I don't think its because the rejects would die that Rannick is hesitant to send us in, but rather that a bold move to kill/capture the Karnak twins that happens to fail would boost the Moebian morale greatly, and any prisoners would be paraded through the streets as evidence of Moebian dominance. That would undo the morale damage that many assassination missions built, and may lead to the moebians taking greater strides that the warband just isn't ready to contain or retaliate against. He's certainly up to something, though, that's for certain.
Furthermore, the operation was a major fustercluck. The informant was compromised. Moebians called the move. Throughout most of the mission, Rannick tries every option possible to exfiltrate the team. Every option turned out to be unavailable, the only remaining way was right through. Only then he decides that the Twins are going down. And guess what, killing someone is way easier than incapacitating them to capture alive. Especially when we are talking about a threat as major as Karnaks. Rannick was cutting losses throughout the mission, it’s pretty clear. Why get Zola out of the way? Because she wasn’t thinking straight. She got obsessed to the point of risking blowing the entire demoralization campaign and throwing a few seasoned operatives in the grinder just for a CHANCE to capture the Twins. That’s not how one handles special operations, especially after everything went to heck within five minutes after deployment. Assuming the mission WAS successful because plot armor, that means his actions has allowed to salvage the op that was doomed to fail before it even began. At least, that’s what can be seen if we take things at face value. The rest is up for debate. I call power struggle. Zola was getting out of control, so Rannick might have been trying to restore his authority. Only for Grendyl to overrule his decisions. The things mentioned in the video are still something to consider.
I think that aspect is also fear fear zola will outdo him he signed off on this mission she's more active with the squad and helped salvage it if the squad then captures two major chaos guys that's a win for her not him
I almost fell for this theory..... then I remembered the lines where rannick was trying to tell Zola also that her obsession on this matter is going to undermine lots of preparations and progress towards capturing Wolfer
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
@@Jo_Plays_GamesCounterpoint. Unlike other ops generally going according to the plan, the Orthus Offensive was a total fustercluck. 1. Informant who provided the intel was compromised. And, judging by the “right where he said you’d be”, likely captured and interrogated. Or has never been on our side to begin with. 2. Since the Moebians knew about the operation, every exfiltration route was cut off, ultimately forcing the Rejects into facing off the twins. 3. The entire area turned out to be a deathtrap. If Rannick turns out to be loyal after all, it is entirely within reason for someone as level-headed as him to exhaust every available option to exfiltrate the team then pick elimination over capture as a relatively safer option - no need to restrict combat tactics and tools to less-than-lethal ones. It is a reasonable move to cut losses, minimize risks and pull out. Especially for someone as low on resources and manpower as his warband. They wouldn’t be recruiting convicts, nor would they rely on salvaging and repairing busted gear left in the battlefields otherwise. They are both undersupplied and understaffed. A minor victory is better than a major failure.
the fact that i NEVER noticed Rannick up in some balcony there the whole time now has me snapping from trusting him over Zola, to not trusting him at all.
Ranick has bottom of the barrel troops and low numbers of them, him not wanting to waste them in a pointless mission that more likely than now will end with the rejects death seems a sensible thing to do even more when his states that the wants to demoralize the mobians instead of killing the heads right ahead
Another thing to consider, is during the cutscene where they're searching Mara's room and finding chaos symbols allllllllllllllll over the place is a bit heavy handed. Someone who's trying to be a secret cultist isn't going to do that unless they're a complete moron. It doesn't add up that someone could go undetected for so long and be doing something so obvious, seems like a setup. Plus he looks kinda like Zorg from the fifth element.
1. Rinda says "Right where he said you'd be." She did not specify who "he" was. It could be Wolfer, yes, but it is not impossible to be Rannick. If it was Wolfer who told her, where did he get that info? 2. Rannick is quick to try and get the strike team to quit. He knows that, if they succeed, Moebian plans will be undone. 3. As you stated, that call ended far too fast, and Masozi would have said something surely. He wants us to go down there and die. 4. Rannick would have wanted to capture the Karnak twins. He would have had a field day interrogating them if he was loyal. 5. As stated, he does sidestep Zola's question. 6. After the mission, Rannick censored the after action report. Certainly he would have at least given it to Zola or Grendel considering they both had a hand in this mission. All arrows point to Rannick either being incredibly incompetent, or he has loyalties to another party...
I've spent a year playing this game, just hanging out in the Mourningstar, but I never realized that was Rannick in the Atrium looking down at the operations deck at the rejects.
On the hole Twins business, I am on Rannick's side of the issue. Zola was shooting from the hip, acting on vague intel and putting by then proven operators at risk to pursue a personal agenda (as evident by her log entries). I mean there are "targets of opportunity" and "taking initiative", the Twins mission could have gone south on so many levels. We have to take operational security into account and ask ourselves how many wormwood agents and other types of shadow operations Zola's stunt has compromised and if the death or capture of the Twins would have been worth it.
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
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It’s weird for me because mara vinci seemed super nice (i did not spot her lurking around in the cutscenes) and was another cool unique vendor in the lobby and then turned out to be the traitor, while rannick has obvious sneering villain vibes. He looks like a mix between a sleazy pirate second in command type of character and a scheming royal advisor, doesn’t seem to be liked by any of the characters but is instead respected for his authority and manages to make the inquisition uncool. And he’s supposed to be the good guy that we throw ourselves at hordes of heretics for? Dan abnett + fatshark better have some awesome plot points cooking because right now i’m stuck with a zombified cosmetics seller and a very punchable boss.
Frankly, Mara never appeared too likeable for me. From her arrogant body language in cutscene appearances, to “Oh hi, Mark!” bland manner of speech after her actual gameplay appearance. It’s like she’s trying to sound nice and hospitable by saying appropriate things, but forgets to fake the proper tone for it. When people wish you a good day with that tone, it’s obvious they, at best, don’t give a darn whether you’ll have a good day, if not outright wish for the opposite.
I think another reason Rannick was upset was Zola lying that he had given her authority to gain access to a lot of the resources she then blundered to Wolfer. Losing rejects is one thing, but Wyrmwood agents are harder to replace and more dangerous to lose to the enemy. The vox intercept of Rannick's conversation with Morrow explicitly states this, and in the same vox Rannick states that he finds it oddly quiet, which I think could suggest they had some sort of plan to engage the enemy that oddly never showed up. I think there's defintely some past between Zola and Wolfer, and Wolfer is exploiting that in getting Zola to play right into his hands.
The problem I have with that is that we don't have the opportunity to hear what Zola said first hand. When she argues to Rannick that Grendyl gave her and free hand and he doesn't tell her right then and there to STFU because she's wrong - I think that says A LOT. Perhaps Zola said something to Morrow about having full authority and he misinterpreted it as having Rannick's, but instead she had Grendyl's, which would supersede Rannick.
@@Jo_Plays_Games Yeah, that could just as easily be correct too. I don't trust either of them regardless. They're both more trustworthy than Masozi though; there's no way she wasn't cheating at that last hand of cards!
Another great video! No one trusts the Inquisition! They have lies within lies. Rannick may be corrupt, however, he is of a higher rank than Zola , and inquisitors never share info with those who are not their rank. Then there is the constant issue of many Inquisitors being horribly ambitious, even to the point of being harmful to their own cause. I am wondering if Zola may or may not be related to the Karnak twins. That is something that neither she nor Rannick would want anyone to know.
I don't think he is a traitor but I do think he knows more then he lets on, and leans more into "holding the line" rather then risking a major loss, because of this.
Something as simple as 'hiring rejects was a Hail Mary move to save the day in the first place, we lose too many of them and it's Exterminatus time'. Pretty much says so in one of the trailers. A perspective that Zola is too emotionally invested to see. And, we are no longer lowly rejects: we've succeded when others have failed, shipmistress Brahms comes to watch us work, engseer 'Whatshisface' expresses gratitude, you get the picture.
of course he cant be trusted. not even because he might be traitor. even a loyalist inquisitor or interrogator could sell nearly anyone out at any point if he thinks it might accomplish the mission. but we dont have any choice, yet
I got a theory to some degree: What if Rannick knows that there's some kind of Chaos portal that the rejects are being fed to as part of the Cauldron? All the monstrosities we see in Tertium somewhat require a connection to the Warp to be stable, like the Beasts of Nurgle and the Chaos Spawn. Maybe he knows that there's something deeper and doesn't want Zola to unknowingly feed the portal/sacrificial chamber?
Maybe... They kind of run that risk every time they go on a mission, though. If they're going to be used as sacrifices, they'd be used any time they fail the Emperor. Rannick's decision to have a complete fit the one time we go on a mission that would truly be invaluable and actively capture a member of the enemy who would have vast knowledge under interrogation is just strange.
While I find it suspicious that he doesn’t want to capture two of the three most important people to our enemy I have a suspicion that Grendel had a hand in not wanting the twins to be brought it. Not sure why but we’ll have to see
Hmmm good points, seems like it could go either way. More Warhammer media I see though the more the person who appears evil has a good chance of being a good guy too. Especially if they are an Interrogator or something.
Yeah, I kinda want to believe Rannick is a seems evil, but is really actually mostly just smart, callous, and manipulative. And also kinda evil, but Imperium evil, not chaos evil. We'll see eventually I guess!
i personally think he was responsible for wulfers initial capture (and possibly escape) hoping to use tertiums plight to secure his promotion to full inquisitor since the initial capture wasn't enough, he organized the escape. and i think zola bringing either twin or both in would possibly move her a step closer to his rank which he won't allow while he's not an inquisitor himself the last part is my gut instinct because he emits a superiority complex in every interaction with her or any member of the war band he speaks with
So the "fake call to messosi " I read it as grendyle interrupting ranicks extraction of the rejects and telling him to carry out the mission especially since grendyle comes of as the type of inquisitor that only his uper Escalon know who or what he looks like
@@Jo_Plays_GamesI also want to mention, the name of the update where this all started The “traitors curse” is when all this started happening with the carnival district and the offensive After all it’s the “traitor’s curse” The “traitor” seems to be already rooted out yes? (The zealot that now sells us shitty cosmetics) So what traitor is giving us a curse???? I’m probably reaching hard but I like to believe that wolfer knows something about rannick that he told zola, maybe while monologuing about how “he will escape and blah blah blah” And zola is desperate to confirm her suspicions without being publicly executed by the man who may very well be the source of a very large problem, a problem she’s trying to solve
I think rannick is a red hearing He is the usual, bad guy looking bad guy... so he can actually be the good guy, and for the imperium who is in the universe of "there is no good guys" it makes sense that as part of the inqisution, who, by "normal" standards are bad guys, looks like a bad guy, but by the standards of the lore, is loyal.
@Jo.Plays.Games. well thats fair, we'll only see once Obese Fish finally gives us some more recent lore, because id argue anything that is available before lvl 30, or that uses pre lvl 30 dialogue, is kind of like the episodic tv series, in the state that it never progresses above us being just some rejects, while the offensive is quite propably, the FURTHEST and most recent lore (i didnt get to play the train, so i have no idea on what lore was in it)
The train level Rolling Steel is still in the game! As far as the lore, it's interesting because as the game has continued, some of the mission intros have changed to make the point of the mission fit more in sequence with newer missions. The best example I have is Metal Fab 36, sometimes the mission intro is that we're going in there to secure it again so we can start making true Moebian steel since we secured it in Clandestium Gloriana.
What if Rannick was bluffing and would have shot us as the traitor if we had reacted with the same panic? Also, the hologram scene is sus : the change of voice might be the tech glitching but also a redacting of the initial message from Grendyl.
Small correction, but rannick never said extraction in the first place was impossible. He said ALTERNATE extraction was impossible. He was arguing for you guys to be extracted before the designated extraction point which is through the path of the twins. He even says “the only way out is through”
This is great, I never realised some things you are pointing out. I love this game so much, I do hope they add more bits like in the Morningstar with more social things to do and more missions where things are happening during the mission making it feel much more interesting and as if the story of each matters. Like how in the orthus offensive. the map is clearly in the future with that area being visibly more damaged since we last arrived like with those collapsed bridges and the lot. I love the environmental story telling.🥵 I’m also getting the vibe both rannik and zola are “hiding something” something similar but also completely different something that rannik might ask about, but with the slightest mention doesn’t want to hear about it hm because he already has a few ideas? They might seem to know tiny bits of each others hidden agendas.
I am getting the feeling more and more that the "two Zolas" have to do with whatever personal connection she has to Wolfer, and somewhere deep down she carries a small hope he can still be saved.
something you have to remember about warhammer is that knowledge can be extremely corrupting, any personal question that she had to ask the twins could be used as a form of leverage leading to her corruption, that's if the information she seeks isn't corrupting itself. And that possibility is extremely dangerous considering the power and knowledge Zola has, and the damage to moral that would occur if she turns. Killing the twins is the best possibility to prevent that, retreating and leaving them alive would just make it more difficult to reach them later, and might make Zola act even more erratically. I would not be surprised if the story progresses with Zola being restricted significantly for her actions, or worse
Actually, this all makes a lot of sense! Rannick is tying up loose ends to cover his own ass. Either the traitor was an accomplice or an innocent, and rather than INTERROGATE her, he shoots her to keep her silence. Either way, he throws her under the bus to cover his arse. The Karnak Twins are a little more obscure. Presumably they're either an obstacle to him, or they know something incriminating about him, so he wants them dead, and he tries to enaure we don't get back safely in case we found something out. Awesome video! Really made me rethink the story and characters. 😊
I don’t believe Rannick actually cares about the lives for our dear lil rejects, rather he cares for the material cost for throwing constant squads of rejects stacked with equipment to die at the hands of the twins, of whom it is stated the twins have been butchering reject squads before the Orthus Offensive. Plus the morale argument does make sense, letting our lil squad of rejects just walk into an obvious trap could undo a lot of the good we have done in our missions.
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
It could be that Ranick is prolonging the war instead of trying end it he could easily be using these convicts as sacrifices and doesn’t want decisive action to be taken like killing Wolfer and is much more willing to let the rejects risk killing one of the twins instead since it’d be too difficult to explain why he doesn’t want what’s happening.
My insight on this would be. If Ranboi is a bad guy: 1. He is a heretic in disguise. If Ranboi is on our side and doing this the Inquisitorial way (Confusing af) 1. He lost the Favor of Grendyl and don't want others to outshine him (Zola succeeding on this would boost her rank, even out shadowing him) because somehow, a TRAITOR have Boarded the very vessel Grendyl have and is on for a long time. 2. Might be risky taking another Heretic on board (judging how Fked they got last time they have one). Remember, you ALWAYS kill your targets on this game. Don't know why but, have you seen a capture a target mission? Didn't think so. 3. Rannick knows something about Zola that he tries to hide away from her. Remember when the rejects kept on talking about Zola hiding something that she doesn't know about? I hope it's not like something cliche like Zola being a sibling or a cousing to Wolfer though. Christ.
Well Rannick is the one who makes her sign the list of her misdeeds. I'm VERY interested in exactly how true Grendyl giving Zola a free hand is, because if Rannick is getting in the way of that - that's a problem no matter why it's happening.
@@Jo_Plays_Games Thats very interesting, if Rannick is getting in the way of Grendyl giving Zola the free hand, is he doing it for what he thinks is Grendyl's benefit? that doesn't seem like something that would fly, even if it was for Grendyls benefit, and Rannick should know that the most. It really seems like more than conjecture that something is up with Rannick.
maybe he is just a stuck up fool that doesnt like thinking outside of the box and doesnt trust zola because she is from tertium, and he could be a traitor, but the whole orthus offensive was sus asf
Rannic is either a traitor or incompetently written, no in between. Even early on when we had no real story, Rannic opting to shoot the traitor in the ending was such a poor decision. He's an interrogator... you don't think he might have better things to do with a spy then shoot them in the back and magically make a servitor out of a dead body? lol
Hello will you talk about the journal entries? Honestly I was kinda disappointed when the last one dropped and it said Zola was just to continue in the warband as normal. The entries up to the seventh one were hyping up the uncertainty of her future and how lost she was. Nothing has changed in the end. I hoped the events of the Orthus Offensive would've had a bigger impact. Or is there something I'm missing... edit I like Rannick I want to believe he's loyal but you have a lot of convincing arguments in this video
Thanks so much! I would talk about the journal entries, but at least in this case, I didn't find too much helpful information. We already knew Zola gets returned to duty, because after you complete the Orthus Offensive for the first time with any character and then go back to the Orthus Offensive on the mission board, she says, "By now you'll have heard that I've been returned to duty." So....we already knew she was going to be fine. I don't understand why Fatshark keeps doing things in a weird, wonky order. 🤷♀️
Sorry i know im a year late but i need some help, since im not very well versed in 40k content. On the subject of traitors on the ship, how many loyalist techpriests have green eye lenses? All the loyalist ones ive seen have blue, except hadron who has green. But ive seen multiple canon hereteks with green lenses, and this wouldnt be weirding me out so much if we werent fighting a nurgle cult. I cant remember who says the voiceline, but someone in darktide talks about hadrons augmetics looking brand knew, while their flesh is ancient
That's a really good question. I'm not sure if there's a standard color-coded set of augments typically seen on hereteks vs loyalists. Maybe it has to do with what their "specialization" is? Enginerseer vs technoarcheologist, etc?
From what I know about 40k there's no way rannick is a traitor, at worst he's commiting a traitorous act by trying to cover up that he got the wrong guy and then said there were no more traitors, but he's directly under Grendyl who's a full on inquisitor, if he was a heretic of the dark powers Grendyl would 1000% know even if he was busy doing something else.
I am still suspicious of Zola herself. To be honest, they are both acting EXTREMELY suspiciously. It's not at all impossible that Rannick is hiding some sinister motive. But what if his attempt to "cover up" and shut down Zola is because Rannick himself is aware of the "Two Zolas" or whatever's going on with her. If this is the case, we can also safely assume Rannick has a far better idea of what's going on with Zola than we (as players and rejects) currently do. It might also be possible, that the "free hand" Zola has been given by Grendyl was actually to see what SHE would do if given more independence, and not at all as a gesture of trust. I don't know why it was important for Rannick to take such a direct and heavy hand though. I think maybe he would prefer the Rejects dead because they were listening in on a sensitive top-secret investigation that he is doing of Zola? But then why the order to kill the twins? I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't want one captured, unless it has something to do with keeping Zola away from them, perhaps again in relation to the "two Zolas"? But then she was also right there on the prison ship WITH Wolfer, and it's not like that had any kind of strange effect on her. She just wanted to know what he knows. Anyway, that's my alternate stream of consciousness. I don't even necessarily believe any of what I just wrote, it's all "maybies" lol
One thing I'd also like to say; I do enjoy how suspicion is thrown around at different characters. Zola, Rannick, Morrow, even Grendyl and Brahms have their motives, intentions and loyalties questioned at different times. I think it's interesting and opens the doors for many possibilities moving forward.
All of these are valid! As Darktide goes on, I think I see Zola being developed as our main character more and more, which makes me think this will be a story about her rise to at least interrogator. I still wonder what the "two Zolas" thing is about, but I think it might have something to do with her having a personal relationship with Wolfer that she needs to come to terms with and get closure.
@@Jo_Plays_Games I kinda hope they give each of the command staff characters (Zola, Morrow, Rannick, and ultimately Grendyl) their own character arcs, which each in their turn tell the over-all story of Darktide. If Zola is getting her own story and development atm, I hope they share it around later down the line rather than focus on one character and making her the "main character", so to speak. Regardless, I'm along for the ride!
Could Grendyl be a rouge Inquisitor like Quixos? Could the outbreak on Atoma be a result of Grendyl's effort to suppress a greater evil? Could that threat be a genestealer cult, as they attract the hive fleets? You can defeat Chaos, but Tyranids require exterminatus.....
I've never seen Inquisitors being 'zealous', they've always been 'dogmatic'. 40K has one constant theme: zeal/emotion leads to chaos. Even the RIGHT ACTION will lead to Chaos if done for the Wrong Motive. Zola made the right move - but the intense drive leads to corruption. IRL: I disagree with this. But 40K Lore: condemns Zola.
I feel members of the Inquisition distrusting even each other sounds almost cliche to the point I wonder if it's calculated misdirection. I also agree I don't feel the traitor story is done, and I think it goes back to the very intro clip narrated by the Rogue Trader Brahms. We see a trip through the warp where one of the ship crew start to spark, a psyker looks like they're having a smite seizure and probably explains why the Gellar Field fails and the warp entities seep into the ship. Something happened before the Mourningstar arrived at Atoma Prime and nobody on the ship seems to know about it. Perhaps if it was sabotage, Rannick could have been involved and yeah maybe he pinned it on one of the rejects to hide his secret. Still sticking with my theory Grendyl is dead and either Hadron is mimicking him, or perhaps he's sharing a head with her. This would clearly be a heretical act, buuuut... we're on a Rogue Trader's ship, and they are given considerable deference to operate outside of the Imperium's laws. I seriously don't think Grendyl would requisition the Mourningstar just because he could, there's probably a gazillion friggin ships in the Imperium so why choose Brahms' ship? The Wikia's seem to think Brahms is in Grendyl's retinue just based on dialogs here and there, I think the situation is reversed. I think Brahms part in this story goes entirely ignored by many, but the fact she narrates the intro makes me wonder if she's a much bigger player in everything going on. If Grendyl were living in Hadron's head I imagine Hadron must be working in cahoots with someone. I've heard tech priests can be very dark, and have an even greater sense of the dispensibility of other fleshy humans when it comes to achieving their own motivations. I can't imagine what Rannick could offer Hadron to get her to agree to conspire with him, but I could totally see Brahms promising Hadron some primo newly discovered ancient tech that'd make Hadron drool if she could, or maybe even Hadron working with the Rogue Trader because being in Brahms' retinue would give her a chance to salvage xeno tech without fear of it being deemed heretical. As for Rannick, if he is being treacherous then I'm not sure his aims are heretical necessarily, in way of doing the bidding of the forces of chaos, but perhaps too ambitious. Wikia suggests Brahms never liked Rannick at all, really hates the this whole Rejects situation. Perhaps Brahms had more pull with Grendyl than other way around, Brahms wanted to have Grendyl squash this Rejects strategy but that would piss off Rannick, and he's trying to gain rank as an Inquisitor himself, and perhaps he sabotaged the Gellar Field in hopes to take out both Brahms and Grendyl to further his own ascension, if that would help him gaining rank as an Inquisitor, and/or maybe even taking over the Rogue Trader's ship.
I don't think the gellar field failed, that was just the normal amount of daemonic incursion during warp transit. If the field had failed, everyone on the ship would be extremely dead.
I've heard it varies, that trips through warp with no Gellar Field have miraculously resulted in nothing happening, and the opposite even the most brief lapse of protection can have devastating consequences.
It's a stretch. I don't think they go that far. Keeping in mind they still need to write a story that has the Inquisition as the "Shining good guys" with the tone of "this is a dictatorship" still. I think using Rannick as another "mole" makes sense but from what the story has shown and implies. Words used, it sounds like they are taking it more of the literal route. Where as players who know nothing of 40k, need to see and feel we are prisoners and the Inquisition is our ONLY salvation in this world. Having rannick, basically Number 2 of the warband be traitor, imo, wouldn't be the correct route with what's been laid. But hey if he is, that haircuts gonna be fun to watch singe off.
I want to burn his stupid hair. Also, I get the sense that Zola is the main character of Darktide, and I have a gut feeling that it's going to be the story of her rise to at least interrogator. I think she's one of the rare ones that will get fast-tracked to inquisitorship, she's just TOO deeply involved with every facet of the story. That's part of why I feel Rannick is going down.
I agreed with Rannick. I agree with Zola more. Getting one of the twins would be invaluable to get to Wolfer and perform a decapitation strike. Rannick could have gone along with her plan. The team was there already anyways. I doubt either of them are traitors.
could be the inquisistion was responsable for the events that led to the outbreak, and the actions taken could be interprated as damage and information control. Not saying they're in bed with nurgle, but more their operations opened the door that let the rot take hold. Demonhosts are typically made and used by inquisitorial forces after all. Rejects are also great as agents in this manner as any information they learn can either be mind wiped or exacuted without question. So off the top of my head, inquisistion was useing some sanctioned heresy on the fringe worlds but some of it slipped their grasp, now shits gone horribley wrong and we're on cleanup. The great rift could also very well be a convienent excuse to not call in reinforcments, last thing you want is more witnesses to your fuckup outside your command. Keep it in house as it were.
I kinda feel like you are missing that the Warband by now is more valued than at the beginning, considering we are now the elite of the warband, veterans of hundreds of Missions. Rannick is right in trying to stop Chaos from getting a free Kill on us.
That's actually not true. Canonically, we have to assume the Rejects are under level 30 and not officially part of the warband for this mission, since you can access it at difficulty level 2 and it isn't level cap gated.
@ Eh, my rejects are there since beta, they should be respected. I don’t agree that we must assume they are under level 30 when most player are not. I feel like players below 30 are more of the exception than players above that.
@bbdf21 we also must not assume that content is intended to be played with the assumption your character is max level and fully inducted in a game with no formal mission sequence structure.
its cuz the secret files are the movies hes made with Hadron late night in the secret chambers of the Mourningstar nobody can know the power of the machine spirits effects on the mechanicussy
With Zola’s openly admitting to using information from a known corrupt contact and sending you into a known trap I can understand him being upset, perhaps he’s a bit sus but Ye having us walk into an ambush face first is a pretty bad move all in all
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
Anyone who has seen The Fifth Element knows Rannick has an evil character haircut…
This is where I'd put the "My favorite." gif, if I could.
@@Jo_Plays_Games i think I know the gif!
Totally looks like Gary Oldman. I was just checking the comments to make sure someone would bring it up.
That haircut alone makes him suspect. 😂
The first time I saw the puny liar, I knew he was a traitor. I saw his face and immediately thought, "Fetch me those stones," this guy's the traitor.
I don't think its because the rejects would die that Rannick is hesitant to send us in, but rather that a bold move to kill/capture the Karnak twins that happens to fail would boost the Moebian morale greatly, and any prisoners would be paraded through the streets as evidence of Moebian dominance. That would undo the morale damage that many assassination missions built, and may lead to the moebians taking greater strides that the warband just isn't ready to contain or retaliate against. He's certainly up to something, though, that's for certain.
Yeah, I think, regardless of what Rannick is up to or what's going on with Zola, that^ is very likely truth.
Furthermore, the operation was a major fustercluck.
The informant was compromised. Moebians called the move.
Throughout most of the mission, Rannick tries every option possible to exfiltrate the team. Every option turned out to be unavailable, the only remaining way was right through.
Only then he decides that the Twins are going down.
And guess what, killing someone is way easier than incapacitating them to capture alive. Especially when we are talking about a threat as major as Karnaks.
Rannick was cutting losses throughout the mission, it’s pretty clear.
Why get Zola out of the way? Because she wasn’t thinking straight. She got obsessed to the point of risking blowing the entire demoralization campaign and throwing a few seasoned operatives in the grinder just for a CHANCE to capture the Twins. That’s not how one handles special operations, especially after everything went to heck within five minutes after deployment.
Assuming the mission WAS successful because plot armor, that means his actions has allowed to salvage the op that was doomed to fail before it even began.
At least, that’s what can be seen if we take things at face value.
The rest is up for debate. I call power struggle. Zola was getting out of control, so Rannick might have been trying to restore his authority. Only for Grendyl to overrule his decisions.
The things mentioned in the video are still something to consider.
I think that aspect is also fear fear zola will outdo him he signed off on this mission she's more active with the squad and helped salvage it if the squad then captures two major chaos guys that's a win for her not him
This is such a silly argument though. Parading a bunch of rejects down the streets is the best consequence he could think of?
I almost fell for this theory..... then I remembered the lines where rannick was trying to tell Zola also that her obsession on this matter is going to undermine lots of preparations and progress towards capturing Wolfer
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
@@Jo_Plays_GamesCounterpoint. Unlike other ops generally going according to the plan, the Orthus Offensive was a total fustercluck.
1. Informant who provided the intel was compromised. And, judging by the “right where he said you’d be”, likely captured and interrogated. Or has never been on our side to begin with.
2. Since the Moebians knew about the operation, every exfiltration route was cut off, ultimately forcing the Rejects into facing off the twins.
3. The entire area turned out to be a deathtrap.
If Rannick turns out to be loyal after all, it is entirely within reason for someone as level-headed as him to exhaust every available option to exfiltrate the team then pick elimination over capture as a relatively safer option - no need to restrict combat tactics and tools to less-than-lethal ones. It is a reasonable move to cut losses, minimize risks and pull out. Especially for someone as low on resources and manpower as his warband. They wouldn’t be recruiting convicts, nor would they rely on salvaging and repairing busted gear left in the battlefields otherwise. They are both undersupplied and understaffed.
A minor victory is better than a major failure.
Can he be trusted in regards of not betraying the emperor?
Yes i think so
Can he be trusted to not sacrifice us to achieve something?
Nah
the fact that i NEVER noticed Rannick up in some balcony there the whole time now has me snapping from trusting him over Zola, to not trusting him at all.
What, why
Zola is doing the same thing on the walkway above the hallway leading from spawn to the mission terminal
That's disappointing as an inquisition potential agent you must be aware of everything at all times
Ranick has bottom of the barrel troops and low numbers of them, him not wanting to waste them in a pointless mission that more likely than now will end with the rejects death seems a sensible thing to do even more when his states that the wants to demoralize the mobians instead of killing the heads right ahead
i just noticed how thick wolfer's arms are in his cell, we sure he ain't double dipping with Khorne on his off time?
At this point I don't think we can be sure about anything.
That's because they're full of worms! #NurgleIsTheStrongest
Another thing to consider, is during the cutscene where they're searching Mara's room and finding chaos symbols allllllllllllllll over the place is a bit heavy handed. Someone who's trying to be a secret cultist isn't going to do that unless they're a complete moron. It doesn't add up that someone could go undetected for so long and be doing something so obvious, seems like a setup. Plus he looks kinda like Zorg from the fifth element.
1. Rinda says "Right where he said you'd be." She did not specify who "he" was. It could be Wolfer, yes, but it is not impossible to be Rannick. If it was Wolfer who told her, where did he get that info?
2. Rannick is quick to try and get the strike team to quit. He knows that, if they succeed, Moebian plans will be undone.
3. As you stated, that call ended far too fast, and Masozi would have said something surely. He wants us to go down there and die.
4. Rannick would have wanted to capture the Karnak twins. He would have had a field day interrogating them if he was loyal.
5. As stated, he does sidestep Zola's question.
6. After the mission, Rannick censored the after action report. Certainly he would have at least given it to Zola or Grendel considering they both had a hand in this mission.
All arrows point to Rannick either being incredibly incompetent, or he has loyalties to another party...
1. My money’s on compromised Wyrmwood agent. They probably captured him and pulled the information out of him.
Betrayal seems like it would be really hard on a ship full of literal mind readers.
I've spent a year playing this game, just hanging out in the Mourningstar, but I never realized that was Rannick in the Atrium looking down at the operations deck at the rejects.
Hahahaha, don't worry, you're not the only one!
On the hole Twins business, I am on Rannick's side of the issue.
Zola was shooting from the hip, acting on vague intel and putting by then proven operators at risk to pursue a personal agenda (as evident by her log entries).
I mean there are "targets of opportunity" and "taking initiative", the Twins mission could have gone south on so many levels.
We have to take operational security into account and ask ourselves how many wormwood agents and other types of shadow operations Zola's stunt has compromised and if the death or capture of the Twins would have been worth it.
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
When darktide versus comes in its gonna be zola v rannick
I trust him, he's so pleasant toward us all the time!
You thinking he's pleasant checks out.
Can't believe I just found your channel, loving the Darktide content - and binging it!
Thanks so much! Glad you're here!
Great catch on Rannick's side-step! I didn't realize that at all.
Love the channel and the content! Keep it up!
Thank you so much, that means a lot!
Aaaaaaahhh I love your content so much. You’re one of the only creators I’ve considered directly supporting. Thanks for talking about this silly nerd game that’s captured all of our hearts!!!! ❤
You're so sweet, thank you! I just am so excited anyone even watches my lunatic raving, and am eternally grateful for you all. ❤️
#justice4rannick #totallynotcorrupted #nurglefriends
Could you please lean into the microphone and state who your allegiance is to? We'll be keeping it on record.
I AM A WARRIOR!!
It’s weird for me because mara vinci seemed super nice (i did not spot her lurking around in the cutscenes) and was another cool unique vendor in the lobby and then turned out to be the traitor, while rannick has obvious sneering villain vibes. He looks like a mix between a sleazy pirate second in command type of character and a scheming royal advisor, doesn’t seem to be liked by any of the characters but is instead respected for his authority and manages to make the inquisition uncool. And he’s supposed to be the good guy that we throw ourselves at hordes of heretics for? Dan abnett + fatshark better have some awesome plot points cooking because right now i’m stuck with a zombified cosmetics seller and a very punchable boss.
A lot of the way Rannick is framed in shots and his general mannerisms scream "VILLIAN!"
Frankly, Mara never appeared too likeable for me. From her arrogant body language in cutscene appearances, to “Oh hi, Mark!” bland manner of speech after her actual gameplay appearance. It’s like she’s trying to sound nice and hospitable by saying appropriate things, but forgets to fake the proper tone for it. When people wish you a good day with that tone, it’s obvious they, at best, don’t give a darn whether you’ll have a good day, if not outright wish for the opposite.
@@zaniatnik Oh, i got autism so i didn't pick up on those cues lmao.
plot twist, we're all still in the ice queen's chairs.
I think another reason Rannick was upset was Zola lying that he had given her authority to gain access to a lot of the resources she then blundered to Wolfer. Losing rejects is one thing, but Wyrmwood agents are harder to replace and more dangerous to lose to the enemy. The vox intercept of Rannick's conversation with Morrow explicitly states this, and in the same vox Rannick states that he finds it oddly quiet, which I think could suggest they had some sort of plan to engage the enemy that oddly never showed up. I think there's defintely some past between Zola and Wolfer, and Wolfer is exploiting that in getting Zola to play right into his hands.
The problem I have with that is that we don't have the opportunity to hear what Zola said first hand. When she argues to Rannick that Grendyl gave her and free hand and he doesn't tell her right then and there to STFU because she's wrong - I think that says A LOT.
Perhaps Zola said something to Morrow about having full authority and he misinterpreted it as having Rannick's, but instead she had Grendyl's, which would supersede Rannick.
@@Jo_Plays_Games Yeah, that could just as easily be correct too. I don't trust either of them regardless. They're both more trustworthy than Masozi though; there's no way she wasn't cheating at that last hand of cards!
Another great video! No one trusts the Inquisition! They have lies within lies. Rannick may be corrupt, however, he is of a higher rank than Zola , and inquisitors never share info with those who are not their rank. Then there is the constant issue of many Inquisitors being horribly ambitious, even to the point of being harmful to their own cause. I am wondering if Zola may or may not be related to the Karnak twins. That is something that neither she nor Rannick would want anyone to know.
I don't think he is a traitor but I do think he knows more then he lets on, and leans more into "holding the line" rather then risking a major loss, because of this.
Possibly!
Something as simple as 'hiring rejects was a Hail Mary move to save the day in the first place, we lose too many of them and it's Exterminatus time'. Pretty much says so in one of the trailers. A perspective that Zola is too emotionally invested to see. And, we are no longer lowly rejects: we've succeded when others have failed, shipmistress Brahms comes to watch us work, engseer 'Whatshisface' expresses gratitude, you get the picture.
of course he cant be trusted. not even because he might be traitor. even a loyalist inquisitor or interrogator could sell nearly anyone out at any point if he thinks it might accomplish the mission. but we dont have any choice, yet
I'm glad I waited to sober up before watching this. awesome video, jo
Hahahaha, thanks, Parker!
I got a theory to some degree: What if Rannick knows that there's some kind of Chaos portal that the rejects are being fed to as part of the Cauldron? All the monstrosities we see in Tertium somewhat require a connection to the Warp to be stable, like the Beasts of Nurgle and the Chaos Spawn. Maybe he knows that there's something deeper and doesn't want Zola to unknowingly feed the portal/sacrificial chamber?
Maybe... They kind of run that risk every time they go on a mission, though. If they're going to be used as sacrifices, they'd be used any time they fail the Emperor. Rannick's decision to have a complete fit the one time we go on a mission that would truly be invaluable and actively capture a member of the enemy who would have vast knowledge under interrogation is just strange.
While I find it suspicious that he doesn’t want to capture two of the three most important people to our enemy I have a suspicion that Grendel had a hand in not wanting the twins to be brought it. Not sure why but we’ll have to see
Hmmm good points, seems like it could go either way. More Warhammer media I see though the more the person who appears evil has a good chance of being a good guy too. Especially if they are an Interrogator or something.
Yeah, I kinda want to believe Rannick is a seems evil, but is really actually mostly just smart, callous, and manipulative.
And also kinda evil, but Imperium evil, not chaos evil.
We'll see eventually I guess!
i personally think he was responsible for wulfers initial capture (and possibly escape) hoping to use tertiums plight to secure his promotion to full inquisitor since the initial capture wasn't enough, he organized the escape. and i think zola bringing either twin or both in would possibly move her a step closer to his rank which he won't allow while he's not an inquisitor himself the last part is my gut instinct because he emits a superiority complex in every interaction with her or any member of the war band he speaks with
So the "fake call to messosi " I read it as grendyle interrupting ranicks extraction of the rejects and telling him to carry out the mission especially since grendyle comes of as the type of inquisitor that only his uper Escalon know who or what he looks like
Hmmmmmmm, that's a possibility!
If there is one person who isn’t a traitor on the mourningstar, it’s Rannick.
I've come to realize this is correct, just because I genuinely think he'd be too stupid to figure out how defecting works.
Of course he can’t be trusted. He’s hogging that cool revolver. If he was really on our side he would let us use it once or twice
He's so rude.
@@Jo_Plays_GamesI also want to mention, the name of the update where this all started
The “traitors curse” is when all this started happening with the carnival district and the offensive
After all it’s the “traitor’s curse”
The “traitor” seems to be already rooted out yes? (The zealot that now sells us shitty cosmetics) So what traitor is giving us a curse????
I’m probably reaching hard but I like to believe that wolfer knows something about rannick that he told zola, maybe while monologuing about how “he will escape and blah blah blah” And zola is desperate to confirm her suspicions without being publicly executed by the man who may very well be the source of a very large problem, a problem she’s trying to solve
I think rannick is a red hearing
He is the usual, bad guy looking bad guy... so he can actually be the good guy, and for the imperium who is in the universe of "there is no good guys" it makes sense that as part of the inqisution, who, by "normal" standards are bad guys, looks like a bad guy, but by the standards of the lore, is loyal.
This is all fair and reasonable but his shit fit specifically in the Othrus Offensive still makes 0 sense to me.
@Jo.Plays.Games. well thats fair, we'll only see once Obese Fish finally gives us some more recent lore, because id argue anything that is available before lvl 30, or that uses pre lvl 30 dialogue, is kind of like the episodic tv series, in the state that it never progresses above us being just some rejects, while the offensive is quite propably, the FURTHEST and most recent lore (i didnt get to play the train, so i have no idea on what lore was in it)
The train level Rolling Steel is still in the game! As far as the lore, it's interesting because as the game has continued, some of the mission intros have changed to make the point of the mission fit more in sequence with newer missions. The best example I have is Metal Fab 36, sometimes the mission intro is that we're going in there to secure it again so we can start making true Moebian steel since we secured it in Clandestium Gloriana.
New to the series and loving the videos. I think “Morning star” itself suggests betrayal, 40k does not shy away from biblical parallels.
I've had the same thought regarding "Mourningstar." Verrrryyyy on the nose...
What if Rannick was bluffing and would have shot us as the traitor if we had reacted with the same panic?
Also, the hologram scene is sus : the change of voice might be the tech glitching but also a redacting of the initial message from Grendyl.
I could see Rannick just doing that to make an example of anyone. I VERY much want more info about Grendyl from the game.
The whole uprising was generated by Rannick using Zola so that Rannick could quell it and make himself worthy of ascension.
I could see it!
Small correction, but rannick never said extraction in the first place was impossible. He said ALTERNATE extraction was impossible. He was arguing for you guys to be extracted before the designated extraction point which is through the path of the twins. He even says “the only way out is through”
OBEY THE CAT, I didn't noticed that he maybe doing a call I was assuming that he might just have contacted extraction ready
Sooo rannick is a genestealer then right?... righhht?
Obviously yes.
Its Zola. She got a secret she doesnt know about remember? IMO
This is great, I never realised some things you are pointing out. I love this game so much, I do hope they add more bits like in the Morningstar with more social things to do and more missions where things are happening during the mission making it feel much more interesting and as if the story of each matters. Like how in the orthus offensive. the map is clearly in the future with that area being visibly more damaged since we last arrived like with those collapsed bridges and the lot. I love the environmental story telling.🥵 I’m also getting the vibe both rannik and zola are “hiding something” something similar but also completely different something that rannik might ask about, but with the slightest mention doesn’t want to hear about it hm because he already has a few ideas? They might seem to know tiny bits of each others hidden agendas.
I am getting the feeling more and more that the "two Zolas" have to do with whatever personal connection she has to Wolfer, and somewhere deep down she carries a small hope he can still be saved.
something you have to remember about warhammer is that knowledge can be extremely corrupting, any personal question that she had to ask the twins could be used as a form of leverage leading to her corruption, that's if the information she seeks isn't corrupting itself. And that possibility is extremely dangerous considering the power and knowledge Zola has, and the damage to moral that would occur if she turns. Killing the twins is the best possibility to prevent that, retreating and leaving them alive would just make it more difficult to reach them later, and might make Zola act even more erratically. I would not be surprised if the story progresses with Zola being restricted significantly for her actions, or worse
I love the battle cry Obey My Cat !!!!! to good
Thanks!
An interrogator without any interest in interrogating the enemy. Hmmmmmm...
Right???
All Inquisition hierarchy have plans that are more complicated than any gordeon knot. Wheels within wheels, within wheels.
Rannick probably venting somewhere. So sus.
Actually, this all makes a lot of sense! Rannick is tying up loose ends to cover his own ass. Either the traitor was an accomplice or an innocent, and rather than INTERROGATE her, he shoots her to keep her silence. Either way, he throws her under the bus to cover his arse.
The Karnak Twins are a little more obscure. Presumably they're either an obstacle to him, or they know something incriminating about him, so he wants them dead, and he tries to enaure we don't get back safely in case we found something out.
Awesome video! Really made me rethink the story and characters. 😊
Thanks so much for watching! I agree with your assessment 100%.
I don’t believe Rannick actually cares about the lives for our dear lil rejects, rather he cares for the material cost for throwing constant squads of rejects stacked with equipment to die at the hands of the twins, of whom it is stated the twins have been butchering reject squads before the Orthus Offensive. Plus the morale argument does make sense, letting our lil squad of rejects just walk into an obvious trap could undo a lot of the good we have done in our missions.
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
It could be that Ranick is prolonging the war instead of trying end it he could easily be using these convicts as sacrifices and doesn’t want decisive action to be taken like killing Wolfer and is much more willing to let the rejects risk killing one of the twins instead since it’d be too difficult to explain why he doesn’t want what’s happening.
Ah shit, that cats pretty convincing...
Thanks! He's a cutie for sure. It's one of the more popular channel point redemptions on stream, when people summon him.
My insight on this would be.
If Ranboi is a bad guy:
1. He is a heretic in disguise.
If Ranboi is on our side and doing this the Inquisitorial way (Confusing af)
1. He lost the Favor of Grendyl and don't want others to outshine him (Zola succeeding on this would boost her rank, even out shadowing him) because somehow, a TRAITOR have Boarded the very vessel Grendyl have and is on for a long time.
2. Might be risky taking another Heretic on board (judging how Fked they got last time they have one). Remember, you ALWAYS kill your targets on this game. Don't know why but, have you seen a capture a target mission? Didn't think so.
3. Rannick knows something about Zola that he tries to hide away from her. Remember when the rejects kept on talking about Zola hiding something that she doesn't know about? I hope it's not like something cliche like Zola being a sibling or a cousing to Wolfer though. Christ.
I obeyed your cat.
You are amazing, and my cat thanks you! I do, too. Thank you!
@@Jo_Plays_Games first and foremost I am Lion, *meow* :D
Rannick: Everyone is a Suspect (but never me) ;)
Maybe Grendyl suspects Rannick which is why they let zola off with a slap on the wrist.
Well Rannick is the one who makes her sign the list of her misdeeds. I'm VERY interested in exactly how true Grendyl giving Zola a free hand is, because if Rannick is getting in the way of that - that's a problem no matter why it's happening.
@@Jo_Plays_Games Thats very interesting, if Rannick is getting in the way of Grendyl giving Zola the free hand, is he doing it for what he thinks is Grendyl's benefit? that doesn't seem like something that would fly, even if it was for Grendyls benefit, and Rannick should know that the most. It really seems like more than conjecture that something is up with Rannick.
maybe he is just a stuck up fool that doesnt like thinking outside of the box and doesnt trust zola because she is from tertium, and he could be a traitor, but the whole orthus offensive was sus asf
That could be!
"Innocence proves nothing."
He doesn’t want us to have a chance at Rinda, he wants boo all to himself!
DON'T THEY LOOK DESPERATE, BROTHA!
You never change, Sistah! Always playing with your food!@@Jo_Plays_Games
@@Jo_Plays_Games she was talking about me personally.
Oh yes, she will be mine.
Rannic is either a traitor or incompetently written, no in between. Even early on when we had no real story, Rannic opting to shoot the traitor in the ending was such a poor decision. He's an interrogator... you don't think he might have better things to do with a spy then shoot them in the back and magically make a servitor out of a dead body? lol
@Acesahn right? He's either entirely utterly incompetent, or hiding something.
Hello will you talk about the journal entries? Honestly I was kinda disappointed when the last one dropped and it said Zola was just to continue in the warband as normal. The entries up to the seventh one were hyping up the uncertainty of her future and how lost she was. Nothing has changed in the end. I hoped the events of the Orthus Offensive would've had a bigger impact. Or is there something I'm missing...
edit I like Rannick I want to believe he's loyal but you have a lot of convincing arguments in this video
Thanks so much! I would talk about the journal entries, but at least in this case, I didn't find too much helpful information. We already knew Zola gets returned to duty, because after you complete the Orthus Offensive for the first time with any character and then go back to the Orthus Offensive on the mission board, she says, "By now you'll have heard that I've been returned to duty."
So....we already knew she was going to be fine. I don't understand why Fatshark keeps doing things in a weird, wonky order. 🤷♀️
Questioning the decisions and orders of an agent of the inquisition... I see.
(Guards, this one.)
very cute cate, boop them pls
He has been booped and patted!
God damn! It's caturday, so I will subscribe...
Thank you!
My thoughts exactly.
He is not trustworthy.
Sorry i know im a year late but i need some help, since im not very well versed in 40k content. On the subject of traitors on the ship, how many loyalist techpriests have green eye lenses? All the loyalist ones ive seen have blue, except hadron who has green. But ive seen multiple canon hereteks with green lenses, and this wouldnt be weirding me out so much if we werent fighting a nurgle cult. I cant remember who says the voiceline, but someone in darktide talks about hadrons augmetics looking brand knew, while their flesh is ancient
That's a really good question. I'm not sure if there's a standard color-coded set of augments typically seen on hereteks vs loyalists. Maybe it has to do with what their "specialization" is? Enginerseer vs technoarcheologist, etc?
From what I know about 40k there's no way rannick is a traitor, at worst he's commiting a traitorous act by trying to cover up that he got the wrong guy and then said there were no more traitors, but he's directly under Grendyl who's a full on inquisitor, if he was a heretic of the dark powers Grendyl would 1000% know even if he was busy doing something else.
I am still suspicious of Zola herself.
To be honest, they are both acting EXTREMELY suspiciously.
It's not at all impossible that Rannick is hiding some sinister motive.
But what if his attempt to "cover up" and shut down Zola is because Rannick himself is aware of the "Two Zolas" or whatever's going on with her.
If this is the case, we can also safely assume Rannick has a far better idea of what's going on with Zola than we (as players and rejects) currently do.
It might also be possible, that the "free hand" Zola has been given by Grendyl was actually to see what SHE would do if given more independence, and not at all as a gesture of trust.
I don't know why it was important for Rannick to take such a direct and heavy hand though. I think maybe he would prefer the Rejects dead because they were listening in on a sensitive top-secret investigation that he is doing of Zola?
But then why the order to kill the twins? I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't want one captured, unless it has something to do with keeping Zola away from them, perhaps again in relation to the "two Zolas"?
But then she was also right there on the prison ship WITH Wolfer, and it's not like that had any kind of strange effect on her. She just wanted to know what he knows.
Anyway, that's my alternate stream of consciousness.
I don't even necessarily believe any of what I just wrote, it's all "maybies" lol
One thing I'd also like to say;
I do enjoy how suspicion is thrown around at different characters.
Zola, Rannick, Morrow, even Grendyl and Brahms have their motives, intentions and loyalties questioned at different times.
I think it's interesting and opens the doors for many possibilities moving forward.
All of these are valid! As Darktide goes on, I think I see Zola being developed as our main character more and more, which makes me think this will be a story about her rise to at least interrogator. I still wonder what the "two Zolas" thing is about, but I think it might have something to do with her having a personal relationship with Wolfer that she needs to come to terms with and get closure.
@@Jo_Plays_Games I kinda hope they give each of the command staff characters (Zola, Morrow, Rannick, and ultimately Grendyl) their own character arcs, which each in their turn tell the over-all story of Darktide.
If Zola is getting her own story and development atm, I hope they share it around later down the line rather than focus on one character and making her the "main character", so to speak.
Regardless, I'm along for the ride!
Could Grendyl be a rouge Inquisitor like Quixos? Could the outbreak on Atoma be a result of Grendyl's effort to suppress a greater evil? Could that threat be a genestealer cult, as they attract the hive fleets? You can defeat Chaos, but Tyranids require exterminatus.....
Investigate the Commadore. I'm sure she's up to something. Some of the voice lines...
Yeah but I like her because we can trust her to be forthright about her untrustworthy activities.
I've never seen Inquisitors being 'zealous', they've always been 'dogmatic'.
40K has one constant theme: zeal/emotion leads to chaos.
Even the RIGHT ACTION will lead to Chaos if done for the Wrong Motive.
Zola made the right move - but the intense drive leads to corruption.
IRL: I disagree with this.
But 40K Lore: condemns Zola.
I feel members of the Inquisition distrusting even each other sounds almost cliche to the point I wonder if it's calculated misdirection. I also agree I don't feel the traitor story is done, and I think it goes back to the very intro clip narrated by the Rogue Trader Brahms.
We see a trip through the warp where one of the ship crew start to spark, a psyker looks like they're having a smite seizure and probably explains why the Gellar Field fails and the warp entities seep into the ship. Something happened before the Mourningstar arrived at Atoma Prime and nobody on the ship seems to know about it. Perhaps if it was sabotage, Rannick could have been involved and yeah maybe he pinned it on one of the rejects to hide his secret.
Still sticking with my theory Grendyl is dead and either Hadron is mimicking him, or perhaps he's sharing a head with her. This would clearly be a heretical act, buuuut... we're on a Rogue Trader's ship, and they are given considerable deference to operate outside of the Imperium's laws. I seriously don't think Grendyl would requisition the Mourningstar just because he could, there's probably a gazillion friggin ships in the Imperium so why choose Brahms' ship? The Wikia's seem to think Brahms is in Grendyl's retinue just based on dialogs here and there, I think the situation is reversed.
I think Brahms part in this story goes entirely ignored by many, but the fact she narrates the intro makes me wonder if she's a much bigger player in everything going on.
If Grendyl were living in Hadron's head I imagine Hadron must be working in cahoots with someone. I've heard tech priests can be very dark, and have an even greater sense of the dispensibility of other fleshy humans when it comes to achieving their own motivations. I can't imagine what Rannick could offer Hadron to get her to agree to conspire with him, but I could totally see Brahms promising Hadron some primo newly discovered ancient tech that'd make Hadron drool if she could, or maybe even Hadron working with the Rogue Trader because being in Brahms' retinue would give her a chance to salvage xeno tech without fear of it being deemed heretical.
As for Rannick, if he is being treacherous then I'm not sure his aims are heretical necessarily, in way of doing the bidding of the forces of chaos, but perhaps too ambitious. Wikia suggests Brahms never liked Rannick at all, really hates the this whole Rejects situation. Perhaps Brahms had more pull with Grendyl than other way around, Brahms wanted to have Grendyl squash this Rejects strategy but that would piss off Rannick, and he's trying to gain rank as an Inquisitor himself, and perhaps he sabotaged the Gellar Field in hopes to take out both Brahms and Grendyl to further his own ascension, if that would help him gaining rank as an Inquisitor, and/or maybe even taking over the Rogue Trader's ship.
I don't think the gellar field failed, that was just the normal amount of daemonic incursion during warp transit. If the field had failed, everyone on the ship would be extremely dead.
I've heard it varies, that trips through warp with no Gellar Field have miraculously resulted in nothing happening, and the opposite even the most brief lapse of protection can have devastating consequences.
It's a stretch. I don't think they go that far. Keeping in mind they still need to write a story that has the Inquisition as the "Shining good guys" with the tone of "this is a dictatorship" still. I think using Rannick as another "mole" makes sense but from what the story has shown and implies. Words used, it sounds like they are taking it more of the literal route. Where as players who know nothing of 40k, need to see and feel we are prisoners and the Inquisition is our ONLY salvation in this world. Having rannick, basically Number 2 of the warband be traitor, imo, wouldn't be the correct route with what's been laid. But hey if he is, that haircuts gonna be fun to watch singe off.
I want to burn his stupid hair. Also, I get the sense that Zola is the main character of Darktide, and I have a gut feeling that it's going to be the story of her rise to at least interrogator. I think she's one of the rare ones that will get fast-tracked to inquisitorship, she's just TOO deeply involved with every facet of the story. That's part of why I feel Rannick is going down.
I agreed with Rannick. I agree with Zola more. Getting one of the twins would be invaluable to get to Wolfer and perform a decapitation strike. Rannick could have gone along with her plan. The team was there already anyways.
I doubt either of them are traitors.
could be the inquisistion was responsable for the events that led to the outbreak, and the actions taken could be interprated as damage and information control.
Not saying they're in bed with nurgle, but more their operations opened the door that let the rot take hold.
Demonhosts are typically made and used by inquisitorial forces after all.
Rejects are also great as agents in this manner as any information they learn can either be mind wiped or exacuted without question.
So off the top of my head, inquisistion was useing some sanctioned heresy on the fringe worlds but some of it slipped their grasp, now shits gone horribley wrong and we're on cleanup.
The great rift could also very well be a convienent excuse to not call in reinforcments, last thing you want is more witnesses to your fuckup outside your command. Keep it in house as it were.
I kinda feel like you are missing that the Warband by now is more valued than at the beginning, considering we are now the elite of the warband, veterans of hundreds of Missions. Rannick is right in trying to stop Chaos from getting a free Kill on us.
That's actually not true. Canonically, we have to assume the Rejects are under level 30 and not officially part of the warband for this mission, since you can access it at difficulty level 2 and it isn't level cap gated.
@ Eh, my rejects are there since beta, they should be respected. I don’t agree that we must assume they are under level 30 when most player are not. I feel like players below 30 are more of the exception than players above that.
@ if anything access should be seen as purely player focused more so than lore focused.
@bbdf21 we also must not assume that content is intended to be played with the assumption your character is max level and fully inducted in a game with no formal mission sequence structure.
@@Jo_Plays_Games I disagree, then there would be little point in becoming max level when its never recoqgnized.
its cuz the secret files are the movies hes made with Hadron late night in the secret chambers of the Mourningstar
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With Zola’s openly admitting to using information from a known corrupt contact and sending you into a known trap I can understand him being upset, perhaps he’s a bit sus but Ye having us walk into an ambush face first is a pretty bad move all in all
I guess I just don't agree with this perspective partially because Fatshark is consistently committing the narrative sin of not adhering to "show don't tell." Rannick TELLS us all that, but, we have no real reason to trust or believe him as an audience. What we get shown as an audience is how effective we are, Wolfer ratcheting up in frustration and rage over our strike teams being so effective, knowing that his forces are scattered and often strung out, etc. Fatshark hasn't given us any real reason to think that there's some huge risk at stake for carrying out the Orthus Offensive, because it seems like a no-brainer if Grendyl wanted Wolfer to question - likely to find out what's behind the 6th's fall to Chaos, then grabbing his top lieutenants is the next best thing to start getting that info.
Zola was corrupted by the nurgle blade she should have died too.
Wait...what?
He is hiding in the closet, nothing else.
-Geneste!.... :D
He didn’t kill zola for insubordination and going off script, sus clearly not a real interrogator
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30 seconds in, and I already knew this is going to be a trash hamstrung take on Rannick.
Genestealers!