Legit needed all ur liberal buddies to pull you aside for talking trash about a dead fireman at a rally.. you've gone from videogames to playing debate and political intellect.. of which you're a child at. You're the kid who pulls the n64 game out of the system when your losing.. even Cenk is trying to contribute to the new administration. You're a massive fool, when people said you wefe like a liberal ben shapiro on adderall it wasn't a compliment it meant you spoke fast. In person you praised ben as an intelect and looked like you almost wanted an autograph to then talking shit.. all you do is talk shit. Your shameful and the idea you are inflencing young people would also be a damn shame but you are temporary.. you got nothing to offer. Oh now you're talking shit bout PBD. lol all you do is talk shit.. youre a damn loser and when your go to deflection when in defense mode is to brag about your finances as proof of status and acconplishment because you failed at everything else of value in life thus far.. before you insult everybody and call trump pbd a fireman all losers.. look at yourself dude.. lol Your peak moment in your "career" was debating mionopolis. Youre a fad with nothin of value to offer as far as im concerned. Even Cenk has more to offer and i cant stand him. I vaguely remember towards the end or seeing your annoying ass with jordan peterson... Wheb he sincerely questioned why you take on debates and issues, sincerely questioning your agenda it seemed.. because you my dude stand for nothing. Nothing.
You don't answer questions or admit to your wrongs in debates ever since you are more interested in acting like a girl as Destiny than manning up to the truth lmfao. Moving them chops on your face at a fast rate like a tweaker to ramble about stuff doesn't make you a transparent debator lol. 😂🤣
Well he would prefer his son to be like Andrew Tate and not like Destiny. He prefers his son be a sex trafficker than a man who's comfortable with his sexuality
honestly I like lichtman more cause he actually puts a prediction out there and then has to eat it when he's wrong. people like Cenk positions themselves to never be wrong so they can grandstand when the bad thing happens
He's been wrong ONE TIME. People act like he's been wrong his entire life just because it makes THEM feel better about how shitty their own life is. How about, stop bickering and bitching about an election that is over and worry about the next election? I guess that would be too hard though.
@ I think this key was the biggest culprit here because not only has the world been moving away from establishment candidates, Trump and Harris are both complicated candidates as far as incumbency goes. Trump having already served and Harris replacing the incumbent candidate so late while being on the ticket already. Whole thing was just crazy
If you change Lichtman's economy key from "Is the economy good" to "Do people have a positive opinion on the economy", to account for people being idiots/ social media spamming misinformation, then Lichtman's system would have predicted Trump. Which is pretty solid.
@howdareyou41 Incredibly close huh. More extreme circumstances and if we adjust for voters base growth ... Harris has 9-10 million less votes than she shouldve got based on 2020 votes.
@@axe863 It's close in the sense Harris only lost the important swing states by less than 100k votes because that's how US elections work for some reason.
Shame exited Cenk's life years ago. But it's hilarious how him and Ana are actually sounding somewhat reasonable these days, only because the rest of the left has completely lost their marbles.
One of my favorite things about that movie is that Judge decided to have some characters wear Crocs because he thought they were the dumbest shoes ever made. I don't think he actually thought that part would be true.
It has always been like this. It is just that the internet makes it easier for us revert to our most base form. Remember we are just monkeys with a big brain, and monkey with a big brain is still just a monkey.
@@vger9186lmao if we implement a sugar tax we’d solve more problems about obesity and health over any dye or substitute we have but the Republican Party is incapable of doing the most simple task because it would affect their oligarchs
Lictman had a great track record but things change. The world changed and people's perceptions changed. We all live in a haze of half-truths and misinformation because of corporate media, especially on the right, and the internet where there are no rules or scruples. There's no reason to taunt or be smug about it.
Cenk is the living embodiment of smugness. The guy is just as egotistical as Trump. Both Ana and Cenk spent the last 4 years misrepresenting Biden and Harris to their primarily leftist audience effectively discouraging people from even taking part in the election - and woah wouldn't you know it. We had low voter turn out. Not saying that they're the sole cause, but they're one part of the problem.
The combination of gutting education and mental health facilities probably did far more than any haze did. As an Indian individual realizing Los Angeles had more people shitting in broad daylight in the street than I had seen in Delhi same year really confused me. I understand why this is an issue in India, does Los Angeles also not have plumbing now?
Not sure how closely you've followed Allen but I've done my research on him and I will say he's incredibly smug and arrogant and thinks his work is above reproach. Interviews instantly go off the rails any time anyone pushes back on any of his stances or point out times in the past where he has been factually wrong. He denies all of it as misformation (which is a blatant lie) becasue he treats criticism of any kind as blasphemy. And now he tried to use the American voters as a scapegoat to explain why his model failed this time around which is pretty f***ing disgusting. There's zero introspection whatsoever on his end and on his model (which is the expected response of a narcissistic elitist). But because Destiny is friendly with him and is frankly, ignorant of his work, most of the comments here are defending Allen to essentially just parrot Destiny's ignorant take.
Why does Uyguyr think he has the right to be so smug and nasty about his political analyses and predictions when he's been wrong more often than he's been right? All he does is simp for some amorphous, abstract, naive, notion of "populism", yet he got utterly destroyed (with a media empire behind him) in the primary phase of the special election for California's 25th back in 2020, a fact no one ever seems to throw in his face. The dude has a massive ego so I'd love to see him have to grapple in real time between conceding that he's a shitty, unlikable, abrasive, candidate or that progressive-populism isn't always the auto-win.
I agree and honestly people are taking this Alan Lichtman thing too far The dude gets one wrong and everybody is jumping on his back like they haven't been wrong way more
@@ftgvn I guess his Keys had been almost enshrined as this absolute and infallible predictor and now that he got one wrong (again, exempting the Gore one for obvious reasons), and with people enraged over these results, he's one of the easy targets on whom to unload all of this irrational blame and resentment that they're feeling. Just a whole lot of 'I told you so' and shoulda done this or that.
I've followed Allen's work and have research him extensively. Trust me when I say this... he's incredibly prideful, arrogant, and egotistcal. He's also lied, backtracked and done revisionist history when originally claiming his key system would also predict the popular vote. Interviews instantly go off the rails anytime someone so much as questions any of his work or point out possible flaws in his model. He can't handle any criticism because he thinks his work is above reproach. Every single reason he gave for why his keys missed was external, not internal because he is incapable of doing any introspection. The reason his keys failed is because they don't tap into how the American people feel about both candidates and the policies that have been enacted over the last 4 years. Destiny, to be frank, is incredibly ignorant of Allen's history and has been friendly with him so most of Destiny's followers have just parroted back Destiny's ignorance in the comment thread rather than doing their own research. I don't llke Cenk, but literally all he said at the beginning of the interview was, "Allen was wrong and I was right" in regard to his keys. And that was all it took for Allen to go ballistic and equate that to a "personal attack".
@@superdog1227 Oh he definitely showed a really nasty side of himself here regardless of his history with Uyguyr or how personally insulted he felt; nothing worse than an academic touting his education, accomplishments, and status. But yeah I watch more alternative media, and like most people on the left, used to be a consumer of TyT so I'm pretty well fed up with Cenk Uyguyr's shtick, whereas the Professor hasn't been around online media for that long and he at least tends to comport himself in a fairly composed manner so he's a lot easier to tolerate.
@@lord-yaoi Have you even watched any of Allen's other interviews? He's incredibly pompous and gets very combative when the interviewer starts questioning his logic and points out possible holes in his reasoning. He's literally on record lying and then labeling it as "misinformation" when confronted about it in an interview.
I watch TYT regularly, and never saw Cenk say that. He did say Biden had zero chance, which never got tested but post-election polling suggests it would've been a blowout loss instead of narrow (which affected down-ballot races).
@@il400he was allegedly getting paid a bunch of money from Russia, but that doesn't really prove any crime in and of itself. It could have just been some rich Russian dude that likes his show a lot.
@@JayDude1997 some third party to a business he was working with to license content is alleged to be Russian If he betrayed the country, he'd be in a Biden prison cell Not even been charged with anything due to how far removed he was If the same thing happened to Pacman, then would say the same
I don't place much value in the Lichtman keys but they have subjective elements. Professor Litchtman said that in favor of Harris there were no major Biden scandals or social disruption. But arguably the gaslighting over Biden's cognitive decline was a major scandal and the free Palestine protests were significant social disorder. In short, one could argue that Lichtman incorrectly applied some of his own keys.
@potatoweaver4116 For me the main problem was Harris came in too late, like 2-3 months while Trump has been campaigning for his re election since 2021. You can't start studying for the exam 1 week before and expect to score higher than the guy who has been slogging for 1 year (especially when you have the feminine hurdle among some men)
Lichtman's keys concept is still pretty valid. He just misjudged the way inflation and Biden dropping out would have on them. Contrary to popular belief the keys aren't subjective, they have very strict definitions. It was Lichtman's unwillingness to change his model that messed up his prediction.
I think so too. they've predicted enough to at least warrant some respect as a model. its not a crystal ball. everyone losing their minds over such petty nonsense
Allan did say that he can't change his model on the fly before the election, meaning he won't know if any election is unprecedented enough for the keys until afterwards. Now that this election happened, he could maybe change the model to adapt to the current political landscape
@@DaNormie He definitely needs to re-examine the keys to account for this new data point. Overall, I don't see why so many people are so hostile towards the keys. If they're true, all it means is that the American people care more about governing and objective outcomes than campaigning and all the horse race stuff the news focuses on.
@@walterhoward5512 It sounds pretty obvious to me why people are being hostile to the keys. They went against Trump, so the MAGA crowd is jumping up and down to hate them. The Fuck-America segment of the left wants to do victory laps around the based establishment dems so they're shitting on it. Once you stop looking at it as "people have actual concrete problems with this evaluation system" and start looking at it as "This is a vehicle to scream DNC BAAD" then it all checks out.
It's called spreading misinformation. If he says "Trump was having a good time and Kamala was depressed and bleh" enough times, and it circulates, it will *become truth* in their circles. And people vote based on vibes, so...
There was joy in the beginning, then Kamala and tell went back to the old faithful “Trump is a fascist” and he should never be behind the seal of POTUS
@@MithosDagon Ok sure, but by that logic, then Trump wasn't having fun either. His rallies were full of rhetoric about immigrants "poisoning the blood of our country", "the enemy within", and how democrats are "demonic" (which, as an aside, is how fascists in history have talked)
I'm really getting tired of seeing all these comments acting as if Allen doesn't have a massive ego. I've done extensive research on Allen and can confirm that is incredibly arrogant and prideful based how he handles interviews that don't just stroke his ego. Destiny is ignorant on Allen and most of his followers just his parrot his ignorance instead of looking into the issue for themselves.
Lichtman saying "I got it wrong" but then immediately following it up with "because the voters are irrational and social media", you aren't actually acknowledging a mistake. You're just blaming others for your mistake. 🤷🏻♂️ Actual acknowledgement would be saying something to the effect of "I misinterpreted my model" or "My model is less relevant because it was trained on stale/out of date data." Correlations change over time, that's statistics 101. Allen got too comfortable coasting rather than consistently retraining his model. Irrational people have always and will always exist. Regardless of how you interpret what irrational or diluted means, it has always existed. Just because you see more of what you believe to be irrational or diluted behavior on social media today doesn't mean it stops if social media goes away, nor does it mean that it wasn't there before social media. Its just more visible because everyone can hold the megaphone.
I mean tbf I don’t think in comparison to the past 10 elections the American public has fallen so easily for misinformation and being grossly ignorant in the candidates. There’s a threshold for how uninformed the American public can be but we have lost any semblance of a democracy and have ushered in idiocracy.
Problem is the keys are subjective. Using his model I gave Trump the overwhelming victory. Allan’s an old guy and still holds the mindset that there’s truth and misinformation, and MSNBC is gonna give you the truth and X is gonna give you the misinformation. Doesn’t cross his mind that his answers to the keys might be subjective and influenced by his own biases.
Yeah he just lied about Trump having fun. Republicans railed against Kamala and her messaging of hope and joy. They reiterated how serious and dire things were and Trump being the more serious candidate. Now, post election, they are saying he was actually the one having more fun and happy and that’s why he won? It’s just more shameless lying.
@@itachiuchiha5771it’s funny how the person who was correct is the stupid one and the people who were wrong about the outcome are the super smart people 🤓
Really didn't feel Alan was that smug. He was just saying he has a research method as opposed to armchair quarterbacking like other pundits. Is his system flawed? Sure, it's politics things are going to change, but if you are researching political outcomes you need to have a methodology and its been proven to be accurate in the past. I see nothing wrong with this
"He was just saying he has a research method as opposed to armchair quarterbacking like other pundits." We already have working research methods. They're called polls.
@@crazyguywatchnu you and PBD have a case of the TULS: Trump unconditional love syndrome. It’s where nearly always no matter what he says you agree with and if the odd occasion you don’t agree you will make excuses. Exactly like a wife in a toxic relationship who refuses to leave her husband.
Thing is, the Professor was probably right in his assessment, but didn’t properly adjust for inflation and the global impact that it had on incumbents.
@ I agree. Democrats didn’t do a good enough job celebrating the wins of administration. They didn’t do a good enough job of explaining the plan forward.
Yeah, he mightve just fumbled his keys but the keys themselves were still the same and alright... But its possible that some keys must be changed for the new context
The mere fact that the keys suggested Biden should rerun for presidency points to some serious flaws in his model. But Allen's pride makes him incapable of any level of introspection.
Cenk may be idiotic from time to time but to compare him to Alex Jones is fucking insane. As far as I can remember Cenk never incited such a deep harassment against traumatized people till the point one of them committed suicide.
Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but I don't remember Lichtman ever saying 'it has to be' anyone. When biden was the candidate he applied his keys to biden, when kamala wad the candidate he applied the keys to her.
Oh, the keys, the keys, They hold the power to appease, Unlocking doors, a sacred plea, To lose them feels like blasphemy. Each one shaped with purpose true, A secret kept, a task to do. They guard the dreams we long to see, Yet losing them births blasphemy. Oh, the keys, the keys, Their jingle whispers on the breeze, Symbols of hope and destiny, Misplaced, they scream of blasphemy. Lost keys bring a moment's dread, Regrets and curses fill our head. But find them, and the heart’s set free, No longer bound by blasphemy. Oh, the keys, the keys, Their power humbles, their weight agrees. Keep them safe, their legacy, Or face the shadow of blasphemy.
21:30 He said that in his stream after the election, that he might reconsider some things in his system, since misinformation was, in his opinion, such a huge factor.
My personal take is that, beyond all the allegations against Elon Musk, this election involved too many variables that Lichtman likely never accounted for. A sitting President dropped out mid-election after the first official debate; a successor was essentially anointed without any official contest; she was a female candidate running against a former POTUS who was openly determined to win at any cost-and didn’t hide it. Add to this the involvement of Elon Musk and the bold methods he reportedly used to support Trump. Moreover, there were numerous positive indicators suggesting Harris was poised to win, one of which was the widespread attention given to Lichtman’s methods, which he demonstrated brilliantly. These factors likely led Democrats to adopt a more relaxed approach, failing to mobilize fully for the vote. In light of this, I would say: leave the Professor alone.
Lichtman has no credibility and he used the word Blasphemy in regard to himself. What a maroon. He wrote 13 books and has 51 years of being a professor and he still can't get it right.
Cenk might be an unhinged maverick but god damn if we don't need people like him. I hope him and Mr. Borelli has many fruitful conversations going forward!
@@lordkingaling4253he simply ignored the charisma and economic keys. Idk why he would say trumps not charismatic even if you don’t like him he clearly is .
@@lordkingaling4253He admits he was wrong and attributed most of his wrong call to the unexpected storm of unprecedented disinformation (including info being openly pushed by the richest man on earth. Which doesn't really happen all too often from his experience. Then again, he also hasn't experienced a sitting president that has attempted a coup. Not only attempt a coup for the first time in american history, but also wasn't really punished at all for it). Uniformed voters, yeah. But uncontrolled disinformation with no consequences from anyone anywhere as well as blatant political interference from musk and more covertly russia.
He was wrong in his 2016 prediction and retroactively changed it to be correct after the 2016 results. He’s been wrong in the last 2 out of 3 Presidential elections
If Allan just had a modicum of humility, he wouldn’t be getting roasted in this manner. The problem isn’t that he’s wrong, but his enormous ego. “Blasphemy against me.” 😂
@@lifeguard4356If he were an otherwise humble man, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt on that statement. But he definitely has some kind of god complex.
@@brettstarks1846 Blaspheme literally means "speaking ill," "impious speech," or "slander," essentially "to speak evil of." It’s just old-guy talk for slander, cut him some slack.
@@brettstarks1846 listen I watch his show he has said repeatedly that he was wrong and has said why he was wrong. Like it or not he has authority over the topic of politics. His record speaks itself. I not saying you have to agree with him but saying he has a God complex is absurd. Does Cenk have PHD? No? Ok then.
@rhinocore the populace elected a convicted felon that tried to overturn the last election and has since stated policy plans so atrocious that his advocates excuse to still vote for him the guardrails held last time. Sorry, but that isn't rational.
I used to watch Destiny for his unbias take on stuff but now he's just lost. His bias, delusion and losing narrative that he wants to push is so cringe.
When have you ever been under the impression that he's unbiased? He's obviously biased, heavily, and he always has been. However, if you did listen to him in the past, you should know that he encourages you to do your own research in addition to listening to him speak on topics. This isn't a destiny change, this is a you change, and coming to terms with the fact you're not ideologically aligned with him. And that's okay!
@@dyaoxnisit's definitely a destiny change, stop glazing him you know he's not gonna sleep with you. He went from being fact and evidence based to twisting facts to fit his narrative. Just because the right does it too doesn't make it right
@@Meeces55 Even back when vaush was being talked about on this channel, he even said he uses facts to justify his position. Just like every op-ed does. I'm sure he'll descend from his dgg throne and come into youtube comments to suck me off. I appreciate you being wrong and giving me the exposure so Destiny can witness. You having your weird parasocial behavior doesn't mean that the answer wasn't in front of you all along. Good day.
@13:00 I dont know if it matters what reagan's state of mind was, we didn't have 4k video and TV's in every house with an internet connection at that time. we had to take the press at their word
@@YeSureWhatever We don't KNOW-know yet . Was hoping there'd be a video up of him covering it. It's good habit to ask for confirmation like youre doing frfr.
If you watched the entire debate destiny Lichtman said he was wrong but also contradicted himself by saying cenk was not right and he was not wrong when cenk said “I was right you were wrong”. He’s ok saying I was wrong but as soon as someone else says they were right he flip flops.
12:34 so your first problem is that you're lying, he never said it's definitive, and your second problem 12:47 is that you're still lying, Trump didn't win to Biden in 2020.
They don't care about anything except for who you vote for. You could be a 200 IQ billionaire who cured cancer and the left would shit on you if you came out as anti big government.
@@angelmorales4413 Not true at all. There are plenty of GOPers that he would vote for. It's just that they keep getting kicked out of the party because they aren't inside Trump's ass enough. I can almost guarantee if the election was between Mitt Romney and Kamala he would have voted Mitt. You keep moving the goal posts though. OOOH Mitt? He's a RINO. Text book No True Scotsman
@@howdareyou41 Not really at that point.. go to 5:30, and see for yourself. At that moment Destiny was just only talking about PBD voting "independent" currently and I tend to agree that in US currently "independent" is republican from what I've seen. But Destiny's comment really was that "independent" would never have voted democrats and he was mistaken on that exact point. People evolve, change allegiance. May be PBD turned right ? In any case, I'm totally external to this. What do I know ? I'm not even an American or staying in US, I'm an Indian national residing in Europe. I have no horses in this race. ,😅
Allan L literally admitted he was wrong the night of the election. Not only that but he did say a few times it wasn’t impossible his keys could be wrong, but they had a really strong track record of being right and he’d only change them if they’re wrong a few times. I do think he presents them over confidently. Also this idiot doesn’t even understand the dudes system “a lot of the keys have to do with the incumbency” no dumbass, theyre designed to measure the strength of the incumbent party, only 1 key really has to do with it being the incumbent running or not.
@@franklingoodwin I see that you also lack comprehension skills just like Cenk. Literally not 1 sentence that I typed here indicated that I believed in his system. I called the Cenk a dumbass for talking about the system when he clearly doesn't understand how the system works. He demonstrated this multiple times. Do 5 minutes of research on the system like a professional should do before opening your mouth on it is all that I ask.
😂😂😂 Of course he was wrong, he said his keys predict that Kamala Harris would win. And she got BTFO’ed. His keys were subjective and could have also predicted a Trump win
@@franklingoodwin I'm sorry, what part of what I said here indicates that I believe in his system? My criticism is with Cenk talking out of his ass and not even bothering to take 5 minutes to understand the system he's criticizing. He demonstrates this even more so later in the segment when he starts saying that the keys are going to tell dems who to nominate in 4 years, which is not at all relevant to the system. Think before you speak is a lesson both of you should learn sooner rather than later.
Lichtman’s argument is that he believes his keys were accurate but issues not covered by the keys, outside of their control determined the election ultimately. His prediction was wrong and this is his developing assessment as to why. If he’s wrong, he’s wrong and I think he’s welcome to alternate ideas to that conclusion. Lichtman welcomes critiques and questions about his keys. He literally does a Q&A every stream to that fact. What he won’t tolerate is bloviating slander and insults from blowhards like Cenk.
Lmao Destiny after PBD says he's registered independent: "criiiiiinge you're never voting democrat bro", then he unpauses the video and PBD immediately says "and I voted Bill Clinton, and I think Bill Clinton was a good president!" And Destiny keeps watching, not realizing he just got proved immediately wrong lool
@jessieurena7583 he's not. Neither was harris. The ones he got "wrong" were the economy keys. By the numbers and stats, he was right, but if the entire voting block thinks the economy is in a recession, even though its not, than those 2 economy keys are compromised. Both economy keys being false would have given harris 6 false keys, making trump the predicted winner
@@steveng6704 Exactly. Harris was ''new'' but she gave the biggest establishment vibes, while Trumps whole identity is being the anti establishment challenger, Trump could rule as an immortal god emperor for 100 years and hed still be the challenger
Destiny, I was a teenager in the second part of Reagan’s term and remember they didn’t have social media and much less people had cable tekevidion. Plus, as a natural actor, if he just remembered a few lines he was probably ok in public.
His system only has a good record by him setting it up to correctly guess every obvious landslide and then winning a handful of weighted coin flips. It’s the epitome of bad unreplicable science.
- Destiny tries to predict a canned answer from PBD, ends up agreeing with what he said, then trying to dismiss his point. - Destiny sees PBD making more good points, brings up an old clip as a ad hominem attack, claiming it’s fake to discredit PBD because he can’t argue against his points. Pulls up clip and then it’s very different from what Destiny paraphrased, and it does not appear from his body language and tonality that he’s lying. I’m only ten minutes in. Destiny does that second trick all the time, selectively remembers something, or selectively forgets things, if it doesn’t align with his predetermined ideology or position on an issue.
The "keys" aren't the issue. The calling of the keys is subjective. Lictman said, concerning the key of charisma, that Trump was not charismatic. That's his personal opinion getting in the way of calling the key realistically. So it's only natural he makes a false prediction.
At this point you basically have open boarders destroying your civil society and culture. Soon you'll be like the UK and your cultural values and morality will be erased and replaced by Islamic cultures and bs.
Cenk and Lichtman have so much in common. I wished he would realize that. But unlike Cenk Lichtman is at least able to admit his mistakes. Cenk just blames the donors.
I am positive PBD is lying about the tax assessor just charging him $67K out of nowhere. It’s more likely he was cheating on his taxes by underreporting his revenue. Then he made the mistake of reinvesting much of that revenue on his own business, and they caught him. Notice he has no specifics about the story, like what agency the assessor was from, or anything really.
I’m almost certain you don’t read these comments, but I think you and us (i.e. your audience) might enjoy and find interesting Hank Greens latest video on populism and our current media situation. Without wanting to put words into his mouth, he generally agrees with your analysis on how fucked up our current media landscape is but provides some very interesting yet also somehow obvious historical context. Worth watching and sharing imho.
You can tell that PBD story is made up because the natural progression of being asked "you'd rather your son grows up to be ok with his wife cheating on him" would obviously be to return with "that is still 100% better than being a sex trafficker" 🤷♂️
13:40 This is coming from someone that literally gives off abusive rhetoric and a cocky attitude. Dude's like in his 50s talking the way he does, which is stupid
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You're a massive tool dude..
Legit needed all ur liberal buddies to pull you aside for talking trash about a dead fireman at a rally.. you've gone from videogames to playing debate and political intellect.. of which you're a child at. You're the kid who pulls the n64 game out of the system when your losing.. even Cenk is trying to contribute to the new administration. You're a massive fool, when people said you wefe like a liberal ben shapiro on adderall it wasn't a compliment it meant you spoke fast. In person you praised ben as an intelect and looked like you almost wanted an autograph to then talking shit.. all you do is talk shit. Your shameful and the idea you are inflencing young people would also be a damn shame but you are temporary.. you got nothing to offer. Oh now you're talking shit bout PBD. lol all you do is talk shit.. youre a damn loser and when your go to deflection when in defense mode is to brag about your finances as proof of status and acconplishment because you failed at everything else of value in life thus far.. before you insult everybody and call trump pbd a fireman all losers.. look at yourself dude.. lol Your peak moment in your "career" was debating mionopolis. Youre a fad with nothin of value to offer as far as im concerned. Even Cenk has more to offer and i cant stand him. I vaguely remember towards the end or seeing your annoying ass with jordan peterson... Wheb he sincerely questioned why you take on debates and issues, sincerely questioning your agenda it seemed.. because you my dude stand for nothing. Nothing.
Goddamn you're pathetic lol
holy
You don't answer questions or admit to your wrongs in debates ever since you are more interested in acting like a girl as Destiny than manning up to the truth lmfao. Moving them chops on your face at a fast rate like a tweaker to ramble about stuff doesn't make you a transparent debator lol. 😂🤣
patrick bet david does not give a shit about any issues besides lower taxes for himself and his insurance ghouls
Absolutely. It’s all about money with this guy. He’s a businessman and that’s as far as his logic will ever go.
@@chad2304I mean I’ll give you that but he also does want the US to become a Judeo-Christian nation state
cheap car salesman idk how he became popular
@@CoolHandLuke196 California did it's citizens a great service getting that MLM conman out of their state
Well he would prefer his son to be like Andrew Tate and not like Destiny. He prefers his son be a sex trafficker than a man who's comfortable with his sexuality
honestly I like lichtman more cause he actually puts a prediction out there and then has to eat it when he's wrong. people like Cenk positions themselves to never be wrong so they can grandstand when the bad thing happens
He's been wrong ONE TIME. People act like he's been wrong his entire life just because it makes THEM feel better about how shitty their own life is. How about, stop bickering and bitching about an election that is over and worry about the next election? I guess that would be too hard though.
The incumbency key failed worldwide. I'm curious to see how Lichtman incorporates that new data point.
@ I think this key was the biggest culprit here because not only has the world been moving away from establishment candidates, Trump and Harris are both complicated candidates as far as incumbency goes. Trump having already served and Harris replacing the incumbent candidate so late while being on the ticket already. Whole thing was just crazy
I can’t believe you guys are defending lichan here when cenk %100 schooled him
He was right tho .. probable is the keys doesn’t account for race and gender
If you change Lichtman's economy key from "Is the economy good" to "Do people have a positive opinion on the economy", to account for people being idiots/ social media spamming misinformation, then Lichtman's system would have predicted Trump. Which is pretty solid.
It was also an incredibly close election. Much closer than 2020.
@howdareyou41 Incredibly close huh. More extreme circumstances and if we adjust for voters base growth ... Harris has 9-10 million less votes than she shouldve got based on 2020 votes.
@@howdareyou41Harris underperformed Biden in almost every single county in the US. 2020 is a massive outlier for whatever reason but still.
@@axe863 It's close in the sense Harris only lost the important swing states by less than 100k votes because that's how US elections work for some reason.
@@axe863she’s up to 74M now compared to Bidens 81M in 2020. Don’t know where you’re pulling that number from
Cenk shamelessly farming clips.
Yeah, but in this rare...RARE case... I'm kinda all for it. This is legit hilarious
stop getting ya panties in a bunch
Shame exited Cenk's life years ago. But it's hilarious how him and Ana are actually sounding somewhat reasonable these days, only because the rest of the left has completely lost their marbles.
@@HasturBeta Cenk pulling out his keys and jingling them was peak.
I mean that’s the name of the game in the current media sphere unfortunately. Gotta get viewers somehow
Idiocracy was a prophecy. People are caring more for likes and views over actually saying stuff that makes sense.
One of my favorite things about that movie is that Judge decided to have some characters wear Crocs because he thought they were the dumbest shoes ever made. I don't think he actually thought that part would be true.
quiet I'm 'baitin
It has always been like this. It is just that the internet makes it easier for us revert to our most base form. Remember we are just monkeys with a big brain, and monkey with a big brain is still just a monkey.
The left focused so hard on taking aunt jamima off the bottle they forgot about the toxins in the syrup and the price of the product.
@@vger9186lmao if we implement a sugar tax we’d solve more problems about obesity and health over any dye or substitute we have but the Republican Party is incapable of doing the most simple task because it would affect their oligarchs
Lictman had a great track record but things change. The world changed and people's perceptions changed. We all live in a haze of half-truths and misinformation because of corporate media, especially on the right, and the internet where there are no rules or scruples. There's no reason to taunt or be smug about it.
Cenk is the living embodiment of smugness. The guy is just as egotistical as Trump. Both Ana and Cenk spent the last 4 years misrepresenting Biden and Harris to their primarily leftist audience effectively discouraging people from even taking part in the election - and woah wouldn't you know it. We had low voter turn out. Not saying that they're the sole cause, but they're one part of the problem.
The combination of gutting education and mental health facilities probably did far more than any haze did. As an Indian individual realizing Los Angeles had more people shitting in broad daylight in the street than I had seen in Delhi same year really confused me. I understand why this is an issue in India, does Los Angeles also not have plumbing now?
Not sure how closely you've followed Allen but I've done my research on him and I will say he's incredibly smug and arrogant and thinks his work is above reproach. Interviews instantly go off the rails any time anyone pushes back on any of his stances or point out times in the past where he has been factually wrong. He denies all of it as misformation (which is a blatant lie) becasue he treats criticism of any kind as blasphemy. And now he tried to use the American voters as a scapegoat to explain why his model failed this time around which is pretty f***ing disgusting. There's zero introspection whatsoever on his end and on his model (which is the expected response of a narcissistic elitist). But because Destiny is friendly with him and is frankly, ignorant of his work, most of the comments here are defending Allen to essentially just parrot Destiny's ignorant take.
Thank you! Most people don't understand that.
Why does Uyguyr think he has the right to be so smug and nasty about his political analyses and predictions when he's been wrong more often than he's been right? All he does is simp for some amorphous, abstract, naive, notion of "populism", yet he got utterly destroyed (with a media empire behind him) in the primary phase of the special election for California's 25th back in 2020, a fact no one ever seems to throw in his face. The dude has a massive ego so I'd love to see him have to grapple in real time between conceding that he's a shitty, unlikable, abrasive, candidate or that progressive-populism isn't always the auto-win.
I agree and honestly people are taking this Alan Lichtman thing too far
The dude gets one wrong and everybody is jumping on his back like they haven't been wrong way more
@@ftgvn I guess his Keys had been almost enshrined as this absolute and infallible predictor and now that he got one wrong (again, exempting the Gore one for obvious reasons), and with people enraged over these results, he's one of the easy targets on whom to unload all of this irrational blame and resentment that they're feeling. Just a whole lot of 'I told you so' and shoulda done this or that.
I've followed Allen's work and have research him extensively. Trust me when I say this... he's incredibly prideful, arrogant, and egotistcal. He's also lied, backtracked and done revisionist history when originally claiming his key system would also predict the popular vote. Interviews instantly go off the rails anytime someone so much as questions any of his work or point out possible flaws in his model. He can't handle any criticism because he thinks his work is above reproach. Every single reason he gave for why his keys missed was external, not internal because he is incapable of doing any introspection. The reason his keys failed is because they don't tap into how the American people feel about both candidates and the policies that have been enacted over the last 4 years. Destiny, to be frank, is incredibly ignorant of Allen's history and has been friendly with him so most of Destiny's followers have just parroted back Destiny's ignorance in the comment thread rather than doing their own research. I don't llke Cenk, but literally all he said at the beginning of the interview was, "Allen was wrong and I was right" in regard to his keys. And that was all it took for Allen to go ballistic and equate that to a "personal attack".
@@superdog1227 Oh he definitely showed a really nasty side of himself here regardless of his history with Uyguyr or how personally insulted he felt; nothing worse than an academic touting his education, accomplishments, and status.
But yeah I watch more alternative media, and like most people on the left, used to be a consumer of TyT so I'm pretty well fed up with Cenk Uyguyr's shtick, whereas the Professor hasn't been around online media for that long and he at least tends to comport himself in a fairly composed manner so he's a lot easier to tolerate.
@@lord-yaoi Have you even watched any of Allen's other interviews? He's incredibly pompous and gets very combative when the interviewer starts questioning his logic and points out possible holes in his reasoning. He's literally on record lying and then labeling it as "misinformation" when confronted about it in an interview.
Cenk said anybody but Biden would win against Trump and was wrong about that.
I watch TYT regularly, and never saw Cenk say that. He did say Biden had zero chance, which never got tested but post-election polling suggests it would've been a blowout loss instead of narrow (which affected down-ballot races).
He said anyone but Biden would have a better chance.
Tim Pool is a traitor's name
Who did he betray and how
@@il400 The united states, and by willingly taking russian money.
@@il400he was allegedly getting paid a bunch of money from Russia, but that doesn't really prove any crime in and of itself. It could have just been some rich Russian dude that likes his show a lot.
@@JayDude1997 some third party to a business he was working with to license content is alleged to be Russian
If he betrayed the country, he'd be in a Biden prison cell
Not even been charged with anything due to how far removed he was
If the same thing happened to Pacman, then would say the same
@@JayDude1997slander the DOJ didn’t ever imply he knew he was taking money knowingly.
I don't place much value in the Lichtman keys but they have subjective elements. Professor Litchtman said that in favor of Harris there were no major Biden scandals or social disruption. But arguably the gaslighting over Biden's cognitive decline was a major scandal and the free Palestine protests were significant social disorder. In short, one could argue that Lichtman incorrectly applied some of his own keys.
I agree, he assumed voters would see Harris has a separate entity to Biden but they really didnt
@potatoweaver4116 For me the main problem was Harris came in too late, like 2-3 months while Trump has been campaigning for his re election since 2021. You can't start studying for the exam 1 week before and expect to score higher than the guy who has been slogging for 1 year (especially when you have the feminine hurdle among some men)
Lichtman's keys concept is still pretty valid. He just misjudged the way inflation and Biden dropping out would have on them. Contrary to popular belief the keys aren't subjective, they have very strict definitions. It was Lichtman's unwillingness to change his model that messed up his prediction.
I think so too. they've predicted enough to at least warrant some respect as a model. its not a crystal ball. everyone losing their minds over such petty nonsense
Allan did say that he can't change his model on the fly before the election, meaning he won't know if any election is unprecedented enough for the keys until afterwards.
Now that this election happened, he could maybe change the model to adapt to the current political landscape
@@DaNormie He definitely needs to re-examine the keys to account for this new data point.
Overall, I don't see why so many people are so hostile towards the keys. If they're true, all it means is that the American people care more about governing and objective outcomes than campaigning and all the horse race stuff the news focuses on.
@@walterhoward5512 It sounds pretty obvious to me why people are being hostile to the keys. They went against Trump, so the MAGA crowd is jumping up and down to hate them. The Fuck-America segment of the left wants to do victory laps around the based establishment dems so they're shitting on it. Once you stop looking at it as "people have actual concrete problems with this evaluation system" and start looking at it as "This is a vehicle to scream DNC BAAD" then it all checks out.
Im sure he WAS pretty accurate, but the zeal behind Trump’s movement is something that has blindsided everyone
Gas leak at TYT gets worse and worse
"Trump won because he was having fun" Wasn't Kamala's whole vibe joy and laughter?
Trump looked defeated every time I swa him
It's called spreading misinformation. If he says "Trump was having a good time and Kamala was depressed and bleh" enough times, and it circulates, it will *become truth* in their circles. And people vote based on vibes, so...
There was joy in the beginning, then Kamala and tell went back to the old faithful “Trump is a fascist” and he should never be behind the seal of POTUS
Kamala's campaign seemed more like doom and gloom. Like the world is going to end if you don't vote for me
@@MithosDagon Ok sure, but by that logic, then Trump wasn't having fun either. His rallies were full of rhetoric about immigrants "poisoning the blood of our country", "the enemy within", and how democrats are "demonic" (which, as an aside, is how fascists in history have talked)
Why doesnt TYT get air conditioning? Every time i see Cenk he looks like he just stepped out of a sauna.
"To much ego." as she sits across from Cenk 😂
I'm really getting tired of seeing all these comments acting as if Allen doesn't have a massive ego. I've done extensive research on Allen and can confirm that is incredibly arrogant and prideful based how he handles interviews that don't just stroke his ego. Destiny is ignorant on Allen and most of his followers just his parrot his ignorance instead of looking into the issue for themselves.
Lichtman saying "I got it wrong" but then immediately following it up with "because the voters are irrational and social media", you aren't actually acknowledging a mistake. You're just blaming others for your mistake. 🤷🏻♂️
Actual acknowledgement would be saying something to the effect of "I misinterpreted my model" or "My model is less relevant because it was trained on stale/out of date data."
Correlations change over time, that's statistics 101. Allen got too comfortable coasting rather than consistently retraining his model.
Irrational people have always and will always exist. Regardless of how you interpret what irrational or diluted means, it has always existed. Just because you see more of what you believe to be irrational or diluted behavior on social media today doesn't mean it stops if social media goes away, nor does it mean that it wasn't there before social media. Its just more visible because everyone can hold the megaphone.
EXACTLY!!!! The factors he used completely negate certain factors. For example, the incumbent advantage AND economy.
Is there a model that can predict delusion ?
if voters are living in a different reality that isn't a problem with his model. it's a problem with society.
I mean tbf I don’t think in comparison to the past 10 elections the American public has fallen so easily for misinformation and being grossly ignorant in the candidates. There’s a threshold for how uninformed the American public can be but we have lost any semblance of a democracy and have ushered in idiocracy.
Problem is the keys are subjective. Using his model I gave Trump the overwhelming victory. Allan’s an old guy and still holds the mindset that there’s truth and misinformation, and MSNBC is gonna give you the truth and X is gonna give you the misinformation. Doesn’t cross his mind that his answers to the keys might be subjective and influenced by his own biases.
To his credit, PBD didn’t give the reason Destiny thought he did.
Yeah he just lied about Trump having fun. Republicans railed against Kamala and her messaging of hope and joy. They reiterated how serious and dire things were and Trump being the more serious candidate. Now, post election, they are saying he was actually the one having more fun and happy and that’s why he won? It’s just more shameless lying.
Yeah he gave an even stupider reason lmao
@@itachiuchiha5771it’s funny how the person who was correct is the stupid one and the people who were wrong about the outcome are the super smart people 🤓
Really didn't feel Alan was that smug. He was just saying he has a research method as opposed to armchair quarterbacking like other pundits. Is his system flawed? Sure, it's politics things are going to change, but if you are researching political outcomes you need to have a methodology and its been proven to be accurate in the past. I see nothing wrong with this
"He was just saying he has a research method as opposed to armchair quarterbacking like other pundits."
We already have working research methods. They're called polls.
"Trump wasnt having fun."
Me watching his 30 min dance break to YMCA (•_•)
Destiny has TDS.
@@crazyguywatchnu ok destiny hater. Why are you here? Who hurt you? Go touch grass.😂
@@crazyguywatchnu you and PBD have a case of the TULS: Trump unconditional love syndrome. It’s where nearly always no matter what he says you agree with and if the odd occasion you don’t agree you will make excuses. Exactly like a wife in a toxic relationship who refuses to leave her husband.
@michaeldowdell3813 i think he was joking
@@youtubeenjoyer1743I’m an avid Destiny watcher but he 100% has TDS lol.
You can always count on PBD to give the absolute dumbest take ever every time.
He doesn’t care about making sense. He cares about making money. Once you his statements through this lens, everything makes sense
Thing is, the Professor was probably right in his assessment, but didn’t properly adjust for inflation and the global impact that it had on incumbents.
Or the incumbent party poisoning their own brand by slowly publicly trashing the leader of their party
This election was about messaging
his keys exist in reality but the electorate doesn't
@@NickHolumthis was an inevitable issue because this was a global issue amongst all incumbents
@ I agree. Democrats didn’t do a good enough job celebrating the wins of administration. They didn’t do a good enough job of explaining the plan forward.
destiny is a name
A girl one at that
It's actually a noun
Destiny is a game actually
Yeah, he mightve just fumbled his keys but the keys themselves were still the same and alright... But its possible that some keys must be changed for the new context
The system still has a good track record. It's not a crystal ball so obviously it can be wrong sometimes, and when a system fails you can update it.
@@potatoweaver4116Lichtman was wrong in 2016, correct in 2020, and wrong in 2024. Poor track record for the modern day.
The mere fact that the keys suggested Biden should rerun for presidency points to some serious flaws in his model. But Allen's pride makes him incapable of any level of introspection.
PBD made millions selling life insurance. Of course he presents that way
Cenk can be absolutely hilarious at times. Need that out of Cenk more
He's left wing Alex Jones.
I found that bit really annoying. People like cenk eat the left
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231He’s an Islamist. He isn’t on the left.
Cenk may be idiotic from time to time but to compare him to Alex Jones is fucking insane. As far as I can remember Cenk never incited such a deep harassment against traumatized people till the point one of them committed suicide.
@@theywouldnthavetocensormei9231like his nephew
Junk Yogurt vs The Nutty Professor
Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly but I don't remember Lichtman ever saying 'it has to be' anyone. When biden was the candidate he applied his keys to biden, when kamala wad the candidate he applied the keys to her.
As someone from the sub said
"WHERE ARE YOUR KEYS NOW ALLEN BOY"
Yeah I lose my Allen keys all the time too. Good thing you can get then cheap at harbor freight. Lichtman must have got his there too
Oh, the keys, the keys,
They hold the power to appease,
Unlocking doors, a sacred plea,
To lose them feels like blasphemy.
Each one shaped with purpose true,
A secret kept, a task to do.
They guard the dreams we long to see,
Yet losing them births blasphemy.
Oh, the keys, the keys,
Their jingle whispers on the breeze,
Symbols of hope and destiny,
Misplaced, they scream of blasphemy.
Lost keys bring a moment's dread,
Regrets and curses fill our head.
But find them, and the heart’s set free,
No longer bound by blasphemy.
Oh, the keys, the keys,
Their power humbles, their weight agrees.
Keep them safe, their legacy,
Or face the shadow of blasphemy.
ok gpt
@tada3399 maybe it's Claude 😂
@@franklingoodwin
Likely to be Bing's Copilot
Definitely llama
21:30 He said that in his stream after the election, that he might reconsider some things in his system, since misinformation was, in his opinion, such a huge factor.
My personal take is that, beyond all the allegations against Elon Musk, this election involved too many variables that Lichtman likely never accounted for. A sitting President dropped out mid-election after the first official debate; a successor was essentially anointed without any official contest; she was a female candidate running against a former POTUS who was openly determined to win at any cost-and didn’t hide it. Add to this the involvement of Elon Musk and the bold methods he reportedly used to support Trump. Moreover, there were numerous positive indicators suggesting Harris was poised to win, one of which was the widespread attention given to Lichtman’s methods, which he demonstrated brilliantly. These factors likely led Democrats to adopt a more relaxed approach, failing to mobilize fully for the vote. In light of this, I would say: leave the Professor alone.
Cenk cooked him with those keys. Your boy Alan was done.
Cenk treated Lickman like absolute trash on the show. It was cringe.
Yeah he was just being an ass
@@stevebuscemi4185
how dare you blaspheme the great Alan Litchman!!?? 🙄
Have you watched some of the sit downs that Destiny had????
@@rustyreview nah. It was funny.
Lichtman has no credibility and he used the word Blasphemy in regard to himself. What a maroon. He wrote 13 books and has 51 years of being a professor and he still can't get it right.
Cenk might be an unhinged maverick but god damn if we don't need people like him. I hope him and Mr. Borelli has many fruitful conversations going forward!
Trump must have unlocked some hidden keys Lichtman did not have knowledge of.
The keys to Epstein island 😅😅
Yea lichtman forgot the uneducated voter key
@@lordkingaling4253he simply ignored the charisma and economic keys. Idk why he would say trumps not charismatic even if you don’t like him he clearly is .
@@lordkingaling4253He admits he was wrong and attributed most of his wrong call to the unexpected storm of unprecedented disinformation (including info being openly pushed by the richest man on earth. Which doesn't really happen all too often from his experience. Then again, he also hasn't experienced a sitting president that has attempted a coup. Not only attempt a coup for the first time in american history, but also wasn't really punished at all for it). Uniformed voters, yeah. But uncontrolled disinformation with no consequences from anyone anywhere as well as blatant political interference from musk and more covertly russia.
His keys are based on a rational and pragmatic electorate.... That is the problem
Didn't the professor say he'd adjust if wrong when he first announced his keys? He has been humble the entire time
He was wrong in his 2016 prediction and retroactively changed it to be correct after the 2016 results. He’s been wrong in the last 2 out of 3 Presidential elections
If Allan just had a modicum of humility, he wouldn’t be getting roasted in this manner. The problem isn’t that he’s wrong, but his enormous ego. “Blasphemy against me.” 😂
Allan said he misspoke he didn't mean to say that. Give the old man a break. Chenk is a bully.
@@lifeguard4356If he were an otherwise humble man, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt on that statement. But he definitely has some kind of god complex.
Democrats arent know for having humility
@@brettstarks1846 Blaspheme literally means "speaking ill," "impious speech," or "slander," essentially "to speak evil of."
It’s just old-guy talk for slander, cut him some slack.
@@brettstarks1846 listen I watch his show he has said repeatedly that he was wrong and has said why he was wrong. Like it or not he has authority over the topic of politics. His record speaks itself. I not saying you have to agree with him but saying he has a God complex is absurd. Does Cenk have PHD? No? Ok then.
A key component of the Keys is that it only applies to a rational populace.
"Clearly, I'm not out of touch. It's the majority of the population who is out of touch."
@rhinocore the populace elected a convicted felon that tried to overturn the last election and has since stated policy plans so atrocious that his advocates excuse to still vote for him the guardrails held last time. Sorry, but that isn't rational.
I used to watch Destiny for his unbias take on stuff but now he's just lost. His bias, delusion and losing narrative that he wants to push is so cringe.
When have you ever been under the impression that he's unbiased?
He's obviously biased, heavily, and he always has been. However, if you did listen to him in the past, you should know that he encourages you to do your own research in addition to listening to him speak on topics.
This isn't a destiny change, this is a you change, and coming to terms with the fact you're not ideologically aligned with him.
And that's okay!
@@dyaoxnisit's definitely a destiny change, stop glazing him you know he's not gonna sleep with you.
He went from being fact and evidence based to twisting facts to fit his narrative. Just because the right does it too doesn't make it right
What delusion?
@@Meeces55 Even back when vaush was being talked about on this channel, he even said he uses facts to justify his position. Just like every op-ed does.
I'm sure he'll descend from his dgg throne and come into youtube comments to suck me off. I appreciate you being wrong and giving me the exposure so Destiny can witness.
You having your weird parasocial behavior doesn't mean that the answer wasn't in front of you all along. Good day.
Destiny is the Joe Scarborough of RUclips.
Lichtman era was fantastic
@13:00 I dont know if it matters what reagan's state of mind was, we didn't have 4k video and TV's in every house with an internet connection at that time. we had to take the press at their word
We have seen the messages on discord you freak. 😂😂😂
I checked the channel to see if any videos were on it or the comments were saying anything 😂😂😂
@@knes167homie pry got the plug in him right now!!!!
How can we know they're not fake? Asking innocently.
@@YeSureWhatever
We don't KNOW-know yet . Was hoping there'd be a video up of him covering it.
It's good habit to ask for confirmation like youre doing frfr.
@@YeSureWhatever they are real, I’d do ur own digging but everything I’ve seen seems to point to these being real. But good on ya asking questions
"you are so exceptionally unafraid of standing up for your values" gave me the fucking boke.
You can guarantee one thing with Cenk, and that's entertainment.
"He is just a random civilian"
Unlike Cenk?! lmfao
You reckon Lichtman has played kingdom hearts ?
licht in german means light and he's talking about keys all the time.... he must be our worlds version of ansem the wise
Rare kingdom hearts reference
How did no one make an AI picture of Lichtman with a keysword?
@@Ringringcodyphone2020 *keyblade
If you watched the entire debate destiny Lichtman said he was wrong but also contradicted himself by saying cenk was not right and he was not wrong when cenk said “I was right you were wrong”. He’s ok saying I was wrong but as soon as someone else says they were right he flip flops.
Destiny is getting exposed on X
Context?
@@guitarflorithink about it wookie
Wtf lol
@@Purple-tm1fz x? You mean that pit of bots and trolls?
12:34 so your first problem is that you're lying, he never said it's definitive, and your second problem 12:47 is that you're still lying, Trump didn't win to Biden in 2020.
This is 22 minutes of Destiny saying nothing insightful or interesting. Well done guys.
So it's a normal clip of Destiny.
@@rhinocore Exactly 😄
‘You are tho open with your principles’ That guy wants PBD to finish in his mouth so bad!!!
The PBD haters in the comments are pitifully jealous of a self made successful immigrant. 😂
They don't care about anything except for who you vote for. You could be a 200 IQ billionaire who cured cancer and the left would shit on you if you came out as anti big government.
Nobody is jealous of a dishonest Ponzi scheme 😂what a smooth brain comment
@Tumorcoach You orbiters love repeating nonsense so confidently. It's adorable. There's life outside the bubble. 😆🖕
I think Lichtman's model worked fine pre-social media. Things truly have changed.
Irony of Destiny saying "Cringeeee you're never voting democrat bro" and 1 second later PBD saying "I voted for Bill Clinton" 🤣🤣🤣
Add on the fact that destiny would never vote for republicans no matter the candidate. He's a vote blue no matter who guy.
@@angelmorales4413
Pretty sure he supported Romney when he was younger
LOL voting for a Dem once 30 years ago doesn't make you independent LOL. Destiny is talking about the present election and future elections.
@@angelmorales4413 Not true at all. There are plenty of GOPers that he would vote for. It's just that they keep getting kicked out of the party because they aren't inside Trump's ass enough. I can almost guarantee if the election was between Mitt Romney and Kamala he would have voted Mitt.
You keep moving the goal posts though. OOOH Mitt? He's a RINO.
Text book No True Scotsman
@@howdareyou41 Not really at that point.. go to 5:30, and see for yourself. At that moment Destiny was just only talking about PBD voting "independent" currently and I tend to agree that in US currently "independent" is republican from what I've seen. But Destiny's comment really was that "independent" would never have voted democrats and he was mistaken on that exact point. People evolve, change allegiance. May be PBD turned right ? In any case, I'm totally external to this. What do I know ? I'm not even an American or staying in US, I'm an Indian national residing in Europe. I have no horses in this race. ,😅
TYT doesn’t have the right to call anybody smug or arrogant, Cenk is that X1000
Allan L literally admitted he was wrong the night of the election. Not only that but he did say a few times it wasn’t impossible his keys could be wrong, but they had a really strong track record of being right and he’d only change them if they’re wrong a few times. I do think he presents them over confidently. Also this idiot doesn’t even understand the dudes system “a lot of the keys have to do with the incumbency” no dumbass, theyre designed to measure the strength of the incumbent party, only 1 key really has to do with it being the incumbent running or not.
You're regarded. You believe in his key system. Imagine you believing in that BS and calling others dumbasses. You couldn't make it up 😂
@@franklingoodwin I see that you also lack comprehension skills just like Cenk. Literally not 1 sentence that I typed here indicated that I believed in his system. I called the Cenk a dumbass for talking about the system when he clearly doesn't understand how the system works. He demonstrated this multiple times. Do 5 minutes of research on the system like a professional should do before opening your mouth on it is all that I ask.
😂😂😂 Of course he was wrong, he said his keys predict that Kamala Harris would win. And she got BTFO’ed. His keys were subjective and could have also predicted a Trump win
@@franklingoodwin can you even read?
@@franklingoodwin I'm sorry, what part of what I said here indicates that I believe in his system? My criticism is with Cenk talking out of his ass and not even bothering to take 5 minutes to understand the system he's criticizing. He demonstrates this even more so later in the segment when he starts saying that the keys are going to tell dems who to nominate in 4 years, which is not at all relevant to the system. Think before you speak is a lesson both of you should learn sooner rather than later.
Lichtman’s argument is that he believes his keys were accurate but issues not covered by the keys, outside of their control determined the election ultimately. His prediction was wrong and this is his developing assessment as to why. If he’s wrong, he’s wrong and I think he’s welcome to alternate ideas to that conclusion.
Lichtman welcomes critiques and questions about his keys. He literally does a Q&A every stream to that fact. What he won’t tolerate is bloviating slander and insults from blowhards like Cenk.
All of a sudden PBD is a political expert,smfh!!!
Every time I see Patrick Bet David I feel like he’s trying to sell me a shitty car.
Lmao Destiny after PBD says he's registered independent: "criiiiiinge you're never voting democrat bro", then he unpauses the video and PBD immediately says "and I voted Bill Clinton, and I think Bill Clinton was a good president!"
And Destiny keeps watching, not realizing he just got proved immediately wrong lool
This kinda Cenk is best Cenk lol
Destiny is a little too butthurt these days. Take the L, move on.
Obviously hes upset of an insane person being in power
I thought TYT was meant to be progressive? And yet they're nodding along in agreement with a businessman who voted for Trump because fuck taxes.
Tbh Alan Lichman was right he just interpreted his own keys wrong 😂
Which ones do your think
Yeah, he should have given Trump the challenger charisma key.
@@MegaChallanger saying trump isn't charismatic to start
@jessieurena7583 he's not. Neither was harris.
The ones he got "wrong" were the economy keys. By the numbers and stats, he was right, but if the entire voting block thinks the economy is in a recession, even though its not, than those 2 economy keys are compromised.
Both economy keys being false would have given harris 6 false keys, making trump the predicted winner
@@steveng6704 Exactly. Harris was ''new'' but she gave the biggest establishment vibes, while Trumps whole identity is being the anti establishment challenger, Trump could rule as an immortal god emperor for 100 years and hed still be the challenger
Whats ironic is he lost to Biden....
Destiny is wrong, Trump looked so happy during his campaign, did he not see how ecstatic he looked in his mug shot? truly the face of a winner!
Destiny, I was a teenager in the second part of Reagan’s term and remember they didn’t have social media and much less people had cable tekevidion. Plus, as a natural actor, if he just remembered a few lines he was probably ok in public.
I thought Anna left TYT?
She told me last night that she's still on but feeling a bit conflicted
why would you think that? Did she ever say that or even alluded to leaving TYT..?
@@WhiteMousse1980 you DMed her?
What is going on with the audio in this video? It sounds bass boosted and mid-scooped. It's driving me crazy.
Saw this twice and it still hits!
This guy constantly looks and talks like he wants to end it all. He even has the tool behind him
Funny cenk saying anyone wouldve lost but before Biden dropped out he said "any other Democrat could beat trump. " lol
His system only has a good record by him setting it up to correctly guess every obvious landslide and then winning a handful of weighted coin flips. It’s the epitome of bad unreplicable science.
- Destiny tries to predict a canned answer from PBD, ends up agreeing with what he said, then trying to dismiss his point.
- Destiny sees PBD making more good points, brings up an old clip as a ad hominem attack, claiming it’s fake to discredit PBD because he can’t argue against his points. Pulls up clip and then it’s very different from what Destiny paraphrased, and it does not appear from his body language and tonality that he’s lying.
I’m only ten minutes in. Destiny does that second trick all the time, selectively remembers something, or selectively forgets things, if it doesn’t align with his predetermined ideology or position on an issue.
Dang thanks for the showing that failed comprehension because none of this recounting is accurate
The "keys" aren't the issue. The calling of the keys is subjective.
Lictman said, concerning the key of charisma, that Trump was not charismatic.
That's his personal opinion getting in the way of calling the key realistically. So it's only natural he makes a false prediction.
Extremely Rare Cenk W
Common, common
It's easy to win when your life is on easy mode.
weak bait
Extremely rare coherent TurtleChad1 comment.
“Unlike you I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong” GO ALAN! I know who my old man role model is
Cenk is insufferable sometimes
All the time, and he always looks like he just got out of a sauna
18:57 "WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO SAY" energy
Destiny was wrong too
wow no shit
It's almost like people on the left always think they know everything, but they don't.
Destiny has lost a lot of IQ points in the past year. This is sad.
Alan was arrogant cenk? Weren't you the guy who thought he could run for president? 🤔😂
INCUMBENCY this time around was a huge disadvantage.
THE KEYS
Following politics in the US makes me feel smarter. Cheers from Sweden 🎉
You guys are so smart with your no-go zones.
How's the weather in Sweden? I heard it's raining cats and grenades
@Meeces55 Hey bro, go hang out in section 8 real quick.
At this point you basically have open boarders destroying your civil society and culture. Soon you'll be like the UK and your cultural values and morality will be erased and replaced by Islamic cultures and bs.
@@Behonkcé Yea we got a muslim problem.
Splitting hairs… is saying you’re “willing to admit when one is wrong” == “admitting one is wrong”?
Cenk and Lichtman have so much in common. I wished he would realize that. But unlike Cenk Lichtman is at least able to admit his mistakes. Cenk just blames the donors.
I am positive PBD is lying about the tax assessor just charging him $67K out of nowhere.
It’s more likely he was cheating on his taxes by underreporting his revenue. Then he made the mistake of reinvesting much of that revenue on his own business, and they caught him.
Notice he has no specifics about the story, like what agency the assessor was from, or anything really.
I’m almost certain you don’t read these comments, but I think you and us (i.e. your audience) might enjoy and find interesting Hank Greens latest video on populism and our current media situation.
Without wanting to put words into his mouth, he generally agrees with your analysis on how fucked up our current media landscape is but provides some very interesting yet also somehow obvious historical context.
Worth watching and sharing imho.
You can tell that PBD story is made up because the natural progression of being asked "you'd rather your son grows up to be ok with his wife cheating on him" would obviously be to return with "that is still 100% better than being a sex trafficker" 🤷♂️
Who tf would want their son to grow up like Andrew Tate.
The Meet Kevin glazing was not something I expected to see in Destinys feed LOL.
Janks been killing it lately and has actually been honest and really funny
"We got Pennsylvania in the bag!" didn't age well lol.
13:40 This is coming from someone that literally gives off abusive rhetoric and a cocky attitude. Dude's like in his 50s talking the way he does, which is stupid
Love how the “values” discussed at 10:40 boil down to the level of control he needs to have over women 🙃 in true manosphere fashion!
The Lichtman villain arch is gonna go crazy
Listening to PBD recount a benign story at normal speed is my personal hell.