Weird bet: Resurrected "Karnak" will be a singular, two headed figure. The two would have mixed feelings on this, but will get used to being a single being.
........How did I not see that? You're probably right on the money, given "Orthus" is a two headed dog. I was figuring it was metaphorical, but, I could totally see them going literal with it.
That being said, even if he did have their bodies in cold storage, Grandfather wouldn't need their bodies to promote them to poxbringers - he'd only need their souls to gestate in the Garden for a while. Rannick's sketchy sometimes, but most Inquisitorial agents in his spot would seem it. Trusting him or not doesn't change that Grandfather doesn't need the bodies.
The thing that really gets me about Rannick is the role reversal he seems to be pulling on Zola. Traditionally, Interrogators are known to be overly zealous in all of their business because they know the eyes of the Inquisition are constantly upon them, judging harshly if they can make the cut as Inquisitor or not. For Grendyl specifically to have want Wolfer brought in to be interrogated, that tells us bringing high profile Moebian traitors in alive is likely a very high priority. For Rannick to tell us rejects that NEITHER Karnak twin is to be brought in alive, admonish Zola for carrying out a mission to do so, and then chastise her for zealotry is very strange. It seems far more in line with an Interrogator character to be on board with her strategy. Especially when you consider that in the Orthus Offensive, after facing Rodin alone for the first time, Zola and Rannick argue about the potential cost of bringing one of them in. Zola retorts, "Grendyl gave me a free hand." Rannick doesn't argue against this or tell her she's wrong/lying, he side steps it and ignores it. If Grendyl did NOT give her a free hand, Rannick would have surely called her out on that. So Zola is effective and knowledgeable enough to be given a free hand to bring in high value targets, but Rannick seems to be outright sabotaging her.
I mean daemons proper are kinda an infohazard. Sometimes just knowing that they exist can drive you mad, and/or get you executed for heresy (also, see what the Grey Knights do to civilian survivors). I think Rannick might have actually had our (and Zola's) best interests at heart here...
As someone who is only familiar with the 40K universe through Darktide as of now, I appreciate you explaining the lore in a way that newcomers can grasp
Hey, thanks! That's been my goal to try and meet both long-time fans that are super into the lore AND newcomers where they're at and bring some goofiness into the Warhammer content creator community. Your feedback means so much!
Great video! Well done! Cannibalism is actually super common in 40K. Corpse-starch is a synthetic food made up form the recycled remains of dead humans, and is a big staple for the people living in Hive cities. There are whole gangs that spend their entire lives processing this stuff. They tend to fall to chaos due to their jobs.
.....shhhhhhhhhh. We don't talk about the corpse starch. I also am genuinely not sure what the implication of prion disease risk would be for something so heavily processed.
I think corpse startch is used incase of emergencies and is heavily frowned upon by the imperium, i remember reading through the gaunts ghosts novels and they had normal rations like everyone else.
@@leekent3587 no, corpse startch is what the middle class poor people get to eat. and the poor people becom the corpse startch. but the only ones that allow to make it are the Mercator Pallidus or corpse guilds.
I swear to god. If they ever come back after being blessed while being merged into one and saying "Now, we are one, brother/sister" cliche. I'll just summon a Greater Daemon of Khorne to Alt+Tab+Del that shi.
... are you ok? That the better thing that could happen, but yeah i suppose you think is better of them to stay death and lose content, okah okay, i understand, have a nice day
@@Jo_Plays_Games curious development but I can't seem to find that Vox Intercept on their channel anymore. Seems like they took it down, maybe someone uploaded something a bit earlier then planned on accident.
@smellyflounder7544 apparently they took it down because of an ongoing issue with one of the voice actors in it. It got removed within a few days of when it got put up. It's very strange
Usually when you fight a villain and then learn more about them afterward its to shed some new light on their motives or how they became evil, sort of like how borderlands the pre sequel showed you how jack became handsome jack, its that sympathy for the devil where you consider your prior actions in a new light. The reason it doesn't work so well here is because after learning more about the twins I don't feel bad for them at all.
@@Jo_Plays_Games It just sorta clicked in my head all of a sudden xD Also tyvm for making those videos! I genuinely like the way you express yourself and present your points a lot ^w^
Rinda is my favourite character so to see her character development of being the herald of admonition is really sick, and to see her wanting to avenge her brother. I saw mention of a transformation and honestly I hope they don’t butcher her character design
Personally I'm of the mind that I hope they change her character model and make her a full blown daemon. It's high time we see one of the super iconic ones in Darktide.
The Karnak Twins already were a nightmare to fight, but them coming back as Daemons is going to leave us with some PTSD. It really shows we are not ever going to stand a chance against a single Plaguemarine. (lore wise at least)
At least one of them isn’t dead. The mission briefing states that we should kill one and leave the other alive for interrogation. And as you point out, one is still twitching. Which seems an obvious nod to the one left alive. Kinda surprised you didnt mention this important point in the video
Rannick's speech after you get back on the Mourningstar after the Orthus Offensive states "there's no telling how the death of the Karnak twins will change the battle for Tertium." Zola's Journal 8 here: www.playdarktide.com/news/zolas-journal---viii states she wasn't permitted to view the bodies. Rannick is insistent the entire mission that we kill the Karnak twins. We completely deplete their health bars in the fight, as opposed to every other encounter with them where they are left with health. There is nothing to indicate that any of the characters on the Mourningstar should not believe they're dead, except for the wink and nod to us as the audience through the trope stinger twitch at the end of the cutscene. I suppose it isn't impossible that Rannick took Rinda for interrogation, and it was all an act to try and keep things under wraps because Inquisition, but given his insistence they die, I think it's far more likely he was counting on either the Karnaks or the Rejects to get killed, and either outcome was satisfactory to him.
One of the main points of the mission is to develop that tension building between Rannick and Zola, by pitting Zola's objective of taking a twin alive against Rannick's authority over Zola and his ability to override her desired outcome.
@@lv1543 ehhh, may depend on how many rejects were 'canonically' sent to their death chasing the twins. The read I've had from Zola's journals is that MANY rejects died before Rannick actually caught onto the off-book missions.
*_"You don't start with the conclusion and try to build up your audience's expectation_** for **_that conclusion."_* And yet that's _very_ common in Warhammer 40k lore, so it fits!! xD (Jokes aside, side materials still have a better story than most 40k lore books. ;/)
Zola wanted at least one of them alive for interrogation. She's an Explicator, which is a rank below Interrogator. Rannick is our Interrogator, and he wanted them both dead. Which I find weird
I might end up looking stupid for this as i’m only partly through the video, but isn’t it specifically Dan Abnett writing for this game? Might be a collaborative effort between him and fatshark writers though. Anyway as a reader of his stuff for black library i trust he’ll do fine here.
No one is ever stupid for anything here! He's credited as a writer, but I've seen at least one official dev blog/announcement that it's more of a collab. I'm still not 100% if he IS the main writer or more of just a lore consultant, but he's definitely not the narrative director. That's a separate credit.
He's credited as a writer on IMDB, but I've seen at least one official dev blog/announcement that it's more of a collab. I'm still not 100% if he IS the main writer or more of just a lore consultant, but he's definitely not the narrative director. That's a separate credit.
Whatever level peeps are comfortable with, we usually end up doing rotations between people since there's a max of 4 per mission. Lately, Damnation or Auric. But I'm always fine with playing at a lower difficulty if there's someone who's new or not as confident.
@@Jo_Plays_Games Nice! I'm not new, but I AM trash! Trash only worthy of Grandfather's love! That being said, I'd be down to play (fr I can do Heresy most of the time)! I could maybe pull off a damnation with my Vet and a strong teammate willing to carry me a little bit when I struggle 😬😅😋
@@coopergraveline4533 We've got an amazing Discord community and a lot of people there are CRACKED in Darktide. They're also super friendly nerds with a huge variety of interests. I don't think I'd be getting through as many Damnation runs if it weren't for the amazing people there. I play with a lot of them during streams, it's a very fun time! You should come by for the next one, and if we do a damnation and it just isn't clicking, we can always adjust down Heresy - easy peasy!
I just hopes fatsharks brings out any news about anything really. their vox silience after taking their holiday is leaveing me begging for any short of new on any updates any game related stuff other than the premium outfits. Like i feel like there isn't much to do really anymore. Like the content they do realese only last for a few hours (kinda like they said they wanted to avoid during their appology letter, have us play for weeks not hours) i'm lv 30 on all classes, have most of the blessing on most of the guns. Worked my way up to be able to do damnation missions which know seem too easy. Other than changing the meta builds i don't really have anything to play for anymore. The time between comlinks getting longer and longer i really wonder if fatshark has in a way given up on the game. (Even though they have not) Like i feel like having 180 empolyees with like 90 people each on darktide and vermintide 2 since both games do get updated i feel like its shouldn't take that long for an update to be released and heck the CM (communtiy manager) don't really do the job they have been given if they are so radio silenced like they are. And the stuff like zola's journals being on the darktide website where most are not on most of the time they miss the journals that should be pointed to more or posted somewhere more people are active so the players don't miss out on important lore. I just hope fatshark come out with a comlink or any noise to let us know stuff really soon because my hope is slowly fading away.
I definitely feel this. I can't imagine that we'll have a repeat of last year where we go something crazy like 9 months between update communications, but part of me still worries we will (especially as a Darktide content creator). I still have faith that things are going to get tighter and more consistent, eventually, but I still find the first year of Darktide kind of shocking in a lot of different ways. From the shoddy PC launch that 100% was Early Access without calling it that, to what we're seeing currently with supplemental narrative blog and vox releases that seem to be a bit behind what's happening in the actual game. I'm sure some of it is intentional and they have reasons that make sense on their end, but from an audience perspective, it just looks messy and unorganized. But with how high quality the actual gameplay itself is, and how much work they put into the voice acting and (presumably) the storyline, it seems unlikely they'd just abandon or phone it in. 40k is so much more immensely popular compared to Warhammer Fantasy, I still can't wrap my head around how much publication hype and potentially money Fatshark is leaving on the table by not including even the most basic iconic Nurgle daemons like plaguebearers, Nurglings, etc, early in the game's life. Especially since basic Nurgle cultists are so boring now after having had the same thing in Vermintide 2.
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Me when theres no flavor (there wasnt any sport)
Why even bother???
you allways played with your food
Weird bet: Resurrected "Karnak" will be a singular, two headed figure. The two would have mixed feelings on this, but will get used to being a single being.
........How did I not see that? You're probably right on the money, given "Orthus" is a two headed dog. I was figuring it was metaphorical, but, I could totally see them going literal with it.
If one or both of the twins are alive i feel like that throws even more shade on Rannick. After all, he said they were both dead.
I don't trust Rannick.
He’s hiding something for sure
That being said, even if he did have their bodies in cold storage, Grandfather wouldn't need their bodies to promote them to poxbringers - he'd only need their souls to gestate in the Garden for a while. Rannick's sketchy sometimes, but most Inquisitorial agents in his spot would seem it. Trusting him or not doesn't change that Grandfather doesn't need the bodies.
The thing that really gets me about Rannick is the role reversal he seems to be pulling on Zola. Traditionally, Interrogators are known to be overly zealous in all of their business because they know the eyes of the Inquisition are constantly upon them, judging harshly if they can make the cut as Inquisitor or not.
For Grendyl specifically to have want Wolfer brought in to be interrogated, that tells us bringing high profile Moebian traitors in alive is likely a very high priority. For Rannick to tell us rejects that NEITHER Karnak twin is to be brought in alive, admonish Zola for carrying out a mission to do so, and then chastise her for zealotry is very strange. It seems far more in line with an Interrogator character to be on board with her strategy.
Especially when you consider that in the Orthus Offensive, after facing Rodin alone for the first time, Zola and Rannick argue about the potential cost of bringing one of them in. Zola retorts, "Grendyl gave me a free hand." Rannick doesn't argue against this or tell her she's wrong/lying, he side steps it and ignores it. If Grendyl did NOT give her a free hand, Rannick would have surely called her out on that. So Zola is effective and knowledgeable enough to be given a free hand to bring in high value targets, but Rannick seems to be outright sabotaging her.
I mean daemons proper are kinda an infohazard. Sometimes just knowing that they exist can drive you mad, and/or get you executed for heresy (also, see what the Grey Knights do to civilian survivors). I think Rannick might have actually had our (and Zola's) best interests at heart here...
I can't wait to find them on sublevel 5!
But what happened on sublevels 1-3?!?!
As someone who is only familiar with the 40K universe through Darktide as of now, I appreciate you explaining the lore in a way that newcomers can grasp
Hey, thanks! That's been my goal to try and meet both long-time fans that are super into the lore AND newcomers where they're at and bring some goofiness into the Warhammer content creator community. Your feedback means so much!
Great video! Well done! Cannibalism is actually super common in 40K. Corpse-starch is a synthetic food made up form the recycled remains of dead humans, and is a big staple for the people living in Hive cities. There are whole gangs that spend their entire lives processing this stuff. They tend to fall to chaos due to their jobs.
Technically isn't almost everybody in the Warhammer 40k universe a cannibal? I mean they all eat corpse starch
.....shhhhhhhhhh. We don't talk about the corpse starch. I also am genuinely not sure what the implication of prion disease risk would be for something so heavily processed.
maybe in 40k they dont have to worry about it? prob worse things out there@@Jo_Plays_Games
I think corpse startch is used incase of emergencies and is heavily frowned upon by the imperium, i remember reading through the gaunts ghosts novels and they had normal rations like everyone else.
Definitely worse things out there.
@@leekent3587 no, corpse startch is what the middle class poor people get to eat. and the poor people becom the corpse startch. but the only ones that allow to make it are the Mercator Pallidus or corpse guilds.
You were suspiciously firm on not taking one of them alive for interrogation... INTERROGATOR RANNICK.
Right?!
Eliphas the Inheritor came back from dead like three times? Once your soul belongs to Chaos death does not offer an escape anymore.
I swear to god. If they ever come back after being blessed while being merged into one and saying "Now, we are one, brother/sister" cliche. I'll just summon a Greater Daemon of Khorne to Alt+Tab+Del that shi.
... are you ok? That the better thing that could happen, but yeah i suppose you think is better of them to stay death and lose content, okah okay, i understand, have a nice day
Been sick and missing your streams.... Thankfully you posted a video for me.... Thank you
Nooooo! I'm so sorry you've been "blessed" by Nurgle. Thank YOU for watching. I hope you get better and are able to come hang out with us soon!
I once heard there was no flavour without sport, been eating all my food during marathons since
Cooking obstacle courses are the next big thing in reality TV competitions. Hosted by Rinda.
The twins'll be back as some grotesque mutant and we'll have to kill them again.
Herald Rinda is officially confirmed!
With the latest Vox intercept, this video has aged like a fine wine.
@@Voidsman34 Thank you! I think it's time to update the title of this video...
@@Jo_Plays_Games curious development but I can't seem to find that Vox Intercept on their channel anymore. Seems like they took it down, maybe someone uploaded something a bit earlier then planned on accident.
@smellyflounder7544 apparently they took it down because of an ongoing issue with one of the voice actors in it. It got removed within a few days of when it got put up. It's very strange
The suspicion indeed.
A suspicious mind is a healthy mind indeed, Darktide.
I could have been an Inquisitor, with how many signs of HERESY I see everywhere.
"Blessed be thy aim"
I like how you appear to be playing the meta in the gameplay!
Thanks!
I’m very interested to see how Rinda will come back. Probably will ambush our rejects when we least expect it.
I kinda figured one or both of them would come back later on as a named Chaos Spawn or otherwise “Blessed” by Nurgle
You can't spell twin without writing win. More information as it is revealed to me
Yes, today begins the event of Rinda attacking the strike teams with blackouts modifier mission.
And the vox today confirms 100% she IS the Herald of Admonition! And is undergoing some kind of transformation.
Amazing video as always
Thank you!
Usually when you fight a villain and then learn more about them afterward its to shed some new light on their motives or how they became evil, sort of like how borderlands the pre sequel showed you how jack became handsome jack, its that sympathy for the devil where you consider your prior actions in a new light. The reason it doesn't work so well here is because after learning more about the twins I don't feel bad for them at all.
1:11 Is your Surname Smith? If so, thank you so much for all those apples, they are my favourite 😊
Great video btw!
Hahahaha, you put those pieces together to make such a sick and specific burn. 😭
Thanks for watching!
@@Jo_Plays_Games It just sorta clicked in my head all of a sudden xD Also tyvm for making those videos! I genuinely like the way you express yourself and present your points a lot ^w^
I know for a fact that they two are not dead. We have not seen the last of our least favorite cannibals.
Any info you'd like to share with the rest of the class?
@@Jo_Plays_Games Um... WOLFER I AM COMPROMISED! SEND IN THE POX WALKERS!
@@Jo_Plays_Games i hope they return as both twins but in one body. in a twisted way.
Rinda is my favourite character so to see her character development of being the herald of admonition is really sick, and to see her wanting to avenge her brother. I saw mention of a transformation and honestly I hope they don’t butcher her character design
Personally I'm of the mind that I hope they change her character model and make her a full blown daemon. It's high time we see one of the super iconic ones in Darktide.
@@Jo_Plays_Games I think that could be fire as long as something still resembles her
The Karnak Twins already were a nightmare to fight, but them coming back as Daemons is going to leave us with some PTSD.
It really shows we are not ever going to stand a chance against a single Plaguemarine. (lore wise at least)
At least one of them isn’t dead. The mission briefing states that we should kill one and leave the other alive for interrogation. And as you point out, one is still twitching. Which seems an obvious nod to the one left alive. Kinda surprised you didnt mention this important point in the video
Rannick's speech after you get back on the Mourningstar after the Orthus Offensive states "there's no telling how the death of the Karnak twins will change the battle for Tertium." Zola's Journal 8 here: www.playdarktide.com/news/zolas-journal---viii
states she wasn't permitted to view the bodies.
Rannick is insistent the entire mission that we kill the Karnak twins. We completely deplete their health bars in the fight, as opposed to every other encounter with them where they are left with health. There is nothing to indicate that any of the characters on the Mourningstar should not believe they're dead, except for the wink and nod to us as the audience through the trope stinger twitch at the end of the cutscene.
I suppose it isn't impossible that Rannick took Rinda for interrogation, and it was all an act to try and keep things under wraps because Inquisition, but given his insistence they die, I think it's far more likely he was counting on either the Karnaks or the Rejects to get killed, and either outcome was satisfactory to him.
One of the main points of the mission is to develop that tension building between Rannick and Zola, by pitting Zola's objective of taking a twin alive against Rannick's authority over Zola and his ability to override her desired outcome.
eating people in hive citys is not uncommen when you have something like a Corpse Guild
-- Death is a door --
Time is a window.
I don't think they're going to get a daemonhood promotion; it's enough that Rinda just didn't die in the fight because Nurgle willed it.
Turned into stinky chaos spawn for failing nurgle
@@lv1543 ehhh, may depend on how many rejects were 'canonically' sent to their death chasing the twins. The read I've had from Zola's journals is that MANY rejects died before Rannick actually caught onto the off-book missions.
You didn't limp away from HM Karnak Twins if you fought alongside Hemdolsun and his eversor Ogryn Chunkmaiden. If you know, you know.
*_"You don't start with the conclusion and try to build up your audience's expectation_** for **_that conclusion."_*
And yet that's _very_ common in Warhammer 40k lore, so it fits!! xD
(Jokes aside, side materials still have a better story than most 40k lore books. ;/)
I could be mistaken but wasn't the point of that mission to capture both of them. If not one.
Because the interrogator went info
Zola wanted at least one of them alive for interrogation. She's an Explicator, which is a rank below Interrogator.
Rannick is our Interrogator, and he wanted them both dead. Which I find weird
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I mean... I'd vote for a return... but perhaps for different reasons...
Oh? Do tell!
I might end up looking stupid for this as i’m only partly through the video, but isn’t it specifically Dan Abnett writing for this game? Might be a collaborative effort between him and fatshark writers though. Anyway as a reader of his stuff for black library i trust he’ll do fine here.
No one is ever stupid for anything here! He's credited as a writer, but I've seen at least one official dev blog/announcement that it's more of a collab. I'm still not 100% if he IS the main writer or more of just a lore consultant, but he's definitely not the narrative director. That's a separate credit.
Hope Rinda comes back, I can fix her..
You can't fix cannibal, dude.
have you heard of Columbo?
The detective drama from the 60s?
"Just one more thing" @@Jo_Plays_Games
Didn’t Mr Dan Abnett write it? In which case I’m sure it’s all a wonderfully well written thing
He's credited as a writer on IMDB, but I've seen at least one official dev blog/announcement that it's more of a collab. I'm still not 100% if he IS the main writer or more of just a lore consultant, but he's definitely not the narrative director. That's a separate credit.
Okay, small question about joining you to play on your streams... what level do you play at?
Whatever level peeps are comfortable with, we usually end up doing rotations between people since there's a max of 4 per mission. Lately, Damnation or Auric. But I'm always fine with playing at a lower difficulty if there's someone who's new or not as confident.
@@Jo_Plays_Games Nice! I'm not new, but I AM trash! Trash only worthy of Grandfather's love! That being said, I'd be down to play (fr I can do Heresy most of the time)! I could maybe pull off a damnation with my Vet and a strong teammate willing to carry me a little bit when I struggle 😬😅😋
@@coopergraveline4533 We've got an amazing Discord community and a lot of people there are CRACKED in Darktide. They're also super friendly nerds with a huge variety of interests.
I don't think I'd be getting through as many Damnation runs if it weren't for the amazing people there. I play with a lot of them during streams, it's a very fun time!
You should come by for the next one, and if we do a damnation and it just isn't clicking, we can always adjust down Heresy - easy peasy!
Can we get Jo and Mordian Glory in the same darktide game in 2024???
Does he play? I can handle Damnation and Auric, I'm sure I could hang!
UH OH STINKY
Dark tide ....... story............ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Listen the point of not starting at the conclusion and then going back to the beginning is countered by Columbo, l + ratio
I just hopes fatsharks brings out any news about anything really. their vox silience after taking their holiday is leaveing me begging for any short of new on any updates any game related stuff other than the premium outfits.
Like i feel like there isn't much to do really anymore. Like the content they do realese only last for a few hours (kinda like they said they wanted to avoid during their appology letter, have us play for weeks not hours) i'm lv 30 on all classes, have most of the blessing on most of the guns. Worked my way up to be able to do damnation missions which know seem too easy. Other than changing the meta builds i don't really have anything to play for anymore.
The time between comlinks getting longer and longer i really wonder if fatshark has in a way given up on the game. (Even though they have not)
Like i feel like having 180 empolyees with like 90 people each on darktide and vermintide 2 since both games do get updated i feel like its shouldn't take that long for an update to be released and heck the CM (communtiy manager) don't really do the job they have been given if they are so radio silenced like they are. And the stuff like zola's journals being on the darktide website where most are not on most of the time they miss the journals that should be pointed to more or posted somewhere more people are active so the players don't miss out on important lore.
I just hope fatshark come out with a comlink or any noise to let us know stuff really soon because my hope is slowly fading away.
I definitely feel this. I can't imagine that we'll have a repeat of last year where we go something crazy like 9 months between update communications, but part of me still worries we will (especially as a Darktide content creator).
I still have faith that things are going to get tighter and more consistent, eventually, but I still find the first year of Darktide kind of shocking in a lot of different ways. From the shoddy PC launch that 100% was Early Access without calling it that, to what we're seeing currently with supplemental narrative blog and vox releases that seem to be a bit behind what's happening in the actual game. I'm sure some of it is intentional and they have reasons that make sense on their end, but from an audience perspective, it just looks messy and unorganized.
But with how high quality the actual gameplay itself is, and how much work they put into the voice acting and (presumably) the storyline, it seems unlikely they'd just abandon or phone it in. 40k is so much more immensely popular compared to Warhammer Fantasy, I still can't wrap my head around how much publication hype and potentially money Fatshark is leaving on the table by not including even the most basic iconic Nurgle daemons like plaguebearers, Nurglings, etc, early in the game's life. Especially since basic Nurgle cultists are so boring now after having had the same thing in Vermintide 2.
#rannick4inquisitor2024
Hell no.
@@Jo_Plays_Games #justice4rannick
Just ice for Zola, please.
Somehow Palpatine has returned.
But, how?
Don't worry, it's explained in a Fortnite ingame live event!
Haha, funny joke!
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