put these two steel had to head to see which one's going to be my primary Steel it's definitely not a scientific way of doing it but this is my results
50% or so difference in edge holding on the rope? Cant wait to try my knife out mate. Gonna be one hell of a user My chopper is 15 degrees stroped at 45 hehe most of my outdoor knives are that way 😊
I'm a huge fan of 8670, especially high temp quenching for extra hardness on chefs knives. It's so tough I don't even temper on kitchen knives. At 61-3 HRC it's fantastic
Auto temper, I remove from the quench between 400 and 700 degrees and air cool after that. That's only on kitchen knives. Everything else is 2x 350 or 2x 400, two hour cycles. You should try a couple samples to see how tough it is at different quench temps
I also quench in Parks 50 and leave extra steel on the knife so it cools quicker. Try auto tempering a few scrap pieces and put them in the vice and hit them with a hammer. It's stupid how tough 8670 is
Thank you I don’t worry about copyright claims because I don’t ever plan on making money on my channel. I do this for fun so whatever I can do to make it more fun that’s what I’m gonna do.
I'm sure you may have shared some useful information in this video, but, I couldn't understand a word you were trying to day over all of the redundant sound effects. Thanks for the upload, just thought I'd share some constructive criticism.
@@AaronJohnson1979 I've heard, for forging, it's hard to beat 80crV2, but right now, I've been doing stock removal only, and smaller, edc style knives, so I might have to pick some up.
@@Cloudstrife112233 well, 8670 is much cheaper and it’s tougher by a lot so because it’s tougher it can have a thinner harder edge and still be stable. Also, it doesn’t warp and it doesn’t collect scale in the forge. Look up Admiral Steel they have it dirt cheap their big pieces.
@@AaronJohnson1979 I had ment to say that I would be picking up some 8670. I just reread my comment and realized it sounded like I was referring to 80crV2. Are you in any Facebook knifemaking groups?
Most of the bladesmith use 5160 for large knife in my country(Malaysia). 80crv2 and 8670 carbon steel are not available here. Some said the toughness of 8670 steel is comparable to Z-tuff PM steel.
@@greenforest80 yeah I never tried that kind I have kind of a simple setup so until I get a heat treat oven I can't play around with any of the super steels
@@AaronJohnson1979 Z-Tuff is comparable to S5 or S7 shock absorbing steels with more edge holding and less rust. If I forge an ax I use S5 and temper to around RC 59 hard tempering at 550. Makes great axes.
8670 is tougher then any kind of knife steel 3v Will hold an edge longer and will be less likely to rust, 8670 will be able to handle a much thinner / harder edge much more edge stability with a thin geometry
8670 and 80crv2 Don’t get me wrong they are both beginner friendly and both very easy to heat treat but your question was what would be the best for a beginner with minimal equipment and I have to say 1084
Well some people say a cryo-doesn’t benefit simple steals but there’s a good video Larrin Thomas did on RUclips showing the differences with a Home freezer Dry Ice or liquid nitrogen. Basically any steel will benefit from a cold treatment and the colder you can get it the better
80CrV2 is basically 1080 with 0.50% chromium and 0.20% vanadium. Or like O1 with the small amount of vanadium with less carbon and no tungsten. First off at 0.20% vanadium you will not get vanadium carbides, you'd have to have 0.50 or higher to do that. What does it do then? It restricts grain growth and is why I only buy O1 with the vanadium. O1 with vanadium can be held at austenizing temperature of 1475 for 15 minutes with no appreciable grain growth and you will squeeze the chromium and tungsten into making carbides as much as possible. Then a 450 temper for two hours two times for a hardness of 60. If I were forging I would use the 80CrV2 instead of 1080 only because of the vanadium helping to restrict grain growth, but the chromium doesn't hurt anything and does help in forging. Now if I were forging a knife and wanted the edge holding of vanadium carbides I would get CruForgeV steel, it has 0.75% vanadium with 1.05% carbon with 0.50% chromium. I have forged it and it is one hard edge holding steel and I tempered it back to RC 57, but vanadium carbides are harder than tungsten carbides and being less hard didn't affect trying to finish it nor its abrasion resistance. If you do not know where to find it Alphaknifesupply.com has it in 1/4" thick bars. It isn't very expensive, but my understanding is that Crucible who makes it has discontinued it, so what is out there is all there is going to be.
Good video. I just started using 8670 and I love how tough it is. I haven't used 80crv2 yet but I know lots of people who swear by it. Like you said though 8670 is easy to get and inexpensive and for the minimal difference on edge retention I'll probably just run with 8670 till I start doing Damascus or San Mai. 8670 has nickel in it so it doesn't contrast well when forged into a billet.
Especially considering 8670 i never had one warp on me yet. And it's the type of steel you can make a knife out of there's nothing tougher it's even tougher than 3v
@@AaronJohnson1979 yea it's toughness is amazing. The reality is pretty much all high carbon steel is savage stuff. I'm beat the living hell outta 1084 and it's held up. Heat treat and edge geometry are what matter more then anything. When someone tells me a certain high carbon steel isn't tough enough for them , I'm always like what In the hell are you using it for?? Anyways good video and I'm glad ya did it. 8670 needs a little more spot light, easy to heat treat and tough as they come.
@@TheMotownPhilly sometime look up McCullough knives he's made a lot of 8670 big choppers and he does some hardcore testing like chopping through concrete cinder blocks just beats the living hell out of it and it takes it he's the one that told me how to heat treat 8670 he's very open with how he does it
@@AaronJohnson1979 yea I think I seen some of his stuff before. I'll hit him up. I seen you deep freezer it ,that was new for me. I followed Knife steel nerds heat treat and have had great results. I'm willing to give it try for another process.
I've only used 1095 and 5160. My heat treating is very similar. Take to critical/non-magetic for 1-2 minutes and quench in 120° vegetable oil. Then temper at proper temps and times. Can I follow this basic routine with 8670?
Lol I hear that a lot on this video but I look at it like this why make every video the same, why not be a little weird once in while. I’m a weird person might as well be weird in this video this isn’t even the weirdest one ive made weird right
If I was ever going to do water again like I used to before I had Parts 50 I did go into water for a few seconds and then right into oil and I did get excellent results. That’s probably the hardest I ever had 1095 before! That method does work, but I cracked about 40% of the blades and i was putting clay on the blade,, and the water was soapy salty, warm brine.
@@emilyscandycakes4530 there’s a fine line depending on the thickness of the steel and the temperature in there too long it cracks not in there long enough don’t get full hardness. I have wanted to try W-2 in water though. I think I’m gonna do that.
Children’s television sound effects and sad creepy vampire music followed up by GnR... this is the viewing equivalent of an all you can eat grass clippings buffet. Thank you for your strange knife themed video art. God speed to 200 subscribers where copyright claims on your music choices await you. Truly you are walking with Jesus, don’t stray from the path and keep starring straight into the sun.
But on a serious note I can see how a songwriter or music artist could be upset by someone using their music without copyrights. I don’t plan on making money on these videos, i’ve made over 400 knives and gave everyone of them away for free this is just a hobby for me. This is the only video I used main stream music if this is offensive in anyway I will delete the video no problem just let me know. By the way I do believe in Jesus and proud of it!
@@AaronJohnson1979 i came for the Swedish saw steel but your knife themed video art left me looking for my ass with both hands... giving away all your knives, what a hook!!! You’re pulling me back in, you generous devil you.
@@jjrossitee I have a good job I’m a union ironworker I’ve been blessed. If I sold knives or tried to make money on RUclips it wouldn’t be fun to me anymore. I hope one day 300 years from now one of my great great great great great grandkids can look back on this and say damn my grandpa was crazy lol. But at the same time at least they got to see my personality, I know I sure would be interested if one of my ancestors had a RUclips channel years ago lol.
@@AaronJohnson1979 hey right on brother, former Union sheet metal worker here. That’s a pretty cool reason why to make videos, never heard it put that way.
Great video, I appreciate you posting.
Thanks for the video Aaron. Good info.
Great video this answer the question I've had for a while now. Less sound effects and music the video would have been perfect
Thank you!
50% or so difference in edge holding on the rope? Cant wait to try my knife out mate. Gonna be one hell of a user
My chopper is 15 degrees stroped at 45 hehe most of my outdoor knives are that way 😊
Thanks for taking the time to film and post your test. It’s helpful.
I'm late to the party but thank you for the comparison sir. I've been looking at an rmj tomahawk and was curious about the 80crv2
Great steel, would make a top notch tomahawk
As for as the 8670, have you tried to polish one, and how about the finishes? I am really excited to try this steel
Super easy just get a gator belt and go right to the buffer with green compound and you can get a mirror finish very easily
Just found your channel, congratz on over 1k subscribers
I'm a huge fan of 8670, especially high temp quenching for extra hardness on chefs knives. It's so tough I don't even temper on kitchen knives. At 61-3 HRC it's fantastic
You’re saying you don’t temper at all? No type of stress relief
Auto temper, I remove from the quench between 400 and 700 degrees and air cool after that. That's only on kitchen knives. Everything else is 2x 350 or 2x 400, two hour cycles. You should try a couple samples to see how tough it is at different quench temps
@@nickstoebe2226 Yeah next time my muscle around with 8670 I’ll Try that technique sounds cool
I also quench in Parks 50 and leave extra steel on the knife so it cools quicker. Try auto tempering a few scrap pieces and put them in the vice and hit them with a hammer. It's stupid how tough 8670 is
The tunes are awesome 😎
Thank you I don’t worry about copyright claims because I don’t ever plan on making money on my channel. I do this for fun so whatever I can do to make it more fun that’s what I’m gonna do.
I'm sure you may have shared some useful information in this video, but, I couldn't understand a word you were trying to day over all of the redundant sound effects. Thanks for the upload, just thought I'd share some constructive criticism.
Thank you very much when I was doing all the weird sound effects I wasn't saying anything important but thank you for the advice
Yeah, the sound effect were really annoying.
I've been hearing pretty good things about the 8670 and have been considering trying it out.
I would go with 8670 over 80crv2
@@AaronJohnson1979 I've heard, for forging, it's hard to beat 80crV2, but right now, I've been doing stock removal only, and smaller, edc style knives, so I might have to pick some up.
@@Cloudstrife112233 well, 8670 is much cheaper and it’s tougher by a lot so because it’s tougher it can have a thinner harder edge and still be stable. Also, it doesn’t warp and it doesn’t collect scale in the forge. Look up Admiral Steel they have it dirt cheap their big pieces.
@@AaronJohnson1979 I had ment to say that I would be picking up some 8670. I just reread my comment and realized it sounded like I was referring to 80crV2.
Are you in any Facebook knifemaking groups?
@@Cloudstrife112233 yeah, I am I like knifemaking hobby
svord von tempsky knives uses 8760 steel.
these knives are tough.
Thanks for the video. Which is the better steel for a 20 inches big chopper ? Thanks
In my opinion it's whichever one you can heat treat the best. Either steel will make a great Chopper that's 20 in long.
Most of the bladesmith use 5160 for large knife in my country(Malaysia). 80crv2 and 8670 carbon steel are not available here.
Some said the toughness of 8670 steel is comparable to Z-tuff PM steel.
@@greenforest80 yeah I never tried that kind I have kind of a simple setup so until I get a heat treat oven I can't play around with any of the super steels
@@AaronJohnson1979 Z-Tuff is comparable to S5 or S7 shock absorbing steels with more edge holding and less rust. If I forge an ax I use S5 and temper to around RC 59 hard tempering at 550. Makes great axes.
@@AaronJohnson1979 Here is a heat treat for S5, it is easily accomplished in a forge.
cintool.com/documents/Shock_Resistant/S5.pdf
What's tougher 3v or 8670
8670 is tougher then any kind of knife steel 3v Will hold an edge longer and will be less likely to rust, 8670 will be able to handle a much thinner / harder edge much more edge stability with a thin geometry
What would be the best for a beginner with minimal equipment ?
Close one there probably 1084 lol
But between these two they’re pretty close maybe 8670 by just a little bit
@@AaronJohnson1979 Thank's , no 80crv2 ? so 1084 over 8670 and 80crv2 ?
@@dimmacommunication For a beginner nothing is easier than 1084 you’ll get the best results of that
8670 and 80crv2 Don’t get me wrong they are both beginner friendly and both very easy to heat treat but your question was what would be the best for a beginner with minimal equipment and I have to say 1084
What was the purpose of putting them in the freezer overnight?
Well some people say a cryo-doesn’t benefit simple steals but there’s a good video Larrin Thomas did on RUclips showing the differences with a Home freezer Dry Ice or liquid nitrogen. Basically any steel will benefit from a cold treatment and the colder you can get it the better
Bro...song is 🔥
Thanks I know you’re not supposed to do that but I don’t ever plan on making any money on these videos. Anyway, I just do this for fun.
@@AaronJohnson1979 Love the 80s
80CrV2 is basically 1080 with 0.50% chromium and 0.20% vanadium. Or like O1 with the small amount of vanadium with less carbon and no tungsten. First off at 0.20% vanadium you will not get vanadium carbides, you'd have to have 0.50 or higher to do that. What does it do then? It restricts grain growth and is why I only buy O1 with the vanadium. O1 with vanadium can be held at austenizing temperature of 1475 for 15 minutes with no appreciable grain growth and you will squeeze the chromium and tungsten into making carbides as much as possible. Then a 450 temper for two hours two times for a hardness of 60.
If I were forging I would use the 80CrV2 instead of 1080 only because of the vanadium helping to restrict grain growth, but the chromium doesn't hurt anything and does help in forging. Now if I were forging a knife and wanted the edge holding of vanadium carbides I would get CruForgeV steel, it has 0.75% vanadium with 1.05% carbon with 0.50% chromium. I have forged it and it is one hard edge holding steel and I tempered it back to RC 57, but vanadium carbides are harder than tungsten carbides and being less hard didn't affect trying to finish it nor its abrasion resistance.
If you do not know where to find it Alphaknifesupply.com has it in 1/4" thick bars. It isn't very expensive, but my understanding is that Crucible who makes it has discontinued it, so what is out there is all there is going to be.
Really want to watch the whole video but what’s up with the sound effects that are just annoying
Yup im goofy
Good video. I just started using 8670 and I love how tough it is. I haven't used 80crv2 yet but I know lots of people who swear by it. Like you said though 8670 is easy to get and inexpensive and for the minimal difference on edge retention I'll probably just run with 8670 till I start doing Damascus or San Mai. 8670 has nickel in it so it doesn't contrast well when forged into a billet.
Especially considering 8670 i never had one warp on me yet. And it's the type of steel you can make a knife out of there's nothing tougher it's even tougher than 3v
@@AaronJohnson1979 yea it's toughness is amazing. The reality is pretty much all high carbon steel is savage stuff. I'm beat the living hell outta 1084 and it's held up. Heat treat and edge geometry are what matter more then anything. When someone tells me a certain high carbon steel isn't tough enough for them , I'm always like what In the hell are you using it for?? Anyways good video and I'm glad ya did it. 8670 needs a little more spot light, easy to heat treat and tough as they come.
@@TheMotownPhilly sometime look up McCullough knives he's made a lot of 8670 big choppers and he does some hardcore testing like chopping through concrete cinder blocks just beats the living hell out of it and it takes it he's the one that told me how to heat treat 8670 he's very open with how he does it
@@AaronJohnson1979 yea I think I seen some of his stuff before. I'll hit him up. I seen you deep freezer it ,that was new for me. I followed Knife steel nerds heat treat and have had great results. I'm willing to give it try for another process.
I've only used 1095 and 5160. My heat treating is very similar. Take to critical/non-magetic for 1-2 minutes and quench in 120° vegetable oil. Then temper at proper temps and times. Can I follow this basic routine with 8670?
What’s the deal with all the obnoxious sounds?
Lol I hear that a lot on this video but I look at it like this why make every video the same, why not be a little weird once in while. I’m a weird person might as well be weird in this video this isn’t even the weirdest one ive made weird right
Lol, paracord doesn't even dull the edge the damn plywood underneath it would dull it before the paracord will 🤣🤦♂️
Either way, they were fairly tested on the same stuff same way.
For knife. 80crv2 probably unless you need the toughness of 8670.
Axe or sword. 8670.
However. ZTuff kills both.
I always wanted to try ztuzz
Good job, the steel companies and distributors love the free advertisement.
Also it might bring more popularity to these two amazing steels.
...and make it more expensive to buy...
Boy those sound clips and music would have any terrorist testify....ever try a quick quench in water and then finish in oil?..
If I was ever going to do water again like I used to before I had Parts 50 I did go into water for a few seconds and then right into oil and I did get excellent results. That’s probably the hardest I ever had 1095 before! That method does work,
but I cracked about 40% of the blades and i was putting clay on the blade,,
and the water was soapy salty, warm brine.
johnson gotta be quick with the water
@@emilyscandycakes4530 there’s a fine line depending on the thickness of the steel and the temperature in there too long it cracks not in there long enough don’t get full hardness. I have wanted to try W-2 in water though. I think I’m gonna do that.
@@AaronJohnson1979 yep...doing some 80crv2 and 52100...w2 sounds interesting also
Jeeez I honestly wanted to see this video but I couldn't handle all the annoying sound effects so I guess on to the next vid
Hit mute
اذا ماهو المعدن الذي فاز يا سيد
It’s pretty even between the two
Stopped at 1:19. WTF need for sound effects?
lol
Oh, come on go on an LSD roller coaster ride with me
I've enjoyed all your other videos, but I gotta say I can't finish this one. Too much added to the audio, commentary back ground noise.
This kind of reflects my personality I am a weird one lol
Children’s television sound effects and sad creepy vampire music followed up by GnR... this is the viewing equivalent of an all you can eat grass clippings buffet. Thank you for your strange knife themed video art. God speed to 200 subscribers where copyright claims on your music choices await you. Truly you are walking with Jesus, don’t stray from the path and keep starring straight into the sun.
Your comment was weirder then my video lol.
But on a serious note I can see how a songwriter or music artist could be upset by someone using their music without copyrights. I don’t plan on making money on these videos, i’ve made over 400 knives and gave everyone of them away for free this is just a hobby for me. This is the only video I used main stream music if this is offensive in anyway I will delete the video no problem just let me know.
By the way I do believe in Jesus and proud of it!
@@AaronJohnson1979 i came for the Swedish saw steel but your knife themed video art left me looking for my ass with both hands... giving away all your knives, what a hook!!! You’re pulling me back in, you generous devil you.
@@jjrossitee I have a good job I’m a union ironworker I’ve been blessed. If I sold knives or tried to make money on RUclips it wouldn’t be fun to me anymore. I hope one day 300 years from now one of my great great great great great grandkids can look back on this and say damn my grandpa was crazy lol. But at the same time at least they got to see my personality, I know I sure would be interested if one of my ancestors had a RUclips channel years ago lol.
@@AaronJohnson1979 hey right on brother, former Union sheet metal worker here. That’s a pretty cool reason why to make videos, never heard it put that way.
lose the music...ugh nobody uses a knife to cut nails...
I think it Phenomenal
One of the worst unnecessary sound track possible..I think even Baby shark would have been better..This has to be a joke or prank right ?
Lol I just put it on there because I knew you didn’t like the song