You bet your ass I'm gonna. I never really watched her content but always admired her work. Now, though? I'm most _definitely_ gonna become a proper viewer. It's the least that can be done.
@@demavend6847 Not exactly. IIRC when advent debuted someone in vt board said "they're teletubbies with tits". My source: parrot's video on the matter.
And the ones that remember past Selen and the other livers saying Nijisanji is best company which was true until Yugo's termination things started to go downhill from there.
I'd argue its the upper management. You hear that, Riku? Of course not. You're too busy being a billionaire by bleeding your talents dry, aren’t you? Typical CEOs.
@@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPackhave you seen parrot4chan's latest half an hour video about the selen situation and pomu's graduation? At a certain point he added a pretty evil (in his own words) edit where pomu's past life was talking about how cool nijisanji's vtubers were and that she wanted nijisanji to become well known in the west since people only knew hololive, and then it jump cuts to a clip of pomu behind prison bars playing the harmonica.
@@gurugurumawaru7869i mean, i agree that in lots of institutions (if not all) the problems start at the top and trickle down from there (and if the problem is somehow all with the low level employees there is still probably something upper management did wrong, like hiring), but haven't there been stories around that niji also has problems with its lower level staff? Plenty of individual managers reportedly kinda suck (mika's didn't even watch her stream apparently) and whatever intern they have at the social media station should be fired considering how many important announcements (pomu's graduation, kyo's graduation, that big concert a while ago) were scuffed.
It's the curse of the vtuber community. No matter how bad things get, something even worse is bound to pop up the instant you make a video about the previous thing.
That pretty much sums up what makes Selen special. Behind her “toxic dragon” schtick is someone incredibly passionate and giving, far more than anyone ever asks or expects of her. She projects arrogance for a bit of streaming spice but she’s humble at her core and immensely grateful for everything given to her. I’m forever stuck as a Corn Man now on YT because I can’t ever imagine changing this profile pic she drew for me in a members stream. That’s also what makes her current situation all the more heartbreaking though. Imagine dumping copious amounts of your time and money to give 200% to your fans only for your company, who you’d _think_ would be proud and supportive, promptly punishes you for it again and again. I can’t bring myself to join the crowd of people who actively _want_ her to quit believing it’s for her best, but I really hope she’s treated better and somehow remains as Selen no matter which path she takes. She’s worked so hard to build up her brand image and I’d hate to see it fall apart over this.
I'm pretty sure the reason people want her out of Niji is that they've given up on Niji ever treating their talents well and wish she'd find a different company that will actually appreciate and respect her.
@@ArthionI can’t speak for everyone, but I’m definitely one of those people. If she comes back as Selen, cool. If she comes back as someone new, also cool, here’s hoping she’s treated better. If she chooses not to come back at all, then I wish her nothing but the best. I just want her to be happy and not have to deal with the shithole that is Niji
@@De_VegiOur lunar dragon is finally free and I'm so happy to see all the support she's been getting. Here's to hoping her path ahead is smooth and filled with nothing but happiness and all the love she deserves.
They have the audacity to pretty much go "You're not quitting because you're fired!". Its hilarious because the fact they fired her when she wanted to leave amicably just shows that they are malicious. Everything they did was absolute evil. Posting it on Twitter before even notifying Selen, writing the termination reasons in a way made to demonize her, even lying about the payment of creators for her projects. All of it was unnecessary and they just wanted to do it for their own gain and for her loss. The best thing is that it backfired and did the exact opposite.
Someone who I think flies under the radar is Banzoin Hakka from holostars. He has such a warm and accepting community, a genuine person, as well as a huge grinder, especially with his music. Genuinely I think we should share some of our favorites that fit some of the criteria nousagi set out for us. A group project ya know
Holostars in general flies under the radar. They're so underrated compared to something like, NijiEN male livers despite some of them being absolute gems. I'm guilty of not watching and supporting them enough myself. I really hope they break into the mainstream too eventually.
Honestly for the same reasons too, he is just generally positive and accepting towards everyone and really involved with his community and his fellow content creators, always hyping everyone up from the smallest indies to the biggest corpo vtubers. It's funny how a random normie flesh streamer became a pillar of the vtuber community but his openmindedness and the way he is genuinely happy for other people's accomplishments is rare on twitch.
Fuwamoco are not only hardworking, but are extremely good at audience interaction! They have this amazing balance of doing what they want AND doing what their fans want. What sold me on this was the fact that they took a one off superchat which they didn't really understand (comparing their Rock and Rawr Party to a Kendrick Lamar concert), and worked behind the scenes to learn Silemt Hill (and censor it enough for themselves) so they could keep that joke moving! To me, that's some next level crowd sourcing for content!
i mean the hate was the trans people, so when it comes to them, they hate you for just not going along with their genders 🤣 to begin with so it's kinda like a badge of honor
@@mdb45424 It wasn't the first time she had antis, and it wasn't the last. Don't bother looking up the other instances, it won't enrich your life. She's much better at brushing them off these days though. She was joking about going over her banned user list a few minutes ago on stream.
@akira8393 honestly in all the trans spaces i was in they were appalled at the reactions to people who played it. Honestly i think it was a false flag action or something done to stir up drama and hate against trans people
Now after the joke at the beginning of this video, I've realized: "Man, Selen would be a incredible successor of Coco". They're really like twin sisters, who share only the best traits and ideals.
Just heard the news of her termination, absolutely ridiculous that they blamed her for literally getting bullied. At this point im happy she is out of that hell.
They’ve also been through tough times that gives them a sense of sympathy. Selen gets bullshit from the management, and everyone just wants her to graduate already. Fuwamoco were dropped in their past workplace due to financial problems and they already did their job promoting the game, so they weren’t needed anymore. Pikamee was harassed for playing Hogwarts Legacy, and her entire fanbase came to her defense and universally shared the grief of her graduation.
Nobody is really free from haters. I’m pretty sure people mostly have a good opinion of Selen and she deserves it but she has her antis like anyone else. Let’s not delude ourselves with this at least. Even Fuwamoco, the least offensive people in the industry, have their own cadre of insane obsessives waiting eagerly for them to step one toe out of line. The Pikamee event was what happens when those obsessives manage to get something… anything, to stick.
Nothing is universal except for death. That being said, there are things/people/music/etc. that are “universally” loved. It’d be realistic to say they’re more loved by anyone, and haters would not have a legitimate reason to hate them….but that doesn’t roll off the tongue very well. These VTubers are easy to recommend to anyone who likes VTubers. To put it another way, it’s kind of like The Beatles. If someone loves music, generally, they either like The Beatles, or it’d be easy to recommend them. 99.99% of the time you’ll be right. The only people I’ve ever heard about that don’t like them are either people who just don’t listen to/like music, or contrarians. I’m not saying there aren’t people who don’t like them who don’t fall into one of those categories , but it’s pretty few and far between. So yes, they do have haters…but 99.99% of them are illegitimate. If you show them to any reasonable person, they will probably love them. I’m not even sure why I wrote this whole thing, but I’ve put too much effort into it to just delete it.
Ive been watching vtubers for years now but i never had an actual vtuber oshi. After a while in this community i casually called my favorites my oshi, but it didnt hold the same weight as my other non vtuber oshis. There were some that got close but i just didnt feel that same connection as with my already established favorite idols. Then fuwamoco came along and suddenly that same feeling in my heart for my other oshis came out of nowhere and theyve had my heart in a death grip ever since. I can actually fully say i have an oshi in this community now thanks to them 💙🩷 theyre passion and hard work and everything about them up from their personalities and their interactions with us and eachother to the up to their designs all struck a cord with me. Upon that first BAU BAU and their pledge of loyalty at debut, each rock and rawr party, every fuwamoco morning and mococo’s pup talks, celebrating each milestone, up to now being able to pledge loyalty back and celebrating their birthdays, theyve been this incredible beacon of light for me these past 6 months and i can fully, confidently say, i have an oshi now. And funnily enough theyve gotten quite a few superchats (one time right after the other) of other ruffians recounting the same thing. They truly are something special, and in the words of another ruffian ‘before i was oshiless until fuwamoco came along and gave me TWO!’ Anyway i just did exactly what you said in the video and ive outed myself as a ruffian lol Anyway BAU BAU 🐾🩷💙
Honestly, everything you mentioned about what makes Selen so great in combination with the contents of the statement released by Niji is what makes me think that she would be a good addition to VShojo, if she wants to go that route. Simply because of what I've seen Mata say about the difference between how she was treated at Niji (or 'Hollywood' as she disguises it) versus how she's treated at VShojo when it comes to how much she's supported in pursuing her goals and the like. The statement Niji released regarding Selen's termination paints a picture of her working her ass off constantly to improve Niji's brand, while Niji was consistently denying her the resources to do so to the fullest extent (while at the same time reaping the benefits of what she was able to achieve despite this). Imagine what she could achieve in terms of cross-community collabs if instead of having an agency that fought her at every step of the way, she had an agency that was willing and able to support her in those projects.
Other than Fuwamoco, In Hololive there’s Kaela and Bijou. For me these two really show sincerity, hardwork, and positivity. Kaela being openly honest about her feeling of gratitude to her viewer and enjoy every game she plays. While bijou always being funny little goblin always make my day. I can’t think of any reason for people to hate these two. I’m just making these comments since DN don’t seem to mention them in the video.
Kaela after years and years with that 50+ hours non stop League of Legends game molded her to be a saint rather than toxic waste, a rare case. Also yeah she even got hate superchat before, annoying backseaters, collab beggars, and ppl who comparing number of her subs/ccv, but she always defused the situation and the stream is back on track very quickly. Thus leading her chat also so quick to ignore and not berate those trolls.
Honestly, Kaela and I guess the entire HoloID vtubers in general also deserve the "unhateable" label DN give to these 3 examples. HoloID is able to get away with so much because they managed to nurture a solid and loyal fanbase to tank the hate everytime they do something deemed to be controversial in the Hololive community even dated back from Area 15's era Iofi were harrassed by some of the lesser mature chumbuds back in the day, and the entire community, not just her fanbase, acts, because Risu and Moona also acted against Iofi's harrassers, so their fanbase followed too, and that become the norm within the HoloID fanbase ever since, including to the time when the Hogwarts Legacy drama reached Kobo. These 9 girls are so beloved by their communities, and they definitely put in the work for it
@@aisukururimu7515 People who harrased Kobo regreted it VERY fast. One thing everyone should know is that you don't mess with Indonesians, if you piss them off enough they will find you even if you hide on the bottom of the sea.
I feel like she's something akin to "the Ollie of Nijisanji", where she is a completely genuine ball of positivity that is her true self both on stream and off stream, which naturally draws many people by her side. Her brand of humour hasn't really been my thing, but all I've seen from her is pure love and support towards the vtubing scene as a whole and that seems to reflect her personality behind the scenes as well with how many are coming out to stand up and protect her.
I hope selen get well and give good news soon... In other notice, i advice you study of the latin american company called Owozu, is the most bigger corpo and his fail is magnificent, you would have a lot of fun
None of the talents mentioned Selen at all recently if I am correct. Reselling of voice packs and considering the activities before this I think we can assume she is terminated or left Nijisanji already..
@@lizlizbianrosethornsword oh no, thanks for the answer and what a shame for that you said. I am purely a Hololibe fan but I can appreciate the Selen's legacy and her importance in the vtuber community
@@yeissonvelandia699Both a Nijisanji fan and Holo Fan here. If only both companies were managed by Yagoo. I think the story would be different oh well. Reality is a beech after all.
@@akira8393highlighting positive sides of something that has toxicity is NOT an echo chamber! It's actually very productive to BOTH highlight the good and the bad, because it allows for change. When you highlight only the good, you stagnate, and only the bad, you crumble.
Thank you for continuously pumping out interesting videos, DN! However, the history of Selen reminds me of a certain pegasus - maybe a kinder persona, but underneath they have a lot of common, hard working, seek to elevate not themselves but other vtubers, friends but strangers too, via common work, work hard for their fans and also, if I may say so, keen business sense. Remember when RUclips shorts exploded in popularity and there were basically two vtubers from small agencies who were ready to ride this wave to stardom? And the other one, Rin, truly got her deserved position. But that brings me to a more darker part. Neither Selen nor Letty were universally loved, in fact some particular people who worked with them seemed to taken a negative disposition - and the persons were the managers. I don't know if they were members of Hard-working Employee Victims Anonymous but I cannot imagine another reason. Maybe they hated the amount of projects, the work being thrust upon themselves, it is hard to say, but ultimately it came to a clash in both cases. And even if you say gen 3 laid their heads on the chopping block themselves, they wouldn't do it without a reason. Let's not forget the negative good-byes from their agencies they got sent off with, I understand both Niji and Kawaii have a tendency to "realize" how "evil" the vtubers who were just terminated were but it is still a bad taste. It leaves us with some interesting questions, IMO: How many vtubers like that actually exist in some companies but are being held down because it is too hard to get their project through all the approvals because the company is not as interested in their success? And what can a company do to instill the right mood in their managers, to make them excited about their vtubers' and their company's success so they feel like it's hard work but it will pay off to them in the end? Well, let's hope that we as fans will find a way and get together to hold the companies more accountable for the environment they make for their talents.
Considering in a previous video you mentioned Ironmouse as an example of someone immune to criticism, I expected to see her in this video cause the only negative attention she gets is schizos on 4chan memeing about the possibility that her immunodeficiency is fake. Nice to see you give Selen recognition though since your content in general never touches on Nijisanji period aside from dipping in on the negative press surrounding them.
Let's be real, finding positive things to say about Niji is becoming increasingly harder with each passing week. As a HoloNiji enjoyer myself, laughing at them about the whole situation is all I have left to cope with how depressing their decision streak has been for over a year now. The alternative would be to not talk about them at all, which isn't much better imo, or focus on their past achievements, which he already did. I can't exactly fault him for choosing talking over silence anyway, even if it forces him to address how objectively and unilaterally terrible their decisions are. Reminder that he was also one of the only people actually _defending_ them about their termination of Gundou Mirei over the baseball tweet, and with compelling arguments too.
@@BlaZay bullshit. Its easy to find who is a niji fan and who isn't by how much they know about the main branch and how they say if 2023 was a good year or not. You are just a NijiEn or Id fan, not a nijifan.
@@ausgod538^ Hear ye! Hear ye! The only Nijifan are those who love and only focused on the main branch only, just like what our great yacht-haver Tazumi think! He said it! Other NijiEN and NijiID fans are not the real "Nijifan"!
@@ariswiryanta7038 the only nijisanji is in japan, the others are called nijien, nijiid, nijikr etc for a reason. if you only watch one branch you arent a niji fan you are a fan of that branch
Well, a correction for your video, selen is not unhateable. After all, Niji-En hates selen so much they were willing to take her down at the expense of their own existence.
Ngl, first time experience about Korone - at first, I thought she's just a girl who likes playing videogames. But the longer I stay, she starts to grow on me. It started from feeling like she's a little sister I've never had when she started to play games like RE and DOOM. And when she started to throw tantrum, I really wished to give everything I got for her - like a grandfather spoiling his precious granddaughter. (Might be a weird analogy, but you know what I mean) And then... There's Pekora. She's like the type of sibling that I'd love to troll every chance I get. She's gonna cry and yell at you, but you can just buy her candy or whatever to shut her up. And the cycle continues. Same goes with Chibi. But Chibi is much more gremlin-ish than Pekora. The rest like Silvervale, Zen, Kronii, and the like are "hubba-hubba" material.
Well, this is oddly timed. I just watched this yesterday, and then this happened tonight. Niji has a golden goose of talent, but don't understand how to function in the EN space. This won't end well for them.
The introduction of Selen was like that one anime moment when someone sees a legendary character in the eyes of the main protagonist, didn't know if you were going to start talking about her or Coco fr
I was unsure about FuwaMoco' ability to succeed before I saw them. I didn't realize they were IRL sisters. I thought 2 strangers were going to be forced to share one account. Share one income stream? How would this work? Well, after seeing them I think they quickly rose to being in the top 10 (maybe top 5) vtubers out there. I'm one who is sick to death of the over-sexualized slut-vtuber trope and I think FuwaMoco hits all the right points for what made vtubing so popular. Cute girls, funny, silly and entertaining. Even just terms like 'bau bau' or 'ruffians' are absolutely adorable. I never really watched Selen before but now after her complete disappearance for the past month I'm curious about her and I have the feeling that she has no more future at NiJi. Which I think it a good thing. NiJi EN is a nightmare when it comes to managing and good vtubers deserve much better than that. I also loved Pikamee and hated seeing her vanish. I've seen a few clips of Henja but I refuse to watch anything or anybody from VShojo.
Nijisanji really needs to treat Selen better. Even I, someone who hasn’t even watched her, knows about her and respects what she does to bring her community together. The amount of money, time and effort she puts into her work is admirable. Any company would be fortunate to have her. The fact that Niji appears to have treated her and other talents so disrespectfully and mismanaged them that badly is shocking. They really need to get their act together. They already lost Pomu, which was horrible in and of itself, but losing Selen soon afterwards? That would be devastating.
Bau Bau.😊 Sadly no WAH 😢 Ina is also an excellent example. I've never seen somebody hate her. Maybe not like her streams that much but she is the embodiment of comfy and warm streams.
@@r-cats6001 i'd say overall the takodachis are pretty chill. They just get out of hand if you take their ina and cookie fix away. I should know as I'm one of them 😅
Quite some people actually hate Henya. There are Vshojo haters claiming she changed (became more lewd) after joining it and "whored herself", there are people still mad over her intending to play Hogwarts legacy and being turned into some sort of matyr, there are also people claiming that her model is a "literal child with a boob window", etc.
the haters sure love making everything up about Henya as shes still the Pikamee what we know all know and love, just that she has more freedom to express herself. those haters need to Touch grass shit.
I'm pretty sure those aren't vtuber fans so they don't matter, (the Hogwarts Legacy one) and as for the others I'm pretty sure I have to dig deep it the trash heap to find them so I don't think they matter either.
The reason I have watched every single FWMC Morning (all 76+) is because I know I am guaranteed to smile. Every single one has special moments that always make me, or, allow me, to laugh and smile 😄
It may have been awhile since I last watch fuwamoco as some of the content they have made is a little dull to me, but they are just too cute! I’ll never forget the Bau Bau
After this video I'm starting to think that the EN managers are actually envious on her because she made so much that originally would be the managers work.
Genuinely Selen was the Niji member that would probably take a plane to the sad niji members place and get their contact and be like guess whotook a 36 hr flight to japan to drag their senpai or kouhai out of the rut XD. And like for the meme be in a cardboard box like a lost cat vibes. And then be like where is the best food?
Yes Selen is universally loved, and that's what makes Millie's shilling all the more frustrating. After Selen is officially gone I'll never watch anything from that black company again. Pomu and Selen were the only good members anyway.
SHOW HER LOVE RIGHT NOW YOU BASTARDS
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You bet your ass I'm gonna. I never really watched her content but always admired her work. Now, though? I'm most _definitely_ gonna become a proper viewer. It's the least that can be done.
Lobby is open for her stream
"Fuwamoco is the adult version of Teletubbies with Twins, Tummies and Tits." - Depressed Nousagi 2024
You heard it here first!
I mean, he's not wrong...
Pretty much spot on, bau bau
@@demavend6847 Not exactly. IIRC when advent debuted someone in vt board said "they're teletubbies with tits". My source: parrot's video on the matter.
as a tummy enjoyer i can confirm
Selen is never hated imo but you know who is hated? Nijisanji and Any colour management who took so many good talents from us.
I hate her
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Nah, they are people that dislike selen, it's just that niji's management is so much worse that selen is automatically "good" compared to them.
YES
What kind of horrible monsters could hate Selen? Oh, right, Nijisanji managers exist...
And the ones that remember past Selen and the other livers saying Nijisanji is best company which was true until Yugo's termination things started to go downhill from there.
Yacht $$$$$
I'd argue its the upper management. You hear that, Riku? Of course not. You're too busy being a billionaire by bleeding your talents dry, aren’t you? Typical CEOs.
@@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPackhave you seen parrot4chan's latest half an hour video about the selen situation and pomu's graduation? At a certain point he added a pretty evil (in his own words) edit where pomu's past life was talking about how cool nijisanji's vtubers were and that she wanted nijisanji to become well known in the west since people only knew hololive, and then it jump cuts to a clip of pomu behind prison bars playing the harmonica.
@@gurugurumawaru7869i mean, i agree that in lots of institutions (if not all) the problems start at the top and trickle down from there (and if the problem is somehow all with the low level employees there is still probably something upper management did wrong, like hiring), but haven't there been stories around that niji also has problems with its lower level staff? Plenty of individual managers reportedly kinda suck (mika's didn't even watch her stream apparently) and whatever intern they have at the social media station should be fired considering how many important announcements (pomu's graduation, kyo's graduation, that big concert a while ago) were scuffed.
Pikamee and Henya could be best friends if they ever collab with each others 😢 but that will never happen
Yeah, a Pikamee and Henya collab would be perfect… Too bad Pikamee graduated and she never came back ;-;
In another Universe we have two kettles collabing with Ina and Biboo. Their laughs makes the universe have a stroke.
It can! I just have to stop taking my meds
Pikamee collabed with herself, maybe henya can collab with henya too!
Maaan i miss Pikamee a lot, i imagine her sharing Reeses with Henya.... or figthing for it lmao
I miss the giggly purple dragon so much, i miss her laugh :(
now ur probably gonna miss it more
Worry not folks
@@undefinedrefinement 💀
She's dokibird go check her out, she's streaming on Feb. 7
Dont worry she polymorph into a blondy 😂
Well, this video ended up... interestingly timed.
It's the curse of the vtuber community. No matter how bad things get, something even worse is bound to pop up the instant you make a video about the previous thing.
I legit laughed hard when you said Fuwamoco is adult teletubies
They be a hive mind on how in sync their noises are
@SomeGuyWithABlueMask very true. They always in sync even when they try not to
@@Einz913 That's the thing... it happens when they don't try to!
They do act like babies. Uwu
@@Setsuzation yeah and I love it
That pretty much sums up what makes Selen special. Behind her “toxic dragon” schtick is someone incredibly passionate and giving, far more than anyone ever asks or expects of her. She projects arrogance for a bit of streaming spice but she’s humble at her core and immensely grateful for everything given to her. I’m forever stuck as a Corn Man now on YT because I can’t ever imagine changing this profile pic she drew for me in a members stream.
That’s also what makes her current situation all the more heartbreaking though. Imagine dumping copious amounts of your time and money to give 200% to your fans only for your company, who you’d _think_ would be proud and supportive, promptly punishes you for it again and again.
I can’t bring myself to join the crowd of people who actively _want_ her to quit believing it’s for her best, but I really hope she’s treated better and somehow remains as Selen no matter which path she takes. She’s worked so hard to build up her brand image and I’d hate to see it fall apart over this.
i mean I'm not gonna lie, some of them do suck but the apex one is worthwhile
I'm pretty sure the reason people want her out of Niji is that they've given up on Niji ever treating their talents well and wish she'd find a different company that will actually appreciate and respect her.
@@ArthionI can’t speak for everyone, but I’m definitely one of those people. If she comes back as Selen, cool. If she comes back as someone new, also cool, here’s hoping she’s treated better. If she chooses not to come back at all, then I wish her nothing but the best. I just want her to be happy and not have to deal with the shithole that is Niji
@@De_VegiOur lunar dragon is finally free and I'm so happy to see all the support she's been getting. Here's to hoping her path ahead is smooth and filled with nothing but happiness and all the love she deserves.
@@101falcon cheers to that. Also in a definitely completely absolutely unrelated note, Dokibird’s at 237k subs and counting
Bloody hell they have the audacity to announce selen is terminated after all the graduations.
Well I'm off to find a video about her graduation.
@@loonylenny she's actually terminated not graduate. Their different
@@Elira_kunit's like quiting and firing are different, but companies will often let people quit to save backlash from firing.
They have the audacity to pretty much go "You're not quitting because you're fired!". Its hilarious because the fact they fired her when she wanted to leave amicably just shows that they are malicious. Everything they did was absolute evil. Posting it on Twitter before even notifying Selen, writing the termination reasons in a way made to demonize her, even lying about the payment of creators for her projects. All of it was unnecessary and they just wanted to do it for their own gain and for her loss. The best thing is that it backfired and did the exact opposite.
@@Cromonas ya fr
Someone who I think flies under the radar is Banzoin Hakka from holostars. He has such a warm and accepting community, a genuine person, as well as a huge grinder, especially with his music.
Genuinely I think we should share some of our favorites that fit some of the criteria nousagi set out for us. A group project ya know
I was literally thinking about him seconds before seeing this comment.
Love me some Hakka appreciation!
Holostars in general flies under the radar. They're so underrated compared to something like, NijiEN male livers despite some of them being absolute gems. I'm guilty of not watching and supporting them enough myself. I really hope they break into the mainstream too eventually.
Also Nagzz21, all vtubers love that Boston guy
Except for Chibidoki
@@MrNorker77 she is Tsundare
@@MrNorker77 Chibi loves him
Honestly for the same reasons too, he is just generally positive and accepting towards everyone and really involved with his community and his fellow content creators, always hyping everyone up from the smallest indies to the biggest corpo vtubers. It's funny how a random normie flesh streamer became a pillar of the vtuber community but his openmindedness and the way he is genuinely happy for other people's accomplishments is rare on twitch.
At this point nagzz is basically a vtuber.
Fuwamoco are not only hardworking, but are extremely good at audience interaction! They have this amazing balance of doing what they want AND doing what their fans want.
What sold me on this was the fact that they took a one off superchat which they didn't really understand (comparing their Rock and Rawr Party to a Kendrick Lamar concert), and worked behind the scenes to learn Silemt Hill (and censor it enough for themselves) so they could keep that joke moving! To me, that's some next level crowd sourcing for content!
Seems they are true entertainers.
They talk about the ruffians a lot, so they are good at pleasing the fans.
Fuwamoco Mentioned.
Therefore BAU BAU!
I am not Chiwawa
I am Fuwawa
I am not Fuwawa
I am Mococo
Together we are
FuwaMoco
Bau Bau
BAU BAU
Bau bau detected
Therefore
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They just announced Selen's termination... Bloody disgusting
I am not sure that nobody hated Pikamee, however Pikamee was loved such that anyone who hated her was regarded as basically subhuman.
Most of the hate was artificial, they made her the straw man for hogworts, even though she didn't play it.
i mean the hate was the trans people, so when it comes to them, they hate you for just not going along with their genders 🤣 to begin with so it's kinda like a badge of honor
@@mdb45424 It wasn't the first time she had antis, and it wasn't the last. Don't bother looking up the other instances, it won't enrich your life. She's much better at brushing them off these days though. She was joking about going over her banned user list a few minutes ago on stream.
Oh boy...
@akira8393 honestly in all the trans spaces i was in they were appalled at the reactions to people who played it. Honestly i think it was a false flag action or something done to stir up drama and hate against trans people
We Stan the Giggley Purple Dragon in this House! 💜
Dragoons...Spear Salute Formation!
But more so, a certain blond bird these days.
Now after the joke at the beginning of this video, I've realized: "Man, Selen would be a incredible successor of Coco". They're really like twin sisters, who share only the best traits and ideals.
i wish
Just heard the news of her termination, absolutely ridiculous that they blamed her for literally getting bullied. At this point im happy she is out of that hell.
They’ve also been through tough times that gives them a sense of sympathy.
Selen gets bullshit from the management, and everyone just wants her to graduate already.
Fuwamoco were dropped in their past workplace due to financial problems and they already did their job promoting the game, so they weren’t needed anymore.
Pikamee was harassed for playing Hogwarts Legacy, and her entire fanbase came to her defense and universally shared the grief of her graduation.
Also with pikamee, she was bullied for how she looked because she’s half Japanese.
What game did Fuwamoco promote?
@@loonylenny A game called Go! Go! Nippon! ~My First Trip to Japan~
@@loonylenny Go! Go! Nippon! ~My First Trip to Japan~
@ps4pro668 yep that's definitely them
This video aged pretty well in a way. We are seeing what happens when a big agency tries to do an "unhateable" talent dirty in the worst of fashions.
Nobody is really free from haters. I’m pretty sure people mostly have a good opinion of Selen and she deserves it but she has her antis like anyone else. Let’s not delude ourselves with this at least. Even Fuwamoco, the least offensive people in the industry, have their own cadre of insane obsessives waiting eagerly for them to step one toe out of line. The Pikamee event was what happens when those obsessives manage to get something… anything, to stick.
Nothing is universal except for death. That being said, there are things/people/music/etc. that are “universally” loved. It’d be realistic to say they’re more loved by anyone, and haters would not have a legitimate reason to hate them….but that doesn’t roll off the tongue very well.
These VTubers are easy to recommend to anyone who likes VTubers.
To put it another way, it’s kind of like The Beatles. If someone loves music, generally, they either like The Beatles, or it’d be easy to recommend them. 99.99% of the time you’ll be right. The only people I’ve ever heard about that don’t like them are either people who just don’t listen to/like music, or contrarians. I’m not saying there aren’t people who don’t like them who don’t fall into one of those categories , but it’s pretty few and far between.
So yes, they do have haters…but 99.99% of them are illegitimate. If you show them to any reasonable person, they will probably love them.
I’m not even sure why I wrote this whole thing, but I’ve put too much effort into it to just delete it.
in the internet there's always different kinds of people. you're not guaranteed to be liked by everybody in class let alone the entire internet.
@@unmemorablehero literally you just proved that you are never universally loved. you still have that 0.01 percent that's not gonna like it.
Sometimes I want to hear vtubers tell me to do a flip, but other times I just want to BAU BAU
Ive been watching vtubers for years now but i never had an actual vtuber oshi. After a while in this community i casually called my favorites my oshi, but it didnt hold the same weight as my other non vtuber oshis. There were some that got close but i just didnt feel that same connection as with my already established favorite idols. Then fuwamoco came along and suddenly that same feeling in my heart for my other oshis came out of nowhere and theyve had my heart in a death grip ever since. I can actually fully say i have an oshi in this community now thanks to them 💙🩷 theyre passion and hard work and everything about them up from their personalities and their interactions with us and eachother to the up to their designs all struck a cord with me. Upon that first BAU BAU and their pledge of loyalty at debut, each rock and rawr party, every fuwamoco morning and mococo’s pup talks, celebrating each milestone, up to now being able to pledge loyalty back and celebrating their birthdays, theyve been this incredible beacon of light for me these past 6 months and i can fully, confidently say, i have an oshi now. And funnily enough theyve gotten quite a few superchats (one time right after the other) of other ruffians recounting the same thing. They truly are something special, and in the words of another ruffian ‘before i was oshiless until fuwamoco came along and gave me TWO!’
Anyway i just did exactly what you said in the video and ive outed myself as a ruffian lol
Anyway BAU BAU 🐾🩷💙
Bau bau indeed brutha/sista
Honestly, everything you mentioned about what makes Selen so great in combination with the contents of the statement released by Niji is what makes me think that she would be a good addition to VShojo, if she wants to go that route.
Simply because of what I've seen Mata say about the difference between how she was treated at Niji (or 'Hollywood' as she disguises it) versus how she's treated at VShojo when it comes to how much she's supported in pursuing her goals and the like.
The statement Niji released regarding Selen's termination paints a picture of her working her ass off constantly to improve Niji's brand, while Niji was consistently denying her the resources to do so to the fullest extent (while at the same time reaping the benefits of what she was able to achieve despite this). Imagine what she could achieve in terms of cross-community collabs if instead of having an agency that fought her at every step of the way, she had an agency that was willing and able to support her in those projects.
Parasocial is a hell of a drug
Holostars beggers are as well. I mean even though those are bad parasocial aka unicorns are some of the most toxic poison in the community.
@@lizlizbianrosethornsword but ngl it's because of them i got a gold from the fuwamoco moment. I'd say good for them
Swifty fans are even worse
11:41 "And these three girls..."
Four girls - Selen, Fuwawa+Mococo & Pikamee.
Other than Fuwamoco, In Hololive there’s Kaela and Bijou. For me these two really show sincerity, hardwork, and positivity. Kaela being openly honest about her feeling of gratitude to her viewer and enjoy every game she plays. While bijou always being funny little goblin always make my day.
I can’t think of any reason for people to hate these two. I’m just making these comments since DN don’t seem to mention them in the video.
Kaela after years and years with that 50+ hours non stop League of Legends game molded her to be a saint rather than toxic waste, a rare case.
Also yeah she even got hate superchat before, annoying backseaters, collab beggars, and ppl who comparing number of her subs/ccv, but she always defused the situation and the stream is back on track very quickly. Thus leading her chat also so quick to ignore and not berate those trolls.
Honestly, Kaela and I guess the entire HoloID vtubers in general also deserve the "unhateable" label DN give to these 3 examples. HoloID is able to get away with so much because they managed to nurture a solid and loyal fanbase to tank the hate everytime they do something deemed to be controversial in the Hololive community even dated back from Area 15's era
Iofi were harrassed by some of the lesser mature chumbuds back in the day, and the entire community, not just her fanbase, acts, because Risu and Moona also acted against Iofi's harrassers, so their fanbase followed too, and that become the norm within the HoloID fanbase ever since, including to the time when the Hogwarts Legacy drama reached Kobo. These 9 girls are so beloved by their communities, and they definitely put in the work for it
@@aisukururimu7515 People who harrased Kobo regreted it VERY fast. One thing everyone should know is that you don't mess with Indonesians, if you piss them off enough they will find you even if you hide on the bottom of the sea.
And don't forget about Biboo's meme....
Very interesting timing with the release of this video. Not even 3 days later, you prove a good point here.
I feel like she's something akin to "the Ollie of Nijisanji", where she is a completely genuine ball of positivity that is her true self both on stream and off stream, which naturally draws many people by her side.
Her brand of humour hasn't really been my thing, but all I've seen from her is pure love and support towards the vtubing scene as a whole and that seems to reflect her personality behind the scenes as well with how many are coming out to stand up and protect her.
Omg, I love Ollie!
This video age like fine wine at least for the Selen part.
I hope selen get well and give good news soon... In other notice, i advice you study of the latin american company called Owozu, is the most bigger corpo and his fail is magnificent, you would have a lot of fun
None of the talents mentioned Selen at all recently if I am correct. Reselling of voice packs and considering the activities before this I think we can assume she is terminated or left Nijisanji already..
@@lizlizbianrosethornsword oh no, thanks for the answer and what a shame for that you said. I am purely a Hololibe fan but I can appreciate the Selen's legacy and her importance in the vtuber community
@@yeissonvelandia699Both a Nijisanji fan and Holo Fan here. If only both companies were managed by Yagoo. I think the story would be different oh well. Reality is a beech after all.
@@yeissonvelandia699Super important. But once she comes back under another identity she will be much more stronger than ever before.
@@FuwaMocoNumber1DoggyPack I hope that, would be a shame if a talent like her got waste for niji
Selen, wherever you are, I hope you are safe and in a good place now. Good to see her tweet on her PL account
It's nice to see a more positive video thats highlights the good things in vtubing. big love
i dunno really, you might as well just be in echo chamber
@@akira8393highlighting positive sides of something that has toxicity is NOT an echo chamber! It's actually very productive to BOTH highlight the good and the bad, because it allows for change. When you highlight only the good, you stagnate, and only the bad, you crumble.
Fluff it! We Bau Bau - Ruffians probably
Not probably. Definitely.
Ruffians are coming out of the woodwork for this vid.
Crazy timing with the selen stuff that came out roughly yesterday
Dokibird returns 🐤
To greater hights freebird. Lets go support her nowww
RALLY THE TROOPS
She'll be live in 11 hours fellow soldiers, prepare the words of support!! And be prepared to shit on nijisanji afterwards, depending on her words.
Thank you for continuously pumping out interesting videos, DN!
However, the history of Selen reminds me of a certain pegasus - maybe a kinder persona, but underneath they have a lot of common, hard working, seek to elevate not themselves but other vtubers, friends but strangers too, via common work, work hard for their fans and also, if I may say so, keen business sense. Remember when RUclips shorts exploded in popularity and there were basically two vtubers from small agencies who were ready to ride this wave to stardom? And the other one, Rin, truly got her deserved position.
But that brings me to a more darker part. Neither Selen nor Letty were universally loved, in fact some particular people who worked with them seemed to taken a negative disposition - and the persons were the managers. I don't know if they were members of Hard-working Employee Victims Anonymous but I cannot imagine another reason. Maybe they hated the amount of projects, the work being thrust upon themselves, it is hard to say, but ultimately it came to a clash in both cases. And even if you say gen 3 laid their heads on the chopping block themselves, they wouldn't do it without a reason. Let's not forget the negative good-byes from their agencies they got sent off with, I understand both Niji and Kawaii have a tendency to "realize" how "evil" the vtubers who were just terminated were but it is still a bad taste.
It leaves us with some interesting questions, IMO: How many vtubers like that actually exist in some companies but are being held down because it is too hard to get their project through all the approvals because the company is not as interested in their success? And what can a company do to instill the right mood in their managers, to make them excited about their vtubers' and their company's success so they feel like it's hard work but it will pay off to them in the end?
Well, let's hope that we as fans will find a way and get together to hold the companies more accountable for the environment they make for their talents.
7:30 sounds similar to what happens in deep rock galactic when someone says "Rock and Stone"
Rock and Stone Brother!
@@siriussk5622 DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE
Rock and stone to the bone!
Always happy to see Pikamee/Henya on lists like these. Shes still my favorite to watch
Considering in a previous video you mentioned Ironmouse as an example of someone immune to criticism, I expected to see her in this video cause the only negative attention she gets is schizos on 4chan memeing about the possibility that her immunodeficiency is fake. Nice to see you give Selen recognition though since your content in general never touches on Nijisanji period aside from dipping in on the negative press surrounding them.
If Mousey was faking her disease, she would've already spoiled it to us lol
Let's be real, finding positive things to say about Niji is becoming increasingly harder with each passing week. As a HoloNiji enjoyer myself, laughing at them about the whole situation is all I have left to cope with how depressing their decision streak has been for over a year now. The alternative would be to not talk about them at all, which isn't much better imo, or focus on their past achievements, which he already did. I can't exactly fault him for choosing talking over silence anyway, even if it forces him to address how objectively and unilaterally terrible their decisions are. Reminder that he was also one of the only people actually _defending_ them about their termination of Gundou Mirei over the baseball tweet, and with compelling arguments too.
@@BlaZay bullshit. Its easy to find who is a niji fan and who isn't by how much they know about the main branch and how they say if 2023 was a good year or not. You are just a NijiEn or Id fan, not a nijifan.
@@ausgod538^ Hear ye! Hear ye! The only Nijifan are those who love and only focused on the main branch only, just like what our great yacht-haver Tazumi think! He said it! Other NijiEN and NijiID fans are not the real "Nijifan"!
@@ariswiryanta7038 the only nijisanji is in japan, the others are called nijien, nijiid, nijikr etc for a reason. if you only watch one branch you arent a niji fan you are a fan of that branch
Everyone that was a Dragoon better became a Bark Knight
Still dragoons.
Well, a correction for your video, selen is not unhateable.
After all, Niji-En hates selen so much they were willing to take her down at the expense of their own existence.
Ngl, first time experience about Korone - at first, I thought she's just a girl who likes playing videogames. But the longer I stay, she starts to grow on me. It started from feeling like she's a little sister I've never had when she started to play games like RE and DOOM. And when she started to throw tantrum, I really wished to give everything I got for her - like a grandfather spoiling his precious granddaughter. (Might be a weird analogy, but you know what I mean)
And then...
There's Pekora.
She's like the type of sibling that I'd love to troll every chance I get. She's gonna cry and yell at you, but you can just buy her candy or whatever to shut her up. And the cycle continues.
Same goes with Chibi. But Chibi is much more gremlin-ish than Pekora.
The rest like Silvervale, Zen, Kronii, and the like are "hubba-hubba" material.
SELEN MY GOAT, I SAW HER ON THE THUMBNAIL I CLICKKK I AM DRAGOONINGGG AAGGHHHHH
It seems the only people who have it out for salen are nijisanji management themselves
nijisanji hates people being talented 🤣
Sincerity, entertainment, crativity, community, hardwork, passion. Thank you very much!
coming here after the news like. bruh.. too true, i'll follow her wherever she goes.
Kurosanji be like: Challenge accepted!
Just saw the news. Never watched her but wherever she goes next, I wish her the best of luck
This aged like fine wine 🍷
Daily dose of DN video is filled
Well, this is oddly timed. I just watched this yesterday, and then this happened tonight. Niji has a golden goose of talent, but don't understand how to function in the EN space. This won't end well for them.
My favourite type of VTuber: the ones you can't dislike
The introduction of Selen was like that one anime moment when someone sees a legendary character in the eyes of the main protagonist, didn't know if you were going to start talking about her or Coco fr
I wanna take inspiration from Selen but I don't think I have the same charisma and extroverted personality. She really is talented and hard working
Selen spent over $200,000 on events last year. Came here from her redebut
Seeing this after Selen termination is so sad
always love your positive videos, man, great job!
I was unsure about FuwaMoco' ability to succeed before I saw them. I didn't realize they were IRL sisters. I thought 2 strangers were going to be forced to share one account. Share one income stream? How would this work?
Well, after seeing them I think they quickly rose to being in the top 10 (maybe top 5) vtubers out there. I'm one who is sick to death of the over-sexualized slut-vtuber trope and I think FuwaMoco hits all the right points for what made vtubing so popular. Cute girls, funny, silly and entertaining. Even just terms like 'bau bau' or 'ruffians' are absolutely adorable.
I never really watched Selen before but now after her complete disappearance for the past month I'm curious about her and I have the feeling that she has no more future at NiJi. Which I think it a good thing. NiJi EN is a nightmare when it comes to managing and good vtubers deserve much better than that.
I also loved Pikamee and hated seeing her vanish. I've seen a few clips of Henja but I refuse to watch anything or anybody from VShojo.
Nijisanji really needs to treat Selen better. Even I, someone who hasn’t even watched her, knows about her and respects what she does to bring her community together. The amount of money, time and effort she puts into her work is admirable. Any company would be fortunate to have her. The fact that Niji appears to have treated her and other talents so disrespectfully and mismanaged them that badly is shocking. They really need to get their act together. They already lost Pomu, which was horrible in and of itself, but losing Selen soon afterwards? That would be devastating.
1000% agreed, and also don't forget Kaela who often involves her audiences too to do fun things
kaela is such a loveable dork, its impossible to not like her
Bau Bau.😊
Sadly no WAH 😢 Ina is also an excellent example. I've never seen somebody hate her. Maybe not like her streams that much but she is the embodiment of comfy and warm streams.
The problem with Ina is her downbad fanbase😂. That why if you put “positivity” into Ina title, the fanbase is opposite of that title.
@@r-cats6001 i'd say overall the takodachis are pretty chill. They just get out of hand if you take their ina and cookie fix away. I should know as I'm one of them 😅
Kurosanji watching this video: "I'mma pretend I didn't hear that last sentence."
Quite some people actually hate Henya. There are Vshojo haters claiming she changed (became more lewd) after joining it and "whored herself", there are people still mad over her intending to play Hogwarts legacy and being turned into some sort of matyr, there are also people claiming that her model is a "literal child with a boob window", etc.
She's got 3x her previous audience and success speaks louder than butthurt nobodies on Twitter.
the haters sure love making everything up about Henya as shes still the Pikamee what we know all know and love, just that she has more freedom to express herself. those haters need to Touch grass shit.
I'm pretty sure those aren't vtuber fans so they don't matter, (the Hogwarts Legacy one) and as for the others I'm pretty sure I have to dig deep it the trash heap to find them so I don't think they matter either.
Nijisanji has ripped out it's own heart and doesn't even realize what they've done.
This was a great video.
This is the type of video I'd send to people when they ask me why I love V-Tubers. Thank you.
The reason I have watched every single FWMC Morning (all 76+) is because I know I am guaranteed to smile. Every single one has special moments that always make me, or, allow me, to laugh and smile 😄
I miss my lean lizard sis selen
LEAN LIZARD, BAHAHA
aged like fine wine
Talk about a horrible timing to drop a selen video
I almost hate that i can't listen to "run"(bgm at 11:05) without hearing death grips from mashup with "spikes". Btw, nice video!
May you elaborate on that?
I would also add Ollie to the list. As far as i know, everyone who knows about her likes her
This year is already crazy surprising, im willing to bet 10$ that this video will age like milk
Selen gave back all right, to the tune of $200K of her own money last year.
It may have been awhile since I last watch fuwamoco as some of the content they have made is a little dull to me, but they are just too cute! I’ll never forget the Bau Bau
Henya is one of those Vtubers.
💜Selen Tatsuki💜
I can't believe how she's being treated. She should be the one they lift the highest with her work ethic and passion for her job.
Pikamee got me into watching Vtubers.
Salen's laugh cure depression.
really? it doesn't seem working to me
@@akira8393 Soldier, listen to her laugh till moral improve. You are one of us.
@@ksx612 i feel like my soul is further tortured. is that supposed to happen comrade
@@akira8393Only when the Selenium runs dry. Gah, I miss her, hope she’s ok
@@De_Vegi well i feel for ya with that one. at least you can hear updates from her PL
I dont watch fuwamoco streams just clips, I cant take them, I fear that I will actually catch diabetes if I watch a full stream.
Selen was stealth terminated! Her channel and Twitter are gone!
very timely huh
I love Pikamee as a girlfriend and she has boing boing
Love the need for speed the run music in the background
Yeah, it was somehow really fitting here👌
After this video I'm starting to think that the EN managers are actually envious on her because she made so much that originally would be the managers work.
This aged well....
Selen just got terminated.
NIJISANJI really tryna take the title of The Worst VTuber Agency from WACTOR huh.
Had selen's "attempt" succeeded, they definitely would have.
Wactor doesn't have a body count.
the fact Selen, one of the most wholesome and kind Vtuber get treated like that by niji its painfull
6:13 dude... 😂
As a ruffian, it sounds so wrong to my ears but I have to admit you're right.
Never seen Selen past clips but, hearing her for 30 seconds, I can see why people like her
Boy... this video already aged like milk on the first entry and it's barely 4 days old
Nousagi with another banger
Genuinely Selen was the Niji member that would probably take a plane to the sad niji members place and get their contact and be like guess whotook a 36 hr flight to japan to drag their senpai or kouhai out of the rut XD. And like for the meme be in a cardboard box like a lost cat vibes. And then be like where is the best food?
Selen is definitely NijiEN's GOAT.
Yes Selen is universally loved, and that's what makes Millie's shilling all the more frustrating. After Selen is officially gone I'll never watch anything from that black company again. Pomu and Selen were the only good members anyway.
id argue elira and rosemi are still good but yeah the rest is pretty meh
Rosemi, Elira, Shu, Reimiu, Scarle, and Ike are pretty great. Alban is alright and Zaion was really good but got unjustly axed and humiliated.
Scarle is good but wrong time zone for me. She falls into nagz and chibi sphere of fans
Sonny, Luca, Ren, Aster, Doppio, Vantacrow, and Victoria are pretty good.
elira,vox , ike: hold my beer
"Verily." DN's on his V-tuber prophet arc...
1:14 And I started crying. Pomu big pp energy... I miss her so much.
I love Pika as my girlfriend and she has boing-boing!
Music at 2:36: TOKYOPILL - E t h e r e a l