Squeaky Violin E String: Causes and Cures
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bow speed is the primary cause in beginners. Pull too slow and you get a screech, pull to fast and it whistles. Finding the correct bow pull is what we call "getting the cat out" ;)
wow i love your videos - you really have the best violin youtube videos i have ever seen!! you are SUCH a good teacher - you make a video on everything i questions about and you explain things so well and easy to understand - you definately have a gift!!
THANK YOU so much for helping us all - you are improving the sound of violin players everywhere!!
Gosh, thanks! I appreciate the feedback!
I am so happy to have found your video. After 4 years of my son playing I told him today there is no more squeaking on a daily basis - my ears are excited!! :)
These videos are really helping me pick up the violin again after 6 years!! My strings from 6 years ago are still on it >_< I'm considering my next string purchase
I recomment Pro Arte by D'Addario! I hope you are still inspired to get your violin out! New strings are a must!
As always, very helpful advice Laura, thanks!
Ok haha so I just got my violin an hour ago and I thought the E string was loose and that was what was causing it so I tightened it and it flew off across the room 😣
Ack! Yep, that happens sometimes!!!
same
At least it didn't hit your face. Mine did and it cause a mark on my forehead for a day or so
KeShi_Online my string did hit my face 😂 i was so confused then it happened to another string
inés That feeling. Thats why I never self tuned ever again
Thank you! Squeaky e-string have been my trouble when learning violin (now 2 months )...
Thank you for the tips
Thanks for the tips
Extremely helpful. Thank you!
Really informative. Thanks so much!
I had the same experience with gold "E" strings whistling so I don't use them. Changing back to a standard "E" string fixed it. Check out the Warchal Amber Violin E that prevents whistling in a unique way. Nice video. Thanks!
In another of your excellent videos you recommended a Corelli medium light 'e' string. I was having just a little bit of a poor tone so I bought a Corelli 'e'. Fantastic! What an improvement right from the get-go, even before it is properly broken in. They are cheap and made in France where I live. Thank you for making my playing so much better!
I am so happy for this feedback. Sometimes I start to think it's all in my head but you have strengthened my conviction that the Corelli E string IS sweet!
For mi the kea is quelite of the bridge, the work of master for ajuste it to my violin.
You advises are very helpful!
Thanks for this video.
Great tips! Thanks!
Thanks, Paola!
Thank you, this was a very helpful video. It turns out the tube for the e string was far ahead of the bridge which made my e string sounds annoying. Now that I adjusted the tube, it sound mellowed out and feels really good in the ears.
SO good to hear. Simple things make a big difference!
EXCELLENT INFORMATION...I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT AND NOW KNOW WHAT TO DO!
Great, Ray! I'm glad it helped!
I noticed that I can get that whistle most easily when crossing to the open E string from 1/2 tone below E on the A string. It feels related to whether the E string is more or less harmonically stimulated sympathetically by the preceeding note. So playing C (2nd string) crossing to open E, less chance of a whistle. However, playing Eb (2nd string) to open E string will get that whistle. You hit on this topic lightly. Thanks for your advice.
Larry, I think we are onto something here! I've noticed when I play in the key of F or D minor it is way worse.
Very good listening to the dos and don't s .l shall keep them in mind
Thanks. Very helpful
Did I mention playing closer to the bridge as a cure for squeaky E? (someone told me that recently....and I hoped it was in my video, LOL)
My E string actually has never came with a tube thing that goes on the bridge ever...
That's not unusual. But watch your e string and make sure it's not digging into your bridge.
A very warm thank-you.
+Barrie James You're welcome! Thanks for commenting.
Thank you for the info
Any time!
My E string sounds fine unless I play G sharp. It just started yesterday that every time I play a high G sharp it gives an awful scratchy sound but as soon as I move on to a different note on the E string it sounds okay again. I've checked the bridge and rosin build up and have rosined my bow but it hasn't changed
Check to see if your violin has a wolf or possibly a suboptimally placed soundpost. You may need a luthier or more experienced violinist to help evaluate this.
Thank you! My experience has been that some brands are squeekers (obligatto, pi, gold) on both my violins but others (Larsens, Eva's, Perpetual & Goldbrokat) don't. My favourite is Hill special E ♥️😊
Thanks for naming those brands, Niall. I had a Goldbrokat E that whistled pretty bad. It was 15 years ago, but I never bought another one. But people LOVE Goldbrokat...so maybe it was just me.
For me it usually only happens on a string crossing going from A to E, but I'll be sure to keep my strings clean from now on!
Yes, open E is the very worst. It happens to me crossing to an F-natural too.....but I've learned to eliminate that...mostly.
It also happens with me going from A to E, and more specifically, slurring on an up bow (eg A-B-C-D-Open E), and in quicker passages. It’s very frustrating because I’ve eliminated the things you mention in the video... I think it may be either something to do with my bowing technique or the fact that I live in Taiwan where the humidity is a lot higher than in the west. It also happens on the other strings to a lesser extent. (More A than D & G).
Sometimes it’s a full on squeak/whistle, sometimes it’s just a kind of grinding sound.
Violin is very beautiful when it has a great player
Aunque este video tenga ya varios años encima, su VALOR permanecerá vigente pues siempre habrá gente deseosa de aprender este Maravilloso instrumento.
Eu aprecio muito o seu comentário, obrigado!
Just watched another great video from a great teacher! This has been a problem for me. Bridge!!!! Mine's crooked. Noticed it at church this morning. I'm sure bowing is a problem too. Been working on that. Thanks again for your great lessons. Gail
Aha! Glad to know that you sleuthed out the cause!
I had the same problem with the gold e string but I found a solution ... I just put a little more rosin on my bow
thank you! it worked
Hooray!!!
Great information from you and RD Violin, as usual! I have been experiencing a squeaky-E since I put new Dominant (medium) stings on my violin. I was happy to hear that I could move the sleeve up to the bridge to both protect the bridge and possibly reduce the potential for squeaks, but I find that the sleeve does not budge. I don't want to mess with it too much, but shall I loosen the string and try some more or just leave well enough alone? It's a considerably longer sleeve than the one you show on your instrument. Thank you very much for all your good education! Barbara.
Hi Barbara, I would DEFINITELY loosen your E string, and gently INSIST that the sleeve move back. It's probably sort of mooshed onto the string, and with a little encouragement, it will loosen. I have had strings with really long sleeves too. (the long ones I've had were light green).
Thank you so much, now i can play my violin properly
Wow, i didnt even know that the E string had a tube, in a whole year of self learning. Thankyou so much.
The video was very helpfull
Yes, that tiny little piece that many people discard is kind of important!
Any tips or exercise that you recommend for finger placement, especially for the E-string? I struggle with my finger placement, particularly for F# and G. First finger (F#) is OK. But for the second finger, either I unintentionally make my hand flat or if I am conscious about my hand movement, I invariably shift my first finger, resulting in playing a wrong pitch. How do I correct it? I have naturally short fingers. My hand position seems to be OK (self examined in mirror). I am a late beginner (just 45 years) and into my second year of learning!! Pl. help me.
THANK U
very helpful
Thank you!
Thanks Laura. Nice to know the odds are in our favour. :) Another reason the E string (or any string) squeaks is if you're not "dropping and lifting" your left hand fingers fast enough, right? Or if they're not landing squarely on the string. (In essence, creating slight harmonics each time you drop and lift.)
YES YES YES! Left hand articulation plays a huge role in this! I"m mad that I didn't mention that in the video.....if you have a sluggish left hand, that can really cause the problem of squeaky E. Thanks for mentioning it here!
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Thanks You..
You are welcome!
Thanks for the video!!! and... can I use petter infeld on E??
what do you think about that kind of string in E??
+Timothy Alvarado Zuñiga I'm sorry, I have no personal experience with Peter Infeld. Try violinist.com.....huge community there.
Currently I am playing polish Dance, and my e is whistling like crazy in the main melody. All other pieces have been totally fine. Has anyone else had this issue?? Help!!
Lora, I've found over the years that using a wound E string will also help eliminate the "eeek". (They call fiddle strings 'wars' in West Virginia).
I"m trying to figure out for a full month how to say "WARS" in a southern accent....and how it would mean fiddle strings!!! LOL Wound E. Interesting. My wound E's always whistled. Shows that we are all different!
'Wars' means 'Wires' in West Virginian, Lora.
@@violinsane108 Oh! Wow, of course! I am going to have lots of fun saying it that way from now on! (a student from N. Carolina taught me how to say "Skeeters" for mosquitos!) I did just put a whole new set of wars on my fiddle....breaking them in as we speak! ;-)
i wasn't aware** of that last tip about bow position based on intensity of the music you're trying to play. thanks!
**or if i was, i learned it so long ago and probably no one explained _why bow position mattered
Yes, sounding point is often overlooked when teaching violin! But now you know! With great wisdom comes great responsibility! ;-)
Posting a question and would really appreciate your response. :) I am playing "Adoration" by Felix Borowski. The last note of the piece is the very high "D" on the "E" string. The note is only a few cm from the edge of the fingerboard and it is held for two measures. I have reasonable tone production and use Simon Fischer's "Basics" book to improve my technique. However, I am having a bit of difficulty producing a nice tone on that very last high "D" note. I can play the rest of the piece reasonably well. Any hints on playing very high notes on the "E" string and producing a beautiful tone? Your advice is GREATLY appreciated! Thank you!
Where the heck did this question come from? I just saw it just now!!!!!!!! ANYWAY, yes, I have great ideas for you, but you probably already worked it out.
First, when playing up in high positions, move the bow as close to the bridge as possible. Higher positions should be closer to the bridge, lower positions don't have to be so close.
Second, that note ending Adoration is not loud, so you will want to cushion the note and ease up on the bow weight. Light bow, close to the bridge, and turn the hair on the side, so it's just a clean edge of hair on the E string.
Those 2 tips should set you up nicely.
Mine is the "A" string wiping rosin off strings helped BUT GREAT VIDEO THANK YOU (my cat sends her regards as well) and my bridge was leaning forward badly. Just like life before Jesus Christ "I think I have committed ALL the sins"
Hi Lora, great video and I love that blouse on you! I see the violins hanging on the wall. I have a music room that I practice in and keep instruments. When I finish practicing I safely hang my violins as opposed to putting them back in their cases. Can this create an issue. I live in Louisiana and the room is AC and heated so humidity is somewhat controlled. Thanks again love you stuff!! David
Hi David! As long as humidity is somewhat controlled, I do not see a problem with hanging the instruments. The only issue would be dust build-up. The advantage of hanging them is that they are exposed to light, and most destructive bugs avoid light, so you can avoid wood-eating hair-eating bugs. Plus that keeps you 1 step closer to practicing!
great thanks
Hope it helps!
Very informative
Thanks for watching!
Red Desert Fiddle
One other thing that I don't think was mention is the slurred bowing passages like D# or D on A crossing to E back and forth. I find that choosing the right part of the bow combined with speed and weight helps to avoid the squeaking E. I happen to use a heavy gauge Gold E because on my violin it actually mitigates against the squeaking E so my experience was opposite to yours.
Its good to have your input to contrast with my experience with gold E. Thank you.
Wonderful video. Just a quick comment; I've noticed that sometimes the e string will whistle when the bow happens to land on one of the harmonic partials. When I play the Bach chaconne I have to watch for that.
+George Mason Aha. I think you just solved the mystery that SOME KEYS whistle much worse than other keys.....one of the Four Seasons of Vivaldi is horrible for whistling....I think it was in d minor, but don't remember.......and the Chacconne is also in D Minor.......
+Red Desert Violin Glad to be of service. I know that, for me, playing the violin has been an ongoing adventure, solving musical and logistical mysteries, for 40 years now.
Thank you
I just took everything off my violin to clean it and put I back on and there was an echo that cleaned it uo
Thank you! It was soooo helpful. These Squeaky whistling sound was making my ear hurt.
Glad it helped! Squeaking is an unpleasant sound!
Tsomi Moots same
thanks for the tips, what is a medium standard gage thickness?
You know what, I don't have a NUMBER for a medium gauge. I bet you could google it.
Thank you. Just got my first E string whistles trying to play slurs with string crossing.
EXACTLY. That's one of the worst causes of the squeak. So.....were you able to avoid it using my tips?
@@RedDesertViolin I think so, somewhat. That was a week ago, and I'm old and all. Can't remember. If I thanked you, something must have worked. Sorry for the memory lapse!!!! ;-)
What kind of strings do you like to use?
Bang... First tip. Clean your strings... PROPERLY... Fixed my problem! Thank you!
Oh COOL! Thanks for letting us know what worked!
Thank you for this!! What if my bow is too tight? Could this also cause a piercing E string? I seem to have a problem where my D and G sound rough and my E string feels like a piercing shriek. Could it be due to bad bow hair or rosin buildup on the bow?
Yes, it could be excessive rosin. A tight bow is unpleasant, but it shouldn't cause shrieking or horrid sounds, just a tiny harshness, and a ton of bounce. MOST LIKELY, your "action" is too high, from a bridge or a nut that is too high, so the strings are under too much tension. that is the most common cause of what you are describing. You can look up what mm the action should be. And maybe you can take it to a luthier. Good luck!
@@RedDesertViolin thank you so much! ☺️
I already found my issue of squeaking/whistling madam. It's my sound post that is re-attached. I just noticed the sound post helps sound to circulate inside the body of the violin and removes squeak.
Aha! So did you move the sound post? I am glad to know you solved the mystery! Thanks for getting back to me about it!
The repairman did madam. Been busy practicing Ashokan farewell that you posted >.
my problem is my bowing. when I go to the A stringI'm still slightly bowing the E and I get the ultimate screech. any advice?
Yes. First, I would try to improve your accuracy and technique in regards to playing on your A string. Teach your bow arm PRECISELY the elevation you need to hit only the A string. (in your case you will need to RAISE your arm so it moves away from the E string level)
Second, try bowing a little closer to the bridge.
Last resort, you might need to put a "parchment" patch under your A string to raise it up a little. Try the first 2 ideas first, and use this as a last resort.....because if you raise your A string, then it can make you start hitting your D string on accident, and it can set off a chain reaction. If you have a luthier nearby, you can ask him or her if your bridge curvature is correct....but I would try #1 and 2 first. Good luck!
I have just got a new set Pirastro Evah pirazzi and it is really whistling it hasn't happened before with these strings can you suggest anything?
Elliot Jarvis Hi Elliot
I don't have any new suggestions.
Wound E's tend to whistle. Is the Pirazzi wound?
Also, sometimes when we change strings, it amplifies existing problems, like a crooked bridge, or a "slit" in the bridge that is pinching the E string, or the little "sleeve" that comes with the E gets placed too far forward.....
Those are the main things I would check.
OFTEN, I order a DIFFERENT E string than what comes with a set.
I have had AWESOME results with the Corelli Crystal E, medium. But that's just me.
Check the stuff listed above....I bet it's something mechanical.
Red Desert Violin ELLIOT! I meant Corelli Alliance E string. Both are good.....but my favorite for tone and non-squeaking is the Alliance.
How about when you play in higher positions on the E string I can never make it sound decent
When in higher positions, play the bow closer to the string, with extra bow weight, and extra firm fingers on the left hand (to make sure you pin the string firmly to the fingerboard)
Wow wow wow..., never paid attention to how that “tube” sits on the bridge. So many tricky details. And I always learn something new..., I withdraw my electrifying comment.
Abasc, I'm glad you benefited from this little detail. I have not gotten to the electrifying comment yet....but I will keep your withdrawal in mind! ;-)
I mistakenly picked up 'Heavy ' strings. I normally use 'medium' tension strings which apply approx 65 pounds of pressure on the bridge. The heavy strings apply approx 75 or 80 pounds of pressure when tuned. my question is "What are the pros and cons of these two types of strings ?"
Gregory, different violins sound better with different gauges. Medium is the starting point....get medium unless you have a specific reason to get light/heavy. Light, thin gauges are quicker to respond, but they will have less depth and will be brighter. Thick heavy gauges will have slower response, are a little more "work" to play on, and could sound muffled or dark. (not necessarily a bad thing...but still....) Go with medium unless you wanna experiment in achieving better balance across your violin.
I'm playing fine with my E string. My A string whistles not my E, can I use E string as A string? Would it tune correctly as A if I did?
No, that wouldn't work, Rodney. The E tuned to an A would sound incredibly weird and soggy. Instead, why don't you try getting a different A? (also, check the same things in this video on you A string....often the A string can get pinched in the bridge wood too) I would get like a D'Addario Prelude A string...they are nice quality, but affordable. If price isn't a big issue, then I also love the Dominant A.
Red Desert Violin I tried though, and it sounds bad, okay back to place A string lol. I'll observe my A string and do your tips madam. Thanks
The bridge can absorb water even in the case? Your also cute as a button n very good at what you do!! Thank you!! ❤️😃👊👌🎻
Thanks for your sweet comment! YES, the bridge absorbs humidity, even in the case, as does everything else----our horsehair, the instrument, everything. I once read that in high humidity a violin can absorb enough moisture to dampen a paper towel (if it could all be extracted and put into the paper towel)
Red Desert Violin wow!! I believe it! 😳we live in fla. And have central air conditioning but I’m sure humidity is getting in even our homes! 😳 I wanted to ask when to buy a new bow?
Well....do you mean how to know when the bow you are using is no longer any good? Or how to know when you need to upgrade to a better bow?
So, with good bows, we just replace the bow hair at about $75 per re-hair.
With cheap bows.....they are often cheaper to replace than to re-hair.
If your bow has lost lots of hair, it's time to replace or rehair.
Wood bows if they are neglected (or made of bad wood) will warp....so it curves in a wonky way. It is expensive to fix the warp.....and again, cheaper to get a new one than fix a cheap one.
If you buy a synthetic bow (carbon fiber being the most popular), they are way lower maintenance....but I just don't like them as well as a fine pernambuco bow. The pernambuco is more responsive, lightweight, balanced, finer workmanship....but alas....expensive and more worry to protect from getting broken or warped.
So if you are a student, a carbon fiber might be a great bow to get you from student to high intermediate, and then I would probably advise you to look into a pernambuco bow.
Does that answer you?
Red Desert Violin yes. Very helpful explanation!! Your a big help!! Thank you so much!!! 😃❤️
I can't move the tube on the E string. It seems to be stuck :/ I've always thought that it had to sit on top of the bridge, oh well! you learn something new everyday
It does sit on top of the bridge, to protect it, but it shouldn't hang over the front....instead, it should hang over the back, toward the tail piece. (and if you have parchment on your bridge, or an ebony inlay, you don't need the tube at all.
I played one day... sounds fine, then 2 days later...My strings have all suddenly gotten a flat "nasally" sound...not resonating like B4. I tried moving and even removing the chinrest and still...so I'm pretty sure it's not that...my strings are less than 2 months old. Sounds post hasn't moved, don't see any open seams,and I'm pretty sure I didn't forget how to bow in 48 hours. Help?
Gosh, did you get this figured out, Cris? My first guess would have been open seams. Check your bridge, make sure it's straight. The tailpiece cord can sometimes build up pressure in it, and if you press your thumb sideways on each side, sometimes you get a "CLICK" when it releases the pressure. Try that.
Other than that, if you are a student.....you are changing SOMETHING in your approach on those bad days, and you need to be very observant to figure out what you are changing. Maybe the angle of your shoulder rest? (pay attention to every millimeter or take a picture on a good day) Clothing can change things. The room your practice in. Fingernails. A hangover, LOL....these can all change your success. Let me know what you discover. I love hearing what people figure out!
i have used a 'Kaplan' non-squeaking 'E' string. It worked.
I'll give that a try....gotta write it down!!! Thanks
I tried the Kaplan as well and it stopped the whistling but had a far too 'dead' sound for me - not very powerful and no resonance. I heard that all the 'non-whistling' E strings are wound. Recently this problem has got so bad that I've stopped playing certain pieces in public if they feature a lot of open Es. I'll try the tips suggested here, but I've also just ordered some pure gut E strings to see if that makes a difference; maybe it'll make it worse :(
Mr Cheese . I used one set of the GutStrings. Not my prefferred sound but no squeeking. i also tune to 432Hz. I like it better.
What don't you like about the sound? Do you know the thickness of the gut E string you used?
Mr Cheese . the sound was so different from what I was used to. the volume and penetrating aspect of my 'then' particular sound was gone . it was a softer sound. Correct for the Baroque oeriod. i am not a good violinist, so my impression is that of an ignorant person. that is not said unkindly. merely honest.
Please help me. What would I do with my A- string? It sounds scratchy and I did scraped the rosin on it. But it still sounds uglyyy. But my other strings sound beautifully? Please help meee I'm really uncomfortable with it :(((((
Lots of things can cause that, Simon. Here are a few ideas:
1) Cheap A string. Thin strings often sound harsh.
2) Old worn out string
3) Bridge might be crooked or "leaning" instead of straight up. Carefully check, and if it is crooked, put it straight up. BUT BE CAREFUL....bridges can break or fall over.
4) String notches on the bridge might be too deep and be pinching your A string. To fix this, put a piece of paper or parchment under the string until you can get a new bridge.
5) Violin might have an open seam, or it might need a sound post adjustment.
6) Weather might have changed your violin......see #5
I'm pretty sure it's one of those things. LET ME KNOW what you discover.....I love hearing how people solve these mysteries!
Can you show me how to change strings
For sure! I have extensive videos on this channel on that!
Whenever i play a Bb or a C# on my e string i get the strange squeaky sound. I even changed my e string because it was bothering me and it didn’t help. Idk what to do.
So, in 3rd position, you play a C#, and Bb, as in low 4 on the E string? (just trying to be clear). I would suspect a couple things. 1) it could be that your action is too high. You need to have it checked, and maybe get your bridge and nut lowered, or maybe your fingerboard is warped. 2) it could be your finger pressure just isn't firm enough. you need to really pin the string to the fingerboard firmly. Check those things. And of course, your bow needs to be in a good sounding point, but you probably know that. Keep us posted with what you learn!
@@RedDesertViolin Thank you! :) I will check these things and see if i can fix the problem. I didn't quite understand your question. I play them in 3rd or 4th position depends on the piece if that's what you're asking. My fingerings are always changing based on what is more comfortable and clear.
Could this be for the A string, too?
dang eight years but yeah
Can you clean the strings with alcohol? remove excess rosin?
YES, that would definitely contribute to squeaks. And yes, alcohol will do it. Just be careful not to drip it down on the varnish anywhere. (don't over-soak the cotton)
No mention of the bow playing a part in this . .. so to speak😉 Is it possible that the quality of the bow hair makes a difference? Either dirty or old?
Oh, good thought. I would think LACK OF ROSIN would be #1. Dirty and Old would not be huge triggers for squeaking if there is lots of rosin. (but of course it could make it worse if the hair is old or dirty, BECAUSE old dirty hair doesn't retain rosin well. Good thinking. Thanks.
my e string sound fine but when i play my f on the e string it sounds really bad :( tips?
It could be that the "action" of your strings is too low. Your bridge might need to be raised, or your fingerboard might need planed. A good way to test this out is to put a small piece of paper under the E string on the bridge. (I fold up a gum wrapper several layers thick) Also, finger tapes have sometimes caused this problem, but again, the underlying cause is action that is too low.
A Larsen Tzigane E string (medium gauge) is very resistant to whistling and sounds beautiful. It is not super expensive either.
+Dorse Sears GREAT to know. I recently learned that the Goldbrokat is also resistant to whistling. I thought Goldbrokat was the gold plated E......(those whistle horribly)....but those are NOT the Goldbrokat brand. I was confused. Thanks for the info on the Larsen.
I like the Goldbrokat as well. However the Tzigane E is even more resistant to squeaks than Goldbrokat and it produces a more singing, "prettier", response over Goldbrokat, in my experience. I like both of them actually, but I prefer Tzigane.
I’m experiencing squawking on my strings. Almost like difference resonance - from warm tone to weak. This tonal fluctuation occurring that no matter what I do, is ever present. I’ve changed my strings, watched where my bow lands, tried harder and lighter finger pressure, harder and lighter bow. It’s SO FRUSTRATING! What’s happening?
Hi Amy, yes, first we must exhaust the possibilities of "operator error". After you do that, then it's time to consider a luthier's help....sound post adjustment, bridge height, tailpiece, action height, or open seams, even finger tapes can all cause those symptoms. But also, you can be a detective: is it on one string? Is it on a certain finger? Is it worse on a downbows? If you get REALLY SPECIFIC, you might solve it, but also, it will help the luthier if you end up going to one. I'd LOVE for you to post the answer to this mystery. I love learning more.
I barely bought a Stentor 2 violin and my violin seems it was out of tune, then I recently bought a tuner device and every time i thought it was in tune it wasn't and i felt it was off. As I was tuning my violin one of the strings came off and had gotten all tangled up with the other strings, so I decided to take them all off. then as i was trying to put one my string the bridge broke so I was wondering what can you suggest for me?
Charline Gee Hi Charline, man, sorry you had this trouble! It is intimidating to work on a violin if you are not familiar with it. Here's my advice: 1) take it to a shop or to a violin school and plead for some help getting it back together. Usually, it is a simple fix for someone who is familiar with violins. 2) If your bridge really broke, then you will need a new one PROFESSIONALLY made. If you get one online, it will work, but it will not work very well. The bridges you buy online are just made from a template, with average wood, and poor workmanship. A GOOD bridge is cut by hand and is CUSTOM FIT to YOUR violin exactly.....and the difference is HUGE. So, if you can afford it, I highly advise you to get a bridge professionally fit. If you can't afford it, then get a bridge that says it has "adjustable" feet, which means the feet swivel just a little bit, so that they "mate" perfectly to the top of your violin. 3) in the future, never take all 4 strings off the violin at a time.....only 1 or 2. 4) To get the bridge set back correctly, again, take it to a shop if you can. If not, then you need to position them around the f-holes.....but please research the exact placement before you do this. 5) BE VERY CAREFUL not to knock the sound post down.....you are very vulnerable to the soundpost falling down when the strings are all off! If your sound post falls down......you would have to take it to a shop to get it put back up again. I would never attempt that even on a cheap violin. Good luck to you!!!!!!!
I don't have the money for some one to do that, and I already bought one online. I haven't touched the violin since the bridge broke because I am not sure what order to put it back together in. so i might try that and if they cant help me i will use youtube to figure it out. thank you for your advice.
I didn't know that taking off the strings of a violin that you cannot reuse the strings and that I needed to buy new ones
Charline Gee No, you can totally re-use the strings! For sure! It is just a bad idea to take them all off at once because the bridge falls and the soundpost can fall too. As for putting the bridge back on right, youtube will help you with that. As for the order of the strings.....yeah, that sucks that you don't remember which is which, but thing of it this way: The E string is wire. The A string is going to be the thinnest next to the E. So, the only mystery strings are going to be D and G. You can't go off thickness.....sometimes the D string is thickest. So, I would put one of the strings on the G and tune it up to G......if it sounds REALLY weird, then you know it's the D string. If it sounds ok, then it is probably the G. You have a 50/50 shot, go for it!
so the other thing I noticed was that when the strings were on the D string wouldn't stick and it would always become loose and my violin sounded off the whole time. is there anything that you would suggest? I bought a tuner and I would start to tune it and then i would get half way and it would still sound off. I would restart to tune it and all the strings would off again.
Thank you so much for your informative videos. I am 72 and I'm just learning the violin and taking lessons at our senior center. Your videos are just full of helpful hints and exercises for me to use in addition to my lessons. My teacher is very helpful but naturally she cannot devote a lot of time to me privately. Also, I'm learning to read music, this has been a real struggle for me. Just a hint for people, you can get a special prescription to help you see music on the stand better. I didn't know that before.
+bsnenninger You mean an eye glasses prescription? Yes, I"m afraid I'm going to need TRI-focals before long....reading books, reading music, and driving!!!
Hey, I have a "learn to read music" class SPECIAL for violin. Let me know if you would like to check it out. (or visit my website www.reddesertviolin.com Keep up the great work!!!
+Red Desert Violin I had cataract surgery so I don't need correction except for reading and now for music so my Dr. had me measure the distance to the music stand and he gave me a prescription just for those. They really are a big help. I will look at your website and the reading music class. Thank you By the way, there is a great site called Zenni where you can order eyeglasses at a fraction of the cost of some stores and it is really good. You might want to look at it.
+bsnenninger Thanks for that info! I will check into it!
But what can you do to prevent surface noise??
A certain amount of surface noise is normal for all violins. And in fact, some really GREAT violins have more surface noise because the violin body is so extremely resonant. If you stand 5 feet away from the violin, the tone overpowers the surface noise, so it's not a problem. BUT, if there is excessive surface noise or if it's really unpleasant, it could be that the violin needs a soundpost adjustment. It could be an open seam, or a change in weather, all sorts of things that a luthier could help you fix. Other than that, I'd maybe experiment with different strings. Find out what you currently have on your violin....are they synthetic, steel, or gut? Find out as much as you can, and then try something totally different. ALSO, you might have too much rosin on the bow, or it might be too light. (darker rosins will be less scratchy). FInally, if the bow is brand new, or if you just got a rehair, it needs to be broken in, and will be extremely crunchy until then. Good luck. Let me know what you discover so we can all learn!
@@loralynstaples5483 THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFO!!!!!!
I have a violin and I have no idea how old it is or how old the strings are... It's missing a string and squeaks a lot ...
Maybe time for new strings
New strings never hurt. Also, check the bridge. Make sure it is standing straight up. If you can get it to a violin shop and have them take a look it would help you alot. sometimes, if a vioiln is in bad shape, we think we can't play....but it's not even our fault! Good luck.
just broke my bridge in two while re-tuning the E string. Guess I had the sleeve a bit too flush. Be careful with that!.
Yikes. The violin is under lots of pressure......and sometimes accidents happen. Sorry about that. Hope you can get a new bridge soon.
I think when you slur from the A to E string the E string will whistle. Am I right?
YES, slurring makes it much more likely to whistle. Good observation!
I think you can slur with proper technique but the e string will still whistle.
***** Yes, but then, if you go through the check list of items in the video, you will probably eliminate the other causes, and should be good!
Only problems with open e string when I'm playing triple stops. Maybe it's the golden string cause. I'll find out.
I always had issues with gold E whistling. But others LOVE the gold E. Try changing the angle of your left hand slightly...sometimes we assume it's our bow hand...but it could be your left hand.
@@RedDesertViolin thanks. It stopped whistling after I changed to new rosin, silver string and bow hair.
is it possible that its the violin itself making it really squeaky?
**smacks palm of hand to my forehead. YES, Hounddd.......I should have led with that. Didn't I mention that? YES, if the bridge is out of whack, warped, leaning, or if the soundpost needs adjusted, or if something is pinching the tailpiece or the tailpiece gut....that can cause the E to squeak. Thanks for that.
Always whistles when I do quadruple stops on my down bow, help me
Quadruple stops are a big culprit...especially certain keys and intervals. (I can't recite which ones) You can experiment with your bow angle...if it is straight, try approaching the E string a little bit crooked....usually, I pull my frog toward me slightly rather than away from me. Also, you can experiiment with breaking the chord so that you really hit the E string firmly, so it "graps" and doesn't have a chance to go into a whistle. Let me know how these work for you!
@@RedDesertViolin Wow, thanks for the help! I've tried angling the bow then pulling it towards me when playing the E string and it seems to work for the most part. Just need to get used to doing it more naturally. Life saver considering how awful those Whistles sound in the Bach Chaconne...
@@brendanleng3942 YES!!! The Bach Chacconne is one of the most PERSISTENT whistling E pieces!!! Good luck!
All of my violin string sound nice except the e-string
I'm not playing a full-size violin in the violin I got to know $30 violin is that why it ain't sounding too good should I be trying to learn on a full-size violin
Hi Ben, full size will sound better, but if you are not big enough for a full size yet, it's better to wait until you are.
Why is my D string Squeaky? All string is good. Well, the G is difficult to get to the ring out. Realy clean strings. Maybe a cheap bow? Maybe to much rosin? No build up on strings.
It can be any of those things! I would first check: condition of the string, get a high quality string (Pro Arte or Dominant is good), make sure the bridge notch isn't pinching the string, make sure the bridge is standing straight up. Next, make sure you don't have too much rosin, or make sure your rosing is high quality, like a nice amber, jade, or dark green/black. (the light colored rosins are crunchy and can wreck your tone). As for cheap bow....I doubt that is causing the problem just on your D string. The other thing about D......is that it is harder to play on, because it has a string to each side of it, so the bow control must be excellent. (A string is the same thing, but it's easier because it is a thinner string so it cooperates more)
try googling silica gel and violin it looks like other ppl are doing it. also diatomaceous earth would work or any other dessicant
silica gel for moisture
Really? You mean......silica gel will humidify a violin inside the case?
Or are you saying it will ABSORB humidity?
it would naturally absorb I think...so would kitty litter
they are super cheap on eBay. I have thousands from when I worked in a screen print shop....plus you can reuse them by drying them in oven
Very interesting! Unfortunately, I have the opposite problem here....I am in a dry climate and need humidity for my violin. But my students in really wet climates will be glad to hear about this. Diatamacious earth, silica gel.....and....well, maybe not kitty litter! :-) I can just see it clumping in my case!
So that's what tube is for... haha
I was wondering why the manufacturers would be so cruel to put a straw there because it kept bouncing around and vibrating. (to my credit, at least I put it behind the bridge. lol)
You gave me a great laugh! The cruelty of string manufacturers is immeasurable!
Ah yes.. The tube thing.. I knew that.. Errr.. Totally.. Hadn't missed to even have it between the string and the bridge.. Whops..
Glad you discovered this. Minimize the amount of tube in front of the bridge, and it will help!
The best way to avoid the squeaky E string is playing the viola instead of a violin! No E string! So much better!
That is most definitely a cure for squeaky E strings!
But then you are the butt of viola jokes! ;-)
@@RedDesertViolin Who cares about those treblelovers? Viola sounds better than violin and that's it!
@@ricardomelonimartinsrosado7678 ;-)
Here's a cure...use a 009 Ernie Ball or similar make guitar string...they won't break as easily too. Oh and they have a less shrill tone and are more responsive. Violin E stings are a rip off.
Hmmmmm.....so, are you a professional violinist? And I presume you have tried the Ernie Ball guitar string? If the answers to both questions are a yes, then I will be compelled to try it for myself!
Red Desert Violin I'm not a professional and both my violins have Ernie Ball 009's E strings. I've also uses 008 gauge but little too thin for me. The difference is dramatic. Obviously you have to cut the sting own to size and there is no cloth around string at the end so getting the string to stay tight in the peg means you have to first double load into the peg ie in and around and then in again. They stay in tune after a little stretching and just have a less shrill tone whilst also being as responsive if not more responsive. You don't have to use Ernie Ball as I've tried various makes and all produced the desired effect. Professionals may baulk at stepping outside of the traditional and this may not compare tonally in regards to professional grade strings but I certainly prefer them to the Dominant's and Tonica's I've used. Tonica in particular have quality control issues imo and break far too easily. Give it a go on student violin at least and report back as I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
It's so annoying