I am 72 and enthusiastic about how Sandy looks at design. As long as people like him where considered as disturbing, there was just business as usual and no innovation. So fortunately Elon came not from legacy auto! At Hyundai Group fortunately young engineers together with older experts, they did not really like in Europe, got ‚carte blanche, to realize outstanding electric cars with personality too! Fortunately there is change now and keeps personal mobility attractive because there is no alternative besides driving less and save ressources. 😎
Well, some people are not old, they used their time wisely and remember to always challenge the old and improve on it. This man has not turned old, but wise.
Having sponsors where Munro vets the design quality is genius, as it makes the viewer assured of the quality and for me that makes the advertisement much more valuable for the viewer and the sponsor. I usually just skip in-video ads, but in this case I did not and would also take the time to view them in the future for this channel.
Another channel that does (imo) quality in-video ads is Heavy D Sparks. Best part is he does pros and cons not just praise praise praise. Makes the referral more valuable because it tailors who will benefit most from sponsors product (line)
Yep. I can see the conversation now: Advertiser - "Can we sponsor one of your videos with XXX product?" Monroe - "Send a sample that we can destroy, and we'll get back to you..."
I echo this. I was about ready to start my double taps but right when I saw it spread out and disassembled, I went hold on and actually watched it through. I don't want "marketing" advertised to me I want the engineering of it explained to me. After all it is the reason I come to this channel. Not just Tesla stuff, I want to know what engineering is getting accomplished by every manufacturer.
I love hearing a 73 year old man shouting to the industry to think outside the box, promote change and innovation. Proves yet again that change is a mindset and does not diminish with age but with attitude. Getting younger people to run things does not automatically induce change for the better.
"Getting younger people to run things does not automatically induce change for the better." It kinda does though, because the majority of older people in the business have developed the wrong attitude. That's not to say older people cannot indeed have the right attitude, Munro is a living example of that for sure.
It's great to see the improvements and how excited you are about them. That's why it's important to just tell it like it is. If you praise everything, it doesn't push for improvement.
@@Mrbfgray But even back then....Munro only hammered the body...not the drivetrain, electronics and battery pack. With the 'superbottle' probably being the 'swept of his feet' moment to fall in love with Tesla's innovative culture. If I recall correctly, after those things were analysed, a bunch of Munro employees bought a Tesla 😉.
Yeah tend to agree , although a massive petrol head myself and love N/A engines electric cars should have come on a lot more . Now there are 2 reasons for this 1 Nicola Tesla was ripped off by JP Morgan and it’s all about greed and money, not passion pride and innovation. So electric cars would have been developed sooner. 2 electric vehicles were around before petrol ones , it was only America that pushed the internal combustion engine to the mainstream as they had an abundance of oil to sell , that’s why the big yank v8s produced pathetic bhp per litre . It didn’t matter how inefficient they were as more oil was sold for fuel . Then ford etc exported the petrol engine car basically tow the world . All about money and greed eventually.
One of the best Munro Live video showcasing the competitive advantage Tesla has over Ford, GM, ....in building cars, not just battery technology and EV powertrain but advantage in how to build the whole car. Mind blowing.
@@JackMott I did not know that. I know that some of the Chinese automakers are onto it. Which factory is the Ford one in? What pressure does it run at? Which model is it used for?
@@richardraymond878 Actually, I'd expect the announcement any day now of the first Tesla Gigacasting machine, designed and manufactured by none other than Tesla, If IDRA had said "no, we can't do that" when asked. But being Elon, if they had any ambition they couldn't say no. Mr. Pushy himself.
I can't even imagine how Sandy feels after years of wanting to make large castings happen in cars and finally seeing it come to fruition. Thank you Munro team for sharing this information with the world! I wish my dad were still alive to see these videos, he would have enjoyed them very much too. He did some diecasting and machine tool factory stuff back in the day.
Yes. I know some say Sandy is too enthusiastic about Tesla, he's not objective enough, but long-time viewers know it's because Sandy was frustrated for years when working inside Ford and then when consulting with large car OEMs - he knew the right ideas and they were so infrequently implemented. It sure is notable that he's had that 3-piece car casting mockup around for 15 years - recommended to many, and brought to fruition by only one company, one that hadn't seen it.
@@donjones4719 I'm pretty sure they would've seen it. You wouldn't see it everyday and thus you'd probably try to get every experience from things done before.
Especially after simply mentioning it in a video-- and then all the sudden they changed half of their factory around to follow his idea. lol.. Pretty crazy.
Holy cow… kudos to the Munro team for capturing that intro from Sandy. The passion, enthusiasm and pure excitement to educate came through loud and clear. Can’t fake passion like that and you captured gold right there. This video should be shown at the beginning of every engineering course across the country. Just awesome guys! And Sandy- thank you for trusting your team when they asked to produce this channel. Your content here is having a profound impact on so many… kudos to the #munrofactor !!!!
Yes it was good , but remember that they have been using castings and tig welding them to tubes in motorcycles for ages . About 10 years ago , Renault bought a injection moulding machine that could do a complete body for a small car . Long strand glass filled nylon is super strong for use like this .
I rolled my eyes when the sponsor popped in, and then I came out impressed with how you backed the product. I don't even need one of these and I want it. Great work explaining castings too. Great job guys.
His passionate "opinion" sounds like marketing brainwash from IDRA to me. And continues with the endorsement of shaving blades or the Anker product here in this video. For the casting: it is only successful, if other properties are in line with expectations as well: scrap rates of the cast pieces, acceptable quality with regard to blowholes/shrinkholes, low effort in post-treatment after a casting had been cast by the casting machine, handling efforts. It is only revolutionary and innovative, if it matches a number of these criteria, which he did not even mention. And in addition: whether the same casting can be put in Model 3 and Model, which likely isn't the case. So the large castings idea may match with some ways to build cars, but not with all of them, expecially when building many product lines in one factory. A true engineering standpoint would take that into account.
I love the Herbert Deiss comment. When I heard of his being pushed out of VW, my immediate reaction was seeing a disaster being implemented by the change. I got the impression VW is skeptical about EV's and they are going to pull a Toyota and bank on regulators to extend the electrification deadlines ad infinitum based upon their true inability to adapt in a more aggressive way. Deiss was holding the feet of the company to the fire on that score and they dumped him. Not good.
VW definitely isn't sceptical about EVs. They are sceptical about their bottom line as every other traditional automaker lol. Their hands are tied though, unlike Tesla's.
I'm skeptical of the change at VW. Herbert Deiss was realistic about the loss of jobs at VW, and the labor union reps on the VW Board really didn't like that. He didn't accumulate enough allies in the company and between that and delays at Cariad, VW's independent software division, holding up R&D of cars in other divisions, sealed his fate.
ev is garbage, just more control for government water powered and hydrogen powered is the only environmentally friendly engine, been around for decades but all patents denied.
I had seen Anker products before and even owned one of their USB wall chargers, but I really didn't have a feel for whether they were worth the significant price premium... Seeing that you tore down their battery pack and still felt comfortable recommending it is a real vote of confidence!
Never seen Sandy so triggered!! This is pure passion of love for the work Munro carries out. Keep these videos coming, they're so informative and to the point !!! ♥️
The more passion, the more marketing and evangelism, and the less engineering. That's why I do not like Sandy's claims too much (with strong opinions on good or bad), but I like the statements from the other team members at Munro way better, which are way more balanced and more profound, than Sandy's are.
When an engineer gets passionate, listen. That usually means it's one of those rare things that doesn't really have a technical trade off, and the only thing stopping us is bureaucracy.
Awesome video. Sandy was fired up. Tesla operates how artificial intelligence is supposed to operate. Faster iterations and progress than ever seen before. Constantly evolving.
Every CEO should watch this video. Because I can guarantee you that the Chinese car companies are watching and rushing to catch up to Tesla. Lower costs mean you win in the long run and Chinese companies are very good at investing in the long run.
There is nothing disruptive about this lol…. Stop encouraging engineers to make less and less repairable vehicles and devices over and over again! When you go to the most remote places on earth you won’t see a car that was made entirely of single giant parts lol….
@@morrisg The next step is to make the entire unibody as a single casting, that way after an accident you can scrap the entire vehicle instead of just half of it.
"It takes several years to move a design for a car into production." ALL I.C.E. car makers "As quick as our suppliers can deliver, we can change a car's production design - accomplished in MONTHS." Tesla "Production improvements CAN be made at the speed of thought." Sandy Munro
Great video and education. Those complain about crack fixing issue have no idea of how stiff the structure is. Every time you remove a join/bolt/weld and integrate two pieces in a continuous form, the stress transfer becomes more streamline and hence yields the structural rigidity. In short, more weld/join/bolt = higher risk of failure
@@andrewholdaway813 Agree with your point, that's why the engineers borrowed the power of FEA to simulate potential area of suspect for cracking if overstiffing issue exist and avoid it if not needed. Besides, the other factor is with the type of aluminum, which is more ductile than conventional aluminum. It has always been a tricky issue to balance stiffness and ductility for a structural part, not to mention ability to case...
Love this coverage and statements made in it. Thanks for brining up the damage to the casting since so many people fail to understand to damage the casting, you will be happy to walk out alive since you have crush cans etc to take most of the inertia. The financial saving for the Giga castings is crazy, not just in part cost being cheaper but also logistics, chance of failure, quality check, molds for the small parts, workers, fixtures all cost A LOT of money.
I know! I've been having this argument with people for years. If the frame/underbody is bent, even in a traditionally-made car, the insurance is going to write that off as a loss, and send you a check. One of my first cars was a Honda Civic. I got into a accident, which *looked* pretty minor, but I bent in the undercarriage by the front passenger door, and the insurance company wrote me a $12k check. If you're in a bad enough collision to bend the frame, you're getting a new car either way, so the "repair cost" is a moot point; they will never be repaired.
@@AMortalDefiant The only way most people learn about this is from an accident. A wildly destroyed single part e.g. bumper cover is cheap to replace. Two slightly broken parts costs twice as much. A crushed fender is a common unbolt-replace repair. A very slight wrinkle in the C pillar means that something is bent beyond repair.
Munro Live is going to be great for the future of manufacturing. There's a child or young adult watching this, who will develop a love for engineering and manufacturing, based on your content. We need more people thinking about manufacturing and less about law and finance. Thanks for everything you do.
Sandy's (well founded) ranting about striving to improve and advance the state-of-the-art reminds me of Steve Jobs saying "If you don't cannibalise your own products, someone else will" in regards to questions about the future of the then cash-cow iPod after the introduction of the iPhone, which nobody at the time thought would take off like it did (Jobs included).
Nice seeing the last three generations body in white side by side. The changes and improvement are striking. Morning cup of coffee + Sandy Rant = A most excellent start to my Friday Can you share the weight of each body in white?
It applies all through the production. Superfast Matt did a nice video on th differences between the original Model S handles, and the later ones. Part of the reason for the changes was early Tesla was not getting much response from the parts suppliers, but now when Tesla calls up, it's "Oh Hi! What can we do for you?" The newer handles are more sophisticated,, but much more reliable, and likely cheaper. Sandy has done lots on the superbottle, and then the Octovalve. It's all through the cars.
This is exactly why I love this company. The management actually listens. They take their ego out of the situation and simply do what is right to create the best product. This is so rare.
Stock value - I have a friend who kept away from investing in Tesla while I just kept buying,, especially in the last dip. He did end up investing a few shares, but then sold according to his fancy charts. He just didn't understand how Tesla is different, and this is just the car business section, not to mention solar, software, AI, etc. Thanks Sandy for making this clear and convincing!
if your really want a deep dive in Tesla stock valuation, I suggest you head over and subscribe to Solving the Money Problem Steven Mark Ryan is a bit sarcastic but on the money with his analysis and why Tesla is the ONLY automotive stock to buy (unless you enjoy flushing your money down the toilet)
One of the reason Tesla will not certify rebuilt old wrecks with particular VINs - the technology (and parts) used to manufacture them is obsolete and not available
Pretty insane that Tesla can make these changes in such a short time on a production vehicle and charge $15K more while reducing its manufacturing cost and time. Pretty insane indeed.
@@vipahman Pretty insane that there was just a global pandemic leading to serious supply chain issues and nobody seems to realize how that directly relates to cost and pricing of EVERYTHING.
NOT in any way claiming what TESLA is doing is easy, they are really clever AND at the right time AND with the Finances. BUT To change a legacy company might be IMPOSSIBLE, there is to much baggage Probably the ONLY (Best?) way is how I understand Ford is doing it. Start A NEW subsidiary, build that up while dismantling the old one... You UNFORTUNATELY have to change a lot of skills, corporate culture and thereby people..
Hands down your best video! Not because your glowing review of the Model Y castings, but the way you clearly articulate the differences between the 3 and the 2022 Y. You absolutely crushed it!
The progress is a great complement to both Munro and Tesla . Engineers at legacy auto must watch these and weep, they know what needs to be done but the suits get in the way.
@@ganymede3141 In the 33 years since starting my own business, I have also learned to NEVER ask business advice from the following: 1. Accountants 2. Banks and any banking staff 3. Academics (especially ones with "business degrees").
Because Tesla is run by engineers and not bean counters. To drive that point home, Elon fired 10% of the non factory floor admin employees (about 3% work force)
it's not like this concept was invented by Tesla... Audi did this so called Audi Space Frame Concept in the early 90's and some of this is still state of the art. It's a great concept, no question about it. But obvs. a much better marketing strategy.
Best line ever "but I'm not popular". Sandy and Cory - everyone loves your frank and unadultered honesty, please keep it coming, everyone is sick of the propaganda and MSM BS. You guys are the best.
FINALLY, somebody knows and understands what innovation is! The TESLA way is love at first sight! Frustrating to see how most companies still work in 2020. Especially when you have to work for a Takumi engineer wanna-be! Sandy, I guess we speak Swahili for them :-)
Thanks Sandy. I would short that Casting-fixing-thing to 1 point: If you have an accident and the casting is cracked and you get out of the car nearly uninjured, than be happy you are still alive and buy the next Tesla. The force needed to crack the casting in case of an accident normally kills ppl. Live saving is more worth than a giant piece of aluminium.
Absolutely. Safety and performance should be way ahead in consideration over repair-ability for that small percentage chance of having an accident where it's worse than a fender bender, but not having the car totaled. This is a feature that is a no brainier for any engineers.
Just like we've seen in electronics over the last several decades, integration brings about increased quality and lower prices with the trade-off being repairability - it's now almost always cheaper to buy a replacement device than the cost of labour to troubleshoot and repair it.
@@carsonj1 "The cars are still designed to be safe, they still have to pass the same standards and crash tests." It's a different between passing a test and exceeding the requirements of the test.
Sandy is hitting on all cylinders. Makes me delighted to see that the age of the mind is indeed separate and distinct from the aged skin and gray hair. He is a brilliant man, full of the sort of career-spanning knowledge that makes all of his observations so cogent and important. Bravo and well done, sir!
That horse analogy was... umm.. Try to avoid analogies all together, especially when you have such a great prop in front of you. Love you guys. Sandy is great. Corey is awesome.
Well yeah i kinda understand him what he tried to say. Its evolutionary design. :D Crocodile design works as it is and is nothing wrong with that. Same for car wipers. Its design dint really change for 80 yrs really. Because it works. SO yeah he fumbled explanation.
Yup. As someone who's deeply studied evolution by natural selection and Charles Darwin's works, I can only say - avert your eyes folks, move it along, nothing to see here. It would take a page and a half to work thru the kinks in Sandy's analogies.
@@alesksander On a tangential/pedantic point, Google suggests windscreen wipers were invented in 1902, so it was only 62 years before the invention of the intermittent wipers by Robert Kearns in 1964. The Wikipedia entry for him is an interesting read. Unfortunately the "Flash of Genius" movie about his invention and the subsequent lawsuits is somewhat tedious and boring.
I worked in an accident repair shop 30years ago. We repaired really heavy accident damage on the expensive models back then, but today it seems to me that we have "moved on" and are just dumping the whole car. I think this path will end in the next few years, and we will learn to repair again and build vehicles that can be repaired. Of course with castings, but none in one piece...
This is probably the best ever Monroe and Associates video I have ever seen !! They are always interesting, but I'm not a qualified engineer (wish I was!) and they are sometimes a bit complicated. But this time with the presentation of the 4 bodyshells and their evolutionary journey in such a short time, I got it, I really properly got it. Thank you both, Cory and Sandy - what a tag team - for giving me such a lesson that I will never allow myself to forget.
Love how you guys showed the drastic improvements they've made in manufacturing over such a short period of time. Also, the bit about Herbert Diess at the end 🙌
Good video, really liked the support for Herbert Diess at the end. Too many people are tossed aside by corporations and it can be a kick in the gut. It's good to stand up for a good man when he's down.
Wow Cory and team really like how you lined up 3 generations of Telsa next to each other and let Sandy give a master class on car body design evolution. Well done. one of the best videos ever!
Very nice demonstration. Good to see Sandy back in front of the camera. It is things like the giga casting evoltion that 'analysts' miss when they place Tesla in the same category as legacy auto. More Sandy videos please.
"one part, one part" Welcome to repair after just a small, tiny, bump into something... A couple of little crack on the casting and you can basically throw away the chassis. Nice. Economical. Green. Good for the environment.
Agreed, good move by Anker indeed. I've move them up in my brand ranking regard based on this review. I've read good reviews about Anker for a few years, but a Munro kudo really moves the needle to the high side of regard for me.
So nice to hear Cost of Quality mentioned. Having been in the quality arena for 30 years, no one is so close to quality as Sandy. Also, process improvement is a large part of quality and no one exemplifies that better than Elon Musk and Tesla. Instead of Kaizen or TPS and step improvements, First Principles goes for the breakthrough process and is THE quality improvement methodology of the future. Sandy and Elon say so many quality related ideas such as reduced process steps, reduced parts, no spaghetti diagrams, Poka Yoke or mistake proof process, its just great! And Tesla has no problem with others seeing these videos because Elon has a mission to expand the knowledge, not hold tight to it. Thanks for the great presentation guys.
I feel like we've been waiting for this moment to arrive for more than 3 years and it shows Sandy is quite relieved/redeemed to see Tesla follow through so successfully.
I know nothing about cars or metallurgy but I feel like "Peter Venkman" right now. It makes me smile to see the evolution of a car company, like Tesla, doing so much to make the world a safer place.
Absolutely love Sandy Munro's take on the giga castings. He is so right and his passionate discussion on the Tesla innovations make me very positive about Tesla/TSLA and its future!
Sandy is doing his best to save the US car industry by being crystal clear about what’s needed! I believe, however, he sees the Chinese automakers as being far ahead and annihilating the US car industry as it is now.
Well boys...this is the video that puts both of you guys out front as engineers who can discuss realities in design where Mr. Average and Mrs. Average car owners can understand the evolution of vehicles. Buckminster Fuller would be smiling, knowing you are getting there. Well done...keep up the good work!
"one part" ideology for car body makes repair extremely difficult and expensive. So insurance premium skyrocketed not only for "one part" owners, but for all.
Any other car companies would take a decade to get this much changes to happen, maybe more. Even if the culture is there (which there isn't), there are just too many factories building cars the old way.
Getting parts from a catalogue and combined them, is not building. Teslas approach to build the process of the machine that makes the machine is the right one if you talk about a true fabrication process developer. Remember, the car is not the product, the manufacturing process is the product. The other car companies are just lego players.
@@richardraymond878 Actually, Tesla is reinventing the manufacturing process. That is their real competitive advantage. Part of that is a manufacturing process that allows for production changes in parallel. They can implement more design or production changes in a week than other car makers can do in a year. And that is just one example. Car makers assume the product is the car. They just buy parts and robots off the shelf. Tesla realized the product is the manufacturing process. They build the machine that makes the machine. They will apply that product to all kinds of things. Robots, HVAC, and countless other things we buy. Tesla has changed manufacturing in a way we can only begin to understand. This is much bigger than what Henry Ford did with the assemble line.
@@donm2255 Not entirely true. VW and Toyota build far more cars per year than Tesla and both those companies treat their platforms and manufacturing processes as products. Mitsubishi, Fiat and VW will even sell you an entire auto factory and help train people on how to run it. Both Toyota's TNGA platform and VW's family of "modular matrix" platforms allow them to build many variants of many cars, at different price points with minimum R&D overhead and time-to-market, using everything they have already. Tesla is doing something new because they have the luxury of doing so, but they aren't going to be the only company using gigacasting. Both Polestar and VW's new BEV factories will both employ the use of giant castings as well
Fantastic video, great to see Sandy so passionate and almost in awe at the pace and increase of innovation at Tesla, thanks to both of you, and the rest of Lean Design, for all you do and sharing it with us here :)
These last two posts by Sandy should change the whole world. If they listen!! It puts a new spin on a old saying: Getting better every day. Getting smarter everyday. Great Job Munro Team Spectacular Job Team Tesla
yes castings that are welded into the pressure hull of us submarines even, they weld repair them all the time, they excavate out cracks and the like and do weld buildups and send them out to sea!
OK - I am a retired GE Mechanical Engineer. I grew up in a garage/dealership. I am a “gear head”, just like you guys. I have been a student of Tesla. Here are some points to consider: 1) In 2012 there was a RUclips video of a Model S showing a box (like a thick Domino’s pizza box), on the roof. In 2014, there was another video showing early FSD, and the two guys were driving on a small CA back road. They said oh look, there is a Nikola Tesla tower out in the middle of that field. The tower had an elongated base like the Statue of Liberty, and a slender stainless cone with a sphere on top. I guessed that the tower was 60-75 ft tall and the top ball was maybe 16-20 ft in diameter. My “gut” says that they were testing Nikola Tesla powering of the electric car!!! To me, the current EVs are just a stop gap, with their large batteries. If you have a constant flow of electricity coming into an electric car (EC), you will only need a small battery for dynamic braking/acceleration(like a hybrid battery). There has also been some conspiracy information saying that the power distribution will be performed by the Starlink Satellites. Internet will be a sub frequency of the Quantum Resonance. The ECs will be vastly simplistic. 2) In ~2019, Elon made a number of diecast kids Model 3 cars. Why did he do this??? I think, he wanted to see what painted/wrapped surfaces looked like for future ECs. Last year, he took bails of recycled aluminum cans, smelted them and added in his alloys, AND produced billets for the Giga Presses. So I see a small car (Model 2) that has 4 main castings(skateboard/left side//right side/roof with roll bars) and numerous small castings, that make the entire body. What if there are NO stamped metal parts?? Body cost would be about 10-15% of current cost!!! Mostly robotic assembly, maybe NO welding. His Model 3 dreams just might be realized!!! 3) One of the first jobs that his new robots will tackle are installing wiring harnesses. Expect roof harnesses to be installed prior to the body being assembled, along with the entire dash, plus fire walls. The skateboard will have wiring harness, seats and console, just like the current battery pack. What if the body castings are painted/wrapped, cast doors are hung(with panel inserts) to the left and right sides, the hood and trunk/hatch are hung to the roof casting; and the entire car is assembled by bolting these major castings together. Then plastic panels are snapped in place covering the bolts. Four major casting assemblies form 98% of the finished car, except for plugging together wiring harnesses. Just a thought...
Gotta say, I loved the breakdown and endorsement of the Anker system. Before I buy something I always look at product reviews, but where can you get a product review with a full teardown and engineering examination? Munro Live! 🍻
It turns out Cory is not just an excellent engineer / consultant BUT can also have fun! Sandy's message, backed up by a quote from Dr. Deming, was perfect. Excellent work!
🤗THANKS SANDY,CORY,ERIC FOR A MIND-BLOWING EPISODE 🤯🤯👍 And ALL YOUR STAFF doing all the behind the scenes work 😅 and the patrons for supporting you 😍😍😍
Love your excitement. THE SPEED OF MUSK. This is historic. I own a model Y, X, and 3. Best vehicles in the world. Plus fill Up at home with my solar panels. I have owned many exotic cars and previous gear head. Not any more
Love having guys like sandy around love the work man .. elon single handedly changed the industry ..im sure everyone who adopts this will save in the long run while increasing the build quality of the their cars ...
I am very proud and happy to work in this department at the GFBB in Germany after hearing these words and your comments (Special thanks to the great man for this beautiful (explanation
Thank you, I’ll watch this evening. I’d be really interested in learning about the molds that go with the large castings. It’s a Canadian company making them, and they acquired this May two factories in Italy, 20 min drive from IDRA, presumably to supply the European gigafactories. How many stamps does one of them molds last? They talk of “rebuild” of the molds, how is that different from building one fro scratch? Do they need heat treatment? how is that done? Learning a lot here, thanks.
I believe the rebuild is them having to redesign the giga press based on feedback and changes in physics due to size. I know physics doesn't change but when you reach a critical increase in size, the old ways of doing things don't scale properly so they have to be tweaked.
Steel molds for plastic injection pull 1million parts the heating and cooling causes micro fractures in the mold, and mechanical wear finally cause out of tolerance part. But that's plastic,. I have no idea about this amazing aluminum alloy Tesla is using. Haven't read any papers on it.
The advantage of having one well designed part instead of many smaller is clear. However that is a great challange for foundries to achive homogeneous quality in such a big casting (means not to loose the money due to high level of scrap). HPDC is really complex process. Trust me, I'm an engineer 😉😁
I still think the cross-car beam of the battery, on which the seats sit, should be part of the body structure, and the battery inverter should be under the hood. The battery would still form the floor and the cross-car beam will give it more attachment points. These changes simplify the rear casting a little, and the assembly line workers can stand either side of the cross-car beam to do installations. The front and rear seats, the console, wiring harnesses and carpet can be installed before the battery is installed. Honda has a fold up rear seat in some of its vehicles. The space under the rear seat can be storage for driver/passengers.
That was inspiring. Sandy was clearly excited to show Tesla's engineering advances, but at the same time he's trying to tell legacy auto that the time is now to implement change. I hope they listen.
Yeah make only two car models and improve them and call it inspiring!? Wtf!!!!! Call me tesla can make everything from double decker bus to commercial vehicles! Vans, trucks, armoured vehicles…….
If Sandy is a fan of large structural automotive castings, he would absolutely love what I’ve come up with. I can do a nearly complete body in white with 3 gigacastings, 4 extrusions, and 2 floor stampings. The doors and lift gate structures would also be gigacast with injection molded plastic skins inside and out. Assembly would be very simple with thermal slip fit techniques along with snap fit panels and a handful of interior fasteners to prevent attempted disassembly from outside the vehicle.
The speed of improvement at Tesla is just phenomenal! Herbert Diess tried to move VW into a similar direction but got lost on the way. I hope some of his spirit remains at VW. And I'm sure he will get some decent job offers.
Sandy’s swag meter is at 9000 in this video, and I love to see it.
" his Reading is .....over 9000 " - FREEZA.
Casually tells Elon to hire Diess
That's why I'm here
Bruh, this will become classroom material. Holy smokes, what a legend.
Max level engineer. 9999/9999
Insanity of the video is that a 73 year old is telling the youngsters to embrace innovation/change. Truly amazing attitude from Sandy!
You dont stop learning because you grow old. You grow old because you stop learning.
I am 72 and enthusiastic about how Sandy looks at design. As long as people like him where considered as disturbing, there was just business as usual and no innovation. So fortunately Elon came not from legacy auto! At Hyundai Group fortunately young engineers together with older experts, they did not really like in Europe, got ‚carte blanche, to realize outstanding electric cars with personality too! Fortunately there is change now and keeps personal mobility attractive because there is no alternative besides driving less and save ressources. 😎
Its the 73 year old executives who make us youngsters keep doing things the old way. The way they know
Spot-on man!
Well, some people are not old, they used their time wisely and remember to always challenge the old and improve on it. This man has not turned old, but wise.
Having sponsors where Munro vets the design quality is genius, as it makes the viewer assured of the quality and for me that makes the advertisement much more valuable for the viewer and the sponsor. I usually just skip in-video ads, but in this case I did not and would also take the time to view them in the future for this channel.
Another channel that does (imo) quality in-video ads is Heavy D Sparks. Best part is he does pros and cons not just praise praise praise. Makes the referral more valuable because it tailors who will benefit most from sponsors product (line)
Yep. I can see the conversation now: Advertiser - "Can we sponsor one of your videos with XXX product?" Monroe - "Send a sample that we can destroy, and we'll get back to you..."
Definitely.
I echo this. I was about ready to start my double taps but right when I saw it spread out and disassembled, I went hold on and actually watched it through. I don't want "marketing" advertised to me I want the engineering of it explained to me. After all it is the reason I come to this channel. Not just Tesla stuff, I want to know what engineering is getting accomplished by every manufacturer.
Agreed! I JUST bought a power bank and I found myself googling that anker power station based on Sandy's reccomendation.
I love hearing a 73 year old man shouting to the industry to think outside the box, promote change and innovation. Proves yet again that change is a mindset and does not diminish with age but with attitude. Getting younger people to run things does not automatically induce change for the better.
Old man yells at threaded fasteners
@@piyh3962 that got me 😂
LOL. I'm only 62. Seeing the passion Sandg has for his work and his life makes feel young and wanting to keep trrying to push for innovation too.
@@piyh3962
With good reason.
"Getting younger people to run things does not automatically induce change for the better."
It kinda does though, because the majority of older people in the business have developed the wrong attitude.
That's not to say older people cannot indeed have the right attitude, Munro is a living example of that for sure.
It's great to see the improvements and how excited you are about them. That's why it's important to just tell it like it is. If you praise everything, it doesn't push for improvement.
Thanks Chris
Praising everything also destroys credibility. That they hammered the 1st M3 version is why praise for improvements really matters.
@@Mrbfgray But even back then....Munro only hammered the body...not the drivetrain, electronics and battery pack. With the 'superbottle' probably being the 'swept of his feet' moment to fall in love with Tesla's innovative culture.
If I recall correctly, after those things were analysed, a bunch of Munro employees bought a Tesla 😉.
@@kaasman78 Great point. Also he might have criticized most OEMs half as much for excess construction complexity and so on.
Yeah tend to agree , although a massive petrol head myself and love N/A engines electric cars should have come on a lot more . Now there are 2 reasons for this
1 Nicola Tesla was ripped off by JP Morgan and it’s all about greed and money, not passion pride and innovation. So electric cars would have been developed sooner.
2 electric vehicles were around before petrol ones , it was only America that pushed the internal combustion engine to the mainstream as they had an abundance of oil to sell , that’s why the big yank v8s produced pathetic bhp per litre . It didn’t matter how inefficient they were as more oil was sold for fuel . Then ford etc exported the petrol engine car basically tow the world . All about money and greed eventually.
One of the best Munro Live video showcasing the competitive advantage Tesla has over Ford, GM, ....in building cars, not just battery technology and EV powertrain but advantage in how to build the whole car. Mind blowing.
ford has a big casting machine too
@@JackMott Now they do. If Musk hadn't pushed the Italian manufacturers of the casting machines to go big nobody would have one.
@@JackMott I did not know that. I know that some of the Chinese automakers are onto it.
Which factory is the Ford one in?
What pressure does it run at?
Which model is it used for?
@@andrewsaint6581
I suspect you'll be waiting some time for the answer to your "Ford casting" question ....
@@richardraymond878 Actually, I'd expect the announcement any day now of the first Tesla Gigacasting machine, designed and manufactured by none other than Tesla, If IDRA had said "no, we can't do that" when asked. But being Elon, if they had any ambition they couldn't say no. Mr. Pushy himself.
I can't even imagine how Sandy feels after years of wanting to make large castings happen in cars and finally seeing it come to fruition. Thank you Munro team for sharing this information with the world!
I wish my dad were still alive to see these videos, he would have enjoyed them very much too. He did some diecasting and machine tool factory stuff back in the day.
Yes. I know some say Sandy is too enthusiastic about Tesla, he's not objective enough, but long-time viewers know it's because Sandy was frustrated for years when working inside Ford and then when consulting with large car OEMs - he knew the right ideas and they were so infrequently implemented. It sure is notable that he's had that 3-piece car casting mockup around for 15 years - recommended to many, and brought to fruition by only one company, one that hadn't seen it.
@@donjones4719 I'm pretty sure they would've seen it. You wouldn't see it everyday and thus you'd probably try to get every experience from things done before.
Especially after simply mentioning it in a video-- and then all the sudden they changed half of their factory around to follow his idea. lol.. Pretty crazy.
I suspect I know approximately 98 percent of what Sandy feels. Satisfied.
@@LegendaryInfortainment
I'd say 90%+ annoyed and disappointed by the opportunity lost by those who saw it.
Holy cow… kudos to the Munro team for capturing that intro from Sandy. The passion, enthusiasm and pure excitement to educate came through loud and clear. Can’t fake passion like that and you captured gold right there. This video should be shown at the beginning of every engineering course across the country. Just awesome guys! And Sandy- thank you for trusting your team when they asked to produce this channel. Your content here is having a profound impact on so many… kudos to the #munrofactor !!!!
Agreed!
Yes it was good , but remember that they have been using castings and tig welding
them to tubes in motorcycles for ages . About 10 years ago , Renault bought a injection
moulding machine that could do a complete body for a small car . Long strand glass filled nylon is super strong for use like this .
Cory, you look like you have achieved a lean design yourself.
Cheers to the great video.
I noticed that too!
I would 😁
I was also wondering if i was the only one, well done cory 👏.
I rolled my eyes when the sponsor popped in, and then I came out impressed with how you backed the product. I don't even need one of these and I want it.
Great work explaining castings too. Great job guys.
For all they have given to the community, I welcome every revenue generating opportunity the put in front of us.
Every other RUclipsr: “The Ankler battery is amazing! It allows you to charge…”
Monroe: “See, they replaced that part like we told them.”
That’s selling at its best. I don’t need it but I want it. Lol
I almost always enjoy the Munro Live videos but once in while you hit something Sandy has a passionate opinion on and it is 🔥 :) Great job everyone!
In some videos like this he is on fire and he is able to transfer his passions super hard to the viewer
🎓
Just about what i wanted to say. Couldn't have done it that well, though :-)
His passionate "opinion" sounds like marketing brainwash from IDRA to me. And continues with the endorsement of shaving blades or the Anker product here in this video.
For the casting: it is only successful, if other properties are in line with expectations as well: scrap rates of the cast pieces, acceptable quality with regard to blowholes/shrinkholes, low effort in post-treatment after a casting had been cast by the casting machine, handling efforts. It is only revolutionary and innovative, if it matches a number of these criteria, which he did not even mention. And in addition: whether the same casting can be put in Model 3 and Model, which likely isn't the case. So the large castings idea may match with some ways to build cars, but not with all of them, expecially when building many product lines in one factory. A true engineering standpoint would take that into account.
@@koeniglicher see you soon on that model 3 castings doubt ;) 2023.
I love the Herbert Deiss comment. When I heard of his being pushed out of VW, my immediate reaction was seeing a disaster being implemented by the change. I got the impression VW is skeptical about EV's and they are going to pull a Toyota and bank on regulators to extend the electrification deadlines ad infinitum based upon their true inability to adapt in a more aggressive way. Deiss was holding the feet of the company to the fire on that score and they dumped him. Not good.
VW definitely isn't sceptical about EVs. They are sceptical about their bottom line as every other traditional automaker lol. Their hands are tied though, unlike Tesla's.
I'm skeptical of the change at VW. Herbert Deiss was realistic about the loss of jobs at VW, and the labor union reps on the VW Board really didn't like that. He didn't accumulate enough allies in the company and between that and delays at Cariad, VW's independent software division, holding up R&D of cars in other divisions, sealed his fate.
I agree. Thanks, Sandy, for giving Deiss a plug!!
ev is garbage, just more control for government
water powered and hydrogen powered is the only environmentally friendly engine, been around for decades but all patents denied.
Oliver Blume from Porsche is a EV fan too, but maybe not to the scale the Dr. Diess has
Cory and Sandy reunited and it feels so good. Love Sandy's assessment of good design and Herbert Deiss.
I had seen Anker products before and even owned one of their USB wall chargers, but I really didn't have a feel for whether they were worth the significant price premium... Seeing that you tore down their battery pack and still felt comfortable recommending it is a real vote of confidence!
I wish it weighed a lot less than 43 lbs.
Never seen Sandy so triggered!! This is pure passion of love for the work Munro carries out. Keep these videos coming, they're so informative and to the point !!! ♥️
but... what might come..
The more passion, the more marketing and evangelism, and the less engineering. That's why I do not like Sandy's claims too much (with strong opinions on good or bad), but I like the statements from the other team members at Munro way better, which are way more balanced and more profound, than Sandy's are.
You haven't watched him ranting about fasteners then..
we’re all haunted by what we’ll all see by the cybertruck...
When an engineer gets passionate, listen. That usually means it's one of those rare things that doesn't really have a technical trade off, and the only thing stopping us is bureaucracy.
I love it when Sandy tells it like it is.
When does he do that
And... quite frankly.
Which is always!
@@levib
🤣
I dont think he is capable to do otherwise.
Awesome video. Sandy was fired up.
Tesla operates how artificial intelligence is supposed to operate. Faster iterations and progress than ever seen before. Constantly evolving.
This is a good example of disruptive technology and every engineer should watch this video. Total mind blowing! Thank you!
Every CEO should watch this video. Because I can guarantee you that the Chinese car companies are watching and rushing to catch up to Tesla. Lower costs mean you win in the long run and Chinese companies are very good at investing in the long run.
There is nothing disruptive about this lol…. Stop encouraging engineers to make less and less repairable vehicles and devices over and over again! When you go to the most remote places on earth you won’t see a car that was made entirely of single giant parts lol….
@@morrisg every CEO should not watch this tbh!
Disruptive hype.
@@morrisg The next step is to make the entire unibody as a single casting, that way after an accident you can scrap the entire vehicle instead of just half of it.
"It takes several years to move a design for a car into production." ALL I.C.E. car makers
"As quick as our suppliers can deliver, we can change a car's production design - accomplished in MONTHS." Tesla
"Production improvements CAN be made at the speed of thought." Sandy Munro
Great video and education. Those complain about crack fixing issue have no idea of how stiff the structure is. Every time you remove a join/bolt/weld and integrate two pieces in a continuous form, the stress transfer becomes more streamline and hence yields the structural rigidity. In short, more weld/join/bolt = higher risk of failure
Overstiff parts can mearly transfer the crack to another area.
@@andrewholdaway813 Agree with your point, that's why the engineers borrowed the power of FEA to simulate potential area of suspect for cracking if overstiffing issue exist and avoid it if not needed. Besides, the other factor is with the type of aluminum, which is more ductile than conventional aluminum. It has always been a tricky issue to balance stiffness and ductility for a structural part, not to mention ability to case...
Cory, you truly have a knack for video production. Really has been fun watching you grow this channel. Thanks for your efforts!
Thanks Bill!
Love this coverage and statements made in it. Thanks for brining up the damage to the casting since so many people fail to understand to damage the casting, you will be happy to walk out alive since you have crush cans etc to take most of the inertia.
The financial saving for the Giga castings is crazy, not just in part cost being cheaper but also logistics, chance of failure, quality check, molds for the small parts, workers, fixtures all cost A LOT of money.
I know! I've been having this argument with people for years. If the frame/underbody is bent, even in a traditionally-made car, the insurance is going to write that off as a loss, and send you a check. One of my first cars was a Honda Civic. I got into a accident, which *looked* pretty minor, but I bent in the undercarriage by the front passenger door, and the insurance company wrote me a $12k check. If you're in a bad enough collision to bend the frame, you're getting a new car either way, so the "repair cost" is a moot point; they will never be repaired.
@@AMortalDefiant The only way most people learn about this is from an accident. A wildly destroyed single part e.g. bumper cover is cheap to replace. Two slightly broken parts costs twice as much. A crushed fender is a common unbolt-replace repair. A very slight wrinkle in the C pillar means that something is bent beyond repair.
The latest casting looks like the Flinstones, simple and clean. No floor. Love it!
Munro Live is going to be great for the future of manufacturing. There's a child or young adult watching this, who will develop a love for engineering and manufacturing, based on your content. We need more people thinking about manufacturing and less about law and finance. Thanks for everything you do.
By far the best Anker sponsorship for this product. Really shows how much Anker is confident in their engineering.
Sandy's (well founded) ranting about striving to improve and advance the state-of-the-art reminds me of Steve Jobs saying "If you don't cannibalise your own products, someone else will" in regards to questions about the future of the then cash-cow iPod after the introduction of the iPhone, which nobody at the time thought would take off like it did (Jobs included).
respect for the herbert diess shout-out.
one of the few forward-thinking leaders in the otherwise stagnant automotive space
Nice seeing the last three generations body in white side by side. The changes and improvement are striking.
Morning cup of coffee + Sandy Rant = A most excellent start to my Friday
Can you share the weight of each body in white?
It applies all through the production. Superfast Matt did a nice video on th differences between the original Model S handles, and the later ones. Part of the reason for the changes was early Tesla was not getting much response from the parts suppliers, but now when Tesla calls up, it's "Oh Hi! What can we do for you?" The newer handles are more sophisticated,, but much more reliable, and likely cheaper. Sandy has done lots on the superbottle, and then the Octovalve. It's all through the cars.
@@grahammonk8013 I saw a Jaguar iPace with a stuck out door handle today.
This is exactly why I love this company. The management actually listens. They take their ego out of the situation and simply do what is right to create the best product.
This is so rare.
An open mind is the best option if you're sending humans to Mars.
Stock value - I have a friend who kept away from investing in Tesla while I just kept buying,, especially in the last dip. He did end up investing a few shares, but then sold according to his fancy charts. He just didn't understand how Tesla is different, and this is just the car business section, not to mention solar, software, AI, etc. Thanks Sandy for making this clear and convincing!
if your really want a deep dive in Tesla stock valuation, I suggest you head over and subscribe to Solving the Money Problem Steven Mark Ryan is a bit sarcastic but on the money with his analysis and why Tesla is the ONLY automotive stock to buy (unless you enjoy flushing your money down the toilet)
Tesla isnt diffrent!
“I’m not popular.” And that is why we love you Sandy. We need people like you that keep it straight.
pretty insane that Tesla can make these changes in such a short amount of time on a production vehicle.
One of the reason Tesla will not certify rebuilt old wrecks with particular VINs - the technology (and parts) used to manufacture them is obsolete and not available
Pretty insane that Tesla can make these changes in such a short time on a production vehicle and charge $15K more while reducing its manufacturing cost and time. Pretty insane indeed.
@@vipahman Pretty insane that there was just a global pandemic leading to serious supply chain issues and nobody seems to realize how that directly relates to cost and pricing of EVERYTHING.
@@vipahman It,s great for shareholders
NOT in any way claiming what TESLA is doing is easy, they are really clever AND at the right time AND with the Finances.
BUT
To change a legacy company might be IMPOSSIBLE, there is to much baggage
Probably the ONLY (Best?) way is how I understand Ford is doing it.
Start A NEW subsidiary, build that up while dismantling the old one...
You UNFORTUNATELY have to change a lot of skills, corporate culture and thereby people..
"I'm not popular" - Sandy Munro. His intellectual honesty is exemplary and that's why we love this guy.
Glad to see your company embracing change and growing its awesome to witness
Hands down your best video! Not because your glowing review of the Model Y castings, but the way you clearly articulate the differences between the 3 and the 2022 Y. You absolutely crushed it!
maybe the best episode so far, was as live as it gets.
I love seeing Sandy fired up. His passion is fantastic hard to believe many in the auto industry have the same enthusiasm. Great video.
The progress is a great complement to both Munro and Tesla .
Engineers at legacy auto must watch these and weep, they know what needs to be done but the suits get in the way.
Hey Fred... so true! That's why I have NEVER appointed suits to any job in my company.
It’s the battle between MBAs and Engineers, at Tesla we know who won.
@@brunosmith6925 I personally avoid appointing sweatpants as well. They just sit in a corner all day sulking in their own stench.
@@philipstull7629 MBAs have ruined more companies that they have helped!
@@ganymede3141 In the 33 years since starting my own business, I have also learned to NEVER ask business advice from the following:
1. Accountants
2. Banks and any banking staff
3. Academics (especially ones with "business degrees").
Mr. Munro has all my respect as a teacher, good engineer(rare in those days) and a dedicated citizen of USA.
More change by Tesla in 5 years than the legacy auto companies have in the last 50
Because Tesla is run by engineers and not bean counters. To drive that point home, Elon fired 10% of the non factory floor admin employees (about 3% work force)
it's not like this concept was invented by Tesla... Audi did this so called Audi Space Frame Concept in the early 90's and some of this is still state of the art. It's a great concept, no question about it. But obvs. a much better marketing strategy.
Sandy's blown away-ness tells you everything about the state of the auto industry
Best line ever "but I'm not popular". Sandy and Cory - everyone loves your frank and unadultered honesty, please keep it coming, everyone is sick of the propaganda and MSM BS. You guys are the best.
It's good to stop saying "MSM" and start saying "corporate media". This shows more precisely rationale behind each news they push.
These castings make Sandy look like a child who FINALLY got his present that he always wanted haha, delightful sight!
FINALLY, somebody knows and understands what innovation is!
The TESLA way is love at first sight!
Frustrating to see how most companies still work in 2020. Especially when you have to work for a Takumi engineer wanna-be!
Sandy, I guess we speak Swahili for them :-)
Everybody wins with Good Design !
Thanks Sandy.
I would short that Casting-fixing-thing to 1 point: If you have an accident and the casting is cracked and you get out of the car nearly uninjured, than be happy you are still alive and buy the next Tesla.
The force needed to crack the casting in case of an accident normally kills ppl.
Live saving is more worth than a giant piece of aluminium.
Absolutely. Safety and performance should be way ahead in consideration over repair-ability for that small percentage chance of having an accident where it's worse than a fender bender, but not having the car totaled. This is a feature that is a no brainier for any engineers.
Just like we've seen in electronics over the last several decades, integration brings about increased quality and lower prices with the trade-off being repairability - it's now almost always cheaper to buy a replacement device than the cost of labour to troubleshoot and repair it.
That's why you get insurance.
@@carsonj1 "The cars are still designed to be safe, they still have to pass the same standards and crash tests."
It's a different between passing a test and exceeding the requirements of the test.
@@peterzerfass4609 "That's why you get insurance."
No. That's why you buy safe car so you will survive.
Sandy is hitting on all cylinders. Makes me delighted to see that the age of the mind is indeed separate and distinct from the aged skin and gray hair.
He is a brilliant man, full of the sort of career-spanning knowledge that makes all of his observations so cogent and important. Bravo and well done, sir!
That horse analogy was... umm.. Try to avoid analogies all together, especially when you have such a great prop in front of you. Love you guys. Sandy is great. Corey is awesome.
Well yeah i kinda understand him what he tried to say. Its evolutionary design. :D Crocodile design works as it is and is nothing wrong with that. Same for car wipers. Its design dint really change for 80 yrs really. Because it works. SO yeah he fumbled explanation.
Yup. As someone who's deeply studied evolution by natural selection and Charles Darwin's works, I can only say - avert your eyes folks, move it along, nothing to see here. It would take a page and a half to work thru the kinks in Sandy's analogies.
@@alesksander On a tangential/pedantic point, Google suggests windscreen wipers were invented in 1902, so it was only 62 years before the invention of the intermittent wipers by Robert Kearns in 1964. The Wikipedia entry for him is an interesting read. Unfortunately the "Flash of Genius" movie about his invention and the subsequent lawsuits is somewhat tedious and boring.
Another great video from Munro! This video should be required viewing for all those involved in vehicle design, manufacture and management!
You🥰 are 1 of a kind - love your honesty
I worked in an accident repair shop 30years ago. We repaired really heavy accident damage on the expensive models back then, but today it seems to me that we have "moved on" and are just dumping the whole car. I think this path will end in the next few years, and we will learn to repair again and build vehicles that can be repaired. Of course with castings, but none in one piece...
This was great man. Loved Sandy's contributions especially, had to laugh a few times. Good to show props to Herbert Diess, one of the great!
Thanks for the short history lesson on Tesla's improvement process. It's a great motivation for engineers.
This is probably the best ever Monroe and Associates video I have ever seen !!
They are always interesting, but I'm not a qualified engineer (wish I was!) and they are sometimes a bit complicated. But this time with the presentation of the 4 bodyshells and their evolutionary journey in such a short time, I got it, I really properly got it.
Thank you both, Cory and Sandy - what a tag team - for giving me such a lesson that I will never allow myself to forget.
Love how you guys showed the drastic improvements they've made in manufacturing over such a short period of time.
Also, the bit about Herbert Diess at the end 🙌
Good video, really liked the support for Herbert Diess at the end. Too many people are tossed aside by corporations and it can be a kick in the gut. It's good to stand up for a good man when he's down.
You guys make engineering interesting to the normies. Thanks
Thanks for the teardown of the Anker battery and $200 off coupon, was looking for good, not cheap, battery pack like that size.
Wow Cory and team really like how you lined up 3 generations of Telsa next to each other and let Sandy give a master class on car body design evolution. Well done. one of the best videos ever!
So many good quips in this one. Didn’t realize I subscribed to a comedy show
As an engineer this video is a breath of fresh air. Love Sandy's attitude and commentary.
Very nice demonstration. Good to see Sandy back in front of the camera. It is things like the giga casting evoltion that 'analysts' miss when they place Tesla in the same category as legacy auto. More Sandy videos please.
Hi Sandy, always love your channel with all this innovative info!
Thanks, Bert!
Tesla continues to raise the bar, push the envelope and disrupt. We will all benefit because of it. Love it. Thanks Sandy
I just love watching Sandy. He is so smart and gets his points across so well.
told and explained the way all presentations should go..thank you sandy
"one part, one part" Welcome to repair after just a small, tiny, bump into something... A couple of little crack on the casting and you can basically throw away the chassis. Nice. Economical. Green. Good for the environment.
Love a good Sandy rant!
Thank you Team Munro😎
Wow ! This is a moment in the history of auto manufacturing. Thank you Sandy and Cory & Associates.
Anker giving Sandy a product to rip apart is the most Op marketing move I've seen in a couple of years.
Agreed, good move by Anker indeed. I've move them up in my brand ranking regard based on this review. I've read good reviews about Anker for a few years, but a Munro kudo really moves the needle to the high side of regard for me.
So nice to hear Cost of Quality mentioned. Having been in the quality arena for 30 years, no one is so close to quality as Sandy. Also, process improvement is a large part of quality and no one exemplifies that better than Elon Musk and Tesla. Instead of Kaizen or TPS and step improvements, First Principles goes for the breakthrough process and is THE quality improvement methodology of the future. Sandy and Elon say so many quality related ideas such as reduced process steps, reduced parts, no spaghetti diagrams, Poka Yoke or mistake proof process, its just great! And Tesla has no problem with others seeing these videos because Elon has a mission to expand the knowledge, not hold tight to it. Thanks for the great presentation guys.
Incredible work on part of tesla and idra. Revolutionary.
I’ve missed Sandy’s enthusiasm. It’s good to see him in a video again.
One of your best yet 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks, John!
I feel like we've been waiting for this moment to arrive for more than 3 years and it shows Sandy is quite relieved/redeemed to see Tesla follow through so successfully.
I know nothing about cars or metallurgy but I feel like "Peter Venkman" right now. It makes me smile to see the evolution of a car company, like Tesla, doing so much to make the world a safer place.
Just don't get slimed by listening to legacy OEMs talk about their automation investments.
@@spacegamer85 Unless we get a sample to examine.
Absolutely love Sandy Munro's take on the giga castings. He is so right and his passionate discussion on the Tesla innovations make me very positive about Tesla/TSLA and its future!
Sandy is doing his best to save the US car industry by being crystal clear about what’s needed! I believe, however, he sees the Chinese automakers as being far ahead and annihilating the US car industry as it is now.
Well boys...this is the video that puts both of you guys out front as engineers who can discuss realities in design where Mr. Average and Mrs. Average car owners can understand the evolution of vehicles. Buckminster Fuller would be smiling, knowing you are getting there. Well done...keep up the good work!
"one part" ideology for car body makes repair extremely difficult and expensive. So insurance premium skyrocketed not only for "one part" owners, but for all.
Any other car companies would take a decade to get this much changes to happen, maybe more. Even if the culture is there (which there isn't), there are just too many factories building cars the old way.
Getting parts from a catalogue and combined them, is not building. Teslas approach to build the process of the machine that makes the machine is the right one if you talk about a true fabrication process developer. Remember, the car is not the product, the manufacturing process is the product. The other car companies are just lego players.
@@LosZonga that’s some good insight
@@LosZonga Of course the car is the product. It's what the manafacturing process produces. The product.
@@richardraymond878 Actually, Tesla is reinventing the manufacturing process. That is their real competitive advantage. Part of that is a manufacturing process that allows for production changes in parallel. They can implement more design or production changes in a week than other car makers can do in a year. And that is just one example. Car makers assume the product is the car. They just buy parts and robots off the shelf. Tesla realized the product is the manufacturing process. They build the machine that makes the machine. They will apply that product to all kinds of things. Robots, HVAC, and countless other things we buy. Tesla has changed manufacturing in a way we can only begin to understand. This is much bigger than what Henry Ford did with the assemble line.
@@donm2255 Not entirely true. VW and Toyota build far more cars per year than Tesla and both those companies treat their platforms and manufacturing processes as products. Mitsubishi, Fiat and VW will even sell you an entire auto factory and help train people on how to run it. Both Toyota's TNGA platform and VW's family of "modular matrix" platforms allow them to build many variants of many cars, at different price points with minimum R&D overhead and time-to-market, using everything they have already. Tesla is doing something new because they have the luxury of doing so, but they aren't going to be the only company using gigacasting. Both Polestar and VW's new BEV factories will both employ the use of giant castings as well
Fantastic video, great to see Sandy so passionate and almost in awe at the pace and increase of innovation at Tesla, thanks to both of you, and the rest of Lean Design, for all you do and sharing it with us here :)
Sandys second tear down of a Tesla convinced me to buy the shares in 2019.
THANK YOU Sandy for changing my life !
These last two posts by Sandy should change the whole world. If they listen!!
It puts a new spin on a old saying:
Getting better every day.
Getting smarter everyday.
Great Job Munro Team
Spectacular Job Team Tesla
yes castings that are welded into the pressure hull of us submarines even, they weld repair them all the time, they excavate out cracks and the like and do weld buildups and send them out to sea!
I love these. Could watch all day.
OK - I am a retired GE Mechanical Engineer. I grew up in a garage/dealership. I am a “gear head”, just like you guys. I have been a student of Tesla. Here are some points to consider:
1) In 2012 there was a RUclips video of a Model S showing a box (like a thick Domino’s pizza box), on the roof. In 2014, there was another video showing early FSD, and the two guys were driving on a small CA back road. They said oh look, there is a Nikola Tesla tower out in the middle of that field. The tower had an elongated base like the Statue of Liberty, and a slender stainless cone with a sphere on top. I guessed that the tower was 60-75 ft tall and the top ball was maybe 16-20 ft in diameter. My “gut” says that they were testing Nikola Tesla powering of the electric car!!! To me, the current EVs are just a stop gap, with their large batteries. If you have a constant flow of electricity coming into an electric car (EC), you will only need a small battery for dynamic braking/acceleration(like a hybrid battery). There has also been some conspiracy information saying that the power distribution will be performed by the Starlink Satellites. Internet will be a sub frequency of the Quantum Resonance. The ECs will be vastly simplistic.
2) In ~2019, Elon made a number of diecast kids Model 3 cars. Why did he do this??? I think, he wanted to see what painted/wrapped surfaces looked like for future ECs. Last year, he took bails of recycled aluminum cans, smelted them and added in his alloys, AND produced billets for the Giga Presses. So I see a small car (Model 2) that has 4 main castings(skateboard/left side//right side/roof with roll bars) and numerous small castings, that make the entire body. What if there are NO stamped metal parts?? Body cost would be about 10-15% of current cost!!! Mostly robotic assembly, maybe NO welding. His Model 3 dreams just might be realized!!!
3) One of the first jobs that his new robots will tackle are installing wiring harnesses. Expect roof harnesses to be installed prior to the body being assembled, along with the entire dash, plus fire walls. The skateboard will have wiring harness, seats and console, just like the current battery pack. What if the body castings are painted/wrapped, cast doors are hung(with panel inserts) to the left and right sides, the hood and trunk/hatch are hung to the roof casting; and the entire car is assembled by bolting these major castings together. Then plastic panels are snapped in place covering the bolts. Four major casting assemblies form 98% of the finished car, except for plugging together wiring harnesses. Just a thought...
Gotta say, I loved the breakdown and endorsement of the Anker system. Before I buy something I always look at product reviews, but where can you get a product review with a full teardown and engineering examination? Munro Live! 🍻
There are other very good brands available
It turns out Cory is not just an excellent engineer / consultant BUT can also have fun! Sandy's message, backed up by a quote from Dr. Deming, was perfect. Excellent work!
🤗THANKS SANDY,CORY,ERIC FOR A MIND-BLOWING EPISODE 🤯🤯👍
And ALL YOUR STAFF doing all the behind the scenes work 😅 and the patrons for supporting you 😍😍😍
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Love your excitement. THE SPEED OF MUSK. This is historic. I own a model Y, X, and 3. Best vehicles in the world. Plus fill
Up at home with my solar panels. I have owned many exotic cars and previous gear head. Not any more
Love having guys like sandy around love the work man .. elon single handedly changed the industry ..im sure everyone who adopts this will save in the long run while increasing the build quality of the their cars ...
I am very proud and happy to work in this department at the GFBB in Germany after hearing these words and your comments (Special thanks to the great man for this beautiful (explanation
Thank you, I’ll watch this evening. I’d be really interested in learning about the molds that go with the large castings. It’s a Canadian company making them, and they acquired this May two factories in Italy, 20 min drive from IDRA, presumably to supply the European gigafactories. How many stamps does one of them molds last? They talk of “rebuild” of the molds, how is that different from building one fro scratch? Do they need heat treatment? how is that done? Learning a lot here, thanks.
I believe the rebuild is them having to redesign the giga press based on feedback and changes in physics due to size. I know physics doesn't change but when you reach a critical increase in size, the old ways of doing things don't scale properly so they have to be tweaked.
Steel molds for plastic injection pull 1million parts the heating and cooling causes micro fractures in the mold, and mechanical wear finally cause out of tolerance part. But that's plastic,. I have no idea about this amazing aluminum alloy Tesla is using. Haven't read any papers on it.
5 star presentation on Tesla drive to be perfect, each time, every time. Extremely informative, clear, concise and to the point. JWD!
The advantage of having one well designed part instead of many smaller is clear. However that is a great challange for foundries to achive homogeneous quality in such a big casting (means not to loose the money due to high level of scrap). HPDC is really complex process. Trust me, I'm an engineer 😉😁
I still think the cross-car beam of the battery, on which the seats sit, should be part of the body structure, and the battery inverter should be under the hood. The battery would still form the floor and the cross-car beam will give it more attachment points. These changes simplify the rear casting a little, and the assembly line workers can stand either side of the cross-car beam to do installations. The front and rear seats, the console, wiring harnesses and carpet can be installed before the battery is installed. Honda has a fold up rear seat in some of its vehicles. The space under the rear seat can be storage for driver/passengers.
That was inspiring. Sandy was clearly excited to show Tesla's engineering advances, but at the same time he's trying to tell legacy auto that the time is now to implement change. I hope they listen.
Yeah make only two car models and improve them and call it inspiring!? Wtf!!!!! Call me tesla can make everything from double decker bus to commercial vehicles! Vans, trucks, armoured vehicles…….
If Sandy is a fan of large structural automotive castings, he would absolutely love what I’ve come up with. I can do a nearly complete body in white with 3 gigacastings, 4 extrusions, and 2 floor stampings. The doors and lift gate structures would also be gigacast with injection molded plastic skins inside and out. Assembly would be very simple with thermal slip fit techniques along with snap fit panels and a handful of interior fasteners to prevent attempted disassembly from outside the vehicle.
The speed of improvement at Tesla is just phenomenal! Herbert Diess tried to move VW into a similar direction but got lost on the way. I hope some of his spirit remains at VW. And I'm sure he will get some decent job offers.