this video is basically me and a few friends venting our frustrations with the game. i think over all its just kind of a 5 out of ten game that really could use some more content. i hope you enjoy the rambling.
It’s great to hear this perspective and still love playing the game, valid points all around and I can see/feel the flaws but still love the game and generally I think more casual people do. I just hope saber listens to the community and has a major overhaul with systems like damage and armor/heath. They have a decent track record so we shall see the game has only been out a week after all.
I don't necessarily despise the game, but there is something very endearing about surviving suicide missions as the average joe than genetically modified gorillas in power armor.
tbh I thought you guys were actually stuck in a 1hr loading screen and that would have been so hilarious as background to your very legitimate raging. lol
Guns literally tripling in damage as you progress is just completely insane to me. Darktide isn't fully innocent of this, jumping into Malice (first fun difficulty) with a fresh character was also awful but at least in that game you only really suffer against armored enemies, and you can circumvent that with anti armor tools.
Yeah but in Darktide you can level on lower difficulties until you get stronger. In SM2 you need to go up in difficulty to get upgrade materials. The game feels terribly balanced when you are even at the recommended level. I’m 5 levels above recommended with green weapons and tier 3 difficulty feels terrible. Like 9 shots with the Heavy Melta to kill a Chaos Marine. Wut?
It's almost like the leaked build was not year/s old but only 6 months and It's literally the same as the final product(including long loading screens and crashing) Wow and people were saying: "iT's jUsT dEv bUild, it will get better at release" Well guess what In fact it did not get better
literally the only change I could see was that in the dev build you didn't have two AI teammates to clear trash for you and there was no mission select in game.
honestly, I like the SM2 maps more simply because they have a bit more diverse assets than your typical Darktide Iron Fortress. I understand that it's mainly a lore thing that those hive cities basically supposed to all look like this but it's kinda boring after the 10th time. Vermintide also had much more variety when it came to map scenery.
Preordered gold edition, played and wondered what kind of a lunatic decided that having 4 separate binds for melee, shooting,block and aim makes sense for MnK in 2024. But though, dont be a muppet youll get used to it. Then i realised im just doing QTE-s most of the time and just like one of you said "QTE-s in 2024" naaah. Refunded and back to Darktide. Now that i've watched this and seen all the other BS that i didnt get to see im even happier with my choice.
I couldn’t agree more, the difficulty is just enemies having more health(most boring concept ever created), which when you get stronger weapons, balances out. So literally difficulty 4 once you’re maxed just feels like a difficulty 1. Man would be cool to use that swarm generator to face more enemies and feel like an actual space marine. Or ya know, make the enemies behave different in higher difficulties, new boss mechanics, ya know how any other game goes. Idk just do exactly what darktide did Our first difficulty 4 game, where we all had tier 3 weps, we had the armor core and were about to kill the mini boss and we all crashed.
Darktide has excellent Skill expression and Difficulty scaling. loads of builds and weapon options. also Fatshark proved their willing to support and completely Rebuild entire segments of the game. Vermintide 2 is also still fun.
Holy shit after I just finished watching this, RUclips recommends me a members-first Pirate Software video where within the first 60 seconds, Thor is praising the game's progression and claiming it is a feature complete game... HOLY SHIT. Who do I believe??? As much as I love Pirate Software and Thor, I have to respect your opinions, insights and experience with this game Tanner. I'm not buying Helldivers 2 again for 50% more money with 50% less content.
I'll go through evrything wrong with thors video on spm2 right here for you point by point. feature complete??? What feature is complete? The campaign with its cliffhanger and 6 hrs of content? The pve with six missions? The Pvp with 3 maps? No bugs, only minor ones??? Did this guy not get stuck in a loading screen, or shit through a floor? How about getting hard locked on objectives, or crashing constantly? How about having to task manager to close the game?? "mountainous progression" hrs in and not 1 lvl 25? Simply because progression is taking you a long time doesn't mean it's good. It's also insane to me that it takes that long. People have had all classes at max for awhile now at this point. Wtf has he been doing? muh roadmap "it's really good" "bonkers" Completely grazes over the fact that the season 1 "content" like priv lobbies and ultra wide support should have been there before the game even came out. Actually acts like it's just "more content" Talks about season two. Says more missions is good. Yes, if they are good missions. The missions currently in the game don't really scream good game design though, and if the missions are a slog no one will do them and it might as well have never been added. Talks about difficultly 5, "lethal". Says he's still stuck on difficultly 3 THIRTY HOURS IN lol. I think that says enough about his understanding of the game. I don't think he realizes the only difference between the difficulties is enemy hp. Difficulty 4 is not hard. The enemies just have alot of health. Tanner Lindberg here beat it decently easy with white weapons and basically no perks on the class or gun. Difficulty 5 will just be another health increase. Amazing. Grazes over the new weapon, because no one really cares and if it isn't good then it doesn't matter. Thinks new enemy means new enemy faction. He is REALLY just seeing what he wants to see in the roadmap and not what it actually says. In no way does new enemy insinuate an entire new faction. It means a new mini boss or something of the sort. Forgets to mention that one or two new pvp maps in a year when there is only 3 at launch is not a good look for the amount of content planned for a live service. Prestige system is probably alright, depending on how they do it. If it's poorly implemented then no one will even interact with it. Should have been in the game at launch as well. Battle barge expansion, whatever that means. Reads out season 4, which is a year from now. A horde mode, a new gun, and a new enemy. Then states it's a shitload of content. Two new guns in a year? Two pvp map? Like 3 poorly designed missions? Not they are specific in the numbers of course. Three new extremis enemies most likely? Horde mode? Does it take a year to just make an endless loop of the last area in mission one? Games used to LAUNCH with content like this and it was the STANDARD. They are feeding you SHIT and expecting you to good "mmmm, yum!" He genuinely thinks the game has a ton of content right now, which is hilarious. One campaign which without cutscenes is like 4 hours. No reward for doing it on anything above easy. A pve mode with 6 missions at launch. Six. You can play through all of them in one play session, and in order to max any classes you will be playing them dozens of times each. It gets old. Very fast. The missions aren't even that complex or long. 3 PVP MAPS. THREE. WITH HORRIBLE BALANCE. AND THREE MODES. Acts like it's a triumph for modern games with it's 100 deluxe edition, early access, buggy launch, terrible balance with no content and shitty roadmap. Really breaking the mold. If this game wasn't 40k it would be dead in the water. Literally Concord level of mid. Somehow thinks that the media doesn't like space marine? Like he is in the minority for liking it? This is the same guy who loved helldivers until it had a PR nightmare and didn't want to be associated with liking it anymore btw. He will shit on valorant, one of the most competitive games on the market with THE best anti cheat for having kernel level access, but I guess it was cool when helldivers did it lol. What a trend riding corporate bootlicker. I guess saying things confidently in RUclips shorts is all you need for people to like you now. What a disaster youtube has become.
The only bug I had on PS5 was a camera glitch during an execution. No going through floors, no hard locked objectives, no crashes at all. Load times have been totally fine on an SSD. Campaign didnt end on a cliffhanger, it ended on a "where will the story go next?" - totally different. I will say progression in PVP is pretty damn slow though, and there are really weird hit detection issues at times, and I will agree balancing needs to happen - it's very much rock-paper-scissors and sometimes its a hard fucking rock that there is nothing you can do about it (looking at you Bulwark and your invulnerability)
Thor is genuinely a moron. And seen as kind of a lolcow outside of like normie circles. 90% of his takes are horrifically bad they are just tailored to sound good in the context of a youtube short
@@TannerLindberg he's actually, funny enough, a perfect example of "game dev sentiment = how good the game is" normies love him, and his game has insanely positive reviews. His game isn't good. But they like thor so they give it a positive review. It's staggering how many reviews just state such. If he groomed a minor or something the game would get overwhelming bad reviews. Game is still the same. It was always bad. It's just marketing. How many people actually play through games with a critical eye nowadays before reviewing? None really. If other people like it, they do and vice versa. All marketing bs.
I feel so validated now. I knew I wasn't the only one who felt like the melee combat awful. This clunky-ass button mash system paired with low damage outputs really makes you realize how much smoother and in-depth the melee combat is in Darktide as opposed to SM2.
Since there's plenty comments I don't know if it was mentioned before, but regarding the Marine's death during the traitor guardsmen scene: I've seen a different version of that scene, and I'm not sure if this has to do with the game's official release vs the early access people got, but in that other version the Primaris has a different helmet (red and white) and after the explosion you can see a piece of metal sticking out of his eye. The death and blood are because a piece of metal pierced through his visor, right through his eyeball and into his brain (which also explains the blood). Now, I don't know if it's even lore-plausible that a piece of sharpnel could get past that specific part of the helmet, but the odds of that happening seem so extremely low that it feels even more nitpicky to point out the actual cause of death than any of the reasons why a marine could easily survive a point blank explosive.
I’d rather have WAY more enemies that were made less tanky than the bullet sponges they have now. Executions need to be sped up too IMO. The load screens are insane too I agree.
gamers continuing to show the industry we don't actually give a shit about gameplay and will just instabuy the flashiest and most marketed game of the season.
It’s a sequel to a cult classic from the PS3 era that people have been hyped about for two years. Don’t be so pretentious, no one on RUclips is going to think you’re cool.
I just want something to fill the hole in me that Mass Effect 3 multiplayer left. On an unrelated note Tanner, idk if it’s your cup of tea but I’d highly recommend buying and playing through the Dawn of War games if you like RTS (DOW 3 doesn’t exist) and want more from the setting of 40K that’s actually good
@@Marzellus1991 Same dude, I played it religiously for a long time, still never got all the weapons or their upgrades, the black widow continues to elude me to this day LMAO, people still play it though! At least on Xbox, I actually redownloaded it and launched it on my series X and played a few rounds earlier and got a full lobby by the time the 4th wave rolled around.
@@bubbajoe117 Didn't even know people still played it that's cool. Andromeda left a hole in me on how much they screwed up that game. I never got Black Widow past IX cause the rng just wouldn't let me max it or the super rare guns. Acolyte pistol became my bread and butter when they introduced the Collectors into the multi. God i miss this trilogy. I wish with the remaster they brought the multiplayer back i be religiously on it right now.
3x Primaris sent over to operation to kill over 100 Thousand Sons - My ChArAcTeR fEeLs NoT pOwErFuL The setting is specifically set up in against the odds of Primaris Marines. The fact that they can win any of the operations the way people do is absolutely ridiculous but hey, Ultramarines I guess. Anyways, you cannot possibly be more powerful than this in Warhammer 40k, what do you want, be able to defeat Magnus one on one?
@@Pitax125friend you actually missed the point by fucking miles we dont talk about feeling powerful lore wise its a hack amd slash game obviously you need to bend the lore to actually make a fun game its just gameplay wise you feel weak as shit higher difficulty's it is basically required to constantly roll minoris enemies tear thought your power armor like butter to actually feel powerful you need to play the game as it was not intended otherwise your gonna be dead on the first encounter on ruthless difficulty it needs some serious rebalancing especially melee
@@grimreaper5004 you do sound as ridiculous as the toilet sitters. The higher difficulty is only hard to either console players or people who cannot put in two buttons at the same time. Literally learn how to perfect dodge, parry, gunstrike - master up your builds and perks before 4th diff and you will see massive improvements. I doubt half of the people here even use objective traps to gain massive advantage at some maps or actual class mechs. The only thing I'd personally have any objections with are shooting enemies having more damage than they should. Thats it. Get better and stop whining, game is fun to master. Son if you'd be born with that mentality at the years of starcraft broodwar you'd be absolutely mentally broken.
Found your channel today. Lots of great takes. What resonated with me was when you talked about how awful Hold the Ground is. I played that mode today and it was one of the worst experiences. Sticking to Seize for now as that one seems the most interesting.
Huge 40k fan here. I paint and build the miniatures and play the table top. Love 40k. But this game??? Meh at best. It's the same old game I've already played a hundred times before over the last 20 years. It's basically Dynasty Warriors meets Gears of War. Nothing new. Nothing innovative. It's just a 40k skin slapped onto a game that has been rehashed over and over again. Waste of my money. 3 days of having the game and I'm ready to just go back to painting models. If you really want a good 40k game, then go get DAWN OF WAR and the expansions.
Armor restoration can currently be done with multimelta, it could be brought to all melee weapons. Every kill reduces armor recover time. This is in the weapons perk. So instead of the garbage perks they have, they could change them for this, for damage reduction, for health regen, for stun, etc
My favorite part of the game is when I try to exit the game and walk away, only to come back 20 mins later to see its hard locked and my computer is about to catch fire. I have to use Task Manager to close it, every. time. Whoever designed this game MESSED UP.
Example how unfinished this game is 1. Massive connection issues 2. Loading times are suuuuper long despite requiring a M.2 3. Infinite Loading screen BUGS 4. Matchmaking bugs and issues 5. No mouse settings beyond 1 sensitivity. 6. No FOV or ultra-wide (you can actually tell that ultra wide should be working because you can see pings markers over the black bars so to make the game 16:9 they just shoved black bars on your screen) 7. Enemies able to shoot through walls 8. Game crashes
All these are simply bugs that can be fixed with a single patch and or minor things that can be adjusted. Really don’t see why you would use this as an example.
So your saying that aim sensitivity and massive loading times, lack of settings in general, a matchmaking system that does not matchmake when it should, enemies shooting through walls are not things they could have seen and finished before release and are NOT half baked? You are actually retarded.
@@llGreyll.the point was this games unfinished 😭 and your response is “these can all be fixed at a later time” you’re literally proving his point still
@@Indy2109 If you’re going to quote me, do it right. I don’t see anywhere that I said at a later time, I stand by my point entirely. A single patch could fix everything he said, a patch that could be dropped within the first week or two of release. None of this indicates a game being unfinished, most games if not all drop with bugs. Skyrim was a nightmare yet it wasn’t received with hate like you people try to do with every game now. Nothing is good enough anymore for you kids, it’s sad.
@@llGreyll. a patch implies a later time, which could also lead to them never being fixed. And these aren’t just small bugs these are major issues that causes the game to be unplayable for people, if you tried to start Skyrim and instead of loading in it just gives you a infinite loading screen would you still continue to play the game? Same with the connection issues the game has. First player impressions are a big part for if a games lifespan continues or not. After that dlc content. It shouldn’t be buggy game first then updates to fix said buggy game then dlc content
Tanner you saved myself and several friends $70 a piece. I was iffy from the get go and what gameplay I did see wasn't that complex or compelling. Have a friend who purchased it and said "Meh my kid likes it, but Darktide has better gameplay."
After watching this whole video, I have to say it’s so refreshing to see genuine gamers who actually understand the game they’re talking about go over its shortcomings in detail. I’m so sick of all the trend riding and lukewarm fence riding half baked takes of the major RUclipsrs. It’s just nice to hear actual gamers who know what they’re talking about speak their mind.
Nobody is claiming its a perfect game, or that its feature rich. It is pretty barebones... But its given me 100+ hours of a good time, thats all i ask from the games i buy. The lore is great, the foundations are strong for future releases.
I’ve played 80 hours and half of it was boring as fuck. I’d rather play helldivers 2 or deep rock. Or even cod. This game is at least more fun than wwz
It's a nice time sink till something interesting gets an update or comes along, if that season 2 update isn't substantial, which I doubt it will be, it won't last till the end of the month. On top of that, horde mode not being in there till next year is a huuuuge turn off
Headshots feel like only a 50% increase rather than double- but even with that, being good at Bolt pistol 9 damage becomes 13.5 which you can spam at the relatively static enemies, outdoing the power sword’s 11… without the 0.5 second animation windup between swings… from 30’ away…. So in 2 seconds you get 4 bolt pistol headshots for 54 damage or swing power sword twice for 22 damage… if you have less aim, and hit 3 bolt pistol shots at torso…. Still 27 damage in that same 2 seconds… VS 22 from sword. I think tripling Melee damage is in order… or better yet, Double the Base melee damage. Then triple every situational melee perk/ class buff for melee. (Example: Give Assault a Perk called… idk, *RECIPROCITY:* on perfect Dodge you deal +75% melee damage and for 10 seconds)
matchmaking is terrible, weapon viability is trash - most classes are useless without melta, health and armour system is just plain bad. 100hrs in operations and am completely over the game there is just so many terrible design choices that i doubt will ever be fixed. 5/10 at best
If they create other opportunities to regain armor it would help a lot. Competing with players for armor regen, walking across the battlefield to do an execution and watch an animation I’ve seen over and over, it’s horrendous game design.
@@J.B.1982 they need to rework the armor system into something similar to darktides toughness system, a hit from a trash mob takes an entire chunk of armor, while that is happening you're being peppered from all angles by trash mob range enemies and there is no consistent way to prevent damage / regen armor and/or health unless you just dodge roll for minutes at a time, praying you dont go down. positional play is non existent because spawns are so over the top and seemingly unfair that it doesn't matter which enemy you target first, 99% of the time the game will just spawn more range units behind you like 40 meters away and you're back at square one. it's super frustrating.
@@Jack-d7i I’ve noticed that too and yeah, similar to Darktide would be great. I’m on break from that game currently. Lol. Killing an elite without the execution should give you an armor or even half an armor. That’s an easy addition. More perk options too.
Space Marine 2 is just a shitty reskin of their last game, World War Z. It is literally the same game except you have a power armour skin and the hoards are far less fun to fight agaisnt. You as a Space Marine, have the same survivability as the regular people you played as in that game. They didn’t even bother to change their formula to reflect that you're a super soldier in power armour.
Yea you are a super soldier in power armour but a lot of things we fight in the game lore wise, could kill space marines pretty easily. Hell you would need so many space marines to even take on a Hive tyrant. hive tyrant would kill space marines like nothing. The thousands sons marines can take you on too, especially their psykers are known to be very strong in lore. You would be a normal soldier compared to a lot of things in this game.
@@leejones4429 The lore is inconsistent on this. Sometimes genestealers can easily defeat terminators and other times the Blood Angels can successfully fight a Hive fleet controlled by the hive mind itself. Since the devs got to choose they should have chosen the power fantasy.
@@mintyfresh7867 I'd argue Russianbadger and Bricky have done more for the Warhammer 40K community than everyone else combined, especially for Space Marine.
this is pretty much what the first game was like. like most people i got the first one when it had been out for 6 months. so a 10 hour campaign that was as fun as that one was seemed pretty solid for $30/15. tbf, back then only CoD and battlefield games released with all the hype and everything else was more word of mouth. i don't think the first one was marketed to well either so it took like 6 months for people to even know it existed and it was already cheap.. now every game releases to hype and dies in a month, and expectations have shifted a ton. im sure SM2 will be a good deal at $20 like the first one was though
I’ve been saying the same thing the game is overpriced for what it provides. If this was like a $40 game on launch i wouldn’t criticize as much for how little playtime it can offer
@@GeniusI2_3 i mean if publishers think they could get $100 a game they would do that. they can get away with the prices now because people feel like if they don't buy the game the first month of release they might as well not buy it at all. i certainly felt that way when i was 16 and i couldn't resist anyways. but now its not a problem for me to wait a year or two. when you get older your perception of time changes drastically, particularly after high school and you stop measuring time by school years and instead 'recent' means anything in the past 5 years.
@@GeniusI2_3 preordering was pretty dumb.. idk what the bonus was but they are never worth it and 90% of the time you don't even use whatever it was. but i don't blame you on trying to hope something will click me and everyone i know mostly playing 10+ year old games
The progression is going to get worst, much worst. Just wait for the prestige system when the upgrades get even stronger and you have to start from level 1 multiple times just to max out your kit..
@@Foneio It's MW call of duty's progression but instead of getting emblems you reset your rank and a lose your current gear and grind back to the max rank again to unlock more upgrades or class perks. Look at world war z the games progression system. It greatly increases the grind needed to reach a classes full potential.
Tbh I didn't mind the grind in wwz. Although the game felt much better to play and had more depth in how you could setup to defend swarms. Not to mention the perks actually felt meaningful in nuanced ways. Hearing that the enemies in the bug swarms approaching the all in this game are fake kind of turned me off completely from this game. Idk if this is how it worked in wwz but I'm pretty sure it didn't. You could hold some swarms off without a single zombie getting in with a good team.
I dont mind the prestige system and the grind i actually think is a bery good idea in a game like this and you constantly stive to improve BUT the perks better be worth it and actually make me feel like A POWERFUL VETERAN SPACE MARINE and not give me a 5% Melee boost for grinding 25 lvls
@grimreaper5004 lol they're gonna have to make some pretty good perks and buff the bolter guns. I really wish I could use them and not get stomped. Tbh I hope the nerf the melta into the ground so they're forced to fix the rest of the game.
See this is why I like your systems-first approach to game critique. No idea why so many people who play video games for a living are so allergic to making this kind of criticism and instead lean into the flavor of the month glazing nonsense that contributes to the cycle of unfinished, unpolished, and unoptimized games being released.
Im an hour and a half in, hoping you bring up the "special edition" that lets you access the game a day or two early for +50% of the base cost of an already expensive game. There's a concerning lump that's waiting to explode into a cancer, right there. Soon it'll be a week, and then it'll be a month delay if you buy the standard edition, mark my words. Peak masculine gaming, we are so back bros.
the riding on helldivers 2 is crazy i love doing the same 3 missions over and over again with the same objectives while also being cockteased about an apparent 3rd enemy type that never appears in the game its quite fun overall helldivers 7/10
music and voice acting dont make a game they only add to it. you can turn them both off and not lose much the fact those 2 things are the first and only things you mention as good speak volumes to how bad the game is
There are issues most definitely, but this first patch could be huge (emphasis on huge). Also if you guys feel strongly about your critiques there’s always that developer FAQ submission thing. This isn’t to dismiss anyone but if we want the game to better we gotta at least try to help the devs
Bro I completely agree. Games mid at best just cause the campaign was good 9/10. The rest of the game is garbage 1 of 10. Load times, error codes. Lack of shit to do. Terrible matchmaking, the worse. I returned my copy on Xbox series x after a week and said my kid bought it without my permission and got my money back lol.
This time around he wanted to show off more of how he goes about judging the game, rather than his approach with helldivers 2 where he only just talked about it.
As for the wacky culture war vids I’d say it’s either rage bait or just a continuous back and forth sorta like if people got mad at stellar blade or tries to cancel someone for nothing/past actions it’s a cycle of hate or complaints that goes on for years
Chaos space marines are supposed to be tougher since they have an invulnerable save on tabletop, that being said, the damned tzaangors with shields.... no way. They should be able to tank nothing more than a pistol shot. The rubric marines have better armor, better guns on tabletop. This was well represented, but it was brought to an absurd level.
For me, this game is basically the mid as fuck gears of war rip off from 2008 but then again the first SM1 was exactly the same. All i wanted from the sequel is to have that but on a modern level of quality. Should it be that way? Probably not. It's not balanced, the progression is both unsatisfying and slow, the talents are mostly bad so there is no real build making, there isnt a lot of maps or weapons etc. And yet this is still one of the best 40k action games, and the best space marine action game. It brings nothing new to the gaming landscape but i didnt want anything new, i wanted the old done in a way that looks nice and feels nice, and more or less they did that. With how much money it made im sure it can only get better overtime but it will never compete with the likes of darktide in terms of sheer replayability - but it does not have to.
It's probably the best space marine power fantasy you can get at the moment despite the game's many flaws. If they made melee stronger, movement faster and executions quicker, armor more durable and enemies less tanky I'd be addicted. Or at the very least, make sprinting in the battle barge faster, like ffs...
Why do people say it's like Gears of War? I too read that one article before the game came out, but I do have see the resemblance, there is over the shoulder 3rd person, and there are chain swords, the Lancer you can chainsaw any man sized enemy or lower at any time, you can't do that in SM2, only finishers. There is no cover system in SM2, so there is no wall bouncing (would be kind of sick of there was), so I don't get it, feels like because one person said it, people are trying to connect the dots
i wish there was more variation in maps, like in darktide or minecraft dungeons, where rooms could be changed, same with events, as much as i despise payday 2, i gotta give props to its ingame events, they felt unique and sometimes impactful, you had to actually play around them, in shadow raid, for example, midway through guards or an artifact spawn that affect how you'll play. This game just doesn't have the necessary variation to feel replayable beyond the first playthrough.
I don't have much to say about the campaign and the PvE since I've been waiting to play that with my bf but I've been playing a tonne of the PvP in the meantime. I agree that Assault audio is fucking bad at best and nonexistent at worst. Disregarding that... anyone saying that Assault is bad in PvP is a moron. Just takes using more than the 2 braincells that the average person has and that will likely be the case even if they change the audio. Also AcTuAlLy ground slam doesn't one shot even with Thunder Hammer, it just sets up a follow up hit 99% of the time which may as well be a one shot since you're stunned after being pounded owo. Vanguard is either a force multiplier in team fights or plays like a counter flanker since they can win 1v1s against snipers and heavies pretty easily. I think the clips you showed of "fun and engaging gameplay" followed by abysmal scoreboards proved that lmao. They struggle in fair or disadvantaged team fights as an exchange though so bad players can still contribute but good players can't excel. Honestly seems like bad game design but you gotta have a role for the casuals I suppose. I disagree on stuff like weapon bloom since depending on the weapon you can still get consistent hits with sustained fire within their effective range. After giving stuff like the Heavy Bolt Rifle a chance I'd say that it gives each of them a niche instead of just taking the highest DPS weapons in all scenarios. The shock grenade needs a nerf or needs to be split into 2 different grenades because yeah it's obviously the best grenade in the game, impact detonation, blind, slow and a dot? Universally useful grenade and in a week everyone will be using that unless they have a niche strategy with Melta bombs. Bonus points for letting a class with 99% invisibility and a blistering fast ttk smg take it because how could that go wrong? Bulwarks are insane and I can't really disagree with anything that you're saying about them lmao. Block needs to break under fire after sometime because yeah currently they're just a wall that can be fully exposed and the second you ignore them they kill you because pistols are pretty good in PvP. The 3 player teams need to go. No reason why I can't queue up with at least 6 people. Teams need to shuffle every match if for no other reason than I want to see my loyalist drip instead of being locked into lame ass re-coloured heretics every round. Private lobbies would be great and it's baffling that the game didn't launch with them. I still like the PvP at the end of the day. Been having alot of fun with it overall despite it's flaws. Kinda "if everything is broken nothing is" scenario imo but there's obviously a tonne of room for improvement. I hope it does improve and become a little more balanced but if not then oh well. I didn't buy it myself so no skin off my back lmao.
Game's 5/10 and without the GW franchise behind it, would be classified as one step above barely playable slop. It'll still make its money back purely on hype, but no one's going to be buying their overpriced DLC or Season passes or crap so they can festoon their shoulderpad with one additional skull while teleporting bullet sponges spawn by the thousands.
Bruh the Primarchs did not ethnically cleanse their homeworld lol. There was some lore where Sanguinius geneseed turned Baal natives (swarthy dudes from an irradiated desert shithole) into gold haired femboys like Sang himself but this hasn't been a hard and fast rule ever , aside from baked in geneflaws.
@@TannerLindberg Yes you're wrong bro, like I said Space Marines becoming mini-me versions of their Primarch was a sometimes thing. Plenty of ugly Blood Angels without blonde hair. Ultramar is a big ass region of space called "the 500 worlds" which the UM recruit from. GWs actual motives aside it's easy to say at least 1 has blacks or asians on it and Guilliman's genesperm didn't bleach them. Who knows maybe Gadriel started with brown eyes lol.
If you remove the WH lore it’s objectively mid, if not bad. I’m pretty sure the video game industry is a big money laundering scheme. How this game made it out the door like this is beyond me.
About the thousand sons, they really should have more about them in game like having them talk more instead of killing another named marine for effect lol, imurah was the only one carrying.
might come back in a year. I had alot of fun playing the brainless PVP but holy shit is it not finished. like nothing in this game is finished or completely thought out so PVP stands out because you're playing against players instead of an enemy that was made by the game designers
@@TannerLindberg Maybe I didn't phrase that right, I'm agreeing with you, and loving the video. It's lame as fuck that I can't play a (shitty) portion of the game with my friends. Why the hell is that restriction even there? Like you say, they have these garbage mechanics to try and... what, level the playing field? Then we can't even play together so it's pointless anyway.
Yeah this game feels like a generic sci fi game from the previous decade with a 40k skin, as a 40k fan since the Dawn of War 1 pc games this game lore wise is a travesty, space marines bitching at each other and trying to kill their superior without repercussions is insulting to me when in lore a scout taking a shot without permission from a superior was literally lobotomised to be a servitor for that. It was marketed towards the call of duty/normie crowd especially with the campaign. Marines don't even move properly, they move too slowly like they're regular men in armour and I'm not even going to bother talking about the primaris thing, regular marines had far more character and primaris exists just for army rebuys. The Tyranids wouldn't just die after the hive tyrant gets killed, they would just revert to an animalistic state after that psychic link is broken, they would still be dangerous, and the Thousand Sons wouldn't villainously monologue like a moustache twirling supervillain, they're known for making complicated plots, coming in, getting what they want and fucking off. 99% of the player base won't stay for this game past a few months, this game feels 40k in visuals and the tone of the campaign, but the writing is dog shit call of duty campaign. Wasn't worth the purchase tbh, and this game was delayed to release from a year ago, i shudder to imagine what the state of this game was a year ago and where the attention was going for development.
This game does everything a modern game does.... expensive, launched with a bunch of bugs.... not complete. No What your describing is actually games since the beginning of gaming itself. Every major game including the most legendary ones, have all been; less content on release in comparison to 1-2 years post release. Every one of those have had bugs which have needed fixing. And every single one of those have cost 60-70-80+ raising with current day inflation. I used to pay 60+ for games in the 90's also.
Thanks Tanner & frens, I deeply appreciate the coverage you've done and I listened to most of your SM2 streams, definitely feel justified in my skepticism about the game. Also I agree with you about the culture war slop about the alphabet mafia, that's low IQ pot stirring that shouldn't affect intelligent decisions about gaming or politics. There are more serious things afoot, and I agree just because a person happens to check certain boxes doesn't automatically mean they're going to write political propaganda or be bad at a job (despite probability and previous examples, it's always #notall).
I don't think your average reddit lobotomite is in the headspace to receive feedback like this at the moment. Wait for saber to have some pr fuck up then post it. Then people will act like that's what they thought the whole time.
@n1ght7ngale There's actually a decent amount of posts criticizing Weapon and class balance , matchmaking etc.... But I doubt the devs even see that . Only youtube and the forum will get seen
1:27:28 Another thing on this lol. As an Assault you have 3 jumps, which is essentially 3 regenerating frag grenades (because they insta-kill sometimes, as you mentioned earlier). On my first Capture and Control video, there's a timestamp 4:32 where the enemy team has the objective locked down. No contest. Bulwarks, heavies, tacticals, vanguard. They own the objective, my team cannot get in. What happens? I jump in 3 times, I get like 2 or 3 kills, and 2 kill assists, and while I die my team swoops in and takes easy kills on everyone left in. Capture and Control has basically NO balance. All the OP stuff can swing the fight in seconds, and there's almost no counterplay unless if you have wallhax I suppose. YOU CANNOT EVEN HEAR MY JUMP COMING
I just checked. I get 2 instant kills from 1 JUMP. 1 JUMP = 2 INSTANT KILLS you cannot respond to. Your only option is to duck out of cover and be mowed down by my team instantly. And that's if you hear or see me coming. I got 1 more kill from my last jump. Sure, I died, but I took literally the entire enemy team out in a position they couldn't be forced out of by any other class single-handedly within seconds.
The 60's ? Tf u talking about my dude. 80's u mean. Yea melee is absolute crap, it needs to get fixed and balanced out. Thats for sure. That is a solid criticism, but it needs better ideas to fix, not just "get back armor". Maybe some damage reduction, more stun with concussive weapons such as hammers and fists. More armor breaking with those weapons as well. Armor penetration for blades and force weapons. And or massive cleave for chainswords. Yeah action cancellation on melee hits needs to happen. For sure. And less load up actions, which get disrupted by every enemy. The gun strike needs to get invincibility like the execution. That will fix everything.
1:40:00 I thought it was a cache of Melta Bombs because that’s the only mental leap that gave sense to death with Any residual Fire damage. That only made sense to me cuz I killed myself with a melta bomb on my first run of operations. So from my, Non-Warhammer-fan COD casual POV: a melta cache made in-game logic sense but it was still a LAME DEATH scene. Woulda been more sensible and Grimdark if the Astartes came in, instantly intuit the trader. No Dialogue: play all of Chairon’s reactions as a slow motion 0.25 a second of zooming around, noticing the tattoo on a guy 120’ away on a balcony and the uneasy posture and a hyper zoom to a beat of sweat. Hard Cut Lietenant NPC guy starts shooting, sharp cut to the other Astartes shooting (as shown in the original, without a Titus announcement). The level continues as normal and then cutscene of the Melta Cache, the NPC up front and BOOM the ENTIRE CATHEDRAL FALLS and as the character Bust out of the Rubble- there lies the melta scorched body of the NPC guy only cuz he was at the heart of the explosion! Cooler spectacle, more faithful… hopefully
this video is basically me and a few friends venting our frustrations with the game. i think over all its just kind of a 5 out of ten game that really could use some more content. i hope you enjoy the rambling.
i love the rambling
It’s great to hear this perspective and still love playing the game, valid points all around and I can see/feel the flaws but still love the game and generally I think more casual people do. I just hope saber listens to the community and has a major overhaul with systems like damage and armor/heath. They have a decent track record so we shall see the game has only been out a week after all.
As said in a longer response I made under: they should take note of Fatshark's work on V2 or DT to balance their game in melee or range direction.
All valid points. I still love the game but I am all for the devs making improvements.
@@be.a.7462well worth it the game just needs some polishing in a few areas
The more worked up you get, the more I feel like I'm listening to a character on South Park laying in to Cartman.
I feel more powerful playing as a reject than a guy in a power armor
isnt that right!!! SM2 combat SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSS
Been saying this since day 1. How do I feel more powerful as a guardsman than I do as Space Marine.
I don't necessarily despise the game, but there is something very endearing about surviving suicide missions as the average joe than genetically modified gorillas in power armor.
It's because like with Gears of War...I don't feel connected to the combat. It feels remote. Somehow Helldivers avoids this
@@kneecaps2000Yea in Gears the combat felt way better and rewarding to commit on any action
tbh I thought you guys were actually stuck in a 1hr loading screen and that would have been so hilarious as background to your very legitimate raging. lol
So much hype, can’t take anyone serious anymore
Guns literally tripling in damage as you progress is just completely insane to me. Darktide isn't fully innocent of this, jumping into Malice (first fun difficulty) with a fresh character was also awful but at least in that game you only really suffer against armored enemies, and you can circumvent that with anti armor tools.
i just did t4 difficulty as a level 4 and did perfectly fine
I remember playing a fresh ogryn on malice and killing maulers would take me so long I started boxing them on sight
Rock meet heratic@@isopodspouse
Yeah but in Darktide you can level on lower difficulties until you get stronger. In SM2 you need to go up in difficulty to get upgrade materials.
The game feels terribly balanced when you are even at the recommended level.
I’m 5 levels above recommended with green weapons and tier 3 difficulty feels terrible. Like 9 shots with the Heavy Melta to kill a Chaos Marine. Wut?
Darktide is amazing, SM2 is nothing.
It's almost like the leaked build was not year/s old but only 6 months and It's literally the same as the final product(including long loading screens and crashing)
Wow and people were saying: "iT's jUsT dEv bUild, it will get better at release"
Well guess what
In fact it did not get better
literally the only change I could see was that in the dev build you didn't have two AI teammates to clear trash for you and there was no mission select in game.
Only RealAsianRobot can save SM2 now, it's gg
The operations maps replay feel bad, it feels like the same map every time. Darktide maps actually feel like they change
honestly, I like the SM2 maps more simply because they have a bit more diverse assets than your typical Darktide Iron Fortress. I understand that it's mainly a lore thing that those hive cities basically supposed to all look like this but it's kinda boring after the 10th time. Vermintide also had much more variety when it came to map scenery.
I’m just pissed of that we didn’t get that sweet deathwatch drip from the opening cinematic
This actually bothers me
Preordered gold edition, played and wondered what kind of a lunatic decided that having 4 separate binds for melee, shooting,block and aim makes sense for MnK in 2024. But though, dont be a muppet youll get used to it. Then i realised im just doing QTE-s most of the time and just like one of you said "QTE-s in 2024" naaah. Refunded and back to Darktide. Now that i've watched this and seen all the other BS that i didnt get to see im even happier with my choice.
I needed this. I'm sick of the incessant glazing over this mid game.
I couldn’t agree more, the difficulty is just enemies having more health(most boring concept ever created), which when you get stronger weapons, balances out. So literally difficulty 4 once you’re maxed just feels like a difficulty 1. Man would be cool to use that swarm generator to face more enemies and feel like an actual space marine. Or ya know, make the enemies behave different in higher difficulties, new boss mechanics, ya know how any other game goes. Idk just do exactly what darktide did
Our first difficulty 4 game, where we all had tier 3 weps, we had the armor core and were about to kill the mini boss and we all crashed.
Instead they chose cheap qtes and rubber banding instead. its so lazy.
kinda hard to hear when talking over each other and at different mic volumes.
Why does every Warhammer game in existence have the most god awful half baked launches in existence?
Bro this games launch is pretty damn good compared to how most games launches nowadays
Average videogame doomer
@@be.a.7462 yes
@@Dubulcle hell yes
*why does every game* I think it's more correct
Darktide is just more compeling and fun for me to play and I dont get bored of it. SM 2 feels like I would get bored very fast
Darktide has excellent Skill expression and Difficulty scaling. loads of builds and weapon options. also Fatshark proved their willing to support and completely Rebuild entire segments of the game. Vermintide 2 is also still fun.
On my RTX40-something
I can AltF4… but it takes 30 seconds of *loading quit?*
Real strange
This is the only game I've ever played that slows down my xbox when its running in the background.
Holy shit after I just finished watching this, RUclips recommends me a members-first Pirate Software video where within the first 60 seconds, Thor is praising the game's progression and claiming it is a feature complete game... HOLY SHIT. Who do I believe???
As much as I love Pirate Software and Thor, I have to respect your opinions, insights and experience with this game Tanner. I'm not buying Helldivers 2 again for 50% more money with 50% less content.
I'll go through evrything wrong with thors video on spm2 right here for you point by point.
feature complete??? What feature is complete? The campaign with its cliffhanger and 6 hrs of content? The pve with six missions? The Pvp with 3 maps?
No bugs, only minor ones??? Did this guy not get stuck in a loading screen, or shit through a floor? How about getting hard locked on objectives, or crashing constantly? How about having to task manager to close the game??
"mountainous progression" hrs in and not 1 lvl 25? Simply because progression is taking you a long time doesn't mean it's good. It's also insane to me that it takes that long. People have had all classes at max for awhile now at this point. Wtf has he been doing?
muh roadmap "it's really good" "bonkers"
Completely grazes over the fact that the season 1 "content" like priv lobbies and ultra wide support should have been there before the game even came out. Actually acts like it's just "more content"
Talks about season two. Says more missions is good. Yes, if they are good missions. The missions currently in the game don't really scream good game design though, and if the missions are a slog no one will do them and it might as well have never been added.
Talks about difficultly 5, "lethal". Says he's still stuck on difficultly 3 THIRTY HOURS IN lol. I think that says enough about his understanding of the game. I don't think he realizes the only difference between the difficulties is enemy hp. Difficulty 4 is not hard. The enemies just have alot of health. Tanner Lindberg here beat it decently easy with white weapons and basically no perks on the class or gun. Difficulty 5 will just be another health increase. Amazing.
Grazes over the new weapon, because no one really cares and if it isn't good then it doesn't matter. Thinks new enemy means new enemy faction.
He is REALLY just seeing what he wants to see in the roadmap and not what it actually says. In no way does new enemy insinuate an entire new faction. It means a new mini boss or something of the sort.
Forgets to mention that one or two new pvp maps in a year when there is only 3 at launch is not a good look for the amount of content planned for a live service.
Prestige system is probably alright, depending on how they do it. If it's poorly implemented then no one will even interact with it. Should have been in the game at launch as well.
Battle barge expansion, whatever that means.
Reads out season 4, which is a year from now. A horde mode, a new gun, and a new enemy. Then states it's a shitload of content. Two new guns in a year? Two pvp map? Like 3 poorly designed missions? Not they are specific in the numbers of course. Three new extremis enemies most likely?
Horde mode? Does it take a year to just make an endless loop of the last area in mission one?
Games used to LAUNCH with content like this and it was the STANDARD. They are feeding you SHIT and expecting you to good "mmmm, yum!"
He genuinely thinks the game has a ton of content right now, which is hilarious. One campaign which without cutscenes is like 4 hours. No reward for doing it on anything above easy. A pve mode with 6 missions at launch. Six. You can play through all of them in one play session, and in order to max any classes you will be playing them dozens of times each. It gets old. Very fast. The missions aren't even that complex or long. 3 PVP MAPS. THREE. WITH HORRIBLE BALANCE. AND THREE MODES.
Acts like it's a triumph for modern games with it's 100 deluxe edition, early access, buggy launch, terrible balance with no content and shitty roadmap. Really breaking the mold. If this game wasn't 40k it would be dead in the water. Literally Concord level of mid.
Somehow thinks that the media doesn't like space marine? Like he is in the minority for liking it?
This is the same guy who loved helldivers until it had a PR nightmare and didn't want to be associated with liking it anymore btw. He will shit on valorant, one of the most competitive games on the market with THE best anti cheat for having kernel level access, but I guess it was cool when helldivers did it lol. What a trend riding corporate bootlicker. I guess saying things confidently in RUclips shorts is all you need for people to like you now. What a disaster youtube has become.
tldr don't listen to casual boomers on anything 40k related.
The only bug I had on PS5 was a camera glitch during an execution. No going through floors, no hard locked objectives, no crashes at all.
Load times have been totally fine on an SSD.
Campaign didnt end on a cliffhanger, it ended on a "where will the story go next?" - totally different.
I will say progression in PVP is pretty damn slow though, and there are really weird hit detection issues at times, and I will agree balancing needs to happen - it's very much rock-paper-scissors and sometimes its a hard fucking rock that there is nothing you can do about it (looking at you Bulwark and your invulnerability)
Thor is genuinely a moron. And seen as kind of a lolcow outside of like normie circles. 90% of his takes are horrifically bad they are just tailored to sound good in the context of a youtube short
@@TannerLindberg he's actually, funny enough, a perfect example of "game dev sentiment = how good the game is" normies love him, and his game has insanely positive reviews. His game isn't good. But they like thor so they give it a positive review. It's staggering how many reviews just state such. If he groomed a minor or something the game would get overwhelming bad reviews. Game is still the same. It was always bad. It's just marketing. How many people actually play through games with a critical eye nowadays before reviewing? None really. If other people like it, they do and vice versa. All marketing bs.
I feel so validated now. I knew I wasn't the only one who felt like the melee combat awful. This clunky-ass button mash system paired with low damage outputs really makes you realize how much smoother and in-depth the melee combat is in Darktide as opposed to SM2.
Since there's plenty comments I don't know if it was mentioned before, but regarding the Marine's death during the traitor guardsmen scene:
I've seen a different version of that scene, and I'm not sure if this has to do with the game's official release vs the early access people got, but in that other version the Primaris has a different helmet (red and white) and after the explosion you can see a piece of metal sticking out of his eye. The death and blood are because a piece of metal pierced through his visor, right through his eyeball and into his brain (which also explains the blood).
Now, I don't know if it's even lore-plausible that a piece of sharpnel could get past that specific part of the helmet, but the odds of that happening seem so extremely low that it feels even more nitpicky to point out the actual cause of death than any of the reasons why a marine could easily survive a point blank explosive.
I’d rather have WAY more enemies that were made less tanky than the bullet sponges they have now. Executions need to be sped up too IMO. The load screens are insane too I agree.
Thanks for doing this Tanner. It helps me think about what I'm doing more and Im glad i saw most of the same issues.
gamers continuing to show the industry we don't actually give a shit about gameplay and will just instabuy the flashiest and most marketed game of the season.
It’s a sequel to a cult classic from the PS3 era that people have been hyped about for two years.
Don’t be so pretentious, no one on RUclips is going to think you’re cool.
"cult classic" lol lmao even
@@krism.6598 Cult Classic 😂😂😂😂
@@krism.6598these are the same people crying their eyes out while playing 500 hours of the game they apparently “hate” so much
I just want something to fill the hole in me that Mass Effect 3 multiplayer left.
On an unrelated note Tanner, idk if it’s your cup of tea but I’d highly recommend buying and playing through the Dawn of War games if you like RTS (DOW 3 doesn’t exist) and want more from the setting of 40K that’s actually good
I miss ME3 multi-player so bad, it was so good I played that mode for over two years straight
@@Marzellus1991 Same dude, I played it religiously for a long time, still never got all the weapons or their upgrades, the black widow continues to elude me to this day LMAO, people still play it though! At least on Xbox, I actually redownloaded it and launched it on my series X and played a few rounds earlier and got a full lobby by the time the 4th wave rolled around.
@@bubbajoe117 Didn't even know people still played it that's cool. Andromeda left a hole in me on how much they screwed up that game. I never got Black Widow past IX cause the rng just wouldn't let me max it or the super rare guns. Acolyte pistol became my bread and butter when they introduced the Collectors into the multi. God i miss this trilogy. I wish with the remaster they brought the multiplayer back i be religiously on it right now.
ME3 MP Gamers rise up
Being a space marine should feel powerful. I feel like a marshmellow marine in this game. Just so many bad design choices. The game is bad.
It also runs at 5000°F in the menus. like.....
Astartes are fine, you are just bad bro
3x Primaris sent over to operation to kill over 100 Thousand Sons - My ChArAcTeR fEeLs NoT pOwErFuL
The setting is specifically set up in against the odds of Primaris Marines. The fact that they can win any of the operations the way people do is absolutely ridiculous but hey, Ultramarines I guess. Anyways, you cannot possibly be more powerful than this in Warhammer 40k, what do you want, be able to defeat Magnus one on one?
@@Pitax125friend you actually missed the point by fucking miles we dont talk about feeling powerful lore wise its a hack amd slash game obviously you need to bend the lore to actually make a fun game its just gameplay wise you feel weak as shit higher difficulty's it is basically required to constantly roll minoris enemies tear thought your power armor like butter to actually feel powerful you need to play the game as it was not intended otherwise your gonna be dead on the first encounter on ruthless difficulty it needs some serious rebalancing especially melee
@@grimreaper5004 you do sound as ridiculous as the toilet sitters. The higher difficulty is only hard to either console players or people who cannot put in two buttons at the same time. Literally learn how to perfect dodge, parry, gunstrike - master up your builds and perks before 4th diff and you will see massive improvements. I doubt half of the people here even use objective traps to gain massive advantage at some maps or actual class mechs. The only thing I'd personally have any objections with are shooting enemies having more damage than they should. Thats it. Get better and stop whining, game is fun to master. Son if you'd be born with that mentality at the years of starcraft broodwar you'd be absolutely mentally broken.
Was waiting for this. Preach on the loading screens. 0 endgame. Back to darktide we go
Tbh I just didn't want to play it because I heard they made Titus a Primaris and I like to pretend that 40k has not changed in the last 10+ years.
I think your content improved a lot, you let your co-hosts speak more now and you also build on their points better. Good job man, really enjoyed this
Found your channel today. Lots of great takes.
What resonated with me was when you talked about how awful Hold the Ground is. I played that mode today and it was one of the worst experiences.
Sticking to Seize for now as that one seems the most interesting.
Endymion is garbage dude. So annoying
Did he have a take on Endymion? Can you share the time stamp?
@@OrAngelicBlitz8633 Yeah it is 1:01:10
Huge 40k fan here. I paint and build the miniatures and play the table top. Love 40k. But this game??? Meh at best. It's the same old game I've already played a hundred times before over the last 20 years. It's basically Dynasty Warriors meets Gears of War. Nothing new. Nothing innovative. It's just a 40k skin slapped onto a game that has been rehashed over and over again. Waste of my money. 3 days of having the game and I'm ready to just go back to painting models. If you really want a good 40k game, then go get DAWN OF WAR and the expansions.
Also spacemarine 1 gave you health back and it made this awesome dynamic on the higher difficulties.
Armor restoration can currently be done with multimelta, it could be brought to all melee weapons. Every kill reduces armor recover time.
This is in the weapons perk. So instead of the garbage perks they have, they could change them for this, for damage reduction, for health regen, for stun, etc
My favorite part of the game is when I try to exit the game and walk away, only to come back 20 mins later to see its hard locked and my computer is about to catch fire. I have to use Task Manager to close it, every. time. Whoever designed this game MESSED UP.
The first honest "review"of the game I have seen on YT from all those so called independent content creators on the the platform..
Example how unfinished this game is
1. Massive connection issues
2. Loading times are suuuuper long despite requiring a M.2
3. Infinite Loading screen BUGS
4. Matchmaking bugs and issues
5. No mouse settings beyond 1 sensitivity.
6. No FOV or ultra-wide (you can actually tell that ultra wide should be working because you can see pings markers over the black bars so to make the game 16:9 they just shoved black bars on your screen)
7. Enemies able to shoot through walls
8. Game crashes
All these are simply bugs that can be fixed with a single patch and or minor things that can be adjusted. Really don’t see why you would use this as an example.
So your saying that aim sensitivity and massive loading times, lack of settings in general, a matchmaking system that does not matchmake when it should, enemies shooting through walls are not things they could have seen and finished before release and are NOT half baked?
You are actually retarded.
@@llGreyll.the point was this games unfinished 😭 and your response is “these can all be fixed at a later time” you’re literally proving his point still
@@Indy2109 If you’re going to quote me, do it right. I don’t see anywhere that I said at a later time, I stand by my point entirely. A single patch could fix everything he said, a patch that could be dropped within the first week or two of release. None of this indicates a game being unfinished, most games if not all drop with bugs. Skyrim was a nightmare yet it wasn’t received with hate like you people try to do with every game now. Nothing is good enough anymore for you kids, it’s sad.
@@llGreyll. a patch implies a later time, which could also lead to them never being fixed. And these aren’t just small bugs these are major issues that causes the game to be unplayable for people, if you tried to start Skyrim and instead of loading in it just gives you a infinite loading screen would you still continue to play the game? Same with the connection issues the game has. First player impressions are a big part for if a games lifespan continues or not. After that dlc content. It shouldn’t be buggy game first then updates to fix said buggy game then dlc content
Tanner you saved myself and several friends $70 a piece. I was iffy from the get go and what gameplay I did see wasn't that complex or compelling. Have a friend who purchased it and said "Meh my kid likes it, but Darktide has better gameplay."
This took me right back to Darktide. You're wrong on Helldivers it's fun, but not for hardcore min maxers like you for sure.
Watching paint dry is fun if you're doing it with friends.
Some of the points are heavily overexaggerated... but this video is absolutely right.
After watching this whole video, I have to say it’s so refreshing to see genuine gamers who actually understand the game they’re talking about go over its shortcomings in detail. I’m so sick of all the trend riding and lukewarm fence riding half baked takes of the major RUclipsrs. It’s just nice to hear actual gamers who know what they’re talking about speak their mind.
They are just hyping it up because it isnt absolute AAA slop and "Woke " like most games that came out recently
I'm sure this video won't garner any controversy at all.
surely not
clueless
hopefully not but i didnt do my self any favors
Just like helldivers, there will be a Time, then they realize
I'm sure that wasn't the intent behind it at all.
Nobody is claiming its a perfect game, or that its feature rich. It is pretty barebones...
But its given me 100+ hours of a good time, thats all i ask from the games i buy. The lore is great, the foundations are strong for future releases.
I’ve played 80 hours and half of it was boring as fuck. I’d rather play helldivers 2 or deep rock. Or even cod. This game is at least more fun than wwz
It's a nice time sink till something interesting gets an update or comes along, if that season 2 update isn't substantial, which I doubt it will be, it won't last till the end of the month. On top of that, horde mode not being in there till next year is a huuuuge turn off
i think this sums up this video pretty well
Headshots feel like only a 50% increase rather than double- but even with that, being good at Bolt pistol 9 damage becomes 13.5 which you can spam at the relatively static enemies, outdoing the power sword’s 11… without the 0.5 second animation windup between swings… from 30’ away….
So in 2 seconds you get 4 bolt pistol headshots for 54 damage
or swing power sword twice for 22 damage…
if you have less aim, and hit 3 bolt pistol shots at torso…. Still 27 damage in that same 2 seconds… VS 22 from sword.
I think tripling Melee damage is in order… or better yet, Double the Base melee damage. Then triple every situational melee perk/ class buff for melee.
(Example: Give Assault a Perk called… idk, *RECIPROCITY:* on perfect Dodge you deal +75% melee damage and for 10 seconds)
matchmaking is terrible, weapon viability is trash - most classes are useless without melta, health and armour system is just plain bad. 100hrs in operations and am completely over the game there is just so many terrible design choices that i doubt will ever be fixed. 5/10 at best
If they create other opportunities to regain armor it would help a lot.
Competing with players for armor regen, walking across the battlefield to do an execution and watch an animation I’ve seen over and over, it’s horrendous game design.
@@J.B.1982 they need to rework the armor system into something similar to darktides toughness system, a hit from a trash mob takes an entire chunk of armor, while that is happening you're being peppered from all angles by trash mob range enemies and there is no consistent way to prevent damage / regen armor and/or health unless you just dodge roll for minutes at a time, praying you dont go down. positional play is non existent because spawns are so over the top and seemingly unfair that it doesn't matter which enemy you target first, 99% of the time the game will just spawn more range units behind you like 40 meters away and you're back at square one. it's super frustrating.
@@Jack-d7i
I’ve noticed that too and yeah, similar to Darktide would be great. I’m on break from that game currently. Lol.
Killing an elite without the execution should give you an armor or even half an armor. That’s an easy addition.
More perk options too.
"My fucking N word, its 2024" HAHHAHAHAAHAH. From Warframe to this, You never disappoint lol.
Space Marine 2 is just a shitty reskin of their last game, World War Z. It is literally the same game except you have a power armour skin and the hoards are far less fun to fight agaisnt. You as a Space Marine, have the same survivability as the regular people you played as in that game. They didn’t even bother to change their formula to reflect that you're a super soldier in power armour.
Wow, that’s something else.
Yea you are a super soldier in power armour but a lot of things we fight in the game lore wise, could kill space marines pretty easily. Hell you would need so many space marines to even take on a Hive tyrant. hive tyrant would kill space marines like nothing. The thousands sons marines can take you on too, especially their psykers are known to be very strong in lore. You would be a normal soldier compared to a lot of things in this game.
@@leejones4429 The lore is inconsistent on this. Sometimes genestealers can easily defeat terminators and other times the Blood Angels can successfully fight a Hive fleet controlled by the hive mind itself. Since the devs got to choose they should have chosen the power fantasy.
I've been saying this. People are going to totally forget about this game in a month.
Yeah nah that’s not gonna happen. Warhammer 40k fans kept the first game alive for 13 years
@@mintyfresh7867alive is abit of an overstatement
This being one of the best warhammer games, i doubt that, warhammer has a huge community
@@n1ght7ngale nah it’s not I played consistently every year since its release and I’ve been able to find games all the time
@@mintyfresh7867 I'd argue Russianbadger and Bricky have done more for the Warhammer 40K community than everyone else combined, especially for Space Marine.
SM2 is a WH40k asset-swap of WWZ, one of Saber's older projects.
Almost all of SM2's systems have been lifted from that game, it's hilarious.
saved me $60. looking forward to the upcoming darktide update, will pick up SM2 in the future on heavy sale
You guys saved me $60, thank you for your service.
@dabsallday107 it's a fun game not a good game lol
@@InfestedINC incredibly accurate, it's like eating junkfood: tastes good but it's not good for you
It’s at best a 6
The femboy made another video.
Note: I agree with almost everything the femboy said.
this is pretty much what the first game was like. like most people i got the first one when it had been out for 6 months. so a 10 hour campaign that was as fun as that one was seemed pretty solid for $30/15. tbf, back then only CoD and battlefield games released with all the hype and everything else was more word of mouth. i don't think the first one was marketed to well either so it took like 6 months for people to even know it existed and it was already cheap.. now every game releases to hype and dies in a month, and expectations have shifted a ton. im sure SM2 will be a good deal at $20 like the first one was though
I’ve been saying the same thing the game is overpriced for what it provides. If this was like a $40 game on launch i wouldn’t criticize as much for how little playtime it can offer
@@GeniusI2_3 i mean if publishers think they could get $100 a game they would do that. they can get away with the prices now because people feel like if they don't buy the game the first month of release they might as well not buy it at all. i certainly felt that way when i was 16 and i couldn't resist anyways. but now its not a problem for me to wait a year or two. when you get older your perception of time changes drastically, particularly after high school and you stop measuring time by school years and instead 'recent' means anything in the past 5 years.
@@im_cart8656 yea I kinda jumped the gun because I’ve been waiting for a game to play with my friends for months so I preordered like a dumbass
@@GeniusI2_3 preordering was pretty dumb.. idk what the bonus was but they are never worth it and 90% of the time you don't even use whatever it was. but i don't blame you on trying to hope something will click me and everyone i know mostly playing 10+ year old games
The progression is going to get worst, much worst. Just wait for the prestige system when the upgrades get even stronger and you have to start from level 1 multiple times just to max out your kit..
What is the prestige system?
@@Foneio It's MW call of duty's progression but instead of getting emblems you reset your rank and a lose your current gear and grind back to the max rank again to unlock more upgrades or class perks.
Look at world war z the games progression system.
It greatly increases the grind needed to reach a classes full potential.
Tbh I didn't mind the grind in wwz. Although the game felt much better to play and had more depth in how you could setup to defend swarms. Not to mention the perks actually felt meaningful in nuanced ways.
Hearing that the enemies in the bug swarms approaching the all in this game are fake kind of turned me off completely from this game. Idk if this is how it worked in wwz but I'm pretty sure it didn't. You could hold some swarms off without a single zombie getting in with a good team.
I dont mind the prestige system and the grind i actually think is a bery good idea in a game like this and you constantly stive to improve BUT the perks better be worth it and actually make me feel like A POWERFUL VETERAN SPACE MARINE and not give me a 5% Melee boost for grinding 25 lvls
@grimreaper5004 lol they're gonna have to make some pretty good perks and buff the bolter guns. I really wish I could use them and not get stomped. Tbh I hope the nerf the melta into the ground so they're forced to fix the rest of the game.
Half this video motivated me to finish my own song about the reality of this game. Resumed 2nd half after uploading. Cheers for the facts and laughs.
THANK GOD im not the only one that thinks this
Henry cavil is very disappointed
This was therapeutic. Everyone has hyped this game up so much, but melee is so garbage. But no one wants to really say it
This was very therapeutic. 🙂
they hated him because he told the truth
See this is why I like your systems-first approach to game critique.
No idea why so many people who play video games for a living are so allergic to making this kind of criticism and instead lean into the flavor of the month glazing nonsense that contributes to the cycle of unfinished, unpolished, and unoptimized games being released.
Im an hour and a half in, hoping you bring up the "special edition" that lets you access the game a day or two early for +50% of the base cost of an already expensive game. There's a concerning lump that's waiting to explode into a cancer, right there. Soon it'll be a week, and then it'll be a month delay if you buy the standard edition, mark my words. Peak masculine gaming, we are so back bros.
70% like/dislike ratio world record speedrun
70 percent might be high for a vid like this LOL depends
@@n1ght7ngale us Tanner fans will HOLD THE LINE!!! FOR THE EMPEROR!!
Wouldn't even be close to my lowest
the riding on helldivers 2 is crazy i love doing the same 3 missions over and over again with the same objectives while also being cockteased about an apparent 3rd enemy type that never appears in the game its quite fun overall helldivers 7/10
7/10 is a good game though.
7 out of ten is extremely good. In fact it's almost perfect that means you are really a serious fan of a game.
I would rate helldivers and space marine 2 as both 3 out of ten games
@@TannerLindberg
That’s brutal. Lol. SM2 is a 5,6/10 for me. The WH lure and world design contributes. Music is solid. Voice acting is solid.
music and voice acting dont make a game they only add to it. you can turn them both off and not lose much the fact those 2 things are the first and only things you mention as good speak volumes to how bad the game is
53:24 "This isn't even drip-feed, this is Chinese water torture!" 😂 Truuuee!
There are issues most definitely, but this first patch could be huge (emphasis on huge). Also if you guys feel strongly about your critiques there’s always that developer FAQ submission thing. This isn’t to dismiss anyone but if we want the game to better we gotta at least try to help the devs
ya I give the atmosphere, enemy choices, lore accuracy a 10/10 but I give the combat more like a 5/10
Bro I completely agree. Games mid at best just cause the campaign was good 9/10. The rest of the game is garbage 1 of 10. Load times, error codes. Lack of shit to do. Terrible matchmaking, the worse. I returned my copy on Xbox series x after a week and said my kid bought it without my permission and got my money back lol.
Games so good when you don’t have hater crying in your ear
And 2 hours of crying is way to much "Heretics" 😜
I was very confused with all your sm2 content coming out. All is right in the world again.
he can make content on a game and grind it but not like it, he's just built like that.
This time around he wanted to show off more of how he goes about judging the game, rather than his approach with helldivers 2 where he only just talked about it.
I agree with this but you talking over your pals is really annoying, let them speak
As for the wacky culture war vids I’d say it’s either rage bait or just a continuous back and forth sorta like if people got mad at stellar blade or tries to cancel someone for nothing/past actions it’s a cycle of hate or complaints that goes on for years
So true, my fellow enlightened centrist
Chaos space marines are supposed to be tougher since they have an invulnerable save on tabletop, that being said, the damned tzaangors with shields.... no way. They should be able to tank nothing more than a pistol shot. The rubric marines have better armor, better guns on tabletop. This was well represented, but it was brought to an absurd level.
These big RUclipsrs are like this game is perfect and amazing and only play it for 10 hours
For me, this game is basically the mid as fuck gears of war rip off from 2008 but then again the first SM1 was exactly the same. All i wanted from the sequel is to have that but on a modern level of quality. Should it be that way? Probably not. It's not balanced, the progression is both unsatisfying and slow, the talents are mostly bad so there is no real build making, there isnt a lot of maps or weapons etc. And yet this is still one of the best 40k action games, and the best space marine action game. It brings nothing new to the gaming landscape but i didnt want anything new, i wanted the old done in a way that looks nice and feels nice, and more or less they did that. With how much money it made im sure it can only get better overtime but it will never compete with the likes of darktide in terms of sheer replayability - but it does not have to.
It's probably the best space marine power fantasy you can get at the moment despite the game's many flaws. If they made melee stronger, movement faster and executions quicker, armor more durable and enemies less tanky I'd be addicted. Or at the very least, make sprinting in the battle barge faster, like ffs...
Why do people say it's like Gears of War? I too read that one article before the game came out, but I do have see the resemblance, there is over the shoulder 3rd person, and there are chain swords, the Lancer you can chainsaw any man sized enemy or lower at any time, you can't do that in SM2, only finishers. There is no cover system in SM2, so there is no wall bouncing (would be kind of sick of there was), so I don't get it, feels like because one person said it, people are trying to connect the dots
i wish there was more variation in maps, like in darktide or minecraft dungeons, where rooms could be changed, same with events, as much as i despise payday 2, i gotta give props to its ingame events, they felt unique and sometimes impactful, you had to actually play around them, in shadow raid, for example, midway through guards or an artifact spawn that affect how you'll play. This game just doesn't have the necessary variation to feel replayable beyond the first playthrough.
DONT SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS GAME. THEY WILL EAT YOU.
I don't have much to say about the campaign and the PvE since I've been waiting to play that with my bf but I've been playing a tonne of the PvP in the meantime.
I agree that Assault audio is fucking bad at best and nonexistent at worst. Disregarding that... anyone saying that Assault is bad in PvP is a moron. Just takes using more than the 2 braincells that the average person has and that will likely be the case even if they change the audio. Also AcTuAlLy ground slam doesn't one shot even with Thunder Hammer, it just sets up a follow up hit 99% of the time which may as well be a one shot since you're stunned after being pounded owo.
Vanguard is either a force multiplier in team fights or plays like a counter flanker since they can win 1v1s against snipers and heavies pretty easily. I think the clips you showed of "fun and engaging gameplay" followed by abysmal scoreboards proved that lmao. They struggle in fair or disadvantaged team fights as an exchange though so bad players can still contribute but good players can't excel. Honestly seems like bad game design but you gotta have a role for the casuals I suppose.
I disagree on stuff like weapon bloom since depending on the weapon you can still get consistent hits with sustained fire within their effective range. After giving stuff like the Heavy Bolt Rifle a chance I'd say that it gives each of them a niche instead of just taking the highest DPS weapons in all scenarios.
The shock grenade needs a nerf or needs to be split into 2 different grenades because yeah it's obviously the best grenade in the game, impact detonation, blind, slow and a dot? Universally useful grenade and in a week everyone will be using that unless they have a niche strategy with Melta bombs. Bonus points for letting a class with 99% invisibility and a blistering fast ttk smg take it because how could that go wrong?
Bulwarks are insane and I can't really disagree with anything that you're saying about them lmao. Block needs to break under fire after sometime because yeah currently they're just a wall that can be fully exposed and the second you ignore them they kill you because pistols are pretty good in PvP.
The 3 player teams need to go. No reason why I can't queue up with at least 6 people.
Teams need to shuffle every match if for no other reason than I want to see my loyalist drip instead of being locked into lame ass re-coloured heretics every round.
Private lobbies would be great and it's baffling that the game didn't launch with them.
I still like the PvP at the end of the day. Been having alot of fun with it overall despite it's flaws. Kinda "if everything is broken nothing is" scenario imo but there's obviously a tonne of room for improvement. I hope it does improve and become a little more balanced but if not then oh well. I didn't buy it myself so no skin off my back lmao.
Game's 5/10 and without the GW franchise behind it, would be classified as one step above barely playable slop. It'll still make its money back purely on hype, but no one's going to be buying their overpriced DLC or Season passes or crap so they can festoon their shoulderpad with one additional skull while teleporting bullet sponges spawn by the thousands.
Your'e living in a bubble lol. People are going to buy it. Deal with it
@@patio4niture781 Bruh I know people who play AdMech at $1 = 1 Point. People like that will buy anything with a GW logo on it.
Completely agree. I'm glad people are having their fun, but it's very basic
Bruh the Primarchs did not ethnically cleanse their homeworld lol.
There was some lore where Sanguinius geneseed turned Baal natives (swarthy dudes from an irradiated desert shithole) into gold haired femboys like Sang himself but this hasn't been a hard and fast rule ever , aside from baked in geneflaws.
> you're wrong
>goes on to describe an example of them doing literally what I said
@@TannerLindberg Yes you're wrong bro, like I said Space Marines becoming mini-me versions of their Primarch was a sometimes thing. Plenty of ugly Blood Angels without blonde hair.
Ultramar is a big ass region of space called "the 500 worlds" which the UM recruit from.
GWs actual motives aside it's easy to say at least 1 has blacks or asians on it and Guilliman's genesperm didn't bleach them. Who knows maybe Gadriel started with brown eyes lol.
>continues to explain why I'm right while inviting I'm wrong
If you remove the WH lore it’s objectively mid, if not bad.
I’m pretty sure the video game industry is a big money laundering scheme. How this game made it out the door like this is beyond me.
About the thousand sons, they really should have more about them in game like having them talk more instead of killing another named marine for effect lol, imurah was the only one carrying.
might come back in a year. I had alot of fun playing the brainless PVP but holy shit is it not finished. like nothing in this game is finished or completely thought out so PVP stands out because you're playing against players instead of an enemy that was made by the game designers
I can't believe we've fallen so far that this is a "golden standard" that casual andys praise for video games.
30:37 "it's an artificial way to put console and pc players on the same playing field" - lol. They don't even let you crossplay PvP with your friends.
and? you can in other modes
@@TannerLindberg Maybe I didn't phrase that right, I'm agreeing with you, and loving the video. It's lame as fuck that I can't play a (shitty) portion of the game with my friends. Why the hell is that restriction even there? Like you say, they have these garbage mechanics to try and... what, level the playing field? Then we can't even play together so it's pointless anyway.
Shoutouts to the 360p gang
Yeah this game feels like a generic sci fi game from the previous decade with a 40k skin, as a 40k fan since the Dawn of War 1 pc games this game lore wise is a travesty, space marines bitching at each other and trying to kill their superior without repercussions is insulting to me when in lore a scout taking a shot without permission from a superior was literally lobotomised to be a servitor for that. It was marketed towards the call of duty/normie crowd especially with the campaign. Marines don't even move properly, they move too slowly like they're regular men in armour and I'm not even going to bother talking about the primaris thing, regular marines had far more character and primaris exists just for army rebuys.
The Tyranids wouldn't just die after the hive tyrant gets killed, they would just revert to an animalistic state after that psychic link is broken, they would still be dangerous, and the Thousand Sons wouldn't villainously monologue like a moustache twirling supervillain, they're known for making complicated plots, coming in, getting what they want and fucking off.
99% of the player base won't stay for this game past a few months, this game feels 40k in visuals and the tone of the campaign, but the writing is dog shit call of duty campaign. Wasn't worth the purchase tbh, and this game was delayed to release from a year ago, i shudder to imagine what the state of this game was a year ago and where the attention was going for development.
great rant stream, love you Tanner, never stop 😂
I was watching another streamer and their chat was saying how Darktide should’ve been more like Space Marines 2 😆
😂
If Darktide had space marines instead they wouldn't be saying that, I guarantee you.
so back to Darktide...?
This game does everything a modern game does.... expensive, launched with a bunch of bugs.... not complete. No
What your describing is actually games since the beginning of gaming itself. Every major game including the most legendary ones, have all been; less content on release in comparison to 1-2 years post release. Every one of those have had bugs which have needed fixing. And every single one of those have cost 60-70-80+ raising with current day inflation. I used to pay 60+ for games in the 90's also.
You totally can ALt-f4 out of the game. I do every time because it just hangs on a black screen when It closes and I aint got time for that.
the loading screens are also for console
Thanks Tanner & frens, I deeply appreciate the coverage you've done and I listened to most of your SM2 streams, definitely feel justified in my skepticism about the game. Also I agree with you about the culture war slop about the alphabet mafia, that's low IQ pot stirring that shouldn't affect intelligent decisions about gaming or politics. There are more serious things afoot, and I agree just because a person happens to check certain boxes doesn't automatically mean they're going to write political propaganda or be bad at a job (despite probability and previous examples, it's always #notall).
Would be good if all these valid points were posted on Reddit or X. Hopefully it would get some traction and the devs would see it.
I don't think your average reddit lobotomite is in the headspace to receive feedback like this at the moment. Wait for saber to have some pr fuck up then post it. Then people will act like that's what they thought the whole time.
@n1ght7ngale There's actually a decent amount of posts criticizing Weapon and class balance , matchmaking etc.... But I doubt the devs even see that . Only youtube and the forum will get seen
1:27:28 Another thing on this lol. As an Assault you have 3 jumps, which is essentially 3 regenerating frag grenades (because they insta-kill sometimes, as you mentioned earlier). On my first Capture and Control video, there's a timestamp 4:32 where the enemy team has the objective locked down. No contest. Bulwarks, heavies, tacticals, vanguard. They own the objective, my team cannot get in.
What happens? I jump in 3 times, I get like 2 or 3 kills, and 2 kill assists, and while I die my team swoops in and takes easy kills on everyone left in. Capture and Control has basically NO balance. All the OP stuff can swing the fight in seconds, and there's almost no counterplay unless if you have wallhax I suppose. YOU CANNOT EVEN HEAR MY JUMP COMING
I just checked. I get 2 instant kills from 1 JUMP.
1 JUMP = 2 INSTANT KILLS you cannot respond to. Your only option is to duck out of cover and be mowed down by my team instantly. And that's if you hear or see me coming.
I got 1 more kill from my last jump.
Sure, I died, but I took literally the entire enemy team out in a position they couldn't be forced out of by any other class single-handedly within seconds.
The 60's ? Tf u talking about my dude. 80's u mean. Yea melee is absolute crap, it needs to get fixed and balanced out. Thats for sure.
That is a solid criticism, but it needs better ideas to fix, not just "get back armor". Maybe some damage reduction, more stun with concussive weapons such as hammers and fists. More armor breaking with those weapons as well. Armor penetration for blades and force weapons. And or massive cleave for chainswords.
Yeah action cancellation on melee hits needs to happen. For sure. And less load up actions, which get disrupted by every enemy.
The gun strike needs to get invincibility like the execution. That will fix everything.
1:40:00 I thought it was a cache of Melta Bombs because that’s the only mental leap that gave sense to death with Any residual Fire damage. That only made sense to me cuz I killed myself with a melta bomb on my first run of operations. So from my, Non-Warhammer-fan COD casual POV: a melta cache made in-game logic sense but it was still a LAME DEATH scene.
Woulda been more sensible and Grimdark if the Astartes came in, instantly intuit the trader. No Dialogue: play all of Chairon’s reactions as a slow motion 0.25 a second of zooming around, noticing the tattoo on a guy 120’ away on a balcony and the uneasy posture and a hyper zoom to a beat of sweat. Hard Cut Lietenant NPC guy starts shooting, sharp cut to the other Astartes shooting (as shown in the original, without a Titus announcement). The level continues as normal and then cutscene of the Melta Cache, the NPC up front and BOOM the ENTIRE CATHEDRAL FALLS and as the character Bust out of the Rubble- there lies the melta scorched body of the NPC guy only cuz he was at the heart of the explosion!
Cooler spectacle, more faithful… hopefully
Moment i saw you could charge a thunderhammer and you cant even knockover an elite i knew it wasnt worth a buy
Oh shit that's awful! I haven't even tried to use the thunder hammer yet. 😅