This is a wonderful video. I saw it when the NYTimes first ran it on their website some 5 years ago and I occasionally remember it and come back to watch it again. It is a beautifully concise commentary on the scroll, taking the entire work into account. It is much more than just a painting, it is a total format in which silk craft, scroll design, ink painting, poetry, calligraphy, and critical commentary are synthesized. It is like a museum in the space of a box.
After now watching it two more times, I have decided to elaborate. The editing deserves special praise. Also, the way the curator looks up and announces his connection to the work at the very end of the video makes such a strong connection. It is inviting you, as a viewer, to consider yourself as part of the scroll's story as well.
I agree! This is such an excellent resource. I've been using it in my art history classes for years. Unfortunately, it's not close-captioned so it's not accessible for all students, and I can't make it mandatory.
Wonderful demonstration of appreciation of ancient Qing court’s work of art! 9 out of 10, subtracting 1 because this gentleman didn’t wear a mask and gloves to protect this particular masterpiece for future viewers centuries to come! Thanks for sharing, though❤️
Shouldn't the curator wear gloves when handling such precious 14th C work of art? And a mask over his mouth would help prevent his saliva from sprinkling onto the ancient scroll when he was talking into it. Just thought those steps would make sense....
It depends on the rules of the museum, nowadays it's very popular not to use gloves because when you wear them you can't feel the paper and there is a bigger possibility to demolish it accidentally.
@@АлександраЕрошенко-в3б disagree, the biggest museums worldwide don't wear gloves though. You have many cotton gloves for metal, textiles and some papers objects. Plenty of synthetic nitrilic ones, and so on. There are a few researches showing this "no gloves conservation philosophy" not only deteriorates the cultural heritage but also increases the chances of being infected by fungus, bacterias, ect. Surprisingly or not, it is one of my topics in my master."ah, don't need to wear glasses, mob-cap, coat and mask". It is the same thought.
couldn't agree more. It's fragile because it has been protected for many years. Maybe not in an appropriate way. But it was just a raw piece of traditional old paper, which couldn't last forever.
I believe the theory is that you can't feel/grip paper (or thin material) as well with gloves on, so there is a greater risk of tearing/damaging the work if you wear gloves.
If the chinese tradition of hand-scrolls is anything like hanging scrolls, then part of keeping them in good condition involves removing and replacing the paper and fabric border around and behind the painting. This why the 14th century painting has an 18th century brocade supporting it. There are parts of a hand-scroll that are designed to weather use over hundreds of years. The traditional/ancient solution to this has been to design the hand-scroll in such a way that those parts can be replaced without damaging the painting.
Practice of benefactors leaving their mark on art works is very divergent from western art norms. I think I may like the idea possibly being conveyed that the relationship between patron and practitioner is a partnership, but may be less pleased if it points to ego-centrism on the part of curators and procurers, who may not have dedicated themselves to the discipline as much as the professional mark marker has. Bear in mind the way that artists of the west often paid homage to their sponsors, was to immortalize them as subject matter in paintings. So no less possible ego-centrism involved there I suppose, Although that still leaves the problem of seeing artist as visionaries and then having visions diluted with such norms
Actually, Qianlong Emperor is widely panned among true connoisseurs of Chinese art (including in today's China) for his sacrilegious and artistry-damaging seals and marks over priceless paintings, calligraphic work and ancient royal porcelain collections (usually from before his time and therefore not commissioned by him). He was a voracious collector during his reign (more than 60 years), but never truly the connoisseur he thought he was. Naturally none of his ministers and confidantes ever wised him up. The irony is that his "marks" are often coveted in the auction market and can spike up a piece's commercial value.
these are also seals. An old painting would be collected by a bunch of holders and nearly every holder would print a seal of their own on the painting, often on the blank space of the painting.
The precaution of wearing gloves when handling old works is now mostly obsolete, with the idea being that wearing gloves makes you lose sensitivity in your fingers, making it more likely that you could damage the material.
I would like to use this video in my classes (I teach community college) but it doesn't have captions. Does anyone know how to contact the NYT RUclips reps to find out about getting this done, or turning on community captioning? I'd be glad to do it myself -- I already made a transcript, but it's not sufficient for ADA compliance. NYT, I know you are a huge, faceless company, but if anyone sees this, please let me know!
I have a early scroll and I have identified it The battle of Mazandaran I'm looking to have someone appraise it can someone give me information on where to send pictures
i have item from Song or Yuan dynasty, Minai Bowl, same style of bowl depicting a lady riding an elephant iran, but different color and 10 pcs of small elephant in circle, can you help me to bring in auction house?
watching such a delicate piece of antique being handled in a careless and brutal manner. Couldn't help wondering how it got to the Met in the first place. Probably and most likely through robbery in a war.
My name is Junjeera Sae Huang,(黄鳳萍) I'm Chinese born Thai. Our family heritage the 2 famous artist Work from Yuan Dynasty (1279-1368) and Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) It was painted on silk and paper. Another is an antique from Ming Dynasty. It’ was Copper(Or Bronze) teapot with a handle and cover. My Great grandfather bought it and passed it to my grandfather when he migrated to Thailand he bought them with him Now my Grandfather is about 93 years old and he passed it to his grandchildren. We were heritage for more than one hundred years. Right now our family decided to sell them. We also would like you to identify the 2 paintings, and the antique for us as well. Hope you can advise us. On the attached file is the picture sample of the painting and the antique. Below,Is some information of Art
First Painting is one of Zhao Meng fu (趙孟頫) 1254-1322 Size was 31x 85 CM (On the attached file ) courtesy name: Zhao Zi' ang / Zi ang (趙子昂 or 子昂 ) Pseudonyms: Songxue (松雪, "Pine Snow") Oubo (鷗波, "Gull Waves") Shui jing-gong Dao-ren (水精宮道人, "Master of the Water Spirits Palace")
Second one is, Xu Wei (徐渭, 1521-1593) 31x 122 CM (On the attached file ) a Ming Chinese painter, poet, calligrapher and dramatist famed for his artistic expressiveness. His courtesy names were Wen qing (文清) , Wen chang (文長). His various pseudonyms include Tian chi Shan ren (天池山人, The Mountain Man of the Heavenly Pond) Qing teng Dao shi (青藤道士, Resident of the Green Vine House). Qing teng lao ren 青藤老人 We looking forward to hearing from your kind feedback. Thank you so much and have a very day to you all ! God bless you
@@zhangchiwang4379from my perspective as a non native speaker, traditional characters actually make much more sense and are easier to remember. Each element of the character gives you a clue to the meaning or pronunciation. But when the characters were simplified, and elements of the character were removed, the logic and meaning was also lost. I find traditional much harder to write, but have an easier time remembering them.
The chinese traded most of their priceless artworks off across the world in order for them to focus more on modern western culture. The imperial family tried to sell their entire collection of priceless art for only 4 million in the early 1910s just before the communists fully took over. Its only now during the 21st century that they want their culture back and are starting to buy back all their art pieces.
This man is unbelievable. Perfect English and Chinese.
This is a wonderful video. I saw it when the NYTimes first ran it on their website some 5 years ago and I occasionally remember it and come back to watch it again. It is a beautifully concise commentary on the scroll, taking the entire work into account. It is much more than just a painting, it is a total format in which silk craft, scroll design, ink painting, poetry, calligraphy, and critical commentary are synthesized. It is like a museum in the space of a box.
After now watching it two more times, I have decided to elaborate. The editing deserves special praise. Also, the way the curator looks up and announces his connection to the work at the very end of the video makes such a strong connection. It is inviting you, as a viewer, to consider yourself as part of the scroll's story as well.
I agree! This is such an excellent resource. I've been using it in my art history classes for years. Unfortunately, it's not close-captioned so it's not accessible for all students, and I can't make it mandatory.
There's something respectful and devotional about the way he presented the scroll . Beautiful.
Indeed. It is the social (and multi-) media of its day. Beautiful and evocative discourse. Artful perhaps.
We should be thankful for having so many experts commenting on RUclips.
What a lovely show of these beautifull and magical art pieces - an amazing experience of a sacred art
I'm surprised that this video gave me lots of information about the ways about scroll paintings. Thank you, Maxwell Hearn and New York Times! 💯
This guy pronounces Chinese words so good!
Thanks Master Hearn for such a wonderful presentation!
Amazing art and culture of a fascinating country
Wow! His Chinese sounds good
Fantastic and amazing and beautiful. Much appreciated . we are just a breath of the universe .
Wonderful demonstration of appreciation of ancient Qing court’s work of art!
9 out of 10, subtracting 1 because this gentleman didn’t wear a mask and gloves to protect this particular masterpiece for future viewers centuries to come!
Thanks for sharing, though❤️
"The impermanence of the universe" I love that.
YOUR Chinese level: MASTER
Shouldn't the curator wear gloves when handling such precious 14th C work of art? And a mask over his mouth would help prevent his saliva from sprinkling onto the ancient scroll when he was talking into it. Just thought those steps would make sense....
It depends on the rules of the museum, nowadays it's very popular not to use gloves because when you wear them you can't feel the paper and there is a bigger possibility to demolish it accidentally.
@@АлександраЕрошенко-в3б disagree, the biggest museums worldwide don't wear gloves though. You have many cotton gloves for metal, textiles and some papers objects. Plenty of synthetic nitrilic ones, and so on. There are a few researches showing this "no gloves conservation philosophy" not only deteriorates the cultural heritage but also increases the chances of being infected by fungus, bacterias, ect. Surprisingly or not, it is one of my topics in my master."ah, don't need to wear glasses, mob-cap, coat and mask". It is the same thought.
couldn't agree more. It's fragile because it has been protected for many years. Maybe not in an appropriate way. But it was just a raw piece of traditional old paper, which couldn't last forever.
I believe the theory is that you can't feel/grip paper (or thin material) as well with gloves on, so there is a greater risk of tearing/damaging the work if you wear gloves.
If the chinese tradition of hand-scrolls is anything like hanging scrolls, then part of keeping them in good condition involves removing and replacing the paper and fabric border around and behind the painting. This why the 14th century painting has an 18th century brocade supporting it. There are parts of a hand-scroll that are designed to weather use over hundreds of years. The traditional/ancient solution to this has been to design the hand-scroll in such a way that those parts can be replaced without damaging the painting.
Such a positive & ambitious nation.
breathtakingly beautiful 👍🏼
WONDERFUL VIDEO. 👍
It is good to see it again 公石
I came as I got link in my class group 🤣🤣
Man it's like we're part of that scroll now too...
ossom it's a beautiful technique.
i like this
Good introduction!
Practice of benefactors leaving their mark on art works is very divergent from western art norms. I think I may like the idea possibly being conveyed that the relationship between patron and practitioner is a partnership, but may be less pleased if it points to ego-centrism on the part of curators and procurers, who may not have dedicated themselves to the discipline as much as the professional mark marker has. Bear in mind the way that artists of the west often paid homage to their sponsors, was to immortalize them as subject matter in paintings. So no less possible ego-centrism involved there I suppose, Although that still leaves the problem of seeing artist as visionaries and then having visions diluted with such norms
Actually, Qianlong Emperor is widely panned among true connoisseurs of Chinese art (including in today's China) for his sacrilegious and artistry-damaging seals and marks over priceless paintings, calligraphic work and ancient royal porcelain collections (usually from before his time and therefore not commissioned by him). He was a voracious collector during his reign (more than 60 years), but never truly the connoisseur he thought he was. Naturally none of his ministers and confidantes ever wised him up. The irony is that his "marks" are often coveted in the auction market and can spike up a piece's commercial value.
Which "western art norms" are the commenter referring to? The Sistine chapel has been constantly re-touched by its owners over the years.
can someone explain the red "symbols" at 2:20 to me? some dont look like letters but more like just symbols.
these are also seals. An old painting would be collected by a bunch of holders and nearly every holder would print a seal of their own on the painting, often on the blank space of the painting.
I’m wondering why he isn’t wearing protective gloves, to better ensure that the painting is protected from whatever oils etc exist on human skin.
The precaution of wearing gloves when handling old works is now mostly obsolete, with the idea being that wearing gloves makes you lose sensitivity in your fingers, making it more likely that you could damage the material.
Doesn't it feel awesome to catch a glimpse of the past? 2023. We are the future
Very beutiful
I would like to use this video in my classes (I teach community college) but it doesn't have captions. Does anyone know how to contact the NYT RUclips reps to find out about getting this done, or turning on community captioning? I'd be glad to do it myself -- I already made a transcript, but it's not sufficient for ADA compliance. NYT, I know you are a huge, faceless company, but if anyone sees this, please let me know!
any luck?🤣
Art by ikrimi naima. Merciiii
I wish I could read the article -_-
Delicate!!
hurts to see him touching it with his bare hands
I have a early scroll and I have identified it The battle of Mazandaran I'm looking to have someone appraise it can someone give me information on where to send pictures
Why did he handle that scroll without wearing protective gloves?
Great! The painting is now covered with tiny dots of his saliva.
I have Japanese Chinese scroll shoki the demon Queller
i have item from Song or Yuan dynasty, Minai Bowl, same style of bowl depicting a lady riding an elephant iran, but different color and 10 pcs of small elephant in circle, can you help me to bring in auction house?
watching such a delicate piece of antique being handled in a careless and brutal manner. Couldn't help wondering how it got to the Met in the first place. Probably and most likely through robbery in a war.
看着这么古老的东西手套都不戴漫不经心就直接开翻，中国的专家都是小心翼翼生怕弄坏，反正是抢来的，不是自家的东西谁会去爱惜呢。
NAME??????
That's craaaaazzzy
i would use gloves when unrolling the scrolls^-^
My name is Junjeera Sae Huang,(黄鳳萍) I'm Chinese born Thai.
Our family heritage the 2 famous artist Work from Yuan Dynasty (1279-1368) and Ming Dynasty (1368-1644) It was painted on silk and paper.
Another is an antique from Ming Dynasty. It’ was Copper(Or Bronze) teapot with a handle and cover.
My Great grandfather bought it and passed it to my grandfather when he migrated to Thailand he bought them with him
Now my Grandfather is about 93 years old and he passed it to his grandchildren. We were heritage for more than one hundred years.
Right now our family decided to sell them.
We also would like you to identify the 2 paintings, and the antique for us as well.
Hope you can advise us.
On the attached file is the picture sample of the painting and the antique.
Below,Is some information of Art
First Painting is one of Zhao Meng fu (趙孟頫) 1254-1322
Size was 31x 85 CM (On the attached file )
courtesy name: Zhao Zi' ang / Zi ang (趙子昂 or 子昂 )
Pseudonyms:
Songxue (松雪, "Pine Snow")
Oubo (鷗波, "Gull Waves")
Shui jing-gong Dao-ren (水精宮道人, "Master of the Water Spirits Palace")
Second one is, Xu Wei (徐渭, 1521-1593)
31x 122 CM (On the attached file )
a Ming Chinese painter, poet, calligrapher and dramatist famed for his artistic expressiveness.
His courtesy names were Wen qing (文清) , Wen chang (文長).
His various pseudonyms include Tian chi Shan ren (天池山人, The Mountain Man of the Heavenly Pond) Qing teng Dao shi (青藤道士, Resident of the Green Vine House).
Qing teng lao ren 青藤老人
We looking forward to hearing from your kind feedback.
Thank you so much and have a very day to you all !
God bless you
Sincerely Yours,
Junjeera Sae Huang （黄凤平）
M: (+66) 918052662
WOW there are so much in one piece of art... It's a rlly wide piece of paper XD
Chinese culture exam brought me here
Gimme the loot, gimme the loot
Superbe
...the upper purity temple....
Kramer says:"Serenity Now!"
Marathi Laguna
Sup class!!! :P
he's been infected by Chinese art addiction lol
Hopefully one day, the whole China will use tranditional Chinese characters instead of Simplified.
It's equivalent to ask people to use Latin instead of English.
Do you think you will be capable to do so?
@@zhangchiwang4379 my friend traditional characters are a writing system, Latin is a language. This is not a fair comparison at all.
@@zhangchiwang4379from my perspective as a non native speaker, traditional characters actually make much more sense and are easier to remember. Each element of the character gives you a clue to the meaning or pronunciation. But when the characters were simplified, and elements of the character were removed, the logic and meaning was also lost.
I find traditional much harder to write, but have an easier time remembering them.
Give it back to China!
The chinese traded most of their priceless artworks off across the world in order for them to focus more on modern western culture. The imperial family tried to sell their entire collection of priceless art for only 4 million in the early 1910s just before the communists fully took over. Its only now during the 21st century that they want their culture back and are starting to buy back all their art pieces.
@@rianmangubat4586 The communists weren't the ones who took over in 1912, China wouldn't be communist until 1949.
This wasn't stolen, it was bought as part of cultural exchange between china and the us, you can see on their website.
Japan’s entire art is based on China, yet this video only has 100k views, check japan
you should wear a glove
agree
Nice art @arkenatube1
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