I remember when I was learning to drive my instructor told me that while it's legal, it's best not to change lanes on a roundabout as it can be confusing for other drivers
true , it is uncommon and in alot of cases impractical to change lane sin a roundabout , but for this video its more address the issue of if its legal , not often you will need to do it (legally anyway )
that is true - but the traffic entering has to give way cause im in the roundabout anyway - from a 2 lane roundabout into a one lane exit that is like a dogs leg
the instance where you would have to indicate changing lanes is where two lanes enter into a round about from one direction but is single lane from the other. many driver believe they can enter from the inside lane to the outside without indicating.
@ 2:17, it's okay to turn left into either lane yes, but not okay to drive down the middle using both lanes for 100m till you decide which lane you want.
Hi Andrew re he rules , no , re the two system there would be no traffic coming from the right as they have to stop and give way to traffic turn left, and No the rule for turning into any lane is the same in all states sin Australia , a urban myth or Chinese wispier thing that some people thing you have to go the inner ?left lane :)
@@ScottsCarcameras there is a difference which may only apply in Victoria. If the road is marked with broken lines that specify the turn (hard to explain) then you must stay in that lane during the turn. (rules 29 and 33)
as a motorcycle instructor once told me: it doesn’t matter who’s in the right if you’re dead. If you survive long enough following the “road rules” to notice which ones most often cause near misses, just stop doing them (and start watching out for when other drivers do them and avoid them too)
It's been in folklore for the better part of a century. The saying, passed down to me from my father, is: "He was right, dead right, as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he were wrong."
Peter Brock, the famous Australian racing driver once said, people aren't taught to drive, they are taught to pass their test. I'm not a racing driver, but I fully agree.
The changing lanes while turning scenario is one manoeuvre that we were told not to do by driving instructors on an advanced driving course. I guess what's legal, and what's best practice are sometimes two different things.
@@bencodykirk I've done it but only because the lights only allwoed three cars through at a time and I'd been in the line for four changes of lights. While I would have got through on the fifth i wanted the person behind me turning right to be able to make it. They have thankfully adjusted the light sequence now.
Watching that last clip @@bencodykirk, I was pretty sure Scott here wasn't driving with any sort of due care or attention other than to the fact that he was ensuring he wasn't going to let the traffic light beat him.
Common road habits in Australia: 1: Sitting in the right hand lane on a freeway at 110 kph despite there being no traffic in the left lane. 2: Merging immediately from a side road into the right hand lane on a freeway and only doing 100kph for the next 4 KM before looking in mirror at queue behind you. 3: Pulling your truck into the right hand lane and doing 80KPH uphill overtaking another truck doing 79.8KPH and gradually slowing to 60kph near the crest of the hill, when you pull in behind the truck you failed to overtake. 4: Mirrors what are they for? Identifying the driver you slowly pulled out in front of and giving him the finger. 5: Sitting in the right hand lane at Canberra because you need to turn right somewhere in Sydney and you want to be ready for it.
Going through a service station to bypass traffic lights might be legal, but it’s a bit of a dick move. Usually because the people who do it drive flat out through the service station forecourt so they can beat everyone else. I’d rather we had more intersections in this country where you can turn left in red. They’re becoming more rare every year
Known as doing a 'rat run' for a reason. Left turn on red after stopping and yielding is a great thing ! Agree there should be more of this, if done right it saves a lot of hold ups, improves traffic flow, but if done like the yanks often do it, well . . . it's then a sh!tfest of accidents.
2:01 imagine how much better traffic would flow if the blue vehicle (which is in the left hand lane) had to enter the new road in its left hand lane? The car offscreen to the top (indicated by the black arrow) could turn at the same time as the blue vehicle - each vehicle having its own lane to enter in to.
Hi well actually they’ve already done studies trials and research into this over a long time and have found that that actually doesn’t let the traffic flow better. It has the opposite affect by making the turning traffic turning left go into the left lane then have to try and change lanes afterwards reduces traffic flow as well. Traffic turning right going into the right lane then wanting to change to the left lane causes traffic jams , having 2 sets of traffic then trying to change lanes against each other after a turn dramatically slows traffic Furthermore one of the main reasons they don’t do this is because when they do have systems you do have two traffic turning right and left into the same road at dramatically increases the amount of accidents Drivers when turning don’t maintain their line correctly parts of the vehicles go into the other lanes and either cause crashes or cause cars to have to hit the brakes in the other lanes which causes cars behind them to run into them what all sounds good on Paper but doesn’t work when you put it in the real world with humans and vehicles that don’t fit nicely into lanes that is why they have this system. It reduces the amount of accidents dramatically and increases traffic flow by allowing all the traffic from one Direction to go at a time smoothly and unhindered.
first, thank you for #4. I always turned into the lane I needed to be in when I need to turn next but my Australian wife told me I need to turn into the inner lane. I'm not from Australia so I did it like I learned it where I am from. second, even if it might not be a traffic violation to go across a petrol station I would consider it bad manners. A petrol station is private property after all and the owner or proprietor might not be too happy with drivers using the petrol station as a short cut.
Yes, I agree. There's legality and there's manners / not being a douche. There are a lot of things that are legal that really shouldn't be done in a civilised society. Sure, you can't get arrested or fined for them but it doesn't mean it's good practice.
When turning left at Green Light, choosing which lane you enter is practical and in no way impedes any other driver as the only person following on from you, are the cars directly behind you. Cars turning right into the 2 lane road have to give way. The crunch comes when the opposite right turning car fails to give way to oncoming (even if turning left) traffic, you.
@@StraightNoChaser86 Unfortunately in Poland it tents to be normal... A lot of people find themselves in the wrong lane on the roundabouts and the create traffic jams because they wait for people from other lane to let him through
if you're going straight ahead anyway, might as well just change lanes when you have exited the roundabout. Same with traffic light intersections. Rules are one thing, common sense another.
@@ScottsCarcameras I am a little worried about going through a petrol station to cut traffic because this video was about like 3 years old. Is it still legal to drive through a petrol station without stopping for anything?
Scotts Car Cameras - if you had to successfully complete the entrance exam in the last two decades, you’d agree an above average degree of intelligence is required for the job.
A servo owner here in QLD put a stop to it. It was right near a primary school, and the kids often stopped there for drinks/snacks. New chain across the "exit" people used to use. It had a couple nice big "no exit" signs attached. The first time a local ran into it, he had them charged with damaging his property and trespass, since they had no reason to be on his premises. The kids felt a bit safer as well.
At approx 2mins 19seconds into this when the two cars turned left into the Airport/ Eastern suburbs road and could go into either lane, the black SUV in front straddled both lanes after turning for a distance which is actually a fine and loss of points, so hardly "right" oh his part.
I maintain double lane roundabouts are dangerous. Because if turning right you must cross the outside ring to exit. I still despise them. Plus most are too small to change lanes on.
Why do so many drivers fail to change the blinker from right to left when leaving the roundabout. Pedestrians hate trying to cross at roundabouts because they can’t tell what the traffic is doing
its hard to do with certain cars i.e. 2005 - 2015 BMWs or Teslas because they have a stupid stalk behaviour which makes it hard to engage th blinker of the opposide side.
@@kingprone7846 both of which are likely automatics? Somehow I manage just fine changing gear with left hand, clutch with left foot, alternate brake and throttle with right foot, steer and indicate out of roundabout with right hand...
0:35 I use this as an example when people say you can’t change lanes in an intersection. A roundabout “IS” an intersection. It is where “roads intersect”, so ‘yes’, you can change lanes in an intersection. If you couldn’t, you would be stuck on the inside lane if every roundabout, going round, and round, and round for the rest of your life.
yes , the point in the video is to explain to those who dont know that you are legally required to stop for a yellow , BUT avoiding a crash is always an exception to rules , its never a good idea to slam your brakes on to stop for a yellow , its always only if you can stop safely , but to those who see the yellow and hit the accelerator to get through before the light goes red , thats a no and the same fine a running the red
dmyl004 no, 70k zone, about 75m out from lights, L plater over compensated.. EDIT: to be clear, there was ample time to stop normally, it wasn't like there was 20m between the lights and him/her, but still scared the shit out of me ... 3 second rule saved by car
@@-Yogo depends on what the speed you are at. Fines are not only if you don't stop on a hard stop but the yellow light fines are if you had plenty of time to stop but chose to hit the accelerator instead
I am a driving instructor. Thanks for the video. But it is illegal to pass the petrol station to avoid the red light or avoid traffic because you are illegally to use the foot path. You'll be fined and loss points in NSW, Victoria and west Australia., so Don't do that.
Hi well I hope your nit charging people money :( lol No that’s incorrect , hard to understand your broken English not there is no such as “ you are illegally to use foot path “ not sure what you meant to say , but you obviously drive over the footpath to enter and exit a petrol station to stop and get fuel , so not different here and this is no fine or points for it ! please re read the rules you instruct any one else :)
Thanks for your quick response. According to Australia Road Rule 288 Driving on a path. A driver must not drive on a path unless certain conditions. I don’t think passing the petrol statioin ( in NSW) to avoid traffic light or traffic jam is legal. Also, when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal and will be fined. I am not going to challenge you, but just try to find out the fact.
Hi No i have covered this already in other comments an video's rule 228 means you cant use a footpath as lane tor drive down the road , you can obviously drive over a path to enter a driveway to your home or car park or business . this is obviously done a million time a day by drivers as that how it is meant to be done ! that's why if you actually read and under the rule is states you can driver over a path " b) driving on the path to enter or leave, by the shortest practicable route, a road-related area or adjacent land" which is what the law defines a petrol station , read related area , you this no law against driving into a petrol stain for obviously reasons , so the law doesn't care why you went in there if you stop for petrol or not , if you drove in there can found its closed and keep driving you not breaking the law , so No its not illegal's to drive through any road related area , if there a a MacDonald's or shopping center park and drive through it exit same thing no law broken and no fine , there is no such thing as :when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal " if you know rule 228 you know the legislation that the law and its shows no it legal and no fine ! there is no challenge as im not making option i just showing the correct facts . :)
I’m very concerned that someone who says their a driving instructor doesn’t know this rule. Correctly , if you don’t know the rules and your teaching others then this is the problem a why bad drivers exist
I AM SHOCKED at NUMBER 4. At 1:35 the first blue car should go into the closest lane then indicate if entering the right lane. The second blue car should go into the closest (R) lane. Because otherwise a car turning into there from top of picture can collide ! This seems crazy to me. Has the road rule changed? I bang on about people crossing lanes like this. And I've been in near misses recently because of this. How can you have people just picking any lane they feel like without indicating while others are entering those same lanes from elsewhere? If I'm wrong about this rule I have to find out more.
No the rule has never changed it always been like but the reason videos like this exist is because many people like yourself either were taught incorrectly or just got confused, and No it’s not crazy they can not collide as the car Turing right can not turn at the same time they must wait and give way and turn only when clear , covered this in another video :) ruclips.net/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/видео.html
@@ScottsCarcameras ruclips.net/video/0iwk9LYdS_w/видео.html This video, although from NZ, shows what I mean. Now I need to know if it differs between states. My friend was pulled over in Canberra by an off duty policeman for crossing lanes while turning. I was in the car and I "knew" or thought my friend was wrong to do so. So there's a policeman agreeing with me.
So far this is what I find. Official road rules are showing that you can pick which lane to turn into from a single lane. Incredible! This is important stuff here. I was taught the nearest lane rule, other videos show it, and I met one police officer who thought so too. And yet apparently it is wrong. This means I must give way when turning right into the multi-lane. (Which I have only done by being cautious of people I thought were breaking the rule.) And that is the big takeaway. MIND BLOWN
Hi so yes a video from New Zealand is not relevant as different countries have different rules they do it differently in America like they have different rules in the UK or USA has no bearing on Australia so they just remove that from the equation no this does not differ from any states this is an Australia wide rule it is the way it works in every state and always has your friend in Canberra was not pulled over for doing the example in the video if they were pulled over for something it would have been for a different offense possibly disobeying a sign saying you must stay in a certain lane crossing an unbroken line or perhaps it was a multi lane turning lanes and he changed lanes without indicating in the example in the videos there is no rule so the policeman did not pull them over for that
Hi well you where you say so far you can stop now because you don't need to go any further I've already done the research when I've made these videos that's and this has already stuff that was taught when you get your drivers license if you were taught then nearest lane then whoever taught you was a bad teacher there is no videos in Australia that show this because that's not how it works in this country and the police offer you you met was either a moron which most are or he didn't understand the question you're asking yes you must give way when turning right at all times you cannot turn at the same time as other traffic so yes you've been doing it wrong the entire time as I've as do many people hence why I've made videos like this to try and help people get it right and reduce accidents and road rage :)
5, 3, and 1 I had no clue were legal. Although, changing lanes on a roundabout should be illegal because indicating can confuse other drivers as there are two options for intentions, as well as spacial awareness being compomised due to different rear mirror viewing angles and cars frequently entering and exiting. Changing lanes in an intersection should mostly be fine, although they are more dangerous areas where the driver should be paying full attention to cars that might enter unexpectedly. And increased traffic through a service station that isn't intended to be used as a thoroughfare would heighten the risk of accidents.
Turning to take either lane... At 1:32 the diagram shows a green and a blue car both turning right into 3 lanes. Why does the blue car get to choose which lane it wants while the green car is shown with only the closest lane as the turn option?
Hi , in that example they show that setup , in the real road there will be dash lines on the road showing what lane or lane you can turn into , in these setups they typically do it this way to allow large vehicles ie trucks , buses to use two lanes for easier turning and but there are setups where green car would have tow lanes to turn into and it would be shows on the road with lines and/or with signs :)
Yes and thats the problem , so many people think thats how its works and create accident and road rage , example you turn right into a 3 lane road and want to then turn left , so you go into the far right lane and the then indicate to go to change lanes twice , meanwhile the car behind goes straight into the far left lane and now your about to crash into them as there besides you , another issue is when driver think traffic in both directions you can turn left and and right at the same time ( as they think everyone must same in the elf tor right lane) and those turning right dont give way and a crash or near miss causes aggression happens , thats why all drivers need to know the correct road rules , take care :)
Yep, that's how it is here in Canada, too. Whether you are turning right or left you turn into the nearest lane and then merge over. That way two cars can turn onto the same street at the same time. You can also get a ticket for an improper turn if you turn into the far lane.
If you are right and this is allowed then it shouldn't be! This is a really stupid rule and is as illogical as it is dangerous. Turning left you should turn into the left most lane and if turning right, into the right most lane. It's the drivers that cross lanes often indicating one direction while changing lanes in the other direction that make it dangerous! It hinders traffic flow by preventing two drivers turning left and right at the same time. It's dangerous because you can have the driver behind you change lanes to the left while turning right and passing you on the left! If you look at the road from above you will see that turning left does feed into the left-hand lane and the same for turning right. You need to change your line mid corner to go into the outer lane. As for changing lanes in a roundabout... Geez, a good percentage of drivers don't know how to indicate correctly let alone change lanes safely as well. Shouldn't be allowed and the roads should be designed to not allow it. I'll repeat what a few other people have commented. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you should ever do it!
You guys miss the point. If it's one lane turning into multiple lanes then they can pick any lane. If it's two or more lanes turning into multiple lanes then there are almost always dotted lines marking the lanes you can turn into. It's so simple if people actually pay attention to the markings and use common sense.
Andrew Holmes It's actually quite straightforward in Australia but some people just don't seem to graspnthe concept. Just follow the lane markings and there should be no problems. Also it's so hard to describe all this without showing it, which causes more confusion.
In North America, cars turn left and right simultaneously so you have to go 'centre to centre' (left into left lane and right into right lane) if you want to avoid an accident. The example at 1:10-1:20 is a bit of a grey area in my opinion. Where the car entered, only one car can turn right. You must give way to any car that enters the roundabout before you. If the car behind tries to overtake it and hits it, has it failed to give way to a car already in the roundabout? What is the difference between a car turning right at an intersection and choosing any of 2 or 3 lanes to turn into and a roundabout? You're being inconsistent if you allow one but not the other. In fact at 1:47, it could be argued that to turn left into the right lane, you have to do it at the point of the intersection rather than 10-50 metres down the road. You can't really overtake someone in a roundabout if you enter the roundabout at a different entry point to them because you don't know what the roadmarkings are at their entry point. You may be able to turn right from the left lane at your entry point but they can exit where you would go straight ahead, hence the rule that you have to give way to those already in the roundabout! Allowing to overtake another vehicle in a roundabout only makes sense if you entered at the same entry point and know what they can and can't do because you've also seen the road markings.
Hi could not understand you comment at all , no one is overtaking any one in a roundabout and cant understand where you have referend to "What is the difference between a car turning right at an intersection and choosing any of 2 or 3 lanes to turn into and a roundabout? " not use what you are asking and saying " You're being inconsistent" this is no an opinion or feeling video its cut an paste of the facts / law with examples , best if you just re think what you want to ask and start completely over :)
@@ScottsCarcameras "at all"? Really? You got absolutely nothing from that comment? Anyway, happy to elaborate. I said 'if' the car tried to overtake . That was to help explain the rationale for not overtaking in a roundabout. In the diagram/illustration of how to turn into another street, the arrows indicate that the vehicle enters and chooses the lane to turn into, before leaving the intersection. Your example has multiple cars including yours entering the street on the left then changing lanes without indicating. Where in the road rules does it say you can choose your lane up to (insert x number of metres down the road here)? I do get it that practically, as a driver, you would do that and expect others to do it, but you like to be pedantic so I'm just pointing things out here. A roundabout is also an intersection. My comment about inconsistency was directed at the fact that the car that changed into the left lane without indicating when exiting the roundabout, was choosing a lane to exit the intersection in, which according to the previous example he/she was allowed to do. But on second thoughts, I grant to you that this is not technically relevant as the intersections are different types of intersections. Nevertheless, it is practically relevant because the cars on the left of the roundabout (if you had not been following) should not overtake that car. They have to give way to cars already in the roundabout. The car already in the roundabout does not cease being in the roundabout if the cars on the left had entered. So they still have to give way to that car and they don't know where it will exit. Those two cars on the left may have both been able to turn right from both lanes. We don't know what the road markings allow them to do. If the car on the left and in the left lane had entered (assuming you weren't following and assuming that car had stayed in the right lane but still exited at the same point) and tried turning right and also tried to overtake that car, there would have been a collision. Therefore you can only safely overtake someone in the roundabout if you entered at the same point because you know what the road markings allow vehicles to do at your entry point. You have to indicate left when exiting a roundabout 'if practicable to do so', thus you should not assume that someone not indicating left will continue in their lane in a roundabout, as it may not be practicable to indicate - they may be exiting.
Hello again we are unable to make heads or tails of your comment or what you’re asking or what you’re referring to. Perhaps it’s making sense in your own head but to someone else reading your comment you’re just jumping all over the place between multiple different points when you’re not actually referencing anything for us to check its justa bunch of random thoughts , if you have something you would like us to explain to you could you put it in a more step-by-step Logical question , example at 1:39 in the video driver a turns left into lane two etc etc This is what my question is about that and stay on that topic , then if you have another question reference the clip in the video by the time at and then put a comment a question specific question about what you want to know then we may be able can help you , for now we can’t understand what you are syaing or asking , There was no overtaking roundaabotu in the video or people changing lanes down the road etc. hope 3rd time lucky
At 1:34, is that the only legal combination possible (in NSW)? Can the green car turn right into any of the 3 lanes (if the traffic allows)? Similarly, can the middle blue car turn right into any of the 3 lanes?
Hey re-134 guess there are many possible combinations that can be done in use in all states this rule this the same Australia wide know the green car cannot turn into any of the three lanes in this example and neither can the blue as there are multiple turning lanes so it they will designate what Lane you can turn into in this example the green car must go to the right our lane only the blue car has the option of the middle lane all the far left lane for the blue arrows that could be reversed in a setup allowing the green car to go to the middle and right lanes it depends on how many turning lanes you have and how many lanes you can turn into but whenever there are multiple Turning lanes and you cannot turn into any Lane you wish in that only applies when there is a single turning lane when there are multiple there will always be - markings on the road and or signs telling you what lane to turn into that makes sense cheers
Road rules are great for everyone to have a common understanding - like the speed limits on the open road, but the *real* requirement is for drivers to be well trained & tested, cars to be well maintained - and to *drive for the circumstances/situation*. - a problem for a significant percentage of *licenced* drivers!
I think some of these rules only apply in NSW. Amber light means STOP if you can SAFELY. Lane change when turning at intersection. Not sure but in VIC you must follow the lane your in, as in, turning from outside lane into outside lane not changing to inside lane. You should turn into the lane THEN change lanes. Changing lanes in a roundabout, NO, complete your roundabout trip then change lanes. Doing a lane change in the roundabout is dangerous and could confuse other drivers. But as I said these rules you have highlighted may not apply in other states.
Hi Fred acutally NO all those rules you mentioned are the same in VIC and all states , unfortunately it’s a misconception many have I’m trying to help educate on , with that in mind how did you come to think all these things ?
HI Fred now i have more time i can reply in more detail , so as i said No there rules are the same in Vic 1. its a yellow light :) and yes same law in Nsw and vic (all states ) as said in video you MUST stop if you can stop safely before reaching the stop line law 57 2.NO in Vic same when turning at an intersection with only one turning lane you can turn into any lane , 3.YES you can change lanes in a roundabout as long as you obey all other rules , see links :) www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s57.html would love for you to reply so i can discuss with you where you got the incorrect information from helps me with promoting the rules and educating Thanks
Fred Nutz you know if I had dollar for every time I had someone say , oh no it’s different in Victoria I would retired , I don’t why it is that think the rules are different in VIC when they clearly aren’t , very poor driver education and training in there , must poor drive schools , government body not teaching , maybe it’s the idiotically thinking of many of the population in that state , :(. Glad I don’t live there the new Mexico
HI , No re 3:16 you have obey all other road rules so if there are unbroken lines you can’t change lane or if in a lane with direction arrows or signs saying you must only left or right you can nit change lanes to go in another direction ie straight , same applies to roundabouts, :)
@@ScottsCarcameras wow didn't expect a reply from an old video especially within minutes to XD, I didn't know you could change lanes in a roundabout I thought you couldn't cause on the learner's test it said you can't until I saw this video and I googled it. apparently google knows the road rules better than the government
I'm shortly emigrating to QLD from the UK. I find it astonishing that you can turn onto a three lane carriageway into any lane you feel like. If you were seen by the police doing that in the UK you'd get pulled over and ticketed without doubt. It's always, always been you occupy the leftmost lane available at ALL times, I'm amazed that there aren't constant collisions, especially on roundabouts, with the seeming lack of lane discipline.
Michael well welcome to Australia unfortunately to help for when you get here we don’t have to caraways we call them roads :-) yes some people seem shocked at turning into lanes other than the nearest but that's actually a waste of time and it actually safer to turn into the lane you want then to turn into the nearest lane and then you have to change lanes later your double handling , so if you want to go to the third lane because you want to turn right go hundred metres why I get to the left lane and have to then make two lane changes while vehicle behind the same thing at different speed and increase teh chance of a crash , you turn directly to the way you want so I always find it strange what other people do seem to think it’s a bad idea I think it’s more the fact that they were taught to do it rather than what you don’t actually agree with it you juts find it for going , example people who use 4 way stop sign systems going to roundabouts , re constant collisions there can’t be a collision in this example because there are no cars to crash into as it’s a single turning lane there’s no one else around you therefore there’s no one else for you to collide with . I’m not sure what you mean about in reference to roundabouts having to do with this initial question ? :)
Here's a suggestion for another video. Normal residential single-lane streets that intersect with a main road. When exiting the residential street you could go left or right. Turning left means waiting for traffic from a single direction, while turning right means having to wait for both lanes. Thus turning right normally takes longer. Although there are no lines painted on the road, often roads have enough space for other cars to turn left, instead of waiting for the car in front to eventually turn right. My ex was in this common situation. A large truck was waiting to turn right into the main road. She carefully pulled up on the left and was waiting to go, when suddenly the truck driver decided he'd had enough of waiting, and decided to turn left, crunching her car in the process, since he didn't see it down there. The insurance company found her at fault because she should have waited for the truck to turn, and there were no lines on the road to legally create the space for her to turn from. I don't think anyone would wait for right-turning cars, and if there were space they'd just go for it and turn left.
hi I have done a video on a similar set up but it’s when there are two lanes on the road with no arrows not when it’s a single lane obviously when it is a single lane as you stated if there’s enough room you need to if you’re turning left or right you need to go as far to the left or right of robe as possible to allow others to turn at the same time without getting more details of your exes accident I can only assume that the truck driver probably said that he was indicating left the whole time and taking up it was on the right side of the road because he needed the space and given the large trucks have the do not overtake turning vehicle sign they would’ve found her at fault that if she had a dash camera to show he was Indicating right to start with the change he would’ve been found a fault as no camera it’s her word against his
@5:10, the car through the station did not stop before re-entering the roadway. Is that legal in NSW? It is not in the countries I have driven in (Europe, Asia, USA, Canada)
Thank you for your reply. We call it "Yield" and you call it "Give way". OK, so now bring us a vid of idiots who do not know what "Give way" means when re-entering the road way.... Of course, that is why you are required to stop in MOST countries... because people are idiots.... I admit to moments when i join that group of people . Cheers.....
By the way, all of this is the big reason I did not drive while visiting for six months a few years back. Mostly I was afraid of forgetting which side of the road I was supposed to be driving on. But the rules are (often, not usually) different from the USA. I was thinking that, if I was going to drive, then I should spend a day with a driving instructor instead of just using the international DL and forging ahead. Never did drive there and was fortunate to have a lot of friends while there... Cheers.
david beckenbaugh well that's no fun , I remember the first time I drove in the USA , turning left the first time going into the other side of the road felt so wrong , and I was wondering why I kept getting horns at me every right turn until I guessed it's right turn any time , managed to only turn the wrong way once so was proud lol
Ha! Lots of fun having beautiful blonde Australian women driving me around. You should try it sometime.... In the meantime, maybe you can hep me with a misunderstanding on my part. I watch the British road cop shows on youtube and, often at the end when they review the cases/people they run into, they say the person received a "Police caution". OK, so what does that do for the person that received it? Is it just a record where if they do something minor that they would get a "Don't do that again but I am letting you go", they now have this record and they get a citation for the minor occurrence? I know Australia is NOT Britain, but I am thinking much of the terminology is the same. Maybe a viewer can reply, also. We sometimes get excellent replies, though you have to weed through a lot from people who have no idea. Anyway.... Your thoughts?
1:22 I disagree with this one. There used to be a rule saying to turn from the nearest lane into the nearest lane (2nd lane into the 2nd lane etc). How many people have turned at a multi-lane intersection beside another car and they just guessed which lane to turn into, narrowly avoiding an accident. Good luck proving who was in the wrong.
Hi no i think you have misundersttod and and not watched that one corretcly , this rule is not for when there are muitple turning lanes , this is for when there is is only one lane that can turn on to a new road with more than one lane on that road , as in the exmaples in teh video , , so there are not two cars/ drviers turning at once , so no accidnet can happen , make sense now ? :)
As I can it now, someone is turning right at a roundabout and you are in the left lane (Straight through and right arrow) and you in the roundabout decided to change lanes, because you needed to go back to where you came from.
We hve a two lane street terminating at a traffic light to a twolane either way divided road. No markings so I usually stop in left lane to turn right into inside lane but most stopin right lane, turn right and often cross into the inside lane cutting across my bows. Can I turn right from left lane?
@@ScottsCarcameras Golding Dve and Richmond Road, Glendenning. Some traffic turns left, most turns right. My view is we can turn right from both lanes, not just the right lane.
HI so at that spot no you can only turn left from the left lane and right form the right , thats the standard rule when there are no arrows or signs , so if you turn right from the left lane and hit a car you are at fault / is cop see you , you will get a fine , i covered this in another video see here :) ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.htmlsi=Kd9KpB_PssoSKKas&t=434
@@ScottsCarcameras All of those examples seem to be 4 way intersections; although there is one where it could be a T opposite a driveway (to a fire station?). I think if it were the other way; turning left from both lanes and someone in the left lane wanted to turn right there could be a collision so as a blanket rule you can only turn one way from each of the lanes. Appreciate your feedback. I've been driving since 1979 and am a former Military Policeman, drive 40K a year and so on and I still think it is vital to keep up and refresh, re-educate. Thanks for your videos. BTW, I just returned from two weeks driving in the Philippines where it is anything goes!
Hi the example with the fire station is a three-way intersection. That’s a driveway not an intersection Road but serve no relevant. You could have a 4 5 or 6 way intersection its irrelevant of how many roads there are it purely as a dictation of the arrow markings on the road. If there are no arrow markings it’s left turn left lane only right turn right lane only as would say if you could turn in other directions then drivers at all. These examples could turn right from the left lane left from the right lane which just crashed into each other hence they would then sue everyone for having an incorrect route Setup.
You can't indicate for a turn and a lane change at the same time. That said, my driving instructor (Victoria, 38 years ago) was quite voiciferous about it being illegal to change lanes through a turn at an intersection. It's interesting to see the opinion that it's not illegal in NSW provided you're entering via single lane access. I'll have to double check here in Victoria. It's one of those unspoken things like cutting through a servo to evade traffic lights which I used to do a lot when driving small, manoeuvrable vehicles.
Hi Mark a few things to unpack here you can indicate to change lanes while making a turn.Yeah you’re driving instructor was probably not up-to-date back then it’s been legal to change lanes in an intersection in Victoria and all states in Australia except W.A. for over 60 years But this is changing lanes while going through intersection is not to be confused with turning at intersection So were you reference single lane Access to clarified this if you’re turning right or left from a single turning lane into a multiple lane road you can go into any lane you wish you’re not making a lane change you’re simply turning into a chosen lane If there are example 2 lanes turning right into a two lane road then it will designate which lane you have to turn into. Your new must follow that however unless there are unbroken lines or signs or something telling you you cannot you would be legally allowed to change lanes while making that turn for example you could be in the far right lane and while making the change the outer lane this would require bay all of the road rules i.e. if there are cars next to you you would have to give Wayne wouldn’t be able to make the lane
Wouldn’t the requirement to drive to the left mean that you would be making these manouvers in the left lane as much as is practicable? In Victoria there is a requirement to “drive in a manner to avoid a collision” which is as clear as mud that would mean changing lanes in a roundabout would land you in hot water. Also, both of my instructors and the Victorian L plate book stated that you must complete the manouver in the same lane as you started. I don’t have a licence and declined to renew my learners in 94 as driving was just not my thing. Not easy living without a car but can be done
Hi , you comment is a little unclear and incorrect in parts i will do my best to guess what you mean and explain , the first part re drive in left lane not sure if you are referring to using roundabout or intersection , but "drive to the left " doesn't mean anything with lanes or turning if you could elaborate i can explain more . re lane change in roundabout NO you can change lanes in a roundabout " drive in a manner to avoid collision" is a given but as long as you obey all other rules you can change lanes no issue. and re the driving instructors or book you may have misunderstood or the may have given incorrect info , drivers handbook for VIC s doesn't say that , but if you did your tests before 94 they may have amended it in VIC to be inline with national rules . if you need any more info let me know :)
I know that when I'm going ahead I should have right of way instead of cars indicate right in the opposite lane. When it comes to a busy intersection, several cars on the opposite lane are turning right(which is to my left), what should I do to show that I'm intent to going straight, also which position to wait for the oncoming traffic when there's no clear markings on the road?
I'm from the States and I'm scare to death to drive in Sydney, the roads are narrower, filled with potholes, missing signs and crooked asphalts. And drivers are very aggresive, specially the cab drivers.
Note rule 57(1)(c) which says if you can't stop before the line but cna stop before entering the intersectiomn then you need to stop before the intersection. People often think the first solid line is the only point to stop.
In VIC, it's the law to indicate right when entering a roundabout, and indicate left when leaving, but no one does it like that. They simply indicate left or right if that's where they're going, or they don't indicate if they're going straight. It's not legal to do it that way, but it's what everyone's used to, and it would be unsafe to do it differently. Driving instructors and Vicroads license testers even expect you to do it the "wrong" way.
Hi Thanks for your comment , to correct ti No that's not how the laws work in VIC , the rules for roundabouts are the same in all of Australia and teh same as in this video , you do not indicate right if going straight , if going straight you don't indicate ( left on exit is practical ) and ONLY indicate right if turning right , the idea to indicate if going straight is a myth and teh reason i made videos like this , i always ask people who comment here , where did you get this misinformation from ? :)
That's terrible that an instructor is giving out this misinformation , ive done the same training course and if they telling riders that is should be reported, always do your own research :) take care
When turning left at the lights and there is another car on the opposite side of you turning right (the same you are going) do you give way or does the car that's turning right give way?
Hi , short answer car turning right gives way , this is another one many are confused one , so it has its own video , please watch and if you still have any questions let me know :)ruclips.net/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/видео.html
If you are turning left, you have the right of way against someone turning right into the same road as yourself. Victoria changed to this rule when road rules were nationalised.
Just have to ask do this rules apply in Victoria. I'm right now going for my L's and I just want to make sure that I have a wide range of knowledge about the road laws before i do my test
Thorin Stewart to my knowledge they are all the same in Victoria BUT i know there are few different rules there such as hook turns etc , so recommend you check all , you may have this but is a drivers info for Victoria www.aasprint.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Road%20to%20Solo%20Driving%20-%20Vicroads%20-%20Jan%202010.pdf
My observations on these rules are:- Rules 5 changing lane on a roundabout is going to confuse other road users. Rules 4 is going to cause accidents where vehicles are turning ing from the other direction at the same time. Rules 3 shows poor road design, permitting parking that close to an intersection, especially the bus stop. Rules 2 it would have been helpful if the line about "if it is safe to do so" had been made clear. You are not going to stop if the tailgater behind is going to proceed.
Hi re Rule 5 thats on drivers to see indicators drivers changing lanes must have room to do it so it won't affect others and Rules 4 can not cause and accident as t vehicles are turning from the other direction are not allowed to turn at the same time. They must wait until all traffic has cleared before they turn , Rules 3 shows poor road design, permitting parking that close to an intersection, especially the bus stop. No all parking distance is set in the laws and no issue , re rule 2 safe is each drivers judgment , same as we judge safe , speeds , braking distance , not all can be set in black and white :)
@ScottsCarcameras here in NZ, there are many intersections where turning traffic can proceed from opposite directions, and if you don't turn into the appropriate lane it can cause issues. That being said, my observation of Kiwis over the past 15 years is that they are generally not good at following rules, so unless it is made impossible for them to do the wrong thing they will find a way to something they shouldn't.
I remember at intersections car turning right across intersection had right of way over car turning left into same lane (Victoria Traffic lights). Then they changed it to car turning left had right of way over car turning right so many more cars were banked up in intersection waiting for left turning cars opposite to clear.
HI the rule has not changed there has never been a time requirement on indicating for a lane change , however if teh runabout id very small you may not have enough time signal a lane change so doing one is not safe or practical and unable due to traffic in the roundabout so you wont not do it :)
Agree. It seems super risky, and as it is private property you are entering I think the law should require drivers to stay on the roadway and obey the signals. Likewise there are private dwellings on corners with driveways providing through access. Hard to believe the law is ok with you cutting through the property to avoid a red light!
Hi FYI no all is correct these are not opinions just copy paste of fact/law there is not such thing as "not allowed to as doing this will increase the probability of hitting a pedestrian" there is no law against driving in a road related area :)
Hi FYI its no classed a s private property is public access and open to public and the road laws sapply is sped dlimit s, stop signs , this is classed a sroad relate darea dn doesn't matter if its petrol station , car park etc all the same, and same if you take the red light was an dhave a stop sign intersection or roundabout same situation same laws :)
Scott, what I would really like to see you do is the full roundabout set of rules especially right of way requirements. I watch too many examples of motorists blowing up about heavy vehicles already in the roundabout. I am a former NSW driver examiner and would love to see people be made aware of these rules.
Hi i actual here done a full one and did roundabout rules in the vol 2 and 3 see links :) ruclips.net/video/MGQLghn5FlY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/видео.html ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.html
I remember many years ago hearing about a new rule announced in the media about how as of a certain date ,drivers must follow their lane through when turning, they couldn't drift into the next lane. I never heard it rebuked, but I believe you. I also heard in decades past how the Sydney harbour Bridge toll was about to be applied in both directions, & new learners must get an automatic transmission licence or manual/auto licence. Media must announce the less dramatic "government changed mind" as clearly.
Hi David so there was never a new rule going to be put in place can only assume you possibly heard something on TV with perhaps the topic was being discussed or someone was putting forward the idea but it was never at any point put in the legislation or was going to be this rule of the same for at least the last 55 years when I did the research on it :-)
Hello yes all of the rules in this particular video are the same in all of Australia. The only exception is rule number three changing lanes in an intersection. There are some slight variations on this rule in W.A. where you can only change lanes in an intersection if you need to either avoid an accident or an obstruction etc. And Queensland where they have unbroken lines before and after intersections you can change lines in the intersection but you cannot cross over those unbroken lines entering and exiting the intersection. The rest of the rules are universal for the rest of the country :-)
Glad you put out this video, cos I had been thinking of doing it..... we need this to go viral, but then again, drivers these days just don't care about the rules even if they take the time to learn them.With your incorrect example of lane changing within a round about, the car not only changes lane without indicating, however also crosses an unbroken line. road markings within roundabouts must also be obeyed.
Hi mate , thanks for watching the video m FYI the roundabout fail you mentioned , actually they were not unbroken lines , most rouandbouts have longer broken lane lines on the bend especially to help guide the traffic , you will note the lines are not continuous / unbroken for the whole length of the roundabout and even in the correct example and diagrams show similar lines , if a roundabout does have a continuous line will be for the whole way and usually done if there are two lines/ lanes of traffic but are going in different directions eg left lane only turn left , and usually will have painted arrows on the road , does that make sense ? Have a good one
@@ScottsCarcameras hi no I don't quite understand, I'm new to this so please forgive me, but at 2:30 when you want to turn right, there's 2 lanes you can turn into, what if there's only 1 lane you can turn into and do you have to yield to that car?
@@ScottsCarcameras please help me with this as I would really appreciate it, remember helping one is helping all, I will also do the same, teaching other people ❤️
Do the same for Western Australia jeez I live here from UK originally theses people don't know how to use roundabouts properly or merge properly onto a motorway etc
Seriously? There are 6 states and 2 territories in Australia all with different road rules. I suggest you change the title to "5 Misunderstood Road Rules in NSW".
Yes , so fyi the road rules for all of Australia as mostly the same in all states only a few road rules have so variation and change usually just in one state so the title and rules are valid and to show the rules in this video are all the same in all states , the only exception is the rule for changing lanes in an intersection its not legal in only WA unless there is an obstruction . everything else is the correct rule for all states :)
At a Traffic light, when there is a round green light only (& arrow turn light is blank), i can still turn, but just have to give way as if lights weren't there.......is that right?
what about when theres two lanes turning left with incoming 3 lanes? me and my friends always argue about this.. my friend said the car on the right turning left should go to the 3rd lane (very right). and the car on the left can go 1st or 2nd. but i thought it should be like the car on the left can only go to the 1st lane (very left) and the car on the right can go 2nd or 3rd lane.. which one is the right one? O.O
Hi Cherry that easy the answer is both :) ok so when you have an intersection where example 2 lanes turns left into a 3 lane road , there will always be lane markings ( broken/dotted lines on the ground that show drivers which the lane/s they must go into , there could also be arrows , signs or even unbroken lines to guide the drivers , typical the left lane will be directed to the far left lane and the right lane driver will have a choice of the middle or far right lane when turning . BUT there are many intersections that are the opposite so the left lane gets the left and middle choice . so each intersection can be different and you must follow the line markings/signage etc . and this is the same for turning right at an intersection as well does that explain it all for you ?
When turning right at a traffic light, you can move to the middle of the intersection waiting for a break in traffic when it's still green. Who would be at fault, if the lights changed to amber and red and as you turn a car going through the red or amber smash into you? Of course the car that went through, but can you be charged for turning onto coming traffic as well? Greg
Hi Greg i covered this in another video see link , so the answer is to quote/paraphrase the law , " you must wait until the intersection is clear and it is safe to turn " so if the light turn yellow you need to wait for all traffic clear then turn , if a car in the other direction runs a red and hits you they are at fault only not you , but while it still yellow you need to wait if traffic has not all stopped, make sense ? :) ruclips.net/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/видео.html
@@ScottsCarcameras thanks for that information. I came close to a nasty accident when a car run the red and missed me only by a few inches. I was told I was partly at fault also. I got dashcam and it showed that the car went through the red light. Havagooday Greg
Hi yes i can , however i thought your name seemed familiar , so i did a quick search on my channel and found the last conversation we had was on the same subject and was a case of you not wanting to accept the rules and laws i was explaining / referring and you insisting i had broken a law i hadnt , so with that in mind are you trolling me and looking for an argument , or do you seriously want to be helped with the road rules, i am happy to forget the last encounter and help people but not if im being trolled or time wasted , ?
Scotts Car Cameras Hi Scott, no, I don’t want to waste your time and please don’t think that I’m trolling you. This is purely a request on behalf of many people, who subscribed to your channel and enjoy watching your vids. If I could make another request, could you also do one on keeping left and U turns at traffic lights?
Ok i will take you a face value , re your question can you elaborate a little more , the rule when turning at an intersection is if your are turning right you must give way to traffic in the other direction that is going straight or turning left before you can turn right , but ig there are multiple lanes turning right they generally will not have other traffic going , ie there would traffic lights arrows , if you can be more specific i can help , please see this video on turning at traffic lights , and i have already done a video on keeping left see link as well, i will keep the uturn in mind for a future vid yes people are confused as that varies state to state , but in NSW you cant do a uturn at traffic lights unless there is a utrun permitted sign . ruclips.net/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/9HtF_uhbXxk/видео.html www7.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s40.html
I would have thought that driving through a petrol station without any intention of purchasing would have been trespass. It is private property for which there is a right of entry for specific purposes. A person driving through is not stopping and is thus faster than is expected for vehicles at that location. Potentially putting customers at risk or even denying customers the space they need for purchasing fuel.
interesting how i was never taught these.. and figured most of them out, except they've recently updated the rules Cutting through a service station driveway to bypass a red light: $349 and 3 demerit points (since 2021)
Hi Thanks for watching , re " the Cutting through a service station driveway to bypass a red light: $349 and 3 demerit points (since 2021" no thats not the case , you have been misinformed the or misunderstood , there is no rule you reference about this from 2021 or any of other time , what rule number are you referring to and what source ? :)
I learnt to drive in NSW and the rule for Number 3 was you can't change lanes within 30 metres of an intersection. Given you are providing a different answer, I assume that rule has changed since the early 90's?
Hi No law hasn't changed , ( at least since 1969 when i reached for these , that when the modern road rules act wa made) , heard that few times, best guess why is maybe confused when there are unbroken lines prior to the intersections and you can change lanes there , ( common in QLD may have spread from there ) or either just a myth that got around , or people were teaching driver to to do it as they thought it best practice but not illegal :)
In Victoria, we have signs saying MERGE RIGHT - LEFT LANE CEASES AHEAD. To me it gives an excuse to not keep left... And is a nonsensical statement. The right lane is the one that ceases.
Hi Robert FYI no trespass not applicable as it a public accessible area and public thoroughfare , same as shopping centre carpark , mcdonalds drive thru , trespass is only valid is a law is broken and still a civil matter so not illegal , plus the road rules do apply to any public access area is defined as a "road related Area" so speed limit , give ways signs , all apply that why they just had to change the law on using phones while driving to make it not illegal to tap for paym,net via a phone at drive through stores :)
Hi Actually it is Yellow , the first reference had amber in bracket as some think it is to not confuse but the legal required colour is Yellow see the next slide with the legislation shows yellow and the Australian standard DOC for roads that deinmiend all device ie sign size , lane wide , fonts etc states they must be Yellow :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In Queensland the term yellow for an Amber light is slowly being used for people who don't know their ABC of colours. The turn amber light or yellow light appear on one or other Government web page. Twenty years ago it was amber light Australia wide. If beer is any guide the turm amber ale is used, yellow beer is something else. Cheers
yes and no , so there isnt a road book with a diagram of a petrol station showing you how to drive through one :) but as you may be aware how the law works is that dont list what is legal , just what illegal and if its not in the offence list you can do , i can give you a link to the offence list if you want to it, the subject is covered under "road related areas and adjacent land" i will give you some links on that and if you have any other questions or things can help with on it let me know www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s74.html www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s11.html#road_related_areawww.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s26.html#adjacent_land
I think the petrol station issue will depend on the owners asserting (or not) their right that the forecourt is not a public right of way - probably not a statute law issue. I've seen signs at petrol stations telling people not to use the forecourt to avoid the traffic lights in Melbourne and Brisbane. Someone having an accident on a forecourt and not having purchased anything could easily have any insurance claim denied as they were not acting lawfully. The same issue applies to privately owned car parks, they usually have notices saying that entry is governed by their terms and conditions. Council owned car parks are usually considered to be part of the road network and all normal road rules apply.
Hi FYI , I that's how it's works , place may put signs to ask people not to drive through , but any place that allows public traffic is subject to the same rules as on the road , petrol station example l same as large shopping centre carpark , if a crash happens still ruled at fault via road llaws and re insurance no there is no "unlawful act " as drving through is not illegal , purchase irrelevant, same you pull into a McDonald's carpark to se the bath room and have a crash , you haven't purchased anything ! Yes private property different , but private property with public access falls under state road rules , hope that explains
A petrol station I know has bollards in it. It's not possible to use it to by-pass the lights. If you pull into it before the lights, the only exit is the way you came in. The other half of the station is after the lights, and can not be accessed from before the lights. Guess they got fed up being used as a drive-through.
Where I live, country, there is a roundsbout that has 2 lanes entering and leaving, North South. On the Eastern entry is a single lane right turning, one single lane left turning. No West exit/entry. Once in the roundabout you are immediately in single lane until the start of the first double entry lanes where it becomes 2 lanes. I stay in left lane. I have right blinker on and use left blinker when exiting roundabout. Almost every time someone entering fails to give way. My son says I should stick to inside lane then once out of roundabout quickly change to left lane for fast approaching left street turn. I've tried that, they still don't give way. Have also tried no indicator on entering in case they think I'm indicating lane change IN roundabout, no help. I'm tired of crawling through watching them like a haek, at the ready to brake. No other roundabouts do I have to be concerned about people not giving way to IN roundabout traffic. Opinions, helpful, not rude. Scottys advice would be appreciated.
@ScottsCarcameras Beach Rd, Batemans Bay, library, sport fields roundabout. Actully I watched another of your videos on roundabouts and found my answer there. I'm doing the legal thing, not much more I can do I guess.
Hi so yes and review of that you were just into the roundabout with your right indicator on once you go past the single lane section to where there are two lanes you’re allowed to go into either of those lanes you wish once you’ve selected your lane yes indicate left on exit or traffic coming from the other direction. Must wait for you to pass and give way to you if traffic’s failing to give way flashing the lights to the horn and get a dash camera recorded. Send it to me and then I’ll see themselves doing wrong and hopefully stop :)
Driving directly through a service station to achieve a short cut is an offence in NSW. It is termed "drive on or over footpath", by the police, and results in 3 demerit points and a fine of $349. You are allowed to drive over a footpath only to gain lawful access to a property or in response to an emergency. Gaining a shortcut does not count. The danger of this manoeuvre to pedestrians is pretty obvious. Do not take advice on road rules from lay u-tube videos.
Hello John FYI no it is not hence the video which not a Lay u , it's a properly researched and backed How to on the law . re the rule your semi quoted no that's not what that rule means for applies to , as there is a driveway to a publicly accessible area you can drive over the footpath via that driveway , the rule you refer to would be if you drove into there via a different route ie over a footpath through garden bed etc , this example is not just for service stations but any road related area , ie car park , shopping centre , food drive through etc this is why video sliek this a needed as people like you are confused on these rules but great now the correct information is being researched, if you have any other questions let me know :)
@@ScottsCarcameras I cannot see that a "reference" is needed. It is road rule 288, as I would expect you know, and searching on that number under demerit point offences on the R&M website shows the fine and demerits. No one appeals these, so you will not find District Court cases.
Yes link was in video description but here's short version and gov video :)roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/downloads/top-10-misunderstood-road-rules.pdf roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html#roundabouts
well its not about avoiding the intersection , the point was just to say its not illegal and it applies to all areas like car parks, fast food business, shops etc any where that is on a corner , but to answer your question , it could be different in other states but in NSW if there are speed signs that would be the linti , if not it would the shard zone limit is 10KMH :)
The speed limit in such areas is not dependant on what your intentions of being on the area are. Just drive there as you would at any other moment that you would be there; slow. Or where you really planning on driving 50kph through a fuel station?
The turning into any lane thing is only legal when there's only one turning lane in the road from which you turned. If there are multiple turning lanes, you MUST turn into the corresponding lane in the road you are entering. It would be nice if this was mentioned so people don't assume it is with all turning manouvres.
As in the video didn't cover the rules for turning when there are more than one turning lane ? yeh that's a whole different law and setup and would need a full section done on it and didnt want to mix /confuse that with this rule in the one video but if you interested this link will help :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
@@ScottsCarcameras yeah, that's what I asked about. I think it best to clarify this, even by just saying "this applies only with one turning lane, for multiple turning lanes see an upcoming video or consult the rms" or something to that effect. Otherwise people will assume (if they only watch the one video) that the rule you were talking about applies to all left turns into mulit-lane roads. I've had SO many near sideswipes etc from idiots not following the law when turning from a road with multiple turning lanes. You can clairify this without having to confuse and blur it, or talk of more than one rule at a time. Otherwise, your videos are pretty bloody good.
Hi , driving in a bus lane is illegal if not turning etc , but here there are different types of bus lanes , and in this case that is a timed bus lane , so it's a bus lane. From 3-7pm for buses to use in peak hour but the rest of the day it's a normal lane for all to use . :)
Gaming Ninja51 Bus lane or bike lane, you can drive in it for a short distance if you are turning. Allows you to get out of the stream traffic and slow down without holding up others. Similar in Victoria and South Australia.
I disagree with how you've presented point 5, You approached in the left lane, designated by road markings to proceed straight ahead in that lane, a lane separated by a solid white line from the right lane. Claiming you can then change lane in the intersection is 'almost' the same as being in a right turn only lane at traffic lights, then proceeding straight because 'I can change lane in the intersection' All comparisons break down at some point, what i'm saying is you're really pushing a grey area. Watching many youtube crash videos suggest a bulk of incidents involve cars changing lanes during intersections. Just because there is no law specifically against being stupid, doesn't mean you should internationally act that way.
Hello , a lot to explain and correct you on here so will go in point form 1- no sure what you disagree with how pretested, ? its correct so No 2- Not claiming you can change lanes YOU CAN change lanes that the law and the point of number 5 and the video 3-the roundabout in 5 as per all roundabouts have a solid /unbroken line on approach as you can change lanes at that point for safety , but inside the roundabout you can change lanes , the lines are not unbroken , they are longer then on a standard lane marking as they are there to show the lanes designation on the bends to help cars stay in the lanes when 2 are next to each other but are broken lines , in the event you were not allowed to change lanes the lines would unbroken all the way through the roundabout and/or would; be sign posted or have lane markings etc . see the link to the official gov rules on roundabouts watch video at 1:16 covers this :)roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html 4- Again no "claiming " you can change lanes in an intersection , re being in a right turn lane and going stight IS NOT almost the same , At all there is a specif rule/law for that stating you cant doing it ! see links . regulation 88 to 92 www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s92.html 5 _ No no break down ! 6 - NO , no grey area is all in black an whore the laws clearly say what you can and cant do , and all points show in the video are legal, correct and ok , 7 , last point wrong and mute , the law is there to say what you can do and how you should driver , just because you dont understand or like or were taught wrong etc doesn't others should driver correctly , if you still dont understand any law or want more information let me know Good day :)
Yes, if you haven't done it already in another video. Road rules for Australia regarding the proper use of roundabouts. It seems almost NO ONE gives way at roundabouts.
lol yes something went wrong , you remind me i had to fix something on that video and clicked on the wrong the wrong thing and cut the video down to 6 seconds :( its in the process of being fixed try back in an hour or so it should be fixed sorry :(
This was filmed in NSW. This not correct for drivers in NSW. You must turn from the left most lane into the left most lane 27 Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) (1) A driver turning left at an intersection from a road (except a multi-lane road) must approach and enter the intersection from as near as practicable to the far left side of the road. Maximum penalty-20 penalty units. (1A) Subrule (1) also applies to a rider of a bicycle who approaches and enters an intersection from a bicycle storage area. Note- Bicycle storage area is defined in the Dictionary. (1B) Despite subrule (1), if there is space in a bicycle storage area for 2 riders of bicycles to be next to each other, the rider on the right may approach and enter the intersection as near as practicable to the right side of the other rider, but only if that other rider approaches and enters the intersection in accordance with this rule. (2) In this rule- road does not include a road related area. Note 1- Intersection and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary. Note 2- Road related area includes any shoulder of a road-see rule 13. Example- Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) and the same for the right turn Got to NSW Legislation site and read it for yourself.
HI Green FYI no its all correct, you have confused it , so the quote you pasted has nothing to do with this its is only to do with where you can START a turn , its for when there is only 1 turing lane and 1 lane to turn into and its states if you read it you must stay the left SIDE of the road NOT anything to do with lanes or lane choice that's different rule , re read you quote the see link to reference page scroll down t "turning " section you will the rule s, details and images showing the rule and that as in the video when its a single turing lane you can turn into any lane left , middle , right etc and fyi these these rule are the same and correct for all of Australia , any questions let me know :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
I thought Australian road rules were; Biggest car has right of way on a roundabout. The thing that bugs me though is the people that are going straight through a roundabout but indicate left, right, left. And leave everyone else wondering where they are going.
My driving instructor said that you can’t change lanes in an intersection until you’ve hit the dotted line 🤔 when it comes to getting your P’s, you can lose points while testing for your license.
Hi , well your driving instructors doing a very bad job and you should fire them and get a new one :) yes you can change lanes no you can’t be penalised when you haven’t broken a rule ! What state are you from ?
Scotts Car Cameras it’s not just my instructor, have you seen “Driving Test” on the TV? When a person is going for their P’s, and they cross the intersection, they lose points and it can sometimes cost them!
Well In that case yes you can change lanes if you obey all other rules eg indicate, give way etc and there are no signs or lane markings saying you can’t , maybe your instructor means something different, are you still getting lessons from them ? If so ask them about it and if they still say you can at all , ask what rule number that is :) Let know how you go :)
Hi Thomas its a timed bus lane in this ones case case it s from 3-6pm week days as seen on the signs , so out side those times it a general use lane all traffic can use :)
It is a dangerous practice short cutting through service stations. It shows idisrespect to pedestrians and impatience. Nothing is so important that you need to save 2 seconds and risk a life.
@@ScottsCarcameras then the point is, if it's 'legal' then there will be plenty of self-centred arseholes that will do it .. just because they can .. and it's their 'right'!!😠
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I remember when I was learning to drive my instructor told me that while it's legal, it's best not to change lanes on a roundabout as it can be confusing for other drivers
sometimes I have to change lanes in a roundabout otherwise i cant get to maccas
true , it is uncommon and in alot of cases impractical to change lane sin a roundabout , but for this video its more address the issue of if its legal , not often you will need to do it (legally anyway )
Then GET in to the correct lane BEFORE entering!
that is true - but the traffic entering has to give way cause im in the roundabout anyway - from a 2 lane roundabout into a one lane exit that is like a dogs leg
the instance where you would have to indicate changing lanes is where two lanes enter into a round about from one direction but is single lane from the other. many driver believe they can enter from the inside lane to the outside without indicating.
@ 2:17, it's okay to turn left into either lane yes, but not okay to drive down the middle using both lanes for 100m till you decide which lane you want.
Yes that correct , it's comes under rule 146 www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s146.html
Hi Andrew re he rules , no , re the two system there would be no traffic coming from the right as they have to stop and give way to traffic turn left, and No the rule for turning into any lane is the same in all states sin Australia , a urban myth or Chinese wispier thing that some people thing you have to go the inner ?left lane :)
@@ScottsCarcameras there is a difference which may only apply in Victoria. If the road is marked with broken lines that specify the turn (hard to explain) then you must stay in that lane during the turn. (rules 29 and 33)
Not in Victoria thank goodness!
@@jliquorish unless ther are marked lanes then it does.
as a motorcycle instructor once told me: it doesn’t matter who’s in the right if you’re dead. If you survive long enough following the “road rules” to notice which ones most often cause near misses, just stop doing them (and start watching out for when other drivers do them and avoid them too)
Ýes no point having the high moral ground if you are 6 feet under it.
@@LandyVlad_Rides Well said 😀
@@germanshepherdlover2613 always been a favourite saying of mine. That and the secret to life is "Don't be a dick".
It's been in folklore for the better part of a century. The saying, passed down to me from my father, is:
"He was right, dead right, as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he were wrong."
As a Brit watching this I always assumed you were given a Mad Max DVD and say "Go for it mate" for your driving test.
not far off :)
Pretty much how it works here. Australia has a Formula 1 driver who just visited Australia and bagged us as drivers. What would he know? ;-)
was it the stig?
Peter Brock, the famous Australian racing driver once said, people aren't taught to drive, they are taught to pass their test.
I'm not a racing driver, but I fully agree.
We actually hop around on Kangaroos drinking cans of VB
I was always taught to avoid changing lanes within an intersection where possible though as it’s the safest option
Many of the rules have been forgotten on Bribie Island.
Using roundabouts in a clockwise direction is optional..
Ha ha, good joke.
The changing lanes while turning scenario is one manoeuvre that we were told not to do by driving instructors on an advanced driving course. I guess what's legal, and what's best practice are sometimes two different things.
Like cutting an intersection by driving thru a servo. It may not be illegal, but it's a dick move.
@@bencodykirk I've done it but only because the lights only allwoed three cars through at a time and I'd been in the line for four changes of lights. While I would have got through on the fifth i wanted the person behind me turning right to be able to make it. They have thankfully adjusted the light sequence now.
Watching that last clip @@bencodykirk, I was pretty sure Scott here wasn't driving with any sort of due care or attention other than to the fact that he was ensuring he wasn't going to let the traffic light beat him.
Common road habits in Australia:
1: Sitting in the right hand lane on a freeway at 110 kph despite there being no traffic in the left lane.
2: Merging immediately from a side road into the right hand lane on a freeway and only doing 100kph for the next 4 KM before looking in mirror at queue behind you.
3: Pulling your truck into the right hand lane and doing 80KPH uphill overtaking another truck doing 79.8KPH and gradually slowing to 60kph near the crest of the hill, when you pull in behind the truck you failed to overtake.
4: Mirrors what are they for? Identifying the driver you slowly pulled out in front of and giving him the finger.
5: Sitting in the right hand lane at Canberra because you need to turn right somewhere in Sydney and you want to be ready for it.
Going through a service station to bypass traffic lights might be legal, but it’s a bit of a dick move. Usually because the people who do it drive flat out through the service station forecourt so they can beat everyone else.
I’d rather we had more intersections in this country where you can turn left in red. They’re becoming more rare every year
Known as doing a 'rat run' for a reason.
Left turn on red after stopping and yielding is a great thing !
Agree there should be more of this, if done right it saves a lot of hold ups, improves traffic flow, but if done like the yanks often do it, well . . . it's then a sh!tfest of accidents.
Only arseholes use fuel stations as an alternate route unless they actually buy something.
So instead of sitting at a red light , everyone can just drive through a servo 🤦
Another one not legal in Victoria!
No same law in all of Aus
2:01 imagine how much better traffic would flow if the blue vehicle (which is in the left hand lane) had to enter the new road in its left hand lane? The car offscreen to the top (indicated by the black arrow) could turn at the same time as the blue vehicle - each vehicle having its own lane to enter in to.
Hi well actually they’ve already done studies trials and research into this over a long time and have found that that actually doesn’t let the traffic flow better. It has the opposite affect by making the turning traffic turning left go into the left lane then have to try and change lanes afterwards reduces traffic flow as well. Traffic turning right going into the right lane then wanting to change to the left lane causes traffic jams , having 2 sets of traffic then trying to change lanes against each other after a turn dramatically slows traffic Furthermore one of the main reasons they don’t do this is because when they do have systems you do have two traffic turning right and left into the same road at dramatically increases the amount of accidents Drivers when turning don’t maintain their line correctly parts of the vehicles go into the other lanes and either cause crashes or cause cars to have to hit the brakes in the other lanes which causes cars behind them to run into them what all sounds good on Paper but doesn’t work when you put it in the real world with humans and vehicles that don’t fit nicely into lanes that is why they have this system. It reduces the amount of accidents dramatically and increases traffic flow by allowing all the traffic from one Direction to go at a time smoothly and unhindered.
When I learned to drive 50 odd years ago, I was told to turn right or left into the lane that is the closest to you.
Well this is the issue they were wrong and many others have passed this myth on , who told you this ?
first, thank you for #4. I always turned into the lane I needed to be in when I need to turn next but my Australian wife told me I need to turn into the inner lane. I'm not from Australia so I did it like I learned it where I am from.
second, even if it might not be a traffic violation to go across a petrol station I would consider it bad manners. A petrol station is private property after all and the owner or proprietor might not be too happy with drivers using the petrol station as a short cut.
Yes, I agree. There's legality and there's manners / not being a douche. There are a lot of things that are legal that really shouldn't be done in a civilised society. Sure, you can't get arrested or fined for them but it doesn't mean it's good practice.
And treating a petrol station as though it is a road is about the most dangerous thing you could possibly do.
@@stephenwalczak3166 that’s what I thought.
Bypassing a traffic intersection by driving through a servo is indeed illegal, every state i believe.
When turning left at Green Light, choosing which lane you enter is practical and in no way impedes any other driver as the only person following on from you, are the cars directly behind you. Cars turning right into the 2 lane road have to give way. The crunch comes when the opposite right turning car fails to give way to oncoming (even if turning left) traffic, you.
Round about rule is stupid. If youre indicating in a round about, other drivers will think youre turning.
That is why the law is to give way to all traffic on roundabout
If you are changing lanes, the indicate and check that the lane is clear. No difference for a roundabout or a regular stretch of road.
gorillaau Agreed though I can just imagine people stopping on the roundabout to wait for the lane to clear lol
@@StraightNoChaser86 Unfortunately in Poland it tents to be normal... A lot of people find themselves in the wrong lane on the roundabouts and the create traffic jams because they wait for people from other lane to let him through
if you're going straight ahead anyway, might as well just change lanes when you have exited the roundabout. Same with traffic light intersections. Rules are one thing, common sense another.
They are legal, but better to avoid some of them like driving through the petrol station or changing lines in an intersection! :)
Police are not reliable to ask , they dont make law and are not lawyers most are not very smart :(
@@ScottsCarcameras I am a little worried about going through a petrol station to cut traffic because this video was about like 3 years old. Is it still legal to drive through a petrol station without stopping for anything?
Scotts Car Cameras - if you had to successfully complete the entrance exam in the last two decades, you’d agree an above average degree of intelligence is required for the job.
TheCaryly - yeah don’t do that.
@@chrisfi3d Not since they lowered the standards , they are basically daycare workers now
In small outback towns, it's mandatory for cars with brakes to giveway.
Drive through a privately owned servo here in Adelaide to avoid traffic lights and you will get your teeth kicked in by the owners of the servo.
well doesn't sound very pleasant , the owner must be fast to catch you in moving vehicle ?
A servo owner here in QLD put a stop to it.
It was right near a primary school, and the kids often stopped there for drinks/snacks.
New chain across the "exit" people used to use.
It had a couple nice big "no exit" signs attached.
The first time a local ran into it, he had them charged with damaging his property and trespass, since they had no reason to be on his premises.
The kids felt a bit safer as well.
Brenda Fuller Good move by the servo owner. Made me smile, thanks.
Theory test's should be retaken every few years as mandatory.
I'd support practical as well...
At approx 2mins 19seconds into this when the two cars turned left into the Airport/ Eastern suburbs road and could go into either lane, the black SUV in front straddled both lanes after turning for a distance which is actually a fine and loss of points, so hardly "right" oh his part.
I maintain double lane roundabouts are dangerous. Because if turning right you must cross the outside ring to exit. I still despise them. Plus most are too small to change lanes on.
Why do so many drivers fail to change the blinker from right to left when leaving the roundabout. Pedestrians hate trying to cross at roundabouts because they can’t tell what the traffic is doing
Wenlocktvdx the term lazy springs to mind
I dont know either really annoying.
its hard to do with certain cars i.e. 2005 - 2015 BMWs or Teslas because they have a stupid stalk behaviour which makes it hard to engage th blinker of the opposide side.
oh no i'll get the pedestrians a fucking waaahhmbulance....
@@kingprone7846 both of which are likely automatics? Somehow I manage just fine changing gear with left hand, clutch with left foot, alternate brake and throttle with right foot, steer and indicate out of roundabout with right hand...
Might be legal to go through a petrol station in some states, but it's really not a good idea to encourage it.
0:35 I use this as an example when people say you can’t change lanes in an intersection. A roundabout “IS” an intersection. It is where “roads intersect”, so ‘yes’, you can change lanes in an intersection. If you couldn’t, you would be stuck on the inside lane if every roundabout, going round, and round, and round for the rest of your life.
on number two, the important bit is if "the driver can stop safely" ... had an L plater lock up in front of me on a yellow...
yes , the point in the video is to explain to those who dont know that you are legally required to stop for a yellow , BUT avoiding a crash is always an exception to rules , its never a good idea to slam your brakes on to stop for a yellow , its always only if you can stop safely , but to those who see the yellow and hit the accelerator to get through before the light goes red , thats a no and the same fine a running the red
But was this ~still safe~ when the timing of the lights being changed in each direction is still VERY HIGH safety margin? Sometimes 3 seconds~
dmyl004 no, 70k zone, about 75m out from lights, L plater over compensated..
EDIT: to be clear, there was ample time to stop normally, it wasn't like there was 20m between the lights and him/her, but still scared the shit out of me ... 3 second rule saved by car
@@-Yogo depends on what the speed you are at. Fines are not only if you don't stop on a hard stop but the yellow light fines are if you had plenty of time to stop but chose to hit the accelerator instead
If you had run into them, you would be at fault. The safe to do so applies to the driver, not anyone behind.
I am a driving instructor. Thanks for the video. But it is illegal to pass the petrol station to avoid the red light or avoid traffic because you are illegally to use the foot path. You'll be fined and loss points in NSW, Victoria and west Australia., so Don't do that.
Hi well I hope your nit charging people money :( lol No that’s incorrect , hard to understand your broken English not there is no such as “ you are illegally to use foot path “ not sure what you meant to say , but you obviously drive over the footpath to enter and exit a petrol station to stop and get fuel , so not different here and this is no fine or points for it ! please re read the rules you instruct any one else :)
Thanks for your quick response. According to Australia Road Rule 288 Driving on a path. A driver must not drive on a path unless certain conditions. I don’t think passing the petrol statioin ( in NSW) to avoid traffic light or traffic jam is legal. Also, when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal and will be fined. I am not going to challenge you, but just try to find out the fact.
Hi No i have covered this already in other comments an video's rule 228 means you cant use a footpath as lane tor drive down the road , you can obviously drive over a path to enter a driveway to your home or car park or business . this is obviously done a million time a day by drivers as that how it is meant to be done ! that's why if you actually read and under the rule is states you can driver over a path " b) driving on the path to enter or leave, by the shortest practicable route, a road-related area or adjacent land" which is what the law defines a petrol station , read related area , you this no law against driving into a petrol stain for obviously reasons , so the law doesn't care why you went in there if you stop for petrol or not , if you drove in there can found its closed and keep driving you not breaking the law , so No its not illegal's to drive through any road related area , if there a a MacDonald's or shopping center park and drive through it exit same thing no law broken and no fine , there is no such thing as :when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal " if you know rule 228 you know the legislation that the law and its shows no it legal and no fine ! there is no challenge as im not making option i just showing the correct facts . :)
I’m very concerned that someone who says their a driving instructor doesn’t know this rule. Correctly , if you don’t know the rules and your teaching others then this is the problem a why bad drivers exist
I AM SHOCKED at NUMBER 4. At 1:35 the first blue car should go into the closest lane then indicate if entering the right lane. The second blue car should go into the closest (R) lane. Because otherwise a car turning into there from top of picture can collide ! This seems crazy to me. Has the road rule changed? I bang on about people crossing lanes like this. And I've been in near misses recently because of this. How can you have people just picking any lane they feel like without indicating while others are entering those same lanes from elsewhere? If I'm wrong about this rule I have to find out more.
No the rule has never changed it always been
like but the reason videos like this exist is because many people like yourself either were taught incorrectly or just got confused, and No it’s not crazy they can not collide as the car Turing right can not turn at the same time they must wait and give way and turn only when clear , covered this in another video :) ruclips.net/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/видео.html
@@ScottsCarcameras ruclips.net/video/0iwk9LYdS_w/видео.html This video, although from NZ, shows what I mean. Now I need to know if it differs between states. My friend was pulled over in Canberra by an off duty policeman for crossing lanes while turning. I was in the car and I "knew" or thought my friend was wrong to do so. So there's a policeman agreeing with me.
So far this is what I find. Official road rules are showing that you can pick which lane to turn into from a single lane. Incredible! This is important stuff here. I was taught the nearest lane rule, other videos show it, and I met one police officer who thought so too. And yet apparently it is wrong. This means I must give way when turning right into the multi-lane. (Which I have only done by being cautious of people I thought were breaking the rule.) And that is the big takeaway. MIND BLOWN
Hi so yes a video from New Zealand is not relevant as different countries have different rules they do it differently in America like they have different rules in the UK or USA has no bearing on Australia so they just remove that from the equation no this does not differ from any states this is an Australia wide rule it is the way it works in every state and always has your friend in Canberra was not pulled over for doing the example in the video if they were pulled over for something it would have been for a different offense possibly disobeying a sign saying you must stay in a certain lane crossing an unbroken line or perhaps it was a multi lane turning lanes and he changed lanes without indicating in the example in the videos there is no rule so the policeman did not pull them over for that
Hi well you where you say so far you can stop now because you don't need to go any further I've already done the research when I've made these videos that's and this has already stuff that was taught when you get your drivers license if you were taught then nearest lane then whoever taught you was a bad teacher there is no videos in Australia that show this because that's not how it works in this country and the police offer you you met was either a moron which most are or he didn't understand the question you're asking yes you must give way when turning right at all times you cannot turn at the same time as other traffic so yes you've been doing it wrong the entire time as I've as do many people hence why I've made videos like this to try and help people get it right and reduce accidents and road rage :)
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5, 3, and 1 I had no clue were legal.
Although, changing lanes on a roundabout should be illegal because indicating can confuse other drivers as there are two options for intentions, as well as spacial awareness being compomised due to different rear mirror viewing angles and cars frequently entering and exiting.
Changing lanes in an intersection should mostly be fine, although they are more dangerous areas where the driver should be paying full attention to cars that might enter unexpectedly.
And increased traffic through a service station that isn't intended to be used as a thoroughfare would heighten the risk of accidents.
I disagree with driving through a petrol station, where there are patrons walking to and from the pumps.
You can’t disagree with a fact
Turning to take either lane... At 1:32 the diagram shows a green and a blue car both turning right into 3 lanes. Why does the blue car get to choose which lane it wants while the green car is shown with only the closest lane as the turn option?
Hi , in that example they show that setup , in the real road there will be dash lines on the road showing what lane or lane you can turn into , in these setups they typically do it this way to allow large vehicles ie trucks , buses to use two lanes for easier turning and but there are setups where green car would have tow lanes to turn into and it would be shows on the road with lines and/or with signs :)
4:47 - who said you could drive in the bus lane?
with #4 i was taught that you turn right into right hand lane, turn left into left hand lane THEN indicate to change lanes
Yes and thats the problem , so many people think thats how its works and create accident and road rage , example you turn right into a 3 lane road and want to then turn left , so you go into the far right lane and the then indicate to go to change lanes twice , meanwhile the car behind goes straight into the far left lane and now your about to crash into them as there besides you , another issue is when driver think traffic in both directions you can turn left and and right at the same time ( as they think everyone must same in the elf tor right lane) and those turning right dont give way and a crash or near miss causes aggression happens , thats why all drivers need to know the correct road rules , take care :)
Yep, that's how it is here in Canada, too. Whether you are turning right or left you turn into the nearest lane and then merge over. That way two cars can turn onto the same street at the same time. You can also get a ticket for an improper turn if you turn into the far lane.
If you are right and this is allowed then it shouldn't be! This is a really stupid rule and is as illogical as it is dangerous. Turning left you should turn into the left most lane and if turning right, into the right most lane. It's the drivers that cross lanes often indicating one direction while changing lanes in the other direction that make it dangerous! It hinders traffic flow by preventing two drivers turning left and right at the same time. It's dangerous because you can have the driver behind you change lanes to the left while turning right and passing you on the left!
If you look at the road from above you will see that turning left does feed into the left-hand lane and the same for turning right. You need to change your line mid corner to go into the outer lane.
As for changing lanes in a roundabout... Geez, a good percentage of drivers don't know how to indicate correctly let alone change lanes safely as well. Shouldn't be allowed and the roads should be designed to not allow it.
I'll repeat what a few other people have commented. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you should ever do it!
You guys miss the point. If it's one lane turning into multiple lanes then they can pick any lane. If it's two or more lanes turning into multiple lanes then there are almost always dotted lines marking the lanes you can turn into. It's so simple if people actually pay attention to the markings and use common sense.
Andrew Holmes It's actually quite straightforward in Australia but some people just don't seem to graspnthe concept. Just follow the lane markings and there should be no problems. Also it's so hard to describe all this without showing it, which causes more confusion.
In North America, cars turn left and right simultaneously so you have to go 'centre to centre' (left into left lane and right into right lane) if you want to avoid an accident. The example at 1:10-1:20 is a bit of a grey area in my opinion. Where the car entered, only one car can turn right. You must give way to any car that enters the roundabout before you. If the car behind tries to overtake it and hits it, has it failed to give way to a car already in the roundabout? What is the difference between a car turning right at an intersection and choosing any of 2 or 3 lanes to turn into and a roundabout? You're being inconsistent if you allow one but not the other. In fact at 1:47, it could be argued that to turn left into the right lane, you have to do it at the point of the intersection rather than 10-50 metres down the road. You can't really overtake someone in a roundabout if you enter the roundabout at a different entry point to them because you don't know what the roadmarkings are at their entry point. You may be able to turn right from the left lane at your entry point but they can exit where you would go straight ahead, hence the rule that you have to give way to those already in the roundabout! Allowing to overtake another vehicle in a roundabout only makes sense if you entered at the same entry point and know what they can and can't do because you've also seen the road markings.
Hi could not understand you comment at all , no one is overtaking any one in a roundabout and cant understand where you have referend to "What is the difference between a car turning right at an intersection and choosing any of 2 or 3 lanes to turn into and a roundabout? " not use what you are asking and saying " You're being inconsistent" this is no an opinion or feeling video its cut an paste of the facts / law with examples , best if you just re think what you want to ask and start completely over :)
@@ScottsCarcameras "at all"? Really? You got absolutely nothing from that comment? Anyway, happy to elaborate. I said 'if' the car tried to overtake . That was to help explain the rationale for not overtaking in a roundabout. In the diagram/illustration of how to turn into another street, the arrows indicate that the vehicle enters and chooses the lane to turn into, before leaving the intersection. Your example has multiple cars including yours entering the street on the left then changing lanes without indicating. Where in the road rules does it say you can choose your lane up to (insert x number of metres down the road here)? I do get it that practically, as a driver, you would do that and expect others to do it, but you like to be pedantic so I'm just pointing things out here. A roundabout is also an intersection. My comment about inconsistency was directed at the fact that the car that changed into the left lane without indicating when exiting the roundabout, was choosing a lane to exit the intersection in, which according to the previous example he/she was allowed to do. But on second thoughts, I grant to you that this is not technically relevant as the intersections are different types of intersections. Nevertheless, it is practically relevant because the cars on the left of the roundabout (if you had not been following) should not overtake that car. They have to give way to cars already in the roundabout. The car already in the roundabout does not cease being in the roundabout if the cars on the left had entered. So they still have to give way to that car and they don't know where it will exit. Those two cars on the left may have both been able to turn right from both lanes. We don't know what the road markings allow them to do. If the car on the left and in the left lane had entered (assuming you weren't following and assuming that car had stayed in the right lane but still exited at the same point) and tried turning right and also tried to overtake that car, there would have been a collision. Therefore you can only safely overtake someone in the roundabout if you entered at the same point because you know what the road markings allow vehicles to do at your entry point. You have to indicate left when exiting a roundabout 'if practicable to do so', thus you should not assume that someone not indicating left will continue in their lane in a roundabout, as it may not be practicable to indicate - they may be exiting.
Hello again we are unable to make heads or tails of your comment or what you’re asking or what you’re referring to. Perhaps it’s making sense in your own head but to someone else reading your comment you’re just jumping all over the place between multiple different points when you’re not actually referencing anything for us to check its justa bunch of random thoughts , if you have something you would like us to explain to you could you put it in a more step-by-step Logical question , example at 1:39 in the video driver a turns left into lane two etc etc This is what my question is about that and stay on that topic , then if you have another question reference the clip in the video by the time at and then put a comment a question specific question about what you want to know then we may be able can help you , for now we can’t understand what you are syaing or asking , There was no overtaking roundaabotu in the video or people changing lanes down the road etc. hope 3rd time lucky
At 1:34, is that the only legal combination possible (in NSW)? Can the green car turn right into any of the 3 lanes (if the traffic allows)? Similarly, can the middle blue car turn right into any of the 3 lanes?
Hey re-134 guess there are many possible combinations that can be done in use in all states this rule this the same Australia wide know the green car cannot turn into any of the three lanes in this example and neither can the blue as there are multiple turning lanes so it they will designate what Lane you can turn into in this example the green car must go to the right our lane only the blue car has the option of the middle lane all the far left lane for the blue arrows that could be reversed in a setup allowing the green car to go to the middle and right lanes it depends on how many turning lanes you have and how many lanes you can turn into but whenever there are multiple Turning lanes and you cannot turn into any Lane you wish in that only applies when there is a single turning lane when there are multiple there will always be - markings on the road and or signs telling you what lane to turn into that makes sense cheers
Road rules are great for everyone to have a common understanding - like the speed limits on the open road, but the *real* requirement is for drivers to be well trained & tested, cars to be well maintained - and to *drive for the circumstances/situation*. - a problem for a significant percentage of *licenced* drivers!
Can you please make a video about the approaching technique to a red/ speed camera without the guessing methods usually drivers fall into it?
I think some of these rules only apply in NSW.
Amber light means STOP if you can SAFELY.
Lane change when turning at intersection. Not sure but in VIC you must follow the lane your in, as in, turning from outside lane into outside lane not changing to inside lane.
You should turn into the lane THEN change lanes.
Changing lanes in a roundabout, NO, complete your roundabout trip then change lanes. Doing a lane change in the roundabout is dangerous and could confuse other drivers.
But as I said these rules you have highlighted may not apply in other states.
Hi Fred acutally NO all those rules you mentioned are the same in VIC and all states , unfortunately it’s a misconception many have I’m trying to help educate on , with that in mind how did you come to think all these things ?
HI Fred now i have more time i can reply in more detail , so as i said No there rules are the same in Vic
1. its a yellow light :) and yes same law in Nsw and vic (all states ) as said in video you MUST stop if you can stop safely before reaching the stop line law 57
2.NO in Vic same when turning at an intersection with only one turning lane you can turn into any lane ,
3.YES you can change lanes in a roundabout as long as you obey all other rules ,
see links :)
www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts
classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html
classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s57.html
would love for you to reply so i can discuss with you where you got the incorrect information from helps me with promoting the rules and educating Thanks
Fred Nutz you know if I had dollar for every time I had someone say , oh no it’s different in Victoria I would retired , I don’t why it is that think the rules are different in VIC when they clearly aren’t , very poor driver education and training in there , must poor drive schools , government body not teaching , maybe it’s the idiotically thinking of many of the population in that state , :(. Glad I don’t live there the new Mexico
2:58 so if I'm a turning lane at an intersection I can change lanes and go straight instead?
HI , No re 3:16 you have obey all other road rules so if there are unbroken lines you can’t change lane or if in a lane with direction arrows or signs saying you must only left or right you can nit change lanes to go in another direction ie straight , same applies to roundabouts, :)
@@ScottsCarcameras wow didn't expect a reply from an old video especially within minutes to XD, I didn't know you could change lanes in a roundabout I thought you couldn't cause on the learner's test it said you can't until I saw this video and I googled it. apparently google knows the road rules better than the government
I'm shortly emigrating to QLD from the UK. I find it astonishing that you can turn onto a three lane carriageway into any lane you feel like. If you were seen by the police doing that in the UK you'd get pulled over and ticketed without doubt. It's always, always been you occupy the leftmost lane available at ALL times, I'm amazed that there aren't constant collisions, especially on roundabouts, with the seeming lack of lane discipline.
Michael well welcome to Australia unfortunately to help for when you get here we don’t have to caraways we call them roads :-) yes some people seem shocked at turning into lanes other than the nearest but that's actually a waste of time and it actually safer to turn into the lane you want then to turn into the nearest lane and then you have to change lanes later your double handling , so if you want to go to the third lane because you want to turn right go hundred metres why I get to the left lane and have to then make two lane changes while vehicle behind the same thing at different speed and increase teh chance of a crash , you turn directly to the way you want so I always find it strange what other people do seem to think it’s a bad idea I think it’s more the fact that they were taught to do it rather than what you don’t actually agree with it you juts find it for going , example people who use 4 way stop sign systems going to roundabouts , re constant collisions there can’t be a collision in this example because there are no cars to crash into as it’s a single turning lane there’s no one else around you therefore there’s no one else for you to collide with .
I’m not sure what you mean about in reference to roundabouts having to do with this initial question ? :)
Here's a suggestion for another video. Normal residential single-lane streets that intersect with a main road. When exiting the residential street you could go left or right. Turning left means waiting for traffic from a single direction, while turning right means having to wait for both lanes. Thus turning right normally takes longer. Although there are no lines painted on the road, often roads have enough space for other cars to turn left, instead of waiting for the car in front to eventually turn right. My ex was in this common situation. A large truck was waiting to turn right into the main road. She carefully pulled up on the left and was waiting to go, when suddenly the truck driver decided he'd had enough of waiting, and decided to turn left, crunching her car in the process, since he didn't see it down there. The insurance company found her at fault because she should have waited for the truck to turn, and there were no lines on the road to legally create the space for her to turn from. I don't think anyone would wait for right-turning cars, and if there were space they'd just go for it and turn left.
hi I have done a video on a similar set up but it’s when there are two lanes on the road with no arrows not when it’s a single lane obviously when it is a single lane as you stated if there’s enough room you need to if you’re turning left or right you need to go as far to the left or right of robe as possible to allow others to turn at the same time without getting more details of your exes accident I can only assume that the truck driver probably said that he was indicating left the whole time and taking up it was on the right side of the road because he needed the space and given the large trucks have the do not overtake turning vehicle sign they would’ve found her at fault that if she had a dash camera to show he was Indicating right to start with the change he would’ve been found a fault as no camera it’s her word against his
Whoa thanks for the heads up!
@5:10, the car through the station did not stop before re-entering the roadway. Is that legal in NSW? It is not in the countries I have driven in (Europe, Asia, USA, Canada)
Thank you for your reply. We call it "Yield" and you call it "Give way". OK, so now bring us a vid of idiots who do not know what "Give way" means when re-entering the road way.... Of course, that is why you are required to stop in MOST countries... because people are idiots.... I admit to moments when i join that group of people . Cheers.....
Welcome , take care
By the way, all of this is the big reason I did not drive while visiting for six months a few years back. Mostly I was afraid of forgetting which side of the road I was supposed to be driving on. But the rules are (often, not usually) different from the USA. I was thinking that, if I was going to drive, then I should spend a day with a driving instructor instead of just using the international DL and forging ahead. Never did drive there and was fortunate to have a lot of friends while there...
Cheers.
david beckenbaugh well that's no fun , I remember the first time I drove in the USA , turning left the first time going into the other side of the road felt so wrong , and I was wondering why I kept getting horns at me every right turn until I guessed it's right turn any time , managed to only turn the wrong way once so was proud lol
Ha! Lots of fun having beautiful blonde Australian women driving me around. You should try it sometime....
In the meantime, maybe you can hep me with a misunderstanding on my part. I watch the British road cop shows on youtube and, often at the end when they review the cases/people they run into, they say the person received a "Police caution". OK, so what does that do for the person that received it? Is it just a record where if they do something minor that they would get a "Don't do that again but I am letting you go", they now have this record and they get a citation for the minor occurrence? I know Australia is NOT Britain, but I am thinking much of the terminology is the same. Maybe a viewer can reply, also. We sometimes get excellent replies, though you have to weed through a lot from people who have no idea.
Anyway.... Your thoughts?
1:22 I disagree with this one. There used to be a rule saying to turn from the nearest lane into the nearest lane (2nd lane into the 2nd lane etc). How many people have turned at a multi-lane intersection beside another car and they just guessed which lane to turn into, narrowly avoiding an accident. Good luck proving who was in the wrong.
Hi no i think you have misundersttod and and not watched that one corretcly , this rule is not for when there are muitple turning lanes , this is for when there is is only one lane that can turn on to a new road with more than one lane on that road , as in the exmaples in teh video , , so there are not two cars/ drviers turning at once , so no accidnet can happen , make sense now ? :)
@@ScottsCarcameras The story goes on to say the same for multi-lanes.
What story ?
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As I can it now, someone is turning right at a roundabout and you are in the left lane (Straight through and right arrow) and you in the roundabout decided to change lanes, because you needed to go back to where you came from.
Not sure what your asking ?
in melbourne and that usually you cant change lanes at the lights only mid intersection onwards
the left lane is for when u want to turn left or go straight in a roundabout thnx
No always depends on what the setup of the roundabout is . How many lanes , exits etc
We hve a two lane street terminating at a traffic light to a twolane either way divided road. No markings so I usually stop in left lane to turn right into inside lane but most stopin right lane, turn right and often cross into the inside lane cutting across my bows. Can I turn right from left lane?
Hi , i could not quit undertand the question , do you have the location of the intersection ie street and cross street so i can look at it ?
@@ScottsCarcameras Golding Dve and Richmond Road, Glendenning. Some traffic turns left, most turns right. My view is we can turn right from both lanes, not just the right lane.
HI so at that spot no you can only turn left from the left lane and right form the right , thats the standard rule when there are no arrows or signs , so if you turn right from the left lane and hit a car you are at fault / is cop see you , you will get a fine , i covered this in another video see here :) ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.htmlsi=Kd9KpB_PssoSKKas&t=434
@@ScottsCarcameras All of those examples seem to be 4 way intersections; although there is one where it could be a T opposite a driveway (to a fire station?). I think if it were the other way; turning left from both lanes and someone in the left lane wanted to turn right there could be a collision so as a blanket rule you can only turn one way from each of the lanes. Appreciate your feedback. I've been driving since 1979 and am a former Military Policeman, drive 40K a year and so on and I still think it is vital to keep up and refresh, re-educate. Thanks for your videos. BTW, I just returned from two weeks driving in the Philippines where it is anything goes!
Hi the example with the fire station is a three-way intersection. That’s a driveway not an intersection Road but serve no relevant. You could have a 4 5 or 6 way intersection its irrelevant of how many roads there are it purely as a dictation of the arrow markings on the road. If there are no arrow markings it’s left turn left lane only right turn right lane only as would say if you could turn in other directions then drivers at all. These examples could turn right from the left lane left from the right lane which just crashed into each other hence they would then sue everyone for having an incorrect route Setup.
You can't indicate for a turn and a lane change at the same time. That said, my driving instructor (Victoria, 38 years ago) was quite voiciferous about it being illegal to change lanes through a turn at an intersection. It's interesting to see the opinion that it's not illegal in NSW provided you're entering via single lane access. I'll have to double check here in Victoria. It's one of those unspoken things like cutting through a servo to evade traffic lights which I used to do a lot when driving small, manoeuvrable vehicles.
Hi Mark a few things to unpack here you can indicate to change lanes while making a turn.Yeah you’re driving instructor was probably not up-to-date back then it’s been legal to change lanes in an intersection in Victoria and all states in Australia except W.A. for over 60 years
But this is changing lanes while going through intersection is not to be confused with turning at intersection
So were you reference single lane Access to clarified this if you’re turning right or left from a single turning lane into a multiple lane road you can go into any lane you wish you’re not making a lane change you’re simply turning into a chosen lane
If there are example 2 lanes turning right into a two lane road then it will designate which lane you have to turn into. Your new must follow that however unless there are unbroken lines or signs or something telling you you cannot you would be legally allowed to change lanes while making that turn for example you could be in the far right lane and while making the change the outer lane this would require bay all of the road rules i.e. if there are cars next to you you would have to give Wayne wouldn’t be able to make the lane
@@ScottsCarcameras Thanks for confirming that the extra caution I've taken with this over the years hasn't been in vain.
Wouldn’t the requirement to drive to the left mean that you would be making these manouvers in the left lane as much as is practicable?
In Victoria there is a requirement to “drive in a manner to avoid a collision” which is as clear as mud that would mean changing lanes in a roundabout would land you in hot water. Also, both of my instructors and the Victorian L plate book stated that you must complete the manouver in the same lane as you started. I don’t have a licence and declined to renew my learners in 94 as driving was just not my thing. Not easy living without a car but can be done
Hi , you comment is a little unclear and incorrect in parts i will do my best to guess what you mean and explain , the first part re drive in left lane not sure if you are referring to using roundabout or intersection , but "drive to the left " doesn't mean anything with lanes or turning if you could elaborate i can explain more . re lane change in roundabout NO you can change lanes in a roundabout " drive in a manner to avoid collision" is a given but as long as you obey all other rules you can change lanes no issue. and re the driving instructors or book you may have misunderstood or the may have given incorrect info , drivers handbook for VIC s doesn't say that , but if you did your tests before 94 they may have amended it in VIC to be inline with national rules . if you need any more info let me know :)
I know that when I'm going ahead I should have right of way instead of cars indicate right in the opposite lane. When it comes to a busy intersection, several cars on the opposite lane are turning right(which is to my left), what should I do to show that I'm intent to going straight, also which position to wait for the oncoming traffic when there's no clear markings on the road?
I'm from the States and I'm scare to death to drive in Sydney, the roads are narrower, filled with potholes, missing signs and crooked asphalts. And drivers are very aggresive, specially the cab drivers.
Note rule 57(1)(c) which says if you can't stop before the line but cna stop before entering the intersectiomn then you need to stop before the intersection. People often think the first solid line is the only point to stop.
In VIC, it's the law to indicate right when entering a roundabout, and indicate left when leaving, but no one does it like that. They simply indicate left or right if that's where they're going, or they don't indicate if they're going straight. It's not legal to do it that way, but it's what everyone's used to, and it would be unsafe to do it differently. Driving instructors and Vicroads license testers even expect you to do it the "wrong" way.
Hi Thanks for your comment , to correct ti No that's not how the laws work in VIC , the rules for roundabouts are the same in all of Australia and teh same as in this video , you do not indicate right if going straight , if going straight you don't indicate ( left on exit is practical ) and ONLY indicate right if turning right , the idea to indicate if going straight is a myth and teh reason i made videos like this , i always ask people who comment here , where did you get this misinformation from ? :)
@@ScottsCarcameras It was from Stay Upright motorcycle training in Braeside.
That's terrible that an instructor is giving out this misinformation , ive done the same training course and if they telling riders that is should be reported, always do your own research :) take care
When turning left at the lights and there is another car on the opposite side of you turning right (the same you are going) do you give way or does the car that's turning right give way?
Turning right gives way
Hi , short answer car turning right gives way , this is another one many are confused one , so it has its own video , please watch and if you still have any questions let me know :)ruclips.net/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/видео.html
If you are turning left, you have the right of way against someone turning right into the same road as yourself. Victoria changed to this rule when road rules were nationalised.
Through petrol station is illegal in victoria, except you stopped for shopping or oil filling
Hi FYI no myth , same law Australia wide all class as road related area , any public thoroughfare is allowed to be driven through
Over use of blinkers whilst travelling through a roundabout. This one does my head in
why? a roundabout is no different to a cross or T intersection, except it has a hump in the middle.
Thank for uploading those picture it was helping me learning a lot where the road rules are about :) Thanks Scott
you are welcome , helping people learn the right rules is what i make these for :)
Just have to ask do this rules apply in Victoria. I'm right now going for my L's and I just want to make sure that I have a wide range of knowledge about the road laws before i do my test
Thorin Stewart to my knowledge they are all the same in Victoria BUT i know there are few different rules there such as hook turns etc , so recommend you check all , you may have this but is a drivers info for Victoria www.aasprint.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Road%20to%20Solo%20Driving%20-%20Vicroads%20-%20Jan%202010.pdf
They are virtually identical!
The only major rule difference is the uturn rule. We are allowed to make a uturn at lights unless there is a sign saying no uturn.
Scotts Car Cameras thanks I'll take a look at that
Umm. There's a "Handbook" + website all of which I'd assumed to be extensively studied. Please do NOT go for the L's just yet.
My observations on these rules are:- Rules 5 changing lane on a roundabout is going to confuse other road users. Rules 4 is going to cause accidents where vehicles are turning ing from the other direction at the same time. Rules 3 shows poor road design, permitting parking that close to an intersection, especially the bus stop. Rules 2 it would have been helpful if the line about "if it is safe to do so" had been made clear. You are not going to stop if the tailgater behind is going to proceed.
Hi re Rule 5 thats on drivers to see indicators drivers changing lanes must have room to do it so it won't affect others and Rules 4 can not cause and accident as t vehicles are turning from the other direction are not allowed to turn at the same time. They must wait until all traffic has cleared before they turn , Rules 3 shows poor road design, permitting parking that close to an intersection, especially the bus stop. No all parking distance is set in the laws and no issue , re rule 2 safe is each drivers judgment , same as we judge safe , speeds , braking distance , not all can be set in black and white :)
@ScottsCarcameras here in NZ, there are many intersections where turning traffic can proceed from opposite directions, and if you don't turn into the appropriate lane it can cause issues. That being said, my observation of Kiwis over the past 15 years is that they are generally not good at following rules, so unless it is made impossible for them to do the wrong thing they will find a way to something they shouldn't.
I remember at intersections car turning right across intersection had right of way over car turning left into same lane (Victoria Traffic lights). Then they changed it to car turning left had right of way over car turning right so many more cars were banked up in intersection waiting for left turning cars opposite to clear.
How can you indicate to change lanes in a roundabout when you need to give something like 2 seconds notice? Or has that rule changed?
HI the rule has not changed there has never been a time requirement on indicating for a lane change , however if teh runabout id very small you may not have enough time signal a lane change so doing one is not safe or practical and unable due to traffic in the roundabout so you wont not do it :)
The final one isn't correct. You're not allowed to as doing this will increase the probability of hitting a pedestrian.
Agree. It seems super risky, and as it is private property you are entering I think the law should require drivers to stay on the roadway and obey the signals. Likewise there are private dwellings on corners with driveways providing through access. Hard to believe the law is ok with you cutting through the property to avoid a red light!
Hi FYI no all is correct these are not opinions just copy paste of fact/law there is not such thing as "not allowed to as doing this will increase the probability of hitting a pedestrian" there is no law against driving in a road related area :)
Hi FYI its no classed a s private property is public access and open to public and the road laws sapply is sped dlimit s, stop signs , this is classed a sroad relate darea dn doesn't matter if its petrol station , car park etc all the same, and same if you take the red light was an dhave a stop sign intersection or roundabout same situation same laws :)
and what happens if the right lane can also turn left you are suposed to remain in the lane you entered the left turn in
Also who has Right of way at Round about
Scott, what I would really like to see you do is the full roundabout set of rules especially right of way requirements. I watch too many examples of motorists blowing up about heavy vehicles already in the roundabout. I am a former NSW driver examiner and would love to see people be made aware of these rules.
Hi i actual here done a full one and did roundabout rules in the vol 2 and 3 see links :)
ruclips.net/video/MGQLghn5FlY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.html
I remember many years ago hearing about a new rule announced in the media about how as of a certain date ,drivers must follow their lane through when turning, they couldn't drift into the next lane. I never heard it rebuked, but I believe you.
I also heard in decades past how the Sydney harbour Bridge toll was about to be applied in both directions, & new learners must get an automatic transmission licence or manual/auto licence.
Media must announce the less dramatic "government changed mind" as clearly.
Hi David so there was never a new rule going to be put in place can only assume you possibly heard something on TV with perhaps the topic was being discussed or someone was putting forward the idea but it was never at any point put in the legislation or was going to be this rule of the same for at least the last 55 years when I did the research on it :-)
Your videos are ideal to show my brother who is coming over from the UK soon and plans to do a bit of touring thanks for posting.
Thanks , yes have you seen the other education vids i have ? get him to what the one on undertaking the uk drivers love that :)
Do these rules apply to all of Australia or to NSW only?
Hello yes all of the rules in this particular video are the same in all of Australia. The only exception is rule number three changing lanes in an intersection. There are some slight variations on this rule in W.A. where you can only change lanes in an intersection if you need to either avoid an accident or an obstruction etc. And Queensland where they have unbroken lines before and after intersections you can change lines in the intersection but you cannot cross over those unbroken lines entering and exiting the intersection. The rest of the rules are universal for the rest of the country :-)
Glad you put out this video, cos I had been thinking of doing it..... we need this to go viral, but then again, drivers these days just don't care about the rules even if they take the time to learn them.With your incorrect example of lane changing within a round about, the car not only changes lane without indicating, however also crosses an unbroken line. road markings within roundabouts must also be obeyed.
Hi mate , thanks for watching the video m FYI the roundabout fail you mentioned , actually they were not unbroken lines , most rouandbouts have longer broken lane lines on the bend especially to help guide the traffic , you will note the lines are not continuous / unbroken for the whole length of the roundabout and even in the correct example and diagrams show similar lines , if a roundabout does have a continuous line will be for the whole way and usually done if there are two lines/ lanes of traffic but are going in different directions eg left lane only turn left , and usually will have painted arrows on the road , does that make sense ? Have a good one
Hi Scott's can you make an better explanation and what I'd there's only a single way you cab turn right at 2:30 thanks
Hello sorry i cant understand your question what a 2:30 did you not understand ?
@@ScottsCarcameras hi no I don't quite understand, I'm new to this so please forgive me, but at 2:30 when you want to turn right, there's 2 lanes you can turn into, what if there's only 1 lane you can turn into and do you have to yield to that car?
@@ScottsCarcameras please help me with this as I would really appreciate it, remember helping one is helping all, I will also do the same, teaching other people ❤️
Hi Yield to what car ?
Do the same for Western Australia jeez I live here from UK originally theses people don't know how to use roundabouts properly or merge properly onto a motorway etc
Seriously? There are 6 states and 2 territories in Australia all with different road rules. I suggest you change the title to "5 Misunderstood Road Rules in NSW".
Yes , so fyi the road rules for all of Australia as mostly the same in all states only a few road rules have so variation and change usually just in one state so the title and rules are valid and to show the rules in this video are all the same in all states , the only exception is the rule for changing lanes in an intersection its not legal in only WA unless there is an obstruction . everything else is the correct rule for all states :)
At a Traffic light, when there is a round green light only (& arrow turn light is blank), i can still turn, but just have to give way as if lights weren't there.......is that right?
Yes correct www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/traffic-lights.html
what about when theres two lanes turning left with incoming 3 lanes? me and my friends always argue about this.. my friend said the car on the right turning left should go to the 3rd lane (very right). and the car on the left can go 1st or 2nd. but i thought it should be like the car on the left can only go to the 1st lane (very left) and the car on the right can go 2nd or 3rd lane.. which one is the right one? O.O
Hi Cherry that easy the answer is both :) ok so when you have an intersection where example 2 lanes turns left into a 3 lane road , there will always be lane markings ( broken/dotted lines on the ground that show drivers which the lane/s they must go into , there could also be arrows , signs or even unbroken lines to guide the drivers , typical the left lane will be directed to the far left lane and the right lane driver will have a choice of the middle or far right lane when turning . BUT there are many intersections that are the opposite so the left lane gets the left and middle choice . so each intersection can be different and you must follow the line markings/signage etc . and this is the same for turning right at an intersection as well does that explain it all for you ?
When turning right at a traffic light, you can move to the middle of the intersection waiting for a break in traffic when it's still green.
Who would be at fault, if the lights changed to amber and red and as you turn a car going through the red or amber smash into you?
Of course the car that went through, but can you be charged for turning onto coming traffic as well?
Greg
Hi Greg i covered this in another video see link , so the answer is to quote/paraphrase the law , " you must wait until the intersection is clear and it is safe to turn " so if the light turn yellow you need to wait for all traffic clear then turn , if a car in the other direction runs a red and hits you they are at fault only not you , but while it still yellow you need to wait if traffic has not all stopped, make sense ?
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@@ScottsCarcameras thanks for that information.
I came close to a nasty accident when a car run the red and missed me only by a few inches.
I was told I was partly at fault also.
I got dashcam and it showed that the car went through the red light.
Havagooday
Greg
Can you clarify the rule for multi lane right turn when another vehicle is turning left at the same time please Scott?
Hi yes i can , however i thought your name seemed familiar , so i did a quick search on my channel and found the last conversation we had was on the same subject and was a case of you not wanting to accept the rules and laws i was explaining / referring and you insisting i had broken a law i hadnt , so with that in mind are you trolling me and looking for an argument , or do you seriously want to be helped with the road rules, i am happy to forget the last encounter and help people but not if im being trolled or time wasted , ?
Scotts Car Cameras Hi Scott, no, I don’t want to waste your time and please don’t think that I’m trolling you. This is purely a request on behalf of many people, who subscribed to your channel and enjoy watching your vids. If I could make another request, could you also do one on keeping left and U turns at traffic lights?
Ok i will take you a face value , re your question can you elaborate a little more , the rule when turning at an intersection is if your are turning right you must give way to traffic in the other direction that is going straight or turning left before you can turn right , but ig there are multiple lanes turning right they generally will not have other traffic going , ie there would traffic lights arrows , if you can be more specific i can help , please see this video on turning at traffic lights , and i have already done a video on keeping left see link as well, i will keep the uturn in mind for a future vid yes people are confused as that varies state to state , but in NSW you cant do a uturn at traffic lights unless there is a utrun permitted sign .
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I would have thought that driving through a petrol station without any intention of purchasing would have been trespass. It is private property for which there is a right of entry for specific purposes. A person driving through is not stopping and is thus faster than is expected for vehicles at that location. Potentially putting customers at risk or even denying customers the space they need for purchasing fuel.
interesting how i was never taught these.. and figured most of them out, except they've recently updated the rules
Cutting through a service station driveway to bypass a red light: $349 and 3 demerit points (since 2021)
Hi Thanks for watching , re " the Cutting through a service station driveway to bypass a red light: $349 and 3 demerit points (since 2021" no thats not the case , you have been misinformed the or misunderstood , there is no rule you reference about this from 2021 or any of other time , what rule number are you referring to and what source ? :)
I’m bit confused which light to turn on at night driving dim or focus?
I learnt to drive in NSW and the rule for Number 3 was you can't change lanes within 30 metres of an intersection. Given you are providing a different answer, I assume that rule has changed since the early 90's?
Hi No law hasn't changed , ( at least since 1969 when i reached for these , that when the modern road rules act wa made) , heard that few times, best guess why is maybe confused when there are unbroken lines prior to the intersections and you can change lanes there , ( common in QLD may have spread from there ) or either just a myth that got around , or people were teaching driver to to do it as they thought it best practice but not illegal :)
@@ScottsCarcameras That was from the RTA handbook at the time. But the handbook was not as thorough on the rules as the rules you show in your vids.
don't have you have a copy do you , legislation copies i have but not older handbooks , may see if they can be found :)
Melbourne or Sydney which is better in this case?
as in who is the better drivers ?
@@ScottsCarcameras in which I can drive nicely? I mean which is more comfortable?
In Victoria, we have signs saying MERGE RIGHT - LEFT LANE CEASES AHEAD. To me it gives an excuse to not keep left... And is a nonsensical statement. The right lane is the one that ceases.
Can anyone tell me why are we seeing more n more drivers making a left hand turn from the centre lane of 3 laned roads?
They're bloody lazy and / or impatient, that's what !
I have always understood that driving through the servo is trespass. Not covered by road rules, true, but still illegal.
Hi Robert FYI no trespass not applicable as it a public accessible area and public thoroughfare , same as shopping centre carpark , mcdonalds drive thru , trespass is only valid is a law is broken and still a civil matter so not illegal , plus the road rules do apply to any public access area is defined as a "road related Area" so speed limit , give ways signs , all apply that why they just had to change the law on using phones while driving to make it not illegal to tap for paym,net via a phone at drive through stores :)
You are right about the Amber light, no such thing as a Yellow light. You get a green tick. Great work, Cheers
Hi Actually it is Yellow , the first reference had amber in bracket as some think it is to not confuse but the legal required colour is Yellow see the next slide with the legislation shows yellow and the Australian standard DOC for roads that deinmiend all device ie sign size , lane wide , fonts etc states they must be Yellow :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In Queensland the term yellow for an Amber light is slowly being used for people who don't know their ABC of colours. The turn amber light or yellow light appear on one or other Government web page. Twenty years ago it was amber light Australia wide. If beer is any guide the turm amber ale is used, yellow beer is something else. Cheers
Well, I learned something re the petrol station! I was always "told" it was illegal. Is there a reference for that?
yes and no , so there isnt a road book with a diagram of a petrol station showing you how to drive through one :) but as you may be aware how the law works is that dont list what is legal , just what illegal and if its not in the offence list you can do , i can give you a link to the offence list if you want to it, the subject is covered under "road related areas and adjacent land" i will give you some links on that and if you have any other questions or things can help with on it let me know www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s74.html
www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s11.html#road_related_areawww.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s26.html#adjacent_land
Great, thanks for the links, I'll have a good read! I thought it might have been something like that, rather than something specific.
I think the petrol station issue will depend on the owners asserting (or not) their right that the forecourt is not a public right of way - probably not a statute law issue. I've seen signs at petrol stations telling people not to use the forecourt to avoid the traffic lights in Melbourne and Brisbane. Someone having an accident on a forecourt and not having purchased anything could easily have any insurance claim denied as they were not acting lawfully. The same issue applies to privately owned car parks, they usually have notices saying that entry is governed by their terms and conditions. Council owned car parks are usually considered to be part of the road network and all normal road rules apply.
Hi FYI , I that's how it's works , place may put signs to ask people not to drive through , but any place that allows public traffic is subject to the same rules as on the road , petrol station example l same as large shopping centre carpark , if a crash happens still ruled at fault via road llaws and re insurance no there is no "unlawful act " as drving through is not illegal , purchase irrelevant, same you pull into a McDonald's carpark to se the bath room and have a crash , you haven't purchased anything ! Yes private property different , but private property with public access falls under state road rules , hope that explains
A petrol station I know has bollards in it. It's not possible to use it to by-pass the lights. If you pull into it before the lights, the only exit is the way you came in. The other half of the station is after the lights, and can not be accessed from before the lights. Guess they got fed up being used as a drive-through.
Where I live, country, there is a roundsbout that has 2 lanes entering and leaving, North South. On the Eastern entry is a single lane right turning, one single lane left turning. No West exit/entry. Once in the roundabout you are immediately in single lane until the start of the first double entry lanes where it becomes 2 lanes. I stay in left lane. I have right blinker on and use left blinker when exiting roundabout. Almost every time someone entering fails to give way. My son says I should stick to inside lane then once out of roundabout quickly change to left lane for fast approaching left street turn. I've tried that, they still don't give way. Have also tried no indicator on entering in case they think I'm indicating lane change IN roundabout, no help. I'm tired of crawling through watching them like a haek, at the ready to brake. No other roundabouts do I have to be concerned about people not giving way to IN roundabout traffic. Opinions, helpful, not rude. Scottys advice would be appreciated.
What's the location of the roundabout ? :)
@ScottsCarcameras Beach Rd, Batemans Bay, library, sport fields roundabout.
Actully I watched another of your videos on roundabouts and found my answer there. I'm doing the legal thing, not much more I can do I guess.
Hi so yes and review of that you were just into the roundabout with your right indicator on once you go past the single lane section to where there are two lanes you’re allowed to go into either of those lanes you wish once you’ve selected your lane yes indicate left on exit or traffic coming from the other direction. Must wait for you to pass and give way to you if traffic’s failing to give way flashing the lights to the horn and get a dash camera recorded. Send it to me and then I’ll see themselves doing wrong and hopefully stop :)
@ScottsCarcameras Don't worry I use the horn and a few choice words :) Been considering a dashcam. Thanks for replying and Happy New Year.
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It was illegal to drive through fuel stations in Victoria at one stage but I think it was changed when they unified a lot of rules nationally.
Driving directly through a service station to achieve a short cut is an offence in NSW. It is termed "drive on or over footpath", by the police, and results in 3 demerit points and a fine of $349. You are allowed to drive over a footpath only to gain lawful access to a property or in response to an emergency. Gaining a shortcut does not count. The danger of this manoeuvre to pedestrians is pretty obvious.
Do not take advice on road rules from lay u-tube videos.
Hello John FYI no it is not hence the video which not a Lay u , it's a properly researched and backed How to on the law . re the rule your semi quoted no that's not what that rule means for applies to , as there is a driveway to a publicly accessible area you can drive over the footpath via that driveway , the rule you refer to would be if you drove into there via a different route ie over a footpath through garden bed etc , this example is not just for service stations but any road related area , ie car park , shopping centre , food drive through etc this is why video sliek this a needed as people like you are confused on these rules but great now the correct information is being researched, if you have any other questions let me know :)
Think you find that's a myth but if you a source reference please share :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In the US they term it avoiding a traffic control signal.
@@ScottsCarcameras I cannot see that a "reference" is needed. It is road rule 288, as I would expect you know, and searching on that number under demerit point offences on the R&M website shows the fine and demerits. No one appeals these, so you will not find District Court cases.
Would rather have you speak in these type of videos
It is legal to change lanes in a roundabout? I would like to see a link to that rule
Yes link was in video description but here's short version and gov video :)roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/downloads/top-10-misunderstood-road-rules.pdf
roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html#roundabouts
If driving through service station etc to avoid intersection what is the speed limit?
well its not about avoiding the intersection , the point was just to say its not illegal and it applies to all areas like car parks, fast food business, shops etc any where that is on a corner , but to answer your question , it could be different in other states but in NSW if there are speed signs that would be the linti , if not it would the shard zone limit is 10KMH :)
The speed limit in such areas is not dependant on what your intentions of being on the area are. Just drive there as you would at any other moment that you would be there; slow. Or where you really planning on driving 50kph through a fuel station?
Can a car in the left lane turn right at an intersection with no markings?
Hello No you can not , see link i covered it in Vol 3 :) ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.html
The turning into any lane thing is only legal when there's only one turning lane in the road from which you turned. If there are multiple turning lanes, you MUST turn into the corresponding lane in the road you are entering.
It would be nice if this was mentioned so people don't assume it is with all turning manouvres.
It was mentioned Grae at 1:25 :)
@@ScottsCarcameras There is no mention of multi left turn lanes.
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As in the video didn't cover the rules for turning when there are more than one turning lane ? yeh that's a whole different law and setup and would need a full section done on it and didnt want to mix /confuse that with this rule in the one video but if you interested this link will help :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
@@ScottsCarcameras yeah, that's what I asked about. I think it best to clarify this, even by just saying "this applies only with one turning lane, for multiple turning lanes see an upcoming video or consult the rms" or something to that effect.
Otherwise people will assume (if they only watch the one video) that the rule you were talking about applies to all left turns into mulit-lane roads.
I've had SO many near sideswipes etc from idiots not following the law when turning from a road with multiple turning lanes.
You can clairify this without having to confuse and blur it, or talk of more than one rule at a time.
Otherwise, your videos are pretty bloody good.
how to right turn into 5 or 6 lanes??
Simple instead to Turning into 1,2,3,or 4 you pick 5 or 6 :)
4:48 Mate why are you driving in the Bus Lane???? Surely thats Illegal?
Hi , driving in a bus lane is illegal if not turning etc , but here there are different types of bus lanes , and in this case that is a timed bus lane , so it's a bus lane. From 3-7pm for buses to use in peak hour but the rest of the day it's a normal lane for all to use . :)
Gaming Ninja51 Bus lane or bike lane, you can drive in it for a short distance if you are turning. Allows you to get out of the stream traffic and slow down without holding up others. Similar in Victoria and South Australia.
I disagree with how you've presented point 5, You approached in the left lane, designated by road markings to proceed straight ahead in that lane, a lane separated by a solid white line from the right lane. Claiming you can then change lane in the intersection is 'almost' the same as being in a right turn only lane at traffic lights, then proceeding straight because 'I can change lane in the intersection'
All comparisons break down at some point, what i'm saying is you're really pushing a grey area. Watching many youtube crash videos suggest a bulk of incidents involve cars changing lanes during intersections. Just because there is no law specifically against being stupid, doesn't mean you should internationally act that way.
Hello , a lot to explain and correct you on here so will go in point form
1- no sure what you disagree with how pretested, ? its correct so No
2- Not claiming you can change lanes YOU CAN change lanes that the law and the point of number 5 and the video
3-the roundabout in 5 as per all roundabouts have a solid /unbroken line on approach as you can change lanes at that point for safety , but inside the roundabout you can change lanes , the lines are not unbroken , they are longer then on a standard lane marking as they are there to show the lanes designation on the bends to help cars stay in the lanes when 2 are next to each other but are broken lines , in the event you were not allowed to change lanes the lines would unbroken all the way through the roundabout and/or would; be sign posted or have lane markings etc . see the link to the official gov rules on roundabouts watch video at 1:16 covers this :)roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/campaigns/roadrules.html
4- Again no "claiming " you can change lanes in an intersection , re being in a right turn lane and going stight IS NOT almost the same , At all there is a specif rule/law for that stating you cant doing it ! see links . regulation 88 to 92 www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s92.html
5 _ No no break down !
6 - NO , no grey area is all in black an whore the laws clearly say what you can and cant do , and all points show in the video are legal, correct and ok ,
7 , last point wrong and mute , the law is there to say what you can do and how you should driver , just because you dont understand or like or were taught wrong etc doesn't others should driver correctly ,
if you still dont understand any law or want more information let me know Good day :)
Yes, if you haven't done it already in another video. Road rules for Australia regarding the proper use of roundabouts. It seems almost NO ONE gives way at roundabouts.
HI got you covered on that please see link and let me know what you think :)ruclips.net/video/MGQLghn5FlY/видео.html
Thanks mate. :o) I just watched it. Is it supposed to be only a 6 second video or is there something wrong ?
lol yes something went wrong , you remind me i had to fix something on that video and clicked on the wrong the wrong thing and cut the video down to 6 seconds :( its in the process of being fixed try back in an hour or so it should be fixed sorry :(
Will do, thanks :o)
its fixed now :)
This was filmed in NSW. This not correct for drivers in NSW. You must turn from the left most lane into the left most lane
27 Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road)
(1) A driver turning left at an intersection from a road (except a multi-lane road) must approach and enter the intersection from as near as practicable to the far left side of the road.
Maximum penalty-20 penalty units.
(1A) Subrule (1) also applies to a rider of a bicycle who approaches and enters an intersection from a bicycle storage area.
Note-
Bicycle storage area is defined in the Dictionary.
(1B) Despite subrule (1), if there is space in a bicycle storage area for 2 riders of bicycles to be next to each other, the rider on the right may approach and enter the intersection as near as practicable to the right side of the other rider, but only if that other rider approaches and enters the intersection in accordance with this rule.
(2) In this rule-
road does not include a road related area.
Note 1-
Intersection and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary.
Note 2-
Road related area includes any shoulder of a road-see rule 13.
Example-
Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road)
and the same for the right turn
Got to NSW Legislation site and read it for yourself.
HI Green FYI no its all correct, you have confused it , so the quote you pasted has nothing to do with this its is only to do with where you can START a turn , its for when there is only 1 turing lane and 1 lane to turn into and its states if you read it you must stay the left SIDE of the road NOT anything to do with lanes or lane choice that's different rule , re read you quote the see link to reference page scroll down t "turning " section you will the rule s, details and images showing the rule and that as in the video when its a single turing lane you can turn into any lane left , middle , right etc and fyi these these rule are the same and correct for all of Australia , any questions let me know :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
I thought Australian road rules were; Biggest car has right of way on a roundabout.
The thing that bugs me though is the people that are going straight through a roundabout but indicate left, right, left. And leave everyone else wondering where they are going.
This is how my driving instructor taught students to indicate when using a roundabout, way back in 1996 (QLD).
thats why i just never indicate on roundabouts 👍
The Amber light on your car is an indicator not a postscript..
My driving instructor said that you can’t change lanes in an intersection until you’ve hit the dotted line 🤔 when it comes to getting your P’s, you can lose points while testing for your license.
Hi , well your driving instructors doing a very bad job and you should fire them and get a new one :) yes you can change lanes no you can’t be penalised when you haven’t broken a rule ! What state are you from ?
Scotts Car Cameras I’m from Victoria
Scotts Car Cameras it’s not just my instructor, have you seen “Driving Test” on the TV? When a person is going for their P’s, and they cross the intersection, they lose points and it can sometimes cost them!
Well In that case yes you can change lanes if you obey all other rules eg indicate, give way etc and there are no signs or lane markings saying you can’t , maybe your instructor means something different, are you still getting lessons from them ? If so ask them about it and if they still say you can at all , ask what rule number that is :)
Let know how you go :)
Scotts Car Cameras Nah, I’m still learning but I’m getting the same instructor again when I’m going for my P’s :)
4:48 why u in the bus lane?
Hi Thomas its a timed bus lane in this ones case case it s from 3-6pm week days as seen on the signs , so out side those times it a general use lane all traffic can use :)
It is a dangerous practice short cutting through service stations. It shows idisrespect to pedestrians and impatience. Nothing is so important that you need to save 2 seconds and risk a life.
Yes point wasn’t was it right or wrong but legal or not
@@ScottsCarcameras you can cut through a petrol station or parking lot but not private property to avoid a red light
@@ScottsCarcameras then the point is, if it's 'legal' then there will be plenty of self-centred arseholes that will do it .. just because they can .. and it's their 'right'!!😠
@@TheCKLTHOMAS Petrol stations and parking lots ARE private property!!!!