9:21 The ironic thing is that the penalties in those two races stemmed from a slow pit stop in Miami and an engine issue in Canada 11:38 He also seemed very happy after Hungary on the post-race radio, the day before he announced he was leaving the team
@@TommoMcCluskey Yeah my bad, I misremembered. I just went back to it and it was actually how invested he was in teams battle for P4 in the constructors, despite probably knowing then that he was gonna leave them at the end of the year anyway, which was surprising.
Corsica used to be part of the kingdom of Genoa before it became French. Many Corsicans have an Italian surname, including the most famous Corsican Napoleon. He was born Napoleon Buonaparte, before changing his last name to Bonaparte.
They were half hearted in trying to keep Alonso and with Piastri, and they weren’t ok with that and fairly so. If they had tried as hard with them as they have with Ocon they’d have kept one of them
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Must agree with you Mate....Tommo has put himself at the forefront of all F1 Analysts on RUclips. He is the very best in this highly competitive genre of RUclips content!!!
Tommo is one of the few people who is actually fair towards everyone. His opinions are always well thought out and justified. Another great video Tommo! My favorite channel to watch for F1!
Davide Brivio is such an animated man. We should actually get some of him at the paddock. Look up a few motogp races from 2020 where Suzuki won the championship and you'll see some golden clips 😂
piastrophe and piastro are the two best words that anyone has used to sum up this situation and i don't think there is any possible argument against tommo being a cerified genius
Having been here since pretty much the start, (the rokit Williams vid) tommo’s content hasn’t dropped off one bit, every video is honestly 🔥, and every point made is informative and I’ve learnt a lot about f1 since
Thought this was a banger video, It’s really interesting to see some of the less known figures behind the teams and I’d love to see more content focused on stuff like this!
Loved the deeper dive to the wider management team. Would love more deeper dives around other teams including other key roles. Great content wrapped around the story of the moment. Love it
This is probably the biggest L a team will take this season. Loosing 2 drivers who are highly regarded amongst teams and fans, one of them potentially to your closest rival. Absolutely mad. Also Piasco is better I'd say than Piastrophe.
@paper plane dude ricciardo doesnt even compare to alonso, I like ricciardo and I room for him but thats straight up lying to yourself, especially this year, Alonso is miles ahead almost everyone and has just had garbage luck, sure piastri hasnt race in F1 yet, but he's show remarkable skill in F2 and I would rather have him in the sport as Australia's future than Dani.
Only thing that would make summer break even more compelling would be for Piastri to sign with McLaren, McLaren keeping Daniel and then loaning Piastri to Alpine. BOOM.
I really thought Alpine had the most potential of doing well this year going into 2022, but this whole situation has left me scratching my head. I honestly never been so confused for such a long time. I mean, one corporate f*** up when the guy is relatively new, is to be frowned upon, but I’m not gonna howl that he should leave. I need more time to judge him objectively.
@@TommoMcCluskey Agreed, man. Alpine we’re looking real good, I was surprised when a few people online said they were going to flop this year. Just because the car broke down so much in testing doesn’t prove much.
Hi Tommo, really enjoyed this and all your videos, I just wanted to ask if there is any possibility of you making a video explaining the difference in the teams leading structure for example at mclaren there is Zak and Andreas where as at red bull there is only Horner? And as well a new ranking of them!
You truly did your homework on this video, and simply Nailed It TOMMO!!! Everything you brought up for discussion, is exactly what True F1 Fans have been scratching their heads over, for the last two months. You have become the absolute "Go To" F1 Analyst on RUclips......Job Well Done Mate!!!👍🏁
The best description of this year in one word - especially Alpine, McLaren and Ferrari: Clumsy. The drivers are getting the consequences, but the basic ability to develop and communicate contracts, strategies, rules and design concepts seems to have been put on hold. Heck, Horner and Helmut look like grown ups.
If Mclaren can provide a better car next year along with Norris and Piastri driver combo, their future is looking a lot better as opposed to the washed up former top team. Maybe its just me loving Mclaren but I am hopeful.
I really thought at the beginning of the season that it will be a 4 horse race for the constructors with RBR, Ferrari, Merc, and McLaren. Maybe next year.
Perhaps, although Alpine's trajectory is better rn. Plus they're a manufacturer. Gonna be interesting to see which team moves forward over the next few years.
@@TommoMcCluskey I agree. It seems client teams are unable to compete at the front in the modern age. McLaren have a lot of improving to do but they still won’t touch Mercedes.
McLaren will probably end up with 3 drivers for 2 cars. They're going to have to pay Ricciardo (Dany is asking for around $20,000,000, that's his contract for 2023), they're going to have to pay Norris, they're definitely going to compensate Alpine for all the money spent training him (several million) And they're going to have to pay Piastri, I don't know Piastri's contract, but a driver of this quality costs around $5,000,000, like Ocon or Gasly. I do not know the financial situation of McLaren, but know that they have already sold assets to pay debts, it will perhaps be difficult. There will be surprises.
Yeah, but it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that they needed to secure their future and contract their drivers. Otmar could have pushed this up the chain to Rossi to ensure he secured the teams future
10:35 you say Alpine is the 4th quickest car (and I agree with you) but it's interesting to think that Mclaren would be way ahead if Ricciardo was driving on the level of Norris. Then again Alonso has lost a lot of points due to unreliability. So I agree it's the 4th QUICKEST but is it the 4th BEST car considering reliability is a car factor and not just luck.
6:51 if you don’t know anything about the guy or the given topic, and it is impossible for you to know; then it is okay to say “i don’t know -and i can’t know.” and leave it at that. You don’t have to then waffle on about assuming and “giving benefits of doubts” because there are just somethings that we as fans and pundits don’t have access to the information and resources on. He could be arse for all we know; but we can’t know, so say nothing. Constructive Criticism.
@@TommoMcCluskey Yes, but they have a very strong regional identity. Like the catalans in spain, for example. If you go there and say "Huh, that´s a nice piece of spain right here", people aren´t too happy either 😅
Giving Prost so much credit isn’t the best use of the material. Renault/Alpine under Prosts “consulting” didn’t go anywhere; therefore, it’s best to go in a different direction, one where an old timer( who isn’t nearly as good a manager as he was a driver (Prost racing anyone?) ) isn’t a part of the process.
Rossi's name does indeed sound Italian, and that's because Corsica only became part of France in the 18th century, when they bought it from the Republic of Genoa. That meant that France had basically bought a piece of territory that was culturally Italian, and it shows in the last names of many people from the island. Even the most famous Corsican in history, Napoleon Bonaparte, was called Napoleone Buonaparte at birth, and Frenchified his name later in life.
Hey tommo i have been at the Hungarian Grand Prix and something that really impressed me was that 90% of people had a team cap. Some of them are really stylish like the Aston Martin one and I thought, would you like to rank them in a tier list ??❤️
Love your vids. How about one where you compare Alonso and Ocon races so far? Who is better on saturday/sunday. Ocon got more points than Alonso but you still regard Alonso higher.
Just for clarification, Corsica was part of the Republic of Genoa which is Italian. Corsica decided to be independent, Genoa decided it wasn't worth sorting out so they just sold Corsica to France. Also, Corsica is where Napoleon was born so there's a somewhat fun fact
I believe Brivio isn’t a Race Director anymore. Was not given the authority he was promised and got repositioned I think. Still at Alpine but involved elsewhere, maybe the DA
@@TommoMcCluskey interesting!… Definitely deserves a big role. Instrumental in Vale’s success in MotoGP and then built the Suzuki from the ground up, unlike Capito who gets a lot of undeserved credit
One thing that really surprised me is that Alpine F1 only exists to sell Alpine cars. The goings on between the team & its drivers over the last 2 years aren't going to inspire trust between customers & carmaker
This is the pinnacle of all silly seasons, thus far! It's quite interesting that both Ferrari & Alpine this season were really showing a graceful stride and due to infrastructure worthy of dilapidated amateurs, they've assassinated their reputations as well as team esprit de corps. Not sure which outfit gets the Booboo the Fool award yet...
Really enjoyed this analysis, so much more enjoyable than most of the puff and regurgitation on other channels. Its quite common for new CEO's to clean house once they have got their feet under the desk so to speak. To get their own people in, who share their vision. So there is a theme here; Prost was known in his time as a driver for being difficult, (what multiple world champion isn't?) and political. Cyril wasn't everyone's cup of tea. Fernando also not an easy driver to manage even if he is still capable of sublime performance. This is a team and a business and first of all it has to run smoothly - no room for Ferrari politics - clearing out those not on the same page or who cause friction is probably sound management. Losing Piastri wasn't deliberate and may be seen as a blunder but it might actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise. I think he has come out of this looking sneaky and tricky and none too loyal and might be more trouble than he is worth down the line. This could work out with Zak Brown getting the headache and having to deal with Mark Webber, Alpine getting Daniel back with McLaren effectively paying part of his salary. Daniel by all accounts isn't tricky, went well in the Renault and is good with sponsors. Rossi and Szafnauer might yet come out of this smelling of roses.
While I agree with the first point that it is increasingly common for a new C-Suite hire to “clean house” to bring in known quantities, esp those loyal to the vision, principles or, more often, cult of personality - having been in the corporate world for a few minutes - my observation is, this nearly always ends… well… badly. Most often, as in this instance, the prevailing view seems to be “introducing fresh ideas” and “thinking outside the box” when facing long-stagnant growth, or critical, unmanaged external threats - but often, as in this instance, at what would seem the very obvious trade-off of having no prior knowledge or experience in and with a specialized, niche and very technical process… which is why I suppose it’s obvious to me, anyhow, as I work in a somewhat similar industry (by those metrics, anyway). Any gains in revolutionary thinking or approach are lost in the fundamental problem of lack of historical context and the value of the experience of previous failure… as nearly every major success in any engineering or technical work is largely based on working through what doesn’t, or cannot work, what might work, but inefficiently, etc. - there’s an enormous amount of trial and error at the outset of any new technology or even on the bleeding edge of progressive gains in mature technologies… the point being, by washing the slate clean, new, innovative approaches can be taken, yes - but the experience of previous gains is also lost in the process. Even when a large number of previous members remain, many will be afraid to be critical of the new regime, as obviously there’s impetus to change the old way of thinking - so get on the bus, or get off… and that includes cautionary warnings about the “new hotness” that might look good on paper, but… you know the rest. I frankly cannot recall a single situation that I am personally familiar with wherein this approach has been employed that it did not end in the ultimate failure of the endeavor, whether the company, one of its silos, or departments - the “bull-in-a-china-shop” appraisal might “show who’s boss” up front, and seem decisive and fearless - but after decades of high-level industry management - my experience is that great leadership requires both a willingness to explore the unknown, and the temerity to make the current situation effective and efficient in the present, flexible enough to implement changes, and multiple avenues of development in both materials and human resources… and by observation, though with admittedly rather limited data - Rossi’s approach is doomed to failure, no matter who drives the car. And, FWIW - same can be said of the illustrious Mister Brown. He might be bold and brash - but, in the end - when one’s go-to move is slash-and-burn - in the end, there’s nothing remaining but rubble and ashes… always. Cheers - and astute observations generally. I rather appreciate those who look a bit deeper than, “Go Max / Lewis / Ric / Whomever!!” and “Everyone else SUCKS!” 😎
Tbf they have a good car for sure right behind the Merc and in a few early races this season they were even better definitely a risky move from fernando to hope over to AM but they do have a lot of investment could be one good team jump he makes I hope he chose right
Corsica used to be a part of Republic of Genova until they became their own country prior to Napoleon birth so Napoleon was born as a Frenchmen in Corsica
I hope people realise the severity of this Oscar stuff. It's like how everyone knows that George is the future of Merc but instead imagine that he was going to take Lewis' seat instead of Valtteri's. Now imagine instead of Lewis racing at Merc until he retires, he leaves for a team like Alpine or Mclaren and then George also goes from Williams to Red Bull or Ferrari, the direct competitors. NUTS
How do you decide which Ts you drop? I am genuinely interestded as a non-native English speaker. For example you said Mo'o GP but then directly after that you said fifty. Great vid as always, keep it up man!
Aston Martin is to blame for accelerating Vettel's retirement, which caused Alonso to move to Aston Martin, which caused Alpine to hastily announce Piastri which caused Piastri to deny the announcement
9:25 In Canada Fernando had problems in his car after 20 laps, before that his pace was better than Lewis, and of course far better than Esteban, very bad statement from Otmar, unproffesional.
@@mohammeded-dahbi7603 No, you can check it, the data is available, in the first 20 laps Fernando was ahead of Lewis and distance between them increased.
@@amrakunish5238 I am literally looking at the data and Alonso was faster than Lewis in exactly 4 laps, which are lap 4-7, and he was about 1.5s faster during those 4 laps. Then hamilton started gaining about half a second a lap, and this was before lap 15 even.
@@mohammeded-dahbi7603 Are you saying that with the same tyres Alonso was faster, but when Lewis put new tyres he was faster than Alo with old tyres?, thanks for agreeing with me, the pace of Alo still faster taking in account the different tyres.
I honestly think the root of all this is Ocon's long term contract He was given it very early and it was given for quite a good number of years too and that has lead them to be out of options, imagine an Alonso/Piastri line up, that's gold #Piasco
Even if Ocon didn't have a long contract he performing at a very high level and they would havr resigned him in a heartbeat, this whole "Ocon's long contract is the issue" thing is just a stupid suggestion from people that don't know much about F1 including this youtuber who's saying "i thnink Fernando has been quicker" how can you say such stupidity about the sport with the most data in the world, just shows his lack of research wich i take as stupidity
@@itechmaroc1 Ocon is no where in the high performance drivers group. He is in best of the Rest. This year's Miami and Hungary where Ocon defend Alonso like a lion while letting others go pass him easily is horrendous. Ocon needs to focus on more getting points with Alonso, not blocking him. If you just look at stats and points. You are no different to the Ferrari pit wall.
@@zegzbrutal Alonso and Ocon have similar speed according to all qualifying and pace lap times records so if you say Alonso is way ahead you are either base, a hypocrite or both. It's his right to defend whoever hae wants especially his teammate why should he be Alonso's dog like Massa/Trulli/Piquet amd others and just roll the red carpet ?? Plus in Hungary the Mercedes and Mclaren of Norris were faster anyway and the team screwed ocon with a slow stop of 4,8 Secs. And stop saying shit out of your ass what defending has to do with performance ? Akonso fans are a stupid treat
As they had a seat essentially fixed at Williams I wouldn't blame them for thinking they are safe with Piastri. And I am still not convinced that this big ego move will not blow up in his face
Master of Science in Fluidics Master of Science in Combustion Engineering Master of Business Admin Interning Engineering at Renault. Think Renault/Alpine can trust this guys to at least get technical development right.
Rossi is in charge of the budget and cost reduction, this is the main raison why he remove Prost and Marcin from the team. Having Otmar feet perfectly with the budget management vision. At the opposite you have Zak who is ruining McL
Let's be honest. Laurent Rossi created a mgmt vacuum around him. Some tasks were not properly tackled and results we see. That being said he is not directly resp for contract mgmt. I'd love to see though what was Alpine's opening talks with Alonso.
2 things I don't entirely agree. First, Otmar overachieving at Force India. They had a damn MERCEDES engine! that was the source of their improvement nothing else out of the ordinary. And even then he failed to manage the drivers Perez and Ocon. I would never see a reality were Toto Wolf would publicly criticize Lewis for being open about a reliability issue. Is just something that you don't do especially when Otmar was actually in the wrong. The other thing I would contest is that Alpine has the 4th best car. I think that McLaren was ahead on many gps and the only reason they are tied right now is because Ricciardo under performed heavily. Fair enough, that with Alonso reliability issues Alpine would have more points (40 as estimated by many people). But what if Ricciardo scored 80% the points of Norris? (same percentage between Ocon and Alonso rn?) that would be around 60 points and then McLaren would be ahead easily.
Although the whole situation is completely crazy and it is tempting to try and find someone to blame at Alpine, in my (probably unpopular) opinion, it is more a chain of logical but unfortunate events than neglect on Alpine's side that put them in this situation. Vettel retiring was logical, Alonso going to Aston was logical even if it at first looks like a downgrade (at least if you may otherwise only have 1 year left and don't care about your grid position unless you win/fight for the championship), Aston wanting Alonso makes sense within their/Lawrence's reasoning, Alpine thinking Alonso would stay was logical, Alonso literally told Otmar he wouldn't be talking to other teams and it was mere formality to sign with Alpine the day before he signed with Aston, Alpine trying to bring Oscar into F1 via Williams for one year was logical so he could learn first, Oscar looking for other possibilites was logical... So in my opinion, the one big question is if Alpine thought Oscar was contractually obliged to drive for them in case Alonso didn't sign. If they wrongly thought that, that's the one but huge neglect and mistake they made. But that information isn't public yet, and until it is, I'm willing to say it's more unfortunate than that someone at Alpine was to blame. It may also turn out that Alpine is right and Oscar has to drive for them, in which case Oscar (or his management) made the huge mistake of tweeting he would definitely not drive for Alpine next year. So in summary, it will be probably either Alpine's or Oscar's fault, once their contractual situation is dissolved, maybe mixed with a slight blame on Alonso, who wasn't honest with his current team. Which of course he doesn't have to be, it would just have been nice of him, and he also just reacted to the quickly developing possibilities regarding Vettel's retirement.
On the whole Piastri saga : I'm amazed by how much props the Aussie get while acting very disrepectfully with Alpine. A lot of persons from the F1 fanbase are missing a big point with Alpine strategy : they did everything they could to help him. They had a done deal with Williams to place Piastri alongside Albon, allowing their rough diamond to enter F1 in a team finally moving kinda upwards. They didn't let Piastri down. They offered him the perfect place to grow, get a first season in F1 with little pressure, and then eventually get him in the Alpine car once Alonso has left. I somehow get Alonso POV when leaving (even if I don't endorse the ingratitude and the lack of class he showed when leaving). But Piastri and Webber have zero excuse to stab Alpine in the back. In a way, it would be Karma if Piastri get slapped by Norris in 2023 and find himself under pressure to remain in F1
Ngl I thought it was all gonna work out with Oscar going to mclaren and Daniel going to alpine but now it's looking like mclaren buying the heavy price for Daniel to leave then they'll probably have to pay alpine for stealing Oscar... so in other words we all have no bloody clue
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I really liked when Laurent Rossi went "It's rossi-in time!" and Rossied all over his drivers contracts
Rossi clause in your contract
Truly one of the moments on all time
should be PIASCO!
ROSSI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"They've decided to play both and ended up playing themselves"
Deep thoughts with the Tommo
You played yourself
Someone has to put up that DJ Khaled clip.
Alpine off track is what Ferrari is on track at this point really
Essentially 😅
Even on track Alpine aren't too far off Ferrari. They also have questionable strategies and poor reliability.
was thinking the same damned thing! love this sport.
Underrated comment
well said
9:21 The ironic thing is that the penalties in those two races stemmed from a slow pit stop in Miami and an engine issue in Canada
11:38 He also seemed very happy after Hungary on the post-race radio, the day before he announced he was leaving the team
Good point on the first, although he didn't exactly seem gleaming after Hungary IMO. There was definitely shade there.
@@TommoMcCluskey Yeah my bad, I misremembered. I just went back to it and it was actually how invested he was in teams battle for P4 in the constructors, despite probably knowing then that he was gonna leave them at the end of the year anyway, which was surprising.
Corsica used to be part of the kingdom of Genoa before it became French. Many Corsicans have an Italian surname, including the most famous Corsican Napoleon. He was born Napoleon Buonaparte, before changing his last name to Bonaparte.
Interesting!
The Republic of Genoa. It was no kingdom.
@@killianweisedesbois you're correct, mistake from me
I always thought Rossi was mostly to blame for the Piastri/Alonso mess. But seeing as Otmar is team principal everybody targets him as blame.
I think that's fair to say
Yeah like Otmar isn’t an innocent party at all but he’s not the one negotiating and making decisions about the driver contracts
Otmar will love this video. Finally takes the limelight of Alpine's failures off of him.
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They were half hearted in trying to keep Alonso and with Piastri, and they weren’t ok with that and fairly so. If they had tried as hard with them as they have with Ocon they’d have kept one of them
Most likely aye
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Cheers buddy, that's much appreciated!
Must agree with you Mate....Tommo has put himself at the forefront of all F1 Analysts on RUclips. He is the very best in this highly competitive genre of RUclips content!!!
Tommo is one of the few people who is actually fair towards everyone. His opinions are always well thought out and justified. Another great video Tommo! My favorite channel to watch for F1!
I'll always speak my mind, but I think I'm a fair man too. Appreciate it!
I’m so early Oscar still has a contract at alpine
Literally 😅
Davide Brivio is such an animated man. We should actually get some of him at the paddock. Look up a few motogp races from 2020 where Suzuki won the championship and you'll see some golden clips 😂
How can we get more of him in the paddock though if his role in the team literally made him to look like he doesn’t exist?
piastrophe and piastro are the two best words that anyone has used to sum up this situation and i don't think there is any possible argument against tommo being a cerified genius
Tbf I stole them from Twitter & Aiden Millward 😅
I'll 2nd all of that 👍
Piasco is better than both tbh 😂
Having been here since pretty much the start, (the rokit Williams vid) tommo’s content hasn’t dropped off one bit, every video is honestly 🔥, and every point made is informative and I’ve learnt a lot about f1 since
Fully agree. It's great to see how Tommo's channel has grown. Success well deserved.
Thank you Joe, that's really kind of you man 🙌
"How long have we got to sort out Piastri's contract?"
"Till yesterday."
"Right, let's put.. wait, what!?"
😅😅😅
Thought this was a banger video, It’s really interesting to see some of the less known figures behind the teams and I’d love to see more content focused on stuff like this!
Cheers Con!
I imagine Alain would be feeling fairly justified in quitting at the moment.
Probably laughing into his baguette right now
@T S ur mom is marketing material
Loved the deeper dive to the wider management team. Would love more deeper dives around other teams including other key roles. Great content wrapped around the story of the moment. Love it
Thank you Sivaraja, appreciate that pal!
This is probably the biggest L a team will take this season. Loosing 2 drivers who are highly regarded amongst teams and fans, one of them potentially to your closest rival. Absolutely mad.
Also Piasco is better I'd say than Piastrophe.
@paper plane Lmao you're on some strong copium saying ricciardo is better than Fernando and piastri, season must be hard to watch 🤡
@paper plane dude ricciardo doesnt even compare to alonso, I like ricciardo and I room for him but thats straight up lying to yourself, especially this year, Alonso is miles ahead almost everyone and has just had garbage luck, sure piastri hasnt race in F1 yet, but he's show remarkable skill in F2 and I would rather have him in the sport as Australia's future than Dani.
Only thing that would make summer break even more compelling would be for Piastri to sign with McLaren, McLaren keeping Daniel and then loaning Piastri to Alpine.
BOOM.
I really thought Alpine had the most potential of doing well this year going into 2022, but this whole situation has left me scratching my head. I honestly never been so confused for such a long time. I mean, one corporate f*** up when the guy is relatively new, is to be frowned upon, but I’m not gonna howl that he should leave. I need more time to judge him objectively.
I hope they can put this contract ba behind them. The actual team trajectory is good. This is just embarrassing.
@@TommoMcCluskey Agreed, man. Alpine we’re looking real good, I was surprised when a few people online said they were going to flop this year. Just because the car broke down so much in testing doesn’t prove much.
Hi Tommo, really enjoyed this and all your videos, I just wanted to ask if there is any possibility of you making a video explaining the difference in the teams leading structure for example at mclaren there is Zak and Andreas where as at red bull there is only Horner? And as well a new ranking of them!
Horner and marko
Video starts at 14:17
You truly did your homework on this video, and simply Nailed It TOMMO!!! Everything you brought up for discussion, is exactly what True F1 Fans have been scratching their heads over, for the last two months. You have become the absolute "Go To" F1 Analyst on RUclips......Job Well Done Mate!!!👍🏁
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The best description of this year in one word - especially Alpine, McLaren and Ferrari: Clumsy.
The drivers are getting the consequences, but the basic ability to develop and communicate contracts, strategies, rules and design concepts seems to have been put on hold. Heck, Horner and Helmut look like grown ups.
If Mclaren can provide a better car next year along with Norris and Piastri driver combo, their future is looking a lot better as opposed to the washed up former top team. Maybe its just me loving Mclaren but I am hopeful.
I agree, I think that 2024 when they have that wind tunnel McLaren could be a new beast, along with 2 great drivers.
I really thought at the beginning of the season that it will be a 4 horse race for the constructors with RBR, Ferrari, Merc, and McLaren. Maybe next year.
Perhaps, although Alpine's trajectory is better rn. Plus they're a manufacturer. Gonna be interesting to see which team moves forward over the next few years.
@@TommoMcCluskey I agree. It seems client teams are unable to compete at the front in the modern age. McLaren have a lot of improving to do but they still won’t touch Mercedes.
McLaren will probably end up with 3 drivers for 2 cars. They're going to have to pay Ricciardo (Dany is asking for around $20,000,000, that's his contract for 2023), they're going to have to pay Norris, they're definitely going to compensate Alpine for all the money spent training him (several million) And they're going to have to pay Piastri, I don't know Piastri's contract, but a driver of this quality costs around $5,000,000, like Ocon or Gasly. I do not know the financial situation of McLaren, but know that they have already sold assets to pay debts, it will perhaps be difficult. There will be surprises.
And the Oscar goes to … Mr. Piastri for making the great move! He definitely deserves the better opportunity.
and seeiously, Pierre was too quick to give his signature to Alpha Tauri. If only he waited for a few months till this summee
People have to remember, Otmar is Alpine's Seidli. Not their Zak Brown.
Yeah, but it doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that they needed to secure their future and contract their drivers. Otmar could have pushed this up the chain to Rossi to ensure he secured the teams future
I'm team #Piasco btw
Aldastrophe
10:35 you say Alpine is the 4th quickest car (and I agree with you) but it's interesting to think that Mclaren would be way ahead if Ricciardo was driving on the level of Norris. Then again Alonso has lost a lot of points due to unreliability. So I agree it's the 4th QUICKEST but is it the 4th BEST car considering reliability is a car factor and not just luck.
Brilliant, T! This the Tommo we know & love and sing about around the camp fire! Those Prost facts shut alpine down like a three legged clown. 😆😂🤣
Cheers Quinn!
Another banger video! You explain things so well! Im a recent comer to your channel and I love it! Keep up this amazing journalism!!
Thank you Jake!
10:36 the way you pronounced car. Been hanging out with too many Americans 😆
Gardening leave can be for a long time - one of my family got paid for 3 years of gardening leave a long time ago
Bloody hell what a touch!
6:51 if you don’t know anything about the guy or the given topic, and it is impossible for you to know; then it is okay to say “i don’t know -and i can’t know.” and leave it at that. You don’t have to then waffle on about assuming and “giving benefits of doubts” because there are just somethings that we as fans and pundits don’t have access to the information and resources on. He could be arse for all we know; but we can’t know, so say nothing. Constructive Criticism.
0:48 Labeling someone from corsica as french instead of corsican can get you in big trouble, as far as i know
But, his nationality is French...? 😅
@@TommoMcCluskey Yes, but they have a very strong regional identity. Like the catalans in spain, for example. If you go there and say "Huh, that´s a nice piece of spain right here", people aren´t too happy either 😅
Giving Prost so much credit isn’t the best use of the material. Renault/Alpine under Prosts “consulting” didn’t go anywhere; therefore, it’s best to go in a different direction, one where an old timer( who isn’t nearly as good a manager as he was a driver (Prost racing anyone?) ) isn’t a part of the process.
Someone finally making sense. Reading the entire comment section is a pain.
"sniffing at his seat" lol nice visual
Fun Fact: Laurent Rossi's birthplace Corsica is home for World Rally Championship round in France the Tour de Corse.
Rossi's name does indeed sound Italian, and that's because Corsica only became part of France in the 18th century, when they bought it from the Republic of Genoa. That meant that France had basically bought a piece of territory that was culturally Italian, and it shows in the last names of many people from the island. Even the most famous Corsican in history, Napoleon Bonaparte, was called Napoleone Buonaparte at birth, and Frenchified his name later in life.
I'm learning so much haha! Cheers Rob!
So you're telling me he's secretly a Ferrari strategist?
Hey tommo i have been at the Hungarian Grand Prix and something that really impressed me was that 90% of people had a team cap. Some of them are really stylish like the Aston Martin one and I thought, would you like to rank them in a tier list ??❤️
Corsica was my favorite track in V-Rally.
Love your vids. How about one where you compare Alonso and Ocon races so far? Who is better on saturday/sunday. Ocon got more points than Alonso but you still regard Alonso higher.
The most spectacular Fuckup in a decade.
that Speculative conjucture line is hella good lol
Iconic
Just for clarification, Corsica was part of the Republic of Genoa which is Italian. Corsica decided to be independent, Genoa decided it wasn't worth sorting out so they just sold Corsica to France. Also, Corsica is where Napoleon was born so there's a somewhat fun fact
I believe Brivio isn’t a Race Director anymore. Was not given the authority he was promised and got repositioned I think. Still at Alpine but involved elsewhere, maybe the DA
Still listed as Race Director on their website... for now anyway!
@@TommoMcCluskey interesting!… Definitely deserves a big role. Instrumental in Vale’s success in MotoGP and then built the Suzuki from the ground up, unlike Capito who gets a lot of undeserved credit
One thing that really surprised me is that Alpine F1 only exists to sell Alpine cars. The goings on between the team & its drivers over the last 2 years aren't going to inspire trust between customers & carmaker
Nothing worse when a bean counter wants all the lights!
Babe wake up, tommo posted a new video
Tommo: "Laurent Rossi"
Oh well I guess that answers that then, see you next video!
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This is the pinnacle of all silly seasons, thus far! It's quite interesting that both Ferrari & Alpine this season were really showing a graceful stride and due to infrastructure worthy of dilapidated amateurs, they've assassinated their reputations as well as team esprit de corps. Not sure which outfit gets the Booboo the Fool award yet...
McLaren maybe, they're competing for that award too.
@@meteor834 they were at the start of the season but have got themselves out of the mud for now
I’m too drunk for all these facts. Great video, Tommo
Quality Tommo👌 But I honey have a bad feeling about Piastri. I don't think his happy ending gonna work for him🤷
Pressure is on now!
Really enjoyed this analysis, so much more enjoyable than most of the puff and regurgitation on other channels. Its quite common for new CEO's to clean house once they have got their feet under the desk so to speak. To get their own people in, who share their vision. So there is a theme here; Prost was known in his time as a driver for being difficult, (what multiple world champion isn't?) and political. Cyril wasn't everyone's cup of tea. Fernando also not an easy driver to manage even if he is still capable of sublime performance. This is a team and a business and first of all it has to run smoothly - no room for Ferrari politics - clearing out those not on the same page or who cause friction is probably sound management. Losing Piastri wasn't deliberate and may be seen as a blunder but it might actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise. I think he has come out of this looking sneaky and tricky and none too loyal and might be more trouble than he is worth down the line.
This could work out with Zak Brown getting the headache and having to deal with Mark Webber, Alpine getting Daniel back with McLaren effectively paying part of his salary. Daniel by all accounts isn't tricky, went well in the Renault and is good with sponsors. Rossi and Szafnauer might yet come out of this smelling of roses.
While I agree with the first point that it is increasingly common for a new C-Suite hire to “clean house” to bring in known quantities, esp those loyal to the vision, principles or, more often, cult of personality - having been in the corporate world for a few minutes - my observation is, this nearly always ends… well… badly. Most often, as in this instance, the prevailing view seems to be “introducing fresh ideas” and “thinking outside the box” when facing long-stagnant growth, or critical, unmanaged external threats - but often, as in this instance, at what would seem the very obvious trade-off of having no prior knowledge or experience in and with a specialized, niche and very technical process… which is why I suppose it’s obvious to me, anyhow, as I work in a somewhat similar industry (by those metrics, anyway). Any gains in revolutionary thinking or approach are lost in the fundamental problem of lack of historical context and the value of the experience of previous failure… as nearly every major success in any engineering or technical work is largely based on working through what doesn’t, or cannot work, what might work, but inefficiently, etc. - there’s an enormous amount of trial and error at the outset of any new technology or even on the bleeding edge of progressive gains in mature technologies… the point being, by washing the slate clean, new, innovative approaches can be taken, yes - but the experience of previous gains is also lost in the process. Even when a large number of previous members remain, many will be afraid to be critical of the new regime, as obviously there’s impetus to change the old way of thinking - so get on the bus, or get off… and that includes cautionary warnings about the “new hotness” that might look good on paper, but… you know the rest.
I frankly cannot recall a single situation that I am personally familiar with wherein this approach has been employed that it did not end in the ultimate failure of the endeavor, whether the company, one of its silos, or departments - the “bull-in-a-china-shop” appraisal might “show who’s boss” up front, and seem decisive and fearless - but after decades of high-level industry management - my experience is that great leadership requires both a willingness to explore the unknown, and the temerity to make the current situation effective and efficient in the present, flexible enough to implement changes, and multiple avenues of development in both materials and human resources… and by observation, though with admittedly rather limited data - Rossi’s approach is doomed to failure, no matter who drives the car. And, FWIW - same can be said of the illustrious Mister Brown. He might be bold and brash - but, in the end - when one’s go-to move is slash-and-burn - in the end, there’s nothing remaining but rubble and ashes… always.
Cheers - and astute observations generally. I rather appreciate those who look a bit deeper than, “Go Max / Lewis / Ric / Whomever!!” and “Everyone else SUCKS!” 😎
Ocon and Gasly in the same team is going to be hell.
Oh wait. It already is. Your point just sucks…
hello tommo
Tbf they have a good car for sure right behind the Merc and in a few early races this season they were even better definitely a risky move from fernando to hope over to AM but they do have a lot of investment could be one good team jump he makes I hope he chose right
Corsica used to be a part of Republic of Genova until they became their own country prior to Napoleon birth so Napoleon was born as a Frenchmen in Corsica
Knowledge!
We are slowly building the dream ream, we have the strategists and now the driver contact manager
Your videos are so calming. Thank you for that.
Haha! Cheers Tommy!
Welcome to F1 Laurent
Gasly would be the best sign
this PHIASCO is entertaining in the summer break
Both great options but I prefer Piasco. We’ll played Tommo
I hope people realise the severity of this Oscar stuff. It's like how everyone knows that George is the future of Merc but instead imagine that he was going to take Lewis' seat instead of Valtteri's. Now imagine instead of Lewis racing at Merc until he retires, he leaves for a team like Alpine or Mclaren and then George also goes from Williams to Red Bull or Ferrari, the direct competitors. NUTS
Napoleon was born there too.
Fun Fact: Napoleon Bonaparte change his name from Napoleone Buonaparte to Napoleon Bonaparte to be more French.
How do you decide which Ts you drop? I am genuinely interestded as a non-native English speaker. For example you said Mo'o GP but then directly after that you said fifty. Great vid as always, keep it up man!
Honestly, there's no conscious decision. 😅 Sometimes I say Twi'ta, other times I overly emphasise the T's and say TWIT-TER 🤷♂️
@@TommoMcCluskey T bias
@@TommoMcCluskey Thanks for the reply, made my day :D
Aston Martin is to blame for accelerating Vettel's retirement, which caused Alonso to move to Aston Martin, which caused Alpine to hastily announce Piastri which caused Piastri to deny the announcement
Didnt he also hire Pat Fry. Thats a big signing right?
Fry has been at the team since 2020 as far as I know, but he has been promoted since Rossi joined.
Ferrari: “We’re on the way for absolute greatness.”
Alpine: “Hi.”
9:25 In Canada Fernando had problems in his car after 20 laps, before that his pace was better than Lewis, and of course far better than Esteban, very bad statement from Otmar, unproffesional.
Lewis had already overtaken him and was pulling away by that point
@@mohammeded-dahbi7603 No, you can check it, the data is available, in the first 20 laps Fernando was ahead of Lewis and distance between them increased.
@@amrakunish5238 I am literally looking at the data and Alonso was faster than Lewis in exactly 4 laps, which are lap 4-7, and he was about 1.5s faster during those 4 laps. Then hamilton started gaining about half a second a lap, and this was before lap 15 even.
@@amrakunish5238 Distance increased cause hamilton pitted for hards while Alonso stayed out, not because Fernando was faster
@@mohammeded-dahbi7603 Are you saying that with the same tyres Alonso was faster, but when Lewis put new tyres he was faster than Alo with old tyres?, thanks for agreeing with me, the pace of Alo still faster taking in account the different tyres.
He needs to fire whoever is in charge of driver contracts.
Last time I was this early Daniel Riccardo was tearing it up at Renault
piasco is a banger description
I honestly think the root of all this is Ocon's long term contract
He was given it very early and it was given for quite a good number of years too and that has lead them to be out of options, imagine an Alonso/Piastri line up, that's gold
#Piasco
Ocon is French, preferential treatment
@@zegzbrutal 100% I feel that's the only reason he's got so long of a contract
Even if Ocon didn't have a long contract he performing at a very high level and they would havr resigned him in a heartbeat, this whole "Ocon's long contract is the issue" thing is just a stupid suggestion from people that don't know much about F1 including this youtuber who's saying "i thnink Fernando has been quicker" how can you say such stupidity about the sport with the most data in the world, just shows his lack of research wich i take as stupidity
@@itechmaroc1 Ocon is no where in the high performance drivers group. He is in best of the Rest. This year's Miami and Hungary where Ocon defend Alonso like a lion while letting others go pass him easily is horrendous. Ocon needs to focus on more getting points with Alonso, not blocking him.
If you just look at stats and points. You are no different to the Ferrari pit wall.
@@zegzbrutal Alonso and Ocon have similar speed according to all qualifying and pace lap times records so if you say Alonso is way ahead you are either base, a hypocrite or both.
It's his right to defend whoever hae wants especially his teammate why should he be Alonso's dog like Massa/Trulli/Piquet amd others and just roll the red carpet ??
Plus in Hungary the Mercedes and Mclaren of Norris were faster anyway and the team screwed ocon with a slow stop of 4,8 Secs.
And stop saying shit out of your ass what defending has to do with performance ? Akonso fans are a stupid treat
As they had a seat essentially fixed at Williams I wouldn't blame them for thinking they are safe with Piastri. And I am still not convinced that this big ego move will not blow up in his face
Yo I love ur vids and ur vibe
Cheers Ahmed!
I like piasco lmao insta classic titling for this summer break, piasco summer rather than silly season 2022
It definitely reads that Alpine is about as fun to work for as Apple in China x_x
no credit to rossi, prost alonso and piastri out? great great management!
Master of Science in Fluidics
Master of Science in Combustion Engineering
Master of Business Admin
Interning Engineering at Renault.
Think Renault/Alpine can trust this guys to at least get technical development right.
A good name for oscar's situation would be 'Piasco'
Definitely a Piasco mate
Rossi is in charge of the budget and cost reduction, this is the main raison why he remove Prost and Marcin from the team. Having Otmar feet perfectly with the budget management vision. At the opposite you have Zak who is ruining McL
online program at HBS!? that says it all…
Eery time someone mentions that Alonso is only a 2 time world champion, I have to remind myself that he didn't win in 2012
Let's be honest. Laurent Rossi created a mgmt vacuum around him. Some tasks were not properly tackled and results we see. That being said he is not directly resp for contract mgmt. I'd love to see though what was Alpine's opening talks with Alonso.
Off topic: is it just me or Tommo looks like a young Aaron Ramsey?
2 things I don't entirely agree. First, Otmar overachieving at Force India. They had a damn MERCEDES engine! that was the source of their improvement nothing else out of the ordinary. And even then he failed to manage the drivers Perez and Ocon. I would never see a reality were Toto Wolf would publicly criticize Lewis for being open about a reliability issue. Is just something that you don't do especially when Otmar was actually in the wrong.
The other thing I would contest is that Alpine has the 4th best car. I think that McLaren was ahead on many gps and the only reason they are tied right now is because Ricciardo under performed heavily. Fair enough, that with Alonso reliability issues Alpine would have more points (40 as estimated by many people). But what if Ricciardo scored 80% the points of Norris? (same percentage between Ocon and Alonso rn?) that would be around 60 points and then McLaren would be ahead easily.
Although the whole situation is completely crazy and it is tempting to try and find someone to blame at Alpine, in my (probably unpopular) opinion, it is more a chain of logical but unfortunate events than neglect on Alpine's side that put them in this situation. Vettel retiring was logical, Alonso going to Aston was logical even if it at first looks like a downgrade (at least if you may otherwise only have 1 year left and don't care about your grid position unless you win/fight for the championship), Aston wanting Alonso makes sense within their/Lawrence's reasoning, Alpine thinking Alonso would stay was logical, Alonso literally told Otmar he wouldn't be talking to other teams and it was mere formality to sign with Alpine the day before he signed with Aston, Alpine trying to bring Oscar into F1 via Williams for one year was logical so he could learn first, Oscar looking for other possibilites was logical... So in my opinion, the one big question is if Alpine thought Oscar was contractually obliged to drive for them in case Alonso didn't sign. If they wrongly thought that, that's the one but huge neglect and mistake they made. But that information isn't public yet, and until it is, I'm willing to say it's more unfortunate than that someone at Alpine was to blame. It may also turn out that Alpine is right and Oscar has to drive for them, in which case Oscar (or his management) made the huge mistake of tweeting he would definitely not drive for Alpine next year.
So in summary, it will be probably either Alpine's or Oscar's fault, once their contractual situation is dissolved, maybe mixed with a slight blame on Alonso, who wasn't honest with his current team. Which of course he doesn't have to be, it would just have been nice of him, and he also just reacted to the quickly developing possibilities regarding Vettel's retirement.
i dont believe what otmar said about alo, why does everyone believe otmar?
HOW DO YOU OUTCLOWN FERRARI?! HOW?!
How about Piastravaganza?
5:18 Same
8:13 8:43 11:00 11:34 14:25
Wish you did MotoGP content
Thanks tommo.....alpine is something else. They are down bad lol
On the whole Piastri saga : I'm amazed by how much props the Aussie get while acting very disrepectfully with Alpine. A lot of persons from the F1 fanbase are missing a big point with Alpine strategy : they did everything they could to help him. They had a done deal with Williams to place Piastri alongside Albon, allowing their rough diamond to enter F1 in a team finally moving kinda upwards. They didn't let Piastri down. They offered him the perfect place to grow, get a first season in F1 with little pressure, and then eventually get him in the Alpine car once Alonso has left. I somehow get Alonso POV when leaving (even if I don't endorse the ingratitude and the lack of class he showed when leaving). But Piastri and Webber have zero excuse to stab Alpine in the back. In a way, it would be Karma if Piastri get slapped by Norris in 2023 and find himself under pressure to remain in F1
Thanks for your comment.
I get your idea, but where did you learn that there was a done deal with williams?
@@miroslavgroh2444 this has been confirmed by the French f1 broadcaster which is truly reliable
Come again
The island of Corsica has Italian roots so of course many people there have Italian names
Makes sense
@@TommoMcCluskey it is definetely an interesting place. Napoleon was also from there
Ngl I thought it was all gonna work out with Oscar going to mclaren and Daniel going to alpine but now it's looking like mclaren buying the heavy price for Daniel to leave then they'll probably have to pay alpine for stealing Oscar... so in other words we all have no bloody clue