I remember when I was learning to drive my instructor told me that while it's legal, it's best not to change lanes on a roundabout as it can be confusing for other drivers
true , it is uncommon and in alot of cases impractical to change lane sin a roundabout , but for this video its more address the issue of if its legal , not often you will need to do it (legally anyway )
that is true - but the traffic entering has to give way cause im in the roundabout anyway - from a 2 lane roundabout into a one lane exit that is like a dogs leg
the instance where you would have to indicate changing lanes is where two lanes enter into a round about from one direction but is single lane from the other. many driver believe they can enter from the inside lane to the outside without indicating.
Peter Brock, the famous Australian racing driver once said, people aren't taught to drive, they are taught to pass their test. I'm not a racing driver, but I fully agree.
as a motorcycle instructor once told me: it doesn’t matter who’s in the right if you’re dead. If you survive long enough following the “road rules” to notice which ones most often cause near misses, just stop doing them (and start watching out for when other drivers do them and avoid them too)
It's been in folklore for the better part of a century. The saying, passed down to me from my father, is: "He was right, dead right, as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he were wrong."
@ 2:17, it's okay to turn left into either lane yes, but not okay to drive down the middle using both lanes for 100m till you decide which lane you want.
Hi Andrew re he rules , no , re the two system there would be no traffic coming from the right as they have to stop and give way to traffic turn left, and No the rule for turning into any lane is the same in all states sin Australia , a urban myth or Chinese wispier thing that some people thing you have to go the inner ?left lane :)
@@ScottsCarcameras there is a difference which may only apply in Victoria. If the road is marked with broken lines that specify the turn (hard to explain) then you must stay in that lane during the turn. (rules 29 and 33)
The changing lanes while turning scenario is one manoeuvre that we were told not to do by driving instructors on an advanced driving course. I guess what's legal, and what's best practice are sometimes two different things.
@@bencodykirk I've done it but only because the lights only allwoed three cars through at a time and I'd been in the line for four changes of lights. While I would have got through on the fifth i wanted the person behind me turning right to be able to make it. They have thankfully adjusted the light sequence now.
Going through a service station to bypass traffic lights might be legal, but it’s a bit of a dick move. Usually because the people who do it drive flat out through the service station forecourt so they can beat everyone else. I’d rather we had more intersections in this country where you can turn left in red. They’re becoming more rare every year
Known as doing a 'rat run' for a reason. Left turn on red after stopping and yielding is a great thing ! Agree there should be more of this, if done right it saves a lot of hold ups, improves traffic flow, but if done like the yanks often do it, well . . . it's then a sh!tfest of accidents.
@@StraightNoChaser86 Unfortunately in Poland it tents to be normal... A lot of people find themselves in the wrong lane on the roundabouts and the create traffic jams because they wait for people from other lane to let him through
if you're going straight ahead anyway, might as well just change lanes when you have exited the roundabout. Same with traffic light intersections. Rules are one thing, common sense another.
@@ScottsCarcameras I am a little worried about going through a petrol station to cut traffic because this video was about like 3 years old. Is it still legal to drive through a petrol station without stopping for anything?
Scotts Car Cameras - if you had to successfully complete the entrance exam in the last two decades, you’d agree an above average degree of intelligence is required for the job.
first, thank you for #4. I always turned into the lane I needed to be in when I need to turn next but my Australian wife told me I need to turn into the inner lane. I'm not from Australia so I did it like I learned it where I am from. second, even if it might not be a traffic violation to go across a petrol station I would consider it bad manners. A petrol station is private property after all and the owner or proprietor might not be too happy with drivers using the petrol station as a short cut.
Yes, I agree. There's legality and there's manners / not being a douche. There are a lot of things that are legal that really shouldn't be done in a civilised society. Sure, you can't get arrested or fined for them but it doesn't mean it's good practice.
Common road habits in Australia: 1: Sitting in the right hand lane on a freeway at 110 kph despite there being no traffic in the left lane. 2: Merging immediately from a side road into the right hand lane on a freeway and only doing 100kph for the next 4 KM before looking in mirror at queue behind you. 3: Pulling your truck into the right hand lane and doing 80KPH uphill overtaking another truck doing 79.8KPH and gradually slowing to 60kph near the crest of the hill, when you pull in behind the truck you failed to overtake. 4: Mirrors what are they for? Identifying the driver you slowly pulled out in front of and giving him the finger. 5: Sitting in the right hand lane at Canberra because you need to turn right somewhere in Sydney and you want to be ready for it.
A servo owner here in QLD put a stop to it. It was right near a primary school, and the kids often stopped there for drinks/snacks. New chain across the "exit" people used to use. It had a couple nice big "no exit" signs attached. The first time a local ran into it, he had them charged with damaging his property and trespass, since they had no reason to be on his premises. The kids felt a bit safer as well.
5, 3, and 1 I had no clue were legal. Although, changing lanes on a roundabout should be illegal because indicating can confuse other drivers as there are two options for intentions, as well as spacial awareness being compomised due to different rear mirror viewing angles and cars frequently entering and exiting. Changing lanes in an intersection should mostly be fine, although they are more dangerous areas where the driver should be paying full attention to cars that might enter unexpectedly. And increased traffic through a service station that isn't intended to be used as a thoroughfare would heighten the risk of accidents.
Here's a suggestion for another video. Normal residential single-lane streets that intersect with a main road. When exiting the residential street you could go left or right. Turning left means waiting for traffic from a single direction, while turning right means having to wait for both lanes. Thus turning right normally takes longer. Although there are no lines painted on the road, often roads have enough space for other cars to turn left, instead of waiting for the car in front to eventually turn right. My ex was in this common situation. A large truck was waiting to turn right into the main road. She carefully pulled up on the left and was waiting to go, when suddenly the truck driver decided he'd had enough of waiting, and decided to turn left, crunching her car in the process, since he didn't see it down there. The insurance company found her at fault because she should have waited for the truck to turn, and there were no lines on the road to legally create the space for her to turn from. I don't think anyone would wait for right-turning cars, and if there were space they'd just go for it and turn left.
hi I have done a video on a similar set up but it’s when there are two lanes on the road with no arrows not when it’s a single lane obviously when it is a single lane as you stated if there’s enough room you need to if you’re turning left or right you need to go as far to the left or right of robe as possible to allow others to turn at the same time without getting more details of your exes accident I can only assume that the truck driver probably said that he was indicating left the whole time and taking up it was on the right side of the road because he needed the space and given the large trucks have the do not overtake turning vehicle sign they would’ve found her at fault that if she had a dash camera to show he was Indicating right to start with the change he would’ve been found a fault as no camera it’s her word against his
Road rules are great for everyone to have a common understanding - like the speed limits on the open road, but the *real* requirement is for drivers to be well trained & tested, cars to be well maintained - and to *drive for the circumstances/situation*. - a problem for a significant percentage of *licenced* drivers!
yes , the point in the video is to explain to those who dont know that you are legally required to stop for a yellow , BUT avoiding a crash is always an exception to rules , its never a good idea to slam your brakes on to stop for a yellow , its always only if you can stop safely , but to those who see the yellow and hit the accelerator to get through before the light goes red , thats a no and the same fine a running the red
dmyl004 no, 70k zone, about 75m out from lights, L plater over compensated.. EDIT: to be clear, there was ample time to stop normally, it wasn't like there was 20m between the lights and him/her, but still scared the shit out of me ... 3 second rule saved by car
@@-Yogo depends on what the speed you are at. Fines are not only if you don't stop on a hard stop but the yellow light fines are if you had plenty of time to stop but chose to hit the accelerator instead
Yes and thats the problem , so many people think thats how its works and create accident and road rage , example you turn right into a 3 lane road and want to then turn left , so you go into the far right lane and the then indicate to go to change lanes twice , meanwhile the car behind goes straight into the far left lane and now your about to crash into them as there besides you , another issue is when driver think traffic in both directions you can turn left and and right at the same time ( as they think everyone must same in the elf tor right lane) and those turning right dont give way and a crash or near miss causes aggression happens , thats why all drivers need to know the correct road rules , take care :)
Yep, that's how it is here in Canada, too. Whether you are turning right or left you turn into the nearest lane and then merge over. That way two cars can turn onto the same street at the same time. You can also get a ticket for an improper turn if you turn into the far lane.
If you are right and this is allowed then it shouldn't be! This is a really stupid rule and is as illogical as it is dangerous. Turning left you should turn into the left most lane and if turning right, into the right most lane. It's the drivers that cross lanes often indicating one direction while changing lanes in the other direction that make it dangerous! It hinders traffic flow by preventing two drivers turning left and right at the same time. It's dangerous because you can have the driver behind you change lanes to the left while turning right and passing you on the left! If you look at the road from above you will see that turning left does feed into the left-hand lane and the same for turning right. You need to change your line mid corner to go into the outer lane. As for changing lanes in a roundabout... Geez, a good percentage of drivers don't know how to indicate correctly let alone change lanes safely as well. Shouldn't be allowed and the roads should be designed to not allow it. I'll repeat what a few other people have commented. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you should ever do it!
You guys miss the point. If it's one lane turning into multiple lanes then they can pick any lane. If it's two or more lanes turning into multiple lanes then there are almost always dotted lines marking the lanes you can turn into. It's so simple if people actually pay attention to the markings and use common sense.
Andrew Holmes It's actually quite straightforward in Australia but some people just don't seem to graspnthe concept. Just follow the lane markings and there should be no problems. Also it's so hard to describe all this without showing it, which causes more confusion.
At approx 2mins 19seconds into this when the two cars turned left into the Airport/ Eastern suburbs road and could go into either lane, the black SUV in front straddled both lanes after turning for a distance which is actually a fine and loss of points, so hardly "right" oh his part.
I AM SHOCKED at NUMBER 4. At 1:35 the first blue car should go into the closest lane then indicate if entering the right lane. The second blue car should go into the closest (R) lane. Because otherwise a car turning into there from top of picture can collide ! This seems crazy to me. Has the road rule changed? I bang on about people crossing lanes like this. And I've been in near misses recently because of this. How can you have people just picking any lane they feel like without indicating while others are entering those same lanes from elsewhere? If I'm wrong about this rule I have to find out more.
No the rule has never changed it always been like but the reason videos like this exist is because many people like yourself either were taught incorrectly or just got confused, and No it’s not crazy they can not collide as the car Turing right can not turn at the same time they must wait and give way and turn only when clear , covered this in another video :) ruclips.net/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/видео.html
@@ScottsCarcameras ruclips.net/video/0iwk9LYdS_w/видео.html This video, although from NZ, shows what I mean. Now I need to know if it differs between states. My friend was pulled over in Canberra by an off duty policeman for crossing lanes while turning. I was in the car and I "knew" or thought my friend was wrong to do so. So there's a policeman agreeing with me.
So far this is what I find. Official road rules are showing that you can pick which lane to turn into from a single lane. Incredible! This is important stuff here. I was taught the nearest lane rule, other videos show it, and I met one police officer who thought so too. And yet apparently it is wrong. This means I must give way when turning right into the multi-lane. (Which I have only done by being cautious of people I thought were breaking the rule.) And that is the big takeaway. MIND BLOWN
Hi so yes a video from New Zealand is not relevant as different countries have different rules they do it differently in America like they have different rules in the UK or USA has no bearing on Australia so they just remove that from the equation no this does not differ from any states this is an Australia wide rule it is the way it works in every state and always has your friend in Canberra was not pulled over for doing the example in the video if they were pulled over for something it would have been for a different offense possibly disobeying a sign saying you must stay in a certain lane crossing an unbroken line or perhaps it was a multi lane turning lanes and he changed lanes without indicating in the example in the videos there is no rule so the policeman did not pull them over for that
Hi well you where you say so far you can stop now because you don't need to go any further I've already done the research when I've made these videos that's and this has already stuff that was taught when you get your drivers license if you were taught then nearest lane then whoever taught you was a bad teacher there is no videos in Australia that show this because that's not how it works in this country and the police offer you you met was either a moron which most are or he didn't understand the question you're asking yes you must give way when turning right at all times you cannot turn at the same time as other traffic so yes you've been doing it wrong the entire time as I've as do many people hence why I've made videos like this to try and help people get it right and reduce accidents and road rage :)
I'm shortly emigrating to QLD from the UK. I find it astonishing that you can turn onto a three lane carriageway into any lane you feel like. If you were seen by the police doing that in the UK you'd get pulled over and ticketed without doubt. It's always, always been you occupy the leftmost lane available at ALL times, I'm amazed that there aren't constant collisions, especially on roundabouts, with the seeming lack of lane discipline.
Michael well welcome to Australia unfortunately to help for when you get here we don’t have to caraways we call them roads :-) yes some people seem shocked at turning into lanes other than the nearest but that's actually a waste of time and it actually safer to turn into the lane you want then to turn into the nearest lane and then you have to change lanes later your double handling , so if you want to go to the third lane because you want to turn right go hundred metres why I get to the left lane and have to then make two lane changes while vehicle behind the same thing at different speed and increase teh chance of a crash , you turn directly to the way you want so I always find it strange what other people do seem to think it’s a bad idea I think it’s more the fact that they were taught to do it rather than what you don’t actually agree with it you juts find it for going , example people who use 4 way stop sign systems going to roundabouts , re constant collisions there can’t be a collision in this example because there are no cars to crash into as it’s a single turning lane there’s no one else around you therefore there’s no one else for you to collide with . I’m not sure what you mean about in reference to roundabouts having to do with this initial question ? :)
I am a driving instructor. Thanks for the video. But it is illegal to pass the petrol station to avoid the red light or avoid traffic because you are illegally to use the foot path. You'll be fined and loss points in NSW, Victoria and west Australia., so Don't do that.
Hi well I hope your nit charging people money :( lol No that’s incorrect , hard to understand your broken English not there is no such as “ you are illegally to use foot path “ not sure what you meant to say , but you obviously drive over the footpath to enter and exit a petrol station to stop and get fuel , so not different here and this is no fine or points for it ! please re read the rules you instruct any one else :)
Thanks for your quick response. According to Australia Road Rule 288 Driving on a path. A driver must not drive on a path unless certain conditions. I don’t think passing the petrol statioin ( in NSW) to avoid traffic light or traffic jam is legal. Also, when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal and will be fined. I am not going to challenge you, but just try to find out the fact.
Hi No i have covered this already in other comments an video's rule 228 means you cant use a footpath as lane tor drive down the road , you can obviously drive over a path to enter a driveway to your home or car park or business . this is obviously done a million time a day by drivers as that how it is meant to be done ! that's why if you actually read and under the rule is states you can driver over a path " b) driving on the path to enter or leave, by the shortest practicable route, a road-related area or adjacent land" which is what the law defines a petrol station , read related area , you this no law against driving into a petrol stain for obviously reasons , so the law doesn't care why you went in there if you stop for petrol or not , if you drove in there can found its closed and keep driving you not breaking the law , so No its not illegal's to drive through any road related area , if there a a MacDonald's or shopping center park and drive through it exit same thing no law broken and no fine , there is no such thing as :when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal " if you know rule 228 you know the legislation that the law and its shows no it legal and no fine ! there is no challenge as im not making option i just showing the correct facts . :)
I’m very concerned that someone who says their a driving instructor doesn’t know this rule. Correctly , if you don’t know the rules and your teaching others then this is the problem a why bad drivers exist
As I can it now, someone is turning right at a roundabout and you are in the left lane (Straight through and right arrow) and you in the roundabout decided to change lanes, because you needed to go back to where you came from.
Why do so many drivers fail to change the blinker from right to left when leaving the roundabout. Pedestrians hate trying to cross at roundabouts because they can’t tell what the traffic is doing
its hard to do with certain cars i.e. 2005 - 2015 BMWs or Teslas because they have a stupid stalk behaviour which makes it hard to engage th blinker of the opposide side.
@@kingprone7846 both of which are likely automatics? Somehow I manage just fine changing gear with left hand, clutch with left foot, alternate brake and throttle with right foot, steer and indicate out of roundabout with right hand...
Glad you put out this video, cos I had been thinking of doing it..... we need this to go viral, but then again, drivers these days just don't care about the rules even if they take the time to learn them.With your incorrect example of lane changing within a round about, the car not only changes lane without indicating, however also crosses an unbroken line. road markings within roundabouts must also be obeyed.
Hi mate , thanks for watching the video m FYI the roundabout fail you mentioned , actually they were not unbroken lines , most rouandbouts have longer broken lane lines on the bend especially to help guide the traffic , you will note the lines are not continuous / unbroken for the whole length of the roundabout and even in the correct example and diagrams show similar lines , if a roundabout does have a continuous line will be for the whole way and usually done if there are two lines/ lanes of traffic but are going in different directions eg left lane only turn left , and usually will have painted arrows on the road , does that make sense ? Have a good one
Scott, what I would really like to see you do is the full roundabout set of rules especially right of way requirements. I watch too many examples of motorists blowing up about heavy vehicles already in the roundabout. I am a former NSW driver examiner and would love to see people be made aware of these rules.
Hi i actual here done a full one and did roundabout rules in the vol 2 and 3 see links :) ruclips.net/video/MGQLghn5FlY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/видео.html ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.html
I'm from the States and I'm scare to death to drive in Sydney, the roads are narrower, filled with potholes, missing signs and crooked asphalts. And drivers are very aggresive, specially the cab drivers.
I maintain double lane roundabouts are dangerous. Because if turning right you must cross the outside ring to exit. I still despise them. Plus most are too small to change lanes on.
Hi Actually it is Yellow , the first reference had amber in bracket as some think it is to not confuse but the legal required colour is Yellow see the next slide with the legislation shows yellow and the Australian standard DOC for roads that deinmiend all device ie sign size , lane wide , fonts etc states they must be Yellow :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In Queensland the term yellow for an Amber light is slowly being used for people who don't know their ABC of colours. The turn amber light or yellow light appear on one or other Government web page. Twenty years ago it was amber light Australia wide. If beer is any guide the turm amber ale is used, yellow beer is something else. Cheers
I think some of these rules only apply in NSW. Amber light means STOP if you can SAFELY. Lane change when turning at intersection. Not sure but in VIC you must follow the lane your in, as in, turning from outside lane into outside lane not changing to inside lane. You should turn into the lane THEN change lanes. Changing lanes in a roundabout, NO, complete your roundabout trip then change lanes. Doing a lane change in the roundabout is dangerous and could confuse other drivers. But as I said these rules you have highlighted may not apply in other states.
Hi Fred acutally NO all those rules you mentioned are the same in VIC and all states , unfortunately it’s a misconception many have I’m trying to help educate on , with that in mind how did you come to think all these things ?
HI Fred now i have more time i can reply in more detail , so as i said No there rules are the same in Vic 1. its a yellow light :) and yes same law in Nsw and vic (all states ) as said in video you MUST stop if you can stop safely before reaching the stop line law 57 2.NO in Vic same when turning at an intersection with only one turning lane you can turn into any lane , 3.YES you can change lanes in a roundabout as long as you obey all other rules , see links :) www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s57.html would love for you to reply so i can discuss with you where you got the incorrect information from helps me with promoting the rules and educating Thanks
Fred Nutz you know if I had dollar for every time I had someone say , oh no it’s different in Victoria I would retired , I don’t why it is that think the rules are different in VIC when they clearly aren’t , very poor driver education and training in there , must poor drive schools , government body not teaching , maybe it’s the idiotically thinking of many of the population in that state , :(. Glad I don’t live there the new Mexico
In VIC, it's the law to indicate right when entering a roundabout, and indicate left when leaving, but no one does it like that. They simply indicate left or right if that's where they're going, or they don't indicate if they're going straight. It's not legal to do it that way, but it's what everyone's used to, and it would be unsafe to do it differently. Driving instructors and Vicroads license testers even expect you to do it the "wrong" way.
Hi Thanks for your comment , to correct ti No that's not how the laws work in VIC , the rules for roundabouts are the same in all of Australia and teh same as in this video , you do not indicate right if going straight , if going straight you don't indicate ( left on exit is practical ) and ONLY indicate right if turning right , the idea to indicate if going straight is a myth and teh reason i made videos like this , i always ask people who comment here , where did you get this misinformation from ? :)
That's terrible that an instructor is giving out this misinformation , ive done the same training course and if they telling riders that is should be reported, always do your own research :) take care
Agree. It seems super risky, and as it is private property you are entering I think the law should require drivers to stay on the roadway and obey the signals. Likewise there are private dwellings on corners with driveways providing through access. Hard to believe the law is ok with you cutting through the property to avoid a red light!
Hi FYI no all is correct these are not opinions just copy paste of fact/law there is not such thing as "not allowed to as doing this will increase the probability of hitting a pedestrian" there is no law against driving in a road related area :)
Hi FYI its no classed a s private property is public access and open to public and the road laws sapply is sped dlimit s, stop signs , this is classed a sroad relate darea dn doesn't matter if its petrol station , car park etc all the same, and same if you take the red light was an dhave a stop sign intersection or roundabout same situation same laws :)
You can't indicate for a turn and a lane change at the same time. That said, my driving instructor (Victoria, 38 years ago) was quite voiciferous about it being illegal to change lanes through a turn at an intersection. It's interesting to see the opinion that it's not illegal in NSW provided you're entering via single lane access. I'll have to double check here in Victoria. It's one of those unspoken things like cutting through a servo to evade traffic lights which I used to do a lot when driving small, manoeuvrable vehicles.
Hi Mark a few things to unpack here you can indicate to change lanes while making a turn.Yeah you’re driving instructor was probably not up-to-date back then it’s been legal to change lanes in an intersection in Victoria and all states in Australia except W.A. for over 60 years But this is changing lanes while going through intersection is not to be confused with turning at intersection So were you reference single lane Access to clarified this if you’re turning right or left from a single turning lane into a multiple lane road you can go into any lane you wish you’re not making a lane change you’re simply turning into a chosen lane If there are example 2 lanes turning right into a two lane road then it will designate which lane you have to turn into. Your new must follow that however unless there are unbroken lines or signs or something telling you you cannot you would be legally allowed to change lanes while making that turn for example you could be in the far right lane and while making the change the outer lane this would require bay all of the road rules i.e. if there are cars next to you you would have to give Wayne wouldn’t be able to make the lane
I remember at intersections car turning right across intersection had right of way over car turning left into same lane (Victoria Traffic lights). Then they changed it to car turning left had right of way over car turning right so many more cars were banked up in intersection waiting for left turning cars opposite to clear.
Note rule 57(1)(c) which says if you can't stop before the line but cna stop before entering the intersectiomn then you need to stop before the intersection. People often think the first solid line is the only point to stop.
Do the same for Western Australia jeez I live here from UK originally theses people don't know how to use roundabouts properly or merge properly onto a motorway etc
Seriously? There are 6 states and 2 territories in Australia all with different road rules. I suggest you change the title to "5 Misunderstood Road Rules in NSW".
Yes , so fyi the road rules for all of Australia as mostly the same in all states only a few road rules have so variation and change usually just in one state so the title and rules are valid and to show the rules in this video are all the same in all states , the only exception is the rule for changing lanes in an intersection its not legal in only WA unless there is an obstruction . everything else is the correct rule for all states :)
Wouldn’t the requirement to drive to the left mean that you would be making these manouvers in the left lane as much as is practicable? In Victoria there is a requirement to “drive in a manner to avoid a collision” which is as clear as mud that would mean changing lanes in a roundabout would land you in hot water. Also, both of my instructors and the Victorian L plate book stated that you must complete the manouver in the same lane as you started. I don’t have a licence and declined to renew my learners in 94 as driving was just not my thing. Not easy living without a car but can be done
Hi , you comment is a little unclear and incorrect in parts i will do my best to guess what you mean and explain , the first part re drive in left lane not sure if you are referring to using roundabout or intersection , but "drive to the left " doesn't mean anything with lanes or turning if you could elaborate i can explain more . re lane change in roundabout NO you can change lanes in a roundabout " drive in a manner to avoid collision" is a given but as long as you obey all other rules you can change lanes no issue. and re the driving instructors or book you may have misunderstood or the may have given incorrect info , drivers handbook for VIC s doesn't say that , but if you did your tests before 94 they may have amended it in VIC to be inline with national rules . if you need any more info let me know :)
Hi Robert FYI no trespass not applicable as it a public accessible area and public thoroughfare , same as shopping centre carpark , mcdonalds drive thru , trespass is only valid is a law is broken and still a civil matter so not illegal , plus the road rules do apply to any public access area is defined as a "road related Area" so speed limit , give ways signs , all apply that why they just had to change the law on using phones while driving to make it not illegal to tap for paym,net via a phone at drive through stores :)
I thought Australian road rules were; Biggest car has right of way on a roundabout. The thing that bugs me though is the people that are going straight through a roundabout but indicate left, right, left. And leave everyone else wondering where they are going.
Hi Steve no that's the exact point of the video is you don't do that . you will want to go into different lanes depending on where you want to go , it turn right or left directly after , there is no chance of a "bingle " as there will be no one near you as other car have to give way and wait :)
The last one is interesting. Where I live (in the States), it's 100% illegal to do that whether one is crossing public or private property. It's considered evasion of traffic control, and though it doesn't happen often around me, I have seen it enforced once.
Yeah I complete see how is would be illegal in concept , but impractical to police as , say I drove into a "Gas Station " and realised I left my wallet at home , and so I can't stop for gas and drive out to go around the block to go home and get my wallet and come back , prove that's not the case , or how long do you have to stop for , drive in wait 30 seconds and then go , are you still evading traffic control ? , I know it's a stupid non inportant thing , I just find it funny how you can't technically say you are doing something wrong , have a good one ,
Well, in the case I witnessed it was actually the lot of a restaurant. The lot is very narrow, and collisions of any variety wouldn't require much effort; at best, people who were patronizing the restaurant would be completely prevented from leaving their parking spaces if the lot were constantly used to avoid the stoplight. So when that particular driver pulled in and never touched the brakes or swerved as though to park, what was going on was pretty obvious and the cop went right after. But the uncertainty you mention is no doubt why that's the only instance I've seen-I doubt too many people who cruise through a service station to avoid a light actually get caught.
Driving directly through a service station to achieve a short cut is an offence in NSW. It is termed "drive on or over footpath", by the police, and results in 3 demerit points and a fine of $349. You are allowed to drive over a footpath only to gain lawful access to a property or in response to an emergency. Gaining a shortcut does not count. The danger of this manoeuvre to pedestrians is pretty obvious. Do not take advice on road rules from lay u-tube videos.
Hello John FYI no it is not hence the video which not a Lay u , it's a properly researched and backed How to on the law . re the rule your semi quoted no that's not what that rule means for applies to , as there is a driveway to a publicly accessible area you can drive over the footpath via that driveway , the rule you refer to would be if you drove into there via a different route ie over a footpath through garden bed etc , this example is not just for service stations but any road related area , ie car park , shopping centre , food drive through etc this is why video sliek this a needed as people like you are confused on these rules but great now the correct information is being researched, if you have any other questions let me know :)
@@ScottsCarcameras I cannot see that a "reference" is needed. It is road rule 288, as I would expect you know, and searching on that number under demerit point offences on the R&M website shows the fine and demerits. No one appeals these, so you will not find District Court cases.
My driving instructor said that you can’t change lanes in an intersection until you’ve hit the dotted line 🤔 when it comes to getting your P’s, you can lose points while testing for your license.
Hi , well your driving instructors doing a very bad job and you should fire them and get a new one :) yes you can change lanes no you can’t be penalised when you haven’t broken a rule ! What state are you from ?
Scotts Car Cameras it’s not just my instructor, have you seen “Driving Test” on the TV? When a person is going for their P’s, and they cross the intersection, they lose points and it can sometimes cost them!
Well In that case yes you can change lanes if you obey all other rules eg indicate, give way etc and there are no signs or lane markings saying you can’t , maybe your instructor means something different, are you still getting lessons from them ? If so ask them about it and if they still say you can at all , ask what rule number that is :) Let know how you go :)
It is a dangerous practice short cutting through service stations. It shows idisrespect to pedestrians and impatience. Nothing is so important that you need to save 2 seconds and risk a life.
@@ScottsCarcameras then the point is, if it's 'legal' then there will be plenty of self-centred arseholes that will do it .. just because they can .. and it's their 'right'!!😠
yes some do , but most single lane setups dont , its usally only if there is two or more lanes turning , or a uncommon intersection, law is no matter what the road rules are , lane markings or signs are ultimate rule to follow
When turning from a single lane to a multi lane road, it is prudence to stay to the nearest lane to which you have turned. If you turn from a side street into a 3 lane road, and go straight to the right hand lane, you have changed lanes. Have you indicated that you are diverging right??? Could you be written up for an offence? As, when people are diverging right, they still have the left hand blinker on, and vice versa. The other point to look at is courtesy on the road. By staying in the nearest lane from where you have turned, this should, in theory, allow other oncoming vehicles to go into the other lane, thereby improving traffic flow, and reducing travelling times. So, feeding from a single lane cross road into a 2 or more laned road, traffic turning left should go to the left most lane, and change lanes when safe to do so, and right turning traffic should go to the right most lane, and chanbe lanes when it is safe to do so. The only exception to this thinking is a long vehicle making a turn. They are generally too long to keep to the one lane, so they have to use the next lane over to get the back of the vehicle around the corner without cutting the corner, but, they should aim to finish up in the lanes as was described above.
Hi FYI NO thats was all incorrect the law literally states you can turn into any and you are not changing lanes while turning as there is only one lane the one you are turning from the point made in the video and shown so NO so there is no offence you can be written up for and its good driving practice to do this as it reduces lane changes later which can impede traffic flow and traffic from other directions plus cut off drive behind you that are going straight into the other lane , also if its short distance there is no time change lanes , thats why the rule exists :) have a nice weekend
The turning into any lane thing is only legal when there's only one turning lane in the road from which you turned. If there are multiple turning lanes, you MUST turn into the corresponding lane in the road you are entering. It would be nice if this was mentioned so people don't assume it is with all turning manouvres.
As in the video didn't cover the rules for turning when there are more than one turning lane ? yeh that's a whole different law and setup and would need a full section done on it and didnt want to mix /confuse that with this rule in the one video but if you interested this link will help :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
@@ScottsCarcameras yeah, that's what I asked about. I think it best to clarify this, even by just saying "this applies only with one turning lane, for multiple turning lanes see an upcoming video or consult the rms" or something to that effect. Otherwise people will assume (if they only watch the one video) that the rule you were talking about applies to all left turns into mulit-lane roads. I've had SO many near sideswipes etc from idiots not following the law when turning from a road with multiple turning lanes. You can clairify this without having to confuse and blur it, or talk of more than one rule at a time. Otherwise, your videos are pretty bloody good.
I learnt to drive in NSW and the rule for Number 3 was you can't change lanes within 30 metres of an intersection. Given you are providing a different answer, I assume that rule has changed since the early 90's?
Hi No law hasn't changed , ( at least since 1969 when i reached for these , that when the modern road rules act wa made) , heard that few times, best guess why is maybe confused when there are unbroken lines prior to the intersections and you can change lanes there , ( common in QLD may have spread from there ) or either just a myth that got around , or people were teaching driver to to do it as they thought it best practice but not illegal :)
Despite the fact that the lane on the left side is clearly blocked due to many parking spots, there is a brazen driver who refuses to line up on the right side and overtakes the vehicle on the right side in the left lane before cutting into the right lane. It is Australia's own crazy rules.
This was filmed in NSW. This not correct for drivers in NSW. You must turn from the left most lane into the left most lane 27 Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) (1) A driver turning left at an intersection from a road (except a multi-lane road) must approach and enter the intersection from as near as practicable to the far left side of the road. Maximum penalty-20 penalty units. (1A) Subrule (1) also applies to a rider of a bicycle who approaches and enters an intersection from a bicycle storage area. Note- Bicycle storage area is defined in the Dictionary. (1B) Despite subrule (1), if there is space in a bicycle storage area for 2 riders of bicycles to be next to each other, the rider on the right may approach and enter the intersection as near as practicable to the right side of the other rider, but only if that other rider approaches and enters the intersection in accordance with this rule. (2) In this rule- road does not include a road related area. Note 1- Intersection and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary. Note 2- Road related area includes any shoulder of a road-see rule 13. Example- Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road) and the same for the right turn Got to NSW Legislation site and read it for yourself.
HI Green FYI no its all correct, you have confused it , so the quote you pasted has nothing to do with this its is only to do with where you can START a turn , its for when there is only 1 turing lane and 1 lane to turn into and its states if you read it you must stay the left SIDE of the road NOT anything to do with lanes or lane choice that's different rule , re read you quote the see link to reference page scroll down t "turning " section you will the rule s, details and images showing the rule and that as in the video when its a single turing lane you can turn into any lane left , middle , right etc and fyi these these rule are the same and correct for all of Australia , any questions let me know :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
When turning right at a traffic light, you can move to the middle of the intersection waiting for a break in traffic when it's still green. Who would be at fault, if the lights changed to amber and red and as you turn a car going through the red or amber smash into you? Of course the car that went through, but can you be charged for turning onto coming traffic as well? Greg
Hi Greg i covered this in another video see link , so the answer is to quote/paraphrase the law , " you must wait until the intersection is clear and it is safe to turn " so if the light turn yellow you need to wait for all traffic clear then turn , if a car in the other direction runs a red and hits you they are at fault only not you , but while it still yellow you need to wait if traffic has not all stopped, make sense ? :) ruclips.net/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/видео.html
@@ScottsCarcameras thanks for that information. I came close to a nasty accident when a car run the red and missed me only by a few inches. I was told I was partly at fault also. I got dashcam and it showed that the car went through the red light. Havagooday Greg
Hi , well I haven’t read back to 1986 , but for you state QLD these rules were current from at least 1995 , So can’t say if they were changed were just misunderstood;) But this is why with varying age drivers everyone need to stay update :)
@@ScottsCarcameras It amazes me that the transport department can slip advertising into the envelope with our annual registration renewal but have never included rules updates.
I know that when I'm going ahead I should have right of way instead of cars indicate right in the opposite lane. When it comes to a busy intersection, several cars on the opposite lane are turning right(which is to my left), what should I do to show that I'm intent to going straight, also which position to wait for the oncoming traffic when there's no clear markings on the road?
That first 1 is a bit weird cause the first car changed lanes halfway through the roundabout he should’ve stayed in the lane he was in but he’s correct.
These things might be legal but common sense should prevail. In my humble opinion, and in most of those scenarios, the risks outweigh the benefits. Especially driving through a service station to avoid waiting at some traffic lights for 30 seconds.
Every one of these scenarios is illegal in most parts of Canada and USA. If you're visiting check the rules for the state or province you're driving in.
Its an interesting spotlight on the differences between rules in different states. I learned to drive in Nsw and then moved to Qld where rules differ slightly. On roundabouts its the same for lane changes though while inadvisable it is technically legal provided all normal lane change rules are followed. Qld rules on straight line use of roundabouts is to not indicate when entering and to indicate left when exiting - when I learned it was to use no indication when driving through. As this was the old rule Qld police seem happy to accept either option still.. Lately though I have noticed an increase in drivers indicating right when entering and left when exiting roundabouts which is incredibly irritating as it slows traffic flow with a false signal. Dont know if this is a strange rule from interstate or just peoples ignorance 😂 For Yellow lights/ arrows it is the same though the driver can drive through the yellow if they deem that it is "unsafe" to stop before it. On the driving through service stations thing while that's technically legal again as long as normal signs rules are followed it is likely to attract you the displeasure of other road users. I'll add that in Qld the road rules do state that any traffic on the road is Not required to give way to traffic entering from a driveway or service station so any accident caused by the entering traffic puts them squarely at fault unless its an emergency vehicle. Think you could run half a video just on U Turn rules 😂 in Qld they are many and varied.
Hi Shannon to clarify for you there are very few rule differences between the states , re roundabout rule they are the same in all of Australia and have never been different , if going straight no indicator and indicate left on exit if practicable , same all states not changed , just people doing it wrong . re yellows lights in all states , yes only stop if able to safely. re the give way , that again is standard for all states vehicle the from a road related area to a road must give way , re Uturns QLD rules are the same as all other states no variations , VIC is the only place that as a variation on one rule , covered this on another vide see link :) ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.html
Hello Tom FYi NO the law is the same for VIC as NSW ands other states YES you can change lanes in a roundabout and intersection , not dangerous done million times a day as it is not illegal :) watch video in link , your welcome :) www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts
Hi Hayleigh no the point of the video was it works the opposite way to way you said , you must stop for a yellow light unless its not safe to stop as in you cant stop in time / are already to close to the line , make sense ? :)
Yes, if you haven't done it already in another video. Road rules for Australia regarding the proper use of roundabouts. It seems almost NO ONE gives way at roundabouts.
lol yes something went wrong , you remind me i had to fix something on that video and clicked on the wrong the wrong thing and cut the video down to 6 seconds :( its in the process of being fixed try back in an hour or so it should be fixed sorry :(
Drive through a service station to skip a corner - as long as you recognise that any incident is on your shoulders... this is not a designated road, and insurance, accidents will be almost inevitably your fault.
Well thing is I don't encourage doing it , but it's not skipping a corner , and as for incidents no that's no exactly right , and service station , car park , shopping centre or any complex weather is one interection corner or not , if it's a publicly accessible for traffic than the same laws and rules apply as on the public roads , So when driving through a service station for example all laws apply , so you must give way to other car, pedestrians obey speed limit etc , but for example if a car drive off from stationary position as you were driving passed and hit you , the same rules apply and they would be at fault , doesn't amtter if you were driving through as in the video . All that said , I think unless there is a good reason reason us ethe road , but this was just here to answer the question is it legal or not
richard, as long as you don't have a truck behind you or someone with a trailer, then you will be fine. Anyone driving a heavy vehicle or towing a heavy load will take at a minimum 10 times longer than your vehicle to stop. Big trucks will take 20 times longer, which is why you often see them running lights.
Regarding the roundabout...that’s what gets many people...the fact that while it’s legal...the line markings and the usual road rules apply for lane changing For exam0le, near my house is a big roundabout at a typical cross roads...two lanes each way with median strip division between directions... ...people make the turn right, and try to go immediately into the left hand lane for petrol station access...sadly they think they have the right of way to cut off the driver next to them in the left hand lane...what’s worse is that for the petrol station, 50m down the road is a cut in the median specifically marked for u-turn...which was added there when the petrol station was built... ...no one wants to drive the extra 100 metres to be courteous to other road users...often nearly causing collisions, and assaulting the victim driver by screaming “why couldn’t you be courteous and let me across”...simple...they aren’t technically obliged to...you also showed no courtesy to them, why should they to you
You can change lanes through an intersection in order to avoid a potential accident however the examples you showed are not legal lane changes, as Australian road laws clearly state you cannot change lanes through an intersection.
Hello no that’s incorrect that’s why the video is here because there are many people such as yourself that’s are under this misconception that it is illegal as you can see from the video it is legal and no , there is no Australian road laws ““ that shows it’s illegal ! each state has its own legislation for road rules and in all states except W.A. you can change lanes in an intersection section W.A. is the only state where it is illegal , If you are have a look at the legislation for each of the other stage you will find nowhere in there doesn’t state that it is illegal to change lanes in an intersection it’s the same as how you are also allowed to change lanes in around about that is another form of an intersection and that is legal too , Call but arm this is why the video is here is to help people such as yourself know the correct rules and now you do glad to help have a good day
Hi Well at the start of the video its states these rules are for NSW and if a law is applicable in all states but eg the turn laws at traffic lights that only applies to Victoria your going to teach the majority law not the single :)
At a Traffic light, when there is a round green light only (& arrow turn light is blank), i can still turn, but just have to give way as if lights weren't there.......is that right?
I have to disagree with that last part about driving through front courts and driveways like that. It is a serious hazard and dangerous to pedestrians and persons working at such venues. It got that bad that I couldn't reverse a car out of a workshop without nearly getting collect by the traffic running though to evade the lights.
This just doesn’t make sense to me and I’m from Australia..... People!!!! Don’t change lanes in an intersection....u can just before one... People!!! Don’t change lanes in a roundabout...unless there is an abstraction....then safely avoid it..... By stopping,check blind spot move around toward the left....as to not congest traffic further in that inside lane.... SIMPLE.
Number #2 - Stopping on a Yellow. Now, it states you must stop "if it's safe to do so". Obviously there's variables that come into play as to whether a driver or vehicle can safely stop, but in the event that a police pulls you over, who determines whether it was safe or not? It's the drivers responsibility / decision, yes ?
yes but if you are seen by police they deem you could have stopped safety then you get a ticket if you dispute it then you go to court and the judge reviews the video and makes the decision :)
yes there is a vol 2 available if you haven't watched it and my driver education series , and im working on vol 3 with 5 more rules it will be out very soon :)
HI the rule has not changed there has never been a time requirement on indicating for a lane change , however if teh runabout id very small you may not have enough time signal a lane change so doing one is not safe or practical and unable due to traffic in the roundabout so you wont not do it :)
I remember when I was learning to drive my instructor told me that while it's legal, it's best not to change lanes on a roundabout as it can be confusing for other drivers
sometimes I have to change lanes in a roundabout otherwise i cant get to maccas
true , it is uncommon and in alot of cases impractical to change lane sin a roundabout , but for this video its more address the issue of if its legal , not often you will need to do it (legally anyway )
Then GET in to the correct lane BEFORE entering!
that is true - but the traffic entering has to give way cause im in the roundabout anyway - from a 2 lane roundabout into a one lane exit that is like a dogs leg
the instance where you would have to indicate changing lanes is where two lanes enter into a round about from one direction but is single lane from the other. many driver believe they can enter from the inside lane to the outside without indicating.
As a Brit watching this I always assumed you were given a Mad Max DVD and say "Go for it mate" for your driving test.
not far off :)
Pretty much how it works here. Australia has a Formula 1 driver who just visited Australia and bagged us as drivers. What would he know? ;-)
was it the stig?
Peter Brock, the famous Australian racing driver once said, people aren't taught to drive, they are taught to pass their test.
I'm not a racing driver, but I fully agree.
We actually hop around on Kangaroos drinking cans of VB
as a motorcycle instructor once told me: it doesn’t matter who’s in the right if you’re dead. If you survive long enough following the “road rules” to notice which ones most often cause near misses, just stop doing them (and start watching out for when other drivers do them and avoid them too)
Ýes no point having the high moral ground if you are 6 feet under it.
@@LandyVlad_Rides Well said 😀
@@germanshepherdlover2613 always been a favourite saying of mine. That and the secret to life is "Don't be a dick".
It's been in folklore for the better part of a century. The saying, passed down to me from my father, is:
"He was right, dead right, as he sped along, but he's just as dead as if he were wrong."
I was always taught to avoid changing lanes within an intersection where possible though as it’s the safest option
@ 2:17, it's okay to turn left into either lane yes, but not okay to drive down the middle using both lanes for 100m till you decide which lane you want.
Yes that correct , it's comes under rule 146 www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2014104/s146.html
Hi Andrew re he rules , no , re the two system there would be no traffic coming from the right as they have to stop and give way to traffic turn left, and No the rule for turning into any lane is the same in all states sin Australia , a urban myth or Chinese wispier thing that some people thing you have to go the inner ?left lane :)
@@ScottsCarcameras there is a difference which may only apply in Victoria. If the road is marked with broken lines that specify the turn (hard to explain) then you must stay in that lane during the turn. (rules 29 and 33)
Not in Victoria thank goodness!
@@jliquorish unless ther are marked lanes then it does.
The changing lanes while turning scenario is one manoeuvre that we were told not to do by driving instructors on an advanced driving course. I guess what's legal, and what's best practice are sometimes two different things.
Like cutting an intersection by driving thru a servo. It may not be illegal, but it's a dick move.
@@bencodykirk I've done it but only because the lights only allwoed three cars through at a time and I'd been in the line for four changes of lights. While I would have got through on the fifth i wanted the person behind me turning right to be able to make it. They have thankfully adjusted the light sequence now.
Going through a service station to bypass traffic lights might be legal, but it’s a bit of a dick move. Usually because the people who do it drive flat out through the service station forecourt so they can beat everyone else.
I’d rather we had more intersections in this country where you can turn left in red. They’re becoming more rare every year
Known as doing a 'rat run' for a reason.
Left turn on red after stopping and yielding is a great thing !
Agree there should be more of this, if done right it saves a lot of hold ups, improves traffic flow, but if done like the yanks often do it, well . . . it's then a sh!tfest of accidents.
Only arseholes use fuel stations as an alternate route unless they actually buy something.
So instead of sitting at a red light , everyone can just drive through a servo 🤦
Another one not legal in Victoria!
No same law in all of Aus
In small outback towns, it's mandatory for cars with brakes to giveway.
Theory test's should be retaken every few years as mandatory.
Round about rule is stupid. If youre indicating in a round about, other drivers will think youre turning.
That is why the law is to give way to all traffic on roundabout
If you are changing lanes, the indicate and check that the lane is clear. No difference for a roundabout or a regular stretch of road.
gorillaau Agreed though I can just imagine people stopping on the roundabout to wait for the lane to clear lol
@@StraightNoChaser86 Unfortunately in Poland it tents to be normal... A lot of people find themselves in the wrong lane on the roundabouts and the create traffic jams because they wait for people from other lane to let him through
if you're going straight ahead anyway, might as well just change lanes when you have exited the roundabout. Same with traffic light intersections. Rules are one thing, common sense another.
They are legal, but better to avoid some of them like driving through the petrol station or changing lines in an intersection! :)
Police are not reliable to ask , they dont make law and are not lawyers most are not very smart :(
@@ScottsCarcameras I am a little worried about going through a petrol station to cut traffic because this video was about like 3 years old. Is it still legal to drive through a petrol station without stopping for anything?
Scotts Car Cameras - if you had to successfully complete the entrance exam in the last two decades, you’d agree an above average degree of intelligence is required for the job.
TheCaryly - yeah don’t do that.
@@chrisfi3d Not since they lowered the standards , they are basically daycare workers now
first, thank you for #4. I always turned into the lane I needed to be in when I need to turn next but my Australian wife told me I need to turn into the inner lane. I'm not from Australia so I did it like I learned it where I am from.
second, even if it might not be a traffic violation to go across a petrol station I would consider it bad manners. A petrol station is private property after all and the owner or proprietor might not be too happy with drivers using the petrol station as a short cut.
Yes, I agree. There's legality and there's manners / not being a douche. There are a lot of things that are legal that really shouldn't be done in a civilised society. Sure, you can't get arrested or fined for them but it doesn't mean it's good practice.
And treating a petrol station as though it is a road is about the most dangerous thing you could possibly do.
@@stephenwalczak3166 that’s what I thought.
Bypassing a traffic intersection by driving through a servo is indeed illegal, every state i believe.
Common road habits in Australia:
1: Sitting in the right hand lane on a freeway at 110 kph despite there being no traffic in the left lane.
2: Merging immediately from a side road into the right hand lane on a freeway and only doing 100kph for the next 4 KM before looking in mirror at queue behind you.
3: Pulling your truck into the right hand lane and doing 80KPH uphill overtaking another truck doing 79.8KPH and gradually slowing to 60kph near the crest of the hill, when you pull in behind the truck you failed to overtake.
4: Mirrors what are they for? Identifying the driver you slowly pulled out in front of and giving him the finger.
5: Sitting in the right hand lane at Canberra because you need to turn right somewhere in Sydney and you want to be ready for it.
Drive through a privately owned servo here in Adelaide to avoid traffic lights and you will get your teeth kicked in by the owners of the servo.
well doesn't sound very pleasant , the owner must be fast to catch you in moving vehicle ?
A servo owner here in QLD put a stop to it.
It was right near a primary school, and the kids often stopped there for drinks/snacks.
New chain across the "exit" people used to use.
It had a couple nice big "no exit" signs attached.
The first time a local ran into it, he had them charged with damaging his property and trespass, since they had no reason to be on his premises.
The kids felt a bit safer as well.
Brenda Fuller Good move by the servo owner. Made me smile, thanks.
“Road Rules Understood By Australians”....ERROR 404: Not Found 😂
5, 3, and 1 I had no clue were legal.
Although, changing lanes on a roundabout should be illegal because indicating can confuse other drivers as there are two options for intentions, as well as spacial awareness being compomised due to different rear mirror viewing angles and cars frequently entering and exiting.
Changing lanes in an intersection should mostly be fine, although they are more dangerous areas where the driver should be paying full attention to cars that might enter unexpectedly.
And increased traffic through a service station that isn't intended to be used as a thoroughfare would heighten the risk of accidents.
Might be legal to go through a petrol station in some states, but it's really not a good idea to encourage it.
Here's a suggestion for another video. Normal residential single-lane streets that intersect with a main road. When exiting the residential street you could go left or right. Turning left means waiting for traffic from a single direction, while turning right means having to wait for both lanes. Thus turning right normally takes longer. Although there are no lines painted on the road, often roads have enough space for other cars to turn left, instead of waiting for the car in front to eventually turn right. My ex was in this common situation. A large truck was waiting to turn right into the main road. She carefully pulled up on the left and was waiting to go, when suddenly the truck driver decided he'd had enough of waiting, and decided to turn left, crunching her car in the process, since he didn't see it down there. The insurance company found her at fault because she should have waited for the truck to turn, and there were no lines on the road to legally create the space for her to turn from. I don't think anyone would wait for right-turning cars, and if there were space they'd just go for it and turn left.
hi I have done a video on a similar set up but it’s when there are two lanes on the road with no arrows not when it’s a single lane obviously when it is a single lane as you stated if there’s enough room you need to if you’re turning left or right you need to go as far to the left or right of robe as possible to allow others to turn at the same time without getting more details of your exes accident I can only assume that the truck driver probably said that he was indicating left the whole time and taking up it was on the right side of the road because he needed the space and given the large trucks have the do not overtake turning vehicle sign they would’ve found her at fault that if she had a dash camera to show he was Indicating right to start with the change he would’ve been found a fault as no camera it’s her word against his
Whoa thanks for the heads up!
Road rules are great for everyone to have a common understanding - like the speed limits on the open road, but the *real* requirement is for drivers to be well trained & tested, cars to be well maintained - and to *drive for the circumstances/situation*. - a problem for a significant percentage of *licenced* drivers!
on number two, the important bit is if "the driver can stop safely" ... had an L plater lock up in front of me on a yellow...
yes , the point in the video is to explain to those who dont know that you are legally required to stop for a yellow , BUT avoiding a crash is always an exception to rules , its never a good idea to slam your brakes on to stop for a yellow , its always only if you can stop safely , but to those who see the yellow and hit the accelerator to get through before the light goes red , thats a no and the same fine a running the red
But was this ~still safe~ when the timing of the lights being changed in each direction is still VERY HIGH safety margin? Sometimes 3 seconds~
dmyl004 no, 70k zone, about 75m out from lights, L plater over compensated..
EDIT: to be clear, there was ample time to stop normally, it wasn't like there was 20m between the lights and him/her, but still scared the shit out of me ... 3 second rule saved by car
@@-Yogo depends on what the speed you are at. Fines are not only if you don't stop on a hard stop but the yellow light fines are if you had plenty of time to stop but chose to hit the accelerator instead
If you had run into them, you would be at fault. The safe to do so applies to the driver, not anyone behind.
I disagree with driving through a petrol station, where there are patrons walking to and from the pumps.
You can’t disagree with a fact
with #4 i was taught that you turn right into right hand lane, turn left into left hand lane THEN indicate to change lanes
Yes and thats the problem , so many people think thats how its works and create accident and road rage , example you turn right into a 3 lane road and want to then turn left , so you go into the far right lane and the then indicate to go to change lanes twice , meanwhile the car behind goes straight into the far left lane and now your about to crash into them as there besides you , another issue is when driver think traffic in both directions you can turn left and and right at the same time ( as they think everyone must same in the elf tor right lane) and those turning right dont give way and a crash or near miss causes aggression happens , thats why all drivers need to know the correct road rules , take care :)
Yep, that's how it is here in Canada, too. Whether you are turning right or left you turn into the nearest lane and then merge over. That way two cars can turn onto the same street at the same time. You can also get a ticket for an improper turn if you turn into the far lane.
If you are right and this is allowed then it shouldn't be! This is a really stupid rule and is as illogical as it is dangerous. Turning left you should turn into the left most lane and if turning right, into the right most lane. It's the drivers that cross lanes often indicating one direction while changing lanes in the other direction that make it dangerous! It hinders traffic flow by preventing two drivers turning left and right at the same time. It's dangerous because you can have the driver behind you change lanes to the left while turning right and passing you on the left!
If you look at the road from above you will see that turning left does feed into the left-hand lane and the same for turning right. You need to change your line mid corner to go into the outer lane.
As for changing lanes in a roundabout... Geez, a good percentage of drivers don't know how to indicate correctly let alone change lanes safely as well. Shouldn't be allowed and the roads should be designed to not allow it.
I'll repeat what a few other people have commented. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you should ever do it!
You guys miss the point. If it's one lane turning into multiple lanes then they can pick any lane. If it's two or more lanes turning into multiple lanes then there are almost always dotted lines marking the lanes you can turn into. It's so simple if people actually pay attention to the markings and use common sense.
Andrew Holmes It's actually quite straightforward in Australia but some people just don't seem to graspnthe concept. Just follow the lane markings and there should be no problems. Also it's so hard to describe all this without showing it, which causes more confusion.
At approx 2mins 19seconds into this when the two cars turned left into the Airport/ Eastern suburbs road and could go into either lane, the black SUV in front straddled both lanes after turning for a distance which is actually a fine and loss of points, so hardly "right" oh his part.
Would rather have you speak in these type of videos
Over use of blinkers whilst travelling through a roundabout. This one does my head in
why? a roundabout is no different to a cross or T intersection, except it has a hump in the middle.
I AM SHOCKED at NUMBER 4. At 1:35 the first blue car should go into the closest lane then indicate if entering the right lane. The second blue car should go into the closest (R) lane. Because otherwise a car turning into there from top of picture can collide ! This seems crazy to me. Has the road rule changed? I bang on about people crossing lanes like this. And I've been in near misses recently because of this. How can you have people just picking any lane they feel like without indicating while others are entering those same lanes from elsewhere? If I'm wrong about this rule I have to find out more.
No the rule has never changed it always been
like but the reason videos like this exist is because many people like yourself either were taught incorrectly or just got confused, and No it’s not crazy they can not collide as the car Turing right can not turn at the same time they must wait and give way and turn only when clear , covered this in another video :) ruclips.net/video/0ZDIEDzHQdI/видео.html
@@ScottsCarcameras ruclips.net/video/0iwk9LYdS_w/видео.html This video, although from NZ, shows what I mean. Now I need to know if it differs between states. My friend was pulled over in Canberra by an off duty policeman for crossing lanes while turning. I was in the car and I "knew" or thought my friend was wrong to do so. So there's a policeman agreeing with me.
So far this is what I find. Official road rules are showing that you can pick which lane to turn into from a single lane. Incredible! This is important stuff here. I was taught the nearest lane rule, other videos show it, and I met one police officer who thought so too. And yet apparently it is wrong. This means I must give way when turning right into the multi-lane. (Which I have only done by being cautious of people I thought were breaking the rule.) And that is the big takeaway. MIND BLOWN
Hi so yes a video from New Zealand is not relevant as different countries have different rules they do it differently in America like they have different rules in the UK or USA has no bearing on Australia so they just remove that from the equation no this does not differ from any states this is an Australia wide rule it is the way it works in every state and always has your friend in Canberra was not pulled over for doing the example in the video if they were pulled over for something it would have been for a different offense possibly disobeying a sign saying you must stay in a certain lane crossing an unbroken line or perhaps it was a multi lane turning lanes and he changed lanes without indicating in the example in the videos there is no rule so the policeman did not pull them over for that
Hi well you where you say so far you can stop now because you don't need to go any further I've already done the research when I've made these videos that's and this has already stuff that was taught when you get your drivers license if you were taught then nearest lane then whoever taught you was a bad teacher there is no videos in Australia that show this because that's not how it works in this country and the police offer you you met was either a moron which most are or he didn't understand the question you're asking yes you must give way when turning right at all times you cannot turn at the same time as other traffic so yes you've been doing it wrong the entire time as I've as do many people hence why I've made videos like this to try and help people get it right and reduce accidents and road rage :)
I'm shortly emigrating to QLD from the UK. I find it astonishing that you can turn onto a three lane carriageway into any lane you feel like. If you were seen by the police doing that in the UK you'd get pulled over and ticketed without doubt. It's always, always been you occupy the leftmost lane available at ALL times, I'm amazed that there aren't constant collisions, especially on roundabouts, with the seeming lack of lane discipline.
Michael well welcome to Australia unfortunately to help for when you get here we don’t have to caraways we call them roads :-) yes some people seem shocked at turning into lanes other than the nearest but that's actually a waste of time and it actually safer to turn into the lane you want then to turn into the nearest lane and then you have to change lanes later your double handling , so if you want to go to the third lane because you want to turn right go hundred metres why I get to the left lane and have to then make two lane changes while vehicle behind the same thing at different speed and increase teh chance of a crash , you turn directly to the way you want so I always find it strange what other people do seem to think it’s a bad idea I think it’s more the fact that they were taught to do it rather than what you don’t actually agree with it you juts find it for going , example people who use 4 way stop sign systems going to roundabouts , re constant collisions there can’t be a collision in this example because there are no cars to crash into as it’s a single turning lane there’s no one else around you therefore there’s no one else for you to collide with .
I’m not sure what you mean about in reference to roundabouts having to do with this initial question ? :)
I am a driving instructor. Thanks for the video. But it is illegal to pass the petrol station to avoid the red light or avoid traffic because you are illegally to use the foot path. You'll be fined and loss points in NSW, Victoria and west Australia., so Don't do that.
Hi well I hope your nit charging people money :( lol No that’s incorrect , hard to understand your broken English not there is no such as “ you are illegally to use foot path “ not sure what you meant to say , but you obviously drive over the footpath to enter and exit a petrol station to stop and get fuel , so not different here and this is no fine or points for it ! please re read the rules you instruct any one else :)
Thanks for your quick response. According to Australia Road Rule 288 Driving on a path. A driver must not drive on a path unless certain conditions. I don’t think passing the petrol statioin ( in NSW) to avoid traffic light or traffic jam is legal. Also, when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal and will be fined. I am not going to challenge you, but just try to find out the fact.
Hi No i have covered this already in other comments an video's rule 228 means you cant use a footpath as lane tor drive down the road , you can obviously drive over a path to enter a driveway to your home or car park or business . this is obviously done a million time a day by drivers as that how it is meant to be done ! that's why if you actually read and under the rule is states you can driver over a path " b) driving on the path to enter or leave, by the shortest practicable route, a road-related area or adjacent land" which is what the law defines a petrol station , read related area , you this no law against driving into a petrol stain for obviously reasons , so the law doesn't care why you went in there if you stop for petrol or not , if you drove in there can found its closed and keep driving you not breaking the law , so No its not illegal's to drive through any road related area , if there a a MacDonald's or shopping center park and drive through it exit same thing no law broken and no fine , there is no such thing as :when you search in the internet, you’ll see that it’s illegal " if you know rule 228 you know the legislation that the law and its shows no it legal and no fine ! there is no challenge as im not making option i just showing the correct facts . :)
I’m very concerned that someone who says their a driving instructor doesn’t know this rule. Correctly , if you don’t know the rules and your teaching others then this is the problem a why bad drivers exist
As I can it now, someone is turning right at a roundabout and you are in the left lane (Straight through and right arrow) and you in the roundabout decided to change lanes, because you needed to go back to where you came from.
Not sure what your asking ?
Why do so many drivers fail to change the blinker from right to left when leaving the roundabout. Pedestrians hate trying to cross at roundabouts because they can’t tell what the traffic is doing
Wenlocktvdx the term lazy springs to mind
I dont know either really annoying.
its hard to do with certain cars i.e. 2005 - 2015 BMWs or Teslas because they have a stupid stalk behaviour which makes it hard to engage th blinker of the opposide side.
oh no i'll get the pedestrians a fucking waaahhmbulance....
@@kingprone7846 both of which are likely automatics? Somehow I manage just fine changing gear with left hand, clutch with left foot, alternate brake and throttle with right foot, steer and indicate out of roundabout with right hand...
Glad you put out this video, cos I had been thinking of doing it..... we need this to go viral, but then again, drivers these days just don't care about the rules even if they take the time to learn them.With your incorrect example of lane changing within a round about, the car not only changes lane without indicating, however also crosses an unbroken line. road markings within roundabouts must also be obeyed.
Hi mate , thanks for watching the video m FYI the roundabout fail you mentioned , actually they were not unbroken lines , most rouandbouts have longer broken lane lines on the bend especially to help guide the traffic , you will note the lines are not continuous / unbroken for the whole length of the roundabout and even in the correct example and diagrams show similar lines , if a roundabout does have a continuous line will be for the whole way and usually done if there are two lines/ lanes of traffic but are going in different directions eg left lane only turn left , and usually will have painted arrows on the road , does that make sense ? Have a good one
Your videos are ideal to show my brother who is coming over from the UK soon and plans to do a bit of touring thanks for posting.
Thanks , yes have you seen the other education vids i have ? get him to what the one on undertaking the uk drivers love that :)
Scott, what I would really like to see you do is the full roundabout set of rules especially right of way requirements. I watch too many examples of motorists blowing up about heavy vehicles already in the roundabout. I am a former NSW driver examiner and would love to see people be made aware of these rules.
Hi i actual here done a full one and did roundabout rules in the vol 2 and 3 see links :)
ruclips.net/video/MGQLghn5FlY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/wMoSLKzsr-g/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.html
I'm from the States and I'm scare to death to drive in Sydney, the roads are narrower, filled with potholes, missing signs and crooked asphalts. And drivers are very aggresive, specially the cab drivers.
I maintain double lane roundabouts are dangerous. Because if turning right you must cross the outside ring to exit. I still despise them. Plus most are too small to change lanes on.
You are right about the Amber light, no such thing as a Yellow light. You get a green tick. Great work, Cheers
Hi Actually it is Yellow , the first reference had amber in bracket as some think it is to not confuse but the legal required colour is Yellow see the next slide with the legislation shows yellow and the Australian standard DOC for roads that deinmiend all device ie sign size , lane wide , fonts etc states they must be Yellow :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In Queensland the term yellow for an Amber light is slowly being used for people who don't know their ABC of colours. The turn amber light or yellow light appear on one or other Government web page. Twenty years ago it was amber light Australia wide. If beer is any guide the turm amber ale is used, yellow beer is something else. Cheers
Thank for uploading those picture it was helping me learning a lot where the road rules are about :) Thanks Scott
you are welcome , helping people learn the right rules is what i make these for :)
the left lane is for when u want to turn left or go straight in a roundabout thnx
No always depends on what the setup of the roundabout is . How many lanes , exits etc
in melbourne and that usually you cant change lanes at the lights only mid intersection onwards
I think some of these rules only apply in NSW.
Amber light means STOP if you can SAFELY.
Lane change when turning at intersection. Not sure but in VIC you must follow the lane your in, as in, turning from outside lane into outside lane not changing to inside lane.
You should turn into the lane THEN change lanes.
Changing lanes in a roundabout, NO, complete your roundabout trip then change lanes. Doing a lane change in the roundabout is dangerous and could confuse other drivers.
But as I said these rules you have highlighted may not apply in other states.
Hi Fred acutally NO all those rules you mentioned are the same in VIC and all states , unfortunately it’s a misconception many have I’m trying to help educate on , with that in mind how did you come to think all these things ?
HI Fred now i have more time i can reply in more detail , so as i said No there rules are the same in Vic
1. its a yellow light :) and yes same law in Nsw and vic (all states ) as said in video you MUST stop if you can stop safely before reaching the stop line law 57
2.NO in Vic same when turning at an intersection with only one turning lane you can turn into any lane ,
3.YES you can change lanes in a roundabout as long as you obey all other rules ,
see links :)
www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts
classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s117.html
classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_reg/rsrr2017208/s57.html
would love for you to reply so i can discuss with you where you got the incorrect information from helps me with promoting the rules and educating Thanks
Fred Nutz you know if I had dollar for every time I had someone say , oh no it’s different in Victoria I would retired , I don’t why it is that think the rules are different in VIC when they clearly aren’t , very poor driver education and training in there , must poor drive schools , government body not teaching , maybe it’s the idiotically thinking of many of the population in that state , :(. Glad I don’t live there the new Mexico
In VIC, it's the law to indicate right when entering a roundabout, and indicate left when leaving, but no one does it like that. They simply indicate left or right if that's where they're going, or they don't indicate if they're going straight. It's not legal to do it that way, but it's what everyone's used to, and it would be unsafe to do it differently. Driving instructors and Vicroads license testers even expect you to do it the "wrong" way.
Hi Thanks for your comment , to correct ti No that's not how the laws work in VIC , the rules for roundabouts are the same in all of Australia and teh same as in this video , you do not indicate right if going straight , if going straight you don't indicate ( left on exit is practical ) and ONLY indicate right if turning right , the idea to indicate if going straight is a myth and teh reason i made videos like this , i always ask people who comment here , where did you get this misinformation from ? :)
@@ScottsCarcameras It was from Stay Upright motorcycle training in Braeside.
That's terrible that an instructor is giving out this misinformation , ive done the same training course and if they telling riders that is should be reported, always do your own research :) take care
The final one isn't correct. You're not allowed to as doing this will increase the probability of hitting a pedestrian.
Agree. It seems super risky, and as it is private property you are entering I think the law should require drivers to stay on the roadway and obey the signals. Likewise there are private dwellings on corners with driveways providing through access. Hard to believe the law is ok with you cutting through the property to avoid a red light!
Hi FYI no all is correct these are not opinions just copy paste of fact/law there is not such thing as "not allowed to as doing this will increase the probability of hitting a pedestrian" there is no law against driving in a road related area :)
Hi FYI its no classed a s private property is public access and open to public and the road laws sapply is sped dlimit s, stop signs , this is classed a sroad relate darea dn doesn't matter if its petrol station , car park etc all the same, and same if you take the red light was an dhave a stop sign intersection or roundabout same situation same laws :)
You can't indicate for a turn and a lane change at the same time. That said, my driving instructor (Victoria, 38 years ago) was quite voiciferous about it being illegal to change lanes through a turn at an intersection. It's interesting to see the opinion that it's not illegal in NSW provided you're entering via single lane access. I'll have to double check here in Victoria. It's one of those unspoken things like cutting through a servo to evade traffic lights which I used to do a lot when driving small, manoeuvrable vehicles.
Hi Mark a few things to unpack here you can indicate to change lanes while making a turn.Yeah you’re driving instructor was probably not up-to-date back then it’s been legal to change lanes in an intersection in Victoria and all states in Australia except W.A. for over 60 years
But this is changing lanes while going through intersection is not to be confused with turning at intersection
So were you reference single lane Access to clarified this if you’re turning right or left from a single turning lane into a multiple lane road you can go into any lane you wish you’re not making a lane change you’re simply turning into a chosen lane
If there are example 2 lanes turning right into a two lane road then it will designate which lane you have to turn into. Your new must follow that however unless there are unbroken lines or signs or something telling you you cannot you would be legally allowed to change lanes while making that turn for example you could be in the far right lane and while making the change the outer lane this would require bay all of the road rules i.e. if there are cars next to you you would have to give Wayne wouldn’t be able to make the lane
@@ScottsCarcameras Thanks for confirming that the extra caution I've taken with this over the years hasn't been in vain.
I remember at intersections car turning right across intersection had right of way over car turning left into same lane (Victoria Traffic lights). Then they changed it to car turning left had right of way over car turning right so many more cars were banked up in intersection waiting for left turning cars opposite to clear.
Note rule 57(1)(c) which says if you can't stop before the line but cna stop before entering the intersectiomn then you need to stop before the intersection. People often think the first solid line is the only point to stop.
Through petrol station is illegal in victoria, except you stopped for shopping or oil filling
Hi FYI no myth , same law Australia wide all class as road related area , any public thoroughfare is allowed to be driven through
Do the same for Western Australia jeez I live here from UK originally theses people don't know how to use roundabouts properly or merge properly onto a motorway etc
They're ALL misunderstood or not understood at all! LOL!
Can you please make a video about the approaching technique to a red/ speed camera without the guessing methods usually drivers fall into it?
Seriously? There are 6 states and 2 territories in Australia all with different road rules. I suggest you change the title to "5 Misunderstood Road Rules in NSW".
Yes , so fyi the road rules for all of Australia as mostly the same in all states only a few road rules have so variation and change usually just in one state so the title and rules are valid and to show the rules in this video are all the same in all states , the only exception is the rule for changing lanes in an intersection its not legal in only WA unless there is an obstruction . everything else is the correct rule for all states :)
Wouldn’t the requirement to drive to the left mean that you would be making these manouvers in the left lane as much as is practicable?
In Victoria there is a requirement to “drive in a manner to avoid a collision” which is as clear as mud that would mean changing lanes in a roundabout would land you in hot water. Also, both of my instructors and the Victorian L plate book stated that you must complete the manouver in the same lane as you started. I don’t have a licence and declined to renew my learners in 94 as driving was just not my thing. Not easy living without a car but can be done
Hi , you comment is a little unclear and incorrect in parts i will do my best to guess what you mean and explain , the first part re drive in left lane not sure if you are referring to using roundabout or intersection , but "drive to the left " doesn't mean anything with lanes or turning if you could elaborate i can explain more . re lane change in roundabout NO you can change lanes in a roundabout " drive in a manner to avoid collision" is a given but as long as you obey all other rules you can change lanes no issue. and re the driving instructors or book you may have misunderstood or the may have given incorrect info , drivers handbook for VIC s doesn't say that , but if you did your tests before 94 they may have amended it in VIC to be inline with national rules . if you need any more info let me know :)
I have always understood that driving through the servo is trespass. Not covered by road rules, true, but still illegal.
Hi Robert FYI no trespass not applicable as it a public accessible area and public thoroughfare , same as shopping centre carpark , mcdonalds drive thru , trespass is only valid is a law is broken and still a civil matter so not illegal , plus the road rules do apply to any public access area is defined as a "road related Area" so speed limit , give ways signs , all apply that why they just had to change the law on using phones while driving to make it not illegal to tap for paym,net via a phone at drive through stores :)
Thanks for this information and this video
The Amber light on your car is an indicator not a postscript..
Thanks I just failed because of the round about signalling u teached
taught
@@laurenskee88 failed English too 😄
There are a couple of corners where I cut through a servo quite regularly, always thought I was in the wrong now I can do it without feeling guilty.
It might not be illegal, but it should be.
I thought Australian road rules were; Biggest car has right of way on a roundabout.
The thing that bugs me though is the people that are going straight through a roundabout but indicate left, right, left. And leave everyone else wondering where they are going.
This is how my driving instructor taught students to indicate when using a roundabout, way back in 1996 (QLD).
thats why i just never indicate on roundabouts 👍
When you turn left then stick to the left lane. When you turn right stick to the right lane. So that there is less chance of a bingle.
Hi Steve no that's the exact point of the video is you don't do that . you will want to go into different lanes depending on where you want to go , it turn right or left directly after , there is no chance of a "bingle " as there will be no one near you as other car have to give way and wait :)
The last one is interesting. Where I live (in the States), it's 100% illegal to do that whether one is crossing public or private property. It's considered evasion of traffic control, and though it doesn't happen often around me, I have seen it enforced once.
Yeah I complete see how is would be illegal in concept , but impractical to police as , say I drove into a "Gas Station " and realised I left my wallet at home , and so I can't stop for gas and drive out to go around the block to go home and get my wallet and come back , prove that's not the case , or how long do you have to stop for , drive in wait 30 seconds and then go , are you still evading traffic control ? , I know it's a stupid non inportant thing , I just find it funny how you can't technically say you are doing something wrong , have a good one ,
Well, in the case I witnessed it was actually the lot of a restaurant. The lot is very narrow, and collisions of any variety wouldn't require much effort; at best, people who were patronizing the restaurant would be completely prevented from leaving their parking spaces if the lot were constantly used to avoid the stoplight. So when that particular driver pulled in and never touched the brakes or swerved as though to park, what was going on was pretty obvious and the cop went right after. But the uncertainty you mention is no doubt why that's the only instance I've seen-I doubt too many people who cruise through a service station to avoid a light actually get caught.
Thanks mate
I feel like #3 is just for me after our conversation last month ;) I feel very educated!
LOL your not privileged ;) , that rule has been one that gets lots of comments and has been on my list to cover for a while , have a good one
It was illegal to drive through fuel stations in Victoria at one stage but I think it was changed when they unified a lot of rules nationally.
Driving directly through a service station to achieve a short cut is an offence in NSW. It is termed "drive on or over footpath", by the police, and results in 3 demerit points and a fine of $349. You are allowed to drive over a footpath only to gain lawful access to a property or in response to an emergency. Gaining a shortcut does not count. The danger of this manoeuvre to pedestrians is pretty obvious.
Do not take advice on road rules from lay u-tube videos.
Hello John FYI no it is not hence the video which not a Lay u , it's a properly researched and backed How to on the law . re the rule your semi quoted no that's not what that rule means for applies to , as there is a driveway to a publicly accessible area you can drive over the footpath via that driveway , the rule you refer to would be if you drove into there via a different route ie over a footpath through garden bed etc , this example is not just for service stations but any road related area , ie car park , shopping centre , food drive through etc this is why video sliek this a needed as people like you are confused on these rules but great now the correct information is being researched, if you have any other questions let me know :)
Think you find that's a myth but if you a source reference please share :)
@@ScottsCarcameras In the US they term it avoiding a traffic control signal.
@@ScottsCarcameras I cannot see that a "reference" is needed. It is road rule 288, as I would expect you know, and searching on that number under demerit point offences on the R&M website shows the fine and demerits. No one appeals these, so you will not find District Court cases.
My driving instructor said that you can’t change lanes in an intersection until you’ve hit the dotted line 🤔 when it comes to getting your P’s, you can lose points while testing for your license.
Hi , well your driving instructors doing a very bad job and you should fire them and get a new one :) yes you can change lanes no you can’t be penalised when you haven’t broken a rule ! What state are you from ?
Scotts Car Cameras I’m from Victoria
Scotts Car Cameras it’s not just my instructor, have you seen “Driving Test” on the TV? When a person is going for their P’s, and they cross the intersection, they lose points and it can sometimes cost them!
Well In that case yes you can change lanes if you obey all other rules eg indicate, give way etc and there are no signs or lane markings saying you can’t , maybe your instructor means something different, are you still getting lessons from them ? If so ask them about it and if they still say you can at all , ask what rule number that is :)
Let know how you go :)
Scotts Car Cameras Nah, I’m still learning but I’m getting the same instructor again when I’m going for my P’s :)
It is a dangerous practice short cutting through service stations. It shows idisrespect to pedestrians and impatience. Nothing is so important that you need to save 2 seconds and risk a life.
Yes point wasn’t was it right or wrong but legal or not
@@ScottsCarcameras you can cut through a petrol station or parking lot but not private property to avoid a red light
@@ScottsCarcameras then the point is, if it's 'legal' then there will be plenty of self-centred arseholes that will do it .. just because they can .. and it's their 'right'!!😠
@@TheCKLTHOMAS Petrol stations and parking lots ARE private property!!!!
RE point 4: "depending on setup" is key. Many have a dashed line
yes some do , but most single lane setups dont , its usally only if there is two or more lanes turning , or a uncommon intersection, law is no matter what the road rules are , lane markings or signs are ultimate rule to follow
When turning from a single lane to a multi lane road, it is prudence to stay to the nearest lane to which you have turned. If you turn from a side street into a 3 lane road, and go straight to the right hand lane, you have changed lanes. Have you indicated that you are diverging right??? Could you be written up for an offence? As, when people are diverging right, they still have the left hand blinker on, and vice versa.
The other point to look at is courtesy on the road. By staying in the nearest lane from where you have turned, this should, in theory, allow other oncoming vehicles to go into the other lane, thereby improving traffic flow, and reducing travelling times. So, feeding from a single lane cross road into a 2 or more laned road, traffic turning left should go to the left most lane, and change lanes when safe to do so, and right turning traffic should go to the right most lane, and chanbe lanes when it is safe to do so. The only exception to this thinking is a long vehicle making a turn. They are generally too long to keep to the one lane, so they have to use the next lane over to get the back of the vehicle around the corner without cutting the corner, but, they should aim to finish up in the lanes as was described above.
Hi FYI NO thats was all incorrect the law literally states you can turn into any and you are not changing lanes while turning as there is only one lane the one you are turning from the point made in the video and shown so NO so there is no offence you can be written up for and its good driving practice to do this as it reduces lane changes later which can impede traffic flow and traffic from other directions plus cut off drive behind you that are going straight into the other lane , also if its short distance there is no time change lanes , thats why the rule exists :) have a nice weekend
Thank you dear teacher
You didn't mention the fact, that if you are a 130013's (or BOOB's) taxi, you can do what the 'F' you like! 😂
The turning into any lane thing is only legal when there's only one turning lane in the road from which you turned. If there are multiple turning lanes, you MUST turn into the corresponding lane in the road you are entering.
It would be nice if this was mentioned so people don't assume it is with all turning manouvres.
It was mentioned Grae at 1:25 :)
@@ScottsCarcameras There is no mention of multi left turn lanes.
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As in the video didn't cover the rules for turning when there are more than one turning lane ? yeh that's a whole different law and setup and would need a full section done on it and didnt want to mix /confuse that with this rule in the one video but if you interested this link will help :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
@@ScottsCarcameras yeah, that's what I asked about. I think it best to clarify this, even by just saying "this applies only with one turning lane, for multiple turning lanes see an upcoming video or consult the rms" or something to that effect.
Otherwise people will assume (if they only watch the one video) that the rule you were talking about applies to all left turns into mulit-lane roads.
I've had SO many near sideswipes etc from idiots not following the law when turning from a road with multiple turning lanes.
You can clairify this without having to confuse and blur it, or talk of more than one rule at a time.
Otherwise, your videos are pretty bloody good.
I learnt to drive in NSW and the rule for Number 3 was you can't change lanes within 30 metres of an intersection. Given you are providing a different answer, I assume that rule has changed since the early 90's?
Hi No law hasn't changed , ( at least since 1969 when i reached for these , that when the modern road rules act wa made) , heard that few times, best guess why is maybe confused when there are unbroken lines prior to the intersections and you can change lanes there , ( common in QLD may have spread from there ) or either just a myth that got around , or people were teaching driver to to do it as they thought it best practice but not illegal :)
@@ScottsCarcameras That was from the RTA handbook at the time. But the handbook was not as thorough on the rules as the rules you show in your vids.
don't have you have a copy do you , legislation copies i have but not older handbooks , may see if they can be found :)
Despite the fact that the lane on the left side is clearly blocked due to many parking spots, there is a brazen driver who refuses to line up on the right side and overtakes the vehicle on the right side in the left lane before cutting into the right lane. It is Australia's own crazy rules.
In reference to what in teh video ?
This was filmed in NSW. This not correct for drivers in NSW. You must turn from the left most lane into the left most lane
27 Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road)
(1) A driver turning left at an intersection from a road (except a multi-lane road) must approach and enter the intersection from as near as practicable to the far left side of the road.
Maximum penalty-20 penalty units.
(1A) Subrule (1) also applies to a rider of a bicycle who approaches and enters an intersection from a bicycle storage area.
Note-
Bicycle storage area is defined in the Dictionary.
(1B) Despite subrule (1), if there is space in a bicycle storage area for 2 riders of bicycles to be next to each other, the rider on the right may approach and enter the intersection as near as practicable to the right side of the other rider, but only if that other rider approaches and enters the intersection in accordance with this rule.
(2) In this rule-
road does not include a road related area.
Note 1-
Intersection and multi-lane road are defined in the Dictionary.
Note 2-
Road related area includes any shoulder of a road-see rule 13.
Example-
Starting a left turn from a road (except a multi-lane road)
and the same for the right turn
Got to NSW Legislation site and read it for yourself.
HI Green FYI no its all correct, you have confused it , so the quote you pasted has nothing to do with this its is only to do with where you can START a turn , its for when there is only 1 turing lane and 1 lane to turn into and its states if you read it you must stay the left SIDE of the road NOT anything to do with lanes or lane choice that's different rule , re read you quote the see link to reference page scroll down t "turning " section you will the rule s, details and images showing the rule and that as in the video when its a single turing lane you can turn into any lane left , middle , right etc and fyi these these rule are the same and correct for all of Australia , any questions let me know :) www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/intersections.html
When turning right at a traffic light, you can move to the middle of the intersection waiting for a break in traffic when it's still green.
Who would be at fault, if the lights changed to amber and red and as you turn a car going through the red or amber smash into you?
Of course the car that went through, but can you be charged for turning onto coming traffic as well?
Greg
Hi Greg i covered this in another video see link , so the answer is to quote/paraphrase the law , " you must wait until the intersection is clear and it is safe to turn " so if the light turn yellow you need to wait for all traffic clear then turn , if a car in the other direction runs a red and hits you they are at fault only not you , but while it still yellow you need to wait if traffic has not all stopped, make sense ?
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@@ScottsCarcameras thanks for that information.
I came close to a nasty accident when a car run the red and missed me only by a few inches.
I was told I was partly at fault also.
I got dashcam and it showed that the car went through the red light.
Havagooday
Greg
Looks like I should get a new copy of the QLD traffic act and check these out. Examples 4, 3 and 1 were definitely illegal in my 1986 edition.
Hi , well I haven’t read back to 1986 , but for you state QLD these rules were current from at least 1995 , So can’t say if they were changed were just misunderstood;)
But this is why with varying age drivers everyone need to stay update :)
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It amazes me that the transport department can slip advertising into the envelope with our annual registration renewal but have never included rules updates.
Can anyone tell me why are we seeing more n more drivers making a left hand turn from the centre lane of 3 laned roads?
They're bloody lazy and / or impatient, that's what !
Have you done one yet on DON'T BLOODY TURN IN FRONT OF ONCOMING TRAFFIC!!!
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Enjoyed the music and contents thx
I know that when I'm going ahead I should have right of way instead of cars indicate right in the opposite lane. When it comes to a busy intersection, several cars on the opposite lane are turning right(which is to my left), what should I do to show that I'm intent to going straight, also which position to wait for the oncoming traffic when there's no clear markings on the road?
That first 1 is a bit weird cause the first car changed lanes halfway through the roundabout he should’ve stayed in the lane he was in but he’s correct.
Hi , not sure what your trying to say , point of the tye first one is to say you don’t have to stay in the lane you can change lanes ?
These things might be legal but common sense should prevail. In my humble opinion, and in most of those scenarios, the risks outweigh the benefits. Especially driving through a service station to avoid waiting at some traffic lights for 30 seconds.
great video, thank you so much
and what happens if the right lane can also turn left you are suposed to remain in the lane you entered the left turn in
Also who has Right of way at Round about
Every one of these scenarios is illegal in most parts of Canada and USA. If you're visiting check the rules for the state or province you're driving in.
Yeah you have strange laws there it’s also illegal to drive on the correct side of the road ;)
Hi re the give way to the right rule are you referring to roundabouts ? as thats another urban myth thats not how the rules are here ,
There should be a law that requires one's wife to return the car with petrol in the tank!
And replace the empty toilet roll!
Its an interesting spotlight on the differences between rules in different states.
I learned to drive in Nsw and then moved to Qld where rules differ slightly.
On roundabouts its the same for lane changes though while inadvisable it is technically legal provided all normal lane change rules are followed.
Qld rules on straight line use of roundabouts is to not indicate when entering and to indicate left when exiting - when I learned it was to use no indication when driving through. As this was the old rule Qld police seem happy to accept either option still..
Lately though I have noticed an increase in drivers indicating right when entering and left when exiting roundabouts which is incredibly irritating as it slows traffic flow with a false signal. Dont know if this is a strange rule from interstate or just peoples ignorance 😂
For Yellow lights/ arrows it is the same though the driver can drive through the yellow if they deem that it is "unsafe" to stop before it.
On the driving through service stations thing while that's technically legal again as long as normal signs rules are followed it is likely to attract you the displeasure of other road users.
I'll add that in Qld the road rules do state that any traffic on the road is Not required to give way to traffic entering from a driveway or service station so any accident caused by the entering traffic puts them squarely at fault unless its an emergency vehicle.
Think you could run half a video just on U Turn rules 😂 in Qld they are many and varied.
Hi Shannon to clarify for you there are very few rule differences between the states , re roundabout rule they are the same in all of Australia and have never been different , if going straight no indicator and indicate left on exit if practicable , same all states not changed , just people doing it wrong .
re yellows lights in all states , yes only stop if able to safely.
re the give way , that again is standard for all states vehicle the from a road related area to a road must give way ,
re Uturns QLD rules are the same as all other states no variations , VIC is the only place that as a variation on one rule , covered this on another vide see link :) ruclips.net/video/s_jBUuvzyjI/видео.html
You can’t change lanes in a roundabout or an intersection in Victoria. Very dangerous and illegal. You would get a fine doing that in Victoria.
Hello Tom FYi NO the law is the same for VIC as NSW ands other states YES you can change lanes in a roundabout and intersection , not dangerous done million times a day as it is not illegal :) watch video in link , your welcome :) www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/roundabouts
Actually the yellow light you have to slow down and if it is safe to do so then stop but if it’s not then u can go through it
Hi Hayleigh no the point of the video was it works the opposite way to way you said , you must stop for a yellow light unless its not safe to stop as in you cant stop in time / are already to close to the line , make sense ? :)
Yes, if you haven't done it already in another video. Road rules for Australia regarding the proper use of roundabouts. It seems almost NO ONE gives way at roundabouts.
HI got you covered on that please see link and let me know what you think :)ruclips.net/video/MGQLghn5FlY/видео.html
Thanks mate. :o) I just watched it. Is it supposed to be only a 6 second video or is there something wrong ?
lol yes something went wrong , you remind me i had to fix something on that video and clicked on the wrong the wrong thing and cut the video down to 6 seconds :( its in the process of being fixed try back in an hour or so it should be fixed sorry :(
Will do, thanks :o)
its fixed now :)
Drive through a service station to skip a corner - as long as you recognise that any incident is on your shoulders... this is not a designated road, and insurance, accidents will be almost inevitably your fault.
Well thing is I don't encourage doing it , but it's not skipping a corner , and as for incidents no that's no exactly right , and service station , car park , shopping centre or any complex weather is one interection corner or not , if it's a publicly accessible for traffic than the same laws and rules apply as on the public roads , So when driving through a service station for example all laws apply , so you must give way to other car, pedestrians obey speed limit etc , but for example if a car drive off from stationary position as you were driving passed and hit you , the same rules apply and they would be at fault , doesn't amtter if you were driving through as in the video . All that said , I think unless there is a good reason reason us ethe road , but this was just here to answer the question is it legal or not
Scott one day I'm going to successfully video a particular set of roundabouts and send it to you.
are they elusive ? move a lot ? is that why you haven't been successful in videoing them ? ;)
Nah nothing like that, the Camera chooses then to stop and backup/save what's been recorded. It's a timing issue!
stopping at an amber light, what could possibly go wrong?
richard, as long as you don't have a truck behind you or someone with a trailer, then you will be fine. Anyone driving a heavy vehicle or towing a heavy load will take at a minimum 10 times longer than your vehicle to stop. Big trucks will take 20 times longer, which is why you often see them running lights.
Regarding the roundabout...that’s what gets many people...the fact that while it’s legal...the line markings and the usual road rules apply for lane changing
For exam0le, near my house is a big roundabout at a typical cross roads...two lanes each way with median strip division between directions...
...people make the turn right, and try to go immediately into the left hand lane for petrol station access...sadly they think they have the right of way to cut off the driver next to them in the left hand lane...what’s worse is that for the petrol station, 50m down the road is a cut in the median specifically marked for u-turn...which was added there when the petrol station was built...
...no one wants to drive the extra 100 metres to be courteous to other road users...often nearly causing collisions, and assaulting the victim driver by screaming “why couldn’t you be courteous and let me across”...simple...they aren’t technically obliged to...you also showed no courtesy to them, why should they to you
It's really weird for left steering wheel driver to see the aus drive ways.
You can change lanes through an intersection in order to avoid a potential accident however the examples you showed are not legal lane changes, as Australian road laws clearly state you cannot change lanes through an intersection.
Hello no that’s incorrect that’s why the video is here because there are many people such as yourself that’s are under this misconception that it is illegal as you can see from the video it is legal and no , there is no Australian road laws ““ that shows it’s illegal ! each state has its own legislation for road rules and in all states except W.A. you can change lanes in an intersection section W.A. is the only state where it is illegal , If you are have a look at the legislation for each of the other stage you will find nowhere in there doesn’t state that it is illegal to change lanes in an intersection it’s the same as how you are also allowed to change lanes in around about that is another form of an intersection and that is legal too , Call but arm this is why the video is here is to help people such as yourself know the correct rules and now you do glad to help have a good day
@@ScottsCarcameras I have done some further reading and stand corrected. You should probably state that is it legal in all states except WA, though.
Hi Well at the start of the video its states these rules are for NSW and if a law is applicable in all states but eg the turn laws at traffic lights that only applies to Victoria your going to teach the majority law not the single :)
At a Traffic light, when there is a round green light only (& arrow turn light is blank), i can still turn, but just have to give way as if lights weren't there.......is that right?
Yes correct www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/traffic-lights.html
I have to disagree with that last part about driving through front courts and driveways like that. It is a serious hazard and dangerous to pedestrians and persons working at such venues. It got that bad that I couldn't reverse a car out of a workshop without nearly getting collect by the traffic running though to evade the lights.
This just doesn’t make sense to me and I’m from Australia.....
People!!!! Don’t change lanes in an intersection....u can just before one...
People!!! Don’t change lanes in a roundabout...unless there is an abstraction....then safely avoid it.....
By stopping,check blind spot move around toward the left....as to not congest traffic further in that inside lane....
SIMPLE.
Actually in many states you can’t change lanes just before an intersection:)
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Number #2 - Stopping on a Yellow. Now, it states you must stop "if it's safe to do so". Obviously there's variables that come into play as to whether a driver or vehicle can safely stop, but in the event that a police pulls you over, who determines whether it was safe or not? It's the drivers responsibility / decision, yes ?
yes but if you are seen by police they deem you could have stopped safety then you get a ticket if you dispute it then you go to court and the judge reviews the video and makes the decision :)
@@ScottsCarcameras Yep, and even if you get off without a penalty from the court you've still gone through all that hassle / stress / wasted time.
@@ScottsCarcameras but only if they can prove it
You could create a whole series of these! Oh good...
yes there is a vol 2 available if you haven't watched it and my driver education series , and im working on vol 3 with 5 more rules it will be out very soon :)
Beethoven's 9th.
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How can you indicate to change lanes in a roundabout when you need to give something like 2 seconds notice? Or has that rule changed?
HI the rule has not changed there has never been a time requirement on indicating for a lane change , however if teh runabout id very small you may not have enough time signal a lane change so doing one is not safe or practical and unable due to traffic in the roundabout so you wont not do it :)