Yes I would, I have a 47 degrees slope which I wow down hill, return up hill on a gentle slope. The mower goes down hill with gravity at a gentle controlled speed.
I expect this mower will last several seasons with decent care. ruclips.net/user/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend Also, I ran across the problem with it not starting the 2nd time I used it. There is a safety switch which is pushed in by the chute or mulching piece being attached to the deck. I took the cover off and it wouldn't start. Put it back on, no problem. It takes only a minute with 2 easily accessible wingnuts and no tools. This mower starts up first crank each time and it is a joy to use. It also mows in reverse by putting the key to the reverse area after starting and pushing in the triangular button. It will stay in reverse mode until you turn it off. All in all, for my homeowner needs, I really like this mower-and at 70 bucks a cut here in Miami, it's already more than 1/3 paid for itself in a month.
My shop (employee, not owner) sells these, and plenty of them. Only repeat issue is the parking brake is sometimes fiddly to engage fully- you have to use a bit of brute force if it's sticking. Also, be aware that the steering system is actually very robust. However, multiple impacts to the front wheels (hitting the same old rock or root every weekend) _will_ wreck the steering, cueing up expensive repairs.
Is the steering supposed to catch/bind at the fully turned points? I just bought one and ran it for the first time today. I can feel a catch when turning 180° to the point it sort of jerks the steering wheel. And, does it have toe-in? I really didn't notice before running it but if one wheel is aligned straight, the other is aligned to the inside.
Another one of the big advantages of the ZTS series is in slippery wet conditions. The paddock to the north of my house is occasionally mowed by the factory which owns it, and they cant mow a boggy area in a traditional lap bar zero turn as as soon as one wheel begins to slip it simply turns uncontrollably, so they normally leave it until it gets a few foot tall and then use a brushcutter to knock it down. My ZTS1 simply pushes through the slippery sections and it does not cause an issue at all, so I mow it weekly now, and being shorter it seems to be drying out a fair bit better too
That's great to hear! My ZTS does great in the ditches too, especially if it's a little wet out. My lap bar ZT gets drawn down into the ditch, so I have to be very careful not to get stuck.
I have a SZ60. My home is built on the break of a steep slope. I can mow across the slope with no control issues. i have a maple tree at the steepest part and I can mow around it as easily as if it were on flat ground. I am sold on this drive/steering control type.
Very informative video. Thanks. I have a 42” version of this being delivered and have only ever used a push mower. My property is in some parts >30% so will still need to use the push mower but this will certainly brake the back of it for me. Having never used one it’ll take time to figure out the areas a can do with this awesome looking machine. A steep learning curve awaits. Thank you for the well presented awesome content.
@@michaelsutherland9069 Hey Michael, I've been very happy with the way it stays on the hills. The front wheels that steer and have thick rubber tread definitely help and make a difference on hills. When going down a hill, it's always best to take it slow and make sure there isn't anything dangerous at the bottom that you could slide into.
I prefer the circles, it gives a topography look, but after getting my ZTS1-42 and having the ability to now do stripes. I think stripes works best with a circle border.
I don't use any irrigation. This is what the lawn looks like in the spring, when we get lots of rain and the lawn is thick. I sometimes use Scotts fertilizer to try and control the dandelions and weeds. I also used grass seed many years ago that has a decent amount of Kentucky Blue Grass.
I'm just here for the music while Mark mows the lawn. Actually, this looks like a lawnmower that can make a lot of money. I'm glad I have a small front yard :D
Me and my husband both love Cub Cadet that is our favorite even do a sponsored video with cub anarbagh Nothing Else Matters Cub Cadet is number one we do have a lawn care business and we do have a RUclips video for RUclips Paige and would love to show the world about Cub Cadet
It really turns on a dime and the rear tires don't tear the turf up, from my experience anyways. I agree, it takes a little practice getting used to it.
I wonder though when its time to remove the deck, after undoing the hooks on deck if you can zero turn the mower to drive it from the deck with out dragging it from underneath.
I like this mower, Thinking about buying Model ZTS2 60 for my 6 acres. I now have a John Deere X530 60" deck and power steering, Does the Cub Cadet steer easy? Thank You
I have the ZT 2 mower with the lap bars and have used it now for three years, everything works good on it and I still enjoy mowing with it but I have learned that anytime I am mowing and I am needing to make right hand turns while on a least bit of a slope the mower naturally wants to speed up and keep going to the right more so than mowing to the left. I don't have much of a bank and the slope isn't bad but when I make those first two or three laps I do so with my left hand side towards the lower side of the bank, seems as though I have more control. I have been considering the synchro steer but not made the jump yet. My question is, does the synchro steer make that much difference or is it still a situation where you just have to allow for it ? if you had to choose between the two would you go back to the lap bars or stay with the synchro steer. thanks...don
That's a good question, Don. If I had hills, ditches, and other sloped areas, I'd go with the syncro steer. It really handles those well and goes in the direction. without ever sliding around. It takes a little longer to get used to it with the extra brake needed when parking it, but it's easy to use when you get the startup sequence downpat. The foot petal is no big deal to me unless I plan to mow for more than 1.5 hours straight. Any longer than that and it's nice to take a little break before mowing again. I spent many years doing lawncare on a commercial mower with the lapbar, so it's something I've become accustomed to and enjoy using. I'd take the lapbar if there's no hills or slopes. Hope that helps!
@@MarkThomasBuilder thank you for your reply back to me. I think I will probably go to my dealer where I bought my ZT2 and just get on one of the synchro steers and see what it is like. My wife wants to help me mow sometimes because I have about 2 hrs riding time but I think safety could play a role in her riding the lap bar version when it comes to getting close on the banks. Flat yard no hills or ditches I feel she wouldn't have a problem this is where the synchro steer come in at. Thank you for your replies.
Once I have the deck raised to the level I want, I release the parking brake, turn the key to the left and push the reverse safety button. After that, you turn the mower deck on and use your right foot to go forward or back. When it comes to mowing, it's only your foot and steering wheel that does the work.
How is the steering effort? I've read of complaints with some zero turn steering wheel mowers that the steering is too stiff. Some of the commercial Cub Cadet steering wheel mowers have power steering. If it's stiff only when motionless, I'm ok with that. If you turned the front wheels while still, you would rip up the turf.
It's not too bad for not being power steering. I grew up with a steering wheel mower and then went to a lap bar mower before this one. If you could demo one from a dealer, I think that would be best. I don't notice the turn getting ripped with this mower.
No vibration issues that seemed out of the ordinary. It's pretty smooth. My overall experience is good overall. My lawn looks nice after mowing with it.
So it seems like when you want back up a bit, which happens quite often when mowing, you don't have to move the key or lever into reverse and press that hazard thing. That's only if you want to mow in reverse for a long stretches. Is that correct? Seems like you backed up and straightened out pretty easily without engaging the Reverse knob/key.
The safety item for reverse is something you only do when you first start the mower. After that, you can go forward and back easily with the foot control. The steering is very tight so you can sometimes mow without backing up at the end of each stripe.
Mine have not done that. If you're not moving and turn the wheel back and forth, then yes it may do a little tearing of the grass. The best advice is to turn when moving as much as possible.
I went down some hills and it seemed to do fine. If it's a really steep, then I prefer to go back and forth on the hill instead. Many years ago I was mowing a big hill on my commercial 61" Scag zero turn and I noticed it would skid some if I tried stopping as I went down the hill. I had a close call with a pine tree back then, so now I am more careful going straight down hills.
Ive been mowing 15-28 degree hills with no problem. on the steeper stuff i go down and circle around and come back up a leser degree hill. There is no brake. i havent had a problem but i keep my foot on the reverse pedal in case it does break lose and get to fast.
Is the steering supposed to catch/bind at the fully turned points? I just bought one and ran it for the first time. I can feel a catch when turning 180° to the point it sort of jerks the steering wheel. Also, I didn't notice before running it but when i parked it i noticed it seemed to have toe-in. One wheel was aligned straight and the other had an obvious alignment towards the inside. Is that normal?
I'm getting close to replacing my 6 yr old husky GT54LS garden tractor that I seldom use for anything but mowing. The Husky handles the small but steep hills on my 3/4 acre property as long as I'm not mowing wet grass. But it's a little shaky in at least one spot. Questions: Do you find the Cub Cadet ZT mower, or zero turn mowers in general, to be rear weighted such that there's a risk of backendering the machine starting up a steep grade of say 30 degrees? MY Husky will take this hill coming off my gravel driveway without a problem but it is, of course, front engine so that weight up front eliminates any danger of flipping backwards. Also would you happen to know whether the seat on the ZTS1 allows for installing arm rest as a purchased option because I don't see any grab handles on the Cub Cadet like my Husky has to hold onto when mowing across hills.
I mow at my work with another mower that has a bagger on the back and the front has lifted going up hills. I never noticed anything like that with this mower. The front is pretty heavy with that syncro-steer setup.
I have an RZT steering wheel 50” fab deck, 4 years old. Is the steering wheel easy to turn on tight turns? Mine is a two hand affair to make a tight turn, and it takes significant effort. I may have to trade up.
I normally use 2 hands if I'm making a complete 180° turn, but I wouldn't say it takes significant effort. I turn the steering wheel while moving, but I'd say it would probably take some effort it I tried to turn the wheel standing still,
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks. That’s the disadvantage with a steering wheel zero turn then. It doesn’t take any effort with a bar operated zero turn. It’s a compromise I’ll have to live with.
Part of my property has 47 degrees slope, the mower handles it well, mowing down hill. Does anyone know where to purchase a service manual for the 972 mower? The owner’s manual is an embarrassment Thanks.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks very much for the response, can you post a link? I looked all over their site, called support etc.. with no luck, Thanks again.
im looking at purchasing one. My back yard fluctuates from 15 degrees to almost 30 on one end. Do you have to ride the brakes going down the 30 degree slope or does the engine hold it back from going too fast?
@@michaelsutherland9069 Part of my yard is 47 degree slope (steep) I mow up, turn and mow down. Mower rides down by gravity very gently (2MPH or so) , under control, I keep my hand on the hand brake just in case but no problem,
I was just looking at a ZT1 vs the ZTS1. Most of my yard is flat but I have a bit of a hill in the front with between a 15-20 degree slope. Visually, it looks similar to what you have at the 5:40 ish mark. How well did your regular ZT handle that hill area? I like the ZTS but if the regular ZT1 can handle it fine I would be happy to safe $1500.
The hill you mentioned is one I've tested many mowers on. When I'm using the ZT1, I don't go sideways to the hill, I go straight up or down. I feel more confident going sideways to the hill using the ZTS1.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks, that helps. My hill is similar, but there are trees at the top so I would have to turn sideways or turn and go back down at least a couple of laps. I may have no choice but to go ZTS.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Do you think the 42 inch would be fine to mow around garden beds? I've not had a zero turn before. The deck does not stick out beyond the tires so I was debating getting the 46 just for that purpose. But, I'm already tight on garage space.
@@Rooksfish I personally like having the deck stick out further than the tires. If you can fit it in your garage, I'd say it's worth making that upgrade.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Sir, never had a riding mower. I just bought the ZTS1 42" Sunday. All I ever did was mulch clipping coming out the side would confuse me and throw it back in the garden and walkway. Can the blades that come on it mulch, or are the mulching blades recommended? I am aware I still need the cover to keep it contained. The question is more so about the stock blades. Thx
At first, the steering wheel idea appealed to me. But is it possible turn tightly without locking one of the rear wheels? Doesn't that tear the turf? I know many don't bother to do it, but with a lapbar, to turn to the right you would put the right wheel in reverse while the left wheel would still be rotating forward.
This mower really does a nice job of not tearing the turf like a lapbar mower. The front wheels turn very sharp and the one tire moves fast while the other wheel stops or may slightly go in reverse.
Just picked up a zts2 50 today. I didn't notice it at first, but after mowing for about 15 minutes and getting off of the machine, I realized that the machine has a pretty strong high frequency vibration from the engine itself. My feet were actually a bit tingly which persisted up to an hour later. There was a lot of vibration coming through the seat as well. Is this considered "normal" for this machine?
I also drive a Exmark commercial mower during the week and it probably vibrates a little less. I'd say there's some vibration in this unit, but nothing too crazy. When I sharpen my blades, I make sure they're balanced. Sometimes factory blades aren't balanced properly and can cause some vibration. The other CC lap bar version mower seems about the same amount of vibration.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks for the reply. This is engine vibration, w/out the blades engaged. The frame is super rigid and the engine is bolted directly to the mounting plate with no isolation mounts, etc. so most of the engine vibes are transmitted throughout the frame. The 50" uses the 7000 series 23 hp Kohler, while your 54" has the Kohler 24 hp so maybe engine harmonics are more pleasant/less severe. It appears that CC relies on their cushy seat and rubber floor mats to attempt mitigate vibration transmitted to the operator. They have the following description on their website for these mowers: "Soft touch steering wheel and a vibration dampening rubber floor mat provides sure footing and maximum comfort". Both the steering wheel and the rubber floor mats are relatively hard, although they are not hard plastic. On my machine, they fail to do an adequate job, not to mention that I also noticed a tingling sensation on the bottom of my thighs right above the back of my knees. This is where they are close to the seat hard mount point on the mower - so the seat isn't doing a great job at isolating vibrations either. This is pretty much a non-starter for me as I'm not willing to risk my health over something like this. My feet felt abnormal up to an hour or so afterwards. I'm in good health, no diabetes or anything. I don't have any issues on my old craftsman lawn tractor... I did call CC up and was routed through an MTD call center, then finally to Troy Built, to report the issue. I'm to take it to a service center and have them check it out. I'm not too keen on that as I have pretty low expectations of an acceptable resolution. At a minimum, they'll need to use a measuring device to check the vibration levels and that they are below the acceptable exposure levels. We'll see... Editing to say I compared the new CC to my old craftsman that has a single cyl. 19 hp Kohler. It vibrates more than I remember, but the CC seems to be a bit more intense. I guess I'll put down a layer of 1/2" dense spongy foam mat w/ 1/4" ply over it on the foot deck. Also get some isolation mounts to put the seat on. Tingles my butt as is...
I like the video but it kind of feels like you didn't realize Cub Cadet has been making steering wheel zt mowers for a while now. I have the SX54 and got it in I believe May 2017. Part of it is probably Cub Cadet acting like this "synchro steer" tech is brand new technology they came recently out with while pretending their previous ones didn't exist. Very odd of them. Really like my SX54 and it handles hills like a champ with no problems turning sideways on them. I don't know what grade my hill is but I feel like it is 20 or maybe more for half of it and I've never once felt it unsafe or got stuck. It also doesn't tear up grass when doing sharp turns on flat or inclined ground.
I been mowing lawn since I was 8years old and now will be 19 next month I recently got a lawn tractor last year and been practicing different mowing patterns but the way I mow I go up and down and sometimes circle but mostly up and down and cross angle but yeah .awesome video!! I been following u on instagram for quite sometime but yea I hope you have a great day!!👍
Cub cadet mowers are very rough on your back I have a Ultima z1 zero turn mower and after I mow my lawn I'm down for a few days with my back rides very rough they need to make the seat more comfortable and with springs n not that plastic isolaters there killers
That's cool! This is a great mower and I'm looking forward to using it next week for the first mow of the season. Haha, I saw that ant you were talking about. It looks like I flicked it away while talking.
@@MarkThomasBuilder same I pick it up tomorrow the 50 inch was using riding mowers for lawn care business for 3 years lol Excited finally for the upgrade.
I bought the ZTS2 50” model back in March ‘22. Now it’s September and here are a few thoughts about the mower… Firstly, the Ultima series mowers seem to be really well designed in general, whether a lap bar model or with Synchro-Steer wheel. One thing to consider is the S2 models have a heavier grade Hydro-Drive transmission (ZT-2800), which might be advantageous if you’re planning to do any hauling or a lot of mowing on steep hills. I had previously been using a 20 year old John Deere SST16 zero turn mower with steering wheel, so I was already accustomed to the basic operating system…. But of course the John Deere did not have steerable front wheels. (that JD design has been discontinued for many years now). With that being said, the Cub Cadet Synchro-Steer is nothing short of amazing. It really is the best of both worlds… variable counter rotating hydraulic rear transmissions and steerable front wheels. But what I didn’t anticipate was how useful this would be with only one arm to steer with. Early in July, I was in an accident that dislocated my shoulder and severely tore my rotator cuff, requiring surgery. With my arm tied up in a sling, there was no way I would’ve been able to safely use a lap bar mower. The Synchro-Steer steering wheel system was easily usable with one arm allowing me to continue mowing my lawn following shoulder surgery. Overall, the mower, along with the Kohler 7000 Pro series engine has been performing flawlessly. Very highly recommended!
QUESTION OF THE DAY: How do you like all the features on this mower? Would you consider this mower for mowing big hills? (Up to 20°)
Yes I would, I have a 47 degrees slope which I wow down hill, return up hill on a gentle slope. The mower goes down hill with gravity at a gentle controlled speed.
I take mine on 28 degree slopes and it does great. The tires will spin when trying to back up but other then that it does great on every angle.
I expect this mower will last several seasons with decent care. ruclips.net/user/postUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend Also, I ran across the problem with it not starting the 2nd time I used it. There is a safety switch which is pushed in by the chute or mulching piece being attached to the deck. I took the cover off and it wouldn't start. Put it back on, no problem. It takes only a minute with 2 easily accessible wingnuts and no tools. This mower starts up first crank each time and it is a joy to use. It also mows in reverse by putting the key to the reverse area after starting and pushing in the triangular button. It will stay in reverse mode until you turn it off. All in all, for my homeowner needs, I really like this mower-and at 70 bucks a cut here in Miami, it's already more than 1/3 paid for itself in a month.
How's it working out for you after 3 times?
My shop (employee, not owner) sells these, and plenty of them. Only repeat issue is the parking brake is sometimes fiddly to engage fully- you have to use a bit of brute force if it's sticking.
Also, be aware that the steering system is actually very robust. However, multiple impacts to the front wheels (hitting the same old rock or root every weekend) _will_ wreck the steering, cueing up expensive repairs.
Is the steering supposed to catch/bind at the fully turned points? I just bought one and ran it for the first time today. I can feel a catch when turning 180° to the point it sort of jerks the steering wheel. And, does it have toe-in? I really didn't notice before running it but if one wheel is aligned straight, the other is aligned to the inside.
Yep had my ZTS1 brake switch fail after just 2 weeks. The brake engaged, but the switch failed, leading to it being unable to start
Another one of the big advantages of the ZTS series is in slippery wet conditions. The paddock to the north of my house is occasionally mowed by the factory which owns it, and they cant mow a boggy area in a traditional lap bar zero turn as as soon as one wheel begins to slip it simply turns uncontrollably, so they normally leave it until it gets a few foot tall and then use a brushcutter to knock it down. My ZTS1 simply pushes through the slippery sections and it does not cause an issue at all, so I mow it weekly now, and being shorter it seems to be drying out a fair bit better too
That's great to hear! My ZTS does great in the ditches too, especially if it's a little wet out. My lap bar ZT gets drawn down into the ditch, so I have to be very careful not to get stuck.
I have a SZ60. My home is built on the break of a steep slope. I can mow across the slope with no control issues.
i have a maple tree at the steepest part and I can mow around it as easily as if it were on flat ground. I am sold on this drive/steering control type.
I started mowing lawns when I was 13 and I mowed 90 lawns 😂 I enjoyed mowing 90 lawns when I was 13
I started mowing lawns when I was 13 I mowed 90 lawns when I was 13 and show my dad how to make 9000 lawns when I was 13
That's amazing!
Great review. Answered more questions than the dealer itself.
Thank you Sir.
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Stripes all the way.
Yes, I agree.
Very informative video. Thanks. I have a 42” version of this being delivered and have only ever used a push mower. My property is in some parts >30% so will still need to use the push mower but this will certainly brake the back of it for me. Having never used one it’ll take time to figure out the areas a can do with this awesome looking machine. A steep learning curve awaits. Thank you for the well presented awesome content.
That's cool, I'm sure you'll enjoy this mower, It takes a little to get the sequence down with the controls, but it does a nice job overall.
how has your mower performed on the hills? Im thinking of buying one
@@michaelsutherland9069 Hey Michael, I've been very happy with the way it stays on the hills. The front wheels that steer and have thick rubber tread definitely help and make a difference on hills. When going down a hill, it's always best to take it slow and make sure there isn't anything dangerous at the bottom that you could slide into.
I prefer the circles, it gives a topography look, but after getting my ZTS1-42 and having the ability to now do stripes. I think stripes works best with a circle border.
I often mow a couple rows of a circle border. Sounds like a nice combination with stripes.
Circles every day - I personally hate the look of stripes, but I do mow lower, usually around the 2" mark, so stripes are not an issue that low
A lot of "experts" claim mowing in a different direction each time you mow is healthy for your lawn. Best of both worlds!
If you turn the key and the starter does not crank, check and make sure your parking break is set and fully in the detent.
Yes, that takes a little practice to set the parking brake when getting off the mower and shutting it off.
I would definitely do stripes with a circle border
Sounds like a good plan.
I love your green baby. Can you please make a video on how your irrigation system and what kind of sprinkler system you are using
I don't use any irrigation. This is what the lawn looks like in the spring, when we get lots of rain and the lawn is thick. I sometimes use Scotts fertilizer to try and control the dandelions and weeds. I also used grass seed many years ago that has a decent amount of Kentucky Blue Grass.
I'm just here for the music while Mark mows the lawn. Actually, this looks like a lawnmower that can make a lot of money. I'm glad I have a small front yard :D
Haha, thank Ron. I'm glad you like my music selection. I need to find some new stuff, to keep it fresh, lol👊
Looks like decent striping.
Me and my husband both love Cub Cadet that is our favorite even do a sponsored video with cub anarbagh Nothing Else Matters Cub Cadet is number one we do have a lawn care business and we do have a RUclips video for RUclips Paige and would love to show the world about Cub Cadet
That's cool, I'll have to check it out!
If had yhe choice between Circles or Stripe, I would go with the Diamond method !
Yes, good choice!
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Just got mine yesterday, strange combination of conventional mower and zero turn, still figuring out the technique to drive it.
It really turns on a dime and the rear tires don't tear the turf up, from my experience anyways. I agree, it takes a little practice getting used to it.
Killed it thanks do you know largest size deck I can have with bagger or if there is bagger attachment for this mower yet?
Excellent video! Thanks!
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both looks good need it in 42inch
I'm not sure what the smallest mower is, but a 42 would really work into some tight spots.
They have a 42 inch out at the moment? Here in Australia they do anyway and they're about $8,800
They should add seat suspension for comfort.
Yes, I've seen some people make videos that add seat springs. I'm okay with the way it works, but may make that upgrade.
I like the steering wheel best!!!
I wonder though when its time to remove the deck, after undoing the hooks on deck if you can zero turn the mower to drive it from the deck with out dragging it from underneath.
Good question. I probably won't take the deck off for awhile.
I like this mower, Thinking about buying Model ZTS2 60 for my 6 acres. I now have a John Deere X530 60" deck and power steering, Does the Cub Cadet steer easy? Thank You
Yes, it steers easy in my opinion. I never feel tired after mowing with it for 2 hours.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thank You
I cut a lot of grass and would love to do a video for Cub cadet as they are my favorite but I can't even get a demo from them
I wonder if a local dealer would let you do a demo?
Is there an overflow tank for the hydro oil?
I need a new mower, wish Cub Cadet would send one over for me....
I hear you, a giveaway would be awesome.
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I have the ZT 2 mower with the lap bars and have used it now for three years, everything works good on it and I still enjoy mowing with it but I have learned that anytime I am mowing and I am needing to make right hand turns while on a least bit of a slope the mower naturally wants to speed up and keep going to the right more so than mowing to the left. I don't have much of a bank and the slope isn't bad but when I make those first two or three laps I do so with my left hand side towards the lower side of the bank, seems as though I have more control. I have been considering the synchro steer but not made the jump yet. My question is, does the synchro steer make that much difference or is it still a situation where you just have to allow for it ? if you had to choose between the two would you go back to the lap bars or stay with the synchro steer. thanks...don
That's a good question, Don. If I had hills, ditches, and other sloped areas, I'd go with the syncro steer. It really handles those well and goes in the direction. without ever sliding around. It takes a little longer to get used to it with the extra brake needed when parking it, but it's easy to use when you get the startup sequence downpat. The foot petal is no big deal to me unless I plan to mow for more than 1.5 hours straight. Any longer than that and it's nice to take a little break before mowing again.
I spent many years doing lawncare on a commercial mower with the lapbar, so it's something I've become accustomed to and enjoy using. I'd take the lapbar if there's no hills or slopes.
Hope that helps!
@@MarkThomasBuilder thank you for your reply back to me. I think I will probably go to my dealer where I bought my ZT2 and just get on one of the synchro steers and see what it is like. My wife wants to help me mow sometimes because I have about 2 hrs riding time but I think safety could play a role in her riding the lap bar version when it comes to getting close on the banks. Flat yard no hills or ditches I feel she wouldn't have a problem this is where the synchro steer come in at. Thank you for your replies.
Does this type of zero turn scuff the turf like a lap bar zero turn?
No, I thought it would, but doesn't tear it up nearly as much. The front wheels help it turn easier.
What do you do with the levers when operating.?
Once I have the deck raised to the level I want, I release the parking brake, turn the key to the left and push the reverse safety button. After that, you turn the mower deck on and use your right foot to go forward or back. When it comes to mowing, it's only your foot and steering wheel that does the work.
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How is the steering effort? I've read of complaints with some zero turn steering wheel mowers that the steering is too stiff. Some of the commercial Cub Cadet steering wheel mowers have power steering. If it's stiff only when motionless, I'm ok with that. If you turned the front wheels while still, you would rip up the turf.
It's not too bad for not being power steering. I grew up with a steering wheel mower and then went to a lap bar mower before this one. If you could demo one from a dealer, I think that would be best. I don't notice the turn getting ripped with this mower.
I want one 😊
I was just mowing the ditches with it tonight. It really does well on hills.
Any issues with the deck vibrating on the Cub Cadet? How has the overall ownership experience been with the Cub Cadet?
No vibration issues that seemed out of the ordinary. It's pretty smooth. My overall experience is good overall. My lawn looks nice after mowing with it.
How’s the maintenance access? Oil changes? Filter for oil? Air filter?
Very easy to access those items.
I'd like to see vids regarding the normal maintenance, such as greasing spindles/pullies and other lubrication/ grease points.
So it seems like when you want back up a bit, which happens quite often when mowing, you don't have to move the key or lever into reverse and press that hazard thing. That's only if you want to mow in reverse for a long stretches. Is that correct? Seems like you backed up and straightened out pretty easily without engaging the Reverse knob/key.
The safety item for reverse is something you only do when you first start the mower. After that, you can go forward and back easily with the foot control. The steering is very tight so you can sometimes mow without backing up at the end of each stripe.
How hard do you think it would be to replace the engine with a more powerful hp commercial engine like to pro z148?
I heard, while in a turn, the front wheels can tear the grass if not careful. Have you seen that?
Mine have not done that. If you're not moving and turn the wheel back and forth, then yes it may do a little tearing of the grass. The best advice is to turn when moving as much as possible.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks. Sounds like no worse than a good ol’ rider.
Great video! This mower has a brake for going down steeper hills, correct?
When you let off the gas, it slows down and stops. There's also a parking brake.
@@MarkThomasBuilder so it can go down fairly steep hills/pathways?
I went down some hills and it seemed to do fine. If it's a really steep, then I prefer to go back and forth on the hill instead.
Many years ago I was mowing a big hill on my commercial 61" Scag zero turn and I noticed it would skid some if I tried stopping as I went down the hill. I had a close call with a pine tree back then, so now I am more careful going straight down hills.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thank you for your quick responses.
Ive been mowing 15-28 degree hills with no problem. on the steeper stuff i go down and circle around and come back up a leser degree hill. There is no brake. i havent had a problem but i keep my foot on the reverse pedal in case it does break lose and get to fast.
Mowing cut speed? Blade tip speed?
I believe the top speed is either 7 or 8 mph. I'm not sure of the blade speed though. It cuts well, so they seem to be moving fast.
Can you mow in reverse?
Yes
Is the steering supposed to catch/bind at the fully turned points? I just bought one and ran it for the first time. I can feel a catch when turning 180° to the point it sort of jerks the steering wheel.
Also, I didn't notice before running it but when i parked it i noticed it seemed to have toe-in. One wheel was aligned straight and the other had an obvious alignment towards the inside. Is that normal?
I'm getting close to replacing my 6 yr old husky GT54LS garden tractor that I seldom use for anything but mowing. The Husky handles the small but steep hills on my 3/4 acre property as long as I'm not mowing wet grass. But it's a little shaky in at least one spot. Questions: Do you find the Cub Cadet ZT mower, or zero turn mowers in general, to be rear weighted such that there's a risk of backendering the machine starting up a steep grade of say 30 degrees? MY Husky will take this hill coming off my gravel driveway without a problem but it is, of course, front engine so that weight up front eliminates any danger of flipping backwards. Also would you happen to know whether the seat on the ZTS1 allows for installing arm rest as a purchased option because I don't see any grab handles on the Cub Cadet like my Husky has to hold onto when mowing across hills.
I mow at my work with another mower that has a bagger on the back and the front has lifted going up hills. I never noticed anything like that with this mower. The front is pretty heavy with that syncro-steer setup.
Hello. Do you get grass tear out from the rear wheels when turning sharply?
Very minimal tear out, if any. I used to have a Scag ZT and it tore it up pretty good if you're not careful.
How long will this mower run on a tank of gas? I have a large plot to mow. Thank you
I normally can mow 2 hours on a full tank, which is around 3 acres.
I have an RZT steering wheel 50” fab deck, 4 years old. Is the steering wheel easy to turn on tight turns? Mine is a two hand affair to make a tight turn, and it takes significant effort. I may have to trade up.
I normally use 2 hands if I'm making a complete 180° turn, but I wouldn't say it takes significant effort. I turn the steering wheel while moving, but I'd say it would probably take some effort it I tried to turn the wheel standing still,
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks. That’s the disadvantage with a steering wheel zero turn then. It doesn’t take any effort with a bar operated zero turn. It’s a compromise I’ll have to live with.
Part of my property has 47 degrees slope, the mower handles it well, mowing down hill.
Does anyone know where to purchase a service manual for the 972 mower? The owner’s manual is an embarrassment Thanks.
That's a good question. I've found PDF manuals on the Cub Cadet website.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks very much for the response, can you post a link? I looked all over their site, called support etc.. with no luck, Thanks again.
See if this page helps.... www.cubcadet.com/en_US/prior-year-models/pro-z-972-sdl/53TILMUY050.html#q=972&lang=en_US&start=0
im looking at purchasing one. My back yard fluctuates from 15 degrees to almost 30 on one end. Do you have to ride the brakes going down the 30 degree slope or does the engine hold it back from going too fast?
@@michaelsutherland9069 Part of my yard is 47 degree slope (steep) I mow up, turn and mow down. Mower rides down by gravity very gently (2MPH or so) , under control, I keep my hand on the hand brake just in case but no problem,
I was just looking at a ZT1 vs the ZTS1. Most of my yard is flat but I have a bit of a hill in the front with between a 15-20 degree slope. Visually, it looks similar to what you have at the 5:40 ish mark. How well did your regular ZT handle that hill area? I like the ZTS but if the regular ZT1 can handle it fine I would be happy to safe $1500.
The hill you mentioned is one I've tested many mowers on. When I'm using the ZT1, I don't go sideways to the hill, I go straight up or down. I feel more confident going sideways to the hill using the ZTS1.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks, that helps. My hill is similar, but there are trees at the top so I would have to turn sideways or turn and go back down at least a couple of laps. I may have no choice but to go ZTS.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Do you think the 42 inch would be fine to mow around garden beds? I've not had a zero turn before. The deck does not stick out beyond the tires so I was debating getting the 46 just for that purpose. But, I'm already tight on garage space.
@@Rooksfish I personally like having the deck stick out further than the tires. If you can fit it in your garage, I'd say it's worth making that upgrade.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Sir, never had a riding mower. I just bought the ZTS1 42" Sunday. All I ever did was mulch clipping coming out the side would confuse me and throw it back in the garden and walkway. Can the blades that come on it mulch, or are the mulching blades recommended? I am aware I still need the cover to keep it contained. The question is more so about the stock blades. Thx
At first, the steering wheel idea appealed to me. But is it possible turn tightly without locking one of the rear wheels? Doesn't that tear the turf? I know many don't bother to do it, but with a lapbar, to turn to the right you would put the right wheel in reverse while the left wheel would still be rotating forward.
This mower really does a nice job of not tearing the turf like a lapbar mower. The front wheels turn very sharp and the one tire moves fast while the other wheel stops or may slightly go in reverse.
I have that problem with my z force sx tears turf
Just picked up a zts2 50 today. I didn't notice it at first, but after mowing for about 15 minutes and getting off of the machine, I realized that the machine has a pretty strong high frequency vibration from the engine itself. My feet were actually a bit tingly which persisted up to an hour later. There was a lot of vibration coming through the seat as well.
Is this considered "normal" for this machine?
I also drive a Exmark commercial mower during the week and it probably vibrates a little less. I'd say there's some vibration in this unit, but nothing too crazy. When I sharpen my blades, I make sure they're balanced. Sometimes factory blades aren't balanced properly and can cause some vibration. The other CC lap bar version mower seems about the same amount of vibration.
@@MarkThomasBuilder Thanks for the reply. This is engine vibration, w/out the blades engaged. The frame is super rigid and the engine is bolted directly to the mounting plate with no isolation mounts, etc. so most of the engine vibes are transmitted throughout the frame.
The 50" uses the 7000 series 23 hp Kohler, while your 54" has the Kohler 24 hp so maybe engine harmonics are more pleasant/less severe.
It appears that CC relies on their cushy seat and rubber floor mats to attempt mitigate vibration transmitted to the operator. They have the following description on their website for these mowers:
"Soft touch steering wheel and a vibration dampening rubber floor mat provides sure footing and maximum comfort".
Both the steering wheel and the rubber floor mats are relatively hard, although they are not hard plastic. On my machine, they fail to do an adequate job, not to mention that I also noticed a tingling sensation on the bottom of my thighs right above the back of my knees. This is where they are close to the seat hard mount point on the mower - so the seat isn't doing a great job at isolating vibrations either.
This is pretty much a non-starter for me as I'm not willing to risk my health over something like this. My feet felt abnormal up to an hour or so afterwards. I'm in good health, no diabetes or anything. I don't have any issues on my old craftsman lawn tractor...
I did call CC up and was routed through an MTD call center, then finally to Troy Built, to report the issue. I'm to take it to a service center and have them check it out. I'm not too keen on that as I have pretty low expectations of an acceptable resolution. At a minimum, they'll need to use a measuring device to check the vibration levels and that they are below the acceptable exposure levels. We'll see...
Editing to say I compared the new CC to my old craftsman that has a single cyl. 19 hp Kohler. It vibrates more than I remember, but the CC seems to be a bit more intense. I guess I'll put down a layer of 1/2" dense spongy foam mat w/ 1/4" ply over it on the foot deck. Also get some isolation mounts to put the seat on. Tingles my butt as is...
I would love to see a cut on a steep hill more like 20
It's kinda flat where I live, unfortunately.
I have a Z force S since 2010 good machine
Good to hear that, thanks!
Is there a bagger that will fit this?
Yes, the steering wheel version requires an adapter kit.
I like the video but it kind of feels like you didn't realize Cub Cadet has been making steering wheel zt mowers for a while now. I have the SX54 and got it in I believe May 2017. Part of it is probably Cub Cadet acting like this "synchro steer" tech is brand new technology they came recently out with while pretending their previous ones didn't exist. Very odd of them.
Really like my SX54 and it handles hills like a champ with no problems turning sideways on them. I don't know what grade my hill is but I feel like it is 20 or maybe more for half of it and I've never once felt it unsafe or got stuck. It also doesn't tear up grass when doing sharp turns on flat or inclined ground.
Where u get your metal gas can at?
I picked it up on Amazon. I did a review on it a few years ago. It's called the Justrite.
tilt and telescope steering wheel?
It just tilts, but the seat adjusts back and forth.
When is the live video you have today?
Hey Larry, I'm planning on going live at Milwaukee tomorrow. I'm not sure what time though.
@@MarkThomasBuilder thanks
Cab Cadet had the steering wheel zero turn mowers way before 2022!
Yes, but not syncro-steer on a residential zero turn.
I still k turn, I don’t like to 180 because tend to tare turf.
This one is actually easier on tearing the turf on the big turns. It surprised me.
They still use plastic seat bumpers, the seat is great but let down by not using steel springs.
I'd like to test one with steel springs and see the difference.
I think there’s a YT video of adding springs or swapping the nylon bumpers with springs. Will update this comment with a link if I can locate it.
@RoadieWingZZ it's easy but get 3 inch motorcycle seat springs barrel type they bolt on by design through an existing hole .
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I been mowing lawn since I was 8years old and now will be 19 next month I recently got a lawn tractor last year and been practicing different mowing patterns but the way I mow I go up and down and sometimes circle but mostly up and down and cross angle but yeah .awesome video!! I been following u on instagram for quite sometime but yea I hope you have a great day!!👍
Thanks man, glad to hear it. Please comment on my Instagram sometime so I know your channel and will be happy to follow you back. Have a great day!👊
@@MarkThomasBuilder will do 👍
Never start blades at high rev
Yep, I do mid throttle and as I engage the clutch I throttle up. I have a 2004 craftsman tractor w/ electric clutch. Still going strong!
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Cub cadet mowers are very rough on your back I have a Ultima z1 zero turn mower and after I mow my lawn I'm down for a few days with my back rides very rough they need to make the seat more comfortable and with springs n not that plastic isolaters there killers
I've found some Harley springs that people say are a game changer. I'm thinking about giving them a try.
Picking up this mower. I seen you had a ant 🐜 crawling on your pants 👖 in the video
That's cool! This is a great mower and I'm looking forward to using it next week for the first mow of the season.
Haha, I saw that ant you were talking about. It looks like I flicked it away while talking.
@@MarkThomasBuilder same I pick it up tomorrow the 50 inch was using riding mowers for lawn care business for 3 years lol Excited finally for the upgrade.
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I bought the ZTS2 50” model back in March ‘22. Now it’s September and here are a few thoughts about the mower…
Firstly, the Ultima series mowers seem to be really well designed in general, whether a lap bar model or with Synchro-Steer wheel. One thing to consider is the S2 models have a heavier grade Hydro-Drive transmission (ZT-2800), which might be advantageous if you’re planning to do any hauling or a lot of mowing on steep hills.
I had previously been using a 20 year old John Deere SST16 zero turn mower with steering wheel, so I was already accustomed to the basic operating system…. But of course the John Deere did not have steerable front wheels. (that JD design has been discontinued for many years now).
With that being said, the Cub Cadet Synchro-Steer is nothing short of amazing. It really is the best of both worlds… variable counter rotating hydraulic rear transmissions and steerable front wheels.
But what I didn’t anticipate was how useful this would be with only one arm to steer with. Early in July, I was in an accident that dislocated my shoulder and severely tore my rotator cuff, requiring surgery. With my arm tied up in a sling, there was no way I would’ve been able to safely use a lap bar mower. The Synchro-Steer steering wheel system was easily usable with one arm allowing me to continue mowing my lawn following shoulder surgery.
Overall, the mower, along with the Kohler 7000
Pro series engine has been performing flawlessly. Very highly recommended!
That's helpful to know how it works for your situation. All of the comments have been positive on this mower so far.
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It would be nice if you could hack it to mow the entire yard by gps.
Haha, that type of mower is $30-$45K, from what I've seen. Maybe the price will drop as others are entering the market.
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Turf tear yikes
I noticed less turf tear with this compared to the lap bar zero turn.
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That's not a hill
Sorry, that's the best I can do here in my part of Michigan. 😂 🤷♂️
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