I'll say, I liked Jay. I thought he was a good fit. HOWEVER, want to know how much I've listened to Slipknot since Joey left? Roughly 5 minutes. Since Eloy joined? I've watched every single bootleg youtube video I can find. Many many hours. I've ever gone back and listened to the records a few times just because hearing them live reignited my love for their music. This guy is just on another level. All due respect to Jay and of course the legend and founding father Joey, but Eloy is just simply in a league of his own.
how can you say jay was a good fit if you have only listen to 5 minutes? either he wasnt a good fit, which is why you didnt listen, or he was a good fit and you didnt listen enough to even realize that.
@@jeffmentanko740 his tempo was sloppy and he was replaced for a reason, let's just put it like that. He looked the part, had the energy, and obviously he was a good fit bc he was in the band for a decade. But he didn't stay on top of his game. I watch videos from 2 years ago and he was slopppyyyyy. Most people don't notice that, and think he sounds fine, but that isn't good enough in this business when people like Eloy can come in and CRUSH it. 5 minutes was a hyperbole. Any more questions?
As a drummer myself for like 30 Fn years and admittedly can't hold a candle to EITHER of these bad asses..I can still share an educated opinion. Seen the Legend Joey (RIP 🙏) 3X Jay 2X in concerts and could tell the difference when Jay got in for sure. Been following Eloy on RUclips for years. And without a doubt, Eloy grabbed the torch and beats those drums and cymbals like a mob boss they owe a LOT of money to! Joey's looking down at the ex girlfriend that's unfortunately now dating a supermodel dude and all you can do in that situation is congratulate. Much better than her dating the sloppy guy making you look bad! His ghost notes are flawless keeping he and all the band in perfect time 👌 🤘🤘 In Eloy I Trust for sure!!
Jay just couldn't keep up and was a huge drag for the band. Great guy and decent drummer. Just was never at that level the band needed and I still wonder why they went with such a young guy with very little experience. He really had to adapt and learn as he went in the begging, to get where he's at now, and it's still just kinda sloppy to me. But I've always admired his determination and being the son of Max.
God damn Eloy is insane. Putting them side by side makes Jay (a great drummer) sound actually bad. This is not a slight against Jay as I said he is great, its a fucking praise of Eloy.
Everyone knows Eloy is better but this comparison video is nonsense. Jay's video is horribly distorted here, audio getting cut off by using some poor mans audio isolation app where as Eloy's is an unaltered direct recording taken from the mixer lmao
@@spectre722 Its the timing people are talking about being bad with Jay, and the timing is completely intact even with the poor isolation. Nobody is talking about drum sounds. Listen specifically any time Jay has to do double kick.
@LanningKann I thought it was the iso at first but watching over the video, when they go into the ending/outro you can see his foot stops when the kicks stop.
A diferença é grande, mas é bem injusto menosprezar o trabalho que o Jay fez na banda. Ele é um bom baterista e representou bem o Slipknot durante todos esses anos.
Cara, na verdade não considero menosprezo. Considero que o Jay era um tapa buraco, que caiu bem no momento, porque ele sabia reproduzir as músicas do Slipknot... E que a banda e os fãns simplesmente deixaram rolar, porque ele foi o primeiro substituto do Joey. Mano, The Gray chapter é um album legal, mas os dois sucessores não tiveram nenhuma inovação sequer na bateria! E o cara mesmo estando na banda desde 2014 ainda errava as músicas ao vivo... Não dá mano, não é nem sobre menosprezar, é sobre uma melhoria que precisava ter sido feita a muito tempo! Cara, fui nos dois shows (2015 e 2022) com o Jay Weinberg, e cara ao vivo ele é muito ruim!!!!
@@PiukeBass As a drummer I think it's the other way, during grey chapter Jay did a copy-paste of Joey parts on early albums, the only original thing he did there was that thing in The Negative One around the middle with the toms and double bass. During wanyk and the end so far, Jay did some incredible stuff there, but the production was what ruined the drums for me, it sounded plastic, but his drumlines were actually fcking awesome on those records, and he did improve a lot over time during his time in the band
I love Jay and the energy he brought, but good god almighty Eloy is a human cheat code. The double bass is flawless. He hits like the set owes him money.
@@cuellorojo7117 i know he never used them with sepeltura but i really thought he used triggers during his slipknot live performence .i still think he does to be honest , the hits sound so clean and even .if not then he is not human .
To me it felt like jay was trying to be Joey very much. He didn’t try to be in time or put much effort into playing clean. Eloy took what Joey left for him and just complete took it to a different level while doing his own take. Eloy already does his own fills, adds ghost notes, changes double bass lines and overall makes it so much better. I’m excited for pro shot.
@@vitorfrens6923 i saw somewere that eloy made contact via a friend who knew slipknots bassist, something like this, the bassist already had an idea who eloy was and thought would fit the band... he was right
The new Slipknot material will be the real test as to whether Eloy made a good move or not. Slipknot obviously got the best possible drummer they could, but whether it was a good move for Eloy and whether he’s actually gonna be allowed to contribute musically in a way that satisfies him artistically is another matter….
Everyone will always appreciate Jay but Eloy really is on a different level. Very powerful. Super tight and on point. Both snares sound so good! 😂 so crispy
escutei o pedal duplo embolando do jay ai hein hahahahaha Subiu o BPM, tem que inclinar o corpo pra frente porque tá difícil de manter a velocidade. Eloy faz o bagulho suave como se nada tivesse acontecendo kkkkk Surreal a diferença técnica de ambos....
@@guilhermegobbo1986 Repara em reacts de bateristas com o Eloy, oq mais chama atenção dos kras é a consistência e facilidade do duplo do Eloy... Não é q o Jay seja ruim, é. Oq Eloy é insano
@@athosmosk o Eloy é um monstro no pedal duplo. Mas pra mim o Eloy não é só pedal duplo. Ele é um batera com muitas técnicas em um nível absurdo. Um nível a mais de qualquer outro batera de Metal
O Eloy de 16 anos toca melhor que ele. Sério. Esse cara nunca esteve no nível do Slipknot. As composições da bateria caíramos muito depois que o Joey saiu, principalmente as viradas.
Never really noticed how sloppy Jay's feet are until Eloy joined and all these "comparison" vids started popping up. It's painfully obvious why they wanted someone different/better. Sorry Jay! The Suicidal gig is more his league...shrugs 😂
Eloy’s playing ability is much more clean and powerful simultaneously which is extremely difficult. He’s definitely more precise and plays with power. However that was his first show. We’ll see how it progresses. I’m more excited abt slipknot now more than ever! 🤘🏼
Wasn’t his first show my guy. Been a few in before this one and he’s years ahead of Jay. And their close in age just shows who is all about their craft.
@@kennyandersonnnn his first show with slipknot… my guy… I know he’s a long time drummer with multiple bands including the recent sepultura departure. He is worlds beyond jay. Both have their qualities. I’m excited for the slipknot Eloy era
@@kennyandersonnnn my apologies man. I thought this was a vid from the limited audience desert show. Regardless, I’m excited to hear the future of slipknot!
justiça seja feita, o eloy provavelmente é o melhor baterista de metal vivo. existem outros incríveis como o cara do tool, o batera do sleep token também e outros, mas o eloy tá num nível insano
Eloy just sounds so crisp and precise!!! No disrespect to Jay but damn!! Night and day difference!! Eloy doesn’t use a metronome the metronome has to use an Eloy🤘
jay was let go due to behaviour issues, not as much his performance. only now i hear how sloppy his double bass is, in the regular i don't hear the random broken up parts.
@@sorin_ea6 oh you know because your inside the 9 right ? It was ALL of it. His double bass LIVE was downright embarrassing for a band of their caliber. Especially when you have RUclips drummers playing the songs better and tighter then the actual drummer. This was the best move slipknot could have made
@@Scottysevins Already his tempos are more spot on live than Jay. HUGE diff. for slower and groove tempos. Granted it's only a few shows but I have faith in Eloy.
Que comparação mais idiota de se fazer! O certo título do vídeo seria: "versões da música dos bateristas". Os dois são muito eficientes no que fazem, e no fim do dia, é só isso que é levado em consideração.
@@MattySOP Well, so far, the only new member to ever be praised upon joining is Eloy. The same can't be said for anyone else in the band. Nice try though, kid.
I'm sorry to say, Jay almost sounds like me pretending to know how to play drums (I'm a bassist). Playing the parts-ish, roughly where they should be played. Missing at least half of everything that's important. The clips are night and day, it's almost a parody. This also explained why I thought Slipknot became unlistenable, at least when it comes to live clips. Would be epic to see them now. Huge respect for Eloy.
Honestly never liked jay,,, he's slow, sloppy, can't keep the tempo even with his own music, had no creativity,,, always did the same blast beat outro, couldn't learn the music after 10 years?
The only thing I ever could never get on board with, with jay, was during those long fast double bass sections he would break up those double bass runs with fills and yes it sounded cool but it broke up the momentum of those sections. Jay is an exceptional drummer but I feel like he was a “rock” drummer. Not a “metal” drummer. The band’s core sound and early material requires a specific type of drumming and Eloy is able to bring that type of drumming to the table, exceptionally well.
Jay’s really fast with the double kick and precise But Eloy..he just hits different like literally hits different When Eloy plays, everyone brace themselves
Never liked Jay. The fact that he's out now and people can see how much he rushed etc is very satisfying.. dude didn't play ahead of the beat, he was kicking it uphill the whole time.. sloppy as.
Jay is fucking terrible in Slipknot, he does not fit into a metal band at all. That said, he is a great drummer in a lot of other genres. Eloy is far superior, and his singles and double strokes on the bass drums are way faster and cleaner. Jay sounds great until his sloppy inconsistent double bass starts
o Jay ja tava morrendo nos pedais isso que da o cara tbm não se cuidar... ambos tem a mesma idades e olha a diferença de performance.. como o Eloy falou , batera de metal tem que se cuidar pra perfumar bem.. e tai o resultado de quem se cuida e outro não...
I wish we could also hear Joey's live version at the end. Finally, this cannot really be a comparison, its just listening to one mans play style vs another, all these guys are great players, but I just can't help but say I love Eloy's machinegun kicks, so flowless compared to Jay's take...
Eloy está em outro nível que Jay não pode chegar. Jay é ruim, Eloy é muito superior e toca o que Joey fez com maestria e ainda melhora. O pedal duplo é perfeito, as Ghost Notes, o peso, a técnica, o Groove, q velocidade, ele é superior ao Jay em tudo. As comparações se tornam inevitáveis
Eloy is a drumming prodigy, it’s probably not fair to compare them at all. He’s in a different level all together. I’m just excited they have him onboard and can’t wait to hear him on the next studio album
i have been saying this - Just like Joey, Eloy got the groove, they both can make a heavy beat funky and dancey, I might even argue Eloy is the funkiest among all three of them. Jay's touch, feel, choice of drums and cymbals honestly make him a perfect rock drummer, I hope for the best for him.
Yep, way groovier. Joey was a unique drummer, but he still played with a rigidity. Eloy has a touch of Tomas Haake to his style which makes the groove flow much nicer.
Jay: completely removes or replaces double bass sections because they're too difficult. Eloy: adds MORE double bass because it's too boring. These two guys are in completely different leagues.
Diferença gritante e olha que aparentemente o Jay tá no limite dando o Máximo... Fez um bom trabalho no Slipknot o visual dele e presença de palco foram incríveis na banda... Mas não tem como comparar com o trator do Eloy, Brutal demais... Monstro 💪🤘🔥
I knew before that Jay is really sloppy when it comes to playing double bass. He finally got noticed because Eloy is a milliom times better than him. Glad he got replaced. made the rest of the band rush all the songs because of his changing Tempo. Eloy will make Slipknot better again 🤘
I would like to say that Jay was a really good drummer for SlipKnoT, talented and also with great creativity, it was a good replacement for Joey (RIP) even though Joey will be forever the best and no one will replace him, I was "happy" that Jay was keeping the same line that Joey started. That being said, I feel kinda sorry for Jay because the beast that is now blasting the drums, is eclipsing his entire carrer in SlipKnoT. Eloy is in a league of his own and in my personal opinion, one of the greatest drummers out there, and certainly, the one with the best technique, speed and heavyness in SlipKnoT. I hope that SlipKnoT keeps this line that they seem to be following, Im sure Eloy will bring some really tasty stuff, lets hope for the best 🤟
Jay is a great drummer, no doubt of it, but Eloy and Joey are in another level. There is no comparison. Beside of that, Eloy made me love Slipknot again. I hope they record some new stuff soon.
JAY IS FULL OF TRIGGER, DISSIPATOR, ETC, AND YET THE SOUND DOES NOT COME OUT SYNCHRONIZED, ELOY CASAGRANDE WITHOUT METROMETER, WITHOUT TRIGGER, WITHOUT HEATSINKS, WITHOUT SAPLES, WITHOUT EFFECTS, ONLY HIS DRUMSTICK AND HIS STRENGTH, AND THE DRUMS SOUND LIKE THE GODS
I’d bet he still uses triggers for the sound of it at live shows so it sounds nicer. They can only do one round of the song live so it’s a good tool to have.
@@fan_de_ale_villarreal eres sordo== no te das cuenta la diferencia del sonido de la bateria entre eloy y jay ? jay usa trigger sampls y todo lo que tenga para la batería es lamentable que jay lo unico que necesitaba era metronomo
Jay's had the burden of having been compared by two other drummers - one when he joined the band & now after leaving the band. nonetheless he was kinda a new face & he did his time well with Slipknot
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I'll say, I liked Jay. I thought he was a good fit. HOWEVER, want to know how much I've listened to Slipknot since Joey left? Roughly 5 minutes. Since Eloy joined? I've watched every single bootleg youtube video I can find. Many many hours. I've ever gone back and listened to the records a few times just because hearing them live reignited my love for their music. This guy is just on another level. All due respect to Jay and of course the legend and founding father Joey, but Eloy is just simply in a league of his own.
same 💯
Same man.. Even hearing Jim Root say in an interview “we gonna write music to respect Eloy’s drumming” speaks volume what hes bringing to Slipknot.
Eloy 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀 vídeo
how can you say jay was a good fit if you have only listen to 5 minutes? either he wasnt a good fit, which is why you didnt listen, or he was a good fit and you didnt listen enough to even realize that.
@@jeffmentanko740 his tempo was sloppy and he was replaced for a reason, let's just put it like that. He looked the part, had the energy, and obviously he was a good fit bc he was in the band for a decade. But he didn't stay on top of his game. I watch videos from 2 years ago and he was slopppyyyyy. Most people don't notice that, and think he sounds fine, but that isn't good enough in this business when people like Eloy can come in and CRUSH it. 5 minutes was a hyperbole. Any more questions?
Cara que técnica de swivel dele mano. Faz toda diferença no Groove!!!!💯
Jay's double kick sounds very inconsistent in comparison to Eloy.
night and day!
always thought jay was garbage
As an elder maggot, and I speak for every generation of maggots and say … in Eloy we trust.
Elder maggot here as well. Eloy is the truth.
100%
As a drummer myself for like 30 Fn years and admittedly can't hold a candle to EITHER of these bad asses..I can still share an educated opinion.
Seen the Legend Joey (RIP 🙏) 3X
Jay 2X in concerts and could tell the difference when Jay got in for sure.
Been following Eloy on RUclips for years. And without a doubt, Eloy grabbed the torch and beats those drums and cymbals like a mob boss they owe a LOT of money to!
Joey's looking down at the ex girlfriend that's unfortunately now dating a supermodel dude and all you can do in that situation is congratulate.
Much better than her dating the sloppy guy making you look bad!
His ghost notes are flawless keeping he and all the band in perfect time 👌 🤘🤘
In Eloy I Trust for sure!!
Jay just couldn't keep up and was a huge drag for the band. Great guy and decent drummer. Just was never at that level the band needed and I still wonder why they went with such a young guy with very little experience. He really had to adapt and learn as he went in the begging, to get where he's at now, and it's still just kinda sloppy to me. But I've always admired his determination and being the son of Max.
Fuck no
Jay : tututu trututu rtututut rururtutu tuturtruu
Eloy : TUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTUTU
I can hear Eloy’s ghost notes better than Jays hitting toms.
Damn, that's right!
Because Jays drumtrack is isolated from a live recording while Eloy used his own recording device for recording drums in this video .Huge difference.
@@Backpflaume666 I saw that. The drum mix just SUCKS then.
hahahahhaha
watch jays og video on his channel, it does it more justice.
God damn Eloy is insane. Putting them side by side makes Jay (a great drummer) sound actually bad. This is not a slight against Jay as I said he is great, its a fucking praise of Eloy.
Everyone knows Eloy is better but this comparison video is nonsense.
Jay's video is horribly distorted here, audio getting cut off by using some poor mans audio isolation app where as Eloy's is an unaltered direct recording taken from the mixer lmao
@@spectre722 Its the timing people are talking about being bad with Jay, and the timing is completely intact even with the poor isolation. Nobody is talking about drum sounds. Listen specifically any time Jay has to do double kick.
@@spectre722those missing kicks is Jay missing kicks. Neither he nor Eloy use triggers. That’s just how he sounds.
@LanningKann I thought it was the iso at first but watching over the video, when they go into the ending/outro you can see his foot stops when the kicks stop.
The AI didn't make Jay play like shit tho. @@spectre722
A diferença é grande, mas é bem injusto menosprezar o trabalho que o Jay fez na banda. Ele é um bom baterista e representou bem o Slipknot durante todos esses anos.
Coisa de fanzinho de rock.. Não perde nem tempo com esses caras.. Não tocam metade do que os dois tocam.. Famosos faladores de internet
Até que enfim alguém falou! Os dois são excelentes bateras
Cara, na verdade não considero menosprezo. Considero que o Jay era um tapa buraco, que caiu bem no momento, porque ele sabia reproduzir as músicas do Slipknot... E que a banda e os fãns simplesmente deixaram rolar, porque ele foi o primeiro substituto do Joey. Mano, The Gray chapter é um album legal, mas os dois sucessores não tiveram nenhuma inovação sequer na bateria! E o cara mesmo estando na banda desde 2014 ainda errava as músicas ao vivo... Não dá mano, não é nem sobre menosprezar, é sobre uma melhoria que precisava ter sido feita a muito tempo! Cara, fui nos dois shows (2015 e 2022) com o Jay Weinberg, e cara ao vivo ele é muito ruim!!!!
@@PiukeBass As a drummer I think it's the other way, during grey chapter Jay did a copy-paste of Joey parts on early albums, the only original thing he did there was that thing in The Negative One around the middle with the toms and double bass. During wanyk and the end so far, Jay did some incredible stuff there, but the production was what ruined the drums for me, it sounded plastic, but his drumlines were actually fcking awesome on those records, and he did improve a lot over time during his time in the band
@@PiukeBasscalm down!
I love Jay and the energy he brought, but good god almighty Eloy is a human cheat code. The double bass is flawless. He hits like the set owes him money.
and eloy is not even using triggers, damn man
@@cuellorojo7117 i know he never used them with sepeltura but i really thought he used triggers during his slipknot live performence .i still think he does to be honest , the hits sound so clean and even .if not then he is not human .
And the ghost notes. It’s a case study in how much they make a difference to the depth of a groove..
I really can’t listen to this song any other way after hearing Eloy play with the ghost notes, it just grooves much harder this way
@@Soysauce4410 but no better... ghostly notes are out of place here.
To me it felt like jay was trying to be Joey very much. He didn’t try to be in time or put much effort into playing clean. Eloy took what Joey left for him and just complete took it to a different level while doing his own take. Eloy already does his own fills, adds ghost notes, changes double bass lines and overall makes it so much better. I’m excited for pro shot.
I don't know who had the idea to replace Jay by Eloy, but what a fucking good idea !!
Eloy is the best for Slipknot.
I can be wrong, but I think I saw somewhere that it was a suggestion by the bassist
@@vitorfrens6923 if its right, so thanks to Vman 🙏🏽
@@vitorfrens6923 i saw somewere that eloy made contact via a friend who knew slipknots bassist, something like this, the bassist already had an idea who eloy was and thought would fit the band... he was right
The new Slipknot material will be the real test as to whether Eloy made a good move or not.
Slipknot obviously got the best possible drummer they could, but whether it was a good move for Eloy and whether he’s actually gonna be allowed to contribute musically in a way that satisfies him artistically is another matter….
Eloy as an absolute beast, every note plays no matter how fast is so powerful and precise
Everyone will always appreciate Jay but Eloy really is on a different level. Very powerful. Super tight and on point. Both snares sound so good! 😂 so crispy
The Tama bell brass Eloy is playing sounds much better imo
Jay is an awesome drummer, the comparison isnt fair because Eloy is not human.
escutei o pedal duplo embolando do jay ai hein hahahahaha
Subiu o BPM, tem que inclinar o corpo pra frente porque tá difícil de manter a velocidade. Eloy faz o bagulho suave como se nada tivesse acontecendo kkkkk
Surreal a diferença técnica de ambos....
Nossa emboladaço! Mas cara ele devia tá cansado pra caralho. Show após show. É foda. E o Eloy é um mostro. Sem palavras
@@guilhermegobbo1986 mano mas pior que essa era a música de entrada na setlist de quando o Jay tava. Foi a primeira faixa do show kkkk
@@prototype697 Bah! Sei lá então kkk mas não era o dia dele.
@@guilhermegobbo1986 Repara em reacts de bateristas com o Eloy, oq mais chama atenção dos kras é a consistência e facilidade do duplo do Eloy... Não é q o Jay seja ruim, é. Oq Eloy é insano
@@athosmosk o Eloy é um monstro no pedal duplo. Mas pra mim o Eloy não é só pedal duplo. Ele é um batera com muitas técnicas em um nível absurdo. Um nível a mais de qualquer outro batera de Metal
O Eloy de 16 anos toca melhor que ele. Sério.
Esse cara nunca esteve no nível do Slipknot. As composições da bateria caíramos muito depois que o Joey saiu, principalmente as viradas.
Com 16 anos? Você só pode estar de sacanagem! Com 14 já não dava mais pro Jay kkkkkkk
Never really noticed how sloppy Jay's feet are until Eloy joined and all these "comparison" vids started popping up. It's painfully obvious why they wanted someone different/better. Sorry Jay! The Suicidal gig is more his league...shrugs 😂
Eloy’s playing ability is much more clean and powerful simultaneously which is extremely difficult. He’s definitely more precise and plays with power. However that was his first show. We’ll see how it progresses. I’m more excited abt slipknot now more than ever! 🤘🏼
Wasn’t his first show my guy. Been a few in before this one and he’s years ahead of Jay. And their close in age just shows who is all about their craft.
@@kennyandersonnnn his first show with slipknot… my guy… I know he’s a long time drummer with multiple bands including the recent sepultura departure. He is worlds beyond jay. Both have their qualities. I’m excited for the slipknot Eloy era
@@allenbrowning1551 it wasn’t his first show with slipknot dude hahah
@@kennyandersonnnn my apologies man. I thought this was a vid from the limited audience desert show. Regardless, I’m excited to hear the future of slipknot!
Me too
Notável a diferença de nível técnico, Eloy tá a anos luz a frente do jay!!
justiça seja feita, o eloy provavelmente é o melhor baterista de metal vivo. existem outros incríveis como o cara do tool, o batera do sleep token também e outros, mas o eloy tá num nível insano
@@mau9175Danny Carey is on a much higher level lol
@@mau9175 O Two é realmente muito foda.
@@radicalstanza3614 vc n conhece eloy casagrande pra falar essas besteiras.
@@mau9175aquiles priester está vivo....
Can we not just let them both their own people and enjoy them for what they were?
correct, different style, both good drummers, and I'am brazilian
Essas notas fantasmas é muito bom
Né bagulho satisfatório demais
Dang!. I didn't realize how sloppy Jay was. He had 10 years to improve and did SLIP-((NOT)).
Eloy is literally the best drummer in metal history. Seriously. Who the fuck can be compatible?
So slipknot needs the absolute best drummer in the world in order to “be good again “ ? ..
@MattySOP huh? Do you always just pull random bullshit straight out of your ass or was the relevant comment to that deleted?
Eloy just sounds so crisp and precise!!! No disrespect to Jay but damn!! Night and day difference!! Eloy doesn’t use a metronome the metronome has to use an Eloy🤘
jay sounds horrible
Eloy is something out of this world
Jay just doesnt have the stamina on fast double kicks or rolls, you can hear him change when he starts losing it
Hands down Eloy is better in terms of consistency, power & timing. Jay should develop his double peds and timing.
Upgrade no doubt
Eloy! Clean, precise, fast, groovy and so fucking powerful.
Eloy is next level dude!
Jay’s example here sounded sloppy compared to eloy’s precision
ELOY CASAGRANDE
Damn Eloy got some GROOVES
Jay, where are you rushing?
I never thought Jay was a good fit for Slipknot. Eloy was the true successor of Joey🤘
Anyone who has any question of why Jay was
Let go after this video, should just stop listening to slipknot
jay was let go due to behaviour issues, not as much his performance. only now i hear how sloppy his double bass is, in the regular i don't hear the random broken up parts.
@@sorin_ea6 oh you know because your inside the 9 right ? It was ALL of it. His double bass LIVE was downright embarrassing for a band of their caliber. Especially when you have RUclips drummers playing the songs better and tighter then the actual drummer. This was the best move slipknot could have made
@@Scottysevins Already his tempos are more spot on live than Jay. HUGE diff. for slower and groove tempos. Granted it's only a few shows but I have faith in Eloy.
Que comparação mais idiota de se fazer! O certo título do vídeo seria: "versões da música dos bateristas". Os dois são muito eficientes no que fazem, e no fim do dia, é só isso que é levado em consideração.
Yeah, although I was always a big fan of Jay's job, Eloy definitely has an impact to each of his strokes
All about the power and the groove...
Eloy = Ferrari
Jay = Jetta
Shiny new toys always get praised at first
@@MattySOP Well, so far, the only new member to ever be praised upon joining is Eloy. The same can't be said for anyone else in the band. Nice try though, kid.
@@Xeroforte sorry to hurt your feels
I'm sorry to say, Jay almost sounds like me pretending to know how to play drums (I'm a bassist). Playing the parts-ish, roughly where they should be played. Missing at least half of everything that's important. The clips are night and day, it's almost a parody. This also explained why I thought Slipknot became unlistenable, at least when it comes to live clips. Would be epic to see them now. Huge respect for Eloy.
Honestly never liked jay,,, he's slow, sloppy, can't keep the tempo even with his own music, had no creativity,,, always did the same blast beat outro, couldn't learn the music after 10 years?
Eloy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay 😂😂😂
Great example of how the same piece can have totally different feels just by changing out the player
Putz tem nem comparação kkkk Eloy destrói
The only thing I ever could never get on board with, with jay, was during those long fast double bass sections he would break up those double bass runs with fills and yes it sounded cool but it broke up the momentum of those sections. Jay is an exceptional drummer but I feel like he was a “rock” drummer. Not a “metal” drummer. The band’s core sound and early material requires a specific type of drumming and Eloy is able to bring that type of drumming to the table, exceptionally well.
Jay’s really fast with the double kick and precise
But Eloy..he just hits different like literally hits different
When Eloy plays, everyone brace themselves
Eloy's ghost notes give a bit of latin vibe to song)
Never liked Jay. The fact that he's out now and people can see how much he rushed etc is very satisfying.. dude didn't play ahead of the beat, he was kicking it uphill the whole time.. sloppy as.
Jay is fucking terrible in Slipknot, he does not fit into a metal band at all. That said, he is a great drummer in a lot of other genres. Eloy is far superior, and his singles and double strokes on the bass drums are way faster and cleaner. Jay sounds great until his sloppy inconsistent double bass starts
Eloy это лучшее что случалось со Slipknot
o Jay ja tava morrendo nos pedais isso que da o cara tbm não se cuidar... ambos tem a mesma idades e olha a diferença de performance.. como o Eloy falou , batera de metal tem que se cuidar pra perfumar bem.. e tai o resultado de quem se cuida e outro não...
ELOY , World class best
I'm not gonna lie, I never liked Slipknot but Eloy joining makes me wanna hear what their new material sounds like.
Jay's performance was awesome! However, that is all forgotten once you've seen Mr. Casagrande perform.
A única coisa que o Jay ganha do Eloy é no cabelo, só. Kkkkkk
I wish we could also hear Joey's live version at the end. Finally, this cannot really be a comparison, its just listening to one mans play style vs another, all these guys are great players, but I just can't help but say I love Eloy's machinegun kicks, so flowless compared to Jay's take...
Eloy está em outro nível que Jay não pode chegar. Jay é ruim, Eloy é muito superior e toca o que Joey fez com maestria e ainda melhora. O pedal duplo é perfeito, as Ghost Notes, o peso, a técnica, o Groove, q velocidade, ele é superior ao Jay em tudo. As comparações se tornam inevitáveis
Eloy is a drumming prodigy, it’s probably not fair to compare them at all. He’s in a different level all together. I’m just excited they have him onboard and can’t wait to hear him on the next studio album
Jay swung a lot. Human feel. Pretty sloppy. Eloy hits harder, he’s a machine. The ghost notes are sick.
i have been saying this - Just like Joey, Eloy got the groove, they both can make a heavy beat funky and dancey, I might even argue Eloy is the funkiest among all three of them. Jay's touch, feel, choice of drums and cymbals honestly make him a perfect rock drummer, I hope for the best for him.
Yep, way groovier. Joey was a unique drummer, but he still played with a rigidity. Eloy has a touch of Tomas Haake to his style which makes the groove flow much nicer.
Damn I thought that was Lars for a second it was jay
It was Lars with a wig and a mask 😂
Jay: completely removes or replaces double bass sections because they're too difficult.
Eloy: adds MORE double bass because it's too boring.
These two guys are in completely different leagues.
Diferença gritante e olha que aparentemente o Jay tá no limite dando o Máximo... Fez um bom trabalho no Slipknot o visual dele e presença de palco foram incríveis na banda... Mas não tem como comparar com o trator do Eloy, Brutal demais... Monstro 💪🤘🔥
I knew before that Jay is really sloppy when it comes to playing double bass. He finally got noticed because Eloy is a milliom times better than him. Glad he got replaced. made the rest of the band rush all the songs because of his changing Tempo. Eloy will make Slipknot better again 🤘
I would like to say that Jay was a really good drummer for SlipKnoT, talented and also with great creativity, it was a good replacement for Joey (RIP) even though Joey will be forever the best and no one will replace him, I was "happy" that Jay was keeping the same line that Joey started. That being said, I feel kinda sorry for Jay because the beast that is now blasting the drums, is eclipsing his entire carrer in SlipKnoT. Eloy is in a league of his own and in my personal opinion, one of the greatest drummers out there, and certainly, the one with the best technique, speed and heavyness in SlipKnoT. I hope that SlipKnoT keeps this line that they seem to be following, Im sure Eloy will bring some really tasty stuff, lets hope for the best 🤟
Jay is a great drummer, no doubt of it, but Eloy and Joey are in another level. There is no comparison. Beside of that, Eloy made me love Slipknot again. I hope they record some new stuff soon.
JAY IS FULL OF TRIGGER, DISSIPATOR, ETC, AND YET THE SOUND DOES NOT COME OUT SYNCHRONIZED, ELOY CASAGRANDE WITHOUT METROMETER, WITHOUT TRIGGER, WITHOUT HEATSINKS, WITHOUT SAPLES, WITHOUT EFFECTS, ONLY HIS DRUMSTICK AND HIS STRENGTH, AND THE DRUMS SOUND LIKE THE GODS
I’d bet he still uses triggers for the sound of it at live shows so it sounds nicer. They can only do one round of the song live so it’s a good tool to have.
@@13_cmi jay? yes , suicidal tendences yes
Hahahaha Jay doesn't use triggers, better report bro.
@@fan_de_ale_villarreal eres sordo ?? sabes algo de batería ?? la única batría que se escucha limpia es la de eloy
@@fan_de_ale_villarreal eres sordo== no te das cuenta la diferencia del sonido de la bateria entre eloy y jay ? jay usa trigger sampls y todo lo que tenga para la batería es lamentable que jay lo unico que necesitaba era metronomo
Main difference is eloy can do all this and that double bass with no triggers lol
I get all the praise for Eloy, but how long can he keep this up? This looks very physical.
Not being a big fan of Slipknot, I'm excited to see what Eloy does to their sound.
Honestly they do so much, I don't even know if they're playing the same song
Eloy eh insano!!!! ninguém supera ele ... nasceu pra tocar bateria!!!
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Eloy alllllll the way
Joey would be very proud of both of them.
Night and Day difference.
Eloy is the best Slipknot could afford!It's just a drum machine!! And, with all due respect to Joey and Jay, Eloy is several levels higher!
Ok. Now we have a veredict. Next contester for Eloy...
Eloy is really BEST 👍!!!! 🎉
Jay is just sloppy.
Straight outta tempo
Eloy is on a planet of his own. It's incredible. He's as tight as a drum computer and every hit is clear and loud, even his ghostnotes. Just in-sane
Eloy definitely encapsulates Joey's playing in these songs. 🤘🏼
There is a rumor that the obstetrician at the maternity hospital first saw the cardan, and only then Eloy.
粒立ちが違いますな
Profissional x amador
Eloy está num nível muito acima, não tem como comparar.
O baterista anterior era muito fraco
A tocada de bumbo do Jay é muito inconstante e confusa.
Jay rushed too much the tempo
No contest. Eloy clearly crushes it. No slight on Jay, but he’s better suited where he is now.
Jay's had the burden of having been compared by two other drummers - one when he joined the band & now after leaving the band. nonetheless he was kinda a new face & he did his time well with Slipknot
Eloy hits the drums like they owe him money.
Eloy e um alien
What a lucky bastard, Slipknot always got a great drummer
Eloy ❤
Jay is way cleaner than fraudloy but I guess that’s why he was kicked 🤷♂️
Yawn. I remember when troll bait used to be believable. Now you kids just try to say anything to elicit a response. Boring.
@@Xeroforte no one’s trolling Buddy
@@dropdead.1 Lmao