguing both sides of an issue simultaneously; that way he could tell himself he was never wrong
Jefferson was Governor of Virginia when the British invaded during the Revolutionary War... He absolutely agreed that they had to build up a military force to protect themselves, but then continually found excuses NOT to raise money to support this military force.
Sounds like he'd do well today.
Remember this the next time someone tries to tell you the founding fathers were genius who made the best government ever.
@@blastermanr6359 I can imagine a few that I know who might stop blindly worshipping him if you told them he was in favor of defunding the military...
@@andrewgause6971 defend the the military. Don't you have to fund it first
A sad consideration was that the captives were used as motor power for the galleys ,
the barbary pirates were notorious for wearing out their rowers quickly , basically working them to death , tossing the bodies overboard then getting a new batch
this was very efficient and saved on food and water in the cargo hold as long as supply was plentiful
And today is called a business model for Amazon and Uber.
@@delurkor spot on
Nah, not likely but attrition rate must have been high because of sanitary issues.
@@808bigisland No , it was a deliberate policy , row them to death and get some more , whole regions in the Mediterranean coast were depopulated , slaving raids was the most profitable source of income for the Barbary coast pirates ,some were ransomed some were sold some were worked to death
That was a commmon practice that was used by almost all the mediteranian countries. Since the day the galley was invented. Most rowers did not do so voluntary its a shit job lol.
The scope of the enslaving depredations visited upon the continously raided coastlines seems to get lost in the casual story telling of merchant vessels in peril.
We are talking about an excess of 1.250.000 western europeans being carried away to abject slavery. Not counting over two million eastern europeans that ended up being sold through Istambul. These figures are staggering and get seldom spoken about.
Everyone was at it at the time, the Turks and Europeans both hated each other as slavers.
The abolition of Slavery by Britain was globally revolutionary.
Seldom spoken about? More like never spoken or talked about, mainly because we live in a time that everything is, somehow, America’s fault. Slavery? America started that. Sadly a lot of teachers don’t know this and are busy spinning a b.s. narrative. Personally history should be taught completely, not fitting one narrative or the other. Hell all subjects should taught that way. Sorry fir the mini rant.
@@tarn1135 slavery is the oldest business of man, predating metal. America has done many things wrong, but I don't think they are to blame for this one.
And if you mean the Atlantic slave trade, it would probably be the Spanish, though everyone else immediately followed suit.
@@josephlongbone4255 You're 100% correct, however in many American schools (because of politics) slavery is taught as a western invention & the worst perpetrator is the USA. It's bull, but it is what is taught.
@@josephlongbone4255 Its kinda amazing how bad your comment is and that 3 people were ignorant enough to like it. Most of the Europe abolished slavery few centuries before the British made the decision to do it.
So first part about "everyone was at it at the time" is a false statement as majority of Europe were not at it for a very long time. My country in the midle of Europe abolished it over a century before America was disovered and betwen that and the period you are talking here about we got plenty of wars with Turks...
So the second part is just some attempt by you to project your almost complete ignorance of geography onto Turks.
The third part is a false statement because British empire was not the centre of the world and the whole slavery bussines was more and more economically unjustified for British so even for them it was not a revolution but simply an evolution and industrial revolution was the main reson for it. You need to hire educated people to operate complex machines, you would need to provide food, home and cloths but also an education and then to protect that investment you would need to provide medication/treatment to your slave... so hiring a normal citizen was simply cheaper!
Oh Drach, US Marines are very sensitive about their traditions and history. There is no Marine Corps "Anthem." It is the "Marines' Hymn."
Yes, Drill Instructors are very picky about details like that.
Great History! Thank you! Keep up the great work!
From the halls of montezuma to the shores of Tripoli. And that’s all I remember
"We Fight Our Countries Battles on the land, in air and sea."
They fight for Crayons
@Christopher Ridle, Quite picky, about details. One example, I left out some "colorful loud language"
Two Highly motivated Drill Instructors at the same time explaining that recruit's lack of attention to certain details perhaps was a failing on their part that would be squared away right now, if it took until recruits enlistment was up.
Who cares lol
Pirating was definitely a long established Mediterranean profession. For example, even Julius Caesar had some experience with them.
Yes he crucified them
Wherever you have a reliable presence of merchant shipping, you will have pirates. It’s a fact of all maritime shipping, through all time
@@Deadxman616 good man, understood how to speak pirate.
The Roman Caesar did his share of piracy, Although it was mostly land based piracy. The riches of Rome funded by the looting of his victims.
Nations and cities even had to pay tribute tax to Rome under the threat of the sword.
Real nice guy that Caesar dude is, yeah?
Pompey organized several fleets and systematically swept the whole Mediterranean and destroyed over 1300 pirate vessels in the summer of 66.
He ended up resettling a whole bunch of them because he recognized the problem of desperation.
You are remarkably fair when discussing the awkward occasions of battle between the cousins.
Most Brits cant resist sneering.
Chippy.
as a brit, that has not been my experience.
the british are happy to let bygones be bygones and get on with addressing the furtherance of the common good.
if anyone has a chip on their shoulder that they refuse to put down, its the americans.
at least, thats how it looks from where i stand.
if we hate anyone its the french!
and thats only because its traditional lol.
britian (and england in particular) has been around too long to hold grudges anymore.
I'm not surprised there is a difference of opinion here.
Waiting for a couple of yanks to steam up in support.
@@ropeburnsrussell ill put the kettle on. tea?
@@viridisxiv766 Beer?
28:50 That painting of US Marines assaulting Derna was painted by Charles Waterhouse, who passed away in 2013. He was a Marine who received a Purple Heart in WWII and became the USMC's only "Artist in Residence" and painted various historical scenes in USMC history from the Continental Marines of the 1770s to US Marines in modern times. I believe the officer depicted here with the red plume holding a musket up and leading his Marines is 1st Lt. Presley O'Bannon, who was later awarded the "sword of the Mamelukes", which serves as the pattern for the current Marine officer's sword, often seen in recruiting ads today. It's a straight blade with an ivory grip, as opposed to the NCO sword, which is a curved blade with a black leather grip.
So now everyone knows USA first war abroad wasn't in Central America, or south America. The old new reliable, the Middle East.. Over 200 years ago.
@@declanfitzpatrick6747 technically speaking North Africa is not in the Middle East, or even particularly close
How can the grips be made of ivory? Certainly they switched to a replacement material.
@@gobblox38 as he stated, it's the pattern for the current Marine officer's sword. It's no longer ivory, just as the blade is no longer fighting sharp. The original Mameluke sword belonged to the Pasha of Tripoli, and was presented to Presley O'Bannon when the Marines deposed the Pasha's brother, who had wrongfully usurped the throne. So says the legend, anyway. Semper Fidelis.
When you geek over a dead painters colour choices of a single painting they did , almost certainly without references......He was a marine, and wounded... (sucker and loser for sir Mr still our president),
Way to go Enterprise, kicking ass over the centuries.
🖖
USS Enterprise also took part of the war of 1812 and engaged against the HMS Boxer and captured her.
Let's make sure history never forgets the name... Enterprise! - Jean-Luc Picard
:-) I'm a USS Enterprise vet. Served on her almost 5 years. Never involved in any wars though, but my ship was involved in the Vietnam war before my time. I'm happy a new one will be built. It's got quite the legacy.
@@jimmym3352 I very recently saw the cvn-65. So sadly to see it sitting there.
@Israel Hands yeah we, Americans, stole the HMS Enterprize from the Brits in revolutionary war. Well Benedict Arnold and his soldiers did and they were Americans so it still fits, and we Americans made Enterprise not only a legend but a name of honor for all. Btw there’s no such thing as American words. We speak English here, well some or most of us do. Regardless it matters not where a word originated.
Damn pirates pilfered all my resolutions higher than 360p ...
HD should be available soon :)
I have read something of these pirate slavers. For many piracy was a side issue with slavery being the main reason for the attacks.
Apparently they raided as far north as Iceland, enslaving an entire village. They did the same in Ireland taking most of the population of a village into slavery. Only two of those taken made it back home. In the 16th century slave ships in the English Channel were taken with attempts to raid towns and villages on the English coast. And, of course the Mediterranean islands such as Malta were frequently raided along with European countries with a Mediterranean coastline.
None of this was new. Piracy in the Mediterranean had been a huge problem for the Romans and remained so until they sent out their navy to kill, capture or drive off the pirates. The irony here is that many of the slaves taken by the pirates were actually sold in Roman slave markets.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
What was the big motivator for raiding non-Islamic states after 700 AD? Yeah, the infidel at best deserves slavery as taught in the Koran, the most evil book in history. Slavers still operate today where the evil regime of Satan's servant Mohammed reigns. If there is no profit, then death to the infidel. The founder of the most evil religion ever was killed by a slave whose family he had murdered. Mohammed's punishments in Hell are multiplied the more his evil teachings spread. Accursed is Mohammed and his vile evil teachings, murderer, pedophile oath breaker and enslaving liar. Vile, evil, wicked filth of the Devil. But then, what do I know, maybe he was a nice guy who loved dogs like Hitler did.
Rome needed 400,000 new slaves every year to sustain itself.
@@magnacarta9364 Wow.
@@MountainFisher lmao I love the idiotic anti Islamic comments in the comment section that are always hiding in these types of videos 🤦🏾♂️😂
I know some cringe weirdo is gonna be like “he’s right though” 🤮. A bunch of colonialist and imperialists apologists everywhere these days
The Barbary States had already been softened up by the Spanish Navy expedition (1775-1785). More than 25,000 European slaves were liberated from North Africa.
NORTH AFRICA NEVER ENSLAVED EUROPEANS
Nope you spain lost the war ?
They wrote a whole book on their European historical whitewashing lies---the so called "Barbary" are the term they used for the European born and expelled Moors, Africans, Jews and Muslims, who were still seething from the expulsions from Europe, that they literally took-over the entire Mediterranean sea board and parts of the coastal Atlantic, as restitution ---on the other hand the reconquista, had already metastasized into full board conquest, SLAVERY and colonialism, and that was the backdrop of the so called treaty of Tripoli...
Splendid overview of the barely discussed Barbary events. Slavery is only taught as a American Southern Plantation problem, the educational system is virtually blind to this. World needed an Interpol, c1750.
It's taught because that's what's relevant to American history. Why should Americans learn about other people being enslaved?
@@YasukeKomiya White Americans enslaved in Africa, ok nothing to learn here. back to the approved syllabus, masks on.
This old lie won't die. US students are taught about all sorts of slaves.
@@YasukeKomiya africans want 'their' history. Here it is, 18million slaves taken by Islam. Men castrated and women primarily for sex. Black slave traders were very wealthy. I understand why you'd want to ignore those parts. Efunroye Tinubu, Ayuba Suleiman Diallo and Mansa Musa are just some being of your hidden history. Black skinned people are probably the most lied to people on earth. By everyone.
@@YasukeKomiya Americans were enslaved by the pirates.
"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute" is ironically an American saying from 1797 prompted by the demand to pay bribes to the French foreign minister (the XYZ Affair resulting in the Quasi-War) instead of tribute to Barbary princes.
No no! Not a sixpence!
@@BlindMansRevenge2002 Or a Franc!
@@bjturon Two things to consider about France. 1. Their most famous and most feared armed forces are made up by foreigners. 2. The first question the officer corps is taught to ask is "Can we surrender yet?
@@Proudmale Third thing the english were defeated by the French in Europe and America, washington was defeated by them in 1754 and your country wouldn't exist without French army
Interesting frog history @@niksarass
I was taught about the Barbary Pirates in school but never to the extent of detail and truth that you imparted. Once again, Sir, masterful piece of work and thank you.
Morroco Kingdom: Hey US, its nice of you gaining independence, well done on getting rid of your colonizers, Congratulations!
Also Morocco: Hey, nice ships you have there
ABSOLUTELY! LOL...All those times I heard someone say "Morrocco was the first nation to recognize the USA"... Well, I guess now I got a reply to them lol.
meanwhile, the British Empire: No taxation, no escort for navigation.
Doesn't the line go "Nice ship youse got der, to bad if sumin happened to it."
@@MarkVrem Morroco: "Nice nation you got there ... Now give me your money!"
@@CanalTremocos And then the US built a navy and marine corps, and proceeded to reject the Barbary States' tribute system and kick the Barbary States' ass.
I have been looking for a barbary doco for so many years.. Finally one, from a high quality content creator. Excellent.
There’s an excellent book on the 1 million slaves and the human cost of North African slavery called ‘White Gold’ by Giles Milton.
Propaganda
@@youarealooser121truth
It's amazing how the European powers put up with this shit for so long.
Putting down such a wide-spread issue is difficult on the tactical level, a painful slog strategicaly and a logistical nightmare.
There was a lot of coastline, many fortified harbours and hiding places and lots of Hinterland to cut and run to if the shit hit the fan.
Putting the Barbary Pirates down for good would have required a complete subjugation of the entire nort african coast and effectively indefinete occupation.
Not fun.
Playing a prolonged game of whack-a-mole was often the best they could do given the strategic situation.
Yes and it is still happening in one way or another. Pan Am #103 comes to mind.
@@Bird_Dog00 Yeah, but there's playing whack-a-mole and then there's building them more warships by way of tribute than you're currently building for your own navy.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu That's the US Govt.
Your original Comment was about european powers.
@@Bird_Dog00 Were they still under the nominal protection of the Ottoman Empire? There's always the risk that this protection would be more than nominal if they pushed too far.
"So the Barbery pirates passed into history" At least for NOW. Give it a few years....
And there I was, laboring under the misunderstanding that Burberry Pirates were notable for their refusal to be seen wearing inferior clothing.
Just because your a pirate does not mean you can't look good.
I thought the Barbery Pirates would take ships and give the crews new haircuts.
excellently funny"
I'm sure they've been on the cover of Vogue circa 1690 🤣
@@colbypupgaming1962 Barbering is a cutthroat business
This title is genius.
Also, I didn't appreciate how important the Barbary pirates were in the establishment of the US federal government and navy.
I'm an American and have always been a casual enthusiast for American military history. I went to good (by shitty American standards) private schools growing up. I'm 45 years old and have never in my life until now heard one single word about the struggles America had with these Barbary states.
My mind is blown sir, and I salute you for curing me of my ignorance. You have a fantastic channel here that I've just found by accident. Can't wait to dig through all this awesome content.
Ask the US Marines what they think about Barbary pirates. 😅 The Marines even put it to words. This earned a Subscription. Thank you.
35:39 THIS is how you deal with Pirates. You completely destroy their capability of threatening you at the slightest sign of agression. Do that over and over until they lose interest in doing piracy.
You do not occupy their territory for a couple of decades and train their soldiers.
Aka: Charlie don't surf.
Good luck trying to do that while your neighbours wage war on you every couple of years.
The Barbary states survived so long because they were a minor inconvenience compared to the very real threat of other Europeans. Send your army to occupy northern Africa and some neighbour will send his army to you, thus the Barbary states continued on and on.
AKA Carthago Delenda Est
I was unaware landlocked Afghanistan was engaged in piracy on the high seas
Unfortunately now when the pirate ships are taken, as soon as the captured pirates are put aboard a NATO vessel, they then make an asylum claim. I think the RN was ordered not even to arrest pirates to avoid this.
I remember playing Empire Total War as Prussia and I sent a few trade ships near this place. The Barbary Pirates attacked and I stopped all land conflict in Europe just to send an expeditionary force to take North Africa. Then I used the place to launch raids on enemy ships and trade.
Why so rude to Algerians?
Back in the days when barbers were dangerous cut-throats and slavers. I try unsuccessfully to imagine the congenial old guy who ran the corner barbershop in the old neighborhood as one; swinging a scimitar and sporting a 6 inch long mustache. Could be, that if the pandemic goes on much longer, they will be forced to return to their buccaneering ways ;)
That's because it's not a ethnic past-time, but a geographical and economic one.
actually behaviors like these are ethnic. If you live in a ethnic society that puts up with criminality, disrespect of others, greed, and such, well you will get a lot of bad things like piracy, but the ethnic group it springs from does not see it as being bad, to them, immoral as it maybe to us, there ethnic culture says it is acceptable behavior.
if the pandemic goes on shipping will grind to a halt, there wont be any targets for the pirates.
@@dave8599 You're saying this from your eurocentric view. You realise that Europeans, Americans, were doing slavery at a larger, more brutal scale than the Barbary Coast? You realise that America was continuing its genocide of the natives at the same time? You realise the most extreme estimate of slaves taken by the entire Barbary coast over 300 hundred years is 10 percent of that of the atlantic slave trade? If the Barbary coast were barbarians, the western world were demons.
"Don't mess with our trade boats!" -US before fighting the Barbary Wars probably
You mean "We'll pay you tribute and build you warships so you can pirate even more." USA was quite a dumpster of failed politicians in those times.
This was fascinating; I had no idea that Algeria precipitated the creation of the United States Federal Government, and with it, the United States Navy.
Another fun segment. My son is a Marine pilot and carries the Mameluke saber in his dress uniform. The lore is that it was a gift to Presley O’Bannon, the officer in command of the Marines and Arab mercenaries who besieged Derna in Tripoli. Your segments are so informative and well done.
Please Drach, more of this. Love hearing about the various kinds of Pirates Not Near The Caribbean.
Whaaaaat ?!
Turns out accommodating People that only see you as a bottomless treasure-chest
doesn't lead to lasting peace & prosperity, but only more outrageous actions & demands ?
IMAGINE MY SHOCK !
Colonialism in a nutshell.
Not to be confused with the Barber pirates, who forcibly gave people haircuts...
Algerie Pirates: *looks at Royal navy's power, notices how utterly scary they're*
Algerie Pirates: "Understandable, have a nice day"
No, Algerie Pirates: We are the strongest and we don't care about anyone come. You cross the line, u will be demolish
@@akbeh Royal Navy: *Proceeds to utterly murder the Barbary States with maliscious intent*.
@@Duke_of_Petchington facts expect in 16th century they murdered Europeans to 1600s to 1700s
Holy shit! A naval historian with a clear narration and concise information. Thank you
May I fill in some blanks.... The barbary slave trade actually started in 1000 BC with the berbers (North Africans) trading Africans to the Pheonicians who setup trading cities surrounding the mediteranian. Demand for slaves was so high that the local fishing fleets change occupation and began raiding such unlucky targets as Egypt. When the great City of Carthage (Tunis, Tunisia) built on slave trade profits, fell to the Romans in 146 BC. That pretty much put the berbers out of business, due to an increased pressence Roman Galley's. With Byznatine control of North Africa lost to the uslims by AD 750, it was business as usual. With anti Chrisitan practices praised by the new uslim overlords and bagdad markets paying higher prices for white artisans such as navigators, shipwrights and young girls.... European shipping/coastlines proved to be an extreamly lucrative target with an estimated 6,000,000+ taken between AD 750 & AD1836. It should be noted by 1500 the berbery slave fleets and proxy uslim navy was the third largest in Europe. In Cromwell's time, 60 slavers patroled the British shore line out of a base on the Isle of Lundy...
I'm wondering if "Berber" comes from the Greek "Barbarian", meaning "somebody who says bar bar", aka literally anyone who wasn't Greek (Or Roman, once Rome had invaded Greece).
@@dylantowers9367 Yeah I think it is. What is also a fun fact in amazigh the language of the berbers europeans are called Arome wich i know comes from Rome.
@@zekbaker4727 because it's not about slavery at all
You're treading on the delicate feelings of The Religion of Peace.
The alleged history, of taking Slaves from both Europe and Sub Saharan Africa, is
surely just a conspiracy theory.
Muslim, there I said it for you! To Hell with the modern fascists, their cancel culture and their assorted despots in DC and in gewgle.
2021 now they all live in Europe and Britain, can't imagine how that will work out based on history.
Great Civil Religious Revolution-War and especially if Zemmour election occur in 2022
The Barbary sates were always a fascinating area & the time covered in this video is especially interesting.
Thanks Drach.
I'm watching this all over again, the next day. One of the finest pieces of work I've ever seen, anywhere. Thank you Drac for your dedication and production skills.
Pedantic correction time! 14:10 “Set off a massive set of arguments back in Philadelphia,” or maybe New York. Washington wasn’t built yet. :-D
Worth noting that the term 'corsair' comes from 'la corse' - the perpetual warfare between the Muslim and Christian states in the Mediterranean. The galleys of The Knights of Malta, of Genoa and of Naples would sail against Muslim shipping and towns each season - a process that depopulated the Peloponnese coasts. The Barbary States were generally quite scrupulous about observing their treaties - but took care to always have one or more Christian powers on the enemy list.
Time has passed so slowly this week, 5 minutes were feeling like 30. Then a 39 minute long "Five Minute Guide" comes out, and passed in what felt like 5 minutes.
You noticed that too
“And then a minute passed…..”
Instant thumbs up just for the title.
It is always a pleasure to hear your brit-humored yarn on naval topics - Cheers!
I really look forward to these videos each week. Great lunch time watch in the middle of the workweek. Great video!
Fascinating, thank you. This story adds depth to several very well know US Naval vessel names.
Living in Devon and I can tell you that there are still yarrs going around
This is my absolute favorite video genre for this channel. Thank you!!
The book Corsair by Clive Custler is what got me interested in the Barbary pirates...
He does do enough research to make it semi-historical doesn't he?
They did even raid Iceland in 1627!
Iceland was founded by Vikings and the people they enslaved in the 9th century. What goes round.......
The "Yarrs" pun is funny. I can't get to this now, but had to say "well played."
On August 15, 1844, the French frigate Belle Poule bombarded and, according to Wikipedia, captured the Moroccan town of Modagor. I knew about this because it had become sufficiently legendary that my grandfather, born in 1895 in Mogador, told me about it, even though it happened well before his time. It's also a fact that Joshua Slocum, in "Sailing Alone Around the World," reports being chased away from an intended passage through the Straits of Gibraltar by a felucca -- this would have been around 1896. So, "Barbary Pirates" incidents kept happening well into the 19th C.
Thanjs again Drach, I'd been waiting for something like this, and I like the global context. I can just imagine the yelps of frustration as every time it was thought that the threat was over, it came back - and cost more.
It’s a fun forgotten part of US history and commercial history in general great video
Absolutely sterling! Brilliant summary. The only thing missing was the economic pressure that pushed American contacts away from Europe, and shipping towards the pacific, and whaling.
Thank you.
What the British _actually_ wrote to the Americans:
"We are disinclined to acquiesce to your request"
What an awesome video this was. Always enjoy your videos but this was great.
This is a great synopsis of why the Barbary states were so important. I hadn't realised just how much funding they had received in treaty and supply. The old powers really were using them as a proxy in a way to interfere with each other. I would love to see a movie about the Intrepid, from the capture of Philadelphia to the mission to torch it in harbour. Sad ending to a fantastic story though.
Pretty sure they even raided as far as here in Iceland. At least they are the most likely actual culprits behind a "Turkish" raid in 1627.
Karma for vikings lmao
Facts
Excellent video, very informative.
The famous Marines' Hymn is set to the music of the Gendarmes' Duet from Geneviève de Brabant (1859).
I knew almost none of this. Fascinating stuff - thanks Uncle Drach!
Indeed, there are a lot of people who seem to think the only slave trade was the 'Triangle Trade' between West Africa and the Americas. There's also one odd consequence of the Barbary Pirate era not covered. Testemonials were often used to raise money to free female slaves taken to North Africa, over time these testimonials became part of the stock of tales used by contemporary romance novelists. Every time you see a Mills & Boon type novel where the romantic male lead is a sheik, that's where it came from.
Now Drach. There was entirely too much glee evident in your retelling of the woes of the nascent US. I laughed crazy hard, but tsk tsk. - A Filthy Colonial who loves your work
It's mostly because the US government in this period is so absolutely dysfunctional you have to laugh or cry. Say what you will about Congress these days but at least the pro-war people generally also vote for military budgets and vice-versa. It takes a special kind of stupid to advocate for both war AND not having a navy like Jefferson did. :D
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In watching this, the more I learn and research about Thomas Jefferson, the more I become convinced that he was less a brilliant Statesman and more just a particularly gifted orator that was in the right place to write a particularly moving and important document at the right time, and the less I feel that the U.S. should revere him...to say nothing of the *other* things we've learned about the man in the last 30 odd years...
@@andrewgause6971 I must admit that writing that all men are born equal while keeping slaves has led me to the same conclusion
Did the Americans really ask for British naval support?
That is the dumbest thing I ever did hear.
@@stevenmajor9513 If I had been President I would have immediately allied myself with the revolutionary French government and started building ships, lots and lots of super frigates and ships of the line. Trafalgar wouldn't have happened. Vive la République ! Do you want a guillotine in Piccadilly that says "Made in the USA!"
Thanks for that fascinating piece Drach - it's a period of history I was totally unaware of.
Excellent mini documentary.
Thank you
The Berbers derive their names from the Greek/Roman bar bar, which is how they made fun of foreign languages and gives us the word Barbarian.
Ironically you could consider the west calling them Barbary is more true to their name than berber.
I suspected that was where the word Berber was derived from.
IIRC, "bar bar" was originally Greek for "literally anyone who wasn't born Greek". It later expanded to "literally anyone who isn't Greek or Roman" only after Rome conquered Greece. The RUclipsr Metatron covers a lot of Roman stuff and has a video on the subject. ruclips.net/video/iFddizRJRE0/видео.html
Derka derka
It means bearded and was originally used to describe the Germanic tribes. The Berbers were originally Germanic and later became a mixed Islamic race. The Moors, vandals, and Normans were also originally Germanic tribes that invaded north Africa..
@abdennour O Numidians were the mixed race Berbers.They were originally Germanic or Scythian dependig on how far you want to go back..
Wrong, barbare from berbère
One side story from those wars and blockades was that American cotton had to be exported via the Italian port of Genova. From there ist was sent to the French city of Nimes for further processing and then sold to the British: as wallpaper. When one intelligent Brit had the idea to produce trousers instead of wallpapers, the English pronounciation of the French name of the Italian port of Genova: "Genes", became "Jeans" and the box label "de Nimes" (from Nimes) became: Denim.
I really enjoy these videos. Thanks for making them and have a good one man
Excellent video! Very educational!
Interesting content, not many, have covered the Barbary states and their impact on Mediterranean and naval development at this extend. Well, excluding the good old EMT of course.
"We ought not fight them at all, unless we determine to fight them forever" Adams to Jefferson 1786
Absolutely fascination and brilliantly done. Thx!
I enjoy the gentle ribbing of your American frens.
White slavery is not talked about much, but it's a historical fact.
But its not topical?
Many times the slavers were also white. Im thinking of times stretching back to the greek city states to the byzantium empire at least.
@@TheFirebird123456 ~ It's much more recent than that, the north African Moore's raided European coasts and captured white slaves from villages in the 1600's and 1700's
@@TheFirebird123456 the white slaves of the Barbary Coast far outnumbered the African slave trade in both numbers of slaves and duration of the practice. Just consider the dates.
@Marten Trudeau - That’s because it doesn’t fit the bedwetters’ narrative.
I think you missed two critical things in this video Drach, the first was to mention that Spain, Portugal, Knights of Malta ect cheerfully plundered and pirated the Barbary coast, after all the Spanish galleys needed motive power too. The second was that the loss of a lot of the larger Barbary states vessels in the Allied intervention into the Greek war of independence was critical into weakening them enough for a easy French invasion.
He doesn't have a clue - thinks "Berber" was an indigenous word (!), and clearly has a certain shall we say 'euro-centric' (a bit racist possibly?) bias.
Revenge is brutal. However, the Europeans did not depopulate entire coastal areas. By the 1840s the Barbary pirates were doomed, technology and the world had overtaken them, soon steam power, shells and steel armour would have obliterated them.
@@inesalguien3454 I actually did not know Berber was not an indigenous word either to be fair (Wikipedia says it actually roots from the Greek word for barbarian). As to the bias, you have to remember that Drach is basing his information off English language naval texts as well as the few Spanish and Italian sources which have been translated which understandably do not exactly portray the Maghreb in the best light. Genuine question, but are there any books on Moroccan or Algerian naval history in English? Which actually use Arab and Berber sources?
@@benlewis4241 Thanks for your honest and open-minded message. You see, I have no problem at all with anybody not knowing the origin of the English (anglicised Greek) word ‘Berber’. Nobody can know everything and everybody doesn't know about some things. That's fine. What I do have a major problem with, on the other hand, is when somebody claims to know the history and spreads clearly racially biased (sorry but that’s just a fact) nonsense as “history” and MAKES MONEY with that and builds himself a large platform - resulting in influencing many people who are not familiar with that history and are highly unlikely to do the research themselves. It makes his proclaimed “opinions” on history not just opinions of some guy in the pub having a chat or whatever.
I have no idea what Moroccan or Algerian naval history books in English exist, if any. (Also, they all wouldn’t be written in Moroccan or Algerian Arabic but in Fusha - artificial “Arabic” which is very different and which ordinary people don’t speak in their daily lives, meaning only elites having real access, including Orientalists/racists in Europe and North America etc. Add to that possibly falsifications in English translations - as happens constantly.) But if you make claims about history (not you - him and people like him) than you don’t just have a quick look at *naval history* books (in whatever language) but research as widely as possible and from as many different sources as possible. Anybody who has studied history and understands anything about history knows that. Some RUclipsr making claims presenting it as “truth” or “facts” and “history”, should also know this.
As to “naval history books” per se …almost all “naval history” or any other form of “war history” books are by their very nature right-wing distortions of truth and fact, mostly written by the “victors” (currently authors in the so-called “West”). Because it tends to be myopic, biased right-wingers - defenders of the vicious, perverted system of exploitation and wars - who tend to fixate on nationalist nonsense about who won which war and when etc. - instead of a more rounded and genuine history of ordinary peoples in whatever region.
The true history of North Africa is one of being a victim of colonialist occupation, aggressions and exploitation. For many centuries, even millennia. But also a history of proud, brave peoples defending themselves and struggling for their independence and a better life through the ages.
The history of those pirates is far more complex than all those racist wannabe (fake) historians want everyone to believe. And btw many of those “Berber pirates” were actually EUROPEANS - including English ones, such as for example the famous Captain Jack Ward.
Anyways, nice ‘talking’ to you. Take care. :-)
Portugal and Malta only started doing that after the Barbary states started enslaving Europeans.
Another outstanding video! Thank you very much!
Excellently done!
Wonderful installment, Uncle Drack, particularly for someone who grew up in Virginia, where just about every city has its Bainbridge St, Decatur St, etc. Your version is MUCH more detailed and fascinating than anything we did in school. BUT: Decatur's name is pronounced "de-KAY-tur" -- or possibly "duh-KAY-duh", making allowances for the "Suthun" accent.
A thumbs up for the title alone.
Agreed. I lol-ed to the title.
If not for RUclips, a treasure like Drachinifel would be lost to time.
Thank you for another great presentation.
To steal a line from the History Guy: "Doesn't every good story involve pirates."
@Andreas Glad How you know you're on the naval channel; a zero tolerance policy for Piracy.
Some things never change.
This was utterly fascinating -- the best yet on this topic. I love all the paintings you put into the project. It brings back a memory from over 30 years ago when I was hired by a film maker--he had landed a film project for the US Navy, but he needed someone to do the research to get paintings and drawings of the correct vessels and vessel types ("hey, what the heck is a sloop?") to each segment (including some of the battles here). It was great fun--traveled to the US Naval Academy library, (good stuff there) the National Archives (extraordinary) and even places such as the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. I wonder what ever happened to it--I think the film was shown at some naval facilities somewhere. But your work absolutely trumps mine from that time!
Great episode!!
You had me at Yarr!
This history tidbit reminds me of the movie, "The Wind and The Lion" Great scene where the U.S. Marines and Sailors land and express the displeasure of President T. Roosevelt.
Great film. But not much of priâtes more of the Barbary warriors on the land.
Thanks for covering this.
Very interresting part of history Drachinfel !!!! Thx !!!!!
The Enterprise and the Essex fighting Barbary pirates. Imagine the look on the pirates faces when the diver bomber were coming in.
I'd guess: very brief surprised piccachu face...
Phaser and photon torpedo bombardment from orbit was even more of a shock.
I'd have loved to have seen Ark Royal get stuck in. Swordfish were capable of dive-bombing...
Barbary Pirates, final Yarrs - quite clever 😁
We sense a prequel in the offing
A question answered that that been on my mind for many years. Well done
Be warned, my notifications had been turned from, "All," to, "Personalized." I didn't get this video in my feed. You may wish to check your settings. Gotta get ma fix of Drach!
My family were mercenary Christian corsairs who made raids on the Barbary coast for a long time. They were viscous
I live in Tangier. Today I passed by the brass cannon barrels that sit in a small park, aiming at the bay. I found the date on one to be 1609 and I could read, naval Flanders. Another was marked 1780 Royal Espana. Previously I assumed these had been purchased, now I know better!
The Berbery Pirates’ demise ultimately stems from their lack of technology, in particular, foundries. This is implicit in your video although not mentioned. At the onset of the American Civil War, Mississippi was the wealthiest state in the union. Lots of money, cotton and slaves, no foundry. In fact, the South had only one foundry, in Richmond. The Berbers had lots of money and slaves, and of course, no foundry.
I must add that in my suburban New York City high school history class in the 1960’s, we were taught that Morocco was the first country to recognize the U.S. and of the treaty’s success. Perhaps a few more paragraphs. And to think you barely scratch the details!
Finally, I lived in the heart of the Rif for two years. (Always pronounced reef and never riff, btw. You were pleasantly cautious on that.) I still puzzle over the general peacefulness. After millennia of warfare and piracy, where did the warriors go? Nowhere, I would say, supremacy lying dormant.
Wow American living here in Morocco that's so amazing
@@HTProducer Unfortunately the end has come after 4 years. I cannot meet the requirements for a Resident card and have booked a flight to JFK on October 4. I am curious, where do you live?
@@warren2052 How don't you could meet the requirements for Residency ? I thought it was easy for Western citizen to come and stay here. I live in Rabat in the old downtown I hope you enjoyed these 4 years
@@HTProducer I must have my retirement funds (US Social Security) deposited into a Moroccan account, and then wait three months for the records. A bit of a Catch-22, I must stay here illegally for 3 months waiting for the bank records to accrue. My financial advisor back home and a CPA - Certified Public Accountant, my best friend, advises against it. Maroc has limitations on Dh to $ reconversions, and I must not get caught up on that. Four years in Maroc and I too no better.
Meanwhile, I appreciate your skill in writing English. I cannot do the same for Arabic, French, Spanish nor Berber…
Barbary Pirates: Please give us chwia (few) tiknoulougia
Another great one Drach!