@Pumpkin after everything she did for him and to end her life in such a malicious way is just awful - hearing him prepare for the whole thing, unplugging her phone and making obstacles?? absolutely horrible
I was the “troubled” older teenager that was taken in by my grandma and this case really got to me. My grandma is generous and kind just like the lady in this story. My grandma means the world to me and she helped me through so much. She gave me a place to stay when I was young and pregnant and didn’t shame me or make me feel like I did something wrong. Im older now but I still rent the house next to her so that I can see her every day and check on her. I can’t imagine ever taking advantage of her kindness and doing something mean to her, especially something this horrible.
Like you i adored my nan rene ...she sadly passed away on December 4 th ....2015 i was so sad ...if any one had hurt look out also miss her she was so kind caring rip nanny rene ⭐
Like you i adored my nan rene ...she sadly passed away on December 4 th ....2015 i was so sad ...if any one had hurt look out also miss her she was so kind caring rip nanny rene ⭐
Hi Eleanor, I am a therapist and here (in Belgium) it’s not legal for a therapist to report past crimes if a patient makes a confession, I can only break confidentiality to prevent future harm (which was definitely the case here given the google searches, but I thought you’d find it interesting!)
Does that mean that if a serial killer confessed to their therapist but assured that they would never do it again, the therapist couldn't go to the police. Also, in this scenario, if the therapist did go to the police, could that testimony be taken as evidence against the killer and would the therapist go to prison for it?
Here in the US most therapists and psychiatrists and even school counselors call the cops or an ambulance or social services within seconds if you report anything about harming yourself or others, even if it’s only just a passing thought. I knew someone who literally got charged with domestic terrorism because he had said to his therapist that he wanted to shoot himself. America does not play around with that stuff, it doesn’t even matter if it was a past crime or past attempt, they’re legally supposed to report that kind of stuff. It’s called mandated reporter. So things like therapists, teachers, nurses, doctors, even store managers are mandated reporters, so they legally need to report any danger or possibility of danger whether its past, present, or future.
@@RatpoisonbeanReally? My therapist has told me that she will only tell anyone something that I’ve said to her if she thinks that I am going to hurt myself or someone else.
@@geekgirl_luv4262 The only thing is if it was a past suicide attempt, that’s different your therapist won’t call anyone unless they believe you’re going to try again. But if you’ve admitted to killing somebody or assaulting someone- then yes your therapist has to take the legal course of action by making a report
it’s the fact that mary would never know her own family started the fire and killed her, i bet she was so scared and thought it was her fault. how cruel
Not really because, I’m sure as she tried to get out, seeing all the random obstacles in her path must have raised suspicions that I don’t necessarily she thought of too long about because of the panic she must have been in. Probably thought it was a bad dream. But FOR SURE she must have known she didn’t place those things there.
Worse, she was probably not even thinking about her life but about her grandkids she probably wanted to go help him and make sure he was fine not knowing that he was safe since the beginning
she is sweet this case breaks mg heart honestly especially because it isnt long ago when this case was his own grandma took him in and he KILLED her wth 🤦🏻♀️
as someone with anxiety, depression, and autism i feel that it is important to note that these conditions don’t cause you to murder people. not once have i considered murdering someone especially not my grandmother. these conditions are in no way responsible or valid excuses for violent behavior especially not murder. there is a stigma around mental health disorders and autism so i want to make it abundantly clear that just because someone has these conditions DOES NOT make them violent people. really not even that different from neuro typical people. while it is possible that providing adequate mental health support could have prevented this from happening his mental health is not the only factor in what caused him to commit such a horrific crime. may the grandmother rest in peace.
Yess thank you, i'm autistic and i suffer with social anxiety and it started at the same age as him actually, I have never thought about committing such crimes. there is so much stereotypical stigma around said issues that it causes so much fear and embarrassment for people with these mental disorders.
@@mollied8528 exactly. i didn’t see anyone else comment this and because there’s so much misinformation and stigma about autism and other mental disorders i felt the need to make it clear. i also have severe social anxiety and so when in videos like these where tons of people are watching it and it’s not made clear that these disorders are not what’s causing the crimes it gets a lot worse because people will start to associate the two things with each other despite them being totally unrelated. idk if my grammar makes any sense lol. there needs to be a lot more education about autism so that the stereotypes and misinformation goes away. anyways i hope you’re doing well :)
@@broskify did you literally not get the point of what i was trying to say??? yeah he had these things but they aren’t going to cause someone to be a fucking murderer. there is so much stigma and misinformation about these conditions so i highly recommend instead of sticking to your ignorant ideas you listen to the people who actually have these conditions and educate yourself
THANK YOU. mental health issues are a thousand times more of a danger to the person that has them. these cases DO happen, but they are a rarity, and not enough people understand that. mentally ill people =/= people capable of murder.
when she told this story and then when you actually realize that he would’ve gotten away with murdering his poor grandmother, it’s actually scary to realize how many people are probably walking around the streets joking, laughing, eating at restaurants and starting families while they’ve committed a murder and never got caught and maybe never will get caught
And also the fact that this wasn't even classed as a homicide so there was never a murder investigation that MIGHT have eventually gotten him. All the unsolved murders out there are scary enough, but the fact that there's even more people that aren't even being looked for because no one knows there was even a murder in the first place....so sad :(
@@cassandra_cassowary honestly, there should have been an investigation so its baffling that it was classed as an accident despite the obvious foul play present. the table pushed up against the door from the inside like??? the firefighters really looked at that and said "yea that's fine that's normal?" there's no way he shoud've been able to get away with that for so long
I was looking for this comment! Like what did they think when they saw a table pushed in front of the door to the room she was found dead in?! Like how was that not suspicious! The UK police/justice system is a joke!
@Eynis Rose Varda well because the son had depression and anxiety, most people aren’t gonna assume someone depressed is going to try to murder their grandmother in cold blood. it’s not like he had a mental illness that’s stereotypically connected with violence. even though depression and anxiety doesn’t mean no violence, in the eyes of the law, they aren’t red flags
As a fellow anxiety sufferer, I really appreciate how you explained how dibilitating it can be. Some days it can be difficult to even leave the house..it really is a drag.
It drives me insane knowing that if he didn’t admit it the second time he would’ve gotten away with it. Just imagine how many times this has happened and no one did anything. Rest In Peace Mary
Do we know for certain though that the therapist wouldn't have done anything? It sounds like they actually did the best thing they could have done in that situation. Build up trust, get him to admit to the whole thing - in front of another witness - and you seem to have a solid case. Do you think he'd ever have been convicted if they'd just called the police based on one, random, unelaborated upon comment?
I’m so glad you mentioned how horrific camhs is. I obviously think what happened was abhorrent, but I also really respect that you were so honest about how awful that service is.
Can confirm they're shite. I have BPD and C-PTSD and they completely ignored that and tried to diagnose me with autism instead just because I was a "problem child". I don't even have autism wtf.
@@VampiraVonGhoulscout I can confirm also. I'm starting to think I don't have autism and I genuinely think I have BPD. It does run in my family and I'm trying to get diagnosed. I did get diagnosed with anxiety and depression though but I do keep thinking they said I have autism just to shoo me off.
@@K4THR3N exactly. They're just trying to get you out of their office. I've had one person say I'm on the spectrum and another five that said I'm not so obviously I'm not.
They completely missed my PTSD. I was only diagnosed about 10 years later. They kept on telling me that everyone has bad memories and that I have to get over it
I remember my CAMHs experience, it was awful. I told my therapist about my SA as a child, she said 'boys will be boys, and it wasn't that bad' I hated her, but was forced to go by my mum for years.
My CAMHS therapist who prescribed me my medication overdosed me so bad I collapsed at school and had to be rushed to hospital, after this I had to prove I wasn't trying to kill myself and the doctor was basically let go because he wasn't fit enough anymore to be a doctor
@@lina_ann I know but apparently it happened to a few other people in my age group I was basically the last straw it's so sad man how kids are failed by CAMHS
@@kaede1093 honestly it's not just CAMHS. I've recently been seen by my local adult mental health service for an assessment and it was rushed. The guy also answered a phone call in the middle of it.
Completely off topic but can we talk about how beautiful eleanor looks! It's so lovely to see her embrace a more natural look and I'm so here for it. She's absolutely glowing!
ummm right?? the crime scene sounds RIDDLED with red flags. how can you miss a table that was pushed in front of an exit door? besides the disabled smoke alarms!
@@ravenswing7816 The table could’ve been pushed over in her hurry to escape the fire, trapping her, but I never even thought of the disabled alarms and phone!!
I'm so sorry for your loss, I hope you're doing okay💚. I am in a similar situation and am infuriated by this case, he absolutely did not deserve such an amazing grandmother.
Sadly we are going to see a lot more cases like this one because children are going undiagnosed and not receiving help when they are calling out for it. If autism isn't diagnosed and the child doesn't receive the correct help throughout their life it can manifest into other mental health problems such as paranoid schizophrenia. The uk is currently in a mental health crisis which not man seem to be that worried about.x
I went to college with him, almost went on a date with him. He was kind of awkward but my whole friend group had some level of mental illness so he'd sit with us. Weirdly we were studying forensic science and he always seemed quite interested. It's kind of scary how normal murderers can be
Hi, I'm working on a documentary about this case and would really like to hear a bit more about this - do you think you could reply and I can send you my email so I can tell you a bit more about the programme? Thanks, Clare
i cant describe it but eleanor just seems so radiant lately, she seems so much happier and healthier these past few months 💕💕 she honestly just seems so gorgeous and fun
i’m with camhs at the minute and my personal therapist is amazing, she has helped me so much, although the crisis team are awful, i once called the crisis line when i was literally sewerslidal and they told me to “have a cup of tea and a bath”, it was honestly traumatic, they just don’t care about their patients whatsoever
i called a crisis line once and the person was so rude and even got annoyed at me because I was struggling to calm down, you could literally hear the irritation in their voice which is part of the reason I couldn't calm down
@@samspam1788 people try helping the CAMHS service with better ways to improve their advice but they never listen. i’ve never met one person who has had a positive experience with them, and if you have or someone you know has then that’s great
I’m not even a minute in, but can be all take a minute to appreciate how GORGEOUS Eleanor is? Like she’s so naturally beautiful. And the color of the blouse/top she’s wearing really accentuates her eyes, skin, and hair color.
I haven't watched her fod awhile i didn't even recognize her lol I'm like who is this im subscribed to they look familiar 👀😂 she does look so beautiful! She did before as well thoo!
I don't think it's fair for everyone to be like 'She's so beautiful' just because she lost weight. She was always beautiful but now fatphobics (yes that's what y'all are) can finally see it. Go comment that on her vids for 2 yrs ago instead.
@@janhurst544 people might say she looks good a well as that. But don't take it like that's the reason cause on all her videos there's comments saying she's gorgeous before and after. She was always stunning. :)
His therapist probably followed the doctor and patient confidentiality agreement. There are a lot of therapists out there that know these types of things and don't report it. It's truly sad.
I work in behavioral health (in the USA so maybe it’s different in that country), but the confidentiality agreement doesn’t apply to disclosures like that. They usually actually have you sign a treatment form which states it somewhere on there. Edit: After looking into it a little more it seems to vary quit a bit depending on location.
I’m a mental health counselor in the US. if a client told me that they had killed someone in the past, I legally and ethically cannot tell anyone. it’s covered in confidentiality. the only times I can break confidentiality are when someone’s life is currently in danger, such as suicidal thoughts, homicidal thoughts, elder abuse, and child abuse. if my client said this I would definitely assess them to make sure they are not currently homicidal. if I told someone that my client had killed someone in the past, I can lose my license and pay hefty fines.
I wondered about this, I knew there was a really high level of confidentiality that therapists had to provide but thought they'd have to tell about something like this. Thank you for your input.
I’ve been following Eleanors channel for a long time now and she’s gained so many followers since I first found her! Totally deserved. Also, she looks like she’s shining extra bright lately.
I have been watching her channel on and off for a while now too and I thought i noticed something different. Her face looks slimmer. Either way she's beautiful.. tbh she's one of the few that actually still looks gorgeous thick or thin! Love her content.
Agreed! i told the lady working there not to bring up a triggering subject again. and guess what she did? she bought it up and questioned me about it. i was so upset after.
I went at 16 and they basically said "well you can get support here, but you'll be 18 soon then have to transfer somewhere else anyways, so you may as well just not be here" is basically what they said 😂
@@opidasdagoat that's exactly what happened to me! she continued to bring it up and when I told the service I wanted to change therapist because of it they discharged me... I hope you're doing okay
As a therapist myself, I know that we actually CANNOT disclose that information UNLESS subpoenaed to do so. Other than that, everything is confidential (unless they plan to harm themselves or a specific person/place)
@@aimeeathertonx how is it uneducated when she's used it. I'm currently in my final year studying psychology and counselling and we've discussed in one if the modules how much services like CAHMS need a lot of improvement. To blindly defend services and callout anyone who says they need to improve is the attitude that keeps services like this in the dark ages.
@@aimeeathertonx I mean, is it so bad to be deterred when they might just make situations worse. I tell myself I'm over reacting enough without having a 'professional' therapist tell me the same.
@@aimeeathertonx the silence is deafening 😂 absolutely agree with you. CAHMS is shocking at times but they’ve helped thousands of children, you only ever hear the negatives. She shouldn’t be saying this to her audience!!
@@bealolita2588 lol sorry i don't know a single person who benefited from camhs yet know plenty who got worse after using their services my own experience included, i certainly wouldn't go around recommending it to other young people considering how the majority don't benefit from it at all
This whole case is honestly heartbreaking, the fact that he killed his gran, a woman who did everything to give him a second chance seemingly without a second thought is awful!! She was a woman who despite her own health deteriorating, still wanted to love and support her grandson and for that she was killed in what I can only imagine would be a horrific way because being trapped in a house on fire with the smoke thickening you’re going to know that you’re likely going to die with no way of surviving and not understanding why this is happening. On another note, can I just say THANK YOU for bringing awareness of the difficulties of CAMHS in the UK. I’ve personally gone through various therapy but it was never under the CAMHS header, though my experience was just as useless, but I have a younger family member who has been discharged and re-referred back to the service countless times and even when they were begging for help while being open about wanting to take their own life but CAMHS did nothing but leave them on their own to cope. They also have the same condition that I do, Functional Neurological Disorder (FND) which is a damn nightmare in itself (a condition I truly wouldn’t wish upon anyone) but there are so few in the medical profession who acknowledge it and CAMHS seem to have no one who understands in our area so they just pass my family member from one person to another. It’s time that there was a proper overhaul to the system to ensure that there is relevant help and support for those in need. P.S. Apologise for the rant it’s just the first I’ve seen someone really call CAMHS out on their shocking treatment for most and I couldn’t stop myself writing
In the U.S the child protection service agency is FULL of pedos and Satanists and hand over these kids to the like. more times than not are re-victimized over and over. It's evil. The good people are so few.
CAMHS - just like the rest of the NHS but especially them - are so incredibly underfunded and overstretched they are often left with literally no means to support. So many wards have been closed down and beds nowadays are incredibly scarce, it’s almost impossible to even consider admitting a young person!! It’s really sad and I can tell you from the inside (at least in south London) it’s heartbreaking for staff as well to not be able to provide enough support. I also wanted to say that FND is not a psychiatric condition, it falls under neurology so CAMHS or general adult services don’t have much to do with it. In general non-medical staff in mental health are not trained in other types of diseases much as they have a different training pathway. Anyway I really agree with your point and wanted to express my frustration because I work in adult mental health and it’s such a struggle to continuously have to prioritise one person over another due to the lack of resources
@@silanthaler It honestly breaks my heart to think of what you must go through being on the inside, I know I hear about so much happening to funding and beds it’s awful and throughout the pandemic it’s only made it worse. Also, THANK YOU for acknowledging that FND is neurological, sadly around here (I’m in Fife, Scotland) neurology say it’s upto CAMHS/Adult psychology services yet CAMHS/AP along with the majority of medical staff here have no clue whatsoever. Teaching staff (in the case of my family member) and social services are all confused on who should and shouldn’t be helping and there are zero services/groups that can help out with basic things. I’m 28 and have just had to get a wheelchair so I can get outside as my legs will randomly stopped working and I have non-epileptic seizures that go above 30 a day on a good day so I’m fully reliant on others to help. Sadly medical and non-medical services are of no help and since very few people have an awareness of the condition most don’t understand at all and make comments or toss insults
I feel like I’m the only person who’s had a positive experience with CAMH. I was SA by my father my whole life, and he eventually tried to kill us all and himself, eventually being shot by the police. My therapist understood it was a very unique situation and she really listened to what I needed. She used to take me out for coffee and for walks and even come out to see me. She was absolutely brilliant. I wouldn’t be the woman I am today without her, and I think about her often. It breaks my heart that people have such bad experiences with CAMH. 💔
I fully believe he could have been caught earlier. I mean BOTH smoke detectors were dismantled and the table was in front of the door 💀💀💀 If they had factored that in they would have been able to see that something ain’t adding up
As someone who lost her grandmother last year this case makes me feel sick I can't imagine how scared his poor grandmother was. Mary seemed like such a lovely woman and that picture of her you used was absolutely beautiful, I can't believe how he could have got away with such a horrific act if he hadn't confessed💔. When I'm a qualified psychologist I vow to not be that person that just lets something slide if they are unsure.
@@however02 uhh…we can’t comment that we enjoy her vids.. what?? I (and the other people commenting this) am just trying to show how she’s impacted us in a positive way. I don’t get why y’all have to be so negative..😀
@@m.donez8 not trying to be negative... just pointing out its a little weird to be saying this on true crime videos, love eleanor dont get me wrong, i just find these comments in bad taste. No negativity just stating opinions
For clarification: I'm a training psychologist. I work in the US so I don't know for sure how it works in the UK, but because of client privilege, the therapist wouldn't legally be allowed to call the police and due to his age couldn't inform his parents. If a crime was committed in the past, even murder, it's protected. Now if he had said he was planning on killing someone else, then the therapist would have been obligated to take certain steps within his legal purview to prevent this. Hope this helps!
I was thinking the same exact thing when she was explaining that part! I understand the rule but it’s unfortunate when it delays investigations like this
I'm in my final year studying to be a counsellor in the UK and yeah murder is protected. If you did disclose you could be reported to the BPS. You can report direct active threats to people and anything to do with child abuse.
Would you mind explaining how those laws make moral sense? I'm curious how something as serious as murder cannot be disclosed to the proper authorities. I'd appreciate any input.
It’s so sadistic to kill anyone, especially a family member who tried to give you a chance to live normally. May Mary rest in peace and I hope he rots in hell. Anyways. Amazing video like always! I was wondering…can you cover the Michael Moss case? Love you, Eli! ❤️
My grandmother had dementia, and was in a memory care facility at dinner with my dad when she passed away. I was on a date (first and last with that person) when I got the call. Yes, Grandma didn't recognize any of us anymore, she was physically deteriorating, but we chose to make sure she was taken care of and visited her daily, rather than set fire to her home after making sure she couldn't escape. This is just incomprehensible to me. My internet history is worrisome enough, but nothing like Tiannon's--and includes plenty of cats and mermaids as well as serial killers, behavioral psychology, and anarchy, so I think the powers that be know I'm relatively harmless. Never in my life have I searched "might be a budding serial killer, please help"!
I watch true crime stuff all the time so normally hearing of murders doesn't phase me but when you described the details of him setting up obstacles to ensure she couldn't escape the fire... that floored and disgusted me. Such deplorable consideration he took to ensure her death. How awful. I feel so bad for the stepda
Eleanor, I didn’t even recognize you in the thumbnail, you look fantastic! Congrats on the Disney+ sponsor😭 maybe you’ll have your own show there one day
YES! the whole situation with CAMHS is horrific honestly ! my experience was just alright because i myself had a good therapist but some people i personally know have had HORRIBLE experiences with CAMHS. one person i know got told to "go home and have a bath" and another was told to "go a walk and have a cup of green tea". the UKs mental health support for teens is honestly horrendous.smh.
I hate that a lot, especially because people who are struggling barely have enough motivation to do the absolute minimum and the therapists should know that. You can't give WikiHow advice to somebody who is genuinely struggling with mental illness, those are things you say to somebody who is just feeling a little down for the day.
It isn’t just the UK unfortunately. Mental healthcare is horrible everywhere. At least you aren’t stuck with insane bills from your shit therapists lol
@@kiera6678The point is that they are trying to get you to do something outside of your problems. They don't have the time, and this is the problem, to know you personally, too suggest personally catered hobbies.
i know!!! i ended up SH a few years ago and they just told me ''not to do it again and go for a walk when i feel like doing it again'' or they'd tell me to ''draw and listen to music''
just a theory for him dropping out of 2 colleges, it could have been his anxiety, he dropped out once because of his anxiety, but as Eleanor amazingly said, he didn't want to be behind everyone else, so enrolled in a new college, but the same problems occurred, and he decided just to drop out again
I was homeschooled in the UK and it is big there too. Homeschooling doesn't mean being locked up in your house all day, usually I'd have one other activity every weekday, with other homeschooled children. The group I was in had around 50 children, not everyone would go to everything, but for example, thursdays we'd have PE together, Wednesday's we'd have drama and some other activity, tuesdays we'd have science and I think fridays was glass art and mondays was rock climbing. The mums would hire private teachers for the activities and everyone would chip in so that it wasnt crazy expensive. Most subjects like maths, English etc... were taught at home, but sometimes we would go to some lectures as a group. Not everyone would spend time together all the time, some people would only go to some activities and some to others etc... and there were some that I didnt go to. I was also in a church choir and in the scouts. I was only homeschooled for a couple years, from 8 to 10, but it was definitely a good experience. It was very good for my social skills since there wasn't much bullying. I was homeschooled because my school wouldn't let us take as many vacations as my family would like to. Being homeschooled let me go faster than we would learn at school, after going back to school I had to wait around 3 years before I started learning new major things. (they dont let you skip grades in my country)
Kind of weird that the cops didn't pick up on the smoke detectors being removed and the phone line being disconnected. Unless it all burned up in the fire and there was no evidence
In December my gran died because of a house fire (also died in hospital) and hearing this case fills me with so much rage because it feels very personal. The fact that I lost my gran like that will haunt me forever and he just does that to his because of an argument? Genuinely a disgusting person.
You’re really talented in the way you present these stories. I have tried watching other true crime RUclips channels but they aren’t put together like yours so I’m just not as engaged. You always have cases I’ve never heard of as well! This one was really sad. Never stop making these videos please 💕
I live in the uk and im homeschooled due to anxiety and depression and I’m also autistic but the school refused to help and give me the support I needed but since I’ve left I’ve came a lot more confident and not struggling as much and have also been to CAMHs and had such bad experiences
I had the exact same experience, my school didn’t care about helping at all. I eventually got diagnosed as autistic at 17, missed my entire high school education and was left feeling really far behind in life. I’m 20 now, I’ve made much better progress on my own than I ever did with CAMHs help. I wish you the best!
As someone who was in the system from the age of 13 to 17, I immensely appreciate your critique of the NHS mental health services (especially the young people division)!
Hi! Social work major here! Where I live in Canada (and many other countries), therapists have to keep the professional secrecy. If the act committed was in the past, whatever what the act is, it is actually illegal to report it to the police. Hope that clears thing up ☺️
i appreciate your work i cant even imagine how hard it has to be to prepare everything for those videos and to do research on all these cases, and then explaining everything so understandable and professional?! like wow thank you so much for being such an amazing person
hi, Eleanor. thank you for your videos, ur wonderful. yesterday i found out about a murder that happened in Ukraine. as a russian, i was really interested in the case. and then i was shocked by the horror of what happened: a 13 year old boy raped a 6 year old girl two times and then murdered her. i dont think you can find much info about the case on the internet, but if you're interested in covering it, the girl's name is Miroslava Tretyak (Мирослава Третяк). the thing is, the boy was charged with 3 (!!!) years in special institution. so basically he's free because he's untriable due to his age. it's just horrible. this human isn't a boy, he's a monster...
I’m just reading up on this and it says “The teen's own sister said: “Once he caught a kitten and pricked its eyes out. Then he grabbed it by the tail and beat it to death against a wall.””
Thanks so much for covering this case, I am from the area and remember this happening. Tiernan was actually a mutual friend at the time... very scary stuff. I'm so glad he is in prison now and hopefully he never gets out.
When we talk about CAMHS, I only know people with negative experiences. I was in hospital at 16 after an attempt on my life. They arrived after I had my stomach pumped and took me into an office and told me that all teenagers go through this…huh? Finally got CBT when i was desperate and pregnant at 25 last year because I wanted to be the best mother I could to my little girl and I feel SO much better but it took 9 years for actual therapy and not just medication. CBT isn’t good for everyone but i would recommend it for people who have mental illness as a result of their childhood. ✨
I was with CAMHS too. They tried to convince everyone that I was autistic without even organizing an evaluation. I'm not autistic. They were just trying to blame everyone but themselves for their disgraceful works.
@@KatieAliceGamer i got diagnosed with ADHD (i dont have ADHD) and put on strong meds when i was about 13-14 that had lasting affects on my height and weight, but all i needed was therapy for the things i was going through as a kid. Wish there was a better way to help kids without medicating and ignoring them.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MENTIONING HOW BAD CAMHS IS !!!!!! After multiple times of my “therapist” cancelling my appointments with her and never bothering to reschedule, I was blamed for being too in my feelings and not calling back when I got the letter that said I’d be take off the patient list. What was I supposed to cal back for ? Them to cancel my appointment again which I relayed on every week. I had a great therapist before all the changes, but something happened to her and I was basically left without any appointments until I told my guidance teacher at school who had to push it forward again and say look she’s just been left like this without any explanation? Then I got two therapists which I don’t even understand why, like why do I need two to be alternating every week, that’s too much work for someone explaining all that shit to two people, then I was left with only one, and then the whole thing with cancelling appointments happening etc. just terrible service, psychiatrist was awful too, just seemed like everyone was against you there and your mental health issues were just you being a “teenager”
As far as the therapist goes, I’m pretty sure that it would be doctor-patient confidentiality. They are only supposed to break this confidentiality if they are planning on hurting someone else or themselves. So if they already killed someone, I don’t think they can legally tell anyone. I could be wrong, but I believe I have heard of that same exact situation before.
Due to confidentiality, a therapist may not generally disclose the contents of a therapy session with the police, even if the client has admitted to committing a crime.
I absolutely love the light makeup today!! Also, a Disney+ sponsor??? Out of all the things to sponsor I wouldn't expect a true crime video, Congratulations!!!
Have you seen half the shit on Disney+ now? The Walking Dead, American Horror Story, Criminal Minds, the list goes on and I’m sure parents can attempt to safeguard them but jeez. They’ll really stack anything for a profit share lol
Plus people need to do some research on all of the Disney employees that have been associated with obtaining child abuse material recently. Abductions from their parks have been going on for years . Kids trafficked left right and centre. Subliminal messages in their animations that include disgusting imagery. If only people knew ☹️
Hiya! Side note; I was home-schooled from an very young age. Contrary to popular belief, there are actually a lot us in the UK. (And no, you can legally chose to homeschool without there being a specific reason to.) Not to mention, in most cases, it's actually an incredibly sociable and "free range" way to raise children. There are large groups in most areas, that are very useful and give kids extremely rare chances that a lot of children in school wouldn't even get. I remember taking courses at the BBC for robotics and animation at about 6, drama classes, scientific lectures etc. Most of us also go on to get gcse's, multiple Alvls, uni etc, including myself. Just wanted to post this, as I feel there is always a lot of misunderstanding about the homeschooling community! Great ep as always! 🥰💗✌️
Stuck at home bored because we are in the middle of an ice storm in Arkansas 🥶 Thankfully Eleanor just made my day again. Been missing her so much! Thanks for the upload 😀
Can we take a moment to appreciate Eleanor's hair; it looks so shiny and healthy! My niece is a similar age and she has very similar red hair, she loves being a ginger ❤️
I lived with my maternal grandma for a time back when I was a young child and it absolutely breaks my heart to think of anyone doing that to their own grandma. There is no defending his actions, I cannot think of anything much worse.
Honestly I'm so glad to have discovered this channel, just the fact that everything is discussed thoroughly and that Eleanor always makes sure to explain everything very well! I've said this before but I LOVE how even when she states that the killer was troubled in some way or had a bad childhood she doesn't make it sound ok. I feel like a lot of people pull the whole "they had a bad childhood/were troubled" card to EXCUSE behaviour not to understand why it happened, and it makes me sick. Mental health issues can explain something, but it doesn't mean it's an excuse and this goes for little things as well. Like if you blow up at your friends because of your issues it's still your job to apologise and rectify the situation. Idk I really just love this channel
I love the fact he’s so casual about it and then he’s like no I was lying it’s a misunderstanding😅. That will be the new phrase for all murders from now on🤦♀️✨
I’ve never had a case near my area before by Eleanor and hearing this stuff happen so close to me makes me realise how this stuff can happen anywhere. His grandma sounds amazing bless her heart ❤️
Another great video! Have you ever thought about covering the Brandon Teena case? Its quite interesting yet heartbreaking, it was even turned into a movie called "boys don't cry."
I’m curious that fire fighters didn’t think that it was weird, having a table right outside blocking Mary’s doorway? Smoke detector damaged and phone line cut? Are those reasons not enough to think it was not an accident? 🧐
You also have to think it's not that fire fighters job to and the police had no idea there was this conflict going on between the two. And since she did have dementia and was known to be a heavy smoker (With also the cigarette starting the fire) It very well seems that she was the one who accidentally started the fire :(( Very very sad
it always makes my day when you post a video 💕 horribly awful, sad case, i can’t imagine the terror his grandmother felt. you do a wonderful job of showing so much compassion to the victims of all your cases and your story telling (i know they’re not stories, but you know what i mean) style is so wonderful, i absolutely love to watch your videos (also, you’re STUNNINGLY beautiful ♥️)
I’m not making excuses for this kid, I never graduated high school due to severe anxiety and never in my darkest moments would i ever harm another living thing. I do however wish people in positions of power would take stories like this in and realize that giving EVERYONE access to proper mental health care is literally life or death. I’ve been to places just like the one Eleanor talked about. They don’t care about you, listen to you or take into account the fact that what you see on the surface level is not always what is on the inside of a person. Just makes me livid because I know how much big corporations love to say they support mental health and have you donate money to some whack institution that alienates people from their feelings and only people with money can have access to good therapists.
As someone who’s always lived with they’re granny and now cares for her now as she has dementia, this absolutely sickens me. May beautiful Mary rest in peace and he goes to hell
that picture of his stepgrandma is so beautiful. she reminds me of my own grandmother, who is basically my best friend, and i think that is why this case touched me so much. it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that someone is capable to do something like this to such an angel. may she rest in peace 🤍
My grandma was my best friend. I would give anything to have her back - someone like him doesn’t deserve someone like Mary. May she rest in paradise 🕊🤍 And may the mental health services/professionals recognise their complicity in this case.
tiernan struggling with anxiety/social anxiety and depression so then having to do homeschool, sounds exactly like my situation. Except I’m not a murderer, just a very very unstable teenager who does online school bc I’d get panic attacks as soon as I entered school
Have a lot of respect for you Elenor for saying at the beginning of the video that you will be talking about depression and anxiety. That’s so thoughtful 💕love all you’re videos Xx
When I was in high school (small town Ohio) another local boy killed his grandma then went to a party we were all at afterward… it was so creepy and insane when it came out what he did. He stabbed her over 40 times and hid her in a closet.
Eleanor! I love your videos! I literally watch them almost daily and it helps so much with my anxiety when I’m trying to get the house clean or anything similar. I was hoping you could do a video about a missing persons case from my hometown in Shasta Lake, CA. The case is about Tera Smith. There’s a lot of information about it but she’s been missing since 1998 and everyone knows who did it but there’s never been enough evidence to convict him. Maybe if by sharing her case on your platform it could bring her case to light again and possibly bring her family answers. Thank you for doing what you do and doing it in a very professional and respectful way!♥️
My experience with CAMHs is shocking too, as is everyone else that I know. A list of issues includes but are not limited to: - I am transgender, they refer to me with my dead name, book appointments with my dead name and have my chosen name in quotation marks (e.g; Jessica 'James' Jones). - They repeatedly broke confidentiality - My therapist also had social anxiety which was great because it'd be like, 20 minutes of us sitting there in dead silence - I was not listened to or treated like an adult at all It's a shame that CAMHS is the only way I could get my diagnosis and medication. Thank god I aged out of CAMHS. Every session was torture, I hated it so much
@@makiroll218 if someone who is transgender chooses to change their name, their dead name would be the name that they were born with (the one they used before they changed their name). for example if you are a trans man, your dead name would be the name that you had before you came out, when you were still seen as a girl.
I actually used to work at a clinic and legally they had to use “insert name” if the patient hasnt legally changed their name. However every time someone entered the patients chart there would be an alert about the transgender/non-binary/other patient’s preferred/chosen name. We wouldnt refer or call them with their birth name, at least not on purpose
What a horrible person, murderering an old lady who tried to help him. Even if she would have been very strict, she saved him from homelessness when his own mom was done with him and this is how he repaid her. Infuriating.
in the beginning of the video i was like “oh i’m glad the grandmother isn’t the victim, seems like one of the party friends.” n by the end i was upset LMAO
I had so much trouble with them at first. From disinterested therapists to one’s that didn’t care and even patronising one’s that made me feel like I was a child. but on my 5th try I got the best therapist ever. I cried when I turned 18 and had to get a new one. She made my ptsd feel like it was nothing😅
Chams are absolutely shocking. I was on the waiting list for years before I was seen and then when I was seen my therapist made it very clear I would only be getting 8 sessions so the underlying tone of that ( how I took it anyway) was you’ve got 8 sessions to work on your issues because after that your on your own again. And obviously after years of things happening while being on the waiting list , 8 sessions was nowhere near enough
his step-grandmother, mary, sounds like an angel. that picture of her is absolutely beautiful - may she rest in peace :(
I was thinking exactly the same, she looks so vibrant and youthful even at 94 🌻💔 Bless her 💞
She looks a little like a queen Elizabeth but a good version
Yeah I thought the same thing ! 💕💕
@Pumpkin after everything she did for him and to end her life in such a malicious way is just awful - hearing him prepare for the whole thing, unplugging her phone and making obstacles?? absolutely horrible
the first comment ruined the video anyway yh rest in peace
I was the “troubled” older teenager that was taken in by my grandma and this case really got to me. My grandma is generous and kind just like the lady in this story. My grandma means the world to me and she helped me through so much. She gave me a place to stay when I was young and pregnant and didn’t shame me or make me feel like I did something wrong. Im older now but I still rent the house next to her so that I can see her every day and check on her. I can’t imagine ever taking advantage of her kindness and doing something mean to her, especially something this horrible.
Bless you and your sweet grandma.
That's a very heartwarming story, I'm glad you are also being kind to her in her old age and clearly still close to each other.
I lost my Nana 3 years ago & still deal with PTSD from it... Ppl who can do things like this make me sick 🤢
Like you i adored my nan rene ...she sadly passed away on December 4 th ....2015 i was so sad ...if any one had hurt look out also miss her she was so kind caring rip nanny rene ⭐
Like you i adored my nan rene ...she sadly passed away on December 4 th ....2015 i was so sad ...if any one had hurt look out also miss her she was so kind caring rip nanny rene ⭐
Hi Eleanor, I am a therapist and here (in Belgium) it’s not legal for a therapist to report past crimes if a patient makes a confession, I can only break confidentiality to prevent future harm (which was definitely the case here given the google searches, but I thought you’d find it interesting!)
Oh wow really? I never knew it was illegal
Does that mean that if a serial killer confessed to their therapist but assured that they would never do it again, the therapist couldn't go to the police. Also, in this scenario, if the therapist did go to the police, could that testimony be taken as evidence against the killer and would the therapist go to prison for it?
Here in the US most therapists and psychiatrists and even school counselors call the cops or an ambulance or social services within seconds if you report anything about harming yourself or others, even if it’s only just a passing thought. I knew someone who literally got charged with domestic terrorism because he had said to his therapist that he wanted to shoot himself. America does not play around with that stuff, it doesn’t even matter if it was a past crime or past attempt, they’re legally supposed to report that kind of stuff. It’s called mandated reporter. So things like therapists, teachers, nurses, doctors, even store managers are mandated reporters, so they legally need to report any danger or possibility of danger whether its past, present, or future.
@@RatpoisonbeanReally? My therapist has told me that she will only tell anyone something that I’ve said to her if she thinks that I am going to hurt myself or someone else.
@@geekgirl_luv4262 The only thing is if it was a past suicide attempt, that’s different your therapist won’t call anyone unless they believe you’re going to try again. But if you’ve admitted to killing somebody or assaulting someone- then yes your therapist has to take the legal course of action by making a report
it’s the fact that mary would never know her own family started the fire and killed her, i bet she was so scared and thought it was her fault. how cruel
This makes me feel sick 😞😞😞
Not really because, I’m sure as she tried to get out, seeing all the random obstacles in her path must have raised suspicions that I don’t necessarily she thought of too long about because of the panic she must have been in. Probably thought it was a bad dream. But FOR SURE she must have known she didn’t place those things there.
@@dontcallmeimdead.9556 imagine how betrayed she must’ve felt if she suspected him starting the fire, honestly it’s so sad
Worse, she was probably not even thinking about her life but about her grandkids she probably wanted to go help him and make sure he was fine not knowing that he was safe since the beginning
@@kamy6389 right?? how can the person who you love the most, betray you the worse. it's so upsetting
The picture of the grandma MELTED my heart. She looks like such a sweet heart. Aw🥺
😢💕
she is sweet this case breaks mg heart honestly especially because it isnt long ago when this case was his own grandma took him in and he KILLED her wth 🤦🏻♀️
She looked so much like my grandmother, this case made me really sad
shed be the type of grandma to sneak the money for you whenever your over and give you the last cookie!
as someone with anxiety, depression, and autism i feel that it is important to note that these conditions don’t cause you to murder people. not once have i considered murdering someone especially not my grandmother. these conditions are in no way responsible or valid excuses for violent behavior especially not murder. there is a stigma around mental health disorders and autism so i want to make it abundantly clear that just because someone has these conditions DOES NOT make them violent people. really not even that different from neuro typical people. while it is possible that providing adequate mental health support could have prevented this from happening his mental health is not the only factor in what caused him to commit such a horrific crime. may the grandmother rest in peace.
Yess thank you, i'm autistic and i suffer with social anxiety and it started at the same age as him actually, I have never thought about committing such crimes. there is so much stereotypical stigma around said issues that it causes so much fear and embarrassment for people with these mental disorders.
@@mollied8528 exactly. i didn’t see anyone else comment this and because there’s so much misinformation and stigma about autism and other mental disorders i felt the need to make it clear. i also have severe social anxiety and so when in videos like these where tons of people are watching it and it’s not made clear that these disorders are not what’s causing the crimes it gets a lot worse because people will start to associate the two things with each other despite them being totally unrelated. idk if my grammar makes any sense lol. there needs to be a lot more education about autism so that the stereotypes and misinformation goes away. anyways i hope you’re doing well :)
Yeah but I mean that's personally just.. you
@@broskify did you literally not get the point of what i was trying to say??? yeah he had these things but they aren’t going to cause someone to be a fucking murderer. there is so much stigma and misinformation about these conditions so i highly recommend instead of sticking to your ignorant ideas you listen to the people who actually have these conditions and educate yourself
THANK YOU. mental health issues are a thousand times more of a danger to the person that has them. these cases DO happen, but they are a rarity, and not enough people understand that. mentally ill people =/= people capable of murder.
when she told this story and then when you actually realize that he would’ve gotten away with murdering his poor grandmother, it’s actually scary to realize how many people are probably walking around the streets joking, laughing, eating at restaurants and starting families while they’ve committed a murder and never got caught and maybe never will get caught
And also the fact that this wasn't even classed as a homicide so there was never a murder investigation that MIGHT have eventually gotten him. All the unsolved murders out there are scary enough, but the fact that there's even more people that aren't even being looked for because no one knows there was even a murder in the first place....so sad :(
@@cassandra_cassowary honestly, there should have been an investigation so its baffling that it was classed as an accident despite the obvious foul play present. the table pushed up against the door from the inside like??? the firefighters really looked at that and said "yea that's fine that's normal?" there's no way he shoud've been able to get away with that for so long
Oh that's just freaked me out lmao, this is why I have trust issues, you never fully know someone's past except your own 😭✋
Exactly what I was thinking
Same thoughts here as well!
How did the people who ‘investigated’ the cause of the fire not note the disconnected fire alarms?? Even the table in-front of the door is suspicious
Sadly they don’t really care about old people 😟
I was looking for this comment! Like what did they think when they saw a table pushed in front of the door to the room she was found dead in?! Like how was that not suspicious! The UK police/justice system is a joke!
The victim had dementia. So they may have attributed it to the disease making her forgetful and paranoid.
She had dementia. She's old. they may have just thought they she forgot while cleaning.Sad :/
@Eynis Rose Varda well because the son had depression and anxiety, most people aren’t gonna assume someone depressed is going to try to murder their grandmother in cold blood. it’s not like he had a mental illness that’s stereotypically connected with violence. even though depression and anxiety doesn’t mean no violence, in the eyes of the law, they aren’t red flags
As a fellow anxiety sufferer, I really appreciate how you explained how dibilitating it can be. Some days it can be difficult to even leave the house..it really is a drag.
Same here. It can really effect your whole life. I miss out on events and things like that because of it.
This is such a horrible case. That poor Grandma, she must have been so afraid 😔
The thought of it absolutely breaks my heart, I really hope she rests in peace she didn't deserve this 💔
I feel so bad
Honestly I hope she had no idea what he was capable of
right she looked so innocent
@Shaylin looks doesn’t define a person but rip to her
It drives me insane knowing that if he didn’t admit it the second time he would’ve gotten away with it. Just imagine how many times this has happened and no one did anything. Rest In Peace Mary
Do we know for certain though that the therapist wouldn't have done anything? It sounds like they actually did the best thing they could have done in that situation. Build up trust, get him to admit to the whole thing - in front of another witness - and you seem to have a solid case. Do you think he'd ever have been convicted if they'd just called the police based on one, random, unelaborated upon comment?
@@alexbennet4195 exactly. As a mental health clinician…I would want more info and be sure there is a clear story before reporting.
I’m so glad you mentioned how horrific camhs is. I obviously think what happened was abhorrent, but I also really respect that you were so honest about how awful that service is.
Can confirm they're shite. I have BPD and C-PTSD and they completely ignored that and tried to diagnose me with autism instead just because I was a "problem child". I don't even have autism wtf.
@@VampiraVonGhoulscout I can confirm also. I'm starting to think I don't have autism and I genuinely think I have BPD. It does run in my family and I'm trying to get diagnosed. I did get diagnosed with anxiety and depression though but I do keep thinking they said I have autism just to shoo me off.
@@K4THR3N exactly. They're just trying to get you out of their office. I've had one person say I'm on the spectrum and another five that said I'm not so obviously I'm not.
@@VampiraVonGhoulscout This!! they diagnosed me with autism.. Im starting to think they are just diagnosing anyone with autism! awful.. 😣
They completely missed my PTSD. I was only diagnosed about 10 years later. They kept on telling me that everyone has bad memories and that I have to get over it
I remember my CAMHs experience, it was awful. I told my therapist about my SA as a child, she said 'boys will be boys, and it wasn't that bad' I hated her, but was forced to go by my mum for years.
im so sorry you had to go through that, that's terrible. thank you for sharing
My CAMHS therapist who prescribed me my medication overdosed me so bad I collapsed at school and had to be rushed to hospital, after this I had to prove I wasn't trying to kill myself and the doctor was basically let go because he wasn't fit enough anymore to be a doctor
I'm sorry for what you went through. A lot of CAMHS counsellors shouldn't have their job
@@lina_ann I know but apparently it happened to a few other people in my age group I was basically the last straw it's so sad man how kids are failed by CAMHS
@@kaede1093 honestly it's not just CAMHS. I've recently been seen by my local adult mental health service for an assessment and it was rushed. The guy also answered a phone call in the middle of it.
Completely off topic but can we talk about how beautiful eleanor looks! It's so lovely to see her embrace a more natural look and I'm so here for it. She's absolutely glowing!
was looking for some1 to say this. it suits her so well
So fresh and pretty.
Like she's so gorgeous and glowy
she is always beautiful on her older videos, and now♡♡
She’s absolutely stunning!
May I just say I’m overly proud of you Eleanor for getting a sponsorship with Disney+!!!
I’m glad someone else noticed this!
Same
I'm like 😲 she got didney
Not after jhonny deep no more being in pirates of the Caribbean
@@Merrisss9189 ah yes jhonny deep
I'm more surprised that the "fire investigation team" failed to discover the disabled alarms, telephones etc 🧐
Exactly what I’m thinking! He should’ve been caught so much earlier.. surely these things are the first to look for in the event of a fire
ummm right?? the crime scene sounds RIDDLED with red flags. how can you miss a table that was pushed in front of an exit door? besides the disabled smoke alarms!
@@ravenswing7816 The table could’ve been pushed over in her hurry to escape the fire, trapping her, but I never even thought of the disabled alarms and phone!!
Maybe the evidence got burned in the fire?
@@greatestever247 Then how would they know for sure that’s what happened if the evidence got burned 😭
I lost my beautiful grandmother last year at 84. Someone this evil didn't ever deserve a grandmother as kind as this woman. This made me so angry
I'm so sorry for your loss, I hope you're doing okay💚. I am in a similar situation and am infuriated by this case, he absolutely did not deserve such an amazing grandmother.
I am very sorry for your loss. I also lost my grandmother right before christmas so youre not alone
@@charlottecarberry yuyypp ppl ppp ik idd bbb /.
I am so sorry for your loss♥ I bet she was a wonderful momen! Prayers to you and your family🕊🕊
Sadly we are going to see a lot more cases like this one because children are going undiagnosed and not receiving help when they are calling out for it. If autism isn't diagnosed and the child doesn't receive the correct help throughout their life it can manifest into other mental health problems such as paranoid schizophrenia. The uk is currently in a mental health crisis which not man seem to be that worried about.x
I went to college with him, almost went on a date with him. He was kind of awkward but my whole friend group had some level of mental illness so he'd sit with us. Weirdly we were studying forensic science and he always seemed quite interested. It's kind of scary how normal murderers can be
Hi, I'm working on a documentary about this case and would really like to hear a bit more about this - do you think you could reply and I can send you my email so I can tell you a bit more about the programme? Thanks, Clare
@@SpatCat18 I have information about him, he was in my college class at Kendall
i cant describe it but eleanor just seems so radiant lately, she seems so much happier and healthier these past few months 💕💕 she honestly just seems so gorgeous and fun
Pshh, she’s ALWAYS been gorgeous and fun!! 🙃😁
@@kristinasymons kkkkiiijjjjiiokkoooooopoppo
yes eleanor looks great but what about the video??? she took all that time to make the video and that's all you can say??
@@ajayjackson7727 what? it’s a compliment
@@ajayjackson7727 just because she said something about her appearance doesn’t mean she does not appreciate the effort behind the video !
I love the two sides of Eleanor. She's a bit crazy on Instagram but once it comes to RUclips she's so professional
Have you seen her other RUclips channel?
@@notaccessible3741 Yes am talking about this one tho
@@shenoyrichards3640 i-
Holy crap, yes. Eleanor is such a delight over on Instagram 🥰
@@notaccessible3741 whats it called. I haven't seen it
i’m with camhs at the minute and my personal therapist is amazing, she has helped me so much, although the crisis team are awful, i once called the crisis line when i was literally sewerslidal and they told me to “have a cup of tea and a bath”, it was honestly traumatic, they just don’t care about their patients whatsoever
i called a crisis line once and the person was so rude and even got annoyed at me because I was struggling to calm down, you could literally hear the irritation in their voice which is part of the reason I couldn't calm down
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact mental health isn't being acknowledged as it should be!
My daughter was referred to Camhs and wouldn't engage or talk to the therapist so they refused to treat her.
honestly lovely, thank you for not sugarcoating CAMHS. it’s so refreshing to see influencers be honest about a crappy service x
@@samspam1788 people try helping the CAMHS service with better ways to improve their advice but they never listen. i’ve never met one person who has had a positive experience with them, and if you have or someone you know has then that’s great
I work for social services and I sometimes get mixed reviews of CAMHS
@@harrys3221 i think it just depends on the persons circumstances tbh
@@r3nni3 Yh of course, for some young people I’m sure CAMHS can be really beneficial
@@r3nni3 I'm still really interested for your take on this
I’m not even a minute in, but can be all take a minute to appreciate how GORGEOUS Eleanor is? Like she’s so naturally beautiful. And the color of the blouse/top she’s wearing really accentuates her eyes, skin, and hair color.
i was literally about to comment this, she looks so good!
When did she lose so much weight. I'm so jealous.
I haven't watched her fod awhile i didn't even recognize her lol I'm like who is this im subscribed to they look familiar 👀😂 she does look so beautiful! She did before as well thoo!
I don't think it's fair for everyone to be like 'She's so beautiful' just because she lost weight. She was always beautiful but now fatphobics (yes that's what y'all are) can finally see it. Go comment that on her vids for 2 yrs ago instead.
@@janhurst544 people might say she looks good a well as that. But don't take it like that's the reason cause on all her videos there's comments saying she's gorgeous before and after. She was always stunning. :)
His therapist probably followed the doctor and patient confidentiality agreement. There are a lot of therapists out there that know these types of things and don't report it. It's truly sad.
They'd lose their license if they did and ultimately nothing would come of it because no judge would hold that up in the court of law.
I work in behavioral health (in the USA so maybe it’s different in that country), but the confidentiality agreement doesn’t apply to disclosures like that. They usually actually have you sign a treatment form which states it somewhere on there.
Edit: After looking into it a little more it seems to vary quit a bit depending on location.
@@Kelly-dm4oq I thought it was only if they were at risk of hurting someone else again? Genuinely curious here so I hope I don't come across as rude.
I’m a mental health counselor in the US. if a client told me that they had killed someone in the past, I legally and ethically cannot tell anyone. it’s covered in confidentiality. the only times I can break confidentiality are when someone’s life is currently in danger, such as suicidal thoughts, homicidal thoughts, elder abuse, and child abuse. if my client said this I would definitely assess them to make sure they are not currently homicidal. if I told someone that my client had killed someone in the past, I can lose my license and pay hefty fines.
not sure what the laws and ethics in the UK are. just my experience
I wondered about this, I knew there was a really high level of confidentiality that therapists had to provide but thought they'd have to tell about something like this.
Thank you for your input.
Maybe the therapist kind of tricked him to bring his stepfather or a third party so the patient doctor confidentiality wasn't valid?
I would be the one to accept losing my license & paying fines because if it were me... I would go STRAIGHT to the police 🤷🏼♀️
that doesn't feel right
I’ve been following Eleanors channel for a long time now and she’s gained so many followers since I first found her! Totally deserved. Also, she looks like she’s shining extra bright lately.
It's probably the weight loss she's looking great although she didn't NEED to
It looks like she lost weight and she’s not wearing makeup
@Delilah C this is so backhanded ???
@@Beeboop7 Actually getting healthier is important.. stop..
I have been watching her channel on and off for a while now too and I thought i noticed something different. Her face looks slimmer. Either way she's beautiful.. tbh she's one of the few that actually still looks gorgeous thick or thin! Love her content.
Girl my bf and I are so so proud of you and how far you've come! A disney+ sponsorship is huge! All the love to you, Eleanor💙💙
Actually LOL'd when Eleanor said CAMHS was rubbish. Having my 16 yr old under the service currently I could not agree more!!!
She was waaayy too nice about them, I'd of spent the half hour having a rant
Agreed! i told the lady working there not to bring up a triggering subject again. and guess what she did? she bought it up and questioned me about it. i was so upset after.
I went at 16 and they basically said "well you can get support here, but you'll be 18 soon then have to transfer somewhere else anyways, so you may as well just not be here" is basically what they said 😂
@@opidasdagoat exactly what happened to my daughter!!
@@opidasdagoat that's exactly what happened to me! she continued to bring it up and when I told the service I wanted to change therapist because of it they discharged me... I hope you're doing okay
As a therapist myself, I know that we actually CANNOT disclose that information UNLESS subpoenaed to do so. Other than that, everything is confidential (unless they plan to harm themselves or a specific person/place)
So i can admit murder and use wouldn't grass?💀
@@aimeeathertonx how is it uneducated when she's used it. I'm currently in my final year studying psychology and counselling and we've discussed in one if the modules how much services like CAHMS need a lot of improvement.
To blindly defend services and callout anyone who says they need to improve is the attitude that keeps services like this in the dark ages.
@@aimeeathertonx I mean, is it so bad to be deterred when they might just make situations worse. I tell myself I'm over reacting enough without having a 'professional' therapist tell me the same.
@@aimeeathertonx the silence is deafening 😂 absolutely agree with you. CAHMS is shocking at times but they’ve helped thousands of children, you only ever hear the negatives.
She shouldn’t be saying this to her audience!!
@@bealolita2588 lol sorry i don't know a single person who benefited from camhs yet know plenty who got worse after using their services my own experience included, i certainly wouldn't go around recommending it to other young people considering how the majority don't benefit from it at all
This whole case is honestly heartbreaking, the fact that he killed his gran, a woman who did everything to give him a second chance seemingly without a second thought is awful!! She was a woman who despite her own health deteriorating, still wanted to love and support her grandson and for that she was killed in what I can only imagine would be a horrific way because being trapped in a house on fire with the smoke thickening you’re going to know that you’re likely going to die with no way of surviving and not understanding why this is happening.
On another note, can I just say THANK YOU for bringing awareness of the difficulties of CAMHS in the UK. I’ve personally gone through various therapy but it was never under the CAMHS header, though my experience was just as useless, but I have a younger family member who has been discharged and re-referred back to the service countless times and even when they were begging for help while being open about wanting to take their own life but CAMHS did nothing but leave them on their own to cope. They also have the same condition that I do, Functional Neurological Disorder (FND) which is a damn nightmare in itself (a condition I truly wouldn’t wish upon anyone) but there are so few in the medical profession who acknowledge it and CAMHS seem to have no one who understands in our area so they just pass my family member from one person to another. It’s time that there was a proper overhaul to the system to ensure that there is relevant help and support for those in need.
P.S. Apologise for the rant it’s just the first I’ve seen someone really call CAMHS out on their shocking treatment for most and I couldn’t stop myself writing
In the U.S the child protection service agency is FULL of pedos and Satanists and hand over these kids to the like. more times than not are re-victimized over and over. It's evil. The good people are so few.
It's almost hand in hand with child service trafficking
CAMHS - just like the rest of the NHS but especially them - are so incredibly underfunded and overstretched they are often left with literally no means to support. So many wards have been closed down and beds nowadays are incredibly scarce, it’s almost impossible to even consider admitting a young person!! It’s really sad and I can tell you from the inside (at least in south London) it’s heartbreaking for staff as well to not be able to provide enough support. I also wanted to say that FND is not a psychiatric condition, it falls under neurology so CAMHS or general adult services don’t have much to do with it. In general non-medical staff in mental health are not trained in other types of diseases much as they have a different training pathway. Anyway I really agree with your point and wanted to express my frustration because I work in adult mental health and it’s such a struggle to continuously have to prioritise one person over another due to the lack of resources
@@silanthaler It honestly breaks my heart to think of what you must go through being on the inside, I know I hear about so much happening to funding and beds it’s awful and throughout the pandemic it’s only made it worse.
Also, THANK YOU for acknowledging that FND is neurological, sadly around here (I’m in Fife, Scotland) neurology say it’s upto CAMHS/Adult psychology services yet CAMHS/AP along with the majority of medical staff here have no clue whatsoever. Teaching staff (in the case of my family member) and social services are all confused on who should and shouldn’t be helping and there are zero services/groups that can help out with basic things. I’m 28 and have just had to get a wheelchair so I can get outside as my legs will randomly stopped working and I have non-epileptic seizures that go above 30 a day on a good day so I’m fully reliant on others to help. Sadly medical and non-medical services are of no help and since very few people have an awareness of the condition most don’t understand at all and make comments or toss insults
I feel like I’m the only person who’s had a positive experience with CAMH. I was SA by my father my whole life, and he eventually tried to kill us all and himself, eventually being shot by the police. My therapist understood it was a very unique situation and she really listened to what I needed. She used to take me out for coffee and for walks and even come out to see me. She was absolutely brilliant. I wouldn’t be the woman I am today without her, and I think about her often. It breaks my heart that people have such bad experiences with CAMH. 💔
i'm so sorry
I had a brilliant experience with camhs and trent pts as well 💕🙏
im so grateful that you had such a wonderful therapist, she sounds like she was your guardian angel.
Been watching you for years, CONGRATS on being sponsored by DISNEY PLUS!!! so happy that you’ve grown so much you deserve it! ❤️❤️
Disney are groomers. Rotten ppl
I fully believe he could have been caught earlier. I mean BOTH smoke detectors were dismantled and the table was in front of the door 💀💀💀 If they had factored that in they would have been able to see that something ain’t adding up
THIS
Police can be so slow sometimes
As someone who lost her grandmother last year this case makes me feel sick I can't imagine how scared his poor grandmother was. Mary seemed like such a lovely woman and that picture of her you used was absolutely beautiful, I can't believe how he could have got away with such a horrific act if he hadn't confessed💔. When I'm a qualified psychologist I vow to not be that person that just lets something slide if they are unsure.
I hope Eleanor knows genuinely how much she makes our days better😇
Indeed, I enjoy this type of content and Eleanor's channel is my comfort channel!
Why are these comments always under her vids lol, pretty sure she gets it by now guys
@@however02 uhh…we can’t comment that we enjoy her vids.. what?? I (and the other people commenting this) am just trying to show how she’s impacted us in a positive way.
I don’t get why y’all have to be so negative..😀
@Alice Rivierre this
@@m.donez8 not trying to be negative... just pointing out its a little weird to be saying this on true crime videos, love eleanor dont get me wrong, i just find these comments in bad taste. No negativity just stating opinions
As soon as I saw Mary’s picture, I knew this case straight away. I saw it in the paper and it was heartbreaking.
same honestly
For clarification: I'm a training psychologist. I work in the US so I don't know for sure how it works in the UK, but because of client privilege, the therapist wouldn't legally be allowed to call the police and due to his age couldn't inform his parents. If a crime was committed in the past, even murder, it's protected. Now if he had said he was planning on killing someone else, then the therapist would have been obligated to take certain steps within his legal purview to prevent this.
Hope this helps!
I was going to say the same thing! I'm a Social Worker in the US and those are the rules we have to follow too.
I was thinking the same exact thing when she was explaining that part! I understand the rule but it’s unfortunate when it delays investigations like this
wow thank you for explaining this! i can't believe even murder is protected under that rule!
I'm in my final year studying to be a counsellor in the UK and yeah murder is protected. If you did disclose you could be reported to the BPS. You can report direct active threats to people and anything to do with child abuse.
Would you mind explaining how those laws make moral sense? I'm curious how something as serious as murder cannot be disclosed to the proper authorities. I'd appreciate any input.
this is so heart breaking. the thought of even upsetting my grandmother makes me feel sick never mind what he did.
holy cow girl, this is my first video in like a year, you look so different but equally amazing. i was like is this even the same girl?!??
It’s so sadistic to kill anyone, especially a family member who tried to give you a chance to live normally. May Mary rest in peace and I hope he rots in hell. Anyways. Amazing video like always! I was wondering…can you cover the Michael Moss case? Love you, Eli! ❤️
Replying cuz ur pfp is dope love tohru honda
No it’s more sad that she was so old and he knew she couldn’t defend herself wtf
@@GRUFFBONES I love her tooo
The fact I’ve been binge watching all the old videos I’ve seen before just to get me through my exams and she uploads a new one , made my Friday 🙂🙂
Same ❤️ ,sat here btw
Me too😅😅
Same lol and congratulations a bot stole your comment
My grandmother had dementia, and was in a memory care facility at dinner with my dad when she passed away. I was on a date (first and last with that person) when I got the call. Yes, Grandma didn't recognize any of us anymore, she was physically deteriorating, but we chose to make sure she was taken care of and visited her daily, rather than set fire to her home after making sure she couldn't escape. This is just incomprehensible to me. My internet history is worrisome enough, but nothing like Tiannon's--and includes plenty of cats and mermaids as well as serial killers, behavioral psychology, and anarchy, so I think the powers that be know I'm relatively harmless. Never in my life have I searched "might be a budding serial killer, please help"!
I watch true crime stuff all the time so normally hearing of murders doesn't phase me but when you described the details of him setting up obstacles to ensure she couldn't escape the fire... that floored and disgusted me. Such deplorable consideration he took to ensure her death. How awful. I feel so bad for the stepda
She is g l o w i n g. The middle part? The minimal makeup? The cottage core dress? I'm quaking
LITERALLY
love her so much 💕
@@agataspada4532 I thought I was the only one who noticed the weight loss. Seems very dramatic too. Hope she’s healthy 🥺
So uhhh I did not make this comment to be a place to discuss her weight, she's beautiful no matter what I just wanted to share her glow ❤
literally! what is with people randomly commenting on her weight. “her hair is less shiny” you know hair changes, right?
I work as a therapist and you absolutely have a duty to break confidentiality in that situation!
Eleanor, I didn’t even recognize you in the thumbnail, you look fantastic! Congrats on the Disney+ sponsor😭 maybe you’ll have your own show there one day
YES! the whole situation with CAMHS is horrific honestly ! my experience was just alright because i myself had a good therapist but some people i personally know have had HORRIBLE experiences with CAMHS. one person i know got told to "go home and have a bath" and another was told to "go a walk and have a cup of green tea". the UKs mental health support for teens is honestly horrendous.smh.
They amount of different ones that have said to me to read a book or bake cakes? Like I need a little more than that hun🤣
I hate that a lot, especially because people who are struggling barely have enough motivation to do the absolute minimum and the therapists should know that. You can't give WikiHow advice to somebody who is genuinely struggling with mental illness, those are things you say to somebody who is just feeling a little down for the day.
It isn’t just the UK unfortunately. Mental healthcare is horrible everywhere. At least you aren’t stuck with insane bills from your shit therapists lol
@@kiera6678The point is that they are trying to get you to do something outside of your problems. They don't have the time, and this is the problem, to know you personally, too suggest personally catered hobbies.
i know!!! i ended up SH a few years ago and they just told me ''not to do it again and go for a walk when i feel like doing it again'' or they'd tell me to ''draw and listen to music''
just a theory for him dropping out of 2 colleges, it could have been his anxiety, he dropped out once because of his anxiety, but as Eleanor amazingly said, he didn't want to be behind everyone else, so enrolled in a new college, but the same problems occurred, and he decided just to drop out again
I was homeschooled in the UK and it is big there too. Homeschooling doesn't mean being locked up in your house all day, usually I'd have one other activity every weekday, with other homeschooled children. The group I was in had around 50 children, not everyone would go to everything, but for example, thursdays we'd have PE together, Wednesday's we'd have drama and some other activity, tuesdays we'd have science and I think fridays was glass art and mondays was rock climbing. The mums would hire private teachers for the activities and everyone would chip in so that it wasnt crazy expensive. Most subjects like maths, English etc... were taught at home, but sometimes we would go to some lectures as a group. Not everyone would spend time together all the time, some people would only go to some activities and some to others etc... and there were some that I didnt go to. I was also in a church choir and in the scouts.
I was only homeschooled for a couple years, from 8 to 10, but it was definitely a good experience. It was very good for my social skills since there wasn't much bullying. I was homeschooled because my school wouldn't let us take as many vacations as my family would like to. Being homeschooled let me go faster than we would learn at school, after going back to school I had to wait around 3 years before I started learning new major things. (they dont let you skip grades in my country)
Kind of weird that the cops didn't pick up on the smoke detectors being removed and the phone line being disconnected. Unless it all burned up in the fire and there was no evidence
judging from the pictures i don’t think everything burned down, so i believe that would’ve been noticeable :( guess they just didn’t care enough
@@niaram probably. That's usually how it goes it would seem.
I love how you tell the stories and how you don't make excuses for them, there are just bad ppl in this world. RIP to that poor lady 💔
In December my gran died because of a house fire (also died in hospital) and hearing this case fills me with so much rage because it feels very personal. The fact that I lost my gran like that will haunt me forever and he just does that to his because of an argument? Genuinely a disgusting person.
@@MoonBerryBat this was two months ago but thank you!! I'm doing a lot better now :)
holy shit imagine being sponsered by fuckin disney!!!! and promoting boba fett, way to go eleanor!
No kidding! I’m surprised this is the first comment I’ve seen addressing that! I’m so damn impressed 👀
i was surprised they’d sponsor true crime! they’re so image centered
!!!
You’re really talented in the way you present these stories. I have tried watching other true crime RUclips channels but they aren’t put together like yours so I’m just not as engaged. You always have cases I’ve never heard of as well! This one was really sad. Never stop making these videos please 💕
I live in the uk and im homeschooled due to anxiety and depression and I’m also autistic but the school refused to help and give me the support I needed but since I’ve left I’ve came a lot more confident and not struggling as much and have also been to CAMHs and had such bad experiences
I wish u nothing but the best
I had the exact same experience, my school didn’t care about helping at all. I eventually got diagnosed as autistic at 17, missed my entire high school education and was left feeling really far behind in life. I’m 20 now, I’ve made much better progress on my own than I ever did with CAMHs help. I wish you the best!
As someone who was in the system from the age of 13 to 17, I immensely appreciate your critique of the NHS mental health services (especially the young people division)!
Hi! Social work major here!
Where I live in Canada (and many other countries), therapists have to keep the professional secrecy. If the act committed was in the past, whatever what the act is, it is actually illegal to report it to the police. Hope that clears thing up ☺️
i appreciate your work
i cant even imagine how hard it has to be to prepare everything for those videos and to do research on all these cases, and then explaining everything so understandable and professional?! like wow thank you so much for being such an amazing person
hi, Eleanor. thank you for your videos, ur wonderful.
yesterday i found out about a murder that happened in Ukraine. as a russian, i was really interested in the case. and then i was shocked by the horror of what happened: a 13 year old boy raped a 6 year old girl two times and then murdered her. i dont think you can find much info about the case on the internet, but if you're interested in covering it, the girl's name is Miroslava Tretyak (Мирослава Третяк). the thing is, the boy was charged with 3 (!!!) years in special institution. so basically he's free because he's untriable due to his age.
it's just horrible. this human isn't a boy, he's a monster...
Wow……
this worlds fucked up
I’m just reading up on this and it says “The teen's own sister said: “Once he caught a kitten and pricked its eyes out. Then he grabbed it by the tail and beat it to death against a wall.””
Thanks so much for covering this case, I am from the area and remember this happening. Tiernan was actually a mutual friend at the time... very scary stuff. I'm so glad he is in prison now and hopefully he never gets out.
This week has been so heavy. Seeing Eleanor back from her break really brought my spirits up. So glad to get this notification thank you amazing video
When we talk about CAMHS, I only know people with negative experiences. I was in hospital at 16 after an attempt on my life. They arrived after I had my stomach pumped and took me into an office and told me that all teenagers go through this…huh? Finally got CBT when i was desperate and pregnant at 25 last year because I wanted to be the best mother I could to my little girl and I feel SO much better but it took 9 years for actual therapy and not just medication. CBT isn’t good for everyone but i would recommend it for people who have mental illness as a result of their childhood. ✨
im currently going through CBT for my PTSD and tbf it really does help, I can see my light at the end of the tunnel finally ❤❤❤
@@charlie-mariebell8751 so happy to hear that! I wish you all the best for your recovery 💖
I was with CAMHS too. They tried to convince everyone that I was autistic without even organizing an evaluation. I'm not autistic. They were just trying to blame everyone but themselves for their disgraceful works.
@@charlie-mariebell8751 you are so strong 💕
@@KatieAliceGamer i got diagnosed with ADHD (i dont have ADHD) and put on strong meds when i was about 13-14 that had lasting affects on my height and weight, but all i needed was therapy for the things i was going through as a kid. Wish there was a better way to help kids without medicating and ignoring them.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MENTIONING HOW BAD CAMHS IS !!!!!! After multiple times of my “therapist” cancelling my appointments with her and never bothering to reschedule, I was blamed for being too in my feelings and not calling back when I got the letter that said I’d be take off the patient list. What was I supposed to cal back for ? Them to cancel my appointment again which I relayed on every week. I had a great therapist before all the changes, but something happened to her and I was basically left without any appointments until I told my guidance teacher at school who had to push it forward again and say look she’s just been left like this without any explanation? Then I got two therapists which I don’t even understand why, like why do I need two to be alternating every week, that’s too much work for someone explaining all that shit to two people, then I was left with only one, and then the whole thing with cancelling appointments happening etc. just terrible service, psychiatrist was awful too, just seemed like everyone was against you there and your mental health issues were just you being a “teenager”
As far as the therapist goes, I’m pretty sure that it would be doctor-patient confidentiality. They are only supposed to break this confidentiality if they are planning on hurting someone else or themselves. So if they already killed someone, I don’t think they can legally tell anyone. I could be wrong, but I believe I have heard of that same exact situation before.
You’re exactly right!
that's pretty much it, same as the seal of the confessional.
Due to confidentiality, a therapist may not generally disclose the contents of a therapy session with the police, even if the client has admitted to committing a crime.
Thats why she got the dad in so he could hear it and not be under an oath of confidentiality
I absolutely love the light makeup today!! Also, a Disney+ sponsor??? Out of all the things to sponsor I wouldn't expect a true crime video, Congratulations!!!
I wouldn’t celebrate being associated with Disney.
Have you seen half the shit on Disney+ now? The Walking Dead, American Horror Story, Criminal Minds, the list goes on and I’m sure parents can attempt to safeguard them but jeez. They’ll really stack anything for a profit share lol
Plus people need to do some research on all of the Disney employees that have been associated with obtaining child abuse material recently. Abductions from their parks have been going on for years . Kids trafficked left right and centre. Subliminal messages in their animations that include disgusting imagery. If only people knew ☹️
Hiya! Side note; I was home-schooled from an very young age. Contrary to popular belief, there are actually a lot us in the UK. (And no, you can legally chose to homeschool without there being a specific reason to.)
Not to mention, in most cases, it's actually an incredibly sociable and "free range" way to raise children.
There are large groups in most areas, that are very useful and give kids extremely rare chances that a lot of children in school wouldn't even get.
I remember taking courses at the BBC for robotics and animation at about 6, drama classes, scientific lectures etc.
Most of us also go on to get gcse's, multiple Alvls, uni etc, including myself.
Just wanted to post this, as I feel there is always a lot of misunderstanding about the homeschooling community! Great ep as always! 🥰💗✌️
Stuck at home bored because we are in the middle of an ice storm in Arkansas 🥶 Thankfully Eleanor just made my day again. Been missing her so much! Thanks for the upload 😀
Hope you are safe. Have a nice weekend ☺️
@@nele238 Thank you😊 Everyone is safe and warm inside here:) Have a great weekend yourself!
I’m right here with you, hang in there!
same here! eating some soup to warm up lol
NY is crazy right now. Straight ice storm over night. Can't even shovel .it's solid!!
Can we take a moment to appreciate Eleanor's hair; it looks so shiny and healthy! My niece is a similar age and she has very similar red hair, she loves being a ginger ❤️
Can we also talk about how beautiful that top looks on her, that baby blue is stunning on her :) and her skin is glowing
@@Thisiskamsyt she looks so fresh faced and healthy.
She has lost so much of weight. I am tuning in after a long time. Everything have always looked good on her.
@@bhaswatidas8399 I know right!!!??? she’s absolutely gorgeous
Love the fresh no makeup look. Makes it feel as if it should be summer 🥰🥰🥰
I lived with my maternal grandma for a time back when I was a young child and it absolutely breaks my heart to think of anyone doing that to their own grandma. There is no defending his actions, I cannot think of anything much worse.
The quote “I’m turning into a serial killer “ suggests to me that he’s killed more than 1 but less than 3 people, doesn’t anyone else think that?
yess !
agreed
Honestly I'm so glad to have discovered this channel, just the fact that everything is discussed thoroughly and that Eleanor always makes sure to explain everything very well!
I've said this before but I LOVE how even when she states that the killer was troubled in some way or had a bad childhood she doesn't make it sound ok. I feel like a lot of people pull the whole "they had a bad childhood/were troubled" card to EXCUSE behaviour not to understand why it happened, and it makes me sick.
Mental health issues can explain something, but it doesn't mean it's an excuse and this goes for little things as well. Like if you blow up at your friends because of your issues it's still your job to apologise and rectify the situation.
Idk I really just love this channel
I love the fact he’s so casual about it and then he’s like no I was lying it’s a misunderstanding😅. That will be the new phrase for all murders from now on🤦♀️✨
I’ve never had a case near my area before by Eleanor and hearing this stuff happen so close to me makes me realise how this stuff can happen anywhere. His grandma sounds amazing bless her heart ❤️
Me too I’m from Lancaster and I go to Lmc
Another great video! Have you ever thought about covering the Brandon Teena case? Its quite interesting yet heartbreaking, it was even turned into a movie called "boys don't cry."
I remember that movie that was so sad 😢
I’m curious that fire fighters didn’t think that it was weird, having a table right outside blocking Mary’s doorway? Smoke detector damaged and phone line cut? Are those reasons not enough to think it was not an accident? 🧐
You also have to think it's not that fire fighters job to and the police had no idea there was this conflict going on between the two. And since she did have dementia and was known to be a heavy smoker (With also the cigarette starting the fire) It very well seems that she was the one who accidentally started the fire :(( Very very sad
@@anxpants yes it is very sad indeed :(
it always makes my day when you post a video 💕 horribly awful, sad case, i can’t imagine the terror his grandmother felt. you do a wonderful job of showing so much compassion to the victims of all your cases and your story telling (i know they’re not stories, but you know what i mean) style is so wonderful, i absolutely love to watch your videos (also, you’re STUNNINGLY beautiful ♥️)
I’m not making excuses for this kid, I never graduated high school due to severe anxiety and never in my darkest moments would i ever harm another living thing. I do however wish people in positions of power would take stories like this in and realize that giving EVERYONE access to proper mental health care is literally life or death. I’ve been to places just like the one Eleanor talked about. They don’t care about you, listen to you or take into account the fact that what you see on the surface level is not always what is on the inside of a person. Just makes me livid because I know how much big corporations love to say they support mental health and have you donate money to some whack institution that alienates people from their feelings and only people with money can have access to good therapists.
“Life with a minimum of 15 years.” He’ll be out in 15 to 20 years because our justice system is just that good 🙄😬😑
As someone who’s always lived with they’re granny and now cares for her now as she has dementia, this absolutely sickens me. May beautiful Mary rest in peace and he goes to hell
that picture of his stepgrandma is so beautiful. she reminds me of my own grandmother, who is basically my best friend, and i think that is why this case touched me so much. it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that someone is capable to do something like this to such an angel. may she rest in peace 🤍
OMG HI ELANOR!!! I haven’t been back in a while and this is the first true crime video I’ve watched in about 6 months!! I’m so happy to be back 🥰😁
Girl, where you been? I’m here checking on the daily 😆
My grandma was my best friend. I would give anything to have her back - someone like him doesn’t deserve someone like Mary. May she rest in paradise 🕊🤍
And may the mental health services/professionals recognise their complicity in this case.
tiernan struggling with anxiety/social anxiety and depression so then having to do homeschool, sounds exactly like my situation.
Except I’m not a murderer, just a very very unstable teenager who does online school bc I’d get panic attacks as soon as I entered school
Right when you put the picture of his step grandmother up my heart immediately sunk
This is such a horrifying case!! Be safe everyone ❤️❤️🙏🏾
@Cute as Frogss People sometimes hear about the cases before youtubers cover them lol
@Cute as Frogss Maybe they heard of the case before, or just assuming by the title and thumbnail.
Have a lot of respect for you Elenor for saying at the beginning of the video that you will be talking about depression and anxiety. That’s so thoughtful 💕love all you’re videos Xx
Never expected the area I live in to end up on this channel, but here we are!
I'm so glad he confessed and she got justice. ❤
When I was in high school (small town Ohio) another local boy killed his grandma then went to a party we were all at afterward… it was so creepy and insane when it came out what he did. He stabbed her over 40 times and hid her in a closet.
omg wtf
Eleanor! I love your videos! I literally watch them almost daily and it helps so much with my anxiety when I’m trying to get the house clean or anything similar.
I was hoping you could do a video about a missing persons case from my hometown in Shasta Lake, CA. The case is about Tera Smith. There’s a lot of information about it but she’s been missing since 1998 and everyone knows who did it but there’s never been enough evidence to convict him. Maybe if by sharing her case on your platform it could bring her case to light again and possibly bring her family answers.
Thank you for doing what you do and doing it in a very professional and respectful way!♥️
My experience with CAMHs is shocking too, as is everyone else that I know. A list of issues includes but are not limited to:
- I am transgender, they refer to me with my dead name, book appointments with my dead name and have my chosen name in quotation marks (e.g; Jessica 'James' Jones).
- They repeatedly broke confidentiality
- My therapist also had social anxiety which was great because it'd be like, 20 minutes of us sitting there in dead silence
- I was not listened to or treated like an adult at all
It's a shame that CAMHS is the only way I could get my diagnosis and medication. Thank god I aged out of CAMHS. Every session was torture, I hated it so much
What’s a dead name?
@@makiroll218 if someone who is transgender chooses to change their name, their dead name would be the name that they were born with (the one they used before they changed their name). for example if you are a trans man, your dead name would be the name that you had before you came out, when you were still seen as a girl.
Oh that sounds awful I am so sorry you've been treated like this :(
I actually used to work at a clinic and legally they had to use “insert name” if the patient hasnt legally changed their name. However every time someone entered the patients chart there would be an alert about the transgender/non-binary/other patient’s preferred/chosen name. We wouldnt refer or call them with their birth name, at least not on purpose
I’m crying the therapist had social anxiety too😭😭
Have been watching her channel for 4 years and she never gets old🥰
What a horrible person, murderering an old lady who tried to help him. Even if she would have been very strict, she saved him from homelessness when his own mom was done with him and this is how he repaid her. Infuriating.
in the beginning of the video i was like “oh i’m glad the grandmother isn’t the victim, seems like one of the party friends.” n by the end i was upset LMAO
1 min in and I’m starting a petition for Eleanore to link her cute tops/dresses! 😂
If anyone knows where her top in this video is from please let me know!!
i knoww!! its so cute. im going to try find where its from, i'll send a link when i find it!!
The fact that she just tried to help him and this is how he repays her is absolutely gut wrenching.
So sad he felt powerful after his grandmother died. A poor old lady.
as someone whos had a good experience with camhs, its so awful knowing people had bad ones :/
I had so much trouble with them at first. From disinterested therapists to one’s that didn’t care and even patronising one’s that made me feel like I was a child. but on my 5th try I got the best therapist ever. I cried when I turned 18 and had to get a new one. She made my ptsd feel like it was nothing😅
The explanation of different kinds of schooling was very insightful!
Chams are absolutely shocking. I was on the waiting list for years before I was seen and then when I was seen my therapist made it very clear I would only be getting 8 sessions so the underlying tone of that ( how I took it anyway) was you’ve got 8 sessions to work on your issues because after that your on your own again. And obviously after years of things happening while being on the waiting list , 8 sessions was nowhere near enough