Heres a summary of info that wasn't included in the video: - No you didn't read the name of this channel wrong, this is my second channel. - The flight controller runs iNav firmware for the GPS capabilities. - FDM 'carbon fibre' 3D printing is still far weaker than actual carbon fibre, but good luck. - The drone cost approximately £270 (approx $350), not including the carbon fibre sheet, multiple broken cnc bits, radio receiver and 3D printer filament and one set of batteries. - I won't sell kits as it takes a lot of time to manfacture, and there are many cheap kits available. - I don't sell racing drone kits anymore due to a lack of interest and lack of income. - Yes I will probably collaborate with Tom Stanton at somepoint if he wants to.
@@Internetprolet1312 I bought it in bulk from a Chinese manufacturer. There are many out there on Alibaba. They were made from 1.5mm and 3mm thick sheets.
What a fantastic project! Would love to see a more detailed tutorial video on the electronic and programming side of this build up. 5/5 will try this one day!
Hi Tom. Helluva CNC you got there. I recently got up and running with my own CNC router mill. Learning how to cut CF and jot break bits has been an experience. I also cut under water, I actually cycle my water through a fultraion setup so my CF waste os captured and easily disposed of. The secret to my CNC bathtub is the toilet bowl overflow system(also similar to aquariums that use sump type filters). My method requires me to fixture the panels and machine with tabs. Seems most of the folks out there use a tape/crazyglue and spoil board method but then they are generating dust. I have already built several micros of my own design on up to very large tube frame 10-12inch builds. Currently in the design process for a possible 22inch monstrosity that will be running on 12s4p 18650 packs and 5215 300kv motors. Already having a ton of success using 18650 on everthing from 3in micros on up to Xclass with 6s2p packs running together for 6s4p. 18min flying time on 400kv 13in with 12000mah cruising 40mph the entire time is my best so far. Soon will have my Xclass running 8s4p. I learned with one of my builds that tube clamps and tube arms can suck for aligning all the screws/clamps if you use a bottom and top plate to sandwhich all the clamps.
oh my gosh!! i used sketchup when i was like 12-14 to just have fun making stuff! really helped me get down the basics and the learning curve for fusion 360 was easy after that.
Hi, Tom. Thanks for the parts on thingiverse! It is exactly what I needed to replace my current frame that has plastic arms and have too much flex for the flight controller to handle for quality flight.
for such a big drone KV is quite high, I would recommend change motors to something like tarot 4108/380KV or 4114/320KV. It will definitely increase flight time and improve overall efficiency. In my setup, I was using 6A/4S with an 800mm frame. With all the equipment the weight was about 3kg. It allows about 30 mins of narrow flight time. FC was a custom one but based on Linux+Ardupilot...
Great build, awesome! If you want to boost up the flight time (efficiency) oy your quad, use slower turning motors with bigger props. I had great success with Tarot 5008 Motors and 18 Inch props. They are a bit more expensiv but not much! This configuration will give you over 3Kg of thrust per motor and much higher efficiency. The bigger the prop, the better the efficiency at given thrust. Also, the Tarot motors have the t-mount hole pattern and are even 25g lighter than your turnigy ones.
Didn't we learn from the last decade that letting people chose names and things doesn't go well. You end up with things like Boaty McBoatface and that other thing that begins with B that I shan't mention. And now Tom Stanton is Timothy Stopping Place.
Hey "Tim Station"! Thank you yet another great video. Your work is truly inspiring! By the way, there is a guy called Tom ...something or other ... who looks a little bit like you! ha ha
Hey one question why use that much bulky battery when it only gives 5000mah there are like mobile phone power bank which are lighter and compact and have capacity way more 10000mah and more why not use that ?
The mobile power banks are most likely lower voltage, therefore less Wh, which is the real measurement for energy storage. Plus mobile power banks use cheap li-ion cell which aren't capable of outputting the required power for a drone.
Dude I’m not much into big x class style drones but I do like this heavy lift idea. Very cool. Can’t wait to see the first lift or launch from it. Sub’d!
I know very little about FPV flying. You would be the perfect person to learn about that from, if you were so inclined. Thanks for the video and your second channel.
Tom, at 5:35 you explained how a wing could block the thrust if it was under the prop. I'm curious about this - is the thrust not created by air being accelerated by the props. How does the downstream airflow affect the thrust or is it more an issue of the airflow being redirected and therefore causing stability issues?
Yes thrust is created by accelerating air. However, if it hits a wing below, it'll change direction, therefore accelerating in a different direction. It's essentially the net acceleration of the air that determines thrust. Similar to if you were on a sail boat and pointed a fan at the sail.
holy shit.... are we just gonna not talk about the absolutely massive cnc mill behind you?? look at the size of that z stepper!! and the size of the main motor.. holy shit.. how have i never seen that before??
Designing your own drone for flights with GPS functionalities is relatively simple. It becomes significantly harder when you want to incorporate onboard and real-time footage, or some more advanced automatic functions such as collision avoidance or active track. That's why people with money to waste resort to DJI for their entertainment
I was wondering, helicopter blades are long and straight so have more lift at the end Would it not be better to have them wing or propeller shape ? I might be wrong
Helicopter blades are straight when they're stationary but each blade is rotated slightly around their long axis so the blades present an angle of attack to the air to produce essentially the same effect as described in this video. I'm sure there will be a RUclips video explaining this further.
Something I was wondering, motor arms are pretty much tuning forks, is there a clever way to attach wire and/or a thin rod between motor arms such that the vibration coupling damped the harmonics of the individual arms. Simplest, I thought, would be to connect the end of each motor arm to the adjacent motor arms with a tight wire.
probably late but still have to ask, do you need specialized CNC machine for this? or what specs should I be looking at when thinking about getting one to cut carbon fiber?
as I mainly built it for weight lifting, after flying for 12mins with 3kg onboard, the esc/motors were warm to the touch. So I haven't considered longer props. But without payload everything comes down cold, so larger prop flight time would be interesting to test. Thanks!
@@TimStation You're welcome Tom. I bought a CF H500 quad with pixhawk back in 2014 and lengthened the arms to make it an H700 as I wanted to increase range. Would have liked to try 18" props but couldn't find any over 14" then. Unfortunately drone laws in Hungary and lack of funds and time have made it difficult to experiment further, so I'm hoping you might take this on and plot the results... Cheers!
Hello Tom. I only recently discovered your excellent series of videos and am filling these boring Covid-19 days with your demonstrations. In this video you gave an analysis of the various weights of the components and potential payload. That this drone can carry. I have ben contemplating the idea of a helium balloon type of space frame that could be designed with just enough structure to support the motors/propellers and let the helium filled soft structure filled with sufficient gas to off set the various components and potential payload. Additionally, have you ever considered a helium balloon attached to the batteries which could be tethered (such as 3 thin hollow rods) below a drone in such a manner to stay stable relative to the drone and supply enough lift to offset the battery weight?
@@TimStation Did you change the position hold and altitude hold PIDs? I'm using the same FC and GPS and yours is far better (mine jumps up and down by a few meters and does sharp corrections to hold the horizontal position)
@@SandroFPV I haven't changed the altitude PIDS, but I have reduce the position hold PIDS. However, I initially built it without any angle to the arms and it was fine with default settings, but since adding an upwards angle to the arms, the 'mechanical' positing gain increased and it began over correcting. Have you tried adding a small bit of sponge foam over the barometer? Maybe having the props far from the FC removed any significant pressure variations on mine.
@@TimStation I stuffed some foam between ESC and FC right where the baro is. It definetely improved it but I'm going through a tuning guide by iNav right now. Position hold is up next but putting the magnetometer on a little stand on one arm removed the toilet bowling effect.
Okay I’ve got to find someone with a CNC machine. This is pretty much exactly the project that I’ve been wanting to do only with FPV and a drop mechanism added.
Why not 3D print the frame? Going for annealed PLA, other high strength filaments or even carbon fiber if your lucky and have access to an markedforge printer. Should be doable?
Tim Station I understand that carbon fibre plates are strong. But looking at the design I’m wondering if it actually could be 3D printed entirely. Except the arms, which could probably use pvc pipes to keep cost down.
I see it has Inav on the flight controller. Writing this question before finish watching the video, do you mind posting your configuration, flight modes and some particular advice on such a big quad? Specially on the PID tuning methodology. Is it too much to ask about telemetry related Opentx Lua scripts? Thanks again, love the channel.
Very interesting! Thanks for this video! Would be curious to see a more in depth "how to cnc cut carbon fiber frame" and "how to design a quadcopter frame". Are you running arducopter or iNav on the flight controller? What is the weight of the frame itself (with and without the legs)?
not including the carbon fibre sheet, multiple broken cnc bits, radio receiver and 3D printer filament, about £270 (approx $350) with one set of batteries.
Heres a summary of info that wasn't included in the video:
- No you didn't read the name of this channel wrong, this is my second channel.
- The flight controller runs iNav firmware for the GPS capabilities.
- FDM 'carbon fibre' 3D printing is still far weaker than actual carbon fibre, but good luck.
- The drone cost approximately £270 (approx $350), not including the carbon fibre sheet, multiple broken cnc bits, radio receiver and 3D printer filament and one set of batteries.
- I won't sell kits as it takes a lot of time to manfacture, and there are many cheap kits available.
- I don't sell racing drone kits anymore due to a lack of interest and lack of income.
- Yes I will probably collaborate with Tom Stanton at somepoint if he wants to.
I'm glad you're going to collaborate with Tom, I think you and Tom will make a fantastic duo
Hey I was wondering where you get the carbon plates from and what thickness you used for your racing drones?
Tim Station what software are you using on the flight controller ?
at 1:08 you can see the arms are angled slightly up. Why did you design the drone this way?
@@Internetprolet1312 I bought it in bulk from a Chinese manufacturer. There are many out there on Alibaba. They were made from 1.5mm and 3mm thick sheets.
You really look like Tom Stanton. You even have a similar name!
maybe he also 3D printed a full size version of himself :)
Deepfake oviously, he even deepfaked the shed :D
That's obviously where the similarity ends
I thought I was experiencing the Mandela Effect and had either mis-remembered his name or been transported to an alternate reality.
I think you will find that the CNC dust is actually magic powder.
Tom said that Tim makes "lOw QuAlItY cOnTeNt". wtf, this is great...
Maybe "Lesser Effort Content" would be a better description.
Please Collab with Tom Stanton, he's really cool and does similar stuff to you.
Such a clean design. Good job. Looks great.
Thanks Will!
Well done. Your design is so simple and clean but yet it's beautiful to look at. No wires all clean. That's the frame I want.
Haha I will probably like this channel more than your primary channel if it continues with such videos.
What a fantastic project! Would love to see a more detailed tutorial video on the electronic and programming side of this build up. 5/5 will try this one day!
I didn't expect to be Sketchup shamed when I got here... :P Looking forward to more build-centric videos.
For the propeller mounts, you should probably use locking nuts to prevent them from ever coming off
Tim station LMAO
You love to see it
A channel using the metric system so that you have a clue of what he is talking about
Hi Tom. Helluva CNC you got there. I recently got up and running with my own CNC router mill. Learning how to cut CF and jot break bits has been an experience. I also cut under water, I actually cycle my water through a fultraion setup so my CF waste os captured and easily disposed of. The secret to my CNC bathtub is the toilet bowl overflow system(also similar to aquariums that use sump type filters).
My method requires me to fixture the panels and machine with tabs. Seems most of the folks out there use a tape/crazyglue and spoil board method but then they are generating dust.
I have already built several micros of my own design on up to very large tube frame 10-12inch builds. Currently in the design process for a possible 22inch monstrosity that will be running on 12s4p 18650 packs and 5215 300kv motors.
Already having a ton of success using 18650 on everthing from 3in micros on up to Xclass with 6s2p packs running together for 6s4p. 18min flying time on 400kv 13in with 12000mah cruising 40mph the entire time is my best so far. Soon will have my Xclass running 8s4p.
I learned with one of my builds that tube clamps and tube arms can suck for aligning all the screws/clamps if you use a bottom and top plate to sandwhich all the clamps.
oh my gosh!! i used sketchup when i was like 12-14 to just have fun making stuff! really helped me get down the basics and the learning curve for fusion 360 was easy after that.
This is amazing of all the types of new built you made it look easy
Hi, Tom. Thanks for the parts on thingiverse! It is exactly what I needed to replace my current frame that has plastic arms and have too much flex for the flight controller to handle for quality flight.
I really love your channel, you're like a Mk 2 Tom Stanton
for such a big drone KV is quite high, I would recommend change motors to something like tarot 4108/380KV or 4114/320KV. It will definitely increase flight time and improve overall efficiency. In my setup, I was using 6A/4S with an 800mm frame. With all the equipment the weight was about 3kg. It allows about 30 mins of narrow flight time. FC was a custom one but based on Linux+Ardupilot...
Great build, awesome! If you want to boost up the flight time (efficiency) oy your quad, use slower turning motors with bigger props. I had great success with Tarot 5008 Motors and 18 Inch props. They are a bit more expensiv but not much! This configuration will give you over 3Kg of thrust per motor and much higher efficiency. The bigger the prop, the better the efficiency at given thrust. Also, the Tarot motors have the t-mount hole pattern and are even 25g lighter than your turnigy ones.
Did you used betaflight to programing the flight controller..?
I have designed drones from aluminum, cutting them out by hand like you. I really like your design of your heavy lift drone! It seems nice and simple.
Tom, you’re a bloody legend
When i first read the channel name i thought i had gotten his name wrong the whole time
Didn't we learn from the last decade that letting people chose names and things doesn't go well. You end up with things like Boaty McBoatface and that other thing that begins with B that I shan't mention. And now Tom Stanton is Timothy Stopping Place.
Impressive build
Looks awesome! Also, thank you for taking your health into account and milling your carbon fiber in water.
Great👍👍👍
Love the frame. Trying to finish my tarot 650, but loving your frame much more.
Hey "Tim Station"! Thank you yet another great video. Your work is truly inspiring!
By the way, there is a guy called Tom ...something or other ... who looks a little bit like you!
ha ha
Hey one question why use that much bulky battery when it only gives 5000mah there are like mobile phone power bank which are lighter and compact and have capacity way more 10000mah and more why not use that ?
The mobile power banks are most likely lower voltage, therefore less Wh, which is the real measurement for energy storage. Plus mobile power banks use cheap li-ion cell which aren't capable of outputting the required power for a drone.
@@TimStation Do all drones use li po batteries ?
@@_BlackSpectrum You can use Li-ion on lower peak output drones like fixed-wings which are more efficient.
Working on putting together a Lowrider 3 CNC right now, will have to put this on the list of things to try with it. 👍
I love your Helicopter in the background just like mine
For a moment, I thought RUclips unsubscribed me from my most favorite channels, again... lol
Have you considered high-strength Aluminum or Titanium fasteners? I worked aircraft structures for 24 years. Lots of options out there.
seems like modern art to me!
Dude I’m not much into big x class style drones but I do like this heavy lift idea. Very cool. Can’t wait to see the first lift or launch from it. Sub’d!
I know very little about FPV flying. You would be the perfect person to learn about that from, if you were so inclined.
Thanks for the video and your second channel.
"-google sketchup-"
*OH GO OH NO*
As someone who doesn't do 3d design, what's so bad about sketchup? Is it like the Windows Movie Maker or iMovie of 3D design?
@@rubiconnn Yeah, it's a small step up from TinkerCAD and a step below Fusion360. Window's 3D Builder is on par with sketchup lol.
Looks amazing! Could you post links to the electronics in the description for those of us who want to build their own?
Racing quads can make 10kg of thrust, but weight around 600-800
Awesome!! Added to my list of projects! Now to send the wife off somewhere so I can get building! Thanks
Doctor: Cnc drone doesn't exist, he cant hurt you
Cnc Drone
What's wrong with a cnc drone?
@@g_a_b_r_i_e_l_ nothing I was making an attempt at comedy
@@harry979 Ok
hey tom/tim, could please upload an image of the wiring. Thanks
Tom, at 5:35 you explained how a wing could block the thrust if it was under the prop. I'm curious about this - is the thrust not created by air being accelerated by the props. How does the downstream airflow affect the thrust or is it more an issue of the airflow being redirected and therefore causing stability issues?
Yes thrust is created by accelerating air. However, if it hits a wing below, it'll change direction, therefore accelerating in a different direction. It's essentially the net acceleration of the air that determines thrust. Similar to if you were on a sail boat and pointed a fan at the sail.
holy shit.... are we just gonna not talk about the absolutely massive cnc mill behind you?? look at the size of that z stepper!! and the size of the main motor.. holy shit.. how have i never seen that before??
No Way I'm at UH second year Aerospace, just built my own racing drone over christmas! Nice vid keep up the innovation.
Great video. Love to see a 'how-to' guide on building this.
whyd you stop drone racing?
Channel Name
Red DIY
Red Stanton
Because Tom is amazingly red.
Proud of Ireland
Designing your own drone for flights with GPS functionalities is relatively simple. It becomes significantly harder when you want to incorporate onboard and real-time footage, or some more advanced automatic functions such as collision avoidance or active track. That's why people with money to waste resort to DJI for their entertainment
I think the tiny ones are more fun, but they are both good.
I was wondering, helicopter blades are long and straight so have more lift at the end
Would it not be better to have them wing or propeller shape ? I might be wrong
Helicopter blades are straight when they're stationary but each blade is rotated slightly around their long axis so the blades present an angle of attack to the air to produce essentially the same effect as described in this video. I'm sure there will be a RUclips video explaining this further.
I think tom is missing the point of having a second cha-
*cough cough*
I mean tim station has such a wonderful and in-depth channel!
I recommend You protect the ceramic gps antenna. It scratches very easily and becomes less sensitive.
what is the thickness of the carbon tube?
Something I was wondering, motor arms are pretty much tuning forks, is there a clever way to attach wire and/or a thin rod between motor arms such that the vibration coupling damped the harmonics of the individual arms. Simplest, I thought, would be to connect the end of each motor arm to the adjacent motor arms with a tight wire.
Your skill is really cool! Hello from Russia!
dude this is amazing
Haha looks so similar to the heavy-lift one I built on my channel! Great work!
ahaha, best channel name ever, I'm in at about sub 1000. xD
I don’t know why but I was really happy to be the 50th subscriber.
probably late but still have to ask, do you need specialized CNC machine for this? or what specs should I be looking at when thinking about getting one to cut carbon fiber?
Sent here by Tom Stanton!
You guys should check out his channel, I think he's copying you tho....
Really nice and clean design.
Would be interesting to compare flight times with longer propellers and perhaps lower kv motors.
as I mainly built it for weight lifting, after flying for 12mins with 3kg onboard, the esc/motors were warm to the touch. So I haven't considered longer props. But without payload everything comes down cold, so larger prop flight time would be interesting to test. Thanks!
@@TimStation You're welcome Tom.
I bought a CF H500 quad with pixhawk back in 2014 and lengthened the arms to make it an H700 as I wanted to increase range. Would have liked to try 18" props but couldn't find any over 14" then.
Unfortunately drone laws in Hungary and lack of funds and time have made it difficult to experiment further, so I'm hoping you might take this on and plot the results...
Cheers!
Hello Tom. I only recently discovered your excellent series of videos and am filling these boring Covid-19 days with your demonstrations.
In this video you gave an analysis of the various weights of the components and potential payload. That this drone can carry. I have ben contemplating the idea of a helium balloon type of space frame that could be designed with just enough structure to support the motors/propellers and let the helium filled soft structure filled with sufficient gas to off set the various components and potential payload.
Additionally, have you ever considered a helium balloon attached to the batteries which could be tethered (such as 3 thin hollow rods) below a drone in such a manner to stay stable relative to the drone and supply enough lift to offset the battery weight?
Did you drill through the Propeller? I don't quite get how the shaft doesn't fit at first, but then the hole seems to have widened.
Love your work. Inspiring.
Can you make a video about your journey going to university, projects you've done, and what you are doing now?
Are you running iNav on the Omnibus?
I want to know this too!! Also what about your other flying projects? What software/firmware did you use and modify to your needs?
Yeah it runs iNav. I run iNav on pretty much all my projects that require a FC due to the custom output options
@@TimStation Did you change the position hold and altitude hold PIDs? I'm using the same FC and GPS and yours is far better (mine jumps up and down by a few meters and does sharp corrections to hold the horizontal position)
@@SandroFPV I haven't changed the altitude PIDS, but I have reduce the position hold PIDS. However, I initially built it without any angle to the arms and it was fine with default settings, but since adding an upwards angle to the arms, the 'mechanical' positing gain increased and it began over correcting. Have you tried adding a small bit of sponge foam over the barometer? Maybe having the props far from the FC removed any significant pressure variations on mine.
@@TimStation I stuffed some foam between ESC and FC right where the baro is. It definetely improved it but I'm going through a tuning guide by iNav right now. Position hold is up next but putting the magnetometer on a little stand on one arm removed the toilet bowling effect.
As I see you used only 2 screws for motor mounting. Are 2 screws enaugh for mounting motor or better use all 4?
PIDs need tuning, we can hear/see the wobble.
Okay I’ve got to find someone with a CNC machine. This is pretty much exactly the project that I’ve been wanting to do only with FPV and a drop mechanism added.
Nice build!! What wire did you use to extend the motor wires to the ESC?
Seems like waterjet would be the ideal method for cutting frames out of carbon fiber sheet.
How much is the price for a drone like yours?
What is the longer arm length? Looks like about 400mm? I had the flat carbon cut by CNCMadness and I'm shopping for arms!
Why not 3D print the frame?
Going for annealed PLA, other high strength filaments or even carbon fiber if your lucky and have access to an markedforge printer.
Should be doable?
3D printing has great applications, but for the design of this frame, it can't compete with carbon fibre sheet in terms of strength per weight.
Tim Station I understand that carbon fibre plates are strong. But looking at the design I’m wondering if it actually could be 3D printed entirely. Except the arms, which could probably use pvc pipes to keep cost down.
Omg, i want to have you on my team in an future apocalypse
I was literally typing a comment on the other video asking about this drone when you mentioned your second channel lol
Good stuff. You are running iNav?
Gods you're good!
I ❤ old SketchUp!
I see it has Inav on the flight controller. Writing this question before finish watching the video, do you mind posting your configuration, flight modes and some particular advice on such a big quad? Specially on the PID tuning methodology. Is it too much to ask about telemetry related Opentx Lua scripts? Thanks again, love the channel.
Can it support a FPV gimbal and camera?
Any reason you didn't go with a pixhawk? (any version)
Very interesting! Thanks for this video! Would be curious to see a more in depth "how to cnc cut carbon fiber frame" and "how to design a quadcopter frame".
Are you running arducopter or iNav on the flight controller?
What is the weight of the frame itself (with and without the legs)?
He's running iNav
good job tim
I love the name
wait i am little confused between Tom Stanton and Tim Station right now ! how come both people look the same and be different ?
Hi Tom , nice job there mate but I dont see the top and down side of the drone in schematics.
Tom do you still have any Stanton frames for sale ??
Soon my esk8 projects will be complete enough for my to get an FPV quad. I have a Oculus Rift VR setup I want to try to use as a FPV headset.
How much thrust would a 1000kv motor with 1045 prop will provide on 2.2AH 3s 30c?
Can you give the dimensions of the carbon plate and tubes? Thanks alot!
Brilliantly inspirational😉👍
Nice TSX900
Huh you have your own race drone. Neat!
You should make a video about adding optical flow sensing to it! GPS drift correction is okay, but optical flow is where it's at.
What battery level/voltage indicator did you use? Thanks!
How much this baby cost?
not including the carbon fibre sheet, multiple broken cnc bits, radio receiver and 3D printer filament, about £270 (approx $350) with one set of batteries.
Pretty affordable actually