Fact-checking might not be the most glamorous of tasks, but it is certainly one of the most essential. It doesn't matter how good the historian is; simple human error happens to everyone. More often than not, the mistakes are seemingly harmless; an extra 0 at the end of a statistic, an incorrect date, a misspelled name. But more seriously, there might be a historic falsehood only recently disproved in the historiography or a misinterpretation of a primary source. No matter the mistake, our credibility is on the line when it happens. It is the last job before Indy or Sparty sits in front of the camera. Our fact-checkers make sure they don't make a fool of themselves. One last thing, because we don't have the luxury of time or professional proofreaders, mistakes do sometimes slip through. That's why we're extremely grateful when our community points them out. It's embarrassing, sure, but it ensures we don't misrepresent a history that is so important to us all. So thanks to all you guys for that. Francis Episode Guide: This is a 10 episode limited series within our weekly coverage of WW2 - to see the immediate events leading up to this day watch episode 119 from December 5, ruclips.net/video/DYUzmBuX-6Y/видео.html. Some of the events covered briefly as they start on this day, such as the invasions in the West Pacific will be covered in more detail in the coming weeks, especially in episode 120K (the 11th episode this week) coming out on December 12. The playlist to get all these episodes in one go is here: bit.ly/Pearl-min-by-min Before you comment, read our rules of conduct community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518
3:52 - When I mentioned that you would be doing this series to a good friend of mine, one a full generation older, he commented on how Japan never attacked the fuel tanks in the Navy Yard. So glad to see it discussed :)
Your line about the engines of the USS Oklahoma was a bit confused. The Oklahoma had 12 boilers feeding 2 triple expansion engines. Those converted the energy in the expanding steam into rotational energy, transfered through a gearbox into the two shafts. Turbines are a different type of engine rather than an addition to triple expansion engines. I've really enjoyed the series of videos, keep up the good work. 😃
@@DERP_Squad I'll have to listen to the bit again, the confusion might be from that one ship of the class (Nevada) had geared turbines, and as you said, the Oklahoma stuck with triple expansion engines.
Sailor manages to grab the right wrench to undo a bulkhead while his ship is capsizing. While I'm over here making 20 trips to my tool box because I can't find the right wrench to do a brake job.
meanwhile I lend out my tools and the A-holes I lent them too manage to lose one part and destroy another -__- never again. Have you ever seen a wrench bent because someone tried to apply more force by pulling on it with large pliers? I have now -__-
Google is not so bright, but here it is: books.google.rs/books?id=wtVLAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1519&lpg=PA1519&dq=minecraft+commander&source=bl&ots=dOxcIOdGZk&sig=ACfU3U0a_SfWrvPsR5sQd5rladCZSWvUGQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUyfzv5bztAhUhkcMKHQ5kAIgQ6AEwEnoECAsQAg#v=onepage&q=minecraft%20commander&f=false Actually, it keeps saying: Commander Minecraft.
It was a nightmare for many that were outside, hearing the knocks of those trapped in the capsized ships, knowing full well that there was not much they could do as the sounds faded away..........
@@cogman62 I am surprised they did not place explosive against the hull to blow a hole in it. While the blast might kill people trapped inside, it would have been a quick death for some otherwise doomed to slow suffocation, and it might even have allowed rescue of some not in the immediate vicinity of the blast. It would also have given air.
The point about the prophets of doom predicting that exports of iron to Japan would one day be returned as bombs was not an isolated event. Australia was a major exporter of pig iron billets to Japan while Japan was blitzkrieging through China. Similar misgivings were expressed by Australian unionists who slapped a ban on loading iron on ships bound for Japan. The then PM, Robert Menzies branded them communists and called in the army to load the ships. This earned him the nickname "Pig Iron Bob". There is an obvious irony in a union busting government using soldiers to load the raw materials that would eventually be used to attack them.
We continue to be amazed by the quality, depth and attention to detail in this (mega) ‘mini’ series. The Timeghost army has rightly placed its trust in its leadership (unlike some other fighting forces we hear about...)
Here's one detail he missed: Kermit Tyler and the Oahu US radar signal that picked up the Japanese planes coming to Pearl Harbor. Check here his and the entire WW2 story : ruclips.net/video/toJQIuPRJrU/видео.html
I cannot imagine the frustration and sorrow a commanding officer would feel after such a travesty. Any responsible man would blame himself somewhat, but there are so many different mistakes that were made and requests overlooked that it is the simple need for a fall man that allows us to blame a small number of individuals.
For anyone interested, my friend who is an American of Japanese descent produced an excellent podcast called Campu about the Japanese internment camps. The series is available on Spotify, and the quality and stories are really breathtaking
Did he talk about Kermit Tyler and the Oahu US radar signal that picked up the Japanese planes coming to Pearl Harbor? Check here his and the entire WW2 story : ruclips.net/video/toJQIuPRJrU/видео.html
19:40 Did I hear that correctly? "She becomes the flagship of rear admiral William Furlong, *Minecraft* commander of the battle force for the American pacific fleet."
@@alexandercooken7171 Thank you for the clarification. I'm listening to these videos in the background, in which that phrase immediately distracted me.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 Well, it was Furlong who intervened to get Nevada beached where a) should wouldn't block the channel, and b) sink in deeper water, so I think the guy could use some recognition :)
This whole thing is excellent so far, even by the series' normal standards. I know it's a way off yet, but are you planning something similar for the Normandy Landings?
@@aldreymenezes7652 Yes but Stalingrad was much longer than Pearl Harbor or Kurks. Its too dificult to do a minute by minute episode. I do hope they do something special for Stalingrad
When I was a kid in a small Kentucky town, I asked my Father why his friend only had one ear? come to find out it was shredded by a Zero at Pearl Harbor.
Mr Paris was a friends Father when I was a Kid . His hearing was real bad to the point of almost being Deaf . When the subject was brought up one day We were told he was at Pearl Harbor the Day of the attack. We all assumed his Hearing was Damaged that Day . He never talked about it .
It's worth mentioning that the all-or-nothing armor layout is designed to actually help against the armor piercing ammunition that was in use, with the idea what they would penetrate the thin armor, arm, pass right through the ship and detonate on the other side of it.
And it came from some research done by the Center for Naval Analysis during the time that identified suvivor bias in the considerations for armor placement on bombers. Basically they realized that by armoring the parts of the aircraft that returned that had been shot to shit they weren't improving the aircraft's suvivability, and that they needed to armor the places that the returning planes WEREN'T being hit, because if those parts got hit, the planes didnt come back. Coincidentally these areas on a heat map of damage on the plane corresponded with the location of things like the cockpit, the engines and the control mechanisms for flight surfaces. Go figure.
Honestly though, the entire narrative about the US mistreating them is vastly exaggerated. Its a narrative mostly run by Wehraboos trying to explain how the US wasnt better than nazi germany.
I have tryed to put my self in the shoes of these people who lived and died in Pearl Harbor while watching this series. It’s absolutely terrible. You guys at ww2 in real time are very good at this thank you
As you get older you start marking time by significant events in your life. For all Americans it was the huge event and that was on the heels of the Great Depression and WW1. I met many WW2 vets in my life and every one could remember their military service in detail. One guy knew he killed 8 Germans and vividly described his first kill. For the millions of dirt poor guys most from little towns and farms, WW2 was THE only big event in their lives. That's why they were so willing to talk about it, as long as the listener showed interest in their experience.
@@Quincy_Morris In addition to that it covers a wider spread of the globe as opposed to World War One. So through the study of the conflict, there is more potential to become more geographically knowledgeable. But the dominance of oil burning ships as discussed in this video and the increase in the use of the combustion petrol engine vehicle consumer market following World War One illustrates the expansion of French and British colonialism in the Middle East. However, having said that there was a decrease in the colonial mindset from the British perspective in relation to the country of Egypt gaining more independence from 1922 than it had previously enjoyed during the days of the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan arrangement. But one cannot deny that the concept of the 'Air Force' and the early beginnings of conventional tank and naval warfare will always rest with World War One.
I'm stationed at Schofield. Its so interesting watching this and knowing all these areas/bases, recognizing some of the areas and of course my own base. I could find my neighborhood on Schofield on the map shown(idk if my apartment was built) Quick disclaimer. On the map, Sterling was in Wahiawa. That's the town right outside off base if Schofield/wheeler. Wheeler and Schofield are close enough to be one base. Its literally only separated by one civilian road. Map, I've driven around and done runs around wheeler airfield, the last position I was in had my driving by all the time. The same airfield bombed in this documentary
Your point about the anger is well taken. My Dad was 6 years old when this happened, and living in a very Liberal part of Brooklyn. To this day, he remembers the anger, of people taking everything they owned that was made in Japan and throwing it into the street, smashing it, burning it. He had never seen so much rage in his life, and it was throughout the entire population.
18:25 as i heard spartacus voice, i couldn't help and think about the eastern front, and how much more people were dying in the eastern front that it pales in comparison to what we have seen so far in pearl harbor.
I dont know about anyone else but I have read survivor reports from the USS Oklahoma and it really tugs at the emotions, reading the experiences of the men who fought for survival in the upturned ship and the many who did not make it. I will always remember Pearl Harbor and the men lost that day
I swear the commentary is so brilliant and vivid that I felt like and coulda sworn I watched a movie on pearl harbor last week, only to realize it was just me listening to this series!
I was interested to find out that more sailors serving on the Arizonans survived than I thought. For some reason I was under the impression that only 1 or 2 people from the Arizona survived. It was actually closer to 400.
The opening dialogue. My great-grandmother, born 1900 always spoke of the attack on Pearl Harbor in terms of its deception, the presence of the ambassador during negotiations. She went to work in a Douglas Aircraft assembly plant, he son my great uncle into uniform with the army ultimately serving with the forces in Europe, seeing Daccau among the other tragedies of the conflict.
When I served at Pearl Harbor my commands HQ was in what was left of the old Pearl Harbor hospital. When I did night patrols of the building I used to hate going in that basement....a part of the patrol was the buildings server room in what was the morgue of the base...i never could go in there without feeling nervous.
outstanding work explaining all about the Japanese subs during the attack on pearl harbor. This has always been one of my favorite aspects of the attack but one of the least talked about. I would LOVE TO SEE a special episode on these subs and their use by the Japanese throughout the war. Great job guys !!
"Take a good long look; I hope none of you ever see a day like this again. You know, nobody will ever know what it was like, but maybe the one's who lived through it. You just be damned sure you don't forget the one's who didn't. - Sgt 'Gunny' Laughton, Medal of Honor Rising Sun.
My Dad, age 17, skipped school with several buddies on Monday the 8th to go to Wheeling WV to enlist. The recruiter threw them out for being "still wet behind the ears.". My Grandma refused to sign papers for him, so he enlisted in the Marines the day after his 19th birthday. He'd spent a year in college, so the Marines put him in the V-12 program, which turned him into a 2nd Lieutenant in 12 months; continuing his education at Muelenberg College in Allentown PA. An air raid warden pushed him into my Mom's house during a blackout drill. The rest is family history.
Back in the early 70's the Scout Master of the Boy Scout troop I belonged to was a young Marine at Pearl on that day. He took a 7.7mm round in his chest, it was never removed due to the proximity to his heart.
I know that this is probably the last takeaway that I should have from this excellent video, but I still can’t believe that old mate’s name is *Husband*. What a bizarre thing to name a child. Can you imagine having a newborn baby girl and naming her “Wife?”
I'm so gripped, the joy of binging these horror stories presented so professionally is a great pleasure! Still is painful to vividly empathize as, well, if you stare into the void, it will stare back at you...take that as you will. Another AAA+++ episode.
(26:14) I thought the Japanese spy who told the Japanese gov't about the fleet movements and security measures at Pearl Harbor was actually Takeo Yoshikawa (working under the alias Tadashi Morimura) and posing as vice-consul, under Nagao Kita at the Japanese Consul.
My father told us about that fateful day. The news broadcasts on the radio were terrified and rumors were running rampant across his small Pacific Ocean coastline town. People were scared and believed anything that was told to them. Which is similar to the reactions Americans had on 9/11.
7:19 That photo is said to show a sub attack under way. You can see the torpedoes in the water heading for the ships. It's over on the left side towards the middle - you can see some water being disturbed from incoming fire from the ships.
Excellent video as always. One small correction, despite being in the same class, Nevada and Oklahoma had different propulsion systems. Nevada had turbine propulsion - the first American capital ship to have another set of turbines geared for cruising at lower speeds. Oklahoma had the older vertical triple-expansion engines instead (that were outdated for any kind of dreadnought), not turbines as well as you stated in the video. Triple-expansion engines produce a lot of vibration at high speeds, which is one reason they were phased out in favour of increasingly sophisticated turbines. Soon after this, US designs switched to turbo-electric drive, using steam turbines to generate electricity and then turn the screws with electric motors.
@@danielmeyer818 Neither Germany nor Japan would have won total control. Germany had immense logistical problems, the same thing Japan had a problem with. They could have made peace but they would never have controlled all of Asia.
@@danielmeyer818 Doubt it. With Germany out of the picture how long do you think it would take for the Soviets to attack the Japanese? I doubt Stalin would put up with Japanese expansion in Asia. In 45 the Soviets overran the Japanese in Manchuria with ease.
@@danielmeyer818 Stayed out in what sense? The Japanese not attacking the US? That leaves the US in control of the Philippines, and 6 months later, the US has a striking force in range of the home islands, just waiting for the IJN to screw up and provoke. Just invade the west Pacific islands and leave Hawaii alone? You’ve still kicked over a hornet’s nest, MacArthur would still be pissed, and the USN Pacific fleet is still intact, and more than a match for the IJN. The US might not have cared if the other colonies were conquered. But they weren’t about to let ANYONE else touch THEIR colonies.
Frank DuBosque was the gunner who fired the round from the 5" gun turret from the Brooklyn class light cruiser , USS ST LOUIS , CL-49 , into the mini sub that was spotted after the two torpedoes it launched at St Louis exploded harmlessly on a shoal. It was a direct hit but the round did not explode ( detonator not set was why ). The gunner and crew were told not to talk about the sub but if pressed were to say it was a whale that was spotted instead. That is part of how the "Lucky Lou" legend begins and many years later , in his old age, Frank was awarded a service medal for that action at Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41. The part that is less known is that it was the second sub it sunk that day after ramming another one first. The minor hull damage to St Louis via the ramming of the first submarine was not repaired until several months later and was not repaired at Pearl Harbor either. You did not mention that one so you may have to dig deep. The son in law of the gunner was a history teacher in New Jersey ( now retired) and I learned this info from him. I also am a long time friend of Frank DuBosque's youngest son Ken who gets a thank you for his late Fathers actions that day every Dec 7 from a few of those that still remember Pearl Harbor. Both subs that were sunk by the USS ST LOUIS were found many years later in a mix of dredged up scrap that was removed from the Harbor and dumped at sea.
Thanks for the research presented with vim and verve. 4:01 I have frequently heard that not destroying the navy yard was a big mistake by the Japanese and a stroke of good fortune for the US. 4:30 “Alan Zimm does not agree with this. Doing the math, that an attack wave on the Navy Yard would likely destroy no more than six percent of it, and that the destruction of a building does not necessarily destroy its contents, and that civilian facilities at the port of Honolulu could be used for service and repair.” This is the first I have heard a good counter-argument, and it makes the Japanese ending the attack after the second wave seem less a blunder than I previously thought.
@@stevekaczynski3793 That's what happens to disgraced military leaders, they are never fired instead they are given the choice to retire or face a commission of inquiry.
@Troy Staunton It wasn't fully or only his fault, but he also had a giant amount of fault. It was up to him to decide how ready Pearl Harbor would be with the resources available. Which commander ever would have had all the resources they wished for? Pearl Harbor was utterly pants down unready. Nobody gave a damn about the multiple sub sightings. Nobody paid any attention whatsoever to the radar reports. These two things, for example, were 100% Kimmel's faults. Sure, they wouldn't have saved everything, but there would have been a whole lot of American fighters in the air if an appropriate reaction had been present. However, Kimmel had apparently done nothing to make sure the men would be ready and react wisely. Sure, the same thing happened to others as well, like Stalin refused to believe Germany would attack. However, at this point, there was a huge war going on in Europe, Africa, and Asia, so how religiously stubborn would one need to be to believe nothing could ever happen to the USA?
The Oklahoma _did not_ have geared turbine main engine, it had (as you noted just a second earlier) a triple-expansion reciprocating main engine. The Nevada had been fitted with a geared turbine. (Edit: Nonetheless, an _amazing_ job by all involved! _Most_ impressive.)
6:10 The UUS Delaware was not the first American dreadnaught battleship. The USS Michigan was laid down on Dec 17, 1906 and commissioned Jan 4, 1910. The USS Delaware was laid down Nov 11, 1907 and commissioned Apr 4, 1910.
Damn, it just hit me that those in the stadium probably had no idea about the attack until they left, unless announced at the game which doesn't seem like the case. So I was in the band during university at CU and our phones were generally pretty omnipresent. Games would be hours long, setting up rides with parents and friends after was convenient, and the directors definitely didn't mind all the free advertising the gbmb got from the pictures we'd post of the games. The rest of the audience was definitely all connected as well, and there were the expected curated pictures of the game up on the jumbotron. I can say with a fair degree of certainty that any game that happened at the same time as an event like this would have been over. Like, everyone would have started freaking out and left; there's precedent for the band getting out of a stadium when everything goes to shit. This was still a game in the modern age though, so I'm sure the guys in the booth heard the radio announcement. And they got to make the choice to let the game go on. The entire stadium couldn't just be mobilized immediately, there wouldn't have been any benefit to stopping the game due to an attack thousands of miles away.
The retaliation of the Russian troops against the German people comes to mind here. To me, it's amazing that there wasn't at least sporadic retaliation against Japanese and Japanese Americans living in Hawaii and the US mainland. Possibly reports of retaliation were suppressed.
It wasn't the same. Although civilians were killed in the PH attack, they weren't an intended target and at this time, war crimes committed against allied personnel in Asia had yet to happen. (Though we'd committed plenty against the Chinese and other Asians at this point.) The Soviets put up with sex slavery; artificial famines; massacres; medical experimentation and all other sorts of atrocities.
Is it just me or around 4:00 does Alan Zimm get quoted and then Indy says that Zimm "doesn't quite agree with this" implying he doesn't agree with his own quote? I think the quote is supposed to be attributed to Katherine Dillon, Donald Goldstein, or Michael Wenger right?
When you say nothing was done with the info from the radar station, do you mean that the station never sent the info, or that it was ignored at some higher level?
Fact-checking might not be the most glamorous of tasks, but it is certainly one of the most essential. It doesn't matter how good the historian is; simple human error happens to everyone. More often than not, the mistakes are seemingly harmless; an extra 0 at the end of a statistic, an incorrect date, a misspelled name. But more seriously, there might be a historic falsehood only recently disproved in the historiography or a misinterpretation of a primary source. No matter the mistake, our credibility is on the line when it happens. It is the last job before Indy or Sparty sits in front of the camera. Our fact-checkers make sure they don't make a fool of themselves.
One last thing, because we don't have the luxury of time or professional proofreaders, mistakes do sometimes slip through. That's why we're extremely grateful when our community points them out. It's embarrassing, sure, but it ensures we don't misrepresent a history that is so important to us all. So thanks to all you guys for that.
Francis
Episode Guide:
This is a 10 episode limited series within our weekly coverage of WW2 - to see the immediate events leading up to this day watch episode 119 from December 5, ruclips.net/video/DYUzmBuX-6Y/видео.html. Some of the events covered briefly as they start on this day, such as the invasions in the West Pacific will be covered in more detail in the coming weeks, especially in episode 120K (the 11th episode this week) coming out on December 12.
The playlist to get all these episodes in one go is here: bit.ly/Pearl-min-by-min
Before you comment, read our rules of conduct community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518
3:52 - When I mentioned that you would be doing this series to a good friend of mine, one a full generation older, he commented on how Japan never attacked the fuel tanks in the Navy Yard. So glad to see it discussed :)
Your line about the engines of the USS Oklahoma was a bit confused. The Oklahoma had 12 boilers feeding 2 triple expansion engines. Those converted the energy in the expanding steam into rotational energy, transfered through a gearbox into the two shafts. Turbines are a different type of engine rather than an addition to triple expansion engines.
I've really enjoyed the series of videos, keep up the good work. 😃
"prophesized [sic]"?
@@DERP_Squad I'll have to listen to the bit again, the confusion might be from that one ship of the class (Nevada) had geared turbines, and as you said, the Oklahoma stuck with triple expansion engines.
@@durhamdavesbg Roughly 7:40.
Sailor manages to grab the right wrench to undo a bulkhead while his ship is capsizing. While I'm over here making 20 trips to my tool box because I can't find the right wrench to do a brake job.
He was lucky. How many died because they did not have the right tool, found no exit, had no flashlight etc.
Yes, that was my reaction too. I wonder how many poor men had the wrong wrench, or no wrench at all.
meanwhile I lend out my tools and the A-holes I lent them too manage to lose one part and destroy another -__- never again. Have you ever seen a wrench bent because someone tried to apply more force by pulling on it with large pliers? I have now -__-
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 I know what you mean!
@@bezahltersystemtroll5055 It's a lesson every tool owner must learn. Never ever lend them unless you are willing to give them away. No exceptions.
19:45 Minecraft commander? I don't remember this mod
I was going to comment about this too. Am I hearing that right? The subtitles say that too.
That's also what I heard. Someone clarify lmfao
@@red_nikolai I'm fairly sure it was the actual title just that he was in charge of craft handling/disposing of naval mines
Google is not so bright, but here it is:
books.google.rs/books?id=wtVLAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA1519&lpg=PA1519&dq=minecraft+commander&source=bl&ots=dOxcIOdGZk&sig=ACfU3U0a_SfWrvPsR5sQd5rladCZSWvUGQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUyfzv5bztAhUhkcMKHQ5kAIgQ6AEwEnoECAsQAg#v=onepage&q=minecraft%20commander&f=false
Actually, it keeps saying: Commander Minecraft.
@@ShamanKish Only if he lived long enough to see the game of Minecraft debut XD
Getting trapped in an upturned ship slowly losing air is a nightmare
Most likely with no light either, I pray God had mercy on them and they were unconscious most of the time.
It was a nightmare for many that were outside, hearing the knocks of those trapped in the capsized ships, knowing full well that there was not much they could do as the sounds faded away..........
@@BHuang92 it has been said the tapping on the hulls of some ships went on for 2-3 weeks after the attacks until they fell silent.
Probably a lot on the Oklahoma died slowly. More died on Arizona but it was quick there for the most part.
@@cogman62 I am surprised they did not place explosive against the hull to blow a hole in it. While the blast might kill people trapped inside, it would have been a quick death for some otherwise doomed to slow suffocation, and it might even have allowed rescue of some not in the immediate vicinity of the blast. It would also have given air.
The point about the prophets of doom predicting that exports of iron to Japan would one day be returned as bombs was not an isolated event. Australia was a major exporter of pig iron billets to Japan while Japan was blitzkrieging through China. Similar misgivings were expressed by Australian unionists who slapped a ban on loading iron on ships bound for Japan. The then PM, Robert Menzies branded them communists and called in the army to load the ships. This earned him the nickname "Pig Iron Bob". There is an obvious irony in a union busting government using soldiers to load the raw materials that would eventually be used to attack them.
If I'm not mistaken, that was Sparty's voice doing at least one of those reminiscences during this video. Listen the voice you hear at 18.24.
You aren’t wrong
Two voices per the episode notes
That's what it sounded like to me too, and I'm hard of hearing so exactly the wrong person to ask to identify a voice by sound.
We continue to be amazed by the quality, depth and attention to detail in this (mega) ‘mini’ series. The Timeghost army has rightly placed its trust in its leadership (unlike some other fighting forces we hear about...)
Timeghost and Mark Felton are my goto channels for WW2.
They do there job right
Here's one detail he missed: Kermit Tyler and the Oahu US radar signal that picked up the Japanese planes coming to Pearl Harbor. Check here his and the entire WW2 story : ruclips.net/video/toJQIuPRJrU/видео.html
“Watch the live unfolding of Pearl Harbor while you do work today, you can still be productive” ~ Me, right now
I caught two before work, three more while there, the rest now that I'm home. I tried to be productive.
Narrator: He's lying!
I wish that was true
@@letsgobuffalo7 i wish too, now I’m working on an essay that was due yesterday.
Worth it tho
I cannot imagine the frustration and sorrow a commanding officer would feel after such a travesty. Any responsible man would blame himself somewhat, but there are so many different mistakes that were made and requests overlooked that it is the simple need for a fall man that allows us to blame a small number of individuals.
I'm glad that sailor had a well put head on his shoulders. Stopping his friend from shooting a random Japanese American civilian.
Wow! (18:56) Spartacus looks pretty good for a guy who survived grievous wounds way back in 1941!
For anyone interested, my friend who is an American of Japanese descent produced an excellent podcast called Campu about the Japanese internment camps. The series is available on Spotify, and the quality and stories are really breathtaking
Did he talk about Kermit Tyler and the Oahu US radar signal that picked up the Japanese planes coming to Pearl Harbor? Check here his and the entire WW2 story : ruclips.net/video/toJQIuPRJrU/видео.html
Kita Hanging out in his garden
Smoke coming from the door
Police: My god what is happening in there?!
Kita: Aurora Borealis?
@João de Arruda Campos Cardoso ..yes!
... may I see it?
@@aaronbanfieldTCM no
Kita the consulate is on fire!
"Nothing to see here, just us new belligerents in WW2 burning our documents." (Well, strictly speaking they had been fighting in China for years.)
19:40
Did I hear that correctly?
"She becomes the flagship of rear admiral William Furlong, *Minecraft* commander of the battle force for the American pacific fleet."
You did. He's the commander of the Minesweeping Force Pacific Fleet (ComMinPac) or 'Minecraft, Pacific Fleet'.
@@alexandercooken7171 Thank you for the clarification. I'm listening to these videos in the background, in which that phrase immediately distracted me.
I think Im gonna make a replica of this guy in minecraft now.
@@pg3384 oddly enough, i'm playing minecraft as i listen!
@@AbrahamLincoln4 Well, it was Furlong who intervened to get Nevada beached where a) should wouldn't block the channel, and b) sink in deeper water, so I think the guy could use some recognition :)
*"For 2600 years, our Empire has never known a defeat."*
- Hideki Tojo after the news of Pearl Harbor
"After 2604 years it knows defeat which can only be outdone by complete national annihilation. "
- Allied Powers about four years later.
Admiral Yi wants to know Tojo's location.
Invasion of korea? It Never Happened
@@pnutz_2 As Korean peninsula was part of Empire of Japan from 1906 (if I remember right) their invasion was successful.
@@vksasdgaming9472 *1910
18:24 you know its bad when you hear this music and spartacus' voice
Why did I not recognize his voice? Damn.
This whole thing is excellent so far, even by the series' normal standards.
I know it's a way off yet, but are you planning something similar for the Normandy Landings?
Kurks would be better. Way more epic battle.
@@aldreymenezes7652
Yes but Stalingrad was much longer than Pearl Harbor or Kurks. Its too dificult to do a minute by minute episode. I do hope they do something special for Stalingrad
Or Battle of Midway and Battle of Kursk
@@yatsumleung8618 or maybe every epic 1 day battle 😋
@@pjishomo definitely need a day by day special of Operation Market Garden. Oh, and what about D-day???
When I was a kid in a small Kentucky town, I asked my Father why his friend only had one ear? come to find out it was shredded by a Zero at Pearl Harbor.
Damm man
Mr Paris was a friends Father when I was a Kid . His hearing was real bad to the point of almost being Deaf . When the subject was brought up one day We were told he was at Pearl Harbor the Day of the attack. We all assumed his Hearing was Damaged that Day . He never talked about it .
I thought all the voices were recordings of the survivors until I heard Spartacus.
It's worth mentioning that the all-or-nothing armor layout is designed to actually help against the armor piercing ammunition that was in use, with the idea what they would penetrate the thin armor, arm, pass right through the ship and detonate on the other side of it.
And it came from some research done by the Center for Naval Analysis during the time that identified suvivor bias in the considerations for armor placement on bombers. Basically they realized that by armoring the parts of the aircraft that returned that had been shot to shit they weren't improving the aircraft's suvivability, and that they needed to armor the places that the returning planes WEREN'T being hit, because if those parts got hit, the planes didnt come back. Coincidentally these areas on a heat map of damage on the plane corresponded with the location of things like the cockpit, the engines and the control mechanisms for flight surfaces. Go figure.
This the best documentary on PH I've watched.
Rounding up Japanese-American civilians? That sounds like something we'll hear about from Sparty.
I would suppose in future War against Humanity episodes...
someone get hold of sulu
YEP, next episode!
Honestly though, the entire narrative about the US mistreating them is vastly exaggerated. Its a narrative mostly run by Wehraboos trying to explain how the US wasnt better than nazi germany.
@@Chrischi3TutorialLPs So you are cool with the rounding up and internment of US citizens for no offense. Got it.
I'm 20min behind but this is still so cool.
Same but for me but work comes first so I knew I'd be behind.
Only 20?
Lol, I can't keep up
Wait, you guys are keeping up?
@@fidelismiles7439 had a great time yeah
Like in nanjing?
That postman is quite the MVP, carries out his job while hell lets loose around him.
I have tryed to put my self in the shoes of these people who lived and died in Pearl Harbor while watching this series. It’s absolutely terrible. You guys at ww2 in real time are very good at this thank you
"...It is of no significance.." I'd like a dollar for every time that guy must have said "if only.." after 7th Dec 41...
As you get older you start marking time by significant events in your life. For all Americans it was the huge event and that was on the heels of the Great Depression and WW1. I met many WW2 vets in my life and every one could remember their military service in detail. One guy knew he killed 8 Germans and vividly described his first kill. For the millions of dirt poor guys most from little towns and farms, WW2 was THE only big event in their lives. That's why they were so willing to talk about it, as long as the listener showed interest in their experience.
@@LuvBorderCollies WWII is easily the most significantly event of the last 200 years if not the most significant event since the death of Christ.
@@Quincy_Morris In addition to that it covers a wider spread of the globe as opposed to World War One. So through the study of the conflict, there is more potential to become more geographically knowledgeable. But the dominance of oil burning ships as discussed in this video and the increase in the use of the combustion petrol engine vehicle consumer market following World War One illustrates the expansion of French and British colonialism in the Middle East. However, having said that there was a decrease in the colonial mindset from the British perspective in relation to the country of Egypt gaining more independence from 1922 than it had previously enjoyed during the days of the Anglo-Egyptian Sudan arrangement. But one cannot deny that the concept of the 'Air Force' and the early beginnings of conventional tank and naval warfare will always rest with World War One.
Kimmel : "it is not of the slightest interest... and he throws it in the trash can" (29:53) I am speechless
Kimmel: WE FOUND TWO JAPANESE CARRIERS!!!!!
USS Minneapolis: We don't see them.
Kimmel: You are fake news.
Oh, that aged fantastically! Great joke!
I’m surprised Kimmel didn’t see Japanese torpedo boats
The big blunder it's how nobody asked the radar guys, who even plotted the enemy plane's routes.
@@ivannierez7731 It's a way bigger blunder that they never reported any of this. Incompetence in many parts of war is just straggering.
I'm stationed at Schofield. Its so interesting watching this and knowing all these areas/bases, recognizing some of the areas and of course my own base. I could find my neighborhood on Schofield on the map shown(idk if my apartment was built)
Quick disclaimer. On the map, Sterling was in Wahiawa. That's the town right outside off base if Schofield/wheeler.
Wheeler and Schofield are close enough to be one base. Its literally only separated by one civilian road.
Map, I've driven around and done runs around wheeler airfield, the last position I was in had my driving by all the time. The same airfield bombed in this documentary
Your point about the anger is well taken. My Dad was 6 years old when this happened, and living in a very Liberal part of Brooklyn. To this day, he remembers the anger, of people taking everything they owned that was made in Japan and throwing it into the street, smashing it, burning it. He had never seen so much rage in his life, and it was throughout the entire population.
This is gold!! This should be shown in every history class in America 🇺🇸
Cant wait for the coverage of the real Japanese inspired insurrection on Niihau , Although small it stoked the fears of the Japanese in america
18:25 as i heard spartacus voice, i couldn't help and think about the eastern front, and how much more people were dying in the eastern front that it pales in comparison to what we have seen so far in pearl harbor.
As the saying goes: "WWII was won with British intelligence; American steel and Soviet blood."
I dont know about anyone else but I have read survivor reports from the USS Oklahoma and it really tugs at the emotions, reading the experiences of the men who fought for survival in the upturned ship and the many who did not make it. I will always remember Pearl Harbor and the men lost that day
Thanks!
Thank you Robb
I swear the commentary is so brilliant and vivid that I felt like and coulda sworn I watched a movie on pearl harbor last week, only to realize it was just me listening to this series!
3:42 and there is a name we shall remember very well for the rest of the Pacific Theatre, even will have a carrier Class named after him.
I was interested to find out that more sailors serving on the Arizonans survived than I thought. For some reason I was under the impression that only 1 or 2 people from the Arizona survived. It was actually closer to 400.
The opening dialogue. My great-grandmother, born 1900 always spoke of the attack on Pearl Harbor in terms of its deception, the presence of the ambassador during negotiations. She went to work in a Douglas Aircraft assembly plant, he son my great uncle into uniform with the army ultimately serving with the forces in Europe, seeing Daccau among the other tragedies of the conflict.
When I served at Pearl Harbor my commands HQ was in what was left of the old Pearl Harbor hospital. When I did night patrols of the building I used to hate going in that basement....a part of the patrol was the buildings server room in what was the morgue of the base...i never could go in there without feeling nervous.
outstanding work explaining all about the Japanese subs during the attack on pearl harbor. This has always been one of my favorite aspects of the attack but one of the least talked about. I would LOVE TO SEE a special episode on these subs and their use by the Japanese throughout the war. Great job guys !!
"Take a good long look; I hope none of you ever see a day like this again. You know, nobody will ever know what it was like, but maybe the one's who lived through it. You just be damned sure you don't forget the one's who didn't. - Sgt 'Gunny' Laughton, Medal of Honor Rising Sun.
The series has been phenomenal
Thank you!
You’re phenomenal!
My Dad, age 17, skipped school with several buddies on Monday the 8th to go to Wheeling WV to enlist. The recruiter threw them out for being "still wet behind the ears.". My Grandma refused to sign papers for him, so he enlisted in the Marines the day after his 19th birthday.
He'd spent a year in college, so the Marines put him in the V-12 program, which turned him into a 2nd Lieutenant in 12 months; continuing his education at Muelenberg College in Allentown PA.
An air raid warden pushed him into my Mom's house during a blackout drill. The rest is family history.
Fantastic! Up there with the best WW2 documentaries. Would be great to see more of these "minute by minute" mini series on major battles.
@Josh Meads Thanks! Our next big project is coming up next year for D Day
5:09 I'm now beginning to wonder if this recording is actually her because the audio sounds so authentic. Good job to this Channel on that.
20:46 >Destroyer Blue
Something familiar...
Somewhere somewhere Savo Island and Guadalcanal...
Back in the early 70's the Scout Master of the Boy Scout troop I belonged to was a young Marine at Pearl on that day. He took a 7.7mm round in his chest, it was never removed due to the proximity to his heart.
Still catching up and still impressed with the quality of this series.
Tha` Holy WRENCH!!! Blessed be The WRENCH!!!!
I love the ship descriptions
This was brilliant, bravo to the TimeGhost team.
I know that this is probably the last takeaway that I should have from this excellent video, but I still can’t believe that old mate’s name is *Husband*. What a bizarre thing to name a child. Can you imagine having a newborn baby girl and naming her “Wife?”
this channel is very underrated so remember to like, comment, and share.
20:54 USS Phoenix. Post war transferred to the Argentine. Sunk by HMS Conqueror in the South Atlantic in 1982
Your series has to be the best I have seen.
I'm so gripped, the joy of binging these horror stories presented so professionally is a great pleasure! Still is painful to vividly empathize as, well, if you stare into the void, it will stare back at you...take that as you will. Another AAA+++ episode.
Military Medical personnel, a truly great group of men and women. Thank you all for your service. Keep the videos coming mate.
Indy - a great asset to the field of history.
Your diligence, research, staging and delivery are first rate.
Now on episode 8, two left to go
Wild Geese fan by chance?
@@ericmichels6158 yes
(26:14) I thought the Japanese spy who told the Japanese gov't about the fleet movements and security measures at Pearl Harbor was actually Takeo Yoshikawa (working under the alias Tadashi Morimura) and posing as vice-consul, under Nagao Kita at the Japanese Consul.
Superb, splendid narrative.
Thank you!
My father told us about that fateful day. The news broadcasts on the radio were terrified and rumors were running rampant across his small Pacific Ocean coastline town. People were scared and believed anything that was told to them.
Which is similar to the reactions Americans had on 9/11.
Honestly people trying to round up random middle eastern american civilians.
7:19
That photo is said to show a sub attack under way. You can see the torpedoes in the water heading for the ships. It's over on the left side towards the middle - you can see some water being disturbed from incoming fire from the ships.
Another brilliant and thoroughly well researched video,and Indy is one of the best presenters I’ve seen
I've been aboard the USS Texas and the USS Yorktown (CV-10), they're just amazing works of engineering. Can't imagine seeing one one fire.
Excellent video as always.
One small correction, despite being in the same class, Nevada and Oklahoma had different propulsion systems. Nevada had turbine propulsion - the first American capital ship to have another set of turbines geared for cruising at lower speeds. Oklahoma had the older vertical triple-expansion engines instead (that were outdated for any kind of dreadnought), not turbines as well as you stated in the video. Triple-expansion engines produce a lot of vibration at high speeds, which is one reason they were phased out in favour of increasingly sophisticated turbines. Soon after this, US designs switched to turbo-electric drive, using steam turbines to generate electricity and then turn the screws with electric motors.
Arizona was scheduled for decommissioning in 1942.
We all know Churchill’s relief that the US joined in, but I wonder about Chiang Kai-Shek, how did he react?
@@weirdshibainu They both decided that the Japanese would eventually lose the war with the Americans in. It was just a matter of time.
@@danielmeyer818 Neither Germany nor Japan would have won total control. Germany had immense logistical problems, the same thing Japan had a problem with. They could have made peace but they would never have controlled all of Asia.
@@danielmeyer818 Doubt it. With Germany out of the picture how long do you think it would take for the Soviets to attack the Japanese? I doubt Stalin would put up with Japanese expansion in Asia. In 45 the Soviets overran the Japanese in Manchuria with ease.
@@danielmeyer818 Stayed out in what sense? The Japanese not attacking the US? That leaves the US in control of the Philippines, and 6 months later, the US has a striking force in range of the home islands, just waiting for the IJN to screw up and provoke. Just invade the west Pacific islands and leave Hawaii alone? You’ve still kicked over a hornet’s nest, MacArthur would still be pissed, and the USN Pacific fleet is still intact, and more than a match for the IJN.
The US might not have cared if the other colonies were conquered. But they weren’t about to let ANYONE else touch THEIR colonies.
@@demonprinces17 Perhaps a little amazed that the Japanese had done something so stupid.
Indy dressed like a detective connected the pieces to the backstory of these ships. I love it.
Frank DuBosque was the gunner who fired the round from the 5" gun turret from the Brooklyn class light cruiser , USS ST LOUIS , CL-49 , into the mini sub that was spotted after the two torpedoes it launched at St Louis exploded harmlessly on a shoal. It was a direct hit but the round did not explode ( detonator not set was why ). The gunner and crew were told not to talk about the sub but if pressed were to say it was a whale that was spotted instead. That is part of how the "Lucky Lou" legend begins and many years later , in his old age, Frank was awarded a service medal for that action at Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41. The part that is less known is that it was the second sub it sunk that day after ramming another one first. The minor hull damage to St Louis via the ramming of the first submarine was not repaired until several months later and was not repaired at Pearl Harbor either. You did not mention that one so you may have to dig deep. The son in law of the gunner was a history teacher in New Jersey ( now retired) and I learned this info from him. I also am a long time friend of Frank DuBosque's youngest son Ken who gets a thank you for his late Fathers actions that day every Dec 7 from a few of those that still remember Pearl Harbor. Both subs that were sunk by the USS ST LOUIS were found many years later in a mix of dredged up scrap that was removed from the Harbor and dumped at sea.
Prime example of the Fog of War. Something is happening, but exactly what, has yet to be determined.
20:35 USS Phoenix (later ARA 25 de Mayo, sunk in the South Atlantic Conflict of 1982).
Brilliant content thank you!!!!
12:49 a wrench is an adjustable spanner - maybe not so lucky?
Kimmel dumping the message in the trash warning of possible attack = he deserved a court martial at the least.
I forgot that there was basically a hole nother war happening on the other side of the world, lol.
Indeed lmao. You get so invested in on this that you forget about the Soviets, The Nazis, the Holocaust, etc.
@@AbrahamLincoln4 Thank you, Abraham.
Kinda give you an idea of the sheer scale of this conflict. It boggles the mind.
Thanks for the research presented with vim and verve.
4:01 I have frequently heard that not destroying the navy yard was a big mistake by the Japanese and a stroke of good fortune for the US. 4:30 “Alan Zimm does not agree with this. Doing the math, that an attack wave on the Navy Yard would likely destroy no more than six percent of it, and that the destruction of a building does not necessarily destroy its contents, and that civilian facilities at the port of Honolulu could be used for service and repair.” This is the first I have heard a good counter-argument, and it makes the Japanese ending the attack after the second wave seem less a blunder than I previously thought.
"Minecraft Commander".... is that the Navy equivalent to armchair general? Great title, anyway :D
Someone needs to keep the Navy Minecraft server up.
USS South Carolina was the first US Dreadnought. The VTE engine on the Oklahoma was the last Battleship with the obsolete VTE engine
So, Admiral Kimmel is reassigned to count bath tubs in Albuquerque.
Poor guy, so much training and dedication over the years to lose it all in one colossal fuck up, incapable of even saving face.
Such is fate, it can make someone a hero or goat.
Retired in 1942, although he lived until 1968.
@@stevekaczynski3793 That's what happens to disgraced military leaders, they are never fired instead they are given the choice to retire or face a commission of inquiry.
@Troy Staunton It wasn't fully or only his fault, but he also had a giant amount of fault. It was up to him to decide how ready Pearl Harbor would be with the resources available. Which commander ever would have had all the resources they wished for? Pearl Harbor was utterly pants down unready. Nobody gave a damn about the multiple sub sightings. Nobody paid any attention whatsoever to the radar reports. These two things, for example, were 100% Kimmel's faults. Sure, they wouldn't have saved everything, but there would have been a whole lot of American fighters in the air if an appropriate reaction had been present. However, Kimmel had apparently done nothing to make sure the men would be ready and react wisely. Sure, the same thing happened to others as well, like Stalin refused to believe Germany would attack. However, at this point, there was a huge war going on in Europe, Africa, and Asia, so how religiously stubborn would one need to be to believe nothing could ever happen to the USA?
Very entertaining and informative series. Love it.
19:46 William Furlong was a what Commander? I cannot quite make it out and... well the autogenerated subtitled don't quite help in that regard.
nevermind, it DID say that. It was an actual Title, I know this now.
Thank you for this amazing work...
Imagine being one of those smaller subs throughout the attack. Quite honest it’s pretty terrifying.
What a fantastic narrator!
20:35 PHOENIX!
26:28 Pretty sure that circle would be red, not blue.
The Oklahoma _did not_ have geared turbine main engine, it had (as you noted just a second earlier) a triple-expansion reciprocating main engine. The Nevada had been fitted with a geared turbine. (Edit: Nonetheless, an _amazing_ job by all involved! _Most_ impressive.)
6:10 The UUS Delaware was not the first American dreadnaught battleship. The USS Michigan was laid down on Dec 17, 1906 and commissioned Jan 4, 1910. The USS Delaware was laid down Nov 11, 1907 and commissioned Apr 4, 1910.
Damn, it just hit me that those in the stadium probably had no idea about the attack until they left, unless announced at the game which doesn't seem like the case.
So I was in the band during university at CU and our phones were generally pretty omnipresent. Games would be hours long, setting up rides with parents and friends after was convenient, and the directors definitely didn't mind all the free advertising the gbmb got from the pictures we'd post of the games. The rest of the audience was definitely all connected as well, and there were the expected curated pictures of the game up on the jumbotron.
I can say with a fair degree of certainty that any game that happened at the same time as an event like this would have been over. Like, everyone would have started freaking out and left; there's precedent for the band getting out of a stadium when everything goes to shit.
This was still a game in the modern age though, so I'm sure the guys in the booth heard the radio announcement. And they got to make the choice to let the game go on. The entire stadium couldn't just be mobilized immediately, there wouldn't have been any benefit to stopping the game due to an attack thousands of miles away.
”Rear Admiral William Furlong, Minecraft Commander” oh, how i envy his title!
The retaliation of the Russian troops against the German people comes to mind here. To me, it's amazing that there wasn't at least sporadic retaliation against Japanese and Japanese Americans living in Hawaii and the US mainland. Possibly reports of retaliation were suppressed.
It wasn't the same. Although civilians were killed in the PH attack, they weren't an intended target and at this time, war crimes committed against allied personnel in Asia had yet to happen. (Though we'd committed plenty against the Chinese and other Asians at this point.)
The Soviets put up with sex slavery; artificial famines; massacres; medical experimentation and all other sorts of atrocities.
Ily all for making this amazing series
Drachinifel has a 3-part series on PH aftermath, 'what are the next steps for salvage?'
One error i noticed: You called the Delaware-class the first American Dreadnoughts, but in fact the South Carolina-class was the first
14:30 Good points about radar.
18.36 I hear you Spartacus :D. Voice changer not withstanding. It's also one of the same soundtracks from War Against Humanity
Is it just me or around 4:00 does Alan Zimm get quoted and then Indy says that Zimm "doesn't quite agree with this" implying he doesn't agree with his own quote? I think the quote is supposed to be attributed to Katherine Dillon, Donald Goldstein, or Michael Wenger right?
When you say nothing was done with the info from the radar station, do you mean that the station never sent the info, or that it was ignored at some higher level?