Every movie you watch is sensationalising some form of trauma… that’s the whole industry. Don’t watch it then because lack of engagement by the people is what will change the industry.
Came here to say the same thing. Who makes an incestrial relationship on a show and defends it? That's really weird. It's clear it's all for shock-value and profit. Absolutely disgusting. There's really no wonder why the Menendez bros hate it. Anyone would if they were portrayed like that. I refuse to watch anything with his name on it.
Ah so because a creep like Dominick Dunne who kept a shirtless photo of underage Erik Menendez framed SAID that he thought the brothers were incestuous, that was enough for you to actually show the brothers showering together like secret lovers? And he didn't address why in the second episode, he showed them kissing and grinding on each ofher. The characterization of Lyle throughout is so one dimensional and cartoonish, and Murphy never makes an effort to show any other side or perspective of him.
NO. You don't have a brain - Ryan shows you what numerous people THOUGHT about the case then, as this is was the reality surrounding the case!! god, people are so stupid here!
@@CatoNumblayeah And I was expecting him to show the perspective of the brothers from their family's point of view, from their teachers and coaches point of view. All we get are the same one dimensional depictions and oversexualizations of the two male leads.
I still have a lot of love for Dominick Dunne, but he got this one wrong. He saw the world through the lens of rich and powerful people getting away with murder and it clouded his vision on this case. People are fallible.
I think in the show they showed the brothers in different perspectives for us as the audience to come to a conclusion about who we think was in the wrong or not because we never will know the whole truth I think the show was made to start a conversation
@@ZorayaSeeram He’s writing stories on convicted killers where everyone has different opinions. You’re in a lose lose when writing scripts like this. End of the day, the ratings dictate whether people want it or not.
Anyone who goes from committing numerous burglaries and identity theft with no remorse to unaliving their parents, committing insurance fraud, and attempted money laundering is certainly a MONSTER. Just because they told a good abuse story does NOT erase what they did to their parents. There was only subjective evidence to support the abuse accusations NOT irrefutable proof that definitely proves the parents actually abused them. The brothers were monsters and the parents were monsters IF those abuse accusations are true. I feel bad for their mother. The WAY they did what they did to her is pure evil.
They literally killed their parents.. of course they are MONSTERS. 🤦♂ -And by saying that I'm not dismissing the abuse they endured in that household. The parents were clearly monsters too. THEY ALL WERE! 🤷♂
the show is fiction only based on true events, and as an artist, this is Ryan's concept, so it is done 'correctly'. there is no such thing as 'correct' when it's a vision of an artist, you 'genius'.
That’s the thing though.. you CANNOT say for sure the boys are 100% innocent. You do not know that for a fact. It isn’t just black & white. There were a lot of different angles and theories & evidence to this, to contradict events and things that were said.. That’s all he was trying to show..
Yeah but every character had redeeming qualities but Lyle… you portrayed Lyle as playing up an act on the stand. In real life this is just so inaccurate. Every other character had redeeming qualities but Lyle which is just so disappointing and inaccurate.
it is accurate - the Norma woman recorded Lyle in jail, that is a FACT, and Lyle is on record, saying he faked his cries and reactions on the stand. he is a psycho
@@CatoNumbla He never told Norma that he faked his cries or reactions on the stand. The tapes are available for anyone to listen to. You don't need to lie about this
@@YourEverydaySheep I did, and yes, he did say it - that he exaggerated emotions, and faked it, and no, not all recordings are publicly available, some are not. the most was written in the book, and I also read the book. so try again.
I think some people want the brothers to be perfect..and they werent. Just like all the people around them weren't. The show is to show many rumors, truths and facts. Its not that hard to understand. Its a tv show depicting the times. And the show is called monsters because the viewer is thrown into this case to decide who the true monsters where.
@@naimasophie Nothing like this is in the show; it is simply the accurate portrayal of the rumors & opinions that were there at the time, to show what was the atmosphere surrounding the trial, that's all
It infers that the monsters are the brothers since their name is in the title. Had it said, the men ended family, monsters, that would be different. The father was the obvious monster.
@@Freeyourself206it’s a part of a tv franchise murphy is doing, not calling them monsters. it’s true crime. on the baseline for people who haven’t heard of the menendez brothers at all, they’d watch it with fresh eyes and see them as “monsters” only to find out it’s up to their own interpretation who the monsters really are
@@marlaacolee I believe the backlash we see is mostly people who already followed the case, and believe the brothers (particularly Erik) 100 percent. Like if they actually watched the show, they would know that to the show was showing all perspectives, and the title is an open question as to who the monsters are, they're also might be people who just don't know how to analyse media, and are watching the show thinking it is stating everything as an absolute fact, not realising that almost any scene with Nathan Lane at a party what's the representation of the gossip and questions people had on the case. He says "maybe" and the die hard fans of the boys just think "Oh so you are saying this definitely happened." I think the show's style went over a lot of people's heads.
I wouldn't surprise if Ryan himself is like Jose. Perhaps he can relate to that kind of father. Those who are against justice and fairness are normally have shares of similar secrets themselves. If victims will be portrayed like this, no victims will come forward anymore. Because instead of help, they get villainized like "monster" netflix. Shame. This is just the rule of the world, we have a final destination later.
Idc what everyone else says, I really like the show. So what it’s not 100% accurate. It’s a Tv show after all. This show has brought so much attention worldwide to the injustice of the brothers being behind bars.
@@ebonylady what are you even talking about. The show is about 60-70% accurate which is all you are going to get as a TV show. If you want just the whole truth watch a documentary, smh 🤦🏻♂️.
@@ebonyladythere are actual documentaries of these guys, this is a dramatized TV biopic that is more performance than anything. i’m sure people aren’t going to be taking this show as 100% accurate. anyone who knows/loves true crime knows these shows fabricate a lot and to do their own research.
Erik criticized the show because how they showed Lyle, Ryan is talking about how Erik did not watch the show and to me it looks like he did not even read the criticism Erik made
Why does he want people to guess who's the monster at the end???? When he clearly made the Menendez Brothers look like it when in reality the monsters are the parents.
The problem is that in the show the point of view of the family members that supports the brothers and the new evidences found about their father's abuses are completely not illustrated. So in the show we have the brother's point of view and the one of those who don't believe them. But the testimony illustration of the family members who witnessed the abuse and knew about it, such as the sister of Kitty menendez, or the cousins of the brothers or their uncle, (all of them have spoken on tv about it many times) is nowhere to be found in the show. And the approach of "make tour own oppinion" could be true 20-10 years ago but nowadays with all the proof the police have found and gathered, it seems at 90% that the brothers were not lying about their father ! The problem is that the showrunner purposely did not illustrated all these elements that are proving the brothers declaration but briefly mentionned in two or three sentences
wrong, the family who supported them were in the show - they paid for the defense, and are shown in convo first with Shapiro, then with Abramson. There are also family members who don't support the brothers, and they weren't in the show at all, so maybe be grateful. the family members can't be objective, and they had very small part in the show, in general.
@@CatoNumbla they did FAR MORE THAN PAY for their defense. They took the stand and supported them. They were part of the 60 witnesses that took the stand. Their stories corroborated with teachers, coaches, and neighbors. Of course some family disagreed-like Kitty's brother-who also grew up in the same abusive household as Kitty. But Kitty's sister and her daughters supported those boys. Why not show the full truth in the show instead of just making it seem like the family just helped a little. Also, to say family can't be objective...we're talking about a case of FAMILY CHILD ABUSE. Who else would have witnessed the abuse but family??? No one in Jose's family said he wasn't a great guy. His own sister knew he was awful. But of course, if you want to make the events seem like something it's not, then you can leave things out just like the prosecutors demanded in the second trial. That's essentially what Ryan Murphy did.
@wb6266 he made it clear the parents were the monsters. He didn't have to show witnesses. It wasn't a trial. It was a drama. It's got worldwide interest in the case and the injustice of them being imprisoned for over 30 years. Documentaries weren't getting this ki.nd of attention. There's been so many. It wasn't capturing the worlds attention . The power's that be have to reboot their stance. New evidence, yes. Helps . But this series is going to give them their freedom.
@@drinks_menu gurl I did 😂 and I am not saying they did not show the members of the family, learn how to read lil witch baha I ´m simply saying they did not show the perspective of the family members, they just mentionned it briefly. They incorporated into the show the rumors about the incestuous relation between the brothers throught the pov of the journalist. So why not doing the same thing with the family members testimony. We had every testimony illustrated and shown to the screen except the one of the family, which has been mentionned with four sentences by the lawyer of Erik. This method of writing is questionnable that’s all I am saying, and I am not the only one
brilliant show, and it absolutely portrayed brutal abuse, so idk what people are complaining about! The first 5 episodes are brutal and brilliant!, and the rest too, but first 5 are the best
People are complaining because a lot of the show is fabricated, and those men are still alive, trying to appeal their case as new evidence comes out. They have seen the show, and they're mortified at how they were portrayed.
I don’t like it that he made Lyle as a bad person. He makes him a liar like nothing of them ever happened and he’s a good actor who only lied in the court but everyone who saw the real trial know that it couldn’t be possible that everything was played.
Well, well, well. If it isn't dear little old Caillou with his new project, once again profiting off of real tradgies. Ryan Murphy is like Logan Paul yal. He would totally be one of those individuals to take selfies at his grandmother's funeral.
It wasn’t accurate. Painted Lyle like a complete sociopath, and nothing more. Left out so many facts like all of his family (aunts, uncles, cousins) taking the stand and admitting that lyle confessed to them he was being molested when he was still a little boy. So much more…
@@steffe.g.2043I think people are confused you guys are lookin at the show as if their trying to push a narrative I don’t think that’s it Ryan Murphy just said what his intentions were with making the show I’m happy I watched this show without knowing anything about this case because I think people are watching the show with your feelings tied to it instead of just seeing it for what it is this show was made in different perspectives for the watches to choose who the monsters are nothing in that show was made to push a agenda
Murphy is totally out of line, callous and unprofessional. He should have made every effort to portray the story accurately and not make such terrible embellishments. This is about two brothers' lives whereby they already suffered so much abuse and trauma and making up lies for "entertainment purposes" is disgusting and immoral. Murphy should apologise for the inaccuracies instead of acting dismissive and arrogant. I really hope he gets cancelled.
The show should've focused on the brothers' perspective not the audience/other people's perspective towards their situation. This is a BIOPIC,, it should be about their story and their perspective not the other way around since it will create a huge misconception about their story WHICH IT DID.
Monsters The Lyle And Erik Menendez Story Is So Very Incredible At The Same Time So UpSet That They Didn't Go To The Real Life Brothers To Be 100 Perecent InVolve On The Project To Make Sure There Doing Everything Right For Season 2 !
speaking about what a man who actually went thru it would think is incredibly stupid dahmer was great but murphy lost all my respect after this new season he ruined any chance of the brothers getting a re trial
Is there like a secret menendez club that has come out to all these videos slaming the director? It's insane how controversial this is, and how prevalent it is in online discussions on the show.
People have seen trial footage and have become aware of a number of things in the last few years thanks to sharing on social media. Trial testimony is incredibly compelling.. especially those who care about child abuse and trauma.
Not a fan of his current TV shows. I watched the first 2 episodes of Grotesquetie .... boring dialog, and I am not interested in this dark topic. All I can say is ugh!
The only perspectives he showed were the abusers and the people who were against the brothers. Even when their side was being told he quickly followed it up with falsifying it. The “facts” were lies and exaggerations! The perspectives of those who literally lived that story was either silenced or suggested to be false. He is just another person who doesn’t believe them but with the power of film making! Shame on you!
Honestly. He’s right. The show ddnt give the full story on who did They just put things together for us to decide if it’s true or not The hard part was hearing about the abuse. That just isn’t right. I had to skip some parts they were children. It’s a harddd story honestly
Ryan Murphy is a genius. And I praise him for how well he did with this show.. I have been saying this since I first saw the show.. MANY Menendez brothers supporters hate the show for showing actual events that did happen because it doesn’t support their narrative that the boys are 100% innocent victims.. They also say he wasn’t accurate..Well I can say that I’ve researched every theory & fact shown in the show..And they are all true.. If you don’t like the fact he showed the brothers at one point in an incestuous relationship, then you don’t have perspective or an open mind to see what the point of that was.. Which was to show that it was one theory some believed.. not that it was necessarily true.. Just like Erik’s popsicle injury to the back of his throat, that he & the defense team claimed was from SA.. It wasn’t shown as a fact on how it happened, just that it was also a possibility.. They also hate the show because of the shows title. Saying Ryan is insinuating that they are already guilty & considered MONSTERS. That is not what he saying with that title. First of all, he did the show Dahmer, also called, MONSTER. Makes sense that he would title the next with an S, when it involves two defenders.. And I see the title with a question mark at the end. Because to me, he’s saying, he wants you to choose. Are they monsters? Or are they innocent.. And honestly, committing parricide & lying on the stand is a monsterous act. I don’t care how victimized you were.. so the title fits..like or not.. He even did such a detailed job with all the actors looking just like their characters in real life. Down to every person in the court room.. If you don’t like the show, that’s fine. It just means he did a great job showing all the different perspectives & theories & made you have to think twice about their story.. If you haven’t watched the show yet, but plan to, don’t go into it thinking the boys are automatically completely innocent victims..or you won’t like it.. Have an open mind, and get some perspective..👌🏻
I haven't watched the show but I heard that he made brothers into lovers. Why would he do that? It's extremely disrespectful to real people that are already suffered from SA. Good for Erik that\if he didn't watch that
it is false, he didn't do that. it was one scene and suggestion that was made by the famous journalist because these kinds of rumors were there at the time, and Murphy simply showed it as an opinion that was circulating about the brothers at the time, to make it authentic and show the atmosphere surrounding the case, that's all. This isn't any significant theory in the show, nor does it take much time, it's literally one short scene and suggestion, and just as an opinion, not the truth
i liked the series and i totally got what they were doing, but i do know some ppl that watched it same time as i did and were confused especially with the shower scene he mentioned. ppl either dont pay attention which makes sense in this "tik-tok age", or they simply lack interpretational skills
Appalling guy. So untalented. His scripts are written with a thick black sharpie. Any 1980s soap opera has more subtlety and intelligence than any of his dumb shows.
There is no obligation on any filmmaker shooting a movie or series to tell the truth or to be as factually accurate as possible; that has never been a requirement in the entertainment industry. No matter how fond people may be of docu-dramas, as soon as you put the word 'drama' into the project description, fidelity to facts becomes optional.
Ryan Murphy sensationalized every show he produces. He is not high minded. He worships at the alter of $$$. Plain and simple. Don't take him seriously.
Ryan Murphy is a very disgusting person! He should be Absolutely shamed and ridiculed for this horrible awful lie of a movie! And All the actors and actresses who participated should be ashamed!! Disgusting
The truth is like a raw cut of meat, and its different perspectives are like the spices one seasons it with. The story is the cooking, and the form is how one cooks it. The show-the finished product-is the dish we get to eat.
Exactly, thank you Ryan for explaining, it was obvious for some of us - with a brain - what you tried to do, and you did it brilliantly! Ignore the absolutely rabid, pathetic blind cheerleaders of the brothers!
Dude, your trolling up in here, Were you even alive when this happened, to see all the coverage and stuff, probably not, Ryan Murphy sucks, like his shows, people are allowed to not like it, we all have brains, although not sure about you!
I love everything Ryan puts out. At the end of the day, it's a show. Why get your panties in a knot? Just enjoy it for what it is and not compare reality with dramatization. We would never really know what happened in the past so there's no point in fact checking. Because it's all very blurry.
"It's disgusting that the show implies the boys are monsters, they were sexually abused." And apparently the dad who abused them was also abused by his mum. Yet I don't hear anyone mad at calling him a monster when he was abused, but the same logic works for the boys? Abuse is a horrible cycle, and too many people watched this with a black and white view, wabting to out good here, and bad there. Truth of the matter is none of those people can actually deak with how horribly gray everything can be.
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“He hasn’t watched the show” mf he lived it what is he even talking about 😭
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Why are people allowed to sensationalize trauma? Ryan is defending this show bc he made a buck and a half on the show
Hollywood is built on trauma
What can we do to remove this show from Netflix?
Unsubscribe
I Agree. I don't think Ryan produces quality productions.
Every movie you watch is sensationalising some form of trauma… that’s the whole industry. Don’t watch it then because lack of engagement by the people is what will change the industry.
He’s really creepy. It’s not right that he adds his weird fetishes and interests into true crime.
When EVERYONE is telling you you’re wrong and made a mistake - TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY. This guy is so ignorant. He’s messing with these men’s lives.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 well said
Given how sensitive this case is, for him to not care about telling it right is disgusting.
He is one of his own characters. Everything that's wrong with the creator ends up on the screen.
I'm waiting for something to come out about this guy. He just seems like an absolute creep
I've been saying that since forever!!!!
He sure is!
Yep, first time I saw that guy I felt my flesh crawl. He looks creepy and sick.
Came here to say the same thing. Who makes an incestrial relationship on a show and defends it? That's really weird.
It's clear it's all for shock-value and profit. Absolutely disgusting. There's really no wonder why the Menendez bros hate it. Anyone would if they were portrayed like that. I refuse to watch anything with his name on it.
No he is not leave him alot he create's the best show
Ah so because a creep like Dominick Dunne who kept a shirtless photo of underage Erik Menendez framed SAID that he thought the brothers were incestuous, that was enough for you to actually show the brothers showering together like secret lovers?
And he didn't address why in the second episode, he showed them kissing and grinding on each ofher.
The characterization of Lyle throughout is so one dimensional and cartoonish, and Murphy never makes an effort to show any other side or perspective of him.
NO. You don't have a brain - Ryan shows you what numerous people THOUGHT about the case then, as this is was the reality surrounding the case!! god, people are so stupid here!
@@CatoNumblayeah And I was expecting him to show the perspective of the brothers from their family's point of view, from their teachers and coaches point of view. All we get are the same one dimensional depictions and oversexualizations of the two male leads.
I still have a lot of love for Dominick Dunne, but he got this one wrong. He saw the world through the lens of rich and powerful people getting away with murder and it clouded his vision on this case. People are fallible.
I think in the show they showed the brothers in different perspectives for us as the audience to come to a conclusion about who we think was in the wrong or not because we never will know the whole truth I think the show was made to start a conversation
@@at_2527it's because murphy gets off on making his actors do all that in front of him
That man needs to go to jail I'm serious
why? what did he do thats illegal?
lol
@@tripthelightfantastic6519 it's best some be locked up even if they don't do nun illegal
Ryan Murphy always ruins everything that he puts his hands on he is a disgrace 🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️
Never he’s GREAT 🔥🔥
The two seasons of this show have been great. He doesn’t let critics put boundaries on him which makes him unique.
@@KswaggReactsmore on hit or miss
@@undiscloseddesires6816 you mean he doesnt allow morals and integrity
@@ZorayaSeeram He’s writing stories on convicted killers where everyone has different opinions. You’re in a lose lose when writing scripts like this. End of the day, the ratings dictate whether people want it or not.
Just my opinion not fair to start the title monsters they aren't monsters
It’s letting the viewer decide who the monsters really are
The title 'Monsters' could be about the parents as well. Its up for your own interpretation, and its apart of a franchise, with Dahmer.
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Anyone who goes from committing numerous burglaries and identity theft with no remorse to unaliving their parents, committing insurance fraud, and attempted money laundering is certainly a MONSTER. Just because they told a good abuse story does NOT erase what they did to their parents. There was only subjective evidence to support the abuse accusations NOT irrefutable proof that definitely proves the parents actually abused them. The brothers were monsters and the parents were monsters IF those abuse accusations are true. I feel bad for their mother. The WAY they did what they did to her is pure evil.
They literally killed their parents.. of course they are MONSTERS. 🤦♂ -And by saying that I'm not dismissing the abuse they endured in that household. The parents were clearly monsters too. THEY ALL WERE! 🤷♂
Ryan murphy is a monster
No he is not
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If you did correctly, no one would be confused.
the show is fiction only based on true events, and as an artist, this is Ryan's concept, so it is done 'correctly'. there is no such thing as 'correct' when it's a vision of an artist, you 'genius'.
That’s not what I was talking about, genius. Lol. I was commenting on the execution of his vision. But nice try trying to be relevant, Cato!
Exactly!
That’s the thing though.. you CANNOT say for sure the boys are 100% innocent. You do not know that for a fact. It isn’t just black & white. There were a lot of different angles and theories & evidence to this, to contradict events and things that were said..
That’s all he was trying to show..
Nah ppl find sth in anything
This man has no sympathy for the brothers. Zero. He's making them relive their nightmare again while he makes his money. Just cruel. 👎
Yeah but every character had redeeming qualities but Lyle… you portrayed Lyle as playing up an act on the stand. In real life this is just so inaccurate. Every other character had redeeming qualities but Lyle which is just so disappointing and inaccurate.
it is accurate - the Norma woman recorded Lyle in jail, that is a FACT, and Lyle is on record, saying he faked his cries and reactions on the stand. he is a psycho
@@CatoNumbla He never told Norma that he faked his cries or reactions on the stand. The tapes are available for anyone to listen to. You don't need to lie about this
I’d think lyles redeeming quality in the show is how much he loves and wants to protect his brother
@@tomthepeaceful This is fair but his character portrayal was still one dimensional.
@@YourEverydaySheep I did, and yes, he did say it - that he exaggerated emotions, and faked it, and no, not all recordings are publicly available, some are not. the most was written in the book, and I also read the book. so try again.
“Never complain never explain” how original Ryan Murphy did you come up with that yourself 😂 after you just explained your POS POV
That's a true narcissistic motto if I've ever heard one! He makes my skin crawl...😡
I think some people want the brothers to be perfect..and they werent. Just like all the people around them weren't. The show is to show many rumors, truths and facts. Its not that hard to understand. Its a tv show depicting the times.
And the show is called monsters because the viewer is thrown into this case to decide who the true monsters where.
People just don't want to see incestious brothers lol and that's called being mentally sane
@@naimasophie Nothing like this is in the show; it is simply the accurate portrayal of the rumors & opinions that were there at the time, to show what was the atmosphere surrounding the trial, that's all
It infers that the monsters are the brothers since their name is in the title. Had it said, the men ended family, monsters, that would be different. The father was the obvious monster.
@@Freeyourself206it’s a part of a tv franchise murphy is doing, not calling them monsters. it’s true crime. on the baseline for people who haven’t heard of the menendez brothers at all, they’d watch it with fresh eyes and see them as “monsters” only to find out it’s up to their own interpretation who the monsters really are
@@marlaacolee I believe the backlash we see is mostly people who already followed the case, and believe the brothers (particularly Erik) 100 percent.
Like if they actually watched the show, they would know that to the show was showing all perspectives, and the title is an open question as to who the monsters are, they're also might be people who just don't know how to analyse media, and are watching the show thinking it is stating everything as an absolute fact, not realising that almost any scene with Nathan Lane at a party what's the representation of the gossip and questions people had on the case.
He says "maybe" and the die hard fans of the boys just think "Oh so you are saying this definitely happened."
I think the show's style went over a lot of people's heads.
I wouldn't surprise if Ryan himself is like Jose. Perhaps he can relate to that kind of father. Those who are against justice and fairness are normally have shares of similar secrets themselves.
If victims will be portrayed like this, no victims will come forward anymore. Because instead of help, they get villainized like "monster" netflix. Shame.
This is just the rule of the world, we have a final destination later.
Idc what everyone else says, I really like the show. So what it’s not 100% accurate. It’s a Tv show after all. This show has brought so much attention worldwide to the injustice of the brothers being behind bars.
Nope. When you tell a story of that magnitude stick to the truth. Alot of stuff in that mess was false because I watched the trial.
@@ebonylady what are you even talking about. The show is about 60-70% accurate which is all you are going to get as a TV show. If you want just the whole truth watch a documentary, smh 🤦🏻♂️.
@@ebonyladyYou can’t say stick to the truth when no one actually knows it.
@@ebonyladythere are actual documentaries of these guys, this is a dramatized TV biopic that is more performance than anything. i’m sure people aren’t going to be taking this show as 100% accurate. anyone who knows/loves true crime knows these shows fabricate a lot and to do their own research.
I agree 100%. The acting is fantastic and it really shines a light on how horrible their life was growing up.
Erik criticized the show because how they showed Lyle, Ryan is talking about how Erik did not watch the show and to me it looks like he did not even read the criticism Erik made
Ryan Murphy sucks, he’s the MONSTER here.
Why does he want people to guess who's the monster at the end???? When he clearly made the Menendez Brothers look like it when in reality the monsters are the parents.
To make it more interesting and make more money. When i watched the first episode i really thought that he mean that the monsters are the brothers.
The problem is that in the show the point of view of the family members that supports the brothers and the new evidences found about their father's abuses are completely not illustrated. So in the show we have the brother's point of view and the one of those who don't believe them. But the testimony illustration of the family members who witnessed the abuse and knew about it, such as the sister of Kitty menendez, or the cousins of the brothers or their uncle, (all of them have spoken on tv about it many times) is nowhere to be found in the show.
And the approach of "make tour own oppinion" could be true 20-10 years ago but nowadays with all the proof the police have found and gathered, it seems at 90% that the brothers were not lying about their father ! The problem is that the showrunner purposely did not illustrated all these elements that are proving the brothers declaration but briefly mentionned in two or three sentences
wrong, the family who supported them were in the show - they paid for the defense, and are shown in convo first with Shapiro, then with Abramson. There are also family members who don't support the brothers, and they weren't in the show at all, so maybe be grateful. the family members can't be objective, and they had very small part in the show, in general.
@@CatoNumbla they did FAR MORE THAN PAY for their defense. They took the stand and supported them. They were part of the 60 witnesses that took the stand. Their stories corroborated with teachers, coaches, and neighbors. Of course some family disagreed-like Kitty's brother-who also grew up in the same abusive household as Kitty. But Kitty's sister and her daughters supported those boys. Why not show the full truth in the show instead of just making it seem like the family just helped a little.
Also, to say family can't be objective...we're talking about a case of FAMILY CHILD ABUSE. Who else would have witnessed the abuse but family??? No one in Jose's family said he wasn't a great guy. His own sister knew he was awful.
But of course, if you want to make the events seem like something it's not, then you can leave things out just like the prosecutors demanded in the second trial. That's essentially what Ryan Murphy did.
@wb6266 he made it clear the parents were the monsters. He didn't have to show witnesses. It wasn't a trial. It was a drama. It's got worldwide interest in the case and the injustice of them being imprisoned for over 30 years. Documentaries weren't getting this ki.nd of attention. There's been so many. It wasn't capturing the worlds attention . The power's that be have to reboot their stance. New evidence, yes. Helps . But this series is going to give them their freedom.
you obviously didn't watch the show because all the people you said weren't in the show, are in fact in the show.
@@drinks_menu gurl I did 😂 and I am not saying they did not show the members of the family, learn how to read lil witch baha
I ´m simply saying they did not show the perspective of the family members, they just mentionned it briefly. They incorporated into the show the rumors about the incestuous relation between the brothers throught the pov of the journalist. So why not doing the same thing with the family members testimony. We had every testimony illustrated and shown to the screen except the one of the family, which has been mentionned with four sentences by the lawyer of Erik.
This method of writing is questionnable that’s all I am saying, and I am not the only one
He should’ve just kept it at Dahmer LOL This one just sucked bad…….
I am looking forward to the Menendez story.
It’s 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
It’s a show. Not a documentary.
Its ryan murphy personal spankbank made public. And the victims are getting their name dragged to through the mud
brilliant show, and it absolutely portrayed brutal abuse, so idk what people are complaining about! The first 5 episodes are brutal and brilliant!, and the rest too, but first 5 are the best
People are complaining because a lot of the show is fabricated, and those men are still alive, trying to appeal their case as new evidence comes out. They have seen the show, and they're mortified at how they were portrayed.
I don’t like it that he made Lyle as a bad person. He makes him a liar like nothing of them ever happened and he’s a good actor who only lied in the court but everyone who saw the real trial know that it couldn’t be possible that everything was played.
Well, well, well. If it isn't dear little old Caillou with his new project, once again profiting off of real tradgies.
Ryan Murphy is like Logan Paul yal. He would totally be one of those individuals to take selfies at his grandmother's funeral.
I’m seriously confused at how people didn’t like this show?? I thought it was incredible
It wasn’t accurate. Painted Lyle like a complete sociopath, and nothing more. Left out so many facts like all of his family (aunts, uncles, cousins) taking the stand and admitting that lyle confessed to them he was being molested when he was still a little boy. So much more…
@@steffe.g.2043I think people are confused you guys are lookin at the show as if their trying to push a narrative I don’t think that’s it Ryan Murphy just said what his intentions were with making the show I’m happy I watched this show without knowing anything about this case because I think people are watching the show with your feelings tied to it instead of just seeing it for what it is this show was made in different perspectives for the watches to choose who the monsters are nothing in that show was made to push a agenda
@@ilovewoe717 and yes actually. He was trying to push a narrative. Shame oh him
@@ilovewoe717agreed
Cuz he portrayed Lyle as an a$$hole and the show is full of fetishes like any of his shows , its seems comedic and dramatic instead of true crime
Seeing their story in the Netflix made me feel pity about this two brothers and i hope theyd be freed for a second chance
Murphy is totally out of line, callous and unprofessional. He should have made every effort to portray the story accurately and not make such terrible embellishments. This is about two brothers' lives whereby they already suffered so much abuse and trauma and making up lies for "entertainment purposes" is disgusting and immoral.
Murphy should apologise for the inaccuracies instead of acting dismissive and arrogant. I really hope he gets cancelled.
The show should've focused on the brothers' perspective not the audience/other people's perspective towards their situation. This is a BIOPIC,, it should be about their story and their perspective not the other way around since it will create a huge misconception about their story WHICH IT DID.
I watched it but my conclusion in the end that the parents are the monters not the brothers.
I’m telling you RIGHT NOW this guy is into CP, I can see it in his eyes
Definitely
Ohhh it’s the Rashomon approach meaning he’ll explore whatever taboos he wants using their lives as the premise. Cool cool
Yep. Same story with different viewpoints
This show is actually smarter than it looks in first few eps.
Monsters The Lyle And Erik Menendez Story Is So Very Incredible At The Same Time So UpSet That They Didn't Go To The Real Life Brothers To Be 100 Perecent InVolve On The Project To Make Sure There Doing Everything Right For Season 2 !
many perspectives of what he’s just making it up he wasn’t there he doesn’t know what happened
speaking about what a man who actually went thru it would think is incredibly stupid dahmer was great but murphy lost all my respect after this new season he ruined any chance of the brothers getting a re trial
Dahmer was real and so were his victims!?
Is there like a secret menendez club that has come out to all these videos slaming the director? It's insane how controversial this is, and how prevalent it is in online discussions on the show.
People have seen trial footage and have become aware of a number of things in the last few years thanks to sharing on social media. Trial testimony is incredibly compelling.. especially those who care about child abuse and trauma.
If the format is so muddled, then why play it all straight [no pun intended]
Not a fan of his current TV shows. I watched the first 2 episodes of Grotesquetie .... boring dialog, and I am not interested in this dark topic. All I can say is ugh!
Perfect response
The only perspectives he showed were the abusers and the people who were against the brothers. Even when their side was being told he quickly followed it up with falsifying it. The “facts” were lies and exaggerations! The perspectives of those who literally lived that story was either silenced or suggested to be false. He is just another person who doesn’t believe them but with the power of film making! Shame on you!
Honestly. He’s right. The show ddnt give the full story on who did
They just put things together for us to decide if it’s true or not
The hard part was hearing about the abuse. That just isn’t right. I had to skip some parts they were children.
It’s a harddd story honestly
I thought it was a good show
They are not fact! You took those “theories” and made it into money for yourself..
Ryan Murphy is a genius. And I praise him for how well he did with this show..
I have been saying this since I first saw the show..
MANY Menendez brothers supporters hate the show for showing actual events that did happen because it doesn’t support their narrative that the boys are 100% innocent victims..
They also say he wasn’t accurate..Well I can say that I’ve researched every theory & fact shown in the show..And they are all true..
If you don’t like the fact he showed the brothers at one point in an incestuous relationship, then you don’t have perspective or an open mind to see what the point of that was..
Which was to show that it was one theory some believed.. not that it was necessarily true..
Just like Erik’s popsicle injury to the back of his throat, that he & the defense team claimed was from SA..
It wasn’t shown as a fact on how it happened, just that it was also a possibility..
They also hate the show because of the shows title. Saying Ryan is insinuating that they are already guilty & considered MONSTERS.
That is not what he saying with that title.
First of all, he did the show Dahmer, also called, MONSTER. Makes sense that he would title the next with an S, when it involves two defenders..
And I see the title with a question mark at the end. Because to me, he’s saying, he wants you to choose. Are they monsters? Or are they innocent..
And honestly, committing parricide & lying on the stand is a monsterous act. I don’t care how victimized you were.. so the title fits..like or not..
He even did such a detailed job with all the actors looking just like their characters in real life. Down to every person in the court room..
If you don’t like the show, that’s fine. It just means he did a great job showing all the different perspectives & theories & made you have to think twice about their story..
If you haven’t watched the show yet, but plan to, don’t go into it thinking the boys are automatically completely innocent victims..or you won’t like it..
Have an open mind, and get some perspective..👌🏻
You seriously need mental help if you support the incestious vibe , Ryan Murphy is a creep , nothing more
Really? You don't care how victimized they were? And by victimized you mean SA'ed? Do you have kids?
I haven't watched the show but I heard that he made brothers into lovers. Why would he do that? It's extremely disrespectful to real people that are already suffered from SA. Good for Erik that\if he didn't watch that
it is false, he didn't do that. it was one scene and suggestion that was made by the famous journalist because these kinds of rumors were there at the time, and Murphy simply showed it as an opinion that was circulating about the brothers at the time, to make it authentic and show the atmosphere surrounding the case, that's all. This isn't any significant theory in the show, nor does it take much time, it's literally one short scene and suggestion, and just as an opinion, not the truth
Well you obviously didn't watch the show. They were never lovers in the show.
ryan is masterpiece , in monsters i see his hand and every of his TV shows like no one have...
i liked the series and i totally got what they were doing, but i do know some ppl that watched it same time as i did and were confused especially with the shower scene he mentioned. ppl either dont pay attention which makes sense in this "tik-tok age", or they simply lack interpretational skills
This man is sickk
Monsters could be the Parents or the brothers... You all watch tv shows and didn't get it???
Appalling guy. So untalented. His scripts are written with a thick black sharpie. Any 1980s soap opera has more subtlety and intelligence than any of his dumb shows.
He should be sued for defamation of character 😅
Such an icky man.
Oh look, another reason for me to have left Netflix years ago.
There is no obligation on any filmmaker shooting a movie or series to tell the truth or to be as factually accurate as possible; that has never been a requirement in the entertainment industry. No matter how fond people may be of docu-dramas, as soon as you put the word 'drama' into the project description, fidelity to facts becomes optional.
People love to complain about Ryan Murphy but he seems pretty successful. Someone seems to be watching. A lot of y'all just love to hate lol
...try again 🤡
Try what again?? Use your words weirdo @@kondodurham2599
I was expecting something entirely different from what I watched:/
He was able to spice up the story and make it kinky. Probably good for ratings.
oh yeah, i could say the same about Diddy. He is a billionaire, but look at what he did to get there.
I think were it not fit this series no one would even be looking to get the boys outta jail
Great show
Ryan Murphy sensationalized every show he produces. He is not high minded. He worships at the alter of $$$. Plain and simple. Don't take him seriously.
Lost all respect for this guy. BOYCOTT AHS
him and his shows seem so weird and creepy
Ryan Murphy is a very disgusting person! He should be Absolutely shamed and ridiculed for this horrible awful lie of a movie! And All the actors and actresses who participated should be ashamed!! Disgusting
Ryan retire already.
Ryan’s a brilliant film maker 👍👍👍👍
The judge in the show is stupid.
The truth is like a raw cut of meat, and its different perspectives are like the spices one seasons it with. The story is the cooking, and the form is how one cooks it. The show-the finished product-is the dish we get to eat.
Its not his truth, its the truth of the menendez family
Exactly, thank you Ryan for explaining, it was obvious for some of us - with a brain - what you tried to do, and you did it brilliantly! Ignore the absolutely rabid, pathetic blind cheerleaders of the brothers!
Dude, your trolling up in here, Were you even alive when this happened, to see all the coverage and stuff, probably not, Ryan Murphy sucks, like his shows, people are allowed to not like it, we all have brains, although not sure about you!
I liked the show and Ryan Murphy summed it up well how many perspectives are shown. These boys were clearly wronged but they were no angels
They were no angels? Theres no way the show is good if this is the conclusion, they are victims who defended themselves
he’s very arrogant isn’t he
I agree with Ryan. 👏👏👏👏
Love Ryan Murphy I REALLY WANNA WORK WITH HIM!!!!
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I love everything Ryan puts out. At the end of the day, it's a show. Why get your panties in a knot? Just enjoy it for what it is and not compare reality with dramatization. We would never really know what happened in the past so there's no point in fact checking. Because it's all very blurry.
its tv ok?
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Is this dude stupid or what he's in jail he can't watch it Elise watch stuff like on Netflix and stuff cuz he in jail
Ignorant ahh response
He full of 💩 he just want to make money smh
Vampre
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"It's disgusting that the show implies the boys are monsters, they were sexually abused."
And apparently the dad who abused them was also abused by his mum.
Yet I don't hear anyone mad at calling him a monster when he was abused, but the same logic works for the boys?
Abuse is a horrible cycle, and too many people watched this with a black and white view, wabting to out good here, and bad there.
Truth of the matter is none of those people can actually deak with how horribly gray everything can be.