Sandy Tours IDRA Facilities | 9,000 Ton Giga Press
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2022
- Sandy gets a tour of IDRA's Giga Press assembly facilities in Italy. Thank you to John and Fiore for the wonderful tour and insights into the future of aluminum die casting!
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A big thank you to Sandy Munro and his team for coming to see us and then posting this informative video!
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Thanks for having us!
Brescia caput mundi 😀
What a fantastic place you have with top-notch workmanship.
This was incredibly interesting to watch!
IDRA's spokesperson in this video is top notch. I appreciate how he's able to engage both Sandy _and_ the audience seamlessly. You can tell he's quite comfortable and experienced with both human interaction and being on camera.
That's right but the other Italian is the man who designed it all with his team... proud Italian. Beautiful.
And Sandy is covertly interviewing him for a job. 😆
@@willemhaifetz-chen1588 Who didn't need subtitles. The spokesman is clearly English/Italian.
dude can sell
Agreed. Not just a regular sales person... this man has intimate system knowledge.
That was impressive. Engineering on an absolutely massive scale. Hats off to these guys; they really know their stuff.
In case anyone is interested in the stock, IDRA has been bought by a HK company during the 2008 crisis. Took me some time to find out
The mother company is now LK Tech stock ticker is on HK exchange 0558.
We have no idea of how they share profits with the mother company tho
Sandy and Idra come through under pressure.
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Very very impressive. Consider all the effort and ingenuity. And then compare this to say real estate, or banking, or even coding. Nobody gets their hands dirty there, and it’s really not that goddamn hard. This stuff is cutting edge! These other people making real progress for human civilization, not the pencil pushing parasites.
Yeah, that was a really fascinating video. I kept trying to place John's accent - my best guess would be Scandinavian, educated in England. Looking forward to follow up videos.
I'm so excited to watch this IDRA tour. Such an important company. The Italian people should be really proud of them :) True European innovation
Company is now owned by …you guessed it, 🇨🇳.
I'm sure some flag waving US citizen will find a way to massage its challenged ego and put a US flag sticker on it. ;-)
@@bsl2501 ah, classic
@@mandoleg but still, I‘m so happy this is in italy an flourishing. purpose!
@@bsl2501 They can't get mad and take the Italian factory to China. Italy already has their money.
It's awesome to see Sandy getting nerdy with an engineer. You can see how excited he is about his work. No marketing BS here, just raw engineering nerdiness. I love it!
He is marketing, but knows about the machine.
You can see he is proudly explaining as he goes.
Best way to market anything.
Italy has superb engineering skills and facilities. I’ve toured a few of their manufacturing factories and their overall designs and the tooling that makes and machines the components are generally second to none.
Some of the best engineers I saw at MSFT were also Italian. It's how they think about design that stands out in my memory.
Loved the openness of the Idra tour team and the way Sandy let them explain without needless interruptions. A class act all round.
Why can't they test with aluminum in Italy, and have to do a dry test? Anyone know? Both kind of glossed over that.
Thanks to Tesla for making this tour a reality. Munro couldn’t convince OEMs to build a casting machine even half the size of the GIGAPRESS. IDRA wasn’t even sure if it was possible. Musk asked 5 casting machine companies to build the gigapress. 4 of them said it was impossible and IDRA said, “it might work”. Musk took that as a “Yes”. IDRA believed in their engineers to take the journey with TESLA.
Fun to see Sandy’s mind blown…
Yeah, i remember that quote very well. IDRA took the chance to make history 😎✌👏
Minimum of yearly parts required to make Giga pressing cost effective is 30-50k per year. The other manufacturers aren’t going to be doing the minimum yearly, so it’s TSLA only game for the auto sector.
So even @ the 500K output of TeraAustin, the 50K is done in less than a quarterly.
@@iPhil77 this is a huge “tell”. The other OEMs are concerned about demand otherwise they would make the investment. They have not designed an EV with any real demand.
@@iPhil77 The other OEMs will be getting into this game because the economics makes sense going forward. 50,000 parts? How many millions of vehicles are built in a year? How many hundreds of thousands on shared platforms? Now compare how much floor space and how many other giant stamping machines and welding rigs this replaces, and how much labor and time it could save. Its not even about EVs. Its about general automotive manufacturing.
@@GET2222 More like they are fine with their manufacturing processes and can build millions of cars a year. If they feel the need to lower costs, perhaps they would switch in the future; however, they'll wait for someone else to prove out the new process before adopting it. (just like all the big automakers waited for Tesla to prove there was an EV market)
"Big Auto" EV mfg. delays will be due to battery or semiconductors, not frames / body panel creation.
Holy crap! everything is HUGE at IDRA, unbelievable that this all works as intended. The masses, speed and accuracy is mind blowing!
They just finish putting it together, and test it, then they tear it down ! Sandy must love that bit....
I found Fiore easier to listen to. He started out by stating what the largest constraint was (customers want shorter injection times), then the implications of that constraint (faster movement, which makes stopping the machine and in particular stopping the hydraulic fluid more difficult), and then what they did to meet that constraint (more pumps and moving the valves to the moving platen itself to minimize the volume and mass of hydraulic fluid past the valves).
Subtitle guy did a good job.
Yeah what are the chain of things that have to change with what may seem like one small change. Really a huge change.
"Customers said 120ms is too slow" To fill a huge die in 120ms seems very fast to me.
"This is a shock absorber, capacitor and on top of that it's also an accelerator". That's another great line.
I like how Sandy reiterates three minutes of explanations in one sentence.
"This is a shock absorber, capacitor and on top of that it's also an accelerator".
I used to work with high pressure diecasting machines in the 80's. One of the early projects I was involved in was replacing a worn out (unreplaceable and increasingly unreliable) mechanical timer used to sequence the injection phases. We built a custom controller based on a 6800 microprocessor that enabled the timing of the hydraulic valve actuations. I also assisted in commissioning a used Idra press that they bought. A key skill in the foundry was the metallurgy, the lab had a spectrum analyser to QA the aluminium for the correct alloys. That was also interesting to work on, as callouts were at least 24 hours delayed, I was allowed to try to fix it when it broke down, as there was no production without QA of the materials.
Way to make it all about you Zagabog.. 😄
@@airheart1 Way to oversimplify Airheart1. When you push up against design limits, things break. I saw huge chillers run at 120% capacity, then get 18% Life Span. Owners were puzzled why 4 units failed in 16 months. The other units were on the way to failing given enough run time. There were 6 different points of failure that the manufacturer did not provide for. But they were sold anyway being inadequate to site conditions.
@@Bruh-mo5kk it was just a joke.. see the smiley face? Ahh well.. I thought it was funny at least lol
OffTopic but damn A ludbud here. Awesome
Let's thanks the truckers and logistics workers for their roll in getting these machines to Tesla. It' s team effort. Fascinating report.
I'm guessing most of this stuff would be shipped via boat.
💪4 real ! it's probably 12-24 semi loads here!
Trains are much better.
@@mick0matic Sensitive equipment like this can be hauled on European trains because chain and buffer coupling giving a smoother ride, but not on American ones which are way rougher because of the AAR couplers, they create lots of slack.
I was thinking about that. How amazing is it that men are able to move these machines all the way to various Gigafactories?
Cool stuff!
As a machinist who has made stuff on a much smaller scale over the years, I would of love to see the machines that actually do the "machining" to these huge parts. They must be absolutely massive.
The sheer size is impressive - and the tolerances and timing sequences and the engineering problems to overcome - for a humble electronics dude, this is just incredible...
a how-2 video! like on the discovery channel !! right!
Yes, lets see the machine that makes the Machine; which then makes The MACHINE.
Manufacturing is like a huge Russian nesting doll in reverse.
Sounded like the big stuff was cast not machined, but what do I know.
Congratulations on achieving 300K ! 600K will happen even faster! You've been a credit to manufacturing and the incredible talent to be found in all forms of engineering!
They deserve 3,000,000 subscribers. But real world knowledgeable channels without the click bait b.s. Sadly never really thrive in today's click bait mis information filled, fast food type of mentality based on never ending endless consumerism society. 🤔
Wow, thank you!
@@4literv6 I guarantee 3M still won't be enough because of one word: GREED
Holy crap, that was amazing and the IDRA hosts were so gracious and knowledgeable. I'm not sure if they understood the gravitas of Sandy's praise though. Thanks for sharing Team Munro!
As an Electrical Engineer, this was jaw dropping for me.
Thank you Sandy and IDRA. 👍👍🇺🇸
I never thought that I would develop such an interest in complex engineering - and while I have an above-average understanding of much of the physics, most of this sort of stuff is way over my head - but Munro Live has become a MUST watch programme for me. Thanks to all involved for going out there and producing world-class mini-documentaries that deserve all the accolades you are getting. Proud, and honoured to be a subscriber.
I'm sure that for most mortals who have even a basic understanding of engineering, their brain cells have melted with the sheer size and complexity of these machines. 🤯🤯🤯
Mind blowing - tons of steel and liquid metal accelerating and decelerating in sub-second time-frames. And doing this again and again, 24-7!
Well done Idra. You have earned the right to own the Giga-press name.
We seem to be living in the most interesting time of engineering and manufacturing in the last several thousand years at least. Thank you Munro and Associates for documenting this history and making it digestible and fascinating to even the regular non-mechanics and engineers like me. These videos will educate and inspire people for years to come
This is a culmination of decades of manufacturing technologies. Fantastic to see. We're really entering a new age of products in terms of advances in material science, electronics and energy storage.
Concorde flew for decades and got grounded. Space shuttles were actually reused.
Electric city buses were normal already over 100 years ago. BEVs set all the speed records even with ICEs in mass production. Low cost production of the stuff we also don't really need is getting better though. Processed "foods", personal vehicles, TV screens, etc.
And thank you Tesla for making all of this relevant in today's world!
@hypnotard69 Yip,... tho Isambard Brunel might have grounds to dispute that claim 😅
The machine that makes the machine that makes the machine.
The audience Munro & Associates commands now is basically a stadium of people. Thanks for bringing this to the masses and making the information accessible for the curious. There is so much insight and value being “a fly on the wall” watching M&A.
27:58 the real italian speaking italian in the background 🤌🤌
Proud to be 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
What a great video. Would love to do another interview with Sandy. Last one was AMAZING.
enjoyed every second of this video. I am super impressed. IDRA can be very, very proud of themselves. Thanks for helping Tesla to become better every day. Tesla with, amongst other innovations, IDRA rules the house. The rest pays rent.
Mind blowing. Making real engineering COOL.
Cool to see Sandy overcome language barriers and communicate through the universal language of engineering.
They were all speaking English
Excellent video.
They are speaking my language, having worked for Husky injection molding for 23 years.
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR SOOOO LONG!!! THANK YOU, SANDY!!!
You are welcome!
Incredible machines! I really appreciate being able to see and hear the discussion about how they work and are made.
Thanks Sandy for the amazing tour and CONGRATS to 302,000 Subs!!!
Wow, things like this wil change our world 😊
Incredible engineering and a great showcase for Italian design. Congratulations.
This is just amazing how humans can think this stuff up at such an immense scale! Wow.. truly amazing engineering. Viva Italia!
Idra is from my town in Italy: really proud of this Italian excellence
Grande gnaro!!
Holy Macaroni!!! Having worked around machinery of this size, I can appreciate what is at stake when designing and testing. The amount of mass and time cycles is absolutely awesome. Just thinking about those huge steel shafts being used as a spring gives one pause. Great tour!!
Kinda reminded me of battleship engineering or large scale ship building tbh. Amazing a machine like this makes a single piece of a car. 😎
Munro has opened a whole new world for me. Never before did I care about this kind of machining until I discovered Tesla and Munro. I am enjoying this learning journey immensely. My background is elec. eng. in the medical imaging field, very far removed from a 9000 ton Gigapress! Great work Sandy and associates.
A whole new world
A new fantastic point of view
No one to tell us, "No"
Or where to go
Or say we're only dreaming
A whole new world
100% !!!
@@MunroLive never did I think an Aladdin song lyric would be correlated to engineering so well. Hilarious and ingenious.
Fascinating. I too started off life as a tool maker (for Tecalemit) and making moulds was an art, it's now a science and it's fascinating how we have progressed in the last 50-60 years. My first lathe, as an apprentice had 3.5 turns of backlash on the feed handle and the bed had wear in the bed-ways, now look at the precision we can achieve
Most of it was way over my head- but still very interesting and eye-opening. I knew the Giga-Presses were large- but I had no idea of the size of the 9000 Ton machine. Impressive! It looks like it could die-cast our entire house in one 200ms burst of molten aluminum... Thanks, Sandy and Company for this amazing video!
Amazing! As a youth in the '70 and living in Milano, I often passed IDRA on the motorway. I was into plastics, but the injection processes are similar! Compliments to Italian genius!
Congratulations to Munro and all associates…. On your 300,000 mile stones….. looking forward to 1million viewers in the next 5 years…. Been watching Munro Live from the beginning…. Keep up with the great work!!
It seems like fate that Tesla and IDRA are working together and that IDRA named their massive presses the "Giga-press" just as Tesla named their massive factories "giga-factories". We are witnessing the marriage of the auto revolution of EVs with the manufacturing revolution of high-volume mega-casting. People gett hyped about 3D printing, but this is just as significant in many ways. Henry Ford greatly improved the manufacturing of automobiles with the assembly line, now Elon is once again improving the manufacturing of automobiles by using IDRA's presses. It's really amazing what IDRA has accomplished here.
Well said! 👍🏻
Amazing that Ford without the machine's, software automation and robot's of today's factories. Somehow between 1922&23 produced and sold over 3,300,000+model t in just the U.S. what a mean feat of raw human engineering and manufacturing prowess. 😎
@@4literv6 Impressive even by today's standards.
Tesla has absolutely nothing to do with the naming. They were using that branding before tesla ever starting marketing it
@@mattbrew11 Yeah, Elon wanted it to be called the alien dreadnought, the public had other ideas and instantly dubbed it the Gigafactory after IDRA.
@@companyman7128 no. They are unrelated. I bet you think elon invented Gigabyte too
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I was in Verona during this time, I should have went. IDRA is amazing. Italy is a top manufacturer of everything related to fluids.
If I’m not mistaken this 9 ton press is headed for giga Austin and will one day be pumping out cyber castings. Really quite an amazing machine. It’s great to see Tesla supporting Italian heavy industry.
It already arrived early this year I believe.
Thanks so much Sandy to share the Italian’s expertise in machinery around the world. I’m very proud of it. John is a super host
It's great to see the happy and positive reaction from the person giving the lecture when he (or she) recognises that the audience actually understands what is being taught.
you got to appreciate the companies that make disrupting the market possible. thanks for making this tour possible IDRA and Sandy!
300k!!! Thank you Sandy and team!
Sandy and the munro guys congratulations! Keep up the good work, very interesting stuf as always, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Loved how Sandy patted the engineer on the back and told him well done. The engineer really appreciated the appreciation 👍
Thanks Sandy for letting us know better the engineering behind GigaPresses. It’s truly fascinating and make me so proud of italian entrepreneurship 🇮🇹
Just wow… thank u for bringing this engineering marvel to us
I've heard Taurus, the gun maker I believe in Brazil, use a type of molten metal injection. But using steel or steel alloys. It works very similar to plastic mold injection. All these technologies, plus 3D metal printing is changing our manufacturing paradigm. I love this channel Munro Rocks!
Some do. Henry Rifle in Wisconsin uses them for the smaller parts, Ive seen that operation personally.
Can be either hot-chamber or cold-chamber die-cast
Absolutely fantastic to watch!!! We are in a whole new era of youtubing with this stamping explaned and the 4680 cell by Gordon. Amazing!!!
That was impressive! Thanks for sharing the tour with us!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Truely a video for engineers. Loved hearing about the efficiency of their large presses
So happy you guys are part of this community!!
Italy has very beautiful machinery suppliers and manufacturers. It is good to see that Idra is taking advantage of that.
I am thoroughly impressed by the sheer size and precision of those machines.
I just love that my foundry industry is getting some love! I've probably been to the shop that is making all those massive steel castings, Sheffield? Voestalpine? Sande Stahlguss? In Italy perhaps?
It's rellay cool to learn about the massive upgrades IDRA had to come up with to meet Tesla's cycle time requirements. Great video!
You mean
"The customer"? 😉
@@rogerstarkey5390 Yeah, but their other customers were happy with whatever they could get off the shelf; they aren't pushing the envelope on manufacturer like Tesla is. Most of the companies Tesla contacted said this was impossible to do.
Very interesting video and I'm very proud of this is engineering and made in Italy.
Complimenti per la tecnologia e l'innovazione.
Whenever I talk to anyone about Tesla or EV manufacturing in general, I tell them to check out your channel and to hit the Subscribe button. I grew up in Detroit during the 60s and 70s, surrounded by so many people who worked in the automotive industry during that time and for the past 45 years many friends of mine went into the automotive industry in one capacity or another. As a result, I very much enjoy and appreciate the videos you produce.
Thankyou!
Engineering porn, love it. The Northern Italy fabricator network has clearly withstood the test of time, too. Thanks for this glimpse.
Hello Sandy, Thank you and your team for some amazing videos.
I love that guy John. You can tell he super passionate about the possibilities here. He knows his machines.
Italian pride in engineering and craftsmanship. I bet they feed their employees well too! 😁
This is kind of “out of my wheelhouse”, but I persevered and really learned a lot about how the manufacturing processes have advanced. It’s just amazing to see the scale and capabilities of these IRDA Presses - thanks to Sandy for bringing us such interesting content and thanks to Fiore and John for taking the time to educate us! As a follow-on (kind of out of scope for this particular video), it would be interesting to hear about supply chain challenges that IRDA is facing. Or, are they operating in less impacted areas?
It’s basically European engineering from the mold castings to electronics, valves……. I’m sure a lot of it comes from Germany via train too.
Kind of mind-blowing to be honest. after seeing the entire seating arrangement hooked to the battery pack of a Tesla and assembled as a single unit... this is just insane. Talk about engineering innovations.
Nothing mind blowing to see here! That structural battery like Corey said in Munro live is a total disaster with not reusability/repair in mind what a joke!!
You can see the gears turning in Sandy's head as he stares intently and absorbing everything in sight! I know the feeling.
Thank you Sandy.
Wow!
Stopping 240 tons in 50 mm(2 inches)!
I could cry.
When we think of Italy, many think of political “keystone-cop” type chaos and instability … but we should think of engineering excellence and superb professionalism.
MUNRO and Associates is one of the BEST advertising that TESLA could ask for. And all honest and factual info from Sandy Munco !
Wow, so massive.
What a great tour. Thanks for posting!
i clicked on this so fast i hurt My finger.
IDRA is making possible something that is hard to comprehend,
without imagination and application.
it ain't enough to just think about something.
I bet the Sandy Munro mind is just whirling right now.
Excellent information! Thanks Sandy and crew
Thanks for watching, Tim!
This is very cool and impressive! I'm working at Nedschroef Machinery in Herentals Belgium, where we make cold and warm metal forming machines, ranging from 15T to 250T. Most of our clients are in the automotive industry making fasteners. Really enjoyed this walkthrough guys! I just love machinery and the complexity that comes with it. Our machines can do about 240 pieces /minute for a small machine of about 25T, to 90 pieces /minute for the big machines. And even after working here for 10 years it still amazes me when we are testing these machines. I hope you can show and explain us more about the machines that build the machine in future video's. This is what drives all the industies, but is never really shown to the world! Thank you Munro!!! Keep up the engineering work and analysis, and keep inspiring people to work in these industries.
I know people keep saying this on this channel, but i just can't believe I'm watchinig something like this for free
you guys are absolutely amazing
Congrats Sandy, Corey and team! Great job and you deserve every single sub and more! Look forward to the next 600k and it will come, keep producing great quality stuff…
All the other companies said "No" and IDRA said... "Maybe". Glad they weren't afraid to literally break the mold and do something else.
Thank You Sandy for taking us directly to the source! Now quit working to go back to vacation.
Which other companies said no" do you have any proof!? Wtf!!!
@@carholic-sz3qv Elon said so
@@caballus2005 lol…. You blindly believe everything he said right!? Why is it that when he talk about his experiences with ford he always talk about the 80’s as if we were still at that period!?
@@carholic-sz3qv Why would he lie about it? Anyways that's what he said, it's up to you to believe him or not.
Wow thank you for this I work in the injection molding industry and I was fortunate enough to be involved in the installation of a4000T press and this 9000T dwarfs it
AND CONGRATULATIONS 🎉 🍻🥂🥃TO MONROE AND ALL YOUR ASSOCIATES FOR HITTING 302,000 subs and I am VERY THANKFUL TO BE ONE OF THEM 🙋♂️
That was really interesting.
I have worked with injection molding of plastic for most of my life, but with smaller machines.
The forces involved here are just amazing. I guess that the hardest part is to make the machine survive the forces it introduce to itself.
You can see how IDRA really was a natural fit for partnering with Tesla.
Exactly what I was thinking. I doubt there is any stick in the mud, old school, this is the way it's always been done type companies working with Tesla anymore. Sharpen your pencil, Bring your best can-do attitude and be ready to climb mountains is the order of the day.
@@GROND15 Tesla don't climb mountains, they lower the earth underneath it
The aluminum alloy that tesla made enabled all this. They have an alloy that requires no heat treatment. With other metals like iron or steel, the larger the cast gets, the worse the tolerances get and I think its exponential. The bigger you go, the less accurate the casting is. So you are limited on size. Aluminum tolerances flatline once you hit a certain size and don't increase as you get bigger. Making it perfect for large castings and it is why the castings are so uniform which then translate to a car body that self aligns off of the castings. Castings like this are a no brainer and it is mind boggling that other companies aren't begging to get these machines.
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 hmmm, I like that analogy.
Nice way of pointing out that Tesla are not just building EVs, but also trying to make it easier for anybody to make them.
Kick ass and take no prisoners.
Sandy,
Killer tour - learned a bunch! 🙂
Sandy looks so totally overwhelmed the whole time. Really fun video!
I still have no idea how this thing works but it's cool to see the scale of it.
The principle is simple - a mold that consists of two halves. One half is mounted fixed and the other one is movable. You close the mold, inject liquid aluminium and open the mold once the aluminium has solidified. What is really amazing is that they were able to scale this up to this huge size.
This basically uses absurd pressures to hold a giant waffle maker together except the heat comes from nearly boiling hot aluminum shot in at 180,000 PSI.
Yeah, I'd love to see a cutaway animation (including the cooling systems) so we can get a full appreciation of the ingenuity and problem solving that goes into the design. Simple in practice, but complex issues at this sort of scale.
Wow there really gearing up for about a dozen presses a year. That is wonderful.
A bit more than that. He said they could have six mchines if they expand to both bays, with an assembly time of 4 months!
All the OEMs are working on this. A little birdie told me theres an idra competitor coming to northern florida soon
Wow, what a company. Great presentation and amazing engineering. The knowledge shown is breath taking.
I have a LOT of favorite channels, and I can't think of one who could even competently transrcibe this video in a way that makes sense, let alone ask the questions Sandy did. Amazing.
More companies should produce such contents
Amazing enormous machines. Love the tour!
Congrats and kudos, Sandy.
"Absolutely Excellent Tour"
Loved seeing the Tesla Red components. Glad to Know Giga Texas is still set for success. Thanks for the amazing video and info I really can't get anywhere else!
IDRA in its own way is as revolutionary as Tesla, just in a different area of technology.
This was an epic video.
Sandy actually look pretty impressed.
I wonder if legacy Auto will figure it out, before it's too late..
Now
373K subscribers BRAVO!!! Well deserved...
This was a fantastic explanation of the issues involved at scale, as a non-engineer I got this really quickly. Slowing things down quickly is hard without destroying things! Excellent. Congrats to IDRA, they are on the upwards rocket.