The new American dream: Become a corporate CEO where you get paid millions of dollars for a job that you're incompetent at and get to deny all accountability for when things go wrong then get paid even more millions to leave.
Not so sure that's a "new" dream. Been a thing for a long time but yes I totally agree. The golden parachute is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.
@@eatmanyzoos but how do you mean "good" people don't want to run them? I think they do, they just don't have the means to reach that status because of outlining factors that prevent it.
The Sony CEO is also the same guy that eagerly and very happily announced that they're going to use AI to generate images and backgrounds in their movies as a measure to save money going forward. He really stood up there, and with the biggest smile on his face, straight up said "We're using AI to cut down on labor costs." Basically admitting that they're going to start cutting out humans from film production.
Which begs the question why make a movie at all, when the best and most famous movies are known for being labors of love from specific directors, writers and behind the scenes crew? 😑
You hit the nail on the head Dan, this is why I’ve been watching you for so many years! The public is so sick of CEOs dodging responsibility but wanting to increase their profits while delivering nothing but slop. Shame on Sony, they have learned absolutely nothing.
@ Didn’t say there was something inherently wrong with profit, but when they want to increase their salary by hundreds of thousands every year when they’re releasing bomb after bomb, that doesn’t add up. Them blaming critics and audiences works for them since they can point a finger and say “See, I still deserve a raise because it wasn’t my fault Kraven failed.”
Literally as soon as I found out Dan Murrell was leaving screenjunkies I subscribed to him day 1. Him along with Roth, Ed and Hal were my favorite screenjunkies crew.
I don’t think he realizes why people watched Madame Web on Netflix. I promise him it’s not bc they thought it was good… it’s because they were curious as to why ppl thought it was bad, could watch it “for free” theoretically and they found out very quickly 😅
As a senior dev who have talked to a few CEOs and other executives, exactly this. So much this. So much of their entire persona and lives is around convincing other people that whatever company they're at shits gold. And executives switch companies all the time, so they're used to talking shit about A and uplifting B then switching to the exact opposite. Their entire world is so much based on what is said and what you can convince people of others. Hard facts, research, and independently verifiable data is just foreign to their world. Yeah they use those things, but only to convince others. And they'll have people under them do all the actual work, they merely ask the numbers to support whatever lie they want to tell. When it comes to manipulating people, they are very smart and driven. When it comes to basically any other aspect of being a human, they're childlike idiots with a short temper about things they don't understand. It is shocking how poorly they all have been at basic logical reasoning, independent of an "action plan" or something laid out for them. For people who have never interacted with executives outside the office, it's hard to get across just how stupid executives are about basic facets of life.
Now we know why these movies were so bad: the big heads at Sony have no idea what a good movie is. Turns out Ryan George's Pitch Meeting is a documentary, not a comedy..
Sony's biggest problem is that they took all the wrong lessons from Venom's success. Instead of realizing that people were just really invested in Venom, and the bizarre international marketing that went viral for Venom, Sony assumed this was a greenlight to make a ton of Spider-man adjacent movies without Spidey. They also made the baffling decision to choose more obscure characters like Madame Web and Morbius, instead of characters that there might be some excitement for, like Venom, again assuming it was an appetite for anti-hero stories. That works with Venom, who has been an anti-hero in the comics and other media, and it sort of works more or less with Morbius (assuming the movie would have good writing, which it did NOT), but giving an obscure character like Madame Web that treatment, or Kraven for that matter (who, yes, has been a bit of an anti-hero at times, but is much more consistently a villain) was just weird.
That CEO's comments about the SONY films tells you all you need to know. The dude is not thinking about running a company to make great art from films, he's only running it because he cares about that market share and how much money his films would make. He looked at the names of all the characters he adapted and thought "ya that'll make GREAT money".
It's kinda like saying taste buds are to blame for people not liking bad food. Or eyes are to blame for people not liking bad art. Yes, the ability of people to notice your product sucks does play some strong role in their bad response to it. He needs to go back over Aristotle's explanation of the four causes.
I am glad people are waking up to the true problem, class warefare. The uber rich ceos are always deflecting blame on others, while making millions more.
If people were actually waking up to this, Trump wouldn't be our upcoming president, Elon Musk wouldn't be doing whatever the f*** it is he's going to be doing and there wouldn't be a dozen other billionaires in that administration.
Redistribution of wealth is the only thing that can fight greed and ultimately save mankind. You can become rich but know if you don't act responsible with your money (which is a finite resource) or with your position you will lose the right to be rich.
The problem with having that much money and being in that position is that no-one tells you "No." anymore. And that messes with your head. There's no wonder they're out of touch with reality when they're surrounded by sycophants and yes-men who just want their money telling them that every little brain fart they have is "genius, sir! genius!"
I don't think he has heard of Occam's Razor, or at the very least uses it. Thanks Dan for all the great content over the Christmas period. It's very much appreciated. :) Hope you had a great Christmas and the year ahead is fantastic one.
I checked out Madam Web on Netflix out of morbid curiosity after it did so bad in theaters. I totally understood why it did so bad among critics and viewers...
Studio execs claiming bad film is not a bad film is the single biggest red flag when we look at Hollywood. Why do we keep getting bad movies? Because the people at the top don't know the difference between a bad movie and a good movie.
This logic is silly, many movies get panned by critics every year but are still are successful because general audiences like them. Heck most people actively ignore critics these days
These type of movies are not made for art, they are made for pure profit. The love of money is the root of all evil and a corporation has love for only money.
The way that CEO thought he had invented a great conspiracy to blame for his studio's failures - only to undermine his (aready dumb) argument by noting that Venom performed well despite the critics. It's hilarious. Almost as hilarious as the "journalist" writing this story, clearly under orders to not pose a single follow-up question to the ramblings of a man earning more being fired than most of us do our entire lives.
This CEO is clueless and biased. Of course he is going to say they are great movies. He can't be taken seriously. He can't seem to comprehend legitimate criticism and flaws in their movies. How did he get to be CEO with no self awareness and understanding of how bad some of these movies are? Unbelievable. Moronic. Out of touch.
I'm convinced that nobody at Sony even watched their own Sony's Spider Man villain movies first before even releasing it to the entire world just to humiliate it 😂😂😂
A Tarantino style buddy/team movie with B - C tier supervillains (Chameleon, Stilt Man, Tarantula, etc) on a heist in Fisk or Osbourne Tower with Prowler/Hobbie Brown as the protagonist caught up in the heist with Captain Stacey and Jean DeWolf chasing the "super crew" down could've been a fun less financially risky Spiderverse movie for Sony.
Like the CEO has no awareness that making spinoffs of B and C Spider-Man off the characters for money off the back of the MCU Spider-Man joint production was the whole intent and that no one would catch on.
This looked like a cathartic video to record. I got second hand catharsis from watching, so I hope it felt as good for you as it did for me. Happy Holidays, Dan. Thanks for another great year.
Even in the videogames industry this "attitude" is becoming quite common. "It's all fault of the gamers! They expect good games every time". Or something similar...
IMO he's genuinely so detached and delusional that he thinks Madame Web and Kraven are actually good films (if he's even seen them), so the only possible way they could've done badly is if critics tore them down.
I wonder what the endgame, of the conspiracy was? The only one I can think of was too return the spiderman film rights back too marvel! But they gave good reviews too the spiderverse films!
I missed the Critic so much. One of the funniest shows ever made, gone too soon. Also it’s pretty ironic that the Critic is co-produced by Sony and their CEO is complaining to critics about their own failures of their bad Spiderverse movies.
Someone needs to remind this CEO that literally everyone not being paid by Sony was trying to stop Sony from making these Spidy-less Spider-Man movies.
There is no accountability with any company anymore. No one admits to failure when in a position of power these days Even filmmakers like Joel Schumacher are strong enough to admit when their movies failed. He acknowledged in an interview he may not have made the best movie with Batman and Robin. These CEOs are in power are a disgrace with no respect
So true. Especially the tech people. No matter how hard their ventures fail, they will never admit they messed up and their product is awful, even when facing literal jail time. So much of “venture capital” is just pulling off an effective con on investors… they forget the general public aren’t investors and can often see right through their BS!
Thank you Dan for the news. The older I get the more I dislike CEOs. Can't wait for all your upcoming videos. Hope your weekend is going awesome because you sir are awesome!
This just proves studios have ZERO IDEA about why they keep releasing huge flops. Your movies are bad! The scripts make no sense, the actors are badly cast and directed, the VFX are a joke! Maybe, just maybe, if you started investing in actual screenwriters and let them develop their vision in a pragmatic way and started casting actors because of their suitability to the role and not their online vitality, your movies wouldn't suck so bad. Not to mention the whole money laundering allegations or deleting completed movies for tax credits shenanigans.
To be honest, I think he said that just to missdirection from Kraven. People are already talking more about his interview than on how big of a flop Kraven is, so, I guess it worked.
The failure for the spiderman spin-offs not being successful solely lies with sony. None of those movies have a fraction of the quality of the any of spiderman movies including spider man 3 and the amazing spider man 2. They only make them to retain the rights from marvel and at this point sony its time to sell it back to marvel because if you can't figure out to make one good movie out of the vast library of spiderman heroes and villians you dont deserve the rights to any of it.
Tbh, the problem is that the actual product- in this case movies- is largely irrelevant to the people in charge. All they really care about is making money for themselves and the shareholders. That’s the actual business- “make line go up.” The snag is that they largely have no idea how to do that either- so when “line no go up” they try to deflect the blame. This guy says “it was the critics” - when in reality, the people reporting on these films are basically just a reflection of the overall audience sentiment. These films flopped because we could tell from their own publicity that they were not worth our time, money, and effort to see them in theaters- the reviews just confirmed that our perceptions were right.
Is the Madame Web on Netflix different from the one in theaters? Because the one on Netflix sucks. It looks like the actors are literally just making stuff up as they go along.
Its not even that complicated. Venom would probably be in the top 30 most popular comic book characters without Spider-Man. Venom is a brand in of itself, having its own line of comics several times over. That is NOT the case with ANY other Spider-Man villain.
I'm not sure if The Batman 2 delay really means all that much regarding its potential success. Guardians 3 and Deadpool 3 were both released after 6 year gaps between follow-ups, and went on to make a lot of money. I think so long as its good, I think the audience won't mind the gap.
"... it's going to get destroyed, no matter how good or bad it is." On a certain level, the CEO knows what they were releasing because he wouldn't have added that "how bad". I watched the first two Venom movies, that's my level of culpability here. I did not like Venom as it needed a few more rewrites to fix the plot, I hated Carnage as it needed an exorcism.
Did the critic's cabal decide to leave out the Sony animated movies? The Spider-verse movies are well received by critics and beloved by audiences. Did y'all just forget to include those? As for my Dan-rant score, I say "It's fine". You weren't really fired up or angry, just bemused at the audacity of the Sony CEO which doesn't fuel a classic rant.
In all my life I've been "fooled" by the critics twice out of all of the movies I've seen, so to put blame on the critics is bad. I like The Marvels and Constantine. I wish I had seen them in theatres. I'd take the word of a film critic over the word of a ceo in every instance from what I've seen from a ceo. You and my brother have both said that no one sets out to make a bad movie. I think both of you are right. I might be wrong, but I think doing ADR is cheaper than doing a reshoot. I'm guessing that Sony didn't greenlight the reshoots so we have bad ADR. I would never want James Gunn to be in charge of children from his past tweets, but I totally agree with him that a script should be finished before filming. I don't necessarily think that people need to stick to a script, but I think it is important that a script is there, if for no other reason is to have an outline of what you plan to do. I remember all of these sketches of what Spielberg did, and I think Lucas did the same thing. Having a storyboard or script done ahead of time gives you something to work off of.
I have an uncle who worked on a cannon movie, and he mentioned that they where doing the script as they shot. The difference? The movie he did photos for was Breakin’ Two, and all the dance scenes where done with incredible effort, coordination and skill, with just enough story to pass muster. If you’re going to have a flimsy script you need something else to work well. For that movie, it was a group of talented, charismatic dancers giving their all to really well planned dance sequences. I can’t picture anyone in a Sony Spider-Man movie putting in a tenth of the effort Cannon did, and they where, admittedly, making schlock.
FLAWLESS LOGIC!!! Our movies FAIL because there's a NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN against them therefore no matter how IMPECCABLY GREAT our movies are they will always be condemned to fail. Oh, and BELIEVE ME these movies are ALL absolutely IMPECCABLY GREAT!!! ... SOOOOOoooo tragic 😌 I you sure you
Think Kraven is better than some Sony films but it being the latest in a long line of lacklustre films its not getting any benefit of the doubt unlike the films before. This will affect Captain America too even though not Sony the Marvel title credit is still used at the start and any poor run of films will affect the next in line (of any genre or type).
I'm actually done watching these Sony spiderverse movies. Unless I hear good things, I will be passing on all of them. In my opinion, Kraven made too much money for the quality of the film.
I will always remember Satoru Iwata, who, when Nintendo did badly, came out and said “We made a bad product, we will do better in the future, in the meantime the management team will take a pay cut so that we can retain our staff while our company goes through tough times.” Nintendo is still a beloved company and has consistently made excellent games for generations. That’s what happens when a company is led by competent and responsible executives.
Was the WiiU even a bad product. I never bought one because they inexplicably didn't put a Zelda on it. Or a Metroid, or a 3D Mario that had that 'flagship' feel. Or Pokemon snap. Even Xenoblade X which I was extremely excited for on announcement killed my interest by having a silent protagonist. Any one of those could have saved its fate I reckon, even though the hardware did have other issues.
@@joeldipopsI think you could class it as a bad *product* even if it's made well and had good games, if it's something that didn't find a market, even if that's just because of the marketing or whatever.
The Film Critics Illuminati meeting was one room down from the Legacy Media Illuminati meeting on 😅 Oh, and why Dan did you let Disney off the hook? They seem to really lean hard into blaming their audience for failed projects.
Sony needs a full creative and executive overhaul they need to get rid of avi arad and matt tolmach and amy pascal these people are ruining Spider-Man characters
How does a bad movie get made? Ignoring the problem of how you decide if movie is bad or not. I also don’t think anyone sets out to make a bad movie. If I read the script for Madam Web and Venom. I wouldn’t be able to tell you which one should be made. So it doesn’t necessarily start there. So how does it happen?
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The new American dream: Become a corporate CEO where you get paid millions of dollars for a job that you're incompetent at and get to deny all accountability for when things go wrong then get paid even more millions to leave.
Not so sure that's a "new" dream. Been a thing for a long time but yes I totally agree. The golden parachute is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.
Capitalism baby, you gotta love it...
@@filmobsessednerd unfortunately good people dont want to run companies and compete. if you play by rules you get held back.
@@the7percentsolution yeah, the phrasing was just part of the joke...
@@eatmanyzoos but how do you mean "good" people don't want to run them? I think they do, they just don't have the means to reach that status because of outlining factors that prevent it.
The potential audience members were researching spiders in Peru with their moms, right before they died.
And then we never saw them again.
Kraven's dad was researching lions in Africa when he got bitten by a lion and inseminated his wife and died.
The Sony CEO is also the same guy that eagerly and very happily announced that they're going to use AI to generate images and backgrounds in their movies as a measure to save money going forward. He really stood up there, and with the biggest smile on his face, straight up said "We're using AI to cut down on labor costs." Basically admitting that they're going to start cutting out humans from film production.
Such CEOs are just by-products of capitalism. Until anti-capitalist sentiment really goes mainstream, absolutely nothing will change.
Which begs the question why make a movie at all, when the best and most famous movies are known for being labors of love from specific directors, writers and behind the scenes crew? 😑
You hit the nail on the head Dan, this is why I’ve been watching you for so many years! The public is so sick of CEOs dodging responsibility but wanting to increase their profits while delivering nothing but slop. Shame on Sony, they have learned absolutely nothing.
There’s nothing wrong with profit The problem is when they blame the critics for their failures.
@ Didn’t say there was something inherently wrong with profit, but when they want to increase their salary by hundreds of thousands every year when they’re releasing bomb after bomb, that doesn’t add up. Them blaming critics and audiences works for them since they can point a finger and say “See, I still deserve a raise because it wasn’t my fault Kraven failed.”
Literally as soon as I found out Dan Murrell was leaving screenjunkies I subscribed to him day 1. Him along with Roth, Ed and Hal were my favorite screenjunkies crew.
I don’t think he realizes why people watched Madame Web on Netflix. I promise him it’s not bc they thought it was good… it’s because they were curious as to why ppl thought it was bad, could watch it “for free” theoretically and they found out very quickly 😅
And even then, clearly not that many wanted to waste their time finding out. Dan casually nuking that statement with his Chart Fu!
I hate that he still doesn't get it.
To riff on Principal Skinner:
“Am I so out of touch? No, it’s the critics who are wrong”
Damn you, I wanted to make that joke
@@freemantle85 came here to say this
When we held the meeting of the Press Illuminati, many of us were saddened you weren't there. We had quality snacks. They brought bagels!
The entire criteria for being a CEO is having a Deep, impenetrable delusion about reality and what people actually believe.
The entire job of a CEO is to glaze over your shareholders and make them sleep nice and comfy at night. It's a pathetic job.
As a senior dev who have talked to a few CEOs and other executives, exactly this. So much this. So much of their entire persona and lives is around convincing other people that whatever company they're at shits gold. And executives switch companies all the time, so they're used to talking shit about A and uplifting B then switching to the exact opposite. Their entire world is so much based on what is said and what you can convince people of others. Hard facts, research, and independently verifiable data is just foreign to their world. Yeah they use those things, but only to convince others. And they'll have people under them do all the actual work, they merely ask the numbers to support whatever lie they want to tell.
When it comes to manipulating people, they are very smart and driven. When it comes to basically any other aspect of being a human, they're childlike idiots with a short temper about things they don't understand. It is shocking how poorly they all have been at basic logical reasoning, independent of an "action plan" or something laid out for them.
For people who have never interacted with executives outside the office, it's hard to get across just how stupid executives are about basic facets of life.
Not a hot take to say that corporate leadership is almost universally useless. They are overpaid, out of touch, and incompetent.
Now we know why these movies were so bad: the big heads at Sony have no idea what a good movie is. Turns out Ryan George's Pitch Meeting is a documentary, not a comedy..
Sony's biggest problem is that they took all the wrong lessons from Venom's success. Instead of realizing that people were just really invested in Venom, and the bizarre international marketing that went viral for Venom, Sony assumed this was a greenlight to make a ton of Spider-man adjacent movies without Spidey. They also made the baffling decision to choose more obscure characters like Madame Web and Morbius, instead of characters that there might be some excitement for, like Venom, again assuming it was an appetite for anti-hero stories. That works with Venom, who has been an anti-hero in the comics and other media, and it sort of works more or less with Morbius (assuming the movie would have good writing, which it did NOT), but giving an obscure character like Madame Web that treatment, or Kraven for that matter (who, yes, has been a bit of an anti-hero at times, but is much more consistently a villain) was just weird.
The only reason the Venom movies are not as terrible as the others is Tom Hardy.
@@Koooo4 agreed. And the only reason people went to see Venom in the first place is that and because Venom is enough of a draw on his own.
In a way Venoms success was the worst thing to happen 😅
“He’s basically a teenager in the corporate world” 😂😂😂
That's like a villain in a Scooby Doo movie blaming the failure of their stupid schemes on the meddling kids!
We have a real income disparity issue, and folks in the USA just voted for more of the same.
...on steroids.
That’s the kind of CEO who would believe Morbius made a morbillion dollars
The kind of CEO Kraven' for Ma-dame billion dollars
@@autolosss that it Mad-a-million dollars
It’s the kind of CEO that would re-release Morbius to bomb a second time.
That CEO is about to be big mad about this video
Sony's inability to look inward will surely help them long term.
That CEO's comments about the SONY films tells you all you need to know. The dude is not thinking about running a company to make great art from films, he's only running it because he cares about that market share and how much money his films would make. He looked at the names of all the characters he adapted and thought "ya that'll make GREAT money".
I came for the Spider Man spinoff discussion but I stayed for the anti-corporate screed!
So the enemy of the Sony Spiderman Universe were people with opinions. Those are always the worst!
It's kinda like saying taste buds are to blame for people not liking bad food. Or eyes are to blame for people not liking bad art. Yes, the ability of people to notice your product sucks does play some strong role in their bad response to it. He needs to go back over Aristotle's explanation of the four causes.
I am glad people are waking up to the true problem, class warefare. The uber rich ceos are always deflecting blame on others, while making millions more.
If people were actually waking up to this, Trump wouldn't be our upcoming president, Elon Musk wouldn't be doing whatever the f*** it is he's going to be doing and there wouldn't be a dozen other billionaires in that administration.
They just voted for Trump so no, they're not waking up. And if they are, they're misdiagnosing the cause of wealth inequality.
Redistribution of wealth is the only thing that can fight greed and ultimately save mankind. You can become rich but know if you don't act responsible with your money (which is a finite resource) or with your position you will lose the right to be rich.
That CEO is either in denial, blind, or stayed out of the Web for way too long
Why didn't he keep quiet. Ya know, when you're in a hole, stop digging.
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So he’s a CEO…
The problem with having that much money and being in that position is that no-one tells you "No." anymore. And that messes with your head. There's no wonder they're out of touch with reality when they're surrounded by sycophants and yes-men who just want their money telling them that every little brain fart they have is "genius, sir! genius!"
Heh. Web
Or just didn't see those movies at all.
I noticed the CEO also never said the movies were good. He kept saying "not bad". Bro doesn't even believe the words he's saying. 😂
I don't think he has heard of Occam's Razor, or at the very least uses it.
Thanks Dan for all the great content over the Christmas period. It's very much appreciated. :) Hope you had a great Christmas and the year ahead is fantastic one.
Occam's Razor often dictates that the mistake was made by studio executives, so that's out immediately.
I’ve never seen a CEO having a public meltdown over their bad movies bombing and being hated. Ghoulish behavior
I checked out Madam Web on Netflix out of morbid curiosity after it did so bad in theaters. I totally understood why it did so bad among critics and viewers...
Always here for Critic references. When are you going to become an author and then you can say, “Buy my book! Buy my book! Buy my book!”
Nobody asked for a Kraven The Hunter or a Madame Web movie which is why they are failures!
“The Luigi Situation”, is a first draft title for the biopic about the assassination. Come up with a better one, I know you can.
Studio execs claiming bad film is not a bad film is the single biggest red flag when we look at Hollywood. Why do we keep getting bad movies? Because the people at the top don't know the difference between a bad movie and a good movie.
This logic is silly, many movies get panned by critics every year but are still are successful because general audiences like them. Heck most people actively ignore critics these days
"the press just crucified it"
The literal titular lead of the movie, Dakota Johnson, was trashing it before it was even released 😅
If there’s one thing I’ve learned about showbiz it’s that, usually, it takes a long, long, looooong time before anyone speaks honestly about a dud.
I hate WB for doing this to Batman and house of the dragon. It is frustrating to wait between seasons and now long awaited movies!
+ArthurKnight1899
Huh?
it's better to wait for a good movie than to receive a rushed bad movie
I'm so excited for your IT ENDS WITH US video
"It's the end of the line Ms. Webb."
"It's MADAM Webb."
Often when it’s you against the world, the issue is you and not the world….
"Press illuminati" made me laugh
These type of movies are not made for art, they are made for pure profit. The love of money is the root of all evil and a corporation has love for only money.
How dare they require movies to be good in order to give good reviews?
Since you're a Spider-Man villain now, maybe they'll make a movie about you where Spider-Man doesn't appear!
Happy New Year, Dan.
I don't blindly follow critics, but I do like the way you view movies and the entire process behind them.
The way that CEO thought he had invented a great conspiracy to blame for his studio's failures - only to undermine his (aready dumb) argument by noting that Venom performed well despite the critics. It's hilarious. Almost as hilarious as the "journalist" writing this story, clearly under orders to not pose a single follow-up question to the ramblings of a man earning more being fired than most of us do our entire lives.
I love when you find out you were in a shadowy cabal so shadowy you didn’t even know about it.
This CEO is clueless and biased. Of course he is going to say they are great movies. He can't be taken seriously. He can't seem to comprehend legitimate criticism and flaws in their movies. How did he get to be CEO with no self awareness and understanding of how bad some of these movies are? Unbelievable. Moronic. Out of touch.
Dan should have dressed up as the Green Goblin or Dr. Octopus
I'm convinced that nobody at Sony even watched their own Sony's Spider Man villain movies first before even releasing it to the entire world just to humiliate it 😂😂😂
I had to fight 3 critics myself personally when I went to see venom, I did not have the ammo to also go see kraven and madame webb /s
A Tarantino style buddy/team movie with B - C tier supervillains (Chameleon, Stilt Man, Tarantula, etc) on a heist in Fisk or Osbourne Tower with Prowler/Hobbie Brown as the protagonist caught up in the heist with Captain Stacey and Jean DeWolf chasing the "super crew" down could've been a fun less financially risky Spiderverse movie for Sony.
It was called The Superior Foes of Spider-Man, with Boomerang as the lead. It was a well-received comic series.
Happy New Year! Thanks for your content and viewpoint.
Dan needs to make the announcement...
"THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE"
Like the CEO has no awareness that making spinoffs of B and C Spider-Man off the characters for money off the back of the MCU Spider-Man joint production was the whole intent and that no one would catch on.
This looked like a cathartic video to record.
I got second hand catharsis from watching, so I hope it felt as good for you as it did for me.
Happy Holidays, Dan. Thanks for another great year.
Even in the videogames industry this "attitude" is becoming quite common. "It's all fault of the gamers! They expect good games every time". Or something similar...
IMO he's genuinely so detached and delusional that he thinks Madame Web and Kraven are actually good films (if he's even seen them), so the only possible way they could've done badly is if critics tore them down.
I wonder what the endgame, of the conspiracy was? The only one I can think of was too return the spiderman film rights back too marvel! But they gave good reviews too the spiderverse films!
I missed the Critic so much. One of the funniest shows ever made, gone too soon. Also it’s pretty ironic that the Critic is co-produced by Sony and their CEO is complaining to critics about their own failures of their bad Spiderverse movies.
Someone needs to remind this CEO that literally everyone not being paid by Sony was trying to stop Sony from making these Spidy-less Spider-Man movies.
No wonder the Sony Spider-Man Universe was such a dumpster fire.
There is no accountability with any company anymore. No one admits to failure when in a position of power these days
Even filmmakers like Joel Schumacher are strong enough to admit when their movies failed. He acknowledged in an interview he may not have made the best movie with Batman and Robin.
These CEOs are in power are a disgrace with no respect
So true. Especially the tech people. No matter how hard their ventures fail, they will never admit they messed up and their product is awful, even when facing literal jail time. So much of “venture capital” is just pulling off an effective con on investors… they forget the general public aren’t investors and can often see right through their BS!
The only thing madame web doing well on netflix proves is that there's not much to watch on netflix.
Thank you Dan for the news. The older I get the more I dislike CEOs. Can't wait for all your upcoming videos. Hope your weekend is going awesome because you sir are awesome!
This just proves studios have ZERO IDEA about why they keep releasing huge flops. Your movies are bad! The scripts make no sense, the actors are badly cast and directed, the VFX are a joke! Maybe, just maybe, if you started investing in actual screenwriters and let them develop their vision in a pragmatic way and started casting actors because of their suitability to the role and not their online vitality, your movies wouldn't suck so bad. Not to mention the whole money laundering allegations or deleting completed movies for tax credits shenanigans.
To be honest, I think he said that just to missdirection from Kraven. People are already talking more about his interview than on how big of a flop Kraven is, so, I guess it worked.
The failure for the spiderman spin-offs not being successful solely lies with sony. None of those movies have a fraction of the quality of the any of spiderman movies including spider man 3 and the amazing spider man 2. They only make them to retain the rights from marvel and at this point sony its time to sell it back to marvel because if you can't figure out to make one good movie out of the vast library of spiderman heroes and villians you dont deserve the rights to any of it.
Now, more than ever, is where we need a Jay Sherman to tell us “It Stinks!”
Absolutely ridiculous. “The buck stops THERE!”
Tbh, the problem is that the actual product- in this case movies- is largely irrelevant to the people in charge. All they really care about is making money for themselves and the shareholders. That’s the actual business- “make line go up.” The snag is that they largely have no idea how to do that either- so when “line no go up” they try to deflect the blame. This guy says “it was the critics” - when in reality, the people reporting on these films are basically just a reflection of the overall audience sentiment. These films flopped because we could tell from their own publicity that they were not worth our time, money, and effort to see them in theaters- the reviews just confirmed that our perceptions were right.
It is the fault of those people who actually saw the movie!!!! So.... the movie would make more money if nobody sees it?
Is the Madame Web on Netflix different from the one in theaters? Because the one on Netflix sucks. It looks like the actors are literally just making stuff up as they go along.
It is sadly the same movie. And worse, because in a theater you can’t pause it or fast forward 😂
Their next movie should be The Brotherhood of Evil Critics.
Its not even that complicated. Venom would probably be in the top 30 most popular comic book characters without Spider-Man. Venom is a brand in of itself, having its own line of comics several times over. That is NOT the case with ANY other Spider-Man villain.
I'm not sure if The Batman 2 delay really means all that much regarding its potential success. Guardians 3 and Deadpool 3 were both released after 6 year gaps between follow-ups, and went on to make a lot of money. I think so long as its good, I think the audience won't mind the gap.
"... it's going to get destroyed, no matter how good or bad it is." On a certain level, the CEO knows what they were releasing because he wouldn't have added that "how bad".
I watched the first two Venom movies, that's my level of culpability here. I did not like Venom as it needed a few more rewrites to fix the plot, I hated Carnage as it needed an exorcism.
Sony killed their own franchise by making poorly made movies. They needed to learn from Sonic.
"No it is beautiful art! You just don't get it! Watch it again!"
Said the Sony CEO while pointing into a toilet bowl
I been sayin that.
I was just sayin’ “I woulda really enjoyed KRAVEN THE HUNTER GUY if fkn DAN hadn’t said anything”.
Change that thumbnail, Dan - I thought we were finally getting that gritty reboot of THE CRITIC with Jon Lovitz 😞
I think Madame Web only did good on Netflix cuz people waited for it to hit streaming so they can watch it at home and riff on it. 😂
Did the critic's cabal decide to leave out the Sony animated movies? The Spider-verse movies are well received by critics and beloved by audiences. Did y'all just forget to include those?
As for my Dan-rant score, I say "It's fine". You weren't really fired up or angry, just bemused at the audacity of the Sony CEO which doesn't fuel a classic rant.
hey Dan, what is your super villain name, The Number? and did you even get a nice, velvety super villain smoking jacket out of the whole deal?
(entertainment) CEOs will blame anything and anyone before they self-reflect on their own shitty decisions
The one movie news I'd like to hear: "All studio bosses confirm together: No super hero movies anymore. Ever."
In all my life I've been "fooled" by the critics twice out of all of the movies I've seen, so to put blame on the critics is bad. I like The Marvels and Constantine. I wish I had seen them in theatres. I'd take the word of a film critic over the word of a ceo in every instance from what I've seen from a ceo.
You and my brother have both said that no one sets out to make a bad movie. I think both of you are right.
I might be wrong, but I think doing ADR is cheaper than doing a reshoot. I'm guessing that Sony didn't greenlight the reshoots so we have bad ADR.
I would never want James Gunn to be in charge of children from his past tweets, but I totally agree with him that a script should be finished before filming. I don't necessarily think that people need to stick to a script, but I think it is important that a script is there, if for no other reason is to have an outline of what you plan to do. I remember all of these sketches of what Spielberg did, and I think Lucas did the same thing. Having a storyboard or script done ahead of time gives you something to work off of.
I have an uncle who worked on a cannon movie, and he mentioned that they where doing the script as they shot. The difference? The movie he did photos for was Breakin’ Two, and all the dance scenes where done with incredible effort, coordination and skill, with just enough story to pass muster. If you’re going to have a flimsy script you need something else to work well. For that movie, it was a group of talented, charismatic dancers giving their all to really well planned dance sequences. I can’t picture anyone in a Sony Spider-Man movie putting in a tenth of the effort Cannon did, and they where, admittedly, making schlock.
FLAWLESS LOGIC!!!
Our movies FAIL because there's a NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN against them therefore no matter how IMPECCABLY GREAT our movies are they will always be condemned to fail. Oh, and BELIEVE ME these movies are ALL absolutely IMPECCABLY GREAT!!!
... SOOOOOoooo tragic 😌
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What an unexpected treat! I had no idea a Murrell video was coming out today! Huzzah! and Happy Christmas!!
Let’s see who gets to theaters first Blade or Batman 2 😂
Sony is so incredibly out of touch. We're going to keep getting these awful Spider-Manless Spider-Man films because of these morons at Sony 😂
Think Kraven is better than some Sony films but it being the latest in a long line of lacklustre films its not getting any benefit of the doubt unlike the films before. This will affect Captain America too even though not Sony the Marvel title credit is still used at the start and any poor run of films will affect the next in line (of any genre or type).
I'm actually done watching these Sony spiderverse movies. Unless I hear good things, I will be passing on all of them. In my opinion, Kraven made too much money for the quality of the film.
Bro, that CEOs comment was so out of touch... omfg 😅😂
I will always remember Satoru Iwata, who, when Nintendo did badly, came out and said “We made a bad product, we will do better in the future, in the meantime the management team will take a pay cut so that we can retain our staff while our company goes through tough times.”
Nintendo is still a beloved company and has consistently made excellent games for generations. That’s what happens when a company is led by competent and responsible executives.
Was the WiiU even a bad product. I never bought one because they inexplicably didn't put a Zelda on it. Or a Metroid, or a 3D Mario that had that 'flagship' feel. Or Pokemon snap. Even Xenoblade X which I was extremely excited for on announcement killed my interest by having a silent protagonist.
Any one of those could have saved its fate I reckon, even though the hardware did have other issues.
@@joeldipopsI think you could class it as a bad *product* even if it's made well and had good games, if it's something that didn't find a market, even if that's just because of the marketing or whatever.
What you said about customers as scapegoat, is happening in video games corpo.
The Film Critics Illuminati meeting was one room down from the Legacy Media Illuminati meeting on 😅 Oh, and why Dan did you let Disney off the hook? They seem to really lean hard into blaming their audience for failed projects.
If I listed every corporation or studio who deflected blame, the video would be three hours long. I've called out Disney before.
It was a team effort. The critics, the average comic movie viewer, the producers, directors, and writers, we all did our part.
I love the part where Dan says, _"It's criticizing time!"_
Sony needs a full creative and executive overhaul they need to get rid of avi arad and matt tolmach and amy pascal these people are ruining Spider-Man characters
Emma Roberts also pulled the "it's the internet fault" thing lol
How does a bad movie get made? Ignoring the problem of how you decide if movie is bad or not. I also don’t think anyone sets out to make a bad movie. If I read the script for Madam Web and Venom. I wouldn’t be able to tell you which one should be made. So it doesn’t necessarily start there. So how does it happen?