I'm looking forward to it. If i may post a question now :-)... at 4:43 you mentioned it took you years to master the double push. What aspect of the double push that was the biggest challenge to you and what did you do to overcome that? Thank you for doing this live Q&A.
for me the most important is one to understand the fact you need to reduce the gliding moment and then the challenge is the timing between the 2 legs^^ … it take brain focus to solve this
Pascal I can not imagine the words that would really and truly thank you for all the effort you make for people to skate better and most importantly understand what they are doing. So please just let me say: Thank You Big, Big Times. :)
I have been an ice skater for well over half my life and been getting into inline skating recently. Now that I don't have a trainer anymore I need to figure out the double push all on my own and this is by far the most helpful video out there. Thanks a lot!
Pascal,,this video is what a lot of people,including myself,have been waiting for,, I can’t thank you enough and I’ll be putting it into practice first thing in the morning. Thanks again, Your skills are legendary ...
Outstanding video, I'm just an amateur marathon's skater but since 2 years now I've been trying to improve this technique searching the Internet and couldn't find anything as detailed as this video, probably most coaches won't share their knowledge like you did here so props to you and thank you!
I just want to say thank you for all your videos. I've been an amateur skater for 26 years but am only just learning the double push and am training for my first marathon in Berlin next month and am learning so much. Thank you so much for all the great tutorials and explanations, they're so helpful.
Thank you so much for this video I've been waiting for so long. It's awesome! I espacially like the extended slow motion sequences, beautifully long grabations! Watching those I feel my body doing it. 56y, skating since 6y, now since one year on 3/125 doing dblpush. I try to improve it every time I skate, not being a professional but 'skatophilic' as well. So far, I've already studied all of your technique videos. Dblpush is simply pure aesthetics! Best teaching video!! Clear recommendation for all those who want to learn and train it. Greetings from Thuringia, Germany
Pascal, you recommended I watch this after I asked bill Stoppard to make a double push video and let me tell you that THIS.. is by far the BEST double push video in all of RUclips. Thank you for taking the time and recommending it. I will spread this to the world for anyone wanting to learn. The pictures and behind the car clips were just PERFECT! Thank you for being a champion and a great asset to the inline skating community! 😄_👍 | -👍 / \ °°°°°°
thank you so much ..you made my day with this comment^^... feel free to check other tutorial about more classic technique....and or more theorical tutorial video ^^
This is fantastic! Your breakdown of the three ways to generate the push is clear and brilliant. I can’t wait to head out and try ro train with these ideas fresh in my mind. Thanks Pascal.
I used to street skate back in the 90s. I took it back up a few months back and being it that i no longer have the courage to jump on and off rails like back then. Im getting in to recreational/speed skating. Just got some K2s and i cant get enough of the things. Getting my daughter in to it too and these are the videos i will be using to train her. Great video dude
Je me joins au concert de louanges : c'est vraiment la vidéo que j'attendais. Je croyais avoir compris la double poussée. Eh ben, pas tant que ça ! 1/3 en fait 😉. J'ai hâte d'essayer. Merci encore de partager.
The best video on internet about double push.. i'm a auto lerning skater.. finally i understood what's double push... Now i must exercize.. some advice?
thanks andrea. Some exercice might come later... but as it's a lot aobut feeling and auto analyse i suggest you focus on a point and try to do it. For example, focus on taking outside edge, then try to draw the under push moment on the road.... when its master... focus on the timing of the body weight transfer....there are many way to get there but most important is that you writte your road ...and practise.....let's go skate
awesome video, Pascal. as a begginer inline skater, I am very happy to have such a good material like this so I can learn properly. you are a great inspiration to me, thank you!
Very nice video Pascal!! Thank you. I am 63 years old on 3x125 and would like to see and hear your ideas on how to develop and skate the most efficient way.
Another comment from me on this video: Pascal, can you make a skater motivational video with clips like in the first 45 seconds and the last minutes? So just cool skating clips with good music. I think the music in the beginning with slowmotion is very cool. Can be just you skating, may also be other skaters. Cheers!
There's an old expression "a stitch in time saves nine" - putting in the little extra effort to maintain speed is much more efficient than slowing and accelerating. Obvious really. I like the figure of 8 visualisation for CoG. It seems like the definition of double push has changed over the years, as you explained, but I'm going with your definition from now on! Great vid for those who missed speed class when we were young (or didn't even skate)!
Cher Pascal, cela a l'air si facile lorsqu'on vous regarde patiner et vos explications sont tellement bonnes qu'on se dit, il ne reste plus qu'à y aller et le faire!!! Oh que non! Je comprends très bien vos explications mais pour un débutant, qui apprend à patiner sur le tard dans sa vie..., et qui a tendance à trop ouvrir le patin au contact du sol, c'est assez effrayant de passer de la théorie à la pratique et d'offrir son "outside edge" lorsqu'on y est pas habitué. J'ai l'impression qu'il y a plusieurs mouvements préalables à assimiler avant de se lancer dans cette technique si optimale. Est-ce que c'est approprié pour un débutant de tenter de patiner ainsi et avez-vous des exercices pour apprivoiser le "double push"? Encore une fois, un énorme merci pour votre excellent travail de communicateur.
salut Sylvain, c'est pas facile pour un débutant de se lancer dans la double poussée directement, c est pour ca que j'avais commencé par des tutos classiques "land the skate" how to push" how to get good position"... mais c est pas impossible de se jeter dans ce challenge ... le facteur limitant est l'équilibre sur un patin et la maitrise des changements de carre ....donc c est ce qu'il faut travailler en priorité comme dans ma vidéo avec le patineur espagnol qui etait venu a toulouse une fois....il fuat vraiment travailler a block l 'équilibre sur un pied
Pascal, what can I say?!? .... THANK YOU, it’s not enough!! We love to skate and your videos (and the time you spent on them) are pushing all of us to love skating more and more...and to practice, more and more!!! Thanks, man. PS: just a curiosity, is your left leg the stronger while doing the double push? Ciao!!!
I'm 73 and learning DP after a lifetime on ice hockey skates. My ice hockey technique is good for sprinting but wastes too much energy for going any distance on inlines - energy/heart capacity I no longer have. These videos are enormously helpful. I can do DP now but my underpush is short and weak. How can I lengthen and strengthen it? How do I put my glutes/hips to work?. I hear what you say but I don't know what to think/focus on to make it happen. When I pull inside with my hip, my knee moves inside but not my foot. I think I need more sideways lean but I don't know how to get it and when I do by accident/chance my muscle memory wants to crossover to recover balance. Yes, I know, too many questions which I am trying to answer for myself in daily practice. Thanks in advance for any tips to speedup this learning process.
Hi yes I see what you mean. Nice description. It can happen if yo don’t have enough trust on the pressure under your foot… may be not enough outside edge also. Normally a little more outside edge than outside mean with the body prevent the knee to go inside during the inner push.
Okay so take this video down and make more money! This is great. I should also mention a big thanks with your videos. Starting Long Track as a master age skater and now trying some inline racing too managing to have some success in my First half Marathon In Montreal last Friday. Coming from a Sports Science background, your technical rundown is really helpful. To another note I know you are running a clinic after the Marathon in September. I have not decided if I can afford to be there this year but hopefully next summer I can make it to europe for some races! It's Hard training for this sport without any other skaters,coach + Living in Calgary, but also a great challenge! Thanks again
Amazing video. It really helps me understand the rhythm. I have started learning skates as an adult at 38. It’s been two months. 1.5 months on cheap hockey skates and 2 weeks on the professional speed skates. I have difficulty keeping my feet straight. They are mostly on inside edge. Any tips to fix this ? I also use the push whenever their change in direction like from inside to out and outside to in before I recover on another leg.
Pascal mentioned a few videos which he made earlier. Here are the links for viewers to explore further:- 6:18 Double Contact ruclips.net/video/QF23FHXemHQ/видео.html 7:52 How to land your skate? ruclips.net/video/T6Ac_4SSjLo/видео.html 10:14 Target Theory ruclips.net/video/gFUDzAOWgWs/видео.html
Hi Pascal, what a great technical video! I have two questions: 1. u said the underpush is a combination of body weight transfer AND a push with the gluts/quads. would u say it's a matter of timing - u start with weight transfer (hips) and gradually shift to a push? or are both done on the same time and it's just a matter of how much percentages u put on each? 2. I find the curving motion of the frame in the underpush from inside to parallel (or even outside) to be very tricky. On the same matter, how do you prevent yourself from falling over? on the outside push u just land the recovery skate. on the inside push, u mentioned u need to use the recovery leg to transfer the weight back. I'm really excited that you said there will be a future video about this subject! Thanks again for this awesome technical information!
rronkin 1- yes it’s very much a matter of timing... all is good... I personally like to start this part of the movement with the muscular action to generate more pressure then I play/help with my body weight ... but sometimes in race info the other way around (when I’m not in shape)
rronkin 2- it’s a hard moment In which many skater struggle. It s probably due to a lack of balance or agility (almost the same) if your agility level is too low you will not trust easily enought this moment
@@ThePascalbriand I have a little theory about this stage, I wonder what you think: Let's start with curves. When we fall into a curve (let's say to the left, like in tracks), we keep our shoulders to the right, and fall with our hips into the turn. We keep this posture during the whole turn until the exit. It's like an endless fall. When you look at beginner skaters, they turn with their shoulders into the turn, and this actually throws them out of the turn. Now back to straight line technique: I think this relates to your video about the shoulders. We land on the inside leg (left) with our shoulders to the right. Then, for the underpush, we fall left with our hips, but unlike in turns, in a straight line we turn our shoulders *to the left* and that's what throws us back to a straight line and prevents us from falling to a turn. It's like both hips and shoulders are falling to the left, but the shoulders fall slightly faster, and that's what throws us back and we can then fall to the right. Makes any sense, or totally wrong? :)
Hi Pascal and thank you so much for posting this video. I understand the dynamics of the double push but I cant get it to work. I can take a good outside edge but the underpush is more or less non-existent. Here's my question: When you land the skate you first press down and then comes the actual outward turn using the ankle. I cant make that distinct outward turn happen or just slightly. How much turning force do you actually apply using the ankle and and to some extent assist with body transfer?
Jerry Andersson outworks turn you mean when my skate go to the underpush? Under my body way? If so you have to play a bit with your body weight to create pressure... make sure you have outside edge and generate pressure and tension inside the hip. It’s not easy to feel if you don’t generate a good pressure on the ground.... it can’t happen if you feel not super balance on your skate. That is why I always force my skater to be extremely good in stability and agility then. It’s also possible that your setting don’t let you do it... or that your shoes don’t let you create enought pressure. Shoes is then super important .
@@ThePascalbriand Yes sir, that's what I mean.Outward turn that actually makes that circular turn when you can (as I understand it) apply the under-push. I took another technical 15 kilometers before you answered and as I see it, I don't have the guts to point the shoe properly inwards in order to create the actual and most needed, circular and thereby pushing movement, I'm afraid I will fall. Classic mind f**k if you excuse my language. The skate ends up almost straight in the direction of travel but still on the outside edge (halleluja). I also found, the timing, in order to create constant propulsion absolutely suck. I tried to take shorter strides and glide less on outside edge, keep a more straight line and turn back quicker for the outside push with help of the recovery leg, actually helped a bit, but need more leg power in order to sustain constant speed. As for the shoes, I'm on Powerslide Samurai boots with Powerslides´ XXX frame and MATTER G13 CHR 125MM F1 86A wheels. The equipment shouldn't be a problem, it's more like my useless self. Again Mr Briand, I'm deeply grateful you took the time to reply. I'll watch friday's Q&A with great anticipation but keep my mouth shut :0) /Jerry
Thank you, a really great video! Question, during the inside push how much knee bend do you 'reserve' for your outside push? You don't bend your knee again between the inside and outside push? And how much energy do you use for the inside push compared with the outside push, 60% - 40% or? Does it differ during a race?
very technical question ^^ thanks. if i do a glut Inside push the knee bend is not that important for the inside push...and as i maintain my speed i also Don't need to low down again before the outside push;...if i skate a marathon speed ...if i wanted to accelerate and sprint then i will bring all more and more down of course. if its a quadricep Inside push then i have to bend a bit more to use some leg extension during the Inside push….all depend how i want to maintain my speed… if during the all circle of movement i feel i loose speed then i have to recreate more so i flex more...if the speed naturally stay flat then i Don't have to force more but just keep the good quality movement. the ratio of Energy between in and out push only depend of how much speed i want to re-create ...as soon as i feel i'm loose speed i will push more : it can be Inside or outside depend of the moment i notice the problem. During the race i play with all this to be able to activate the muscle group at different moment to make some recovery or work...also depend of my day fitness...some days my quads are dead so i glut double push….some day my gluts are tired so i use more my quads...if both are dead^^ i survive with lot of body weight transfer
Thanks Pascal. Just a quick thought, moving your body up and down excessively with each push wastes energy. I appreciate some movement is necessary to get the power into the ground, but the most important factor to mimise wasteful upper body movement is to be flexed forward at 90' so the hips only move up and down. For those of us old crinklies that skate straighter it could be wasteful. Also its the Adductor muscles rather than Glutei that push the leg medially.
Hi Jan ...thanks for the remarks….Moving up and down EXCESSIVELY is a waste of Energy….but if you do just enought in the right timing it will change your life for sure.and the moment the body weight go down its an amazing oportunity to generate a great pressure on the ground if you use the moment. upper body movement were not acceptable some years ago in the definition of technique but i think those time have change (may be im wrong) in the quads tehcnique doing this INFINITY shape movement is super effortless when its done in the right timing...and its Killing you if its done in the wrong timing. if you skate straighter i'm agree its gonna be a problem^^…. about the muscle group...looking from outside i'm agree we could think its the job of the adductor… but in real life its actually not. This muscle is too weak to do this movement in this position. if we stand straight it could do a bit of the job but as we are in a kind of sit position... and the skate is "fix" tothe ground at this moment...i have no doubt that it the Gluteis (in an excentric kind of way) that do the job...and it work good also as the gluteis is probably the most powerfull muscle we have. Practicing this session of double push...the muscle pain is clearly in the gluteis when its done good^^...and i can confirm i had sore gluteis muscle the 2 days after i did the video^^….but thanks for the remarks i love when people bring idea. (i thought a lot about this a can tell you^^)
@@ThePascalbriand Thanks for your reply and explanation Pascal. I am sure you are right, it all makes sense. I suspect that for elite athletes such as yourself a marathon is almost a sprint, for skaters of lesser ability it is agonising endurance where energy conservation is a major factor. Technique tends to suffer by the end of the race. Keep your videos coming, they are very informative.
Jan Musil yes marathon is super easy for us actually... if you progress I. Technique I’m sure it will be easier for you too... if you struggle on skate it mean you have work your technique
i think yes...not really all at same time but then you can adapt the variation to the situation in the race… depend if you want to save Energy (bodyweight transfer) or if you want to breakaway tempo (quads) or a strong attack moment or a fast 1000m (gluts)
@@ThePascalbriand when you do the first push (under) how is your weight distributed on your foot? Mostly towards the back through the heel, or over the heel and towards the ball of the foot as well?
So, for the glute version you land your foot under the hip; for the quad version you land it a bit further inside. How about the weight transfer version? Where should you land your foot?
Pascal, time ago kalon give a clinic where he analized double push of different skaters, he explained that it was really important the moment when the landing skate touch the floor, that it should be done when the pushing leg was almost finishing (he talked about the time the pushing leg should be as long as posible). But i see that you land your skate near the pushing leg. What opinions do you have about this?
EmiVlogs everything is good information.some skater will like more my way some other kalon way. We both say the same when he say you have to push far... We can push far.... as long as we have pressure (or trip) ... we all agree on this. I mainly say to do short push as peopl’e have problem to manage to generate pressure when leg is far... About the landind... it’s about timing it s about how much you can grab inside push...
@@ThePascalbriand thx for the answer, I just wanted to know you comments about that. In my case I land the skate when leg that push outside is around the middle of the push (some times I hurry up a litle, something to work on), but when I retard the landing until the outside leg is almost finishing I feel very good pressure on that push, so maybe I have to change my timming. Thx great video expect to see the next of the serie
@@ThePascalbriandI was wondering if you have a video showing how to skate with both arms behind your back? I can skate with one behind my back but i can't do both.
in ski you can se eit a bit. I seaw some of the best ski player doing it a bit in a way of using very good the body weight transfert... which is similar to a part of the double push... but technically speaking with long ski its hard or almost impossible to get the inside push from the gluts i would imagine. I had few comments about ski specialist talking about it too
Merci pour avoir pris le temps de me répondre Christian. C’est vraiment génial ce que tu fais. Pour l’instant ici il n’y a pas de neige alors je fais du ski à roulettes. Les skis à roulettes sont un peu plus long qu’un patin aligné, les roues sont un peu plus large et la décélération est très rapide après avoir fait la pousser de jambe sur le carre extérieur . C’est tellement un beau travail de jambe ce que tu fais que je vais l’essayer en ski à roulettes et voir ce qui se passe. L’idée de commencer la pousser sur le car extérieur avant de poussé sur le care intérieur du même ski tout en poussant très fort vers le bas et de coter me semble très intriguant. De pouvoir garder une vitesse constante et égale come tu dis c’est beaucoup moins fatiguant! Bonne journée!
@@thibod07 en ski à roulette c est sur que Ca marche un peu aussi....c’est pas facile à coordonner avec le retour de l’autre jambe.... mais si tu regardes bien le mouvement de Bart swings sur une des analyses Ca peut aider.
Hi sir,i am devan from india and i am a skater and i want to say that your right leg is taking more time to touch the ground after the push.if I am correct in this statement please correct it, if it's not please correct me.😊i hope you will reply to this message 🙏
Thank you for the brilliant coaching. I hope to do my first Berlin this year! Very excited! Would anybody mind volunteering their name as a recruiter so that I can get the newcomer discount?
@@ThePascalbriand Yes, a little. I would like to get back A2A - perhaps this year. Also, want to say that I coined the term 'underpush', when Eddy and I wrote a few articles on DP in 1994-97
Sir I am From India. I want to learn inline skating from basics. (No classes or any coach here who can teach me) Sir I request you to please start video series and teach from complete basics. Please sir please
If I ware high cut shoes like R6 marathon,can I double push well? If I want more speed that should I change my shoes to R2 low cut? If I want long distance like 70km 100km which shoes is the best for me?
Hi, Yes its still possible to double push a bit with R6... it will be harder to take lot of edge side to side because plastic reiinforced shell are less supportive than carbon shell but still possible. Maybe icon shoes or samourai shoes can work better than R4 R2. Even if long distance. Just depend how much comfort you need. Best would be the XXX195 i think.
I've been using the auto-generated English subtitles. It's reasonably close, and gets Pascal's idea across. The option is available in the gear icon in the video controls. See if you can find it.
Thank you! This creates a great understanding. Nice to see confirmed what I sort of experienced but until now not clearly understood... the three different ways to drive the double push. But if you look at this video of Joey Mantia ruclips.net/video/yyfVqM4rMXo/видео.html, he seems to move the knee of his recovery leg far more behind his inner push leg. I feel that this helps me a lot to generate more pressure on the inner push, at least in the second part of it but I have a hard time to understand the mechanics behind this...
Im on low boots since 6 weeks now and made a video of my form. Its on my channel. I identified plenty of feedback myself but I would be honored to get one or two tips from the Pascal Briand.
Hej, great quite good. Main point to work is the control of the edge. You are a little block in the inside edge (not too much anyway) after landing it would be good to get a tiny bit outside edge to get more roll. Best is to work at slow speed one leg slalom .
This is a great breakdown of the different types of double push, Pascal! One question: I would say that Joe Mantia's double push (as explained in his popular tutorial: ruclips.net/video/55YXOkf6n8Q/видео.html) is a "body weight transfer double push". Is that correct?
@@ThePascalbriand Thank you so much for the reply! I suspected that he in fact uses all styles when racing, as you do. That's why I specified that particular tutorial; at the moment, I'm working on the technique he presents there and confirming that it is mostly based on weight transfer really helps my understanding. Keep up the great work, Pascal
I will try to make a live Q&A Thursday evening 7pm Paris time ...to answer question about double push :-)
I'm looking forward to it. If i may post a question now :-)... at 4:43 you mentioned it took you years to master the double push. What aspect of the double push that was the biggest challenge to you and what did you do to overcome that? Thank you for doing this live Q&A.
for me the most important is one to understand the fact you need to reduce the gliding moment and then the challenge is the timing between the 2 legs^^ … it take brain focus to solve this
@@ThePascalbriand Thank you.
Dude! this is the best explanation about the double push I have ever seen! 👍
The long awaited, much anticipated & greatly appreciated double push video. Thank you!
Pascal I can not imagine the words that would really and truly thank you for all the effort you make for people to skate better and most importantly understand what they are doing. So please just let me say: Thank You Big, Big Times. :)
thank you Jacek^^
Best video in explaining what double push is all about, the variations and also how it's optimized!
I consider him as my double push tutor via youtube. This is very very very good illustation. Thank you so much. Mr. Pascal
Nutty L thank you
I have been an ice skater for well over half my life and been getting into inline skating recently. Now that I don't have a trainer anymore I need to figure out the double push all on my own and this is by far the most helpful video out there. Thanks a lot!
Hylke van der Veen thank you ... nice comment :-)
Pascal,,this video is what a lot of people,including myself,have been waiting for,, I can’t thank you enough and I’ll be putting it into practice first thing in the morning. Thanks again, Your skills are legendary ...
Outstanding video, I'm just an amateur marathon's skater but since 2 years now I've been trying to improve this technique searching the Internet and couldn't find anything as detailed as this video, probably most coaches won't share their knowledge like you did here so props to you and thank you!
Juan Chemell thank you my pleasure to share.
nobody has explained it as good as you! the outline and focus on glutes to quads so easy to see the double push now ty
I just want to say thank you for all your videos. I've been an amateur skater for 26 years but am only just learning the double push and am training for my first marathon in Berlin next month and am learning so much. Thank you so much for all the great tutorials and explanations, they're so helpful.
Thank you Lena. We will meet at Berlin then maybe. :-) I will be racing there too
@@ThePascalbriand That's awesome, best of luck to you already! I'll be cheering for you from far in the back :D
Thank you so much for this video I've been waiting for so long. It's awesome! I espacially like the extended slow motion sequences, beautifully long grabations! Watching those I feel my body doing it. 56y, skating since 6y, now since one year on 3/125 doing dblpush. I try to improve it every time I skate, not being a professional but 'skatophilic' as well. So far, I've already studied all of your technique videos. Dblpush is simply pure aesthetics! Best teaching video!! Clear recommendation for all those who want to learn and train it. Greetings from Thuringia, Germany
Pascal, you recommended I watch this after I asked bill Stoppard to make a double push video and let me tell you that THIS.. is by far the BEST double push video in all of RUclips. Thank you for taking the time and recommending it. I will spread this to the world for anyone wanting to learn. The pictures and behind the car clips were just PERFECT! Thank you for being a champion and a great asset to the inline skating community!
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thank you so much ..you made my day with this comment^^... feel free to check other tutorial about more classic technique....and or more theorical tutorial video ^^
Thank you. Was a pleasure to skate with you in London ;)
This is fantastic! Your breakdown of the three ways to generate the push is clear and brilliant. I can’t wait to head out and try ro train with these ideas fresh in my mind. Thanks Pascal.
This is the most well thought out and helpful explanation of the double-push that I have seen online. Thank you.
I used to street skate back in the 90s. I took it back up a few months back and being it that i no longer have the courage to jump on and off rails like back then. Im getting in to recreational/speed skating. Just got some K2s and i cant get enough of the things. Getting my daughter in to it too and these are the videos i will be using to train her. Great video dude
Antonio Gatta thank you so much...
Je me joins au concert de louanges : c'est vraiment la vidéo que j'attendais. Je croyais avoir compris la double poussée. Eh ben, pas tant que ça ! 1/3 en fait 😉. J'ai hâte d'essayer. Merci encore de partager.
I was searching for and waiting for this video so long. Thanks a lot, Pascal!
Greetings from Munich, Alex
the best double push video... finally undersantd what is it for and why you see diferent movements... and the rough 2000's movement...
Alfredo Ramirez thanks
THAT was very helpful. Your channel is developing into a great source, I can send people to, when my explanations don't cut it.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown of the double push, Pascal. Excellent video.
its amazing how many skaters are left handed! thanks Pascal!!
The best video on internet about double push.. i'm a auto lerning skater.. finally i understood what's double push... Now i must exercize.. some advice?
thanks andrea. Some exercice might come later... but as it's a lot aobut feeling and auto analyse i suggest you focus on a point and try to do it. For example, focus on taking outside edge, then try to draw the under push moment on the road.... when its master... focus on the timing of the body weight transfer....there are many way to get there but most important is that you writte your road ...and practise.....let's go skate
awesome video, Pascal. as a begginer inline skater, I am very happy to have such a good material like this so I can learn properly. you are a great inspiration to me, thank you!
Greatest lesson on double-push ever!
Julio Maidanik thank you
Congratulations. Hard to explain it better. Thank you.
Well. this is the second time that I watched this video. It is really helpful for me. thanks a lot. :)
Good illustrations and demo! Very informative. So, I have no reason to postpone learning double-push anymore :)
Very handy tips. Thanks a lot!!!
Fantastic vídeo!! Thank you so much Pascal!!🙏
Best explanation so far
Thank you
we need more of this
Thanks
Thank you Pascal for this video and all the other videos. They are very inspiring and I use them in my skating.
My pleasure :-)
Very nice video Pascal!! Thank you. I am 63 years old on 3x125 and would like to see and hear your ideas on how to develop and skate the most efficient way.
Hi David, i would say the outside body weight transfer and the pack skills to use the others would be the key for you…
Very nice explanation!
The perfect technique it's very hard to maintain. Thxs
Another comment from me on this video: Pascal, can you make a skater motivational video with clips like in the first 45 seconds and the last minutes? So just cool skating clips with good music. I think the music in the beginning with slowmotion is very cool. Can be just you skating, may also be other skaters. Cheers!
Outstanding breakdown of the double push. It helped a lot.
Thanks
Best explanations...Coach Charlie
There's an old expression "a stitch in time saves nine" - putting in the little extra effort to maintain speed is much more efficient than slowing and accelerating. Obvious really. I like the figure of 8 visualisation for CoG. It seems like the definition of double push has changed over the years, as you explained, but I'm going with your definition from now on! Great vid for those who missed speed class when we were young (or didn't even skate)!
SingaporeSkater thank’you
Thank you Pascal! One of a kind video and excellent information.
I love your video's they are so educational. Thanks heaps from AUS.
At last! Thanks! VERY comprehensive :)
This is the perfct vid i saw thanks sir i wish i can do this...
john alamariz thank you
Bravo et merci pour cette vidéo. Les explications sont très claires.
Thank you for good tutorials :) Can you make a video about weight transfer?
Cher Pascal, cela a l'air si facile lorsqu'on vous regarde patiner et vos explications sont tellement bonnes qu'on se dit, il ne reste plus qu'à y aller et le faire!!! Oh que non! Je comprends très bien vos explications mais pour un débutant, qui apprend à patiner sur le tard dans sa vie..., et qui a tendance à trop ouvrir le patin au contact du sol, c'est assez effrayant de passer de la théorie à la pratique et d'offrir son "outside edge" lorsqu'on y est pas habitué. J'ai l'impression qu'il y a plusieurs mouvements préalables à assimiler avant de se lancer dans cette technique si optimale. Est-ce que c'est approprié pour un débutant de tenter de patiner ainsi et avez-vous des exercices pour apprivoiser le "double push"? Encore une fois, un énorme merci pour votre excellent travail de communicateur.
salut Sylvain, c'est pas facile pour un débutant de se lancer dans la double poussée directement, c est pour ca que j'avais commencé par des tutos classiques "land the skate" how to push" how to get good position"... mais c est pas impossible de se jeter dans ce challenge ... le facteur limitant est l'équilibre sur un patin et la maitrise des changements de carre ....donc c est ce qu'il faut travailler en priorité comme dans ma vidéo avec le patineur espagnol qui etait venu a toulouse une fois....il fuat vraiment travailler a block l 'équilibre sur un pied
Pascal, what can I say?!? .... THANK YOU, it’s not enough!! We love to skate and your videos (and the time you spent on them) are pushing all of us to love skating more and more...and to practice, more and more!!! Thanks, man.
PS: just a curiosity, is your left leg the stronger while doing the double push?
Ciao!!!
Roberto Daici thank you so much for the comment... it’s my goal to make people enjoy skating
so good ..... the best way to make progres
much appreciation and respect from Japan!
I'm 73 and learning DP after a lifetime on ice hockey skates. My ice hockey technique is good for sprinting but wastes too much energy for going any distance on inlines - energy/heart capacity I no longer have. These videos are enormously helpful. I can do DP now but my underpush is short and weak. How can I lengthen and strengthen it? How do I put my glutes/hips to work?. I hear what you say but I don't know what to think/focus on to make it happen. When I pull inside with my hip, my knee moves inside but not my foot. I think I need more sideways lean but I don't know how to get it and when I do by accident/chance my muscle memory wants to crossover to recover balance. Yes, I know, too many questions which I am trying to answer for myself in daily practice. Thanks in advance for any tips to speedup this learning process.
Hi yes I see what you mean. Nice description. It can happen if yo don’t have enough trust on the pressure under your foot… may be not enough outside edge also. Normally a little more outside edge than outside mean with the body prevent the knee to go inside during the inner push.
Okay so take this video down and make more money! This is great. I should also mention a big thanks with your videos. Starting Long Track as a master age skater and now trying some inline racing too managing to have some success in my First half Marathon In Montreal last Friday. Coming from a Sports Science background, your technical rundown is really helpful.
To another note I know you are running a clinic after the Marathon in September. I have not decided if I can afford to be there this year but hopefully next summer I can make it to europe for some races! It's Hard training for this sport without any other skaters,coach + Living in Calgary, but also a great challenge! Thanks again
Where and when is this clinic?
the clinic is in Montréal the day after the marathon : so 9 september i think you cna contact "pierre laurent" on facebook for more information
@@ThePascalbriand Aha, I thought is was in Europe. (Damn!)
Jerry Andersson May be I will do one or two this winter also in Europe
@@ThePascalbriand Sign me up sir!
Great! Will have to spend some working time analysing it.
Amazing video. It really helps me understand the rhythm. I have started learning skates as an adult at 38. It’s been two months. 1.5 months on cheap hockey skates and 2 weeks on the professional speed skates. I have difficulty keeping my feet straight. They are mostly on inside edge. Any tips to fix this ? I also use the push whenever their change in direction like from inside to out and outside to in before I recover on another leg.
Hi. I still recommand to do lot of one leg slalom to learn how to control edges. Super important basics. Thansk
Will give it a try. Thanks. I guess I need much more balance
Pascal mentioned a few videos which he made earlier. Here are the links for viewers to explore further:-
6:18 Double Contact ruclips.net/video/QF23FHXemHQ/видео.html
7:52 How to land your skate? ruclips.net/video/T6Ac_4SSjLo/видео.html
10:14 Target Theory ruclips.net/video/gFUDzAOWgWs/видео.html
Hi Pascal, what a great technical video!
I have two questions:
1. u said the underpush is a combination of body weight transfer AND a push with the gluts/quads. would u say it's a matter of timing - u start with weight transfer (hips) and gradually shift to a push? or are both done on the same time and it's just a matter of how much percentages u put on each?
2. I find the curving motion of the frame in the underpush from inside to parallel (or even outside) to be very tricky. On the same matter, how do you prevent yourself from falling over? on the outside push u just land the recovery skate. on the inside push, u mentioned u need to use the recovery leg to transfer the weight back. I'm really excited that you said there will be a future video about this subject!
Thanks again for this awesome technical information!
rronkin 1- yes it’s very much a matter of timing... all is good... I personally like to start this part of the movement with the muscular action to generate more pressure then I play/help with my body weight ... but sometimes in race info the other way around (when I’m not in shape)
rronkin 2- it’s a hard moment In which many skater struggle. It s probably due to a lack of balance or agility (almost the same) if your agility level is too low you will not trust easily enought this moment
rronkin recovery leg vidéo I hope to make it in August :-)
@@ThePascalbriand I have a little theory about this stage, I wonder what you think:
Let's start with curves. When we fall into a curve (let's say to the left, like in tracks), we keep our shoulders to the right, and fall with our hips into the turn. We keep this posture during the whole turn until the exit. It's like an endless fall.
When you look at beginner skaters, they turn with their shoulders into the turn, and this actually throws them out of the turn.
Now back to straight line technique:
I think this relates to your video about the shoulders. We land on the inside leg (left) with our shoulders to the right. Then, for the underpush, we fall left with our hips, but unlike in turns, in a straight line we turn our shoulders *to the left* and that's what throws us back to a straight line and prevents us from falling to a turn.
It's like both hips and shoulders are falling to the left, but the shoulders fall slightly faster, and that's what throws us back and we can then fall to the right.
Makes any sense, or totally wrong? :)
Thank you, Pascal!
Great . .wonderful
Nice double push sir
Hi Pascal and thank you so much for posting this video. I understand the dynamics of the double push but I cant get it to work. I can take a good outside edge but the underpush is more or less non-existent. Here's my question: When you land the skate you first press down and then comes the actual outward turn using the ankle. I cant make that distinct outward turn happen or just slightly. How much turning force do you actually apply using the ankle and and to some extent assist with body transfer?
Jerry Andersson outworks turn you mean when my skate go to the underpush? Under my body way? If so you have to play a bit with your body weight to create pressure... make sure you have outside edge and generate pressure and tension inside the hip. It’s not easy to feel if you don’t generate a good pressure on the ground....
it can’t happen if you feel not super balance on your skate. That is why I always force my skater to be extremely good in stability and agility then. It’s also possible that your setting don’t let you do it... or that your shoes don’t let you create enought pressure. Shoes is then super important .
@@ThePascalbriand Yes sir, that's what I mean.Outward turn that actually makes that circular turn when you can (as I understand it) apply the under-push. I took another technical 15 kilometers before you answered and as I see it, I don't have the guts to point the shoe properly inwards in order to create the actual and most needed, circular and thereby pushing movement, I'm afraid I will fall. Classic mind f**k if you excuse my language. The skate ends up almost straight in the direction of travel but still on the outside edge (halleluja). I also found, the timing, in order to create constant propulsion absolutely suck. I tried to take shorter strides and glide less on outside edge, keep a more straight line and turn back quicker for the outside push with help of the recovery leg, actually helped a bit, but need more leg power in order to sustain constant speed. As for the shoes, I'm on Powerslide Samurai boots with Powerslides´ XXX frame and MATTER G13 CHR 125MM F1 86A wheels. The equipment shouldn't be a problem, it's more like my useless self.
Again Mr Briand, I'm deeply grateful you took the time to reply. I'll watch friday's Q&A with great anticipation but keep my mouth shut :0)
/Jerry
great video and explanation
Super vidéo explicatives :D. Pour info vers les 9:00 il n'y a plus les traductions françaises de disponibles. Pas encore faite?
John Pettoman ouais j’ai pas encore fini :-)
je viens de finir la ^^
Mille merci pour une video très didactique qui donne qu’une envie ...aller rouler
c est le but^^ merci
Thank you, a really great video! Question, during the inside push how much knee bend do you 'reserve' for your outside push? You don't bend your knee again between the inside and outside push? And how much energy do you use for the inside push compared with the outside push, 60% - 40% or? Does it differ during a race?
very technical question ^^ thanks. if i do a glut Inside push the knee bend is not that important for the inside push...and as i maintain my speed i also Don't need to low down again before the outside push;...if i skate a marathon speed ...if i wanted to accelerate and sprint then i will bring all more and more down of course. if its a quadricep Inside push then i have to bend a bit more to use some leg extension during the Inside push….all depend how i want to maintain my speed… if during the all circle of movement i feel i loose speed then i have to recreate more so i flex more...if the speed naturally stay flat then i Don't have to force more but just keep the good quality movement. the ratio of Energy between in and out push only depend of how much speed i want to re-create ...as soon as i feel i'm loose speed i will push more : it can be Inside or outside depend of the moment i notice the problem. During the race i play with all this to be able to activate the muscle group at different moment to make some recovery or work...also depend of my day fitness...some days my quads are dead so i glut double push….some day my gluts are tired so i use more my quads...if both are dead^^ i survive with lot of body weight transfer
Thank you for your response! Nice inside into your philosophy.
Is it possible to also make a video like this one for standard skating technique, also with drawings of the body and skates and also behind a car?
www.eAlex.me i can try it may be ... standard skating technique I will try :-)
Thanks Pascal. Just a quick thought, moving your body up and down excessively with each push wastes energy. I appreciate some movement is necessary to get the power into the ground, but the most important factor to mimise wasteful upper body movement is to be flexed forward at 90' so the hips only move up and down. For those of us old crinklies that skate straighter it could be wasteful. Also its the Adductor muscles rather than Glutei that push the leg medially.
Hi Jan ...thanks for the remarks….Moving up and down EXCESSIVELY is a waste of Energy….but if you do just enought in the right timing it will change your life for sure.and the moment the body weight go down its an amazing oportunity to generate a great pressure on the ground if you use the moment. upper body movement were not acceptable some years ago in the definition of technique but i think those time have change (may be im wrong) in the quads tehcnique doing this INFINITY shape movement is super effortless when its done in the right timing...and its Killing you if its done in the wrong timing. if you skate straighter i'm agree its gonna be a problem^^….
about the muscle group...looking from outside i'm agree we could think its the job of the adductor… but in real life its actually not. This muscle is too weak to do this movement in this position. if we stand straight it could do a bit of the job but as we are in a kind of sit position... and the skate is "fix" tothe ground at this moment...i have no doubt that it the Gluteis (in an excentric kind of way) that do the job...and it work good also as the gluteis is probably the most powerfull muscle we have. Practicing this session of double push...the muscle pain is clearly in the gluteis when its done good^^...and i can confirm i had sore gluteis muscle the 2 days after i did the video^^….but thanks for the remarks i love when people bring idea. (i thought a lot about this a can tell you^^)
@@ThePascalbriand Thanks for your reply and explanation Pascal. I am sure you are right, it all makes sense. I suspect that for elite athletes such as yourself a marathon is almost a sprint, for skaters of lesser ability it is agonising endurance where energy conservation is a major factor. Technique tends to suffer by the end of the race.
Keep your videos coming, they are very informative.
Jan Musil yes marathon is super easy for us actually... if you progress I. Technique I’m sure it will be easier for you too... if you struggle on skate it mean you have work your technique
great video! So for the most efficient double push you should use combine all 3 techniques of glutes , quads and body weight transfer?
i think yes...not really all at same time but then you can adapt the variation to the situation in the race… depend if you want to save Energy (bodyweight transfer) or if you want to breakaway tempo (quads) or a strong attack moment or a fast 1000m (gluts)
@@ThePascalbriand when you do the first push (under) how is your weight distributed on your foot? Mostly towards the back through the heel, or over the heel and towards the ball of the foot as well?
Dan Flanagan mainly in the heel ... check on old video about it showing the pressure under my foot during this movement...its vlog 72
Bloody love the ser io us music Pascal!
By the way, your drawings are great
So, for the glute version you land your foot under the hip; for the quad version you land it a bit further inside. How about the weight transfer version? Where should you land your foot?
Weigh transfer versio it’s usually tiny more inside landing than quad version
j'avais raison sur la prochaine vidéo comme d'hab haha ! tu l'as envoyé à Chad pour info ? ça serait sympa d'avoir son avis après toute ces années
Thanks a lot for that video!
Pascal, time ago kalon give a clinic where he analized double push of different skaters, he explained that it was really important the moment when the landing skate touch the floor, that it should be done when the pushing leg was almost finishing (he talked about the time the pushing leg should be as long as posible). But i see that you land your skate near the pushing leg. What opinions do you have about this?
EmiVlogs everything is good information.some skater will like more my way some other kalon way. We both say the same when he say you have to push far...
We can push far.... as long as we have pressure (or trip) ... we all agree on this. I mainly say to do short push as peopl’e have problem to manage to generate pressure when leg is far...
About the landind... it’s about timing it s about how much you can grab inside push...
@@ThePascalbriand thx for the answer, I just wanted to know you comments about that. In my case I land the skate when leg that push outside is around the middle of the push (some times I hurry up a litle, something to work on), but when I retard the landing until the outside leg is almost finishing I feel very good pressure on that push, so maybe I have to change my timming. Thx great video expect to see the next of the serie
Big like Mr Briand :)
thank you Itay ^^ lot more secret and idea to come later^^
Merci beaucoup ! ... je n'en dormais plus...
What percentage of the total push comes from the inside and the outside push at constant speed and at acceleration?
www.eAlex.me good question let me think of it... probably answer in the next tutorial ;-)
Do you have have a video on the way to skate with no arms?
what do you mean? like specific ? this one is double push with no arm actually
@@ThePascalbriandI was wondering if you have a video showing how to skate with both arms behind your back? I can skate with one behind my back but i can't do both.
I wonder if this double push can be done on skis with similar results! 🤔🤔
in ski you can se eit a bit. I seaw some of the best ski player doing it a bit in a way of using very good the body weight transfert... which is similar to a part of the double push... but technically speaking with long ski its hard or almost impossible to get the inside push from the gluts i would imagine. I had few comments about ski specialist talking about it too
Merci pour avoir pris le temps de me répondre Christian. C’est vraiment génial ce que tu fais. Pour l’instant ici il n’y a pas de neige alors je fais du ski à roulettes. Les skis à roulettes sont un peu plus long qu’un patin aligné, les roues sont un peu plus large et la décélération est très rapide après avoir fait la pousser de jambe sur le carre extérieur . C’est tellement un beau travail de jambe ce que tu fais que je vais l’essayer en ski à roulettes et voir ce qui se passe. L’idée de commencer la pousser sur le car extérieur avant de poussé sur le care intérieur du même ski tout en poussant très fort vers le bas et de coter me semble très intriguant. De pouvoir garder une vitesse constante et égale come tu dis c’est beaucoup moins fatiguant! Bonne journée!
@@thibod07 en ski à roulette c est sur que Ca marche un peu aussi....c’est pas facile à coordonner avec le retour de l’autre jambe.... mais si tu regardes bien le mouvement de Bart swings sur une des analyses Ca peut aider.
Amazing thank you!
Coordination !
Hi sir,i am devan from india and i am a skater and i want to say that your right leg is taking more time to touch the ground after the push.if I am correct in this statement please correct it, if it's not please correct me.😊i hope you will reply to this message 🙏
Please make a video on how to fix boots, frame in proper way
Suraj sutrave it already done vlog 19
@@ThePascalbriand lazy Suraj ;)
Thank you for the brilliant coaching. I hope to do my first Berlin this year! Very excited! Would anybody mind volunteering their name as a recruiter so that I can get the newcomer discount?
cool with berlin...check my full video about the race to get ready for it^^
Skaters like you, Joey, and Bart seem to have a slight external rotation of the femur during the underpush. What is this done for?
@@だれか-i8t depend of body style but yes it help to maintain pressure I think…. If knee go too easy inside it break the alignement
@@ThePascalbriand thank you for your answer
What is the name of song at end of video?
Howardbjornson sorry cant remember it’s on epidemicsound.com
How fast would you say you’re going in these videos?
35km/h
Nice video!
dan burger thank you done. Still skating a bit?
@@ThePascalbriand Yes, a little. I would like to get back A2A - perhaps this year. Also, want to say that I coined the term 'underpush', when Eddy and I wrote a few articles on DP in 1994-97
@@danburger606 cool for underpush...good job
and really cool that you skate still
Sir I am From India.
I want to learn inline skating from basics. (No classes or any coach here who can teach me)
Sir I request you to please start video series and teach from complete basics. Please sir please
Merci
Yes !
21 de cours, YES PLEASE 😂🤩🤩🤩
c'est pour donner l'info aux courageux^^
@@ThePascalbriand ca sera ma vidéo de chevet! ;)
If I ware high cut shoes like R6 marathon,can I double push well? If I want more speed that should I change my shoes to R2 low cut? If I want long distance like 70km 100km which shoes is the best for me?
Hi, Yes its still possible to double push a bit with R6... it will be harder to take lot of edge side to side because plastic reiinforced shell are less supportive than carbon shell but still possible. Maybe icon shoes or samourai shoes can work better than R4 R2. Even if long distance. Just depend how much comfort you need. Best would be the XXX195 i think.
pascal briand thank you for your answer,I will try it.and keep watching your Channel ^^
Salut Pascal briand, sympa tes vidéos. Vrement .Pas répondre aux volants .
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고마워!
I wish there were Closed-Captioning so that I could understand what’s being said, I am deaf.
I Will try to finish substittle if they are not available?
I've been using the auto-generated English subtitles. It's reasonably close, and gets Pascal's idea across. The option is available in the gear icon in the video controls. See if you can find it.
Je crois que j'utilise les deux poussées en même temps mais j'ai l'impression que ça me fatigue plus vite
Alors tu dois changer un peu le timing ou vérifier si tu es dans le bon tempo avec ton transfert du poids du corps
@@ThePascalbriand je vais essayer ça merci
Thank you! This creates a great understanding. Nice to see confirmed what I sort of experienced but until now not clearly understood... the three different ways to drive the double push.
But if you look at this video of Joey Mantia ruclips.net/video/yyfVqM4rMXo/видео.html, he seems to move the knee of his recovery leg far more behind his inner push leg. I feel that this helps me a lot to generate more pressure on the inner push, at least in the second part of it but I have a hard time to understand the mechanics behind this...
Im on low boots since 6 weeks now and made a video of my form. Its on my channel. I identified plenty of feedback myself but I would be honored to get one or two tips from the Pascal Briand.
Hej, great quite good. Main point to work is the control of the edge. You are a little block in the inside edge (not too much anyway) after landing it would be good to get a tiny bit outside edge to get more roll. Best is to work at slow speed one leg slalom .
@@ThePascalbriand Thank you so much!
This is a great breakdown of the different types of double push, Pascal! One question: I would say that Joe Mantia's double push (as explained in his popular tutorial: ruclips.net/video/55YXOkf6n8Q/видео.html) is a "body weight transfer double push". Is that correct?
Yes he do a lot of body weight movement there … but he can do a bit of all and he play with the 3 styles also.
@@ThePascalbriand Thank you so much for the reply! I suspected that he in fact uses all styles when racing, as you do. That's why I specified that particular tutorial; at the moment, I'm working on the technique he presents there and confirming that it is mostly based on weight transfer really helps my understanding. Keep up the great work, Pascal