French schools send home girls wearing banned abaya robe - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2023
- A number of schoolgirls in France have been sent home, after arriving wearing the abaya - a long Muslim robe which was banned from schools in the country last week.
According to official figures, 298 girls - mainly aged 15 or more - turned up at school in the banned garment, and while most agreed to change and were allowed to attend classes, 67 girls refused to comply and were sent home.
It comes after the education minister announced that pupils would be banned from wearing the loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women in France's state-run schools, as part of the nation’s strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.
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As a Turkish man i support France in this situatuon. If European woman cant go outside without scarf in Islamic country , a foreigner woman shouldnt wear her scarf in France. If you want to live Islam go to Afghanistan. You gonna live your religion in real Islamic country not in EU
That's why we love Turkish people 😊
@@ItalMiser117Ataturl pasha has indeed made Turkey a wonderful country
School uniform for everyone, no exceptions.
@@RT-News-android-appthe brightest solid pink you can find
😂😂 would never happen in the US
so basically, take off your garment that covers your modesty and throw on a tiny skirt so the potential perverts can get a good looking up
Oh, and don’t forget a fuzzy pair of knee-high leggings to keep you cozy & warm in the colder months 😅
What a complete joke!
Girls just go online!
I would never compromise my freedom of belief for any creature on this planet 😂😂
No need for school uniforms.
It is an expensive nonsense.
Fascist.
No
If they come to France, abide by the country's laws and customs.
Will u do the same in other countries and also mind your own business in other countries...by the way leave Africa and Canada it ain't your..when u do that and stop your imperialism..then fine we will do the same...ignorance is bliss
Did France abide Africa law ?
Nobody want France in Africa
Even niger nigeria burcina fascio.....
Abiding by French law doesn't mean that you cant even choose what to wear. The French government doesn't have the right to tell its citizens what to wear on thier own bodies
@@Muhammad_Ahmad_like Qatar did with people wearing lgbt flag on their t-shirt you meant ?
@@Muhammad_Ahmad_they just did mate.
Our clothes were dictated to us at the school I went to. We had to wear school uniform. The purpose being that it put all pupils on a level pegging, regardless of background. No reason to judge each other on anything other than character and behavior. It worked fairly well.
Exactly 💯
It also cut down on bullying. Those who dress differently at school can be picked on.
@@WestVirginia1959 Sadly, yes, kids (and unfortunately even some adults) will always look for differences and use those to bully others. It did help to reduce opportunities for bullies.
Those schoolgirls should escape from racist France and seek asylum in Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia . . . .
@@user-84-rg9-8n2 if only you liberal elites would stop sanctioning and invading
Society decides cultural norms. How is France banning abaya robes any different from Muslim countries requiring ex-pats and tourists to follow their dress codes (headscarves, etc.)? If you want to live/work/study in a country, shouldn't you have to assimilate to a reasonable degree? Otherwise, what is the point in moving/migrating to a different culture?
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Absolutely. Let them ban all long sleeve dresses. Completely inappropriate for these white women to be wearing these long sleeve dresses as well. We must all dress the same in the same grey jumpsuit to be truly equal!
So Italians should take their food back to Italy?
France claims to be a liberal society, muslim countries dont
They they should be honest and say all students are required to dress to Christian standards of dress and decency and no other, because they are breaching article 18 of the UDHR that they helped draft.
They always have an option to attend private religious schools where they can practice whatever
Wearing an abaya doesn't mean they're practicing infront of ppl, it's just the way some women wanna dress. It's absurd how men wanna control that too
True!
@maisundergroundasmrisleng5061 christians are not allowed to express any religious items, and they are natives not immigrants
Poor families don't have the option to send their children to private schools.
@kaiser1295 allegedly islam is so compationate that oil money would flow towards such devout believers, their own countries they came from are cheap anyway
If teachers or kids cannot wear a cross to school then this should be no different.
They can wear a small cross though which does go against their secular views but yeah French government is okay with that and not okay with any other religions
Or that Jewish little hat. I think their approach of being completely secular in a plublic school is fair enough. Don't like it, move to some islamic country problem solved.
@@rtyuu999It is still illegal. French aren't making this law to Muslims only. Sikh can't wear turban, Jews can't wear kipas, Hindus can't wear bindi, Buddhists can't have a figure of Buddha.
@@askosefamerve
And it’s a blatant perversion of secularism.
It’s the state that has to be secular, Citizens have freedom of religion.
Its very different. There is no rule about having to wear a cross in Christianity and this is JUST clothes. It should not matter. Clothes are not harmful.
France have balls. Religion and school should be away from each other.
How is a girl wearing an abaya forcing Islam on other people?
@@kaiser1295If no one can wear a religious dress or symbol, this also applies to Muslims.
@@askosefamervebro, muslims don't shy to look different
one should exist, one shouldn't... education is ok, religion is about the polar opposite unfortunately.
@@kaiser1295its a symbol of non compliance. Schools have dress codes. 🇬🇧
If you move to another country you need to follow their laws not make your own up
Especially when the laws are made after you move their (most were born there) to harm you. Lol. These laws didn't exist, they have now made them to specifically target Muslim women. Nice try though.
@@hanzalaomar9915They just expanded those laws to muslims. They had already existed for other religions, why should muslims be special?
@@hanzalaomar9915 When you are in a Muslim country, there's certain dress code that westerners have to follow in public places as well. Nice try though.
@@vic3929 Yes, as if making people cover up and stripping people are the same thing. It's like comparing market to a brothel.
Most people (over 6 billion) have no problem with covering up but very few would accept being forced to strip.
Western countries were all Secular separate from religious political agenda ..They cripped it in from 80s with various diversions including Sharea bit by bit with bless of Woke lot in power .Agenda to undermine and push Ethnic communities into segregation and block cohesion. Racial purity upkeep is the core matter of English state motives .You see alot less mix marriages in compare with decades ago and overall unions anyway .Anti family too these Neo Nazi lot
I feel like enforcing school uniform in schools would achieve the french government’s goal of secularity without hyper-focusing on certain groups of people and alienating them in this way… I think the uk has a nice balance in that everyone looks much the same in school but laws regarding religious accessories/ clothing are not so pervasive and particular. But I do understand this is something of a cornerstone of French identity, to be secular, and would be interested to hear the public opinion on this new mandate.
It's because the French secularism freedom from religion meaning that anything religious is a no go, be it a turban, cross, etc
@@jubal6654 You keep writing that but it is not true. There is no right in France to not be exposed to any religion, only that it can not impose or deny religious practice on public life. You know... what this law does.
@@obsidianjane4413 you are confusing freedom of religion and freedom from religion
It was birth from the revolution since at the time the state and the church hold so much power as one, it seeked a society freed from the crutch of religion and it's chacales, they went so far as trying to make their own calender since the calender we use (the gregorian calender) is built uppon a Christian foundation. Freedom from religion is that you are freed from the indoctrination of religion itself
Is this something good?
Hell nah! And we are seeing why this extreme idea is a bad one right in front of us
Just stating that this isn't anything new and Muslims getting surprised about this when moving to France just shows their ignorance
We have school uniforms here in Australia, and everyone accepts it. Considered part of the education system. The Islamic clothing is accepted, nobody worries about it.
@@jubal6654"Freedom from religion" sounds so condescending. Who decides what's freedom? How about someone chatting up with a 11-year old, saying, "I want you to enjoy freedom from your parents. I want you to enjoy the freedom from wearing clothes".
Every ardent preacher preaches that his religion will give the listener the "freedom from all other religions."
The type of secularism they insist on is itself a fanatical religion (not all followers are) itself, against all other.
But the b*llsh*t can work as a fertilizer for poppy plants for some addicts.
Ever wondered why we wear a very specific attire when we graduate?
The graduation gown also known as the subfusc and the flat hat with the tassels also called the mortar board.
History has a lot to tell us about the massive influence the Islamic civilization had on the making of the modern world.
Did you know that the first university in Europe was established by the Muslims in 841 AD, in the city of Salerno (Italy). It was an extension of the Muslim universities in the east.
So when the students (non Muslims from Europe) learned and graduated from these universities and returned to their lands, they used to dress in Muslim robes (Thawb or Qamees) and that would become an indication that this particular student graduated from the university of the Muslims. This imitation of wearing the Arab / Muslim garb (which is baggy and wide in design) has stayed with them to this day and spread all across the world.
You Islamist really make everything about you 😂
False
Now I can see why they are banning it bcz ur religion have brainwashed them so much that they wore the imitation.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworkerJust "false?" no rebuttal or argument? Just going to deny a fact because you don't want it to be true?
The first university in europe was founded by muslims. Also, here's another fact, if it makes you feel any worse: The first university in the world was also founded by a muslim woman, in the city of Fes, Morocco.
@@Quirkydope how about you provide counter-argument instead of spewing that dumb comment i just read
That is France not any other country. Rules, Laws,must be followed..
France preaches freedom & democracy at home
but arms dictators and despots abroad.
😂 France is where bravery goes to die. Never baguette how they immediately surrender to everyone
Stop lying. I know you have surrender to our baguettes. 🤣🤣🤣
How are westerners saying wearing an abaya comparable to bikinis? Currently people can wear jeans, skirts, gowns all of which are all decent, what is the issue with an abaya that it can't be worn? Does it stop the student from learning maths?
Calm down muslim, the school ban anything clothing religion related, not islam’s clothing alone.
@@angkhoa1216 I'm not a Muslim. This particular ban is on Abaya's. I'm asking you , explain how wearing an Abaya affects a student's ability to learn maths
@@ronfishssronfishss1145because France has already banned clothes from many religions,it is just islamic dresses that is hard to ban from school because of controversy and destruction of public property comes after that.
Also it is about making students more equal,if one girls wear Abaya then other would see her as different maybe not all her friends but there would always be some kids who would differentiate her. Wearing a uniform eliminate all these,it is also the best solution to make school safe as racial discrimination is something which cannot be removed through a ban but religious or cultural discrimination can be removed.
@@thomaskennedy5728 yes there was a ban on various religious stuff. But not abayas. This particular ban was placed targeting Muslims. Again I'm asking, how does wearing an abaya stop you from learning maths?
@@ronfishssronfishss1145 fr ppl just don’t get iy
It is France it is their rules
In kenya every pupil, student wears uniform to school, every school has it's uniform, only in the university students can wear home gears. Uniform equalises everybody you take it or leave it.
Quran 67 20
@@Servant-Of-Al-Qudus no one cares quran in a educational school
@@TREX-fd8mq Research Muslims Reverts
@@TREX-fd8mq Research who started the first university
@@Servant-Of-Al-Qudus Nalanda university in india Worlds oldest university along with takshashila
Show me an Islamic school we’re I can wear a football jersey 😂😂
my own school. come here in bangladesh. you can wear that and no one will bother you.
But this isn't a Catholic school
@@nvmtt1403 nah I was not allowed to enter the jama masjid of Delhi by few authorities because I was wearing shorts even though I'm a boy. But they still didn't allowed me
@@nvmtt1403yes Bangladesh 🇧🇩 is very liberal. Like you can see So many Bangladeshi MMS videos viral online with wearing Hijab 🧕 on Sucking Dicks 😊
@@Judah_889but that is a mosque dummy not school
Good 👍 has No place in Western Countries
Keep religion to yourselves.
I never did much understand banning clothing. If you want them to wear something specific, I suggest creating a school uniform.
Young Girls today or at least in my area is all about wearing as little clothes as possible showing off as much skin as they can get away with it.
I think it’s refreshing to see a group of girls doing the complete opposite.
Yeah I mean, that’s quite common here in the UK. It doesn’t seem like school uniforms from a young age in France are at all as common for some reason.
I find it weird men getting so exercised about what women and girls wear. Mind your own business.
The vast majority of British schools already have a very strict uniform code, however these uniform rules don't apply to certain pupils who are still allowed to wear headscarves.
@@emilydavison2053it's an attempt to deter Muslims from immigrating to France....
it is not about abayas. Even long skirts. If a Muslim girl wears a Japanese Kimono or a Korean Hanbok, French govt will interpret it also as Abayas.
SO THEY TURN UP KNOWING ITS BANNED 😂 LONG LIVE FRANCE 🇫🇷 BRAVO ❤
I can remember several cases in Swedish news, where students had been allowed to even carry around swords in their belts, Sikh required religious sabers called Kirpan. Crazy.
so if i create a religion and make our little token or whatever you wanna call it a nuclear bomb, i suppose i now have the right to own and transport one with me wherever i go?
see,that's one of millions of reasons religion is incredibly stupid, giving it exemptions is just asking it to be weird and problematic.
And look where that got Sweden . Now Sweden is run by a right wing government with an extremist element.
Not crazy at all
Sikhs are pretty cool people but I can imagine the Kirpan falling into wrong hands.
Yes, no weapons should be at school
0:06 it is NOT an Islamic dress but simply a dress that Muslim women wear for modesty reasons prescribed in the Quran. Islam does not have “cultural or religious” symbols or clothing!
basically all women and men wore similar dresses/robes a few hundred years ago from christian Europe, to the Muslim world, to India and China and all other civilised peoples. christian colonisers from Europe would force nomadic/uncivilised people from the Americas to Africa to coverup and wear similar dresses BUT NOW the Europeans have a problem with modesty and especially modest Muslim women.
Isn’t the Quran a religious text??
They can be modest in a different dress that is not linked to a specific religion.
@@judykinsman3258they are not wearing Qurans are they!
@@lyndaek99headscarves are not linked to a particular religion either! they have been worn by ancient greeks, romans, jews, christians, Muslims and others.
Please 🤣🤣 show the same energy in Iran
BBC mustn't refer to any type of dress as Islamic or un-islamic. They may or not refer to cultural norms - nothing more nothing less.
When in Rome do as the Romans do. When in France do not wear the abaya. And if the obsession to wear it is compulsive then move to Afghanistan or Iran where they lash you for not wearing it.
In Afghanistan don't walk freely in that case without hijab
@@alitheonekhatarnak5163 nor in Iran.
So if you visited North Korea and seen people worship Kim Jung Un would you also do that
@@Sunset4633 If you're going to be audacious enough to mock a deity at least spell His name right. It's Kim JOng Un you blasphemer.
@@Sunset4633why visit North Korea in the first place when you know that they will make worship kim Jon un? It's like throwing yourself in fire knowing you'll be burned
298 girl's parents did not read the rules. Wow
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*girls' parents
Were you expelled from school too?
ur mad at girls wearing dresses lil guy
Ok grammar police, when you manage to have the same level of linguistic competency in your third of fourth language you can speak.
It is laughable to bring such a bad faith argument and play dumb pretending you didn't understood what it was expressed.
They read the rules but decided to take on the authorities because they knew that they were in France not Iran or other Middle Eastern countries.
Beautiful thing. Go France.
Spam on 30 accounts..
Congratulations.. 😂😂😂😂
Good for France i wish our government had the bottle to do the same here.
Indeed. 🇬🇧 👍
Are you that bothered with a simple garment?
I fear for women in the UK- I think we will be forced to wear those disgusting symbols of misogyny before long if this country continues committing woke suicide.
From what I've read the abaya robe seems to be more of a traditional rather than a religious garment. If you live and work in a country with different traditions/rules I think it's fair to be asked to make comprises to assimilate into local institutions. It's not like there's an outright ban on the abaya robe. You can still wear it at home and outside of schools etc.
I think it’s the forcing women to wear stuff. Let people wear what they want…as long as they’re getting an education.
you clearly don't understand, that the abaya is a form of clothing that meets the requirements of the religion dress code.
@@hmmmmm2634 Why should there be an exception for Muslims? No other religious group is allowed to wear religious clothing or symbols in French schools!
@@SenorSolgo to any school in the EU and you’ll see it isn’t just Muslims.
This is ridiculous. You people would NEVER put up with other countries banning our forms of dress. Imagine if they said women couldn't wear trousers in their country. What absolute shite.
Abide by the rules of your country, if you dont like it go to countries like iran or saudi. They will be more than happy to welcome you
But then they will complain they are not allowed to go to school and get an education and will want to go back to France. 😅
@@hannaht2068 exactly, in every country there are compromise to be done. Historically, Christians and jews of France had to do compromise to be part of french républic.i don't know why it should be different now
Remember: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
Yes ,and we all know what happened to the Romans!
The other kids can wear jeans and t-shirts but they ban a certain type of clothes? We have to wear uniform. Tie, blazer, shirt no matter your gender. We all wore the same. If we came in with jeans they would send us home.
The clothes you mention represent secularism. Laicite means secular France, we are not in Kabul or Doha,
jeans is christan clothes
Fascist.
@osarahman-zu1gv that's an idiocy
@@rahman-zu1gv01 what nonsense is this?? 💀
An abaya is not an Islamic symbol, is a piece of lose clothing that become famous in Islam as it’s so covering for women. Nuns wear something similar. The point is to be all covered loosely to not expose the shape of the body. The fact that they’re not allowing girls to fully cover themselves is crazy
I find this fiasco so interesting. To be modest, wouldn’t a long gypsy skirt and long sleeve t shirt suffice?
They just want to izlamize the country. They're doing everything in their power to fund news channels to spread this pr0p@g@πda
Yes baggy sweater and a gypsy skirt works the same. And that's the whole funny thing. The Abaya is nothing more than a simple solution to follow the Islamic dress code. Wide clothing thst doesn't show your body curves. So girls will just dress modestly in other ways. And they all swap back to Abaya when they leave the the school. But you see this every year. Macron needs some easy points for the right wingers in his country. Senate elections soon.
The Abaya dress has nothing to do with Islam. Islam and cultural clothes are different. Research facts before speaking on any topic. Abaya is absent in many muslim countries.
That's just culture, what's wrong with that?? You're really phobia with just clothes
Does anyone want to mention about westerners having to "cover up" when visiting certain countries? We all have to compromise when living/visiting different countries. If it means so much to wear certain types of clothing the there are plenty of places that would accommodate.
I literally mentioned it replying to someone in my comment. And this is coming from a muslim girl. In a muslim country you gotta dress modestly and if you visit mosques then you've to wear a headscarf. So yeah I dont mind any non muslim country coming up with such laws.
Exactly
Name 5 countries that you've been to and you or anyone you know has experienced this or is this just BBC bias media portrayal?
It disgusts me to see any Western liberal women gushing over the Islamic dress codes. "Ooh, rock that Hajib!" Let these extremists of performative acceptance move to Waziristan or other provinces around the globe where the true nature of many Islamic societies (or any fundmentalists!) will show their face. Let them move to Pakistan, Indonesia, African countries or even HIndu parts of India, where churches get burned with people in them and atheists are in even worse peril with not even a minority left to defend them. Then these fools will appreciate the need to defend against gross encroachments upon individual liberties and rights to be who you want to be.
@@aafiaturkey6748 - Even in fundamentalist communities of Jews in NYC, women have been spit on the back by locals for not dressing according to fundamentalist standards. Even in conservative Christian places in Europe, I have seen women hissed at and men given scornful looks for not dressing conservatively. Certainly, if you think oppression does not exist based on what you wear, why don't you travel to any back-country town in Libya, Mali, Afghanistan, or Indonesia with a tight skirt and halter top, or even a t-shirt saying "Jesus can save you!" on it. You'll see how people feel about how you should dress.
Well done France.
Religious fashion is not religion.
France does a good job protecting ALL religions.
I'm an agnostic from a muslim country. And I had to search what abaya is. It is not a muslim thing like braka as far as I know it. It's just a loose clothing conforming with hijab. Take away the head scarf and it's just regular clothing.
Girls are already banned from wearing the headscarf in schools in France. Now they are banning long dresses (when worn by Arab girls, white girls can get away with it because they can say it is not religious garb if they are not Muslim. It is clearly discrimination.
It's ridiculous, the boys of that religion wear regular clothes so why not the girls.
@@afsheeng2790 REGULAR clothes for boys are shirts and trousers....girls are not allowed to wear what you have just mentioned so stop being awkward. You know exactly what I meant.
@@afsheeng2790 Most schools throughout the world have dress codes!
Those girls can still be who they are without wearing that abaya. The clothes never made a person.
You don't understand anything, and it's not your business to tell people what to wear
I guess the same argument can be made then- Why make a big deal about not allowing them to wear it?
By your logic there’s no reason to ban it.
@@blackmamba___
Exactly.
@@blackmamba___Its not a big deal. Islamic countries enforce dress codes as the norm and nobody bats an eye. Thats not a big deal either, its their perogative as is France's choice to ban certain clothing. Banning certain articles of clothing favours the freedom of choice for the larger catalogue of accepted varieties and alternatives. Compared to an enforced limited selection. In general, schools have always banned clothing to maintain decorum. This is no different.
Islamic ppl love to apply rules to foreigners in their country, but not with them 😂
😂 So you don’t know the difference between Muslim & Islam, educate yourself first . Islamic people don’t exist. I guess , You mean Muslims.
BRAVO BRAVO to France ....if they don't like it.....LEAVE go to an arabic country
Why are you so happy for France they are dirty people
Wish they would do the same in the UK. 🇬🇧 👍
"laïcité is a liberty, not a restraint..." Except if you wear something a little too ethnic, then we'll absolutely restraint you from coming to school.
No religious stuff in school. If you can not deal with that, french is not a country for you.
An abaya is NOT a “traditional Islamic dress”. It’s a form of loose clothing that many Muslim women wear in different Muslim communities around the world. Islam does NOT prescribe down to every detail how a dress should look like… it only prescribes what areas it should cover. Different Muslim communities have come up with different interpretations of those requirements (according to their respective cultures). If you visit India or other multi-cultural/multi-ethnic traditional communities, you’ll notice that non-Muslim women also wear loose clothing (based on their own cultures). This has NOTHING to do with integration or secularism. This is DIRTY POLITICS. Everyone seems to be fine when big government comes down on a population that’s not them… just wait till that government comes knocking on your door.
There are plenty of trash countries that abide by sharia law that these people can migrate to if they want to practice their primitive religion strictly.
Not only Muslims, Jews too prefer to be decent rather than wearing short skirts or tight clothing!
MUSLIM is a religion (Islam), not an ethnicity or nationality, which can be different. You can be French (ethnicity) Canadian (Nationality) or Mexican American, and you could also still be a Muslim either way. Abayas are religious garments no matter what the "details" are, especially since there is no difference between secular and religious clothing among fundamental Muslims. If Christians cannot wear crucifixes and Jews cannot wear Yarmulkes etc, then these young gals can march to the store, buy a long skirt or pants, loose blouse and bandana or kerchief and cover what they are supposed to cover, if (as you claim, which I doubt) "coverage" is the important part of the argument. I know many Muslims say that the Koran is actually quite vague about clothing, and there are almost no specific mandates beyond dressing "modestly". Most of them actually do wear longer skirts and pants, looser blouses/tops with long sleeves and collars or crew necks, and few none wear scarves or hats unless it is cold. Because to them, the long sleeves and pants/skirts are "modest" without having the inconvenience of wearing clothes that has been worn by the peoples of the middle east, for thousands of years, long before Judaism, Christianity or Islam even existed. France is not the desert, it is not the middle east and these girls CAN dress modestly and still leave thier religious garb at home. "Modest" can mean alot of things and those girls don't have to wear a Muslim nuns habit to school, even if thier daddies say they have to dress like a nun at the grocery store and to the swimming pool.
It's still about cultural integration, religious or not. 👍
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 that’s fine, as long as there’s consistency. Tell me, how far should the state go when it comes to ordering how citizens represent themselves? Muslims typically have muslim names… you can easily tell their background from that. Should they have nonMuslim names for school/work and muslim names for home? Does that go for every community or just Muslims? Should the state enforce that? If so, then how?
gov t and schools should be secular in teachings and in appearance!!!
Ugly people are next.
Watch out.
Says someone who I am assuming is white christian?? Not asking just saying it's very elitist for you make that comment
I think the French need to look closer at the definition of secular - neither respecting nor prohibiting the free exercise of religion!
They are Run by Satan worshipers they know but follow Satan.
Deport...
Simple, if they want to practice their strict religious rules let then go back to their country that will welcome them. France is a secular nation..
french people have a habit of not going back to their country. niger has been asking them to leave for weeks but they still wont go back. not surprised that their citizens arent any different.
What does a abaya has to do with education? Proper madness😮😮😮😮!!!!!
Abayas are literally maxi dresses, so if someone wears a maxi dress will they be sent home too?
You cannot ID a girls religion in a Maxi dress, you can in an Abaya. If Christians cannot wear crucifixes and Jews cannot wear Yarmulkes etc, then these young gals can march to the store, buy a long skirt or pants, loose blouse and bandana or kerchief (or maxi dress) and cover what they are supposed to cover, "coverage" is the important part of the argument. I know many Muslims say that the Koran is actually quite vague about clothing, and there are almost no specific mandates beyond dressing "modestly". Most of them actually do wear longer skirts and pants, looser blouses/tops with long sleeves and collars or crew necks, and few none wear scarves or hats unless it is cold. Because to them, the long sleeves and pants/skirts are "modest" without having the inconvenience of wearing clothes that has been worn by the peoples of the middle east, for thousands of years, long before Judaism, Christianity or Islam even existed. France is not the desert, it is not the middle east and these girls CAN dress modestly (get a maxi dress) and still leave thier religious ID at home. "Modest" can mean alot of things and those girls don't have to wear a Muslim nuns habit to school, even if thier daddies say they have to dress like a nun at the grocery store and to the swimming pool.
God help you- they are a symbol of something faaaaar more sinister!
Or just wear school uniforms
Whether you love or hate the French at least they stand up for their people and culture, I wish the UK government would stand up for us.
Hhhhh
😂😂😂 And what was their culture ?
This isn’t standing for culture dear this is when you forget what your culture is.
If you accept other people into your country, don’t they become your people as well and should be protected as long as they’re not causing harm to anyone else.
Culture? 😂. No. They want as much female flesh on show as is possible. So much for choice
They are welcome to go wear it in any of the terrible countries it is popular in.
They should emigrate to countries where people are of similar religion.
And they talk to us about "Freedom" and "Human Rights" .
I am not a Muslim, but I stand with the girls.
If they want to where what they want, they where what they want.
I would be baffled if the allowed female students to wear low cuts and mini skirts or riders but they can be banned for wearing what essentially is formal attire.
If I was the parents, I 'd give the school a choice, if the school insists on western dress, then it is their responsibility to actively protect young girls from sexual harassment and assault. If they don' t and insist on not owning the situation, then there will be French teacher swallowing their own teeth.
I bet there are girls who would gladly trade places with them just to attend school.
"When you live in a foreign country, abide by their rules. If not, you can go back to where you came from or be ready to face concequences"
- Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain, Malaysia etc when we visit their countries.
That applies to them as well
It's cool until the one who wear the abaya start to call name the one that don't wears it
@@electro1463 one who doesn't wear it face so much discrimination in lsIamic countries. France did a very good job
What if someone wears a clothe with a picture of Hitler?
I think there is the most safety concern because abaya covers the face and can be used by criminals or boy/man’s for raping girls in school/public restrooms. In my opinion, if you would like to wear abaya - move back to the society that welcomes it. France has a different culture that has to be respected.
same as the middle east, has a different culture so respect it yh
Show me a case that abaya covers was used for the purpose of committing crimes.
i don't think kids really have the choice of where they live
@@AB-fi5jt Here you are: PIPES: When burqas become accessories to crime. Criminals can hide behind Islamic garb. By Daniel Pipes
Thursday, February 21, 2013
@@cindy3933 parents have.
It's not like they are banning _exclusively_ islamic attire - they're banning ALL religious symbols, items, clothing, etc., from ALL religions....its not a double standard that is specifically discriminating against muslim students. its a blanket ban on _anything_ that is religious, not only limited to islam.
besides, u can always wear it outside of school.
Seems like they can't undrestand that sadly 🤷
nope turbans are still allowed
No, they're not.
This is against Muslim attire and you know it.
Cut the crap.
An abaya is not an Islamic symbol, is a piece of lose clothing that become famous in Islam as it’s so covering for women. Nuns wear something similar. The point is to be all covered loosely to not expose the shape of the body. The fact that they’re not allowing girls to fully cover themselves is crazy
@@daisy_oe they understand but don't want to accept it and is trying to make themselves victim
This whole debate is really about cosmopolitanism and multiculturalism in France. It must be exhausting having to pretend otherwise.
You’re American obviously 🤷🏾♂️
@TayWoode What is that supposed to mean? I'm intrigued, and I'm curious.
@@alexanderangelo7284 it’s not meant to mean anything, so you’re not?
@TayWoode Yes I am, but what did you mean by that?
@@alexanderangelo7284 thought so, your attitude isn’t really respecting French law it’s more about you thinking people should be able to express themselves no matter what religion and wear what they want, it’s a school uniform and pupils should abide by it and not think they are exempt due to religion, by your logic the military should wear what they want too and express themselves however they wish
France’s slogan is if it isn’t mini it isn’t freeing
When you emigrate to a country, abide by that countries customs, laws and norms.
Dont go there and start insisting on doing things your own way, then when they insist you comply you start playing the victim..
Dont emigrate to countries which dont share your customs and norms simple..
The French have not set a good example have they really as they never once followed the cultural norms, traditions and clothing of the countries they once occupied. Why should they dictate what others wear ?
Why do people speak French in Africa and the Caribbean again?
Indeed…so it’s about time Europeans got the f out of the Americas, Australia and Africa and took their’ culture’ with them….all 300 + years of it
@@nazirvania9365Saudi Arabia dictates what people should do
Majority of them are refugees not migrants
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the historian Dio Cassius said once the Emperor Tiberius had in front of him a person that worked glass and he could break it apart and put it back together and that person was killed but the Emperor said if they realize this gold means nothing whatever that man was doing it makes gold worthless with the glass and flexible glass or something the ancient people understood
You can be topless but you can’t wear an abaya…..???
You can be topless. Crop top are also banned for exemple.
As an American, I see what is going on in France, and I'm so thankful to live in a secular country where students have the right to wear almost whatever they want to school, and they certainly have the right to express and practice their faith without the state going after them like this. No court would back this policy, and even if a lower court did violate the 1A, the ACLU would have a legion of lawyers marching up their ass and tearing them a new one. They would never walk or shit right again.
Cry. It's for all . But as always Islamist play victim card
France Muslims just act racist against France natives.
Its disgusting how the act with the victim card.
@@Quirkydopethey do. France starting to stand up to this messed up ideology.
It's that why US is like it is... Wokeism BS! You must respect the law, the culture, the way of living of the countrie that has aloud you to stay, simple! If you don't like it there, you can always find another countrie... Western society's are the most tolerant nowadays, perhaps too much!
The problems is the one wearing this abaya are calling the one that don't wears it all kind of names like they are sl@g wh0res etc, you give them a liberty that they use to persecute
In Australia, uniforms can be modified to accommodate all religious groups just as uniforms differ for gender. Using conformity as an excuse to ban religious identities is just oppression, discrimination and hypocrisy.
No it is not, what you wrote just reveals your ignorance and your scorn toward diffèrent culture
@@Jonathan-rt8dxwaa jonathan va nous montrer ce qu'est l'ignorance
Même les autres pays vous critique 😂😂
HYPOCRITES!!!
@@MaryamArabian_07 tu veux la liste de ceux qui critiquent les pays musulmans ? Tu es sure ? Et qu’est ce que ça prouve ? Le coran intime l’ordre aux croyants de respecter les lois des pays qui les accueillent . Lis le
@@Jonathan-rt8dx mais c'est pas la même chose!!
Les pays musulmans ils le disent NOIR SUR BLANC que c'est des musulmans et que la lois de Dieu est au dessus de toute chose
Vous c'est pas pareil, vous n'assumez pas le faite que oui c'est un pays libre mais pas pour tout le monde
Donc vous etes hypocrites!
Si vous ne voulez pas des musulmans alors dites le clairement puis basta!
Soyez sincère au moins comme les pays musulmans qui l'assument eux au moins!!
@@Jonathan-rt8dx Je connais mon livre je n'ai pas besoin de tes conseils merci
En Islam c'est Dieu avant tout
Et après le respect des autres pas le contraire! Et puis on respecte très bien NOTRE pays puisqu'on est dans les règles!
Song dynasty's victory during Seige of Diayucheng saved Europe from full Mongol Empire invasion. Since Mongke khan was killed and all generals had to return and then it disintegrated.
Damn right.
No country should allow ANY religious mumbo jumbo superstition bullshit religious symbology in any secular place like schools, hospitals, courts, government offices of all sorts, workplaces, shops, or anywhere other than your own home or the house of religion for your chosen superstition.
As an Englishman it pains me to admit that France is so far ahead of us on this.
So If Mary mother of Jesus Christ PBUH came to England your logic will consider her an Extremest, maybe you should check to see if an evil spirit lurking in your body because only Satan worshipers will love these rules and I am an Exorcist.
What the hell is a "Secular dress"?
Pertaining to religion. Remember, Google is your friend.😊
Where everyone is free to believe their gods and share the commonality of humanity
@@WestVirginia1959hhh..i think you missed the point being made here😉
one without overt religious symbols, presumably.
In France you can only wear a white flag, cowardice is the only religion allowed there.
Every country has is own laws,conforme to it and here no problem at all.
So women can wear as little as possible on French beaches for example, but she can’t cover up? Who the hell are any government to dictate what anyone wears
Lucky for people, laws can be argued and change if you’re willing to fight for it.
@@blackmamba___ surely bro surely
Some folks here want to change them, forcefully.
Yes but on the other hand abayas didn't seem to be a problem until now so I don't get the change.
In France and Afghanistan, schools are sending girls back home.. how far we've come!
That is not true because in France they are sending Girls and Boys home who don't Comply with the ban of the abaya and kameez in school. In France, they will be allowed back in school when they fall in line with the majority of students. In Afghanistan, they deny Girls any secondary education.
@@hannaht2068in Afghanistan too, girls will be permitted back to school once the curriculum influenced by colonial ideologies is eliminated.
concerning france, I didn't know the champion of women's rights and freedom forces minorities to "fall in line with the majority".
the Taliban are at least consistent with their self-professed principles, unlike France, which is hypocritical.
@@jacer5677 Maybe those few people who don't want to abide the laws in France should go to Afghanistan for their education and be allowed to wear what they like at the same time, A win-win for everyone?
@@hannaht2068
Your ironic suggestion seems to imply that visiting Afghanistan would make someone appreciate the merits of the Western world. However, the reality is that a trip to Afghanistan would reveal a nation that the West has spent two decades bombing and committing countless war crimes.. In reality, Afghanistan serves as a symbol of the violence and lack of regard for human rights of the Western world.
(For you information the girls defying this discriminatory law are definitely french nationals, otherwise they wouldn't dare)
@@jacer5677 Well they can stay at home Until the discriminatory law Changes.😂
As they should. Vive la France!
If Governments utilise separation of Church & State to maintain a consistent level of equality & balance within it's Laws & regulations-why not schools?
How does a girl wearing an abaya affect her education? Is she forcing Islam on other students? I don't think so.
Indeed. So why do we have Christmas holidays, Easter holidays etc. Separate completely.
Because oppression is not ok in a supposed land of liberty.
Is it séparation you don’t understand ?
The State just made a law about a religion.
It’s ironic separation of church and state, but they all become god fearing Christians the moment they decide to run for office. SMH
With every religious or religious related symbol a showing off the religion is a given. What for?
France has chosen a rightful step.
People can share knowledge and understanding without being rude in these comment sections. Sheesh
Interesting! Then let’s go full secular and end the Christmas and Easter holidays.
France was a mostly Catholic country until the illegal invaders came. If they don’t like the rules they can go back to where they came from.
Absolutrtly right decision. You can wear that when you go to the mosque. But not in schools, universities and places of governance.
Indeed. Girls should only wear tiny skirts pulled up to almost the crotch with their buttocks on show of the wind is blowing in the right direction!! 😂
And why not?
Snowflake
So turning up in a traditional native nonsecular dress like just a belt is fine and won't shock your Christian decency and moral values?
abaya is cultural clothes
Can any1 tell what is abhaya ???is it same as hijab🤔
Amazing ❤️❤️
They can move to another country, one that imposes, actually, to use that whatever it is.
Well done France keep protecting your country from Muslim occupation
L France l Israel Palestine is better
@@Goange702 Israel existed before Islam true fact
@@Yaru_salem dirty isreal was made on 1949 and Islam was in the 14 hundreds
Ask the Algerians, it's similar to what the French did to them. And it was just the beginning
When india banned hijab in schools , you BBC called it Islamophobia
Why don't they move to the plethora of Islamic countries where they'll be cherished like heroes? No one's forcing them to stay in France after all.
France should leave their countries and return all the stolen wealth back and they’ll happy leave the misogynistic hell pit called France
Schools should be Secular if certain community does not follow the law they should be thrown out
So all laws are just and should be accepted without question?
Cool. But you can’t say that the French government is blameless. For starters, they never should’ve taught French to the people they conquered (probably wasn’t a good idea to begin with… but oh well, sh!t happens). It should also make it crystal clear that: practicing Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, etc. are not welcome (only certain kinds of faith practitioners are welcome). It should also up the declining birth rate among native French so that it won’t depend on foreigners (especially non-Europeans).
It’s very easy and very convenient for secular people who’ve lived in 1 country for generations to tell new comers to neatly separate their identities and conform to local norms (which aren’t fixed anyway). I just hope I get to see a time when your kids have to travel to foreign lands for work and are forced to assimilate to foreign cultures.
Then why are they forcing them to dress to Christian standards of decency and dress. Carlisle and Kim Jung un will be proud. Hair styles will be next, they can used the Kim's list of acceptable ones.
Yeah, you go to a foreign country, you're supposed to abide by the local rules, laws and customs.
What's so difficult for you to understand? @@ortakoyraider
No idea about what you're trying to say about teaching French to conquered people. @@ortakoyraider
France and Iran are same, both dictate what women can and cannot wear
I am so glad I crossed France off my list of countries I wished to visit in my lifetime. I feel repelled by a country that has so much disdain for its minorities it feels the need to restrict their basic freedoms. There are much better countries in Europe I would prefer to visit.
What about minorities in muslim countries?
Do minorities secular in muslim countries have the same rights???
France has other minorities too, but why they don't have any issues. Btw the ban on religious clothing is for all.
From a professor in France: Kids don't decide, teachers do. You don't show up naked, you don't show up in religious garb. You don't behead teachers, you don't murder secular cartoonists. Fare thee well.
U don't go in other peoples countries still there resources...leave them below the poverty line and carpet bomb countries for resource and say your saving the world...truly ignorant and sick
Musa(as) had some of his people settle in that area a long time age
Great stuff
Why do they think rules shouldn't apply to them? Disgusting to watch this unfold. SMDH
because europe has been acting above law for centuries now. people get the message.
@@nvmtt1403How is Europe acting above the law? That doesn't even make sense. Like anywhere in the world they make their own laws.
You feel comfortable with laws controlling what citizens can and cannot wear?
because rules only target them, nazi ideology shouldnt to be tolerated
@@lukemurray4950 france for example refusing to remove their embassy in Niger. Or the military intervention in yugoslavia and gulf wars without UN permission for instance. or often violating somalian waters so much that it turned half the nation into a pirate haven
I like France. I hope all Europe will follow those rules... My personal feeling it's muslims form Europe are searching for special treatment, they go fanatic with religious things ... I like more assian people who come here, they are all hard working and open minded.
Well send them home to Afghanistan but then they don’t go to school at all that way.
OT:Benny Hill considered funnier than Monty Python by two TV stations--WOR and WLVI.
Even Saudi Arabia has banned this garb in schools. The UK government should follow and ban it here too.
nah
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Submitting to masters is quite acceptable except when they are not members of the cult. I still do not understand.
Because young girls in the middle of winter who wear mini skirts when it’s -1 degrees and their legs are freezing and they’re on the brink of pneumonia are liberated and most certainly not oppressed.
Every country has it's norms & laws. The seperation of church & state is a biggie. When you come to a country, assimilation is important.
Islamic countries enforce dress codes as the norm and nobody bats an eye. Why do people think France pursuing secularism is any less a just reflection of its values?
*its
Were you expelled from school too?
Spelling is important too.
Give it a try, sometime.
Incorrect.
Human rights charter should guarantee no discrimination.
Society is falling apart in france and they are concerned about this?
The sheer stupidity of you sheep..
Clear diversion tactic...
Assimilation is not actually something aspire to. Peaceful co-existence is a much more admirable goal.
They new the rules she chose to defy it she got sent home the end. 🇬🇧