physical electric's just have it rough, you got supercell slam which does crash damage if the move fails to connect and is a clone of jump kick (via missing, the target is a ground-type or used protect), wild charge which is 90 power with 1/4 recoil (thus a clone of take down) or thunder punch which is 75 hell back in gen 4 it was even worse for Luxray as it's ONLY physical electric move...was the 65 power Spark
Ice-types being immune to Sheer Cold may be a balancing mechanic; if they weren't, Sheer Cold would be the only OHKO move that was able to hit everything.
@@castform7 Articuno is the only Pokémon that can learn mind reader and sheer cold, so Articuno is able to hit every Pokémon with a 100% chance is a bit too op so the fact that ice types are immune to it is fair
@@j.lg.7973well articuno isn’t even a good Pokémon, flying ice type isn’t particularly good defensively. It gets blasted by rock type attacks. And it isn’t the fastest with base 85 speed
I think the cause is that GameFreak usually assigns moves to Pokemon based on their anatomy and lore instead of viability. Some Pokemon just aren't built to do certain moves, so they have their own versions.
It's funny when it doesn't work that way. Sometimes Pokemon inherit moves they can't use anatomically. Looking at you Primeape with Iron Tail. It's a goldmine for memes.
There’s tech involved in deliberately choosing the less obvious copy of a move to dodge Imprison locking the move. For example choosing Detect over Protect.
Despite the 3 moves being the same now, Tackle used to be worse. It had 35 base power and for some reason 95 accuracy. It was then had 50 BP and 100 accuracy for gens 5 & 6, but when down to 40 BP after that.
I was like "this man has not played gen 1", I got so triggered by him ignoring the pain of my elementary school self having Bulbasaur miss so many tackles
@@justalurker3489 well yes, but the chance was 1 in 256 instead of 1 in 20. missing a 100 accuracy move was roughly 13 times less common than missing a 95 accuracy move, and getting multiple of those misses in a row would require extremely bad luck or deliberate rng manipulation.
My favourite of these is Barrage. It's exactly the same move as Fury Attack- same damage, accuracy, PP, type, everything. The only difference was it being exclusive to the Exeggcute line
Why not use physical electric attacks? We have: -Signature Move (Volt Tackle) -Signature Move (Aura Wheel) -Recoil (Wild Charge) -Crash Recoil (Supercell Slam) -Weak (Spark) -Weak unless boosted by a specific ability (Thunder Fang) -Can flinch but is on two of the slowest electric types in the game (Zing Zap)
You forgot: Signature move (Bolt Beak) Signature move (Plasma Fists) Signature move (Fusion Bolt) Signature move on the SAME FREAKING MON (Bolt Strike) Signature move AND can only be used once (Double Shock) Need to Tera Electric (Tera Blast) Weak but para (Nuzzle)
@ I just looked the move up and its just jump kick, but electric type. But to be honest in a regular playthrough it doesnt seem that bad? Like 95% is fine
@@julienbronsch5039they should probably have made it a High Jump kick variant rather than just a Jump kick variant. Jump kick is basically irrelevant now
@@julienbronsch5039supercell slam isn't all that relevant outside of competitive, you could work with less powerful moves during a playthrough, the thing is physical electric types have needed the help for a long time just to get a move that can just outright screw them over, especially since supercell slam (as well as jump kick and high jump kick) both count as missing when a mon is protected or immune, but the electrics that want to use supercell slam don't have a close combat as an alternative, making it the only option
@@julienbronsch5039 Its not a bad move by any means just can be in some cases more inconsistent then Wild Charge cause if it hits a ground type you lose 50% of your hp and Abilities Like Lightning Rod and Motor drive can also cause you to lose hp.
and even then since they for whatever reason changed aura sphere from 90 power to 80 sone things still run focus blast any way cause they need that damage
I never thought I'd use one, but that cetoddle kept looking at me So, hard cut to Cetitan blizzard->Tera Ice Ice Spin sweep Martha my beloved anhilation machine-
@J.Blazer I think they mostly just need more resistances and things that their moves are super effective to. I think that they don't need to be weak to rock AND steel! And make them strong against water or something!
@@mastermarkus5307 They don't really need offensive coverage, no--especially not with the move Freeze-Dry being given out like candy. It's really just an issue with their only defensive coverage being... themselves. Would be nice if, for example, they resisted grass or ground.
Don't forget zekrom has fusion bolt and bolt strike (black kyurem too). Also pawmot has double shock. Also I think zing zap was given to pincurchin in gen 8. Edit: black kyurem doesn't get bolt strike and victini also gets fusion bolt.
@Edotty2Hotty well fusion bolt was an event only move, so technically victini doesn't learn it and yes pincurchin got zing sap in gen 8, but currently only togedemaru and pincurchin get the move when it would be nice to have it on something like Zebstrika but this this is the sad truth that the best physical electric moves...are all signature moves: fusion bolt, bolt strike, bolt beak, zing zap (as of gen 9 it technically is a signature move), aura wheel, plasma fists, volt tackle and double shock
would be nice if it was handed to other physical electrics like Zebstrika, cause let's be real: physical electrics have just been doomed to fail unless they get a good signature move
I would love like a dark or maybe ice type copy of false swipe. Because it would make shiny hunting a bit easier. Dark because more pokemon would most likely have access to it, or ice to deal some damage to every pokemon
Actually, before Gen 5, Tackle had the slight difference of being somewhat less accurate at 95%. I know this cause I missed it with my Cyndaquil in Heart Gold 3 times in a row with no accuracy debuffs. So it, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Chikorita and Turtwig all and the slight disadvantage early on of Lady Luck occasionally punching them in the face.
And the rest of good physical electric moves are locked too.Plasma Fist?Zeraora.Fusion Bolt?Zekrom,Kyurem-B and Victini.Bolt Strike?Zekrom and Victini again.Bolt Beak?Dracozolt. I fear i might have to brush my teeth because i remembered the galar fossils.
Still have no idea about the logic behind making Sheer Cold less accurate if the user isn't an ice type, considering there's a grand total of... 3 non-ice types who can learn it (Smeargle, Suicine and Kyogre).
There used to be a big difference between Scratch, Tackle, and Pound: Before Gen 5, Tackle and Pound were 95% accurate, while Scratch was 100% accurate
"There's no strong physical electric moves except for that rat". Correction: No strong physical electric moves except for the rat, legendaries, and the new move that's about as usual as Jump Kick (because it's electric type Jump Kick)
RIP moves like synchronoise, sure it was gimmicky but it was unique, so many move sets now feel like strong stab/move with secondary effects/coverage or other stab/ stat (de)buff. There isn't really any zesty moves, unless it's ridiculous signature moves (sneasler/ houndstone). And many old moves have poor or no availability; Power-up punch no longer existing hurts many physical attackers with poor setup or Simple beam doesn't exist in scar/vio unless you mirror herb it from latios(a scarlet dlc exclusive without online) onto a psyduck first.
That last part is correct. Anyone who claims Supercell Slam counts as a good physical Electric move has likely forgotten about the prevelabce of Protect in Double battles, not to mention if it fails due to lacking a target, you still lose HP to my greater knowledge. I don't know about you. But I'll take Thunder Punch's consistently far faster than I'd take the high risk, medium reward that is Supercell Slam.
Supercell Slam is a clone of Jump Kick, so if the move fails to land just like it, the user loses 1/2 their HP from crash damage but tbh physical electric's are just always screwed: thunder punch isn't strong enough, wild charge is 90 power with recoil and supercell slam is 100 power but has crash damage if it fails
@bulborb8756 Yeah, and I'm saying that Thunder Punch may only be 75BP, but at least it's consistent in terms of accuracy and lack of drawbac. I'd take it any day over Supercell Slam, which gives high risk for an okay but not stellar reward.
I still find it ridiculous theres only 1 physical fairy move in the game that isnt a signature move. Its been 4 generations how is this still not fixed
Oh don't worry! They upped Spirit Break's distribution! It's now learnable by Grimmsnarl AND Iron Valiant. THE BARE MINIMUM TO NOT BE A SIGNATURE MOVE!
Ah yes, the the same type Pokemon moves except for the one we need False swipe for that can hit ghost types. While on the topic of false swipe I always thought a funny mechanic they could've done is that when it crits there's a not 0% chance that the move just acts like a normal move
Okay as a shiny hunter I wouldn't mind other versions of false swipe for other pokemon types.... Trying to get a shiny hunting partner only to see they don't learn false swipe is so sad
Detect has some niches. Some players use Imprison to prevent the opponent from using Protect, a very common move in competitive. Because of this, some players run Detect so they can have a means of protection
Also Super Fang, Nature's Madness, and Ruination are all identical in everything except typing... Which only really matters for Super Fang cuz they all just do 50% of the target's current health
Game Freak for some reason *REALLY* hates physical electric types. EVERY electric type (unless it's a Pikachu clone then it gets special treatement) is stuck with the FAR inferior Wild Charge with 90 base power AND has recoil... We DO get Supercell Slam with the Indigo Disk DLC... But it's only 10 more power with an EVEN bigger drawback of losing 50% HP for missing or hitting a Ground type or a mon using Protect.
One benefit for mons that have Detect is avoiding Imprison+Protect, since Protect is a ubiquitous move in doubles and shutting your opponent’s Protect down through Imprison can be huge
Obviously these "repeated" moves exist because of flavor reasosns. In the case of "False Swipe", its original (japanese) name alludes to striking with the back of a sword, and if you look at the pokémon who learn it, you'll see they all have the ability to make blade-like attacks (Scyther, Kartana...)
Literally your best chance for a physical electric type is now Supercell slam, a TM move that you need to pay to have access to. And also has a 10% chance to do half your health and not hit the opponent, lovely.
Honestly agreed. False Swipe and Hold Back kinda feel like unique moves False Swipe being for more Edged Pokémon and Holdback for mons that prefer to pummel their foes.
@@austingordon3709 Yep, and ALL those drawbacks for a move with *100 base power...* And High Jump Kick, the move it's based on has 130 base power. Game Freak for some reason REALLY hates physical electric types.
There is actually a niche to detect. Imprison stops pokemon from protecting if they also have protect, and detect would bypass this (imprison can be a common way to stop opposing trick roomers). Also it has less pp, so your Pokémon will struggle sooner for more damage
O_O Interesting thing is...I think the homebrew I am making for 5e actually added differences between the samey moves! (Note: DP means damage done by the die used for the Pokémon's physical damage die, which can be different depending on the Pokémon. For example, Darmanitan would use a D12 while Alakazam would use a D4.) Scratch: Costs 2PP, Does 2DP slashing damage. Pound: Costs 2PP, does 2DP bludgeoning damage. Tackle: Costs 2PP, does 2DP bludgeoning damage and can have bonuses from charge attacks added.
If they wanted to make a False Swipe clone, they could've at least made it a type Ghost isn't immune to to give it a niche They could even make it Electric, Ground, Psychic or Ghost type so there'd be a reason to use each
@@BloodThirstyAvengers Volt Tackle is on 3 mons technically. And none of them is a legendary. I also never said that its an exclusive move, just that its more limited. There are a few exclusive moves besides Scetch though. Chatter, Hyperspace Void, Tera Starstorm and a few more as of gen 9+DLC
When I was a kid, I misinterpreted False Swipe as being a move that would ALWAYS leave the enemy Pokemon with exactly 1 HP, no matter how full their HP bar was. Was very disappointed when I tried that out and found it not to be the case.
"Damn I wonder who is the favorite- Oh wait nevermind" Bro was about to make another "Zacian is broken" joke until he saw how is is it going and how Zamazenta is going lately lmao
yeah gen 9 nerfed Zacian into oblivion, where as her brother Zamazenta got the one move he was sorely lacking back in gen 8 and is effectively "intimidate proof"
Wait I never actually thought about false swipe being good for catching pokemon! That would have helped my attempts at catching Leafeon without killing them.
For whatever reason Game Freak is so reluctant on adding in good physical electric moves without some catch to it. Either the move has low power, low accuracy or its exclusive to certain mons
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As a Luxray fan, that bit about bad physical electric moves was a critical hit to my soul.
At this point i think luxray needs a little bit more than that
Me too love electivoir
There’s wild charge but it learns it at like level 80 something 💀
@BenjiAndStuff90 base power AND does recoil damage though vs Flare Blitz which is 120
physical electric's just have it rough, you got supercell slam which does crash damage if the move fails to connect and is a clone of jump kick (via missing, the target is a ground-type or used protect), wild charge which is 90 power with 1/4 recoil (thus a clone of take down) or thunder punch which is 75
hell back in gen 4 it was even worse for Luxray as it's ONLY physical electric move...was the 65 power Spark
Ice-types being immune to Sheer Cold may be a balancing mechanic; if they weren't, Sheer Cold would be the only OHKO move that was able to hit everything.
But it's Sheer Cold. It's still terribly inaccurate. It's not like you take away the Ice immunity and suddenly it's mowing Pokemon down like grass.
It makes sense that ice types are immune since well, they are ice type.
Ice types do love the sheer cold, makes sense theyre immune
@@castform7 Articuno is the only Pokémon that can learn mind reader and sheer cold, so Articuno is able to hit every Pokémon with a 100% chance is a bit too op so the fact that ice types are immune to it is fair
@@j.lg.7973well articuno isn’t even a good Pokémon, flying ice type isn’t particularly good defensively. It gets blasted by rock type attacks. And it isn’t the fastest with base 85 speed
I think the cause is that GameFreak usually assigns moves to Pokemon based on their anatomy and lore instead of viability. Some Pokemon just aren't built to do certain moves, so they have their own versions.
It's funny when it doesn't work that way. Sometimes Pokemon inherit moves they can't use anatomically.
Looking at you Primeape with Iron Tail.
It's a goldmine for memes.
Gastly with all the elemental punches
@@Edanite Primeape with Iron Tail is really funny since it was the one pokemon that taught Pikachu how to use that move in the first Pokepark game
@@doctorecho3007 I'll be honest, I used to think Gastly could shape the gas around it to create hands to punch with.
@@theotherky
I like to imagine Ghastly makes a fist with it's tongue and just party blower the punch.
There’s tech involved in deliberately choosing the less obvious copy of a move to dodge Imprison locking the move. For example choosing Detect over Protect.
Yeah that's cool and all but who is using imprison?
@@avonzappera whole lot of people in doubles, it's one of the most reliable ways of stopping turn 1 trick room.
@@avonzapper lots of competitive players use Imprison to shut down things like trick room.
Imprison is also good in shiny hunting 💥& meme using wild pokémon like koffings.
Despite the 3 moves being the same now, Tackle used to be worse. It had 35 base power and for some reason 95 accuracy. It was then had 50 BP and 100 accuracy for gens 5 & 6, but when down to 40 BP after that.
I was like "this man has not played gen 1", I got so triggered by him ignoring the pain of my elementary school self having Bulbasaur miss so many tackles
@Dolasiar Well you could miss 100 accuracy moves in Gen 1
Thank you for saying this. Buddy forgets move changes between gens quite a bit lol
@@justalurker3489it still is possible if a pokemon uses a move like dig or fly. U can even dodge always hit moves like aerial ace.
@@justalurker3489 well yes, but the chance was 1 in 256 instead of 1 in 20. missing a 100 accuracy move was roughly 13 times less common than missing a 95 accuracy move, and getting multiple of those misses in a row would require extremely bad luck or deliberate rng manipulation.
My favourite of these is Barrage. It's exactly the same move as Fury Attack- same damage, accuracy, PP, type, everything. The only difference was it being exclusive to the Exeggcute line
Detect does have a practical use over protect, and it comes down to it being less common. It's a safeguard against imprison in doubles
True. Very true.
Why not use physical electric attacks? We have:
-Signature Move (Volt Tackle)
-Signature Move (Aura Wheel)
-Recoil (Wild Charge)
-Crash Recoil (Supercell Slam)
-Weak (Spark)
-Weak unless boosted by a specific ability (Thunder Fang)
-Can flinch but is on two of the slowest electric types in the game (Zing Zap)
you forgot thunder punch!
You forgot:
Signature move (Bolt Beak)
Signature move (Plasma Fists)
Signature move (Fusion Bolt)
Signature move on the SAME FREAKING MON (Bolt Strike)
Signature move AND can only be used once (Double Shock)
Need to Tera Electric (Tera Blast)
Weak but para (Nuzzle)
Can’t believe I forgot all those, nice catches
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You can spam Double Shock.
@@AWrySmileOnly with Tera/switching out after every use
Supercell Slam has no reason to be so low accuracy and deal miss damage if it's not that strong anyway
They should just make supercell slam electric type close combat. Or just make Volt Tackle widely distributed.
@ I just looked the move up and its just jump kick, but electric type.
But to be honest in a regular playthrough it doesnt seem that bad? Like 95% is fine
@@julienbronsch5039they should probably have made it a High Jump kick variant rather than just a Jump kick variant. Jump kick is basically irrelevant now
@@julienbronsch5039supercell slam isn't all that relevant outside of competitive, you could work with less powerful moves during a playthrough, the thing is physical electric types have needed the help for a long time just to get a move that can just outright screw them over, especially since supercell slam (as well as jump kick and high jump kick) both count as missing when a mon is protected or immune, but the electrics that want to use supercell slam don't have a close combat as an alternative, making it the only option
@@julienbronsch5039 Its not a bad move by any means just can be in some cases more inconsistent then Wild Charge cause if it hits a ground type you lose 50% of your hp and Abilities Like Lightning Rod and Motor drive can also cause you to lose hp.
Justice for Dynamax Leafeon!
Also, Acid Armor, Iron Defense and Barrier do the same thing, give +2 defense.
@ you can add shelter to the list of moves that give +2 def.
It got changed in gen 9 and is now just acid armor, but with less PP
Minimize and double team are basically the same, the only difference was that stomp did more damage on a minimized pokemon.
@@ultraomenmurat9937 Minimize also increases evasion by two stages, whereas double team only increases it by one.
Shelter should lower speed. Maybe have some other effect too and magcargo should also learn it.
You forgot to mention accessible special fighting type moves since many special attackers don’t get Aura Sphere and have to force running Focus Miss.
and even then since they for whatever reason changed aura sphere from 90 power to 80 sone things still run focus blast any way cause they need that damage
Gothorita & gothitelle and florges should learn aura sphere. Any florges defend its garden so determined way.
Give props to game freak for trying to make ice types work in the most recent gen
I never thought I'd use one, but that cetoddle kept looking at me
So, hard cut to Cetitan blizzard->Tera Ice Ice Spin sweep
Martha my beloved anhilation machine-
How to make ice-types good: let them not be ice-type
@J.Blazer I think they mostly just need more resistances and things that their moves are super effective to. I think that they don't need to be weak to rock AND steel! And make them strong against water or something!
@@mastermarkus5307 They don't really need offensive coverage, no--especially not with the move Freeze-Dry being given out like candy. It's really just an issue with their only defensive coverage being... themselves. Would be nice if, for example, they resisted grass or ground.
It worked at least. Alolan Ninetails and Articuno both won Regional Tournaments in VGC
Zekrom has the real monopoly on strong physical electric moves.
And it still isn't enough for it.
Ironic how both really strong physical electric moves are just given to pikachu and morpeko💀💀💀
at least Aura Wheel has a reason to be exclusive to morpeko, but moves like zing zap and volt tackle...yeah those need more distribution
Don't forget zekrom has fusion bolt and bolt strike (black kyurem too). Also pawmot has double shock. Also I think zing zap was given to pincurchin in gen 8.
Edit: black kyurem doesn't get bolt strike and victini also gets fusion bolt.
@Edotty2Hotty well fusion bolt was an event only move, so technically victini doesn't learn it
and yes pincurchin got zing sap in gen 8, but currently only togedemaru and pincurchin get the move when it would be nice to have it on something like Zebstrika
but this this is the sad truth that the best physical electric moves...are all signature moves: fusion bolt, bolt strike, bolt beak, zing zap (as of gen 9 it technically is a signature move), aura wheel, plasma fists, volt tackle and double shock
@@bulborb8756 I agree, since luxray and electivire are two of my favorite gen 4 pokemon and electivire is one of my overall favorites.
Bolt beak for jilowattrel next Gen for using that great physical attack stat
Why Zing Zap can still only be learned by Togedamaru and Pincurchin is beyond me.
would be nice if it was handed to other physical electrics like Zebstrika, cause let's be real: physical electrics have just been doomed to fail unless they get a good signature move
The move is exclusive to those two because the move's Japanese name reflects the prickly bodies of those Pokémon.
@@wikiuser92It means spiked right? Does ferroseed get the move? Because thunderbolt for ferrothorn isn't doin that much with the sp attack stat.
I would love like a dark or maybe ice type copy of false swipe. Because it would make shiny hunting a bit easier. Dark because more pokemon would most likely have access to it, or ice to deal some damage to every pokemon
Dark sounds good to also hit ghost types without needing foresight and also ground would be good too for rock and steel which resist normal.
@@gatorssbmI say fight type False Swipe for Rock and Steel types.
Dark can already hit every pokemon.
@Edotty2Hotty But Normal can't hit Ghost.
@@Nosretep I didn't say anything about that, I said that dark type moves hit every pokemon. Dark moves are supereffective to ghost.
Rip zacian, it had the biggest fallout in vgc history
I mean they basically bashed the doggo with a baseball bat with NERF written on it
always knew his brother was more goated than him 🗣🗣🗣
@ARandomEliatrope Shield supremacy indeed
@ARandomEliatrope Wait Zamazenta is better now?
@jetevois1290 Yeah it got body press. That's all that it took to make it a lot better than zacian honestly
Actually, before Gen 5, Tackle had the slight difference of being somewhat less accurate at 95%. I know this cause I missed it with my Cyndaquil in Heart Gold 3 times in a row with no accuracy debuffs. So it, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Chikorita and Turtwig all and the slight disadvantage early on of Lady Luck occasionally punching them in the face.
And the rest of good physical electric moves are locked too.Plasma Fist?Zeraora.Fusion Bolt?Zekrom,Kyurem-B and Victini.Bolt Strike?Zekrom and Victini again.Bolt Beak?Dracozolt.
I fear i might have to brush my teeth because i remembered the galar fossils.
Both zolts learn it but maybe they developers will give it to kilowattrel too. But it really would need physical move, right?
There's also Zing Zap on that other god damn Electric Rat and Sea Urchin
Don’t forget Aura Wheel on (checks notes) yet another electric rat
@Crimser3 forgot it was physical lol
Still have no idea about the logic behind making Sheer Cold less accurate if the user isn't an ice type, considering there's a grand total of... 3 non-ice types who can learn it (Smeargle, Suicine and Kyogre).
It also decreases it by a negligible amount; becoming 20 accuracy instead of 30.
It's a balancing issue.
There used to be a big difference between Scratch, Tackle, and Pound: Before Gen 5, Tackle and Pound were 95% accurate, while Scratch was 100% accurate
"There's no strong physical electric moves except for that rat". Correction: No strong physical electric moves except for the rat, legendaries, and the new move that's about as usual as Jump Kick (because it's electric type Jump Kick)
RIP moves like synchronoise, sure it was gimmicky but it was unique, so many move sets now feel like strong stab/move with secondary effects/coverage or other stab/ stat (de)buff.
There isn't really any zesty moves, unless it's ridiculous signature moves (sneasler/ houndstone).
And many old moves have poor or no availability; Power-up punch no longer existing hurts many physical attackers with poor setup or Simple beam doesn't exist in scar/vio unless you mirror herb it from latios(a scarlet dlc exclusive without online) onto a psyduck first.
That last part is correct. Anyone who claims Supercell Slam counts as a good physical Electric move has likely forgotten about the prevelabce of Protect in Double battles, not to mention if it fails due to lacking a target, you still lose HP to my greater knowledge. I don't know about you. But I'll take Thunder Punch's consistently far faster than I'd take the high risk, medium reward that is Supercell Slam.
Supercell Slam is a clone of Jump Kick, so if the move fails to land just like it, the user loses 1/2 their HP from crash damage
but tbh physical electric's are just always screwed: thunder punch isn't strong enough, wild charge is 90 power with recoil and supercell slam is 100 power but has crash damage if it fails
@bulborb8756 Yeah, and I'm saying that Thunder Punch may only be 75BP, but at least it's consistent in terms of accuracy and lack of drawbac. I'd take it any day over Supercell Slam, which gives high risk for an okay but not stellar reward.
I still find it ridiculous theres only 1 physical fairy move in the game that isnt a signature move. Its been 4 generations how is this still not fixed
Oh don't worry! They upped Spirit Break's distribution! It's now learnable by Grimmsnarl AND Iron Valiant. THE BARE MINIMUM TO NOT BE A SIGNATURE MOVE!
They should just add a fairy type wood hammer like move and make Tapu Bulu and Koko and tinkatuff and ton learn it.
“Except for that fucking rat” had me WHEEZING
Ah yes, the the same type Pokemon moves except for the one we need
False swipe for that can hit ghost types. While on the topic of false swipe I always thought a funny mechanic they could've done is that when it crits there's a not 0% chance that the move just acts like a normal move
Okay satan.
Detect being technically not Protect is useful against Imprison strategies
I do think they need to make another version of false swipe Just so it's a typing that will work on ghost Pokémon without Scrappy
I’m a bit miffed that they never made a carbon copy False Swipe of a different type. Since, you know, Ghost types.
*Supercell Slam has joined the chat*
I mean there’s Supercell Slam but that 5% chance of taking half damage in recoil if you miss is kind of uncalled for 😭
Plus you also take damage if ur oppponent switches into a ground type or uses protect
No but the way that Zamazenta and Zacian switched viabilities
Okay as a shiny hunter I wouldn't mind other versions of false swipe for other pokemon types....
Trying to get a shiny hunting partner only to see they don't learn false swipe is so sad
Detect has some niches. Some players use Imprison to prevent the opponent from using Protect, a very common move in competitive. Because of this, some players run Detect so they can have a means of protection
I'll always remember the famous Rhydon moves Tail Whip and Leer, the second being learnt 20 levels after the first... :|
Scratch is affected by sharpness, that’s its only did
they shouldve made zerora a pseudo and we wouldve have plasma fists
Also Super Fang, Nature's Madness, and Ruination are all identical in everything except typing... Which only really matters for Super Fang cuz they all just do 50% of the target's current health
and funny how like Ting-Lu is the only one of the Treasures of Ruin that can get any mileage out of Ruination just because he's so damn tanky
Game Freak for some reason *REALLY* hates physical electric types. EVERY electric type (unless it's a Pikachu clone then it gets special treatement) is stuck with the FAR inferior Wild Charge with 90 base power AND has recoil... We DO get Supercell Slam with the Indigo Disk DLC... But it's only 10 more power with an EVEN bigger drawback of losing 50% HP for missing or hitting a Ground type or a mon using Protect.
"There's still no strong electric type move except the rat"
WILD CHARGE
The voices in my head when I’m trying to sleep
You're the best poketuber, i love ur vibes man.
I love how angry he got at the end 😂
We need more false swipes for more types!!!!
One benefit for mons that have Detect is avoiding Imprison+Protect, since Protect is a ubiquitous move in doubles and shutting your opponent’s Protect down through Imprison can be huge
About that last bit, SUPERCELL SLAM!!!!!!!
Supercell Slam misses almost as much as focus blast. Unlike focus blast, there is a penalty to missing. Half of your fucking health.
When are we getting a Dark-type False Swipe so we can catch ghosts?
Imagine a Pokemon with both Detect, Protect, and Recycle, holding a Leppa Berry with a partner that knows Wide Guard
@ Detect and Protect lower each others chances to activate as well.
Making a move called 'Hold back' when False Swipe's entire gimmick exists is insane
Imprison makes Detect important
Beat me to it
Bro forgot about Supercell Slam
I remember waiting for kakarot in 2019. The good old days
Hold Back has me shook. I mean, I'm struggling to think of a more pointless idea for a move. At least Celebrate has its own fun animation.
I had that munchlax with hold back and it made filling up the pokedex a GODSEND. Plus pulverizing pancake lel
Obviously these "repeated" moves exist because of flavor reasosns. In the case of "False Swipe", its original (japanese) name alludes to striking with the back of a sword, and if you look at the pokémon who learn it, you'll see they all have the ability to make blade-like attacks (Scyther, Kartana...)
Shedinja, Zangoose...Tapu Koko...Karrablast....Spearow.......Shroomish..........Er...Swablu............
Tackle used to be weaker than scratch and pound
Literally your best chance for a physical electric type is now Supercell slam, a TM move that you need to pay to have access to. And also has a 10% chance to do half your health and not hit the opponent, lovely.
I wish there a false swipe type move that used the special stat instead of the physical stat
Honestly agreed. False Swipe and Hold Back kinda feel like unique moves False Swipe being for more Edged Pokémon and Holdback for mons that prefer to pummel their foes.
We got Supercell Slam in blueberry academy
It has a chance to miss, & if it does miss or hit a Ground Type, you lose HALF OF YOUR HEALTH.
@@austingordon3709 Yep, and ALL those drawbacks for a move with *100 base power...* And High Jump Kick, the move it's based on has 130 base power.
Game Freak for some reason REALLY hates physical electric types.
as an avid ground type fan, rototiller is basically just ground type growth (that only works on grass types lmao)
I was super confused on why there were so few comments and likes. Then I looked at when this came out.
Supercell slam and wild charge are given out to a good range of Pokemon also Zekrom and Zeraora get signature physical electric moves
I'm convinced that gamefreak hates luxray😭😭
Still don't get why Behemoth Bash doesn't use Defense instead of Attack
Supercell slam is good. Just don't miss it.
There is actually a niche to detect. Imprison stops pokemon from protecting if they also have protect, and detect would bypass this (imprison can be a common way to stop opposing trick roomers). Also it has less pp, so your Pokémon will struggle sooner for more damage
I love that ending( chefs kiss)
Pokemon with both detect and protect
Protect
Detect
Protect (so on so forth until it misses which then they do the same move until it dosent)
Supercell Slam is the closest to a strong physical electric move we have, and it's still a weaker High Jump Kick in practice.
to this day I keep thinking Rototiller is related to Rotom somehow
I kinda miss we we got event pokemon with unique moves.
I wish they do that more to make them more special
"No strong physical Electric moves"
Supercell Slam would like a word with you. Just add a Wide Lens and you’re good to go.
Ground Types, Protect/Detect & Moves where the user can’t be hit on the first turn (Fly, Phantom Force, Dive, Dig, etc)
There's no way I am wasting my item to use a mediocer electric type move
Supercell Slam is a 100 BP, Physical Electric type attack
O_O Interesting thing is...I think the homebrew I am making for 5e actually added differences between the samey moves!
(Note: DP means damage done by the die used for the Pokémon's physical damage die, which can be different depending on the Pokémon. For example, Darmanitan would use a D12 while Alakazam would use a D4.)
Scratch: Costs 2PP, Does 2DP slashing damage.
Pound: Costs 2PP, does 2DP bludgeoning damage.
Tackle: Costs 2PP, does 2DP bludgeoning damage and can have bonuses from charge attacks added.
If they wanted to make a False Swipe clone, they could've at least made it a type Ghost isn't immune to to give it a niche
They could even make it Electric, Ground, Psychic or Ghost type so there'd be a reason to use each
Supercell slam....wild charge....these are pretty strong electric moves
Well we have a good phyiscal electric move now. Supercell Slam
Steevie: There's no powerful Physical Electric moves besides that damn rat.
Me: Uh, scuse you? Fusion Bolt?
@ thats even more limited
@@julienbronsch5039 It's on two mons, not just one... I mean you need one to get the other but still. :P
And if you think about it, no move is truly exclusive because Sketch.
@@BloodThirstyAvengers Volt Tackle is on 3 mons technically.
And none of them is a legendary.
I also never said that its an exclusive move, just that its more limited.
There are a few exclusive moves besides Scetch though.
Chatter, Hyperspace Void, Tera Starstorm and a few more as of gen 9+DLC
When I was a kid, I misinterpreted False Swipe as being a move that would ALWAYS leave the enemy Pokemon with exactly 1 HP, no matter how full their HP bar was. Was very disappointed when I tried that out and found it not to be the case.
Me too lol. Great minds think alike!
Not a single one of the non signature electtic physical moves should have such massive caveats.
They literally "won't know what him 'em." Nice.
Supercell slam ignorance will not be tolerated
i only know what rototiller is cause i caught a mudbray with it before watching this-
GAMEFREAK!! GIVE LUXRAY BOLT STRIKE OR VOLT TACKLE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!
Detect is a limited ultra instinct for Pokémon
"Damn I wonder who is the favorite- Oh wait nevermind"
Bro was about to make another "Zacian is broken" joke until he saw how is is it going and how Zamazenta is going lately lmao
yeah gen 9 nerfed Zacian into oblivion, where as her brother Zamazenta got the one move he was sorely lacking back in gen 8 and is effectively "intimidate proof"
Cue the Spider-Men pointing meme
Detect is dodging protect is blocking. Whoopti do do
The way they made Supercell Slam an electric-type clone of Jump Kick but with the consequences of High Jump Kick 😭
@ Jump Kick and High Jump Kick have the exsact same consequences though?
Oh damn they do, for some reason I thought jump kick was one 1/4 crash damage 😭
supercell slam's pretty good, isn't it?
Wait I never actually thought about false swipe being good for catching pokemon! That would have helped my attempts at catching Leafeon without killing them.
For whatever reason Game Freak is so reluctant on adding in good physical electric moves without some catch to it. Either the move has low power, low accuracy or its exclusive to certain mons
I mean, theres Supercell Slam. Thats a decent physical electric move.
Aksually, scratch is a slashing move. Idk that if anything with sharpness ever learns it but I guess it is something
@ actually, Scratch *isnt* a slicing move.
Idk why, but it isnt boosted from sharpness
Bro has never herd of supercell slam
At least they added supercell slam
I wish there was a Dark type version of False Swipe so I can catch Ghost types easier
detect is actually good as the 2nd try in a row is 60% instead of 50%