My advice? Don't listen to ANY "influencer" positive or negative until you've heard them yourself. Reviewing equipment without even putting hands on one is wild.
@@dancarthen3634 this isn’t a review. And everyone else saying it’s great without hearing it is more wild because people will take their word for it and spend the money. If anything my video should motivate people to go listen to them and make their own conclusions
Not true! What if you are an idiot, and don't have the experience as some of the guys who have been doing this for years, and also have been having open forum discussions to get them to the methodology of the processes and equipment they use. By all means, take things with a grain of salt, but truth is truth.
Now this is the Nick Spinelli that I love! So Nick, tell us all how you really feel? Lol... seriously though, even though I disagree with you here, I respect your honesty. You kept it real. Long live the EV column array speakers!!! Lol
As a wedding DJ, an owner of Maui LD Systems, and a previous owner of Evolves, I can guarantee that the LD are much more valuable speakers with better sound, clarity, and aesthetics. I have tested both systems at numerous events in the same venues, and the result is always the same.I get better overall performance from LD systems.
You make it sound a speaker can't handle mid frequencies without being a three-way. I don't think anyone is being dishonest if they like these; if we're being objective, I think people who like the sound of the evolve 50 are going to be happy with these
@@chonando1019Daryl is correct. A quality 2 way system that’s well tuned with quality drivers will stomp a lower end 3 way system anytime, anywhere. Consider how many concerts are run with 2 way, Line array systems. You think the thousands of people at these shows can’t hear the vocalists? Longtime Nick fan here but he’s not spouting all of the facts about 2 way vs 3 way speakers.
@@chonando1019Go listen to whatever system you’re interested in. Just don’t pre-judge anything based on being a 2 or 3 way system. If you’re conflicted about traditional speakers vs column array, just weigh all of the factors for YOUR use-cases. I’ve done so many speaker shoot-outs for people who loved speakers that I just wasn’t that thrilled about, but they bought them and have happily used them for years doing plenty of shows. Consider the spaces you play and the types of crowds you have. And mostly don’t judge any speakers based on specs. Seriously. DO research on Warranty and repairs for the brand you’re looking at. Read up on how the company takes care of its customers with warranty issues. Some of these companies treat their customers like crap and are very slow to get things back to the customer.
I own RCF Evox 12, which are also 2-way speakers, they sound great, I listened to the Evolves 90 at Namm, they were really bumping and sounded very clear. If I was to upgrade to a 3-way system it would be RCF, but $5500 for a top and bass not really friendly on the wallet for starting DJs.
I've ran an evolve 50m for larger crowds than one would think they would work, it does a great job. For high SPL and coverage in larger rooms, it doesn't cut it. But for most normal sized bars and restaurants, it's perfect. and these have bigger drivers and woofers, and twice the power. and they're rated for a lot more SPL, so I can't see why I wouldn't try them with 500. Though I use bigger tops and sides for my gigs. I've seen people do full shows outside with great volume with turbo sound ip3000s. They sounded great, covered South Bend well, and are a column array.
For the sake of argument, if so many people are already happy with their Evolve 50 systems, i don't see how they couldn't appreciate the upgrade. Seems like these new Evolves are such a polarizing issue. If people buy them prematurely without demo-ing them first or seeing other reviews of pros who have really tested them in the field, then that's on them. Worse case scenario they can just re-sell them and get another system. Chill out people!! 😅
You're absolutely right, 1000%!!! That was the first thing that stood out to me when they reviewed the tech specs….no true 3-way speaker setup. It’s a huge oversight for a new product release, especially when trying to compete with other brands. I own the LD Maui 28 G2, and they’re hands down some of the best-sounding, clearest speakers I’ve ever heard in a column setup. The fact that they’re 3-way with dedicated tweeter horns makes all the difference. Great video, Nick!
Not an issue at all. If the speakers can handle mid frequency range just fine, they will handle all inputs just fine (until you start pushing them). The real issue is the amount of people they "handle" - the hell they do. Running 2x 18" subs with 129SPL and 132SPL accordingly - this is barely enough for 100 people and it is missing the real sound pressure. Will probably expand with a few dual 18" subs and 4 more tops to start building a nice wall. 25kW is what I call handling 500 people where you can really feel the bass rattling your bones.
My guy, Nick. I feel your conviction on the fact that the EV system can't handle what it promises, I do. However, the point that you're trying to attack these speakers on doesn't really back your argument. Can 3-way speakers sound better than 2-way? Sure! But there are PLENTY of 2-way speakers that sound better than 3 -way variants. If you want to go down the sound quality rabbit hold with these, then do that. The point of these speakers is to be loud, not have pristine sound quality. If I were to attack these speakers would be based on how they sound at high volume levels. If I had to guess, most column array speakers suffer from a degradation of sound quality at high volume levels. Now, one speaker may be able to hold their own at a higher db than another brand, but it's going to be negligible if these type of speakers are used within their intended environment. I would guess small to medium sized weddings at best. Whereas larger crowds like school dances, large collage parties, or huge weddings would NOT be the intended application for these speakers. It all comes down to physics, these speakers cannot move enough air and have large enough drivers to keep up with higher volumes without distorting or leaving some frequencies behind. That's where tradition 12" or 15" tops and dedicated subs come in. Not only that, but you will need to project sound at a higher point in order to hit everyone's ears, which you cannot really do with column array speakers. What I would really like to see is a shootout between some of these column array speakers, maybe throw in a 12" or 15" traditional top paired with a sub as well.
Escuché a los dos, El Evolve 70 el sonido en todo sentido es muchísimo mejor que el del QSC KC12. Ambos estaban sonando al mismo tiempo en dos stand continuos en la feria y se notaba muchísimo
Why doesn’t somebody that has these new EV speakers do a side by side comparison to RCF, Mali, ETC. My ears will tell me which box sounds the best because talk is cheap.
Many DJ’s finesse the volume when they talk. This guy walks around announcing while ANOTHER DJ controls and plays his tunes. That’s his style, it works for him, that’s his method of doing weddings. One-man show DJs are at the decks pulling the volume up and down as they announce / MC so there’s no cut-through vocals to worry about. 3-way speakers typically sound great, especially as it pertains to clarity but if the Evolve 50s were good, these HAVE TO BE better. If you’re a small band with vocalists, the 2-way Evolves are likely NOT the best solution. That being said, the Evolve 70s still seem like an absolute winner. Not too big, not too heavy, and noticeably louder (by 6dB) than the workhorse Evolve 50s.
Me sitting over here with My K12.2s... 😅 some of us don't have the cash (or a trailer) for a 3 way system, but I appreciate the take! It's important to know what you're paying for, and it's also important to keep influencers in check when they may not be giving honest reviews.
@@brandonsbillings been rocking the same thing as you for years. They get the job done, but I am really eyeing the columns for their convenience factor and they seem to work better at the type of weddings I do where I don’t need the throw of point source but comps use a little extra bass
Estás equivocado en casi todo el video: el Evolve es mas lijero, los altavoces de medios cada uno de ellos tiene una guia de onda diferente a las del maui, que es buenisima, pero la de Ev esta a un paso adelante donde divide cada altavoz en 10 partes iguales para un mejor control de agudos, no tendremos esa perdida de agudos cuando la gente estar sentada cerca. Poder usar ecualizador parametrico ayuda muchísimo en producciónes serias de eventos entre otras funciones. 133 dB vs 132 te sugiero que lo creas porque ambas compañías son muy honestas en sus números y asi que el maui g44 nunca lo aplastará al Evovle70
@ Is 2db difference noticeable? But according to this study, and many other studies, 1-2db changes are not perceptible. You can change the blindtest to 3db, and it would be an easy walk in the park. According to studies, a +3db change is barely audible
I think you’re correct 80% and a little off. First of all I’m always a point source top over 2 15” sub guy. Have been since the mid 90’s. However most of my parties I could easily handle with column arrays however I’ve never bought them. I think it would greatly benefit me to buy a set and pair it with a small setup like the prime go for a 10 minutes setup. For small shit. However. I’m a turntable. Rev 7 guy and the setup time pain far outweighs the convenience aspect. As far as the columns. I heard a dj the other day use a colum array at a senior night basketball gym and the whole gym thumped. I was impressed. And it wasn’t 12” subs. I think the room dimensions and acoustics is the part you’re missing. I’ve played rooms with 200 people but the ceilings were 80 feet high and sounded like ass. I’ve Dj’d clubs with double that in a small room with low ceilings in a rectangular room and a smaller setup sounded much better. It’s all about the acoustics. The quality of the speakers, the delay like you mentioned last video and it helps if the dj and mc is good. I think the evolve 90’s can handle and perform great in a room with 500 people. Assuming half or less are on the dancefloor and the other half sitting or at the bar. Which is usually the case until the last 30 mins of the wedding party etc. just my 2 cents. I’m an RCF top and bottom guy. No homo. Just sayin. I’m willing to expand.
I agree with you about the acoustics but I still think this system isn't strong enough for a 500 person party no matter how perfect the situation is. Unless it's a sit down dinner with 500 people and you're playing smooth jazz lol
I love it. I bought it last week Wednesday. I haven't use it in a party, but I listen to it with 0 gains and a quarter volume on my phone. Man it's loud! And it's barely pushing
So, you might not understand the line array theory, but it not being 3-way doesn't mean anything until you hear it. 6 or more identical drivers sharing a baffle (or coupled baffles) work to create farther and wider HF dispersion. In fact, 8 small drivers paired up like this might be better at the LONG THROW for the HF than adding a driver and horn for the HF. The '# of people' is always a guess - what material is the floor, the walls, are the people standing or sitting, there are too many variables. Chances are, these new EV's will be great - They sounded good at the NAMM demo room, I was there. (of course, that's an 'ideal' setup) - but you may need to look into the actual working theories and known science involved with developing PA products before you just speculate that it won't be as good as another option just because that one is a 3-way system and one is not.
Appreciate you taking the time to make these videos! Also, I’m curious what vinyl record shelves/holders you have! Those are sweet and I would love to do something similar in my office space!
RCF NXL44A with RCF 8004as subs. Only a few bucks more than the evolve 90s and they will destroy pretty much everything out there. Just got a set. Happy to drive them down to NJ if you want to check them out.
You can use audio ducking or "Talkover" and completely bypass the whole issue you are arguing about; 2 way vs 3 way and clipping your speakers while making announcements and playing music at the same time. The feature is built into many DJ controllers. You should also be using EQ on your microphone channels to mitigate this as well. So your basically arguing that anyone using a 2 way system (Any 2 way tops, Evolves, Evox, Maui 5, Bose L1, and a ton of other all in one column arrays) to DJ is a moron because of this single issue you have. You have not even heard these speakers in person and are arguing something that you can only speculate. I have a set of Evolves and use them mainly as singles for ceremonies and cocktail hour speakers and they sound great, are light and portable, and sip power when running them off of inverters. I do like the sound of 2 way tops over subs better and whenever I can utilize that I do. We were recently in my audio suppliers warehouse testing out the Maui 44 G2 and when compared to the Evolve 50 and Evox 12 with out changing any settings we all thought they sounded louder but were muddy and didn't sound as clear or pleasant to the ears. After applying some EQ they brightened up a little. For smaller events/venues I will use a set of the Evolve 50, medium I use a set of EV EKX 15p over subs, large I use a set of RCF NXW 44-a over RCF 8004as subs, Extra large I rent a decent line array system from my local audio company. There are so many variables that justify when and how an audio system can be used to cover a specified amount of people. I just don't feel like your argument has much traction when there are easy workarounds for your main complaint.
You have every right to state your opinion. What one shouldn’t do is throw another person under the bus such as Brian Redd. He gave you a lot more respect by not commenting on it and saying he stays away from drama. Your very good at what you do and the videos you post but this one reminds me of Rick Webb and we know how that worked out. Maybe next time state your opinion and let the viewers figure it out for themselves by listening to other points of view without pointing out one particular individual.
YOU MY DAWG!!! I was saying the same thing… i haven’t heard them.. so i can’t argue 100% but im like why is no one talking about the Maui’s… The RCF NXLs are more expensive when u get a sub but nothing compares to them… SMH
Hey Nick, I want to start off by saying I enjoy your videos and have learned a lot. However from a science perspective and I have a reference to it, your argumentation of comparing a 2-way system to a 3 way system is in my opinion incorrect. Each speaker, transducer has a frequency response to it, I remember about 10 years ago Shure brought out a single driver in ear system that could produce more than any 4 way in ear system. Now I know speakers are different than earphones, because the main thing is the throw that’s what matters here and that’s what I think your whole argument should be. You are right about it not being able to handle 500 people and likely over promising, but it has nothing to do with being a 2 way system, rather its missing a high frequency driver and a horn that throws the clarity around, futhermore a 12 ot 15 also throws the mids further (thats basic science) compared to those 3/4 inch drivers this uses. You dont know the internal crossover points or amplification for that matter or the way the dsp is setup. Your conclusion is correct, but your argumentation is not. Frequency response, coverage patterns along with peak spl are what differentiates speakers
Just because you think these are going to be bad speakers, doesn’t mean they are. You haven’t tried them out yet so you’re opinion is irrelevant. Technology advances make a lot of things possible.
@DJ-Coma when I think of 3way the old school way it's pretty much a two way top coupled with a sub. It's plenty of cheap tops that sound terrible. I would pick the EV's over a Rockville top and sub setup
Nick, I use 10 different top cabinets. Four are 3-way and six are 2-way. All are horns, not piezoelectric, lol. I prefer 3-way as the clarity is better, cuts through more with MC work, and even brings our musical parts cleaner & clearer such as guitar. The 2-way usually end up being used for the wedding ceremony and or Dinner music. But dance is always 3-way.
You are 100% correct Nick. There is no way a two way system can compete with a three way system. Bose has tried to get away with a two way home system for years. It just does not sound as good as a three way system especially at higher volumes.
As a singer the idea you can’t sing using at line array speaker system is utter nonsense. I have used all types of systems. The EV 50s can handle 200 people. I have no doubt a pair of ev70s can handle 300-500 people. Finding some random say 1000 to legitimise your argument is setting a false premise. These are aimed at 250-500 audiences and are lighter, better looking, cheaper, louder than ALL the competition. I have no doubt I will be buying the evolve 70.
We have a tone of EV speakers ETX. EKX, ELX etc... But regarding Column array speakers Ev never was an option. RCF is killing with the NXL series because they are versatile. You can build the system as your needs. Even you can us the tops in stand alone mode for a speech for example. For AV companies RCF its a much better option.
Evolve 70 and 90 sound great!!! For a three way system I would look into QSC K Columns a better balance for all occasions. It always depends on your events but I would say evolve 70 is more than enough for a wedding. The 90 if you want to be able to produce more low end.
From our experience EV has a better life duration vs LD. We have also LD Maui column in our inventory and we are pleased by them. Anyway the best portable system remains QSC K8/K10 + KS12 and the sound is huge.
Had db Technologies ES1203 for several years. Fantastic. 132db. The real downfall of most of these brands' systems is not that they don't have a HF horn, it's that they don't have an adjustable speaker pole. Ya gotta get the tops above the crowd for them to throw. But yeah, if you're mixing a heavy metal band, you do need a HF driver.
Can we talk about the fact that the EV70/90 are both way too big heavy and bulky and defeats its purpose as a portable column array for small to mid jobs. I’m sticking with the new QSC KC12 systems that won Best of Show at NAMM 2025.
I couldn't agree more Nick. The top end Maui will wipe the floor with both of these. I have the luxury of using a pair of Maui P900's and nothing else I have ever heard comes close.
Shot out to Nick for his dj support and knowledge. The column array thing is also being pushed on us by wedding planners because of how they look. I personally have Carvin TRC 200s $1799 with 18inch sub and they have worked for years. But Nick is right. You need 3 way for speaking over music.
Honesty+ as always Nick 😂😂👍👍Guess what system I bought a month a go :-) EV took too long to deliver so I did some research on the Maui's - Having speakers already from both brands I do love the Evolves for anything up to around 100 pax or medium sized venue with 10 banquet tables - any bigger than that the 50's will struggle instead I'd usually bring in some extra 15 tops +18" Subs. The Maui 44's sound epic and crystal clear with the 3-way setup and the ingenious castor design that protects the sub controls while in transit was also a key feature that made me hand over a significant amount of dough. Any company that puts that much care into their design is worth investing in IMHO. Good work Bro ;-)
1200 people on ETX tops I love ETX line but for me pair of ETX15 + pair of ETX18 subs can cover like a crowd of 500 kids tops. 1000+ people it's a line array 3 per side at least territory.
It's taken awhile for me to come and understand when someone is claiming these stick systems will do any number over 100 , they are vastly overestimating. The only people getting "done" by these systems are standing within 5 feet of of them. Can people hear the music 50ft away? Sure. Now all of a sudden that means they can claim a system does 500 people.
Hey Nick what do you recommend for out door event speakers? I’m starting to do more outdoor events versus indoor. So looking to get something that will put out good sound for bigger out door events. Thank you!
I know they are designed differently (Spread of coverage/angles, types of drivers, etc.) Outside of that, i've always said these systems are not the same as Tops(point source) & Subs. These systems are equivalent to Just Tops. outside of the angle and area of coverage. Yes, as far as sound it is similar to a Two-way top, where the low end driver was set on the floor and the mid&highs are high, which is more efficient for bass. But the SPL numbers are still the same or less than your average 12" top. Watts only tells you how much electricity is using, SPL tells you how loud it is. i do think the form factor on all these types of speakers is very cool, however they have their place, they are not a generic solution for ALL events. If I ever decide to buy a set, im partial to the RCF one just because it is the Only system that has an adjustable stand to fly them higher if needed. with these fixed units it is hard to setup for the same. I always saw these as a perfect companion to a live musician at a small venue, not a club speaker. Great idea for cocktail hour, small corporate gigs, private home parties. I would not depend on these for All receptions or events. Im sure you can use these for far more event types than what I mentioned, however they need to be matched to the right type of event.
Hey Nick, great content bro! Please, please make a video about crs12 and particulare, how they stay in sync or not. Here is the deal, i have denon sc5000m and they go out of sync on the 4th beat. Please try to equal bpms on both crs12 and when you open the crossfader on time, how long they are in sync, or they slipping out fast?
The EV 90 have the 4inch voice coil and all around better specs than the Maui 44, $200 cheaper and same price for white. Most DJ's do not lug gear in a trailer and Dj full time, Maui 44 too big and too heavy for the average mobile DJ. why don't you do a comparison. OOPS they didn't give you demo, bad review without demo thats telling them to next time give you demo. sour grapes
I'm disappointed it took so long, but I finally got to hear a set of Maui 44's at a wedding, and I was impressed. I've always thought a 3-way system was important, and was never impressed by the clarity of Evolve 30 or 50's. They had better than expected low end for their size, but I never considered buying them for myself. It seems like the new ones are simply upsized versions. Gotta have proper tweeters, gotta have proper subs. Don't ask the mids to do either of these jobs! Thanks for your insight.
Totally agree, I even asked a similar question on Bunns video. And yeah they aren't designed for live sound, music playback sure, but anything other than that not worth the money IMO
Thanks for your perspective as always! I swooped up on the Maui's a few months ago after reading specs and watching reviews of a bunch of different array systems. I even borrowed a set of JBL's from a friend for a gig. Sure, new systems are coming out now, but my Maui's are fantastic. They sound great without breaking a sweat. I'm not trying to talk down on any other system, but again... the Maui's are great. No regrets on my investment. The gigs I've already done with them paid for themselves already.
the 3 way agrument is not the same deal in 4khz+ than it is 300hz- ..so yeah I understand your point but some drivers (even vintage) are made for it. now... SPL on paper is not everything.. thats not how it will react in real life situation. I own thoudands of speakers, do shows with over 5000 people, I'm a speaker freaker and papers are not always the real experience lol. that can be super nice, PSA1 are 5” drivers in a 700w top 15°x110° but it cuts everything in the room to the back and with a lot of comfort.. I have hundred of EVs.. love them. very effectives, but I can make a review with less then 30 events with super bad room setups and bad acoustics. lol
The point you're making has nothing todo with 3-way vs 2-way speakers. If you're going to generalize it like that, MOST 2-way speakers do sound better than 3-way speakers because 3-way speakers need more complex cross over design and face more challenges with time alignment, when done right yes 3-ways will "SOUND" better but doesn't mean it's "LOUDER". What I believe you're referring to is that the EV Evolve's are not horn-driven speakers which doesn't allow it to project as far as your typical QSC K12. To your credit, yes you're not going to want to use the Evolve outside or in a very large hall if you're audience is going to be furtur away or you have a lot of reflections (a gym). For indoor weddings, bars, most corporate events etc the Evolve 70 & 90 is still a good option because you want higher SPL in the dance floor without projecting back to far and the sound reinforcement you're going to get from that subwoofer. Your inability to talk over the music is probably because you're not leaving enough headroom on your mixer or the speaker cannot go loud enough to give you the headroom you need. The Evolve 70 can output the SAME SPL as an RCF 935A. Think about the RCF 935-A you have and I've seen you use, even tho it's a 2-way it still has a lot of DSP correction to time align the horn with the bass driver even tho they are almost perfectly aligned, it's so important that they branded it has "FiRPHASE DSP" now throw an extra speaker in there then you have 3x that work. The bottom line, only if you need to regularly project sound far should you have second thoughts about upgrading to the Evolve 70, 90. Otherwise it's not that black and white.
I vehemently disagree with your opinion. I have heard a 4 piece band with vocals through the EV EVOLVE 50M rig at a outdoor venue, and they sounded amazeballs. My wife and I heard a Jazz quartet through a EV Evolve 50M rig at another smaller outdoor venue the same day and it still killed. Every sound system will have various limitations. Too small. Too big. Too heavy, Too quiet. Too loud.... etc...etc. Whatever. Some folks like the tower style system for the esthetics, and ease of set up. The drawbacks don't affect them because their chosen system serves THEIR purpose. I actually agree with you that a 3 way point source system will achieve better fidelity. The real rub is your opinion doesn't carry very much weight because you have not heard these new Evolve 70 and 90 speakers yet.
When I heard some of this cats saying that this EVs would beat the 44s I was like this clowns are getting paid to say this. There is no way they look nice but not powerful enough to beat the 44s.
I do agree most djs who don’t work in live sound or know about live sound don’t really understand how speakers work. But to say these speakers won’t be good just because they are not 3 way. Is kinda unfair with out hearing them.. also sound is subjective to everyone. Also stating that some speaker can handle 200 or 500 people 😢isn’t correct.. it really depends on the size of the room and the dance floor your tryna cover.. i would still give these speakers a chance and listen to it before I let someone else tell me what the speakers is capable of doing. 3 way is great but more importantly the size of the tweeters and horns is even more important. Also the material of the box is important also. IMO
I would never purchase a PA based solely off of specs. You have a very good point about 2 way vs. 3 way but even with those specs in mind I still would want to hear the system first for myself. I would want to hear it with different genres of music and with someone talking over it on the mic to see how well it handles the vocals. I personally use the RCF Evox 12’s and although it’s a 2 way system I am very satisfied with the SPL and overall quality. I believe that alot of it also has to do with the amp module. But anyway this PA is ideal for small weddings and corporate shows. I would never put it on a large show with an audience over 200 people! For school events and concerts I’m brining out my dynacord cobra system. I would never ever put a small column array on these types of events and risk disappointing my customers! I’d rather charge more money and bring out big sound than be lazy and do things half ass.
@@NickSpinelli I have the 28G3, I really like them, they have fuller sound than other colum array speakers due to more mid drivers. my only complaint is the 28G3's limit on the mids and highs and not the bass, They do get loud and are clear sounding, but sometime I need a little more power. Was curious if you used the 44G2's which have a bigger amp. Love your videos!!!
The two way argument is legit! With 8 4.7" drivers per side, the highs will likely suffer in the same way as the old Bose 901 speakers that used all 4.5" drivers.
Nick, if you want a three-way system that outputs 3000 Watts consider the QSC C12 that’s a column array that you may just get to liking. Imagine what they would sound like if they came out with a 15 inch and 18 inch sub.
Some Dj Controllers have voice over mode for mic. Or you can just manually turn the music down slightly. So these 2 Way Systems are still great if your main concern is music
A lot of times when the music dips down you risk losing energy you've already built up with the crowd. Especially when you're talking into the beat drop or into a chorus or transition. @@NickSpinelli
@@NickSpinellirecently I just started dropping out the vocals and drum stems (djay pro user) when making announcements. When you control the stems with knobs it sounds super natural bringing in and out and leaves room in the mix for the mic. Still think I'm going with those new RCF or those mauis...
Nailed it!! I have used some columns for a few small events recently and the number one piece of feedback I have received was not being able to understand what was said on the mic! Granted it was Harbinger mls1000 but the events were under 80 people in small venues.
We're using column array systems like RCF-Evox12 nearly 10 years now. They are all garbage compared to traditional systems (subs/tops). We tested Evox12, Evolves and LD Systems in various weddings and parties and finally limited their use for around 30-50 peoples max. Yes, new Evolves have more power, but 500 people? LOL :D Bad marketing. With their calculation, we can cover 50.000 people with two L'acoustics KS21 subs and two A15 satelites :D
I love it when djs talk about sound like they know the science behind it. Yes, your arguments about dj needs are valid, but your opinion on how these speakers work is not backed by facts. These evolve are good under the right circumstances. I don't think they intend these to be used by deaf djs.
They are priced well beyond my price range. Besides I am quite happy with my Turbosound IP2000 and my Maui 11 g2. My crowds never go over 200-250 so I feel I'm covered.
Thanks Nick, I was kind of thinking about buying the EV90's but I already have the 44G's so..... 90% of my weddings are around 150 peps and the 44's are perfect for that. I also own 4, 18" subs and many 12' & 15" tops so I'm good. Way to pop in Nick
Sonically speaking, Ive found the Evolve 50s (x2) to be more than enough for acoustic duos with a kick drum, up to maybe 150 people. The EV's crush any other brand for musicality for live music applications. If you are DJing, I guess you dont need as much nuance' in the drivers as music is compressed/mastered etc so its going to fit into other boxes like RCF, Bose etc. But for live signals that needs a really musical response Ill take the EV's any day. You could do a 4 piece band and the vocals wont get lost in the mix, especially with the 70s and 90s.
My thoughts exactly, don't get me wrong Brian has some good videos but I was really skeptical when he said 500-1000 people. One thing people need to know with a big horn loaded speaker like RCF art 932 there's no way you're going to get that loud column array systems don't throw far . Now the QSC KC looks very interesting because it's a horn loaded speaker. But I'll always choose a 2 way speaker with sub combo over a column array system. Those column arrays are meant to throw sound wide rather then distance.
3way system is not the only factor for vocal clarity, 2 way system only means it handle de freq 2 ways it doesn`t necesarily means yo lose highs... Whats true is mixing with columns is diferent but, they do deliver diferent sound but it doesn't mean its a bad sound
you will always have more clarity and a farther throw with a 3 way system. It's science. I didn't say the evolve is gonna sound bad, just not as good as others. and that 134db will drop REAL QUICK when you're 4-6 feet away from the speaker because they won't throw far at all.
@NickSpinelli not gonna lie I use both 2 way and 3 for live band.... Rcf evox 8 for small venus and jbl PRX system for medium... I Do struggle with vocals using the evox but only when I play with a full band, when playing with acoustic setup it sounds GREAT... I was really hoping the evolve 90 fixed that problem but I'll take your word man... I will always trust a 3way to handle full bands
@@NickSpinelli I asked this exact question how many feet until the sound drops how big of a room can you do where you can hear the sound all the way in the back of the room. These are questions that I have for the evolve 90s and maybe it’s a question that Ben Stowe needs to make a video on. Because showing a picture with no actual numbers, ain’t it
I've been successfully using my same speaker system for the past 8 years. Still look and sound fantastic. Still making huge profits. I'll let the ego suckers continue to go down that path!
Ive never done a wedding of 500 people. These speakers are lighter, more compact and have a killer app. Then again I’m a singer not a DJ. I think you are just showing your RCF bias. Tbh
The other thing with any of these column arrays, if it fails you loose a top AND sub. With split tops and subs, if you have a failure, while still bad, it's no quite SO bad. And being able to do subs on sends is a real advantage, and I don’t believe you can do that with any column array. And a third thing...with these columns, your subs are ALWAYS split, which is usually the WORST way to deploy subs. At least with split subs and tops, you have the option to cluster or boundary load the subs when it's feasible. I'm not often able to do that, but OMG, when you can...and they're on aux sends...wow...just wow...
I was WAITING for you to post something haha. I won't lie, new Evolves are cool, and I'd be down to hear them, but not to buy. That 3-way factor is HUGE and something I didn't realize how amazing it was until I got my Maui 44's which I use for at least half my weddings. Clarity and sub performance continue to shine, and now having 2x RCF ART912A's and 2x ICOA 18' subs, I 'm pretty damn satisfied with my two main systems. But Nick...are we gonna talk about LD's ICOA Pro announcement with a 21' subwoofer...👀
exact combo i have been considering.....still using my old jbl prx subs w/ my 912s and want to upgrade. What subs were you using prior and how do you feel the Icoas have done in comparison?
@ I was using ELX200 18's before my ICOA 18's. ICOA's outperformed them like a dream. They have an amazing thump and tone to that thump. I haven't used them for too many weddings yet, but I'm hype to go into the next season with them. They are heavy AF though, so be ready to install casters or hit the gym if you're not already haha.
A three way system is a two way system plus a sub…a standard speaker is a two way system…I’m still curious about the new QSC 3 way system…but am not interested in the RCF two way tops that you reviewed…those look like cocktail hour speakers to me
This is a perfect example of why you should listen to speakers before giving an opinion lol. If you think the nxl14 is a cocktail speaker, you shouldn't be giving an opinion on speakers at all lol
This is common with Ev products. They are outdated with their technology and the new stuff they come up with is comparable to their old stuff, I have videos in my channel comparing ETX 15 to the RCF 945. Now I know they are in different leagues but what obvious is that EV limits too fast. Still some indoctrinated people comment saying that I didn’t take the ETX to +10 amplification, which it’s ridiculous cause they are limiting at way less than that. The manufacturer says to step back when the limit hits the solid signal, but these people still fight you saying the comparison is unfair because the ETX can go all the way to +10. Hahahhahahahahahahahhah. Incredible
No. I haven’t. Just like every other influencer claiming these speakers are amazing. Instead of telling everyone to buy them, I’m motivating people to do their research.
Are you buying the new Evolves?
Nope the new QSC kc12's maybe.
Get out of here💰🚽
@@NickSpinelli Nope, RCF NX945-A with a pair or subs for me - still waiting for your review of the 18-AX 😬
Ah NOPE
Never in a million years.
My advice? Don't listen to ANY "influencer" positive or negative until you've heard them yourself. Reviewing equipment without even putting hands on one is wild.
@@dancarthen3634 this isn’t a review. And everyone else saying it’s great without hearing it is more wild because people will take their word for it and spend the money. If anything my video should motivate people to go listen to them and make their own conclusions
Exactamente, es que ni siquiera a mi!
@@NickSpinelliyeah that’s a hell a lot of money to not know exactly what there capable of, How good are actually trying to sound 😂 fuc.
Not true! What if you are an idiot, and don't have the experience as some of the guys who have been doing this for years, and also have been having open forum discussions to get them to the methodology of the processes and equipment they use. By all means, take things with a grain of salt, but truth is truth.
@@NickSpinelli Don't back pedal! You are 100% correct. You are passionate like me and are giving out golden nuggets of information.
Now this is the Nick Spinelli that I love! So Nick, tell us all how you really feel? Lol... seriously though, even though I disagree with you here, I respect your honesty. You kept it real. Long live the EV column array speakers!!! Lol
As a wedding DJ, an owner of Maui LD Systems, and a previous owner of Evolves, I can guarantee that the LD are much more valuable speakers with better sound, clarity, and aesthetics. I have tested both systems at numerous events in the same venues, and the result is always the same.I get better overall performance from LD systems.
You make it sound a speaker can't handle mid frequencies without being a three-way.
I don't think anyone is being dishonest if they like these; if we're being objective, I think people who like the sound of the evolve 50 are going to be happy with these
Oh no, 2 DJ's I get ideas and knowledge from disagreeing 🤣😭
@@chonando1019Daryl is correct. A quality 2 way system that’s well tuned with quality drivers will stomp a lower end 3 way system anytime, anywhere. Consider how many concerts are run with 2 way, Line array systems. You think the thousands of people at these shows can’t hear the vocalists? Longtime Nick fan here but he’s not spouting all of the facts about 2 way vs 3 way speakers.
@@scottbowman4844 duly noted. So what would you say are the REAL pros and cons to 2 and 3 way systems?
@@chonando1019Go listen to whatever system you’re interested in. Just don’t pre-judge anything based on being a 2 or 3 way system. If you’re conflicted about traditional speakers vs column array, just weigh all of the factors for YOUR use-cases. I’ve done so many speaker shoot-outs for people who loved speakers that I just wasn’t that thrilled about, but they bought them and have happily used them for years doing plenty of shows. Consider the spaces you play and the types of crowds you have. And mostly don’t judge any speakers based on specs. Seriously. DO research on Warranty and repairs for the brand you’re looking at. Read up on how the company takes care of its customers with warranty issues. Some of these companies treat their customers like crap and are very slow to get things back to the customer.
@@chonando1019you should see Joe Bunns video at NAMM today. His video is the reason why I preordered the 90’s
They’re Not Even Out…. 😂😂😂. Hater’s Gonna Hate. There’s a place for these on any DJ’s ARSENAL of Speakers. Chill 🤘🏼🍺🤘🏼
Aw shit Nick woke up and chose violence today😂
Hahahahaha!
I own RCF Evox 12, which are also 2-way speakers, they sound great, I listened to the Evolves 90 at Namm, they were really bumping and sounded very clear. If I was to upgrade to a 3-way system it would be RCF, but $5500 for a top and bass not really friendly on the wallet for starting DJs.
EVERYONE knows that if you use Virtual DJ you can use any column speaker for 1000 people
666 people to be exact with Virtual DJ
Nooooo thats only if you pair both with a gig bar
Smh lol
Low blow.
😂😂😂
Damn bro!!! You out there crushing all our hopes and dreams and saving our credit cards!!! Someone should make you a costume!!! Captain save a DJ!!!
I've ran an evolve 50m for larger crowds than one would think they would work, it does a great job. For high SPL and coverage in larger rooms, it doesn't cut it. But for most normal sized bars and restaurants, it's perfect. and these have bigger drivers and woofers, and twice the power. and they're rated for a lot more SPL, so I can't see why I wouldn't try them with 500. Though I use bigger tops and sides for my gigs. I've seen people do full shows outside with great volume with turbo sound ip3000s. They sounded great, covered South Bend well, and are a column array.
For the sake of argument, if so many people are already happy with their Evolve 50 systems, i don't see how they couldn't appreciate the upgrade. Seems like these new Evolves are such a polarizing issue. If people buy them prematurely without demo-ing them first or seeing other reviews of pros who have really tested them in the field, then that's on them. Worse case scenario they can just re-sell them and get another system. Chill out people!! 😅
I agree, if you use the Evolve 50s and whole heartedly love them, then of course you'll love the new ones.
You're absolutely right, 1000%!!! That was the first thing that stood out to me when they reviewed the tech specs….no true 3-way speaker setup. It’s a huge oversight for a new product release, especially when trying to compete with other brands. I own the LD Maui 28 G2, and they’re hands down some of the best-sounding, clearest speakers I’ve ever heard in a column setup. The fact that they’re 3-way with dedicated tweeter horns makes all the difference. Great video, Nick!
Now I own the LD Maui G3 - My only go to for wedding...Clear like no other and loud even at outdoor wedding...
Not an issue at all. If the speakers can handle mid frequency range just fine, they will handle all inputs just fine (until you start pushing them).
The real issue is the amount of people they "handle" - the hell they do.
Running 2x 18" subs with 129SPL and 132SPL accordingly - this is barely enough for 100 people and it is missing the real sound pressure.
Will probably expand with a few dual 18" subs and 4 more tops to start building a nice wall. 25kW is what I call handling 500 people where you can really feel the bass rattling your bones.
Damn you are coming for heads!!! This is like old school RUclips. 😅😂😂😂
Agreed. My Bassboss 18’s and RCF tops will eat them for lunch. And I don’t believe you can do subs in sends with these. That’s a deal breaker.
Which BASSBOSS sub do you use? The DJ18s or the SSP118 ??
@ SSP118 x 2 and BB15 x 1 for smaller events.
what RCF tops are you crowning the bassboss with?
@ 932A
Get DV12s and your good
My guy, Nick. I feel your conviction on the fact that the EV system can't handle what it promises, I do. However, the point that you're trying to attack these speakers on doesn't really back your argument. Can 3-way speakers sound better than 2-way? Sure! But there are PLENTY of 2-way speakers that sound better than 3 -way variants. If you want to go down the sound quality rabbit hold with these, then do that. The point of these speakers is to be loud, not have pristine sound quality.
If I were to attack these speakers would be based on how they sound at high volume levels. If I had to guess, most column array speakers suffer from a degradation of sound quality at high volume levels. Now, one speaker may be able to hold their own at a higher db than another brand, but it's going to be negligible if these type of speakers are used within their intended environment. I would guess small to medium sized weddings at best. Whereas larger crowds like school dances, large collage parties, or huge weddings would NOT be the intended application for these speakers. It all comes down to physics, these speakers cannot move enough air and have large enough drivers to keep up with higher volumes without distorting or leaving some frequencies behind. That's where tradition 12" or 15" tops and dedicated subs come in. Not only that, but you will need to project sound at a higher point in order to hit everyone's ears, which you cannot really do with column array speakers.
What I would really like to see is a shootout between some of these column array speakers, maybe throw in a 12" or 15" traditional top paired with a sub as well.
It's like you completely ignored the video.
Escuché a los dos, El Evolve 70 el sonido en todo sentido es muchísimo mejor que el del QSC KC12. Ambos estaban sonando al mismo tiempo en dos stand continuos en la feria y se notaba muchísimo
Why doesn’t somebody that has these new EV speakers do a side by side comparison to RCF, Mali, ETC. My ears will tell me which box sounds the best because talk is cheap.
@@paulparrinello2526 I will do this once I get ahold of a set
We do this at harvest of sound boston every year. You should come out.
@@NickSpinelli sounds great! I think EV should send you a free set.
Many DJ’s finesse the volume when they talk. This guy walks around announcing while ANOTHER DJ controls and plays his tunes. That’s his style, it works for him, that’s his method of doing weddings. One-man show DJs are at the decks pulling the volume up and down as they announce / MC so there’s no cut-through vocals to worry about. 3-way speakers typically sound great, especially as it pertains to clarity but if the Evolve 50s were good, these HAVE TO BE better. If you’re a small band with vocalists, the 2-way Evolves are likely NOT the best solution.
That being said, the Evolve 70s still seem like an absolute winner. Not too big, not too heavy, and noticeably louder (by 6dB) than the workhorse Evolve 50s.
Me sitting over here with My K12.2s... 😅 some of us don't have the cash (or a trailer) for a 3 way system, but I appreciate the take! It's important to know what you're paying for, and it's also important to keep influencers in check when they may not be giving honest reviews.
The Maui 28g3 and 44g are 3-way and the new QSC kc12. In fact, their sales may just go up because of this video lol
@@eternalsoundschicago I was literally just looking at the qsc kc12 because of this video
@ you missed what I said I had -- I have k12.2, so they're just tops.
@@brandonsbillings been rocking the same thing as you for years. They get the job done, but I am really eyeing the columns for their convenience factor and they seem to work better at the type of weddings I do where I don’t need the throw of point source but comps use a little extra bass
Estás equivocado en casi todo el video: el Evolve es mas lijero, los altavoces de medios cada uno de ellos tiene una guia de onda diferente a las del maui, que es buenisima, pero la de Ev esta a un paso adelante donde divide cada altavoz en 10 partes iguales para un mejor control de agudos, no tendremos esa perdida de agudos cuando la gente estar sentada cerca. Poder usar ecualizador parametrico ayuda muchísimo en producciónes serias de eventos entre otras funciones. 133 dB vs 132 te sugiero que lo creas porque ambas compañías son muy honestas en sus números y asi que el maui g44 nunca lo aplastará al Evovle70
I wouldn’t call 1 db crushing anything….thats not even an audible difference.
@jeremyparker6392 no es lo mismo 100 vs 101, que 133 vs 134, a ese nivel la diferencia se nota y mucho
@
Is 2db difference noticeable?
But according to this study, and many other studies, 1-2db changes are not perceptible. You can change the blindtest to 3db, and it would be an easy walk in the park. According to studies, a +3db change is barely audible
@@jeremyparker6392 no es lo mismo 1 db a bajo volumen que a alto volumen. No se necesitan estudios para saberlo
@@victorccordoba dis are not linear, so that actually is a pretty big difference!
I think you’re correct 80% and a little off. First of all I’m always a point source top over 2 15” sub guy. Have been since the mid 90’s. However most of my parties I could easily handle with column arrays however I’ve never bought them. I think it would greatly benefit me to buy a set and pair it with a small setup like the prime go for a 10 minutes setup. For small shit. However. I’m a turntable. Rev 7 guy and the setup time pain far outweighs the convenience aspect. As far as the columns. I heard a dj the other day use a colum array at a senior night basketball gym and the whole gym thumped. I was impressed. And it wasn’t 12” subs. I think the room dimensions and acoustics is the part you’re missing. I’ve played rooms with 200 people but the ceilings were 80 feet high and sounded like ass. I’ve Dj’d clubs with double that in a small room with low ceilings in a rectangular room and a smaller setup sounded much better. It’s all about the acoustics. The quality of the speakers, the delay like you mentioned last video and it helps if the dj and mc is good. I think the evolve 90’s can handle and perform great in a room with 500 people. Assuming half or less are on the dancefloor and the other half sitting or at the bar. Which is usually the case until the last 30 mins of the wedding party etc.
just my 2 cents. I’m an RCF top and bottom guy. No homo. Just sayin. I’m willing to expand.
I often wonder about how many people vs the size of a venue.
I agree with you about the acoustics but I still think this system isn't strong enough for a 500 person party no matter how perfect the situation is. Unless it's a sit down dinner with 500 people and you're playing smooth jazz lol
@@NickSpinelli would take some serious throw to handle 500 ppl......the 18 subs can tho
I’ve hate puny speakers. I don’t use them. Never had never will since the late 1970’s.
What do you think about Qsc kc12’s?
I love it. I bought it last week Wednesday. I haven't use it in a party, but I listen to it with 0 gains and a quarter volume on my phone. Man it's loud! And it's barely pushing
They’re 3 way so I bet Nick likes them more than the EV’s 😂
I like the design but they should’ve made a 15 inch version, and I still need to hear them
So, you might not understand the line array theory, but it not being 3-way doesn't mean anything until you hear it. 6 or more identical drivers sharing a baffle (or coupled baffles) work to create farther and wider HF dispersion. In fact, 8 small drivers paired up like this might be better at the LONG THROW for the HF than adding a driver and horn for the HF.
The '# of people' is always a guess - what material is the floor, the walls, are the people standing or sitting, there are too many variables.
Chances are, these new EV's will be great - They sounded good at the NAMM demo room, I was there. (of course, that's an 'ideal' setup) - but you may need to look into the actual working theories and known science involved with developing PA products before you just speculate that it won't be as good as another option just because that one is a 3-way system and one is not.
Thankyou Nick. The only guy cutting through all the sponsored bullshit with REAL TALK
Appreciate you taking the time to make these videos!
Also, I’m curious what vinyl record shelves/holders you have! Those are sweet and I would love to do something similar in my office space!
RCF NXL44A with RCF 8004as subs. Only a few bucks more than the evolve 90s and they will destroy pretty much everything out there.
Just got a set. Happy to drive them down to NJ if you want to check them out.
Well done Nick! There’s only one drawback to both systems… too many mid/high drivers creates a lot of comb filtering!!
You can use audio ducking or "Talkover" and completely bypass the whole issue you are arguing about; 2 way vs 3 way and clipping your speakers while making announcements and playing music at the same time. The feature is built into many DJ controllers. You should also be using EQ on your microphone channels to mitigate this as well. So your basically arguing that anyone using a 2 way system (Any 2 way tops, Evolves, Evox, Maui 5, Bose L1, and a ton of other all in one column arrays) to DJ is a moron because of this single issue you have. You have not even heard these speakers in person and are arguing something that you can only speculate. I have a set of Evolves and use them mainly as singles for ceremonies and cocktail hour speakers and they sound great, are light and portable, and sip power when running them off of inverters. I do like the sound of 2 way tops over subs better and whenever I can utilize that I do. We were recently in my audio suppliers warehouse testing out the Maui 44 G2 and when compared to the Evolve 50 and Evox 12 with out changing any settings we all thought they sounded louder but were muddy and didn't sound as clear or pleasant to the ears. After applying some EQ they brightened up a little. For smaller events/venues I will use a set of the Evolve 50, medium I use a set of EV EKX 15p over subs, large I use a set of RCF NXW 44-a over RCF 8004as subs, Extra large I rent a decent line array system from my local audio company. There are so many variables that justify when and how an audio system can be used to cover a specified amount of people. I just don't feel like your argument has much traction when there are easy workarounds for your main complaint.
Amen! This is why I still use 15” RCF tops and 18” subs…. I need that pressure! 🎉
You have every right to state your opinion. What one shouldn’t do is throw another person under the bus such as Brian Redd. He gave you a lot more respect by not commenting on it and saying he stays away from drama. Your very good at what you do and the videos you post but this one reminds me of Rick Webb and we know how that worked out. Maybe next time state your opinion and let the viewers figure it out for themselves by listening to other points of view without pointing out one particular individual.
YOU MY DAWG!!! I was saying the same thing… i haven’t heard them.. so i can’t argue 100% but im like why is no one talking about the Maui’s… The RCF NXLs are more expensive when u get a sub but nothing compares to them… SMH
Hey Nick,
I want to start off by saying I enjoy your videos and have learned a lot. However from a science perspective and I have a reference to it, your argumentation of comparing a 2-way system to a 3 way system is in my opinion incorrect.
Each speaker, transducer has a frequency response to it, I remember about 10 years ago Shure brought out a single driver in ear system that could produce more than any 4 way in ear system. Now I know speakers are different than earphones, because the main thing is the throw that’s what matters here and that’s what I think your whole argument should be. You are right about it not being able to handle 500 people and likely over promising, but it has nothing to do with being a 2 way system, rather its missing a high frequency driver and a horn that throws the clarity around, futhermore a 12 ot 15 also throws the mids further (thats basic science) compared to those 3/4 inch drivers this uses.
You dont know the internal crossover points or amplification for that matter or the way the dsp is setup.
Your conclusion is correct, but your argumentation is not.
Frequency response, coverage patterns along with peak spl are what differentiates speakers
Just because you think these are going to be bad speakers, doesn’t mean they are. You haven’t tried them out yet so you’re opinion is irrelevant. Technology advances make a lot of things possible.
I've heard the 50s at larger events to me they sound good better than cheaper 3ways for sure. Sound quality over being super loud anyday imo
@@Furybeatsgme just curious, what’s an example of a cheaper 3 way here?
@DJ-Coma when I think of 3way the old school way it's pretty much a two way top coupled with a sub. It's plenty of cheap tops that sound terrible. I would pick the EV's over a Rockville top and sub setup
Nick, I use 10 different top cabinets. Four are 3-way and six are 2-way. All are horns, not piezoelectric, lol. I prefer 3-way as the clarity is better, cuts through more with MC work, and even brings our musical parts cleaner & clearer such as guitar. The 2-way usually end up being used for the wedding ceremony and or Dinner music. But dance is always 3-way.
You are 100% correct Nick. There is no way a two way system can compete with a three way system. Bose has tried to get away with a two way home system for years. It just does not sound as good as a three way system especially at higher volumes.
there is no point arguing about a speaker we have not heard yet...
Hey Nick what are your thoughts on the qsc kC12?
Haven’t heard them yet
As a singer the idea you can’t sing using at line array speaker system is utter nonsense. I have used all types of systems. The EV 50s can handle 200 people. I have no doubt a pair of ev70s can handle 300-500 people. Finding some random say 1000 to legitimise your argument is setting a false premise. These are aimed at 250-500 audiences and are lighter, better looking, cheaper, louder than ALL the competition. I have no doubt I will be buying the evolve 70.
We have a tone of EV speakers ETX. EKX, ELX etc... But regarding Column array speakers Ev never was an option. RCF is killing with the NXL series because they are versatile. You can build the system as your needs. Even you can us the tops in stand alone mode for a speech for example. For AV companies RCF its a much better option.
@nickspinelli is the evolve 50 better than? I was looking into column arrays. Would the new Evolve 70 or 90 good fpr live muscians and outdoors?
Evolve 70 and 90 sound great!!! For a three way system I would look into QSC K Columns a better balance for all occasions.
It always depends on your events but I would say evolve 70 is more than enough for a wedding. The 90 if you want to be able to produce more low end.
From our experience EV has a better life duration vs LD. We have also LD Maui column in our inventory and we are pleased by them. Anyway the best portable system remains QSC K8/K10 + KS12 and the sound is huge.
You ae 100% correct. I am thinking on getting the new QSC column. What do you think? It is a 3 way.
Had db Technologies ES1203 for several years. Fantastic. 132db. The real downfall of most of these brands' systems is not that they don't have a HF horn, it's that they don't have an adjustable speaker pole. Ya gotta get the tops above the crowd for them to throw. But yeah, if you're mixing a heavy metal band, you do need a HF driver.
Can we talk about the fact that the EV70/90 are both way too big heavy and bulky and defeats its purpose as a portable column array for small to mid jobs. I’m sticking with the new QSC KC12 systems that won Best of Show at NAMM 2025.
Six to nine months from now, watch the influencers selling the comped system they hyped via Stories.
OH SNAP! Shots fired! This is gonna get good. Where's my popcorn?
I was thinking the same thing especially with Brian LOL
I couldn't agree more Nick. The top end Maui will wipe the floor with both of these. I have the luxury of using a pair of Maui P900's and nothing else I have ever heard comes close.
Shot out to Nick for his dj support and knowledge. The column array thing is also being pushed on us by wedding planners because of how they look. I personally have Carvin TRC 200s $1799 with 18inch sub and they have worked for years. But Nick is right. You need 3 way for speaking over music.
Im gonna buy them because everybody else is saying they’re fire. One person calls it a horse, who cares? Three people? I’m buying a saddle, baby!!
yeeeehawwww
@@NickSpinelli ....These so called new EVs make me wanna Word Play Pony with Sucker DJ
Honesty+ as always Nick 😂😂👍👍Guess what system I bought a month a go :-) EV took too long to deliver so I did some research on the Maui's - Having speakers already from both brands I do love the Evolves for anything up to around 100 pax or medium sized venue with 10 banquet tables - any bigger than that the 50's will struggle instead I'd usually bring in some extra 15 tops +18" Subs. The Maui 44's sound epic and crystal clear with the 3-way setup and the ingenious castor design that protects the sub controls while in transit was also a key feature that made me hand over a significant amount of dough. Any company that puts that much care into their design is worth investing in IMHO. Good work Bro ;-)
A real Dj dont use "church speakers", a real Dj use 18 subwoofers and 15 tops...and let the column arrays for the priest!
1200 people on ETX tops I love ETX line but for me pair of ETX15 + pair of ETX18 subs can cover like a crowd of 500 kids tops. 1000+ people it's a line array 3 per side at least territory.
It's taken awhile for me to come and understand when someone is claiming these stick systems will do any number over 100 , they are vastly overestimating. The only people getting "done" by these systems are standing within 5 feet of of them. Can people hear the music 50ft away? Sure. Now all of a sudden that means they can claim a system does 500 people.
I have a question.....for information purposes. What are your thoughts about Bose L1 Pro32? Do those fall into the same category as a 2-way system?
At least get a demo first before you shit on it. That's all I am saying.
Hey Nick what do you recommend for out door event speakers? I’m starting to do more outdoor events versus indoor. So looking to get something that will put out good sound for bigger out door events. Thank you!
I know they are designed differently (Spread of coverage/angles, types of drivers, etc.) Outside of that, i've always said these systems are not the same as Tops(point source) & Subs. These systems are equivalent to Just Tops. outside of the angle and area of coverage. Yes, as far as sound it is similar to a Two-way top, where the low end driver was set on the floor and the mid&highs are high, which is more efficient for bass. But the SPL numbers are still the same or less than your average 12" top. Watts only tells you how much electricity is using, SPL tells you how loud it is. i do think the form factor on all these types of speakers is very cool, however they have their place, they are not a generic solution for ALL events. If I ever decide to buy a set, im partial to the RCF one just because it is the Only system that has an adjustable stand to fly them higher if needed. with these fixed units it is hard to setup for the same. I always saw these as a perfect companion to a live musician at a small venue, not a club speaker. Great idea for cocktail hour, small corporate gigs, private home parties. I would not depend on these for All receptions or events. Im sure you can use these for far more event types than what I mentioned, however they need to be matched to the right type of event.
Hey Nick, great content bro! Please, please make a video about crs12 and particulare, how they stay in sync or not. Here is the deal, i have denon sc5000m and they go out of sync on the 4th beat. Please try to equal bpms on both crs12 and when you open the crossfader on time, how long they are in sync, or they slipping out fast?
The EV 90 have the 4inch voice coil and all around better specs than the Maui 44, $200 cheaper and same price for white. Most DJ's do not lug gear in a trailer and Dj full time, Maui 44 too big and too heavy for the average mobile DJ. why don't you do a comparison. OOPS they didn't give you demo, bad review without demo thats telling them to next time give you demo. sour grapes
I'm disappointed it took so long, but I finally got to hear a set of Maui 44's at a wedding, and I was impressed. I've always thought a 3-way system was important, and was never impressed by the clarity of Evolve 30 or 50's. They had better than expected low end for their size, but I never considered buying them for myself. It seems like the new ones are simply upsized versions. Gotta have proper tweeters, gotta have proper subs. Don't ask the mids to do either of these jobs! Thanks for your insight.
Totally agree, I even asked a similar question on Bunns video. And yeah they aren't designed for live sound, music playback sure, but anything other than that not worth the money IMO
Thanks for your perspective as always! I swooped up on the Maui's a few months ago after reading specs and watching reviews of a bunch of different array systems. I even borrowed a set of JBL's from a friend for a gig. Sure, new systems are coming out now, but my Maui's are fantastic. They sound great without breaking a sweat. I'm not trying to talk down on any other system, but again... the Maui's are great. No regrets on my investment. The gigs I've already done with them paid for themselves already.
the 3 way agrument is not the same deal in 4khz+ than it is 300hz- ..so yeah I understand your point but some drivers (even vintage) are made for it.
now... SPL on paper is not everything.. thats not how it will react in real life situation.
I own thoudands of speakers, do shows with over 5000 people, I'm a speaker freaker and papers are not always the real experience lol.
that can be super nice, PSA1 are 5” drivers in a 700w top 15°x110° but it cuts everything in the room to the back and with a lot of comfort..
I have hundred of EVs.. love them. very effectives, but I can make a review with less then 30 events with super bad room setups and bad acoustics. lol
So I have QSC K112 subs and K12.2 tops. Is this a 3 way setup? Or does the upper cabinet have to be a 3 way?
The point you're making has nothing todo with 3-way vs 2-way speakers. If you're going to generalize it like that, MOST 2-way speakers do sound better than 3-way speakers because 3-way speakers need more complex cross over design and face more challenges with time alignment, when done right yes 3-ways will "SOUND" better but doesn't mean it's "LOUDER".
What I believe you're referring to is that the EV Evolve's are not horn-driven speakers which doesn't allow it to project as far as your typical QSC K12. To your credit, yes you're not going to want to use the Evolve outside or in a very large hall if you're audience is going to be furtur away or you have a lot of reflections (a gym). For indoor weddings, bars, most corporate events etc the Evolve 70 & 90 is still a good option because you want higher SPL in the dance floor without projecting back to far and the sound reinforcement you're going to get from that subwoofer.
Your inability to talk over the music is probably because you're not leaving enough headroom on your mixer or the speaker cannot go loud enough to give you the headroom you need. The Evolve 70 can output the SAME SPL as an RCF 935A. Think about the RCF 935-A you have and I've seen you use, even tho it's a 2-way it still has a lot of DSP correction to time align the horn with the bass driver even tho they are almost perfectly aligned, it's so important that they branded it has "FiRPHASE DSP" now throw an extra speaker in there then you have 3x that work.
The bottom line, only if you need to regularly project sound far should you have second thoughts about upgrading to the Evolve 70, 90. Otherwise it's not that black and white.
I vehemently disagree with your opinion. I have heard a 4 piece band with vocals through the EV EVOLVE 50M rig at a outdoor venue, and they sounded amazeballs. My wife and I heard a Jazz quartet through a EV Evolve 50M rig at another smaller outdoor venue the same day and it still killed. Every sound system will have various limitations. Too small. Too big. Too heavy, Too quiet. Too loud.... etc...etc. Whatever. Some folks like the tower style system for the esthetics, and ease of set up. The drawbacks don't affect them because their chosen system serves THEIR purpose. I actually agree with you that a 3 way point source system will achieve better fidelity. The real rub is your opinion doesn't carry very much weight because you have not heard these new Evolve 70 and 90 speakers yet.
What do you think about the older turbosound ip3000 , it's has a 3 way setup
When I heard some of this cats saying that this EVs would beat the 44s I was like this clowns are getting paid to say this. There is no way they look nice but not powerful enough to beat the 44s.
I do agree most djs who don’t work in live sound or know about live sound don’t really understand how speakers work. But to say these speakers won’t be good just because they are not 3 way. Is kinda unfair with out hearing them.. also sound is subjective to everyone. Also stating that some speaker can handle 200 or 500 people 😢isn’t correct.. it really depends on the size of the room and the dance floor your tryna cover.. i would still give these speakers a chance and listen to it before I let someone else tell me what the speakers is capable of doing. 3 way is great but more importantly the size of the tweeters and horns is even more important. Also the material of the box is important also. IMO
I would never purchase a PA based solely off of specs. You have a very good point about 2 way vs. 3 way but even with those specs in mind I still would want to hear the system first for myself. I would want to hear it with different genres of music and with someone talking over it on the mic to see how well it handles the vocals. I personally use the RCF Evox 12’s and although it’s a 2 way system I am very satisfied with the SPL and overall quality. I believe that alot of it also has to do with the amp module. But anyway this PA is ideal for small weddings and corporate shows. I would never put it on a large show with an audience over 200 people! For school events and concerts I’m brining out my dynacord cobra system. I would never ever put a small column array on these types of events and risk disappointing my customers! I’d rather charge more money and bring out big sound than be lazy and do things half ass.
Have you tried them though?
Hey Nick, Have you tried the LD Maui G328 or G244?
@@JPmixet I have not, how are they?
@@NickSpinelli I have the 28G3, I really like them, they have fuller sound than other colum array speakers due to more mid drivers. my only complaint is the 28G3's limit on the mids and highs and not the bass, They do get loud and are clear sounding, but sometime I need a little more power. Was curious if you used the 44G2's which have a bigger amp. Love your videos!!!
The two way argument is legit! With 8 4.7" drivers per side, the highs will likely suffer in the same way as the old Bose 901 speakers that used all 4.5" drivers.
Nick, if you want a three-way system that outputs 3000 Watts consider the QSC C12 that’s a column array that you may just get to liking. Imagine what they would sound like if they came out with a 15 inch and 18 inch sub.
My QSC K12.2 quit during events. Hard pass here.
Some Dj Controllers have voice over mode for mic. Or you can just manually turn the music down slightly. So these 2 Way Systems are still great if your main concern is music
Yeah I mean you're right but I'm just not a fan of my music dipping every time I talk
@@NickSpinelli I hear you bro, but I don't mind personally lol. I do respect your input and I hope DJs will sound test these before buying.
A lot of times when the music dips down you risk losing energy you've already built up with the crowd. Especially when you're talking into the beat drop or into a chorus or transition. @@NickSpinelli
@@NickSpinellirecently I just started dropping out the vocals and drum stems (djay pro user) when making announcements. When you control the stems with knobs it sounds super natural bringing in and out and leaves room in the mix for the mic. Still think I'm going with those new RCF or those mauis...
Nailed it!! I have used some columns for a few small events recently and the number one piece of feedback I have received was not being able to understand what was said on the mic! Granted it was Harbinger mls1000 but the events were under 80 people in small venues.
We're using column array systems like RCF-Evox12 nearly 10 years now. They are all garbage compared to traditional systems (subs/tops). We tested Evox12, Evolves and LD Systems in various weddings and parties and finally limited their use for around 30-50 peoples max. Yes, new Evolves have more power, but 500 people? LOL :D Bad marketing. With their calculation, we can cover 50.000 people with two L'acoustics KS21 subs and two A15 satelites :D
I love it when djs talk about sound like they know the science behind it. Yes, your arguments about dj needs are valid, but your opinion on how these speakers work is not backed by facts. These evolve are good under the right circumstances. I don't think they intend these to be used by deaf djs.
They are priced well beyond my price range. Besides I am quite happy with my Turbosound IP2000 and my Maui 11 g2. My crowds never go over 200-250 so I feel I'm covered.
Thanks Nick, I was kind of thinking about buying the EV90's but I already have the 44G's so..... 90% of my weddings are around 150 peps and the 44's are perfect for that. I also own 4, 18" subs and many 12' & 15" tops so I'm good. Way to pop in Nick
Sonically speaking, Ive found the Evolve 50s (x2) to be more than enough for acoustic duos with a kick drum, up to maybe 150 people.
The EV's crush any other brand for musicality for live music applications. If you are DJing, I guess you dont need as much nuance' in the drivers as music is compressed/mastered etc so its going to fit into other boxes like RCF, Bose etc.
But for live signals that needs a really musical response Ill take the EV's any day. You could do a 4 piece band and the vocals wont get lost in the mix, especially with the 70s and 90s.
WoW... this dude went IN! Not knocking you, real-world reviewers will have to see.
My thoughts exactly, don't get me wrong Brian has some good videos but I was really skeptical when he said 500-1000 people. One thing people need to know with a big horn loaded speaker like RCF art 932 there's no way you're going to get that loud column array systems don't throw far . Now the QSC KC looks very interesting because it's a horn loaded speaker. But I'll always choose a 2 way speaker with sub combo over a column array system. Those column arrays are meant to throw sound wide rather then distance.
3way system is not the only factor for vocal clarity, 2 way system only means it handle de freq 2 ways it doesn`t necesarily means yo lose highs... Whats true is mixing with columns is diferent but, they do deliver diferent sound but it doesn't mean its a bad sound
you will always have more clarity and a farther throw with a 3 way system. It's science. I didn't say the evolve is gonna sound bad, just not as good as others. and that 134db will drop REAL QUICK when you're 4-6 feet away from the speaker because they won't throw far at all.
@NickSpinelli not gonna lie I use both 2 way and 3 for live band....
Rcf evox 8 for small venus and jbl PRX system for medium... I Do struggle with vocals using the evox but only when I play with a full band, when playing with acoustic setup it sounds GREAT...
I was really hoping the evolve 90 fixed that problem but I'll take your word man...
I will always trust a 3way to handle full bands
@@NickSpinelli I asked this exact question how many feet until the sound drops how big of a room can you do where you can hear the sound all the way in the back of the room.
These are questions that I have for the evolve 90s and maybe it’s a question that Ben Stowe needs to make a video on.
Because showing a picture with no actual numbers, ain’t it
I've been successfully using my same speaker system for the past 8 years. Still look and sound fantastic. Still making huge profits. I'll let the ego suckers continue to go down that path!
In Italy a db technology es1002 cost 1100 euro and it's louder than those column
This review is just NOISE. Useless noise. You're reviewing a speaker you haven't heard yet. Are you that desperate for views?
Ive never done a wedding of 500 people. These speakers are lighter, more compact and have a killer app. Then again I’m a singer not a DJ. I think you are just showing your RCF bias. Tbh
The other thing with any of these column arrays, if it fails you loose a top AND sub. With split tops and subs, if you have a failure, while still bad, it's no quite SO bad. And being able to do subs on sends is a real advantage, and I don’t believe you can do that with any column array. And a third thing...with these columns, your subs are ALWAYS split, which is usually the WORST way to deploy subs. At least with split subs and tops, you have the option to cluster or boundary load the subs when it's feasible. I'm not often able to do that, but OMG, when you can...and they're on aux sends...wow...just wow...
I was WAITING for you to post something haha. I won't lie, new Evolves are cool, and I'd be down to hear them, but not to buy. That 3-way factor is HUGE and something I didn't realize how amazing it was until I got my Maui 44's which I use for at least half my weddings. Clarity and sub performance continue to shine, and now having 2x RCF ART912A's and 2x ICOA 18' subs, I 'm pretty damn satisfied with my two main systems.
But Nick...are we gonna talk about LD's ICOA Pro announcement with a 21' subwoofer...👀
That's a great speaker combo!
exact combo i have been considering.....still using my old jbl prx subs w/ my 912s and want to upgrade. What subs were you using prior and how do you feel the Icoas have done in comparison?
@ I was using ELX200 18's before my ICOA 18's. ICOA's outperformed them like a dream. They have an amazing thump and tone to that thump. I haven't used them for too many weddings yet, but I'm hype to go into the next season with them.
They are heavy AF though, so be ready to install casters or hit the gym if you're not already haha.
Nick thats whats up keeping it Real …..What do u think about QSC KC12 ?
A three way system is a two way system plus a sub…a standard speaker is a two way system…I’m still curious about the new QSC 3 way system…but am not interested in the RCF two way tops that you reviewed…those look like cocktail hour speakers to me
lol you should go listen to them somewhere and then tell me they're cocktail hour speakers
This is a perfect example of why you should listen to speakers before giving an opinion lol. If you think the nxl14 is a cocktail speaker, you shouldn't be giving an opinion on speakers at all lol
@@Djtylerwallacehang on. Nicks giving his opinion without listening to the EV70/90 🤷
HK Audio POLAR 12 is a 3-way speaker system what do you think about them ?
This is common with Ev products. They are outdated with their technology and the new stuff they come up with is comparable to their old stuff, I have videos in my channel comparing ETX 15 to the RCF 945. Now I know they are in different leagues but what obvious is that EV limits too fast. Still some indoctrinated people comment saying that I didn’t take the ETX to +10 amplification, which it’s ridiculous cause they are limiting at way less than that. The manufacturer says to step back when the limit hits the solid signal, but these people still fight you saying the comparison is unfair because the ETX can go all the way to +10. Hahahhahahahahahahahhah. Incredible
I have one question. Have you heard these speakers yet?
No. I haven’t. Just like every other influencer claiming these speakers are amazing. Instead of telling everyone to buy them, I’m motivating people to do their research.