Why I'm Throwing Away $1000 in Miniature Paints
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
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0:00 Intro and What Has EARNED its Spot
2:57 What Paints we are Making Space For
4:08 The Garbage Paints I'm Getting Rid Of
14:45 The Renovated Paint Space and Final Thoughts 
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Better Help, the people who sold a bunch of private health data to Facebook and Snapchat. I don't understand why so many creators still take their sponsorship. They are bad people.
This needs to be talked about more. I believe that directing people towards BetterHelp instead of a proper licensed therapist is incredibly dangerous. Betterhelp does not have a solid history or reputation.
This guy dose not research his sponsors at all. He's been Spon by temu as well.
Because to them it's just a paycheck. I can't hate the game because it seems more and more RUclips alone isn't gonna help them make a living.
It sucks, but you know what doesn't suck? This week's sponsor Raid Shadow Le-
@@gregorycafiero9688 I do hate the game. Plenty of people are making livings without shilling scams and bullshit.
Wondering how many of the people who bitch about sponsors, are actually Pateron supporters? Literally, put your money where your mouth is.
Oh, and one trick I have learned after years in a too-small apartment: If you aren't sure about getting rid of something, put it in a box and out of sight. If you need it, it's there. If, after a year, you haven't needed it, then you never did, and away it goes.
That TOTALLY excludes wires, connectors and different plumbing shit. Once you throw it out - you're on a timer and you WILL need what you've just thrown out =)
Day, after you threw it, you actually need it
@@FreelancerND every fvcking time !!
Vallejo's alwayws been my workhorse. I got my painting start with Dr Faustus's channel, and he was very persuasive in arguing that you don't want a miniature paint that comes with a model line. You want someone whose business is paint - someone who isn't going to change manufacturers because they *are* the manufacturer. Someone whose paints won't disappear because their miniature game went under. Back then, Vallejo was kind of the one big name in that category. With AK and Proacryl, though, there's definitely more competition.
My FLGS does have a vallejo rack, but it doesn't always get restocked that frequently, so I find myself going to the AK interactive display more often, lately, when I need to add something new to my paint range.
I use both and really like AK, although ever since I learnt about AK's incident I feel more comfortable using Vallejo!
I really enjoyed this video about beef jerky (the small part about paints was cool too).
go vegan
@@sburbtube6766 I'm going to go out and eat _extra_ meat today, out of spite.
Indeed, I too found this informative, and it cleared up some common misconceptions I had about beef jerky.
I mean, you could have offered us some beef jerky... excited and happy to find our way on your shelves!
He has the whole ak set and all contrast....so your paints will go the scale way
I propose a new Army Painter color. Beef Jerky. Made from Raw Umber Very Dark Neutral Shade PC414RU. It's a great shading pigment, a good substitute for black that dries quickly and flows into recesses. Consider it. Could be a hit with Jerky Lovers.
@@jeremiahembs5343 Imagine if paint pots came with a small scratch-n-sniff patch on the lid, so you know what flavour you're getting inside?
@@darkowl9Sounds great. Sign me up!
Wrong. Army painter listens and innovates. Their new lines are incredible. Army is here to stay.
The background continuity in this one is trippy af XD
I’m glad someone else noticed this
Ha ha. I love that he recorded the ending before actually swapping the paints out.
Oh thanks the paint gods that someone else noticed this. The confusion that seeing the fluro Proacryl still sitting there had been causing me is so real. I got stuck trying to work it out and couldn’t, came here for a sanity check!
instead of throwing them away, give them to some people instead.
Oh good, I thought my single Scale75 was busted with the jelly consistency, it's all just awkward and bad. Glad to know! I recently bought the $140 set of Fanatic so I gathered up all my dusty GW and Vallejo paints and listed them up on ebay. I think the Vallejo paints should sell soon, the GW paints sold almost instantly. Byebye pots!
Be sure to toss Betterhelp in the trash too, where it belongs
Agreed about BetterHelp. I know creators take sponsorships due to the extra $ and making sure the lights can stay on but given how much has come out about BetterHelp, it might be worthwhile for creators to do the research they can about a sponsor before signing a contract. Kind of like when Jon had Established Titles as a sponsor and even used the phrase "You will be a lord/lady", which has since been proven to be factually incorrect.
It was not busted, he just pretends he doesn't know how to use them. You use vortex mixer and do not basecoat with them. They're actually high quality paints used for certain purposes.
I have been using my GW paints on terrain and once they are gone, I don't replace them
Pretty sure Beef Jerky got more free advertising than Better Help paid for. Terrible sponsor that I really wish several creators dropped.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanetyexactly scale 75 is my main I have Almost the entire range and really have no idea where the complaints come from. I’ve never found them hard to work with and am not a pro or master by any means. Wet pallet and golden airbrush medium ( for shooting it of course) or golden glaze medium for when you want it thin.
Pro tip buy it from Spain and let them ship it to the states it’s a considerable discount than buying in the US. It’ll take about 2 weeks shipping but it’s about 30% cheaper.
I will take them! Still have a 1000+ mini's that I would love to paint but food prices have killed my hobby
Yeah I think it would be great to give these paints away to those who could really use it. I’d like them but I’m not that short on cash and I have a good amount of paint already.
I’d take them too
Definitely, they need a new home ! I work in youth work and something like this would be a godsend for painting demo sessions 😊 ( Well obviously I cant sadly volunteer to take any of the paints due customs, but hopefully some1 gets some paint ! )
Get a side job like doordash or uber eats and skip a day of painting or gaming and make 100-200 and buy the paints you need man
@@imightjustmakeit that’s not how it works when you live in a small town
I am the faculty advisor for a university student dnd club that started last year that is now wanting to do painting sessions. If you are wanting to get rid of stuff as either a donation or a reasonable price, please let me know. You are one of first people I started following to get me on my painting journey and I thank you for all you do. I am starting to build my collection of pro acryl and I am giving my club my old paints to them to help them out.
GW actually has school programs. I dont know if university level is too high. But atleast for younger ones.
Youll get like .... 10 stormaktstiden, 10 primaris, 6 brushes and a dozen paintbottles. For zero dollars.
Ofc they want to reel people into the hobby. But still.
Jon loves tem-u money, he wont donate it. you have to pay him. hes american. money is all he loves.
@balambgarden1349 dude calm down. If you don't like Ninjon's channel, don't watch it. Loser.
What an unfortunate and ignorant belief. You do realize that kind of negativity and bigotry only hurts you right? I am American. I am first and foremost a Christian, a father, a family man, and a business owner last. There are good people and bad people everywhere. America isn’t perfect but we are comprised of the entire world’s population. Hating America is hating the whole free world.
I've been painting with scale 75 for years and never had an issue with them. I put in some stainless mixing balls and good to go. Each to their own in painting hobbies. I also found some of the best paints I've come across are artist acrylics in tubes by Jo Sonja's. They are excellent for washes, glazes and tints.
As someone who has only dabbled in miniature painting and recently getting back into it, I appreciate your videos. This one was good too as I am slowly working my way to filling in color gaps/replacing old paints I bought over a decade ago. Some paints I used, some are inconsistent, and some have clogged dropper bottles and don't mix well with streaks of partially dry paint in them. Last year I purchased the set of golden high flow fluorescents for fire effects. I also purchased the most wanted speedpaint set to help power through minis for the Skyrim board game. I just purchased my first group of 8 Pro Acryl paints, including their white, and I love the paints. After my first short paint session using them, I took out the brochure and planned my next 8.
Golden makes a bunch of great products.
I also have some of their fluros. Very impressive!
I'm still really happy with how my S75 paints work because I like the matt effect, but I absolutely wouldn't use them instead of my vallejos or APs as a base coat
Yeah, if someone tries to use a scalpel like a saw, who is to blame for the inevitable failure?
That P3 Coal Black is just amazing
I have a few old p3's that i'm seriously stingy with
Necrotite Green is also a really good one from that range. Too bad PP is run by idiots.
Just a note that if P3 isn't being manufactured anymore, Vallejo Model Color Dark Sea Blue is a color match for P3 Coal Black.
@@UselesswizardStill being made. But just as back in its early days when it was hard to get, PP has to reorder it in very large quantities so we're between an order right now. LGS just restocked its shelf just a week ago, but because of the aforementioned between orders thing Coal Black is sold out.
Thanks for the video! I did this right before adepticon knowing I would return with more!
I'm the exact oppsote with S75 iteresting seeing others opinion of them. They are the only paints i can glaze cofidently with. but even with that said, They are not without there flaws as you bring up here, they are hard to use, and very diffrent to everything else on the market in terms of consistency. But if i'm painting something nowadays they are the go to!
I have the full range and some of the paints I despise, any of the brighter blues and yellow for example. But their fuschia and any of their darker tones are amazing, and of course the metallics. They just have a pretty steep learning curve.
I think my experience with them is that they are fantastic layer paints for the way I use them, but they never worked for me as a base coat paint. I still use the leathers and the skin as highlight colours, but tried painting with them while camping on my wet pallet and it was a pretty hard experience that I didn't really enjoy. Still I love using them as a highlight paint, it seems to blend in pretty nicely.
Kimeria has also been interesting, and there's certain colours I really like, but I think they don't suit me as a whole. Maybe I need to get better at mixing.
@@collinl5023don’t forget about their fantasy and games range. I have almost the entire range. I really don’t have the complaints others do about them but if always use my mixer every time before I put a drop of paint on the pallet and of course I use mixing balls in all my paints. Worth it buy buy a bag of SS balls. Shop around you can definitely find good deals if you look outside of hobby specific areas for them. Glass beads work well for thin paints like inks and contrast etc… even those still should have some agitation.
I think we just need divide paints for different uses. Divide them into paints for wargames and artistic painting. I love scale 75 for very matt finish and glazes purposes. I'll buy new warpaint fanatics for coverage and speed painting wargames miniatures.
Do you ever use a satin medium to help blend? I love the range too and mainly use water to achieve the blends which I get the effect I desire and complete with a satin spray coat.
Black metal by scale 75 is one of the best steel/chain mail colours. And I'm really enjoying priming with the Ak interactive dark brown 'duo exo' range. It really goes on smoothly with a brush.
I agree - best I have used compared to a few other paint lines, too.
John - THANK YOU for this video! You have no idea how long I've been SUFFERING with a severe lack of knowledge when it comes to this subject. Now that I've seen your video, I can confidently say that I am 100% informed on the many aspects and uses of beef jerky. Oh, and the stuff about the paint was neat, too.
I really appreciate a video about products that you have found to be no good. Most influencers are trying to sell us on stuff so it is a breath of fresh air to throw out some crappy products.
by far one of the most useful videos I've seen when helping select different ranges and what colors form the ranges.
i am mostly into vallejo and very pleased with them.
I love the P3 paint too! Pro Acryl i feel is really close to it so now get a lot of that paint.
Man, this is EXACTLY what i needed. I am in same boat with my hobby space and paints. Been debating on what goes and stays. THANK YOU!!
It made me so happy that you didnt get rid of your so flat paints. After you made your video on them ages ago I have used the primary color set from so flat exclusively.
Scale 75 is a tricky beast. Most colors do indeed suck at base coating, but I keep mine around for layering. It's really easy to get them into a "glayer" type consistency, where they have more coverage than a glaze but blend really effortlessly when layering. It's hard to explain but I haven't found another range that behaves this way. Along with the leather colors Jon mentioned, their reds are some of my favorites to work with.
It's weird how Vallejo was once so popular, but now they're turning into this brand that's just kinda... there. They aren't bad at all, but they don't seem to do anything better than their AK, Pro Acryl, or Army Painter counterparts can do. We're spoiled for choice now and Vallejo is just slowly falling to the wayside it seems like.
It's also refreshing to see someone call out Kimera. It's marketed as this super boutique brand but I've never particularly enjoyed using mine (aside from the Red). I had the same reaction when they started selling color blends and wondered why they were going against their one unique aspect of having single pigment paints. I bought the first set a few years ago but have no intention to expand on that.
I love my S75 paints but I don't reach for them for brush painting for the reasons he mentioned in the video. I LOVE them for airbrushing though. I think they thin down beautifully and really enjoy them for that.
Are Scale 75 and the Fantasy and Games range the same as far as how they behave? I only have a handful of Fantasy and Games and I don't have any of the issues people are describing - they're like a thicker Pro Acryl for me only they last longer on the wet palette.
I think Vallejo has become the "Ol' Reliable" of miniature painting like Army Painter is for Hobby Supplies. I tend reach for their Effects Paints like Rust and the Terrain paste, and the Model Color paints I have from tend to get along with my few bottles of Scale 75. They're always there, not promising you the world but getting the job done each time you use them....assuming you can find most colors. I swear it's easier prospecting for gold than it is finding Xpress or the new Game Color ranges most days.
Ironically enough the best Kimera product is the flesh set from the last kickstarter. It's even better than the fairy flesh set.
Fully agree. I want to use my S75 more because that matt finish is so nice and they layer so well, but it is a giant pain having to use something else for basecoating.
I really love the whole brown section of their paints though, theyre muted and realistic and generally always look exactly like the thing theyre meant to.
Vallejo xpress paints are my favorite in the speed paint area. I recommend them over army painter and citadel. And after the second wave they have a good selection of colors.
Thank you, Ninjon, for the incredible breakdown on the benefits of beef jerky.
Gotta say I love Jon’s honesty about his use of paint here. It’s hard to let go, and sometimes you just have to trust yourself, and try something new and different. Great job Ninjon!
I like some of the Scale75 range. I have some of the skin tones and blues/greens and purples. I enjoy working with them.
I bought the whole vallejo xpress line and i love them. They are my favorite speed paints. I was considering the full warcolours line as my next big purchase...
I have yet to hear anything good about war colors that was not a paid add.
@chrisrains6470 I really like vince vinturella and his tutorials and he really likes them. He does have a different style than most, he likes glazes and filters. War colors more translucent formula seems to work for this style. I think I'll end up going with the new line from army painter for my next purchase now.
Liked this just because you binned the Crapadel paints!
I really thought I was going to skip this video because it was going to be a standard paint review episode but the more that I watched, the more I really understood the methodology you were using for reducing the bloat. Now I’ve got something to do this weekend AND I’m glad I’m not alone in my thoughts about Scale75. I want to like them but they’re just more work to use.
I think it's funny. My entire paint rage includes the starter fantasy Vallejo range, the Vallejo East Germany range, a few blues and purples. And a pack of six inks which I only really use three of. Every color I create is a combination of these paints. I probably spent more on medium, airbrush thinner, And the airbrush.
The reason why a lot of gamers end up with tons of paints is it makes painting armies easier if you don't have to mix a color over and over again. (Also the greed!)
@@jandrewmore Its why I bought purple, I could get the exact purple hue I wanted with mixing. The problem is that it was so finely tuned that I had to use all of it, otherwise there is a lot of wasted paint to get tot hat exact mixture. Now I only need to mix the royal purple I adore, for important miniatures, rather than Greg the Garlic Farmer with a purple handkerchief.
Scale 75 in tubes are the only acrylics I use. I mostly paint in oils.
I love scale 75 artist series paints.
I love an honest review of paints. Even if I dont agree with the review, I still appreciate a painter giving honest critique of paints and detailing specifics about why they do and do not work for them. This is more helpful than how to videos to be honest.
I love the Scale 75 range, but I know what you mean about the gel base and odd texture.
They just don't thin down well with water. I have had a lot of success using an acrylic retardent. I kinda stumbled upon it by accident when i was looking for a way to paint while I travel without a wet pallet.
I love the smoothness and the coverage and the range of colors, but it is certainly extra work and an aquired taste. If you them already and are trying to make them work I'd suggest either the AK or Scale 75 acrylic retardant before tossing them out.
wow quick timing
honestly i feel like people are giving s75 a hard time. People are so used to acrylic water mediums that they wont take the time and learn how to use the gel medium. Once i started glazing colours with s75, it was honestly hard to go back to using other colours. There is no such thing as a bad tool, just a bad craftsman! (Or in this case, ones who expect a gel medium paint to act like a fluid medium base !)
That being said Warpaints fanatic are too expensive for no real reason. Aint nothing wrong with my vallejo range, there's a reason they've been around for over 40 years.
@aalkesandraa You don't base with S75. Period. They're for wet blending and delicate layering and that's the secret.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanetyusing Scale75 Artist for basing is an amazing experience
@aalkesandraa use some sort of surfactant/flow improver (I have warcolours too, which is also gel medium and their surfactant makes them behave like normal paints more)
@aalkesandraa As the Neckbeards used to say, Thin Your Paints. Using a drop or two of water helps break up the thickness and treat them as the next step after the basecoat. Their real strength comes from blending as the other guy says. Basically don't treat them like Citadel or AK Interactive think of SC75 as wanna be Oils and artist grade paint. The only paints in 75 I wouldn't suggest thinning would be the metallics. Metallic paint gets....weird if you thin them out in my personal experience. SC75 really shine when you use them on things like Nighthaunts and models with large areas to paint like wings. Also no shame in using both Vallejo and Scale 75 in the same project, Eclipse Grey is great for shadows and darkening most colors while using Vallejo's Amaranth Red or Dark Vermillion as a basecoat with SC75's Reds tend to make them pop off just right.
Hope that helps.
@aalkesandraa Also, add agitator balls to your S75 bottles and mix them well. Shaker or vortex mixer is great to have. The best way is to get a paint shaker that actually holds the paint bottle for you while it does the shaking.
Wow, a couple of hours ago, Scott on the Miniac channel was talking about minis he hadn't finished painting, and now Jon here is clearing out his paint racks. Talk about cathartic!
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It's actually cool to see that some of our favourite painting RUclips content creators are just like you and I!
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I'm used to paint with colour mixing so have very few paints on my desk. I'm using S75 bottle and artist range as well as kymera. just love them! i will definetely give a try to other ranges too as my workspace will get larger fortunately. love videos like this as it takes some courage to part ways with things that you invested in but still want to test new solutions!
I don't suppose at some point you could do a video where you go through all the paint ranges and pick out some of your favorite must-have paints out of it. Makes it easier for those of us that don't buy the entire set to just buy a few
I would also like to see that.
You have all the info. Make a choose. Look at your models and think of the color scheme you want. Then buy army speed 2.0 or vellejo express in the colors you want for your army. If your are doing one offs or more intricate models in small quantities then consider some inks and oils in those same ranges.
I really hope the P3 range makes a come back as they are just so nice to paint with and have a really good colour range.
I couldn't find anything on it being discontinued, just hard to get. PP seems stuck in a years-long product bungling so it's not exactly surprising.
Yeah definitely not discontinued. I get them locally from my FLGS who just picked them up 8 months ago.
This video inspires me. I've been stuck with Citadel paints for years because I have a whole bunch of 'recipes' that I use that are very convenient to use (mostly when painting armies). Now, that the two thin coats colors, which are practically identical finally exist, I think I will finally slowly replace the entire Citadel range.
Thank you Jon for your supportive words of wisdom at the conclusion of the video!
One thing to note on Vallejo, check hobby lobby, one of the ones near me sells individual pots and discounted box sets, and i imagine if, we as a hobby put some pressure on cooperate they might even sell more.
I'd be careful though...the one near me insists on pricing them at $5-5.50 which is above MSRP (you can also get them online all over the place for $2.68 a bottle, etc.).
@@oskar6661 I'll never shop at Hobby Lobby because I don't support Homophobic Antiquities Thieves.
don't buy from hobby lobby, stolen antiquities dealers
I still love the Scale 75 metallics. Necro gold and Black Metal are my top two favorites. I've not found another brand with that smoothness of metallic flakes.
I just got decayed metal, and yeh it's just warplock bronze but easier to work with. So smooth.
Cool as always. 🖌
I like the paint commentary videos, its super helpful info to decide what to buy.
I think Scale75 make good mixes with contrast medium or newsh because of that weird consistency and coverage
If you are in fact getting rid of paints from your shelves, maybe offer them up in a giveaway or a few giveaways to your viewers? This video serves as a warning for the drawbacks but you can give the ability for others to try the paints without spending the money on them.
I agree. I came to the comments to say so 😊
I don't think Jon is getting rid of them. He seems to just put them in another place harder to reach, and is thus going to use them far less often.
"I don't use or like these brands, so I'm going to give them to my viewers!" Dude, that just sounds weird. It's like a reverse endorsement or something.
Donate them to a school or an art club or something, but not to the people who come here to learn more about wht they _should_ be using, and why.
@@HeadHunterSix It's because some of these things are not objectively bad paints and are, in fact, extremely good if they fit your style.
I actually started my hobby journey with war machine and using P3 paints. Coal black, sanguine base and sanguine highlight are still my all time favourites.
Love P3 paints! Would love even more with dropper bottles
yeah I'm with you on the Citadel... everyone has been begging them for years to switch over to dropper bottles, which like you I also switched my own as well. TOTAL PITA!!!! I since have gone over to other paint lines as well for the same reason. I love P3 as well and was at a hobby store selling all theirs at discount. I grabbed a bunch. I'm not buying hard into the Army Painter new line yet as I really want to try them out first for a while before I get a pile.
I never swapped the bottles ... but as each colour ran out I xhanged ot with other brands . Im down to about 25 bottles now.
Good stuff
If you absolutely must have a citadel color, just buy the two coats line. Almost identical colors in a normal size bottle at less expense. As far as the army Painter speed paint 2.0 fanatic and their washes, they are all flipping amazing!
I have quite a bit of two thin… I’m waiting on the fanatic for a bit as I have a huge line of paints now as it is. I’m always up to trying new though.
Scale 75 are not garbage paints by any means. The last thing you should do with them is basecoating, no wonder you ended up frustrated using tool the wrong way. Wet blending, layering and vortex mixer are secret to uncovering Scale 75 beauty.
Yup totally agree!
@PrzybyszzMatplanety Hey Przybyszu! What paints would you recommend for army painting (28-35mm scale). I love sc75 - have only a few colors and used them for wet blending and glayering. I want to buy more as I like them very much - metallics are my go to already. But I heard they are not best fit for basecoating. Is coverage better when you use them through the airbrush? How fantasy line differs from the scalecolor one?
@@ljari1 Hej! If you feel competent enough with an airbrush to basecoat (I certainly do not yet, only priming), they'll work better. You're supposed do do multiple thin coats of paint with airbrush anyway. Fantasy & Games coverage is slightly better than ordinary S75 because they're not purely gel based so they don't appear as goo out of the bottle. They have also more vibrant and interesting colours - I love Huldra Blue, Innsmouth Blue, Merm Green among others - and dry a little more satin compared to ultra matte S75 main line. However, everything from Scale 75 is more or less crappy in coverage department. Even their Instant Color line have certain paints that need 3 to 5 layers in order to achieve what Citadel Contrasts or Army Painter Speedpaints 2.0 do after one. This doesn't make them bad paints as this is for purpose, S75 products in general are aimed at more experienced painters who use more advanced techniques (smooth transitions and all that). Also for each S75 paint (main or F&G line) you need at least two steel agitators per bottle and hell of a muscle to properly shake them.
For basecoating and general fast army painting I'll propose... Army Painter. Their new Fanatic line is absolutely fantastic for this as they cover so incredibly well - even bright colours like yellow. Now, Fanatic line does have some issues that almost no paid influencers mention. Mainly it's high desaturation of some colours (Fur Brown and Pure Red are actually hues of pink!), additionaly mixing wrong colours desaturates them even more to the point that you can have almost grey paint. I do not know why it is like that, but I think Juan Hidalgo is right suspecting they achieved extreme coverage by adding a lot of cheapest pigment - white. Second issue is mitigated by their flexible triads, first can be worked around by washing or inking surface to increase colour saturation. But if you just basecoat with them, there is no issue at all.
Even with that Army Painter Fanatic are the best if we speak about coverage. I actually think basecoating with Fanatics and doing rest of the work with Scale 75 or Fantasy & Games is the way to go. We can talk about other brands that are worth of your attention, like Pro Acryl or AK Interactive (PA if you live in USA or Western Europe, AK if in Central or Eastern - for example Pro Acryl prices in Poland are twice the price of AK and they're the same level of top quality paints) but availability may be the issue.
As for metallic paints I would recommend Vallejo Metal Colors (Metal Color, not Vallejo Liquid Metal), they're for airbrushes but you can easily work them with ordinary brush. They cover perfectly, flow like water and are the most metallic paints I've ever seen. Their only weakness is 14 hues of steel & silver, but only one gold and copper. :/ I think supplementing golds and coppers with S75 metallics may be good solution.
I generally speak with some experience - I have full S75 F&G, S75 Instant Colors sets, entire S75 metallics sets (gold, steel and copper), AP Fanatic Mega Set, some Pro Acryls, few Vallejo Metal Colors and too much AK paints. If you have any further questions, I'll happily answer.
@@PrzybyszzMatplanety Wow, I didn't expect such a long and elaborate answer. Thank you! Currently, I have a collection of somewhere north of 200 paints-a mix of Citadel, VMC, old VGC, a few P3, and SC. When I do army painting, I tend to basecoat with Citadel Contrast paints and then work only on highlights/layers. So, I guess that would be a viable option for a combo of contrast and SC. What do you think?
I wanted to minimize my collection and make space for SC paints :P. So I want to keep paints for basecoating and get rid of anything else. I have an issue with Citadel paints, as their consistency could be more consistent (pun intended). Some are thicker than others. It's also super frustrating to use them with an airbrush. (And I don't like the pots for their diameter; they take up too much space).
And to be frank, the best thing about SC is its consistency and longer drying time. It makes wet blending, glazing, and layering much easier (and base coating much more difficult).
Thanks so much for your answer :)
If you got to fight and fuck with stuff to make it work, what’s the point of that? That’s why the Army Painter’s previous paint range was shit, it was basically temperamental bad coverage paint that you had to fuck with to get it to work decent-it was trash.
I really like the AK 3rd gen leather set. I’ve made some really great distressed leather cloaks with them
Fun to see how you organized your workspace 👍
Vallejos are valuable, they are solid paints, don't dump them in the trash
The takeaway: Get yourself some beef jerky.
actually really sad about the PP paints though. Love them.
Still would love to have Coal Black.
I use Morrow White religiously for White. And on the other hand, I can apply Khador Red in five out of the pot coats and still see bleedthrough
I see them on eBay all the time for sale. Not sure if the line is disappearing or not but there’s good deals out there.
One of the online stores I buy from still has them. Wonder if it's really old stock? I only have a few, they remind me of the old citadel paints that came in the same type of bottles with the white lids. I actually assumed they just took over that line when Citadel switched manufacturers.
@@robertashton5005 PP is still in business and still has the paints for sale on their website and I haven't heard they aren't making P3 anymore (I still play Warmachine so see PP news frequently)
thank you very much for your insight!
I had the same experience with Scale 75, but I ended up keeping most of their flesh tones along with the metallics just because they're good enough colors to be worth the hassle. African Shadow, you're my best friend
It was coincidental that you made this video. I, myself, am swapping out all my Citadel paints and await the arrival of the Two Thin Coats waves 1, 2, and 3. There's been several subjects now that I've dealt with concurrently. I take it as a sign you're more in tune with most hobby painters than most. Art is always great, but optimization and organization are also critical.
I did this last year with the second wave. The standard paints are excellent and the metallics are good, not amazing but better than citadels. I personally prefer citadels washes but I like the pro acryl better than both. The fact that they have reference charts is also mega handy.
@@Chesterbigwigful@Chesterbigwigful I really like the Pro Acryil as well; I just wish they sold a complete set of them. I am sticking with the Citadel Contrasts until they run out. I have the speed paint from Army Painter, but I don't need to use it yet.
Scott and Jon be like:
You go first!
No you!
No you, I ensist!!!
I just bought the Army Painter Fanatic Complete set a couple days ago, and I've been facing the same conundrum. My collection is far smaller than yours but space is just as precious. Thanks for the video!
I am reluctant to admit you are right about the s75 and the blended Kimera paints. I still like the single pingment kimera paints, but the red and violet are two of my favourtie paints right now.
I love the scale 75 range, y'all are nuts.
The Kimera was crazy to me. I use it all the time and I love them
I bought the base set and I actually hate them 😂 really hard to use for no discernible benefits
@@flowerknight4879 that's too funny. I mix them with each other a ton, thin them with ease, etc. they are my go to paints, but maybe I got a good batch? 🤷
@@Dezkoiisn’t gouache the mutant love child of acrylic and water color paint ? I have some and experimented with them thinking they might be a godsend for wet blending but didn’t find the particularly suited for mini painting. Might be better used on canvas.
When I use them I love them, never had any of the issues Ninjon is describing - mine arrived well mixed and have stayed that way.
I just have the base set. But seeing them ditched broke my heart because I as a beginner slowly upping my game to intermediate level got into them thinking I am getting an upgrade and so I ditched all of my previous paints 😁. I'm not sorry about those (a lot of old army painter crap and some inconsistent old vallejo game colors). But now I wish I would get AK 3rd gen instead.
Culled 90% of my Vallejo Game color line. Gave them to a friend whos starting the hobby. Talking over 100 paints. Recently tried Pro Acryl and cannot now look back... they are excellent and i never find myself fighting them which has lead them to be my primary choice. GW i have plenty that ive already decanted into dropper bottles.... However i now never use them... Id rather mix Pro Acryl colors to get what i need. So that may be culled soon too. Metal Color and Game Ink are the only Vallejo ive got left and will never get rid of. Feels nice to have less clutter of unused paint. Funny this vid should come as this all took place recently for myself. Great vid as always Jon!!
Wow! Army Painter made it to the wall! They have come a long way. I love their stuff!
Ooof, I'd take those scale 75 off ya hands haha. Jokes aside I was surprised on this as I like them. But my vortex mixer solved the coverage issues for me.
I use a vortex mixer too. I wonder if this is why i like them too.
@@matt6387 yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Cuz without the mixer I see what he is talking about
@@adampeterson9171 i got them long after i got my mixer that must be why i am confused by it.
When I see comments like this, I immediately think this is a person that screwed themselves into having to use this product and having to learn how to make it work By purchasing more products. It seems like hubris is getting in the way of intelligence. They are more expensive, they require 2 to 3 additional purchases in the way of shakers, thinners and retardance, and don’t do anything correctly and are no better than other blends that can be mixed with water to work correctly. I think with experience people like you realize it’s not worth the extra hassle and expenditure to get a product to work when there are other products out there there just work.
@@chrisrains6470 they don’t need retardant at all.
suprised that you got rid of the Vallejo paints, everyone seems to love them. But totally understandable reason.
I don't understand all on video because I'm not english fluent, but Vallejo range get old. (like citadel) new range are better, easier to work with (ak 3rd, ttc, contrast).
Vallejo was top tier 10 years ago, but what they do during 10 years ? (Ak and other outsiders work hard)
Well, Vallejo released a new range of Game Color and Xpress Color not so long ago. Ordered a bunch of Xpress bottles and, well, they're quite good, I guess
What I interpreted was that his preferred paints do everything that Vallejo does, and Vallejo offers nothing unique and extra. So they aren’t bad, just don’t stand out enough to keep. I use Vallejo myself for most stuff.
@@blackenthyname9903 Yes only model color get old ( or old game color if you still have it) new range is cool ( even if ak is better for classical acrylics, but their "ak contrast" are bad)
@@azecece1 Vallejo has completely redone the Game Color line, and has announced a new version of the Model Color line. I've got the new game color and it's very nice, but the old game color was as well.
I agree about decanting the Citadel paints to dropper bottles - I've done that once, and I didn't want to do it again... Now when I run out of a Citadel colour, I go straight for AK Interactive counterpart (sometimes it's tricky to get a good match, but it's just time to rip the bandaid off, and gradually get rid of my Citadel paints altogether).
Don’t forget the new two coats line. They were made by one of the best painters Citadel ever lost. They are an exact rip off of the citadel colors. They work better and cost less in a normal sized bottle.
With you on the P3. Amazing paints with some unique colours. I don't mind the pots either, they dont clog like the citadel rubbish.
My only complaint is with the lids. The little flib tab often breaks off the edge, the hinges have been known to fail, and with a few of them, the lid itself has cracked (requiring me to transfer the contents to a dropper bottle)
But the paint itself is great.
For what it's worth, as a novice painter I absolutely love the Army Painter Speedpaints 2.0 line. Especially with my standard Imperial Guard infantry dudes that have a lot of lines and folds and other surface details, I get some awesome shading and detail highlights in a way that I would never be able to replicate by hand at this stage. I think they're fantastic tools for folks like me that are just starting out.
AP speedpaints are the only reason I have painted minis. It is talent in a bottle.
Totally with you on the Scale 75 paints. Love the metallics. The other colors are just goopy and streaky no matter how much I mixed them.
Only used the metallics so far and they are brill... But so are the classic Gamecraft ones. Seems good metallics are quite easy to make.
So I had the exact same problem when I first tried them. I think the mixing is really understated, you have to use agitators and use a vortex mixer. My first lot let me down because they'd been on the shelf so long theyd separated. I use them all the time and none are goopyor streaky
I haven't tried their base range, but I do quite like their Artist Color series, they need more thinning than most hobby paints since they're heavy body acrylics, but they are nice and matte, and cover fairly well.
In my experience, the scale 75 paints are awful for basecoating. But they are great for glazing.
So I do not like the scale 75 metallics. I don't know if it's something I am doing wrong, so in comparison to the Vallejo metal colors, you know they are brush ones, I've not had a good experience. They leave brush strokes they're really thick. And a lot of the colors end up looking just the same with like varying degrees. Any tips would be appreciated
I only have about a half the Citadel contrasts and washes catalog that I'm burning through while focusing on the last two waves of 2TC. 2TC has been great to me and I have enjoyed supporting them as a company. I decanted all my GW paints into droppers last year and I use them less and less as I get use to using the 2TC system.
I started with Reaper and Army painter and now I use mostly vallejo and proacryll for my go to paints.
I sold my whole Scale 75 set last year as I just didn't like them at all. I feel better that I'm not the only one who has felt the same way.
Take ALL the banished paints and mix them together into one, unholy color. Then use it to paint something lol
lol it would be grey.
RIP Privateer Press, P3 was an awesome paint series. I wish they had a broader range of colors, but the company is zombified.
I can't speak for all of Scale 75 but they have an orange that I have absolutely been loving!
Mars orange by any chance? I think they do fine if you have a vortex mixer and a solid minute to use it haha. Caribbean blue and irati green are two s75 colours I struggle to find elsewhere
Looking forward to your video next year where you throw away the new AP Fanatics because they're desaturated and turn gray when you mix them, and the AP Speedpaints because of they way they sometimes crack. Yeah AP stans, I know, I know, those are features, not bugs. My bad. I'm sure Speedpaints 3.0 will be a huge improvement.
I mean, you were talking trash about a company that actually listens to its customers and improves. You can’t say that about any of the other paint line manufactures except for maybe two thin coats coming up.
Hope you didn't actually throw them out as these would be infinitely valuable to many starting painters.
But yeah in the last few years there's been a lot of new paint ranges, most of which are worthy. Not to mention doubling the paint count when considering Contrast and Air Brush variants.
Its always a good day when you get to share some jerky with your doggo!
Well I trimmed down my paint collection recently too. Glad I’m not alone with the anxiety of removing some of your special ones.
You might want to reconsider dropping this sponsor while you are at it.
Why?
@@jamparke a lot of shait going on there. Selling personal information, bad and unqualified therapists etc. etc.
He does not care who sponsors him. He does not even research the companies. That is up to us to figure out. He takes a look at who is offering the most money and sells a fake land dead no problem
This comes at a very perfect time, I'm at a similar place in my hobby life after recently receiving my pre-ordered Fanatic collection and having recently Kickstarted 3 series of Two Thin Coats and Kimera. (Yeah... i got a problem too)
This video was absolute genius. Even the bit about the paints.
ScaleColour Artist range is amazing. Out of the tube perfect.
I have been waiting for this moment for a long time. I only saw you collecting new paints and new paints and new paints and I always asked myself "where does he has that space for all those paints" :D
I did this a couple years ago. All I kept was Scale75 metallics, Scale75 Artist Acrylics, Kimera, Vallejo Fantasy Skintone sets, and contrast.
I replaced my Citadel and Reaper hodgepodge with Pro Acryl and haven't looked back. Picked up Speed-paint 2.0 and am slowly phasing out my Contrast rack. I'm not saying I'll never pick up another paint...but for now I'm enjoying the relative simplicity.
I’ve slowly been replacing my citadel with Vallejo and speedpaints
P3 is still in production. My FLGS carries them and they’re always stocked. My go to are actually P3, S75’s Fantasy range and Proacryl.
I concur fully with every meaty succulent word uttered about Jerkey. Also an exclusive member of the P3 club... Not my main any more, but I still use 'em! The sort of grey/brown bone colours and reds are particularly outstanding.
Once i tried to paint with artists paints & inks, i have never looked back at Vallejo, GW & Army Painter paints. Also, thanks to you, i use more crafts paints & really enjoy them. Especially the darker tones.
Satisfying and cool video. Also helps that your tastes are much like mine, this makes me feel empowered, and gawd knows I need that.
I feel so justified in my paint choices after watching this. If my painting self had an Avatar it would be Ninjon.
The brands I use most are the ones you put away :)
Thanks for the video, very interesting. Looking forward to the “sorry GW, all is forgiven”-video. ;)
Clean out time, nice!
As someone who used p3 forever i love the creamy scale 75 artist series paints that come in tubes.
Great minds and all that! Out with the old - in with the new. 🎉