The 8 demons spend all their time fighting eachother inside the eightbound that they counteract eachother's mutations. By the time one wins its too exhausrted to properly mutate the host
The regular possessed are the result of when the host has lost controll to the demon. In the Eightbound models (not exalted) that struggle is ongoing, if they lost that battle they would look like possessed. So, at least how I understand it, the way this is represented in the Eightbound is in two stages; Model version 1 = the struggle where no clear winner has been decided. Model version 2 (exalted eightbound) is when that struggle is done and the marine was the victor over the demons.
@@sarahhillary7698 Way too few! Like you see someone walking down the street with six bindings, and they're like all: "Hey! You need to get some more bindings!"
I can only explain this by supposing the daemons were little piss daemons. Like equivalent to furies or brimstone horrors. 8 bloodletters is just nuts though.
In defense of the Eightbound vs Exalted Eightbound - think about Argel Tal's beginnings. When they returned from the Eye after he was possessed by a Khorne Daemon, his appearance was unchanged for years while it whispered to him and the Heresy was stirring up. And then after the awakening of the Gal Vorbak when the Heresy began, he mutated into the form we see in the new miniature.
Yes, but they way I read that is they were biding their time and waiting until the moment was right, the pieces were put into play rather than the daemons… maturing.
Even if that's the case, there's a problem there. First, it means every one of the Eighbound is somehow able to keep not one but EIGHT daemons under control when a First Captain from a legion that devoted its time to studying lore and daemonology struggled to do it with just one. That's also ignoring the fact that the Warp and its entities were far less powerful in the material world at that point. Raum would also take over from Argel Tal when his emotions overwhelmed him. So what we're saying here is somehow the Eightbound are cool headed enough to keep EIGHT daemons under control, but aggressive enough to climb the ranks of the World Eaters ? They are somehow calmer and more able than Argel Tal even with the Butcher's Nails hammered into their skulls, pulsating pure rage, and that somehow doesn't awaken the eight daemons of a blood god ?
The Gal Vorbak were also known for being able to shift in and out of their possessed forms at will. It was a true symbiotic exchange between both beings unlike the half assed possession rituals of modern 40k
He mutated in combat though. He only looked normal when he wasnt on the battlefield, to hide that the corruption was worse than it looked. On the battlefield he and the rest looked like monsters. These models are clearly not sitting around playing a game of Evil Regicide.
Maybe they're possessed by 8 of the Khorne equivalent of Nurglings? or this is what happens when the designer's and fluff writers don't talk to each other...
Now I don’t know a whole lot about the World Eaters, BUT I think the way it breaks down is that when one daemon possesses you, it mutates you and makes you into this terrifying thing. However, when you merge with eight daemons that are all fighting with one another, no one single daemon can control the host long enough to make lasting mutations.
It amazes me how these are basically the purest looking space marine models out there because of how much visible, completely uncorrupted skin there is but they're meant to be possessed by 8 daemons.
Can we also talk about how they come in a packet of 3, and if I remember the leak they can be taken of a unit of 3 to 6. 6! The unit has "Eight" in the name, but you can max take them in a unit of 6!
The lesser rank of khorne is bloodletters...if u are possessed by 8 fucking bloodletters you are gonna be a mess of muscles horns and limbs not a dumb roided up marines
Greetings! Preiss algorithm gods! In warhammer fantasy exist "imps" Realy weak chaos demons. Khorne have them too. Khorne imp are caled "Malice" Its funy to me.
@@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 Khornlets. I like how the gods have different prefixes or whatever like khornate, slaaneshi, etc so maybe their little baby demons have similar tiny prefixes
- I've proved my worth in combat and mastered my inner deamons (8 of them to be exact). What is my reward, oh mighty Khorne? - Eh... You get more possessed, I guess.. - .... wat
I imagine the idea is that, Khorne being about strength and all, that’s it’s about being the dominant entity in the body. These guys are so indomitable that they can take in 8 demons (which, we don’t know how powerful those demons are), and remain the dominant personality. But maybe that’s just not good enough to excuse it.
This entire World Eaters release in a nutshell. Missing most of the generic units the other Chaos codices can use, no unique Daemon engines, no Red Butchers... WTF was GW _thinking!??_
My interpretation is that that’s how they look right after escaping the brass box, and then they either master the deamons and become exalted, or get chaos spawned. So they are super short lived shock troops that either ascended or get blorged
i agree its dumb. It should of been the Red Butchers (world eaters elite terminators) rather than these. I have no idea why they didnt do it considering they did it for Tsons and Death Guard
They had no time. These are made using assets from the Berzerkers box. They copied/pasted at the last second and added what mutations they could before they had to move on to the next thing. I think we might finally be seeing the consequences of the lockdowns here.
I choose my head-cannon that the mortal bodies of the Eightbound maintain their looks because they are the dominant soul in the body, as if he dominated the demons in their body and uses their power to juice himself in the form he finds is the strongest for his style of warfare. As for the exalted versions, they work together to find a comprimise that allows the daemon to grant more power and thus, mutation.
That's good! Like, Argel Tal was much better at balancing the possession, but 10,000 years later, everyone has learned how to maintain the possession. Maybe the Butcher's Nails give them more "control"?
@@jossypoo Control wouldn't be the right word. I see it being more like an ''I take your strength for myself because you are too weak to use it properly'' kind of situation, the daemons are still there, but their host dominates them. The exalted would be more of like ''You and I are equally worthy of this body, lets combine our strength and our forms to gore and ravage the unworthy''
They said that the eightbound are still in control of their own body. The marine is fighting with the daemons, and they are fighting with eachother. The daemons are not in a symbiotic relationship and not in control of the body. That at least was my interpretation.
Ditto, not to mention Khornes mutations often just look stronger and buffer (like Khârn) rather the Slaaneshes pincers, Tzeenches birdness and Nurgles pustules and tentacles. And yea, with the nails and all it really wouldn’t surprise me if it was far more symbiotic and mutual then parasitic like regular possessed
It's poorly communicated in terms of visual ques. Surely you can just use standard khorne bezerkers if that was the case. Reminds me of the old "I can move faster than the speed of light. See? I just did it, too fast for you to spot" joke.
@@clinch4402 True I guess that I may be biased. The image of a World eater constantly fighting a mental war, to stay in control and preventing his body to mutate to much just sounds really cool to me. And if a daemon were to take over do the other 7 bow down or do they start going after the one in control of the body. I can see the daemons acting as checks for eachother preventing any one of them staying in control for very long. But this may be explained in the codex or it may not but as I said I really like the consept of a marine preventing the Daemons from mutating his body through sheer will.
@@tobiashaglund8896 I'm lost with this attempt at an explanation. A World Eater has the nails infused into their brain and they're somehow resisting the will of 8 daemons?
I guess the Eightbound could do for some enhanced soldiers for the Creations of Bile, they certainly look like they've been under the Spider's knife for a while.
I like the explanation on stream which is that the anger, rage, willpower allows the World Eaters to better control the strength and mutations. the exalted Eightbounf represent a perfect symbiotic relationship.
Even then though the Exalted lads are still using normal weapons (just stuck into their hands, in two cases) and are just like... a bit bigger? I just feel like the visual representation of the idea behind them is really lacking I guess
@@Kirioth oh I agree. I think it’s just that possession in 40k has been confusing as hell. Consider the fact some Daemons can perfectly hide their mutations or other situations can be invoke. Look at the original Word Bearers possession was done differently. Their is also some examples of the users overpowering the demons to maintain a least mutated form.
I totally agree. The new models look fine - not great but fine. What is letting them all down is the back story. I feel the same is true for Vashtoor, the model is ok but he is a "demi"god of chaos taking energy from the universe because people do evil things by inventing stuff. We invent a gun (evil), we invent a new crop (evil), some idiot "invents" a new perfume (has to be evil). Fine (well not really, I mean come on it isn't exact rider of the Apocalypse level is it: Famine, War, Pestilence and DEATH, oh and Vashi "people made something bad"), but why does he want to compete with the big boys. OK so he's a demigod but he wants to be a god on the level of death and war, or hedonism or decay and rot or magic and chaos. I mean when I'm thinking of the really bad things in the world and people are dying of the plague, I don't stop and say "no I should look on the bright side because someone might "invent" something". The back story in all of the new stuff is just awful and doesn't fit with the 40K universe. Have they sacked all the good story writers and got some Exec's 5 year old to knock up the story. I hope they get it sorted before they do an Emperor's Children book - I don't want marines with super strong left arms because they've been watching too much adult material - wait that might work better than this rubbish. GW I'm copyrighting the concept of "Heavy weapon bishop bashers"!!! 😂😂😂
Tbh if they set up Vashtor as a being that’s amoral rather than evil, he’d be a lot cooler. After all, lifesaving medicine and the nuclear bomb are technically both products of innovation.
@@samueltitone5683 Yes but neither are necessarily amoral or evil or good. They are just objects. I'm not sure if someone used an A bomb if it would be blood for the blood god or decay and disease of radioactive poisoning. Why not just have him as the opposite of Belisarius Cawl from when Mars Admech fought one another. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. While I'm not sure that everyone having guns is something I'd advocate the general premise is valid and I don't see how that would generate energy or creatures in the warp. Oh well at least the model is cool.
I'm guessing the Possessed of all other marines are like... the Daemon has won, and has mutated the host to look like that? While the Eightbound are having a constant mental battle against the Daemons in them, making them suppremely pissed off. And the Exalted Eightbound are like... World Eaters Gal Vorbak?
Eh, maybe the eight daemons (plus human(-ish) soul) are constantly infighting, so they don’t have the energy to, y’know, [ _Chaos Spawn noises_ ]..? (I do think that they Eightbound look good as ‘zerkers, though)
Honestly it's a lot easier to change the narrative than change the miniature. I'd just call them Chosen of Khorne. It's basically what they already are.
I think they explained in a stream (I think the release stream) that an Eightbound doesn't mutate because the fighting of the eight demons inside the Eightbound counteract each other's mutations and the body of the Eightbound only mutates when either one of the eight demons has gained control of the body or the Soul of Eightbound dominates the eight demons.
I agree with you. My head Canon is that it is a berserker champion. When he’s put in the box the eighth demons are lesser demons like Bloodletters and blood masters. He beats them in a dream scape warp battle and absorbs their souls. These eight lesser demons give The berserker of the boost in power & endurance, leading them through battle and keeping them in check while spilling blood for Khorne gets you exalted. Kind of like in the Horus heresy when Argel Tao’s armor slowly changed over time. I still remember when Karn asked him Can you no longer remove your armor or takeoff your helm?
i have two ideas: 1) because khorne hates magic, his chosen possessed are less mutated because mutations are tzeentches thing, and khorne wants manly possessed, because honor and stuff. 2) the text seems to suggest that the eightbound is still fighting the eight deamons inside him so he is less mutated because he is not yet fully taken over, he's just insane.
@@EchoMirage72 well... given that the gal vorbak were thos word bearers who just gave in instead of the three who resisted - yeah gal vorbak are not manly, quit the opposite :D
The fact that you're seemingly so aggressive in your need to take someone to task over a comment about plastic models makes me feel like you're the troll, just one who believes his own bullshit. If you can't guess what he meant by 'manly' in this context, no one can help you and you're just looking for a fight.
What could work is if the Eightbound were just created prior to battle. They performed some ritual or something and thus haven't had time to fully mutate yet. You could play on that with the Exalted too were when certain criteria are hit for the Eightbound (kill X models, take X wounds, etc..) they mutate mid battle and become Exalted. Since the two units mirror each other so well (same backpack trophies, same poses, etc..) I'm curious if that's what it might be?
I was never really a fan of the armour mutating on the possesses. I preferred some of the early artwork (before models for them had come out) which depicted them bursting out of their armour from the inside.
If you told me that these were eight Korn Berserkers who took a blood rite to become possessed by a single powerful demon, and that made them extra dangerous on the battlefield because they were essentially a single being, an Eightfold Possession if you will, that would have made sense.
You know what I noticed only from watching your rant about these guys? Is the fact the main torso and legs are the same between the eightbound and the exalted. Meaning the kit will make either 3 eightbound or 3 exalted, instead of what I first thought of them being two different kits.
I think they said on the stream that they are locked up in a cage until they are in control of the daemons and then released. That's why they don't show mutations. Then when they become one with their daemons they become more physically daemonic but are still in control.
Regular berzerker: "Hey Brian, what happened to your backpack? Wasn't it a different material before the Warp travel?" Now Eightbound Brian: "Don't ask."
GW doesn't actually stick to this. Hence why Plague marines have spikes and stuff when nurgle doesn't give you stuff, just keeps you alive when you should be long dead.
Rumors going around that there were production issues. Little shadowy whispers that this might be the case, and that originally the Eightbound were only supposed to be one unit, and the World Eaters release as a whole was supposed to be larger and more significant. Still, apparently they just couldn't get all the models ready on time. Might explain how bizarrely sparse this release is, with no terminators and no daemon engines, and no hqs. So the rest of them are coming in a second wave sometime in the indeterminate future. Absolutely nothing to suggest it's true but it's mighty fine copium.
GW descirbed as being "barely resembling Space Marines" - the basic Possessed look less like Space marines...Space wolves look less like Space Marines. Also being Eightbound but maxed at 6 models per unit tut tut
They look pretty much like how I thought all Berserkers look like. Remove the wire veins and the odd puny chaos growth and they look like loyalist space marines.
I quite agree with most of your points! However there's one thing that gives me some pause, and that's Plague Marines. They are not possessed, but they're very messed up by the particular influence of their patron god. Could it be that these Eightborn show a more Khorne-flavoured possession? Still, I do agree they could look a bit more monstruous. That said, I like the models and some of the arm options do look properly possessed to me!
THANK YOU. I had the same questions. My going theory is the models were supposed to be swapped in the marketing material. The messed-up ones are regular Ochobound, and the non-deformed ones are the Extra Ochobound or whatever. Marketing didn’t read or understand the email fully, so here we are.
The standard possessed marines are soldiers which failed to keep control and had there body taken from them. The 1st eightbound are marines who have lots of demons inside him, granting him power but not able to keep control at all yet. The exalted are the marines who won and now control the eight demons, with all their powers. If they fail then standard possessed. It's a gradual fight and then transformation.
As wierd as this may sound it kinda makes sense khorne is known for having the least extreme mutations like angron looks less changed then mortarion. Khorne is recorded in lore for granting the fewest boons and mutations so it kinda makes sense.
You raise some excellent points. I wanted my possessed iron warriors to have dominated their Daemons and all I had to do was give them human heads. Instant human Daemons. It's the faces of these guys that make them significantly less Daemonic.
Just use the normal Possesed models lmao. They look like actual Possesed. I personally welcome our World Eaters cousins to the "god-specific legion dicked over by GW" club. Your TSons cousins welcome you with open arms/tentacles.
Concept for any kitbashers out there: the 8 deamons are fighting each other, but they’re doing so via parts of the body Like Godrick the grafted from elden ring but the arms are literally sword fighting each other; like, 2 bloodletter type deamons erupting out of the marine’s back and they’re trying to shiv one another
The Gal Vorbak had two forms according to the lore, 1 every day look where they fit in with other marines and then 2. a battle form which is what we see on the model
My impression was that the eightfold didn't mutate as heavily as they are internally battling 8 daemons at once, and that they maintained their body through sheer force of will and bloodlust. Like a possessed looks like a possessed because the marine is basically gone, like a catatonic passenger while a daemon takes the wheel, but an eightbound is still in the driver's seat. The exalted, by extension, have bonded with their daemons to the point it's impossible to tell where the marine ends and the daemons begin.
I think a cross between 8 bound and the new possesed mins would look great, but I’m not heaps big fan of these new ones 😞 I think they could have done better, I don’t think they put any of the blood letters in the new codex either from what I heard which is a shame if it’s true, I heard somewhere that it points u towards the demons codex so u need both
Hah, I hadn't even thought of how the models don't fit the explanation, but you're right. I think I was distracted by how silly the idea of *eight* is regardless of what the models look like. It feels a bit like a young child making a story up. "And then... they're like berzerkers but um, they're possessed!" "Oh yeah?" "Yeah! But um... but like, by EIGHT demons!" I'm just kind of disappointed by the lost opportunity to get some really cool, creative new stuff. Instead we've got berzerkers, "plus" berzerkers and "double plus" berserkers.
And what makes the least sense of all is that these are a separate unit from the generic possessed, and that Khorne's poor boys just don't get their old unique terminators.
I guess the idea here is that they are strong enough to simply bind the demons inside of them, acessing the power but staying in control of their body. But what really grinds my gears with these is the weird ass armour. It looks like a chaos version of gravus, sorta hybrid between a regular marine and a terminator.
When I heard the lore for the eightbound I was expecting them to be massive, mutated brutes like obliterators or daemon princes. I was very disappointed, not because I don’t like the models, but because they make zero sense.
I think they’d have been well served to have NOT used the word “possessed” and the like, but to have focused on the difference between daemons bound into a person (binding implying restrictions and certain controls upon the subject) and more normal possession by daemons.
Weren't there daemon hosts that the inquisition uses that weren't horribly flesh bag gribbly bit piles? Maybe something to do with how they are bound? I dunno, could be I'm remembering those models wrong.
Its always been a thing with khorne that he doesn't really mutate you, instead he just bulks you up and makes you stronger and faster, so i am happy with this
@@wyattarthur5275 it is absolutely true, he doesnt give you NO mutations, but he's known for, out of all the chaos gods, mutating his followers the least, and if he does mutate his followers, its usually with weapon hands. The existance of exceptions doesnt mean its not true
They could have just called them Khorne elites, or the World Eater version of Chosen? They certainly don't have terminator plate, so not a Red Butcher equivalent for sure.
I might be wrong but are the basic one not just recently possessed and are fighting the deamons so resisting their corruption. Plus I imagine the 8 deamons are fighting themselves as well? The bigger guys who are one with their deamons are in control so not allowing random mutations you see in other possessed. Plus in other possessed marines is the deamon not in control over the marine? That’s what my logic is for the much less possessed look.
I agree with you that both the Eightbound and Exalted Eightbound should look a lot more possessed than they do. However, it makes sense that the Exalted are more twisted than the regular Eightbound, since merging with a daemon (or eight of them) means they're no longer trying to suppress them. Argel Tal and the Gal Vorback are merged with their daemons. If anything, I think the Exalted Eightbound should look like they bully Greater Possessed out of their lunch money on the daily.
The 8 demons spend all their time fighting eachother inside the eightbound that they counteract eachother's mutations. By the time one wins its too exhausrted to properly mutate the host
And once they have dominated the eight they are able to control the mutation. If they fail they become spawn.
Like a Chaotic version of Mr Burns's Three Stooges Syndrome.
The regular possessed are the result of when the host has lost controll to the demon. In the Eightbound models (not exalted) that struggle is ongoing, if they lost that battle they would look like possessed. So, at least how I understand it, the way this is represented in the Eightbound is in two stages; Model version 1 = the struggle where no clear winner has been decided. Model version 2 (exalted eightbound) is when that struggle is done and the marine was the victor over the demons.
This was my thought as well lol
Good idea, unfortunately you're not paid by GW, haha.
Eightbound... because Seven bindings is lacking in bindings; and nine bindings is just extravagant.
...khornes number?
While six bindings is way too few.
@@sarahhillary7698 Way too few! Like you see someone walking down the street with six bindings, and they're like all: "Hey! You need to get some more bindings!"
Also seven is nurgle's number
@@SuperOmegaBerserker 8 Demons + One Astartes makes? Right. Tzeentch's Number.
GW - let’s put 8 demons in them
Someone else - why?
GW - coz 8 is khorne
Someone else - ok 🤷♂️
and the problem with that is... now they have 9 souls in their body forever which is not khornes number
@@Koleisus Just… as… planned…
Producer Guy: "That works."
@@youdontneedtoseehisidentif4939 laughs in birb
The eight bound would probably be better as world eaters chosen
I can only explain this by supposing the daemons were little piss daemons. Like equivalent to furies or brimstone horrors. 8 bloodletters is just nuts though.
Yeah, 8 warp cockroaches sounds about right.
No, no, Cockroaches are a Slaaneshi Daemon. Khorne has Bloodroaches
@@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054I see what you did there
@@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 So does that mean Nurgle has PusRoaches? Tzeentch has ChangeRoaches? Malal has Bug Spray?
I want little piss daemons in me 🥵🥵🥵
In defense of the Eightbound vs Exalted Eightbound - think about Argel Tal's beginnings. When they returned from the Eye after he was possessed by a Khorne Daemon, his appearance was unchanged for years while it whispered to him and the Heresy was stirring up. And then after the awakening of the Gal Vorbak when the Heresy began, he mutated into the form we see in the new miniature.
Yes, but they way I read that is they were biding their time and waiting until the moment was right, the pieces were put into play rather than the daemons… maturing.
Even if that's the case, there's a problem there. First, it means every one of the Eighbound is somehow able to keep not one but EIGHT daemons under control when a First Captain from a legion that devoted its time to studying lore and daemonology struggled to do it with just one. That's also ignoring the fact that the Warp and its entities were far less powerful in the material world at that point. Raum would also take over from Argel Tal when his emotions overwhelmed him. So what we're saying here is somehow the Eightbound are cool headed enough to keep EIGHT daemons under control, but aggressive enough to climb the ranks of the World Eaters ? They are somehow calmer and more able than Argel Tal even with the Butcher's Nails hammered into their skulls, pulsating pure rage, and that somehow doesn't awaken the eight daemons of a blood god ?
The deamon wasn’t god related ,most daemons/ neverborn aren’t. I know nerd moment 🤓
The Gal Vorbak were also known for being able to shift in and out of their possessed forms at will. It was a true symbiotic exchange between both beings unlike the half assed possession rituals of modern 40k
He mutated in combat though. He only looked normal when he wasnt on the battlefield, to hide that the corruption was worse than it looked. On the battlefield he and the rest looked like monsters. These models are clearly not sitting around playing a game of Evil Regicide.
Maybe they're possessed by 8 of the Khorne equivalent of Nurglings?
or this is what happens when the designer's and fluff writers don't talk to each other...
Well the models are made before the lore is even considered so yeah. Yea he lore is an after thought
Possessed by the equivalent of eight fizzgigs
Now I don’t know a whole lot about the World Eaters, BUT I think the way it breaks down is that when one daemon possesses you, it mutates you and makes you into this terrifying thing. However, when you merge with eight daemons that are all fighting with one another, no one single daemon can control the host long enough to make lasting mutations.
It amazes me how these are basically the purest looking space marine models out there because of how much visible, completely uncorrupted skin there is but they're meant to be possessed by 8 daemons.
They are bound to daemons, not possessed.
Huuuuge difference in the lore.
See daemon weapons (bound daemons) vs daemonhost (possession)
Can we also talk about how they come in a packet of 3, and if I remember the leak they can be taken of a unit of 3 to 6.
6! The unit has "Eight" in the name, but you can max take them in a unit of 6!
It's geniusly lazy.
And you know who has 6 as their sacred number ? The one chaos god khorne hates the most.
The exalted might be only 2 in a unit which would bring it to 8 lol
Maybe they're possessed by 8 REALLY weak Khorne daemons, like some Khorne equivalent to Nurglings
The lesser rank of khorne is bloodletters...if u are possessed by 8 fucking bloodletters you are gonna be a mess of muscles horns and limbs not a dumb roided up marines
Greetings!
Preiss algorithm gods!
In warhammer fantasy exist "imps" Realy weak chaos demons. Khorne have them too. Khorne imp are caled "Malice"
Its funy to me.
I believe it’s just supposed to be 8 bloodletters.
Khornlings
@@darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 Khornlets. I like how the gods have different prefixes or whatever like khornate, slaaneshi, etc so maybe their little baby demons have similar tiny prefixes
- I've proved my worth in combat and mastered my inner deamons (8 of them to be exact). What is my reward, oh mighty Khorne?
- Eh... You get more possessed, I guess..
- .... wat
I imagine the idea is that, Khorne being about strength and all, that’s it’s about being the dominant entity in the body. These guys are so indomitable that they can take in 8 demons (which, we don’t know how powerful those demons are), and remain the dominant personality.
But maybe that’s just not good enough to excuse it.
The demons are blood letters, so yeah these guys are strong as hell
This entire World Eaters release in a nutshell. Missing most of the generic units the other Chaos codices can use, no unique Daemon engines, no Red Butchers... WTF was GW _thinking!??_
"Money"
- Mr Krabs GW probably
They weren't... not about the universe of warhammer 40k anyway.
100% agree with Kirioth. The normal eightbound just look like khorn lieutenants with stim packs or something
My interpretation is that that’s how they look right after escaping the brass box, and then they either master the deamons and become exalted, or get chaos spawned. So they are super short lived shock troops that either ascended or get blorged
i agree its dumb. It should of been the Red Butchers (world eaters elite terminators) rather than these. I have no idea why they didnt do it considering they did it for Tsons and Death Guard
They had no time. These are made using assets from the Berzerkers box. They copied/pasted at the last second and added what mutations they could before they had to move on to the next thing. I think we might finally be seeing the consequences of the lockdowns here.
I choose my head-cannon that the mortal bodies of the Eightbound maintain their looks because they are the dominant soul in the body, as if he dominated the demons in their body and uses their power to juice himself in the form he finds is the strongest for his style of warfare. As for the exalted versions, they work together to find a comprimise that allows the daemon to grant more power and thus, mutation.
That's good!
Like, Argel Tal was much better at balancing the possession, but 10,000 years later, everyone has learned how to maintain the possession.
Maybe the Butcher's Nails give them more "control"?
@@jossypoo Control wouldn't be the right word. I see it being more like an ''I take your strength for myself because you are too weak to use it properly'' kind of situation, the daemons are still there, but their host dominates them. The exalted would be more of like ''You and I are equally worthy of this body, lets combine our strength and our forms to gore and ravage the unworthy''
They said that the eightbound are still in control of their own body. The marine is fighting with the daemons, and they are fighting with eachother. The daemons are not in a symbiotic relationship and not in control of the body. That at least was my interpretation.
That makes a bit more sense I guess? I dunno, it just feels like a weird concept overall to me now.
Ditto, not to mention Khornes mutations often just look stronger and buffer (like Khârn) rather the Slaaneshes pincers, Tzeenches birdness and Nurgles pustules and tentacles.
And yea, with the nails and all it really wouldn’t surprise me if it was far more symbiotic and mutual then parasitic like regular possessed
It's poorly communicated in terms of visual ques. Surely you can just use standard khorne bezerkers if that was the case. Reminds me of the old "I can move faster than the speed of light. See? I just did it, too fast for you to spot" joke.
@@clinch4402 True I guess that I may be biased. The image of a World eater constantly fighting a mental war, to stay in control and preventing his body to mutate to much just sounds really cool to me. And if a daemon were to take over do the other 7 bow down or do they start going after the one in control of the body. I can see the daemons acting as checks for eachother preventing any one of them staying in control for very long. But this may be explained in the codex or it may not but as I said I really like the consept of a marine preventing the Daemons from mutating his body through sheer will.
@@tobiashaglund8896 I'm lost with this attempt at an explanation. A World Eater has the nails infused into their brain and they're somehow resisting the will of 8 daemons?
"they have 8 demons inside them"
slaanesh joke in 3,2,1....
Maybe they where possessed by really nice looking demon's.
I guess the Eightbound could do for some enhanced soldiers for the Creations of Bile, they certainly look like they've been under the Spider's knife for a while.
I am disappointed by the lack of world eaters terminators and lord on foot.
I like the explanation on stream which is that the anger, rage, willpower allows the World Eaters to better control the strength and mutations. the exalted Eightbounf represent a perfect symbiotic relationship.
That makes sense
Even then though the Exalted lads are still using normal weapons (just stuck into their hands, in two cases) and are just like... a bit bigger? I just feel like the visual representation of the idea behind them is really lacking I guess
@@Kirioth oh I agree. I think it’s just that possession in 40k has been confusing as hell. Consider the fact some Daemons can perfectly hide their mutations or other situations can be invoke. Look at the original Word Bearers possession was done differently. Their is also some examples of the users overpowering the demons to maintain a least mutated form.
I totally agree. The new models look fine - not great but fine. What is letting them all down is the back story. I feel the same is true for Vashtoor, the model is ok but he is a "demi"god of chaos taking energy from the universe because people do evil things by inventing stuff. We invent a gun (evil), we invent a new crop (evil), some idiot "invents" a new perfume (has to be evil). Fine (well not really, I mean come on it isn't exact rider of the Apocalypse level is it: Famine, War, Pestilence and DEATH, oh and Vashi "people made something bad"), but why does he want to compete with the big boys. OK so he's a demigod but he wants to be a god on the level of death and war, or hedonism or decay and rot or magic and chaos. I mean when I'm thinking of the really bad things in the world and people are dying of the plague, I don't stop and say "no I should look on the bright side because someone might "invent" something".
The back story in all of the new stuff is just awful and doesn't fit with the 40K universe. Have they sacked all the good story writers and got some Exec's 5 year old to knock up the story. I hope they get it sorted before they do an Emperor's Children book - I don't want marines with super strong left arms because they've been watching too much adult material - wait that might work better than this rubbish. GW I'm copyrighting the concept of "Heavy weapon bishop bashers"!!! 😂😂😂
Tbh if they set up Vashtor as a being that’s amoral rather than evil, he’d be a lot cooler. After all, lifesaving medicine and the nuclear bomb are technically both products of innovation.
@@samueltitone5683 Yes but neither are necessarily amoral or evil or good. They are just objects. I'm not sure if someone used an A bomb if it would be blood for the blood god or decay and disease of radioactive poisoning. Why not just have him as the opposite of Belisarius Cawl from when Mars Admech fought one another. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. While I'm not sure that everyone having guns is something I'd advocate the general premise is valid and I don't see how that would generate energy or creatures in the warp. Oh well at least the model is cool.
I'm guessing the Possessed of all other marines are like... the Daemon has won, and has mutated the host to look like that? While the Eightbound are having a constant mental battle against the Daemons in them, making them suppremely pissed off. And the Exalted Eightbound are like... World Eaters Gal Vorbak?
Its like in The Simpsons where Mr Burns has all the sickness and the viruses end up blocking eachother
Three Stooges Syndrome
Eh, maybe the eight daemons (plus human(-ish) soul) are constantly infighting, so they don’t have the energy to, y’know, [ _Chaos Spawn noises_ ]..?
(I do think that they Eightbound look good as ‘zerkers, though)
I would just swap those heads with a Bloodletters. Done.
Honestly it's a lot easier to change the narrative than change the miniature. I'd just call them Chosen of Khorne. It's basically what they already are.
I think they explained in a stream (I think the release stream) that an Eightbound doesn't mutate because the fighting of the eight demons inside the Eightbound counteract each other's mutations and the body of the Eightbound only mutates when either one of the eight demons has gained control of the body or the Soul of Eightbound dominates the eight demons.
I agree with you. My head Canon is that it is a berserker champion. When he’s put in the box the eighth demons are lesser demons like Bloodletters and blood masters. He beats them in a dream scape warp battle and absorbs their souls. These eight lesser demons give The berserker of the boost in power & endurance, leading them through battle and keeping them in check while spilling blood for Khorne gets you exalted. Kind of like in the Horus heresy when Argel Tao’s armor slowly changed over time. I still remember when Karn asked him Can you no longer remove your armor or takeoff your helm?
8 demons trapped in a mind hooked up to the butchers nails..... The poor demons!
i have two ideas: 1) because khorne hates magic, his chosen possessed are less mutated because mutations are tzeentches thing, and khorne wants manly possessed, because honor and stuff. 2) the text seems to suggest that the eightbound is still fighting the eight deamons inside him so he is less mutated because he is not yet fully taken over, he's just insane.
Manly possessed? What does that even mean? Are you saying that the Gal Vorback weren't "manly"? Whatever that's supposed to mean.
@@EchoMirage72 well... given that the gal vorbak were thos word bearers who just gave in instead of the three who resisted - yeah gal vorbak are not manly, quit the opposite :D
@@fredericfischer5897 oh... you're a troll and not actually wanting to engage in the discussion.
The fact that you're seemingly so aggressive in your need to take someone to task over a comment about plastic models makes me feel like you're the troll, just one who believes his own bullshit. If you can't guess what he meant by 'manly' in this context, no one can help you and you're just looking for a fight.
@@TheLH86 🤣🤣 ... It seems someone got upset because someone else was held to account for a shitty comment.
All eight demons decided to only possess the marines' backpacks...
What could work is if the Eightbound were just created prior to battle. They performed some ritual or something and thus haven't had time to fully mutate yet. You could play on that with the Exalted too were when certain criteria are hit for the Eightbound (kill X models, take X wounds, etc..) they mutate mid battle and become Exalted. Since the two units mirror each other so well (same backpack trophies, same poses, etc..) I'm curious if that's what it might be?
Thank you. I was thinking the exact same when I saw them. Even the armor isn't even that much more mutated than standard chaos marine armor.
I was never really a fan of the armour mutating on the possesses. I preferred some of the early artwork (before models for them had come out) which depicted them bursting out of their armour from the inside.
They clearly explain it in the article and the livestream.
@@harryknapper1133 Nurgle's schtick has always been having second belly mouths. If you don't call that a mutation, then I don't know what is.
there's 8 demons stooging at the door so none of them can really get in there and change much
If you told me that these were eight Korn Berserkers who took a blood rite to become possessed by a single powerful demon, and that made them extra dangerous on the battlefield because they were essentially a single being, an Eightfold Possession if you will, that would have made sense.
This. Feels like it was lore written by somebody trying to parody 40k.
I’m more surprised that the figures have 0 marks of Khorne on their bodies, A focus of the possession.
You know what I noticed only from watching your rant about these guys?
Is the fact the main torso and legs are the same between the eightbound and the exalted. Meaning the kit will make either 3 eightbound or 3 exalted, instead of what I first thought of them being two different kits.
I think they said on the stream that they are locked up in a cage until they are in control of the daemons and then released. That's why they don't show mutations. Then when they become one with their daemons they become more physically daemonic but are still in control.
The thing about them looking unrecognizable to just a huuuge exaggeration then
@@kinoman4875 I guess so 🤣
Regular berzerker: "Hey Brian, what happened to your backpack? Wasn't it a different material before the Warp travel?"
Now Eightbound Brian: "Don't ask."
Khorne doesn't like demonmutations (Codex 8. Edition). He keeps the relativly unchanged but makes them a lot stronger and more angry.
GW doesn't actually stick to this. Hence why Plague marines have spikes and stuff when nurgle doesn't give you stuff, just keeps you alive when you should be long dead.
6:43..... Demons love playing videogames, hence the hands being totally human while the feet are not. ;)
I'll probably 3d print some heads and arms for them to Chaosify them up a bit.
I think GW meant they are possessed with 8 different types of steroids. Not by 8 daemons.
I’m convinced they came up with the lore for these guys After designing them as I cannot fathom another explanation other than lack of care
It's the year 40k my dude, you can now enjoy the gifts of chaos and still look good for the cameras
The gave us these instead of Red Butchers. Let that sink in.
what they meant to say was eight space marines infused with a single demon lmao
I feel like rule of cool applies here. Do they look cool? Yea. Alright I'm in
Rumors going around that there were production issues. Little shadowy whispers that this might be the case, and that originally the Eightbound were only supposed to be one unit, and the World Eaters release as a whole was supposed to be larger and more significant. Still, apparently they just couldn't get all the models ready on time. Might explain how bizarrely sparse this release is, with no terminators and no daemon engines, and no hqs. So the rest of them are coming in a second wave sometime in the indeterminate future.
Absolutely nothing to suggest it's true but it's mighty fine copium.
GW descirbed as being "barely resembling Space Marines" - the basic Possessed look less like Space marines...Space wolves look less like Space Marines.
Also being Eightbound but maxed at 6 models per unit tut tut
What you said about the models and lore being written by different people/teams is exactly how it does work
They look pretty much like how I thought all Berserkers look like. Remove the wire veins and the odd puny chaos growth and they look like loyalist space marines.
We could have gotten Red Butchers, but no, Khorne flavoured Possessed that look less possessed than the regular ones.
Red Butchers will probably be an upgrade kit, khorne hates mutations and shit so a red butchers kit would just be a khorny looking terminator
I quite agree with most of your points! However there's one thing that gives me some pause, and that's Plague Marines. They are not possessed, but they're very messed up by the particular influence of their patron god. Could it be that these Eightborn show a more Khorne-flavoured possession?
Still, I do agree they could look a bit more monstruous. That said, I like the models and some of the arm options do look properly possessed to me!
THANK YOU. I had the same questions.
My going theory is the models were supposed to be swapped in the marketing material. The messed-up ones are regular Ochobound, and the non-deformed ones are the Extra Ochobound or whatever. Marketing didn’t read or understand the email fully, so here we are.
Argal Tal raises his eyebrow "you needed eight for that?"
The standard possessed marines are soldiers which failed to keep control and had there body taken from them. The 1st eightbound are marines who have lots of demons inside him, granting him power but not able to keep control at all yet. The exalted are the marines who won and now control the eight demons, with all their powers. If they fail then standard possessed. It's a gradual fight and then transformation.
Perhaps….. they *were* possessed by 8 daemons….. and they’ve moved on…..?
Ah yes, the Dispossessed. Not to be confused with the Repossessed.
Think of it this way:
The 8 bound are the successful products that don’t end up as spawns, or protospawns.
As wierd as this may sound it kinda makes sense khorne is known for having the least extreme mutations like angron looks less changed then mortarion. Khorne is recorded in lore for granting the fewest boons and mutations so it kinda makes sense.
* slaps top of space marine * this bad boy can fit so many daemons in him
Maybe the 8 daemons are the Knorne equivalent of Nurglings" To join the Eight Bound Club you must chug 8 Juice boxes of Rage brand energy drink.
You raise some excellent points. I wanted my possessed iron warriors to have dominated their Daemons and all I had to do was give them human heads. Instant human Daemons. It's the faces of these guys that make them significantly less Daemonic.
Just use the normal Possesed models lmao. They look like actual Possesed. I personally welcome our World Eaters cousins to the "god-specific legion dicked over by GW" club. Your TSons cousins welcome you with open arms/tentacles.
Concept for any kitbashers out there: the 8 deamons are fighting each other, but they’re doing so via parts of the body
Like Godrick the grafted from elden ring but the arms are literally sword fighting each other; like, 2 bloodletter type deamons erupting out of the marine’s back and they’re trying to shiv one another
I'm guessing all eight daemons are too busy fighting each other that they don't have the time to mutate the host.
By the time the mutations start to appear the famous world eater tactics will have gotten the eightbound killed
The Gal Vorbak had two forms according to the lore, 1 every day look where they fit in with other marines and then 2. a battle form which is what we see on the model
Well, khorne's all about honour. I'd guess their lack of mutations is basically just "mad respect yo"
These are the "go large for 50p" berserkers.
‘They stayed at the gym longer than the others’ 😂😂😂
My impression was that the eightfold didn't mutate as heavily as they are internally battling 8 daemons at once, and that they maintained their body through sheer force of will and bloodlust.
Like a possessed looks like a possessed because the marine is basically gone, like a catatonic passenger while a daemon takes the wheel, but an eightbound is still in the driver's seat.
The exalted, by extension, have bonded with their daemons to the point it's impossible to tell where the marine ends and the daemons begin.
100% agree, these guys make me think bloodletters are chumps and 8 of them struggle to mutate a single marine.
I hope they're holding the really freaky stuff for Emperors children when they eventually show up.
the 8 daemons are all stuck in the doorway like the three stooges
Come now Kiri, that first one clearly grew some toenails
I think a cross between 8 bound and the new possesed mins would look great, but I’m not heaps big fan of these new ones 😞 I think they could have done better, I don’t think they put any of the blood letters in the new codex either from what I heard which is a shame if it’s true, I heard somewhere that it points u towards the demons codex so u need both
The 25% allies rule for sure wack
Simple, this demons fight themselves, leaving body unchanged.
Here’s a reason: with possessed the Demons are in charge and with 8 bound the marine is JUST in charge.
"or they could be big and beefy because they had an infusion of daemon blood"....someone at GW "Doh! why didn't I think of that!!!" 😀
Hah, I hadn't even thought of how the models don't fit the explanation, but you're right. I think I was distracted by how silly the idea of *eight* is regardless of what the models look like. It feels a bit like a young child making a story up. "And then... they're like berzerkers but um, they're possessed!" "Oh yeah?" "Yeah! But um... but like, by EIGHT demons!" I'm just kind of disappointed by the lost opportunity to get some really cool, creative new stuff. Instead we've got berzerkers, "plus" berzerkers and "double plus" berserkers.
And what makes the least sense of all is that these are a separate unit from the generic possessed, and that Khorne's poor boys just don't get their old unique terminators.
I guess the idea here is that they are strong enough to simply bind the demons inside of them, acessing the power but staying in control of their body.
But what really grinds my gears with these is the weird ass armour. It looks like a chaos version of gravus, sorta hybrid between a regular marine and a terminator.
This, thanks for bringing up my main problem with them!
Spot on,
I'm not filled with hope for the codex.
Tripe rewrapped in old fish.
I just thought they were the tanky berserkers I didn’t even know they were supposed to be possessed
Personally i suspect the sculptor was given a different prompt to what the eightbound ended up being
My guess is someone was staring at Kharn’s 30k model for too. Could pass for Heresy era world eaters without the armor.
When I heard the lore for the eightbound I was expecting them to be massive, mutated brutes like obliterators or daemon princes. I was very disappointed, not because I don’t like the models, but because they make zero sense.
I think they’d have been well served to have NOT used the word “possessed” and the like, but to have focused on the difference between daemons bound into a person (binding implying restrictions and certain controls upon the subject) and more normal possession by daemons.
Weren't there daemon hosts that the inquisition uses that weren't horribly flesh bag gribbly bit piles? Maybe something to do with how they are bound? I dunno, could be I'm remembering those models wrong.
Its always been a thing with khorne that he doesn't really mutate you, instead he just bulks you up and makes you stronger and faster, so i am happy with this
That's not even remotely true
@@wyattarthur5275 it is absolutely true, he doesnt give you NO mutations, but he's known for, out of all the chaos gods, mutating his followers the least, and if he does mutate his followers, its usually with weapon hands. The existance of exceptions doesnt mean its not true
@@wyattarthur5275 it’s true, mutations are the other three’s thing, and Khorne hates those bitches
They could have just called them Khorne elites, or the World Eater version of Chosen? They certainly don't have terminator plate, so not a Red Butcher equivalent for sure.
I might be wrong but are the basic one not just recently possessed and are fighting the deamons so resisting their corruption. Plus I imagine the 8 deamons are fighting themselves as well? The bigger guys who are one with their deamons are in control so not allowing random mutations you see in other possessed. Plus in other possessed marines is the deamon not in control over the marine?
That’s what my logic is for the much less possessed look.
Fully on your side with this, Kiri.
Maybe the deamons are to busy eating the soul of the marine to outwardly manifest?
I agree with you that both the Eightbound and Exalted Eightbound should look a lot more possessed than they do. However, it makes sense that the Exalted are more twisted than the regular Eightbound, since merging with a daemon (or eight of them) means they're no longer trying to suppress them. Argel Tal and the Gal Vorback are merged with their daemons.
If anything, I think the Exalted Eightbound should look like they bully Greater Possessed out of their lunch money on the daily.
Nah Nah nah...its like the "germ door" joke from the simpsons