Who's To Blame For The Max Verstappen And Lando Norris Crash
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Who's To Blame For The Max Verstappen And Lando Norris Crash
Max Verstappen and Lando Norris have just crashed in the 2024 Austrian GP. Norris had to retire and max finished in p5 with George Russell winning the race. These drivers have reached there boiling point and a new rivalry in f1 is Max Vs Lando. What are your thoughts on todays racing incident.
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As a Max fan, I can say its 100% his fault. Had he waited to get past that turn without an incident like this, the win was bound to be his since the 5s track limit was going to apply for Norris.
absolutely true and I love that you can see it this way.
What had me curious was whether max should have gotten a penalty for gaining an advantage off the track
That way both penalties cancel each other out
Was Max even made aware of the penalty? If so, was he certain he wasn’t going to be penalized for maintaining position driving off track?
@@akhila2521 Good point there. Had missed that one. Max needs to introspect about his temperament in such situation when number of things. I think this is the first time so many things went wrong for him. The pit stop didnt go his way. McLaren being extremely competitive on one of Max's most successful tracks and then you have Checo, who is barely in the fight or support unlike Oscar. Seeing his race interview, I think he knows he is in the wrong. I love the rivalry but not at the cost of them becoming like Ham/Nico.
@@SanchezS1998i think that they didn't tell him about it
Hulk in p6 is the most exciting thing to happen this year!
an insane performance by him
Yes that is somehow refreshing
Yeah I like seeing Nico doing so well. Also ahead of Perez, once again showing how useless that guy is.
And they hardly showed or mentioned him at all😭
@@LargeFry1 Hulkenberg overtook him on the last lap lol
safe to say, we have exciting season ahead of us. As a Lando fan im not even that mad but i m very excited for future races
best way to see this my friend
only reason it was exciting at the end was because of redbulls horrible pitstop, and tire that was not good for their far. He was comfortbely leading the race with 8 sec gap.
@@Bongobananjuice Well if that is the issue, that is pretty much the case for all the teams if you haven't realized already. Not something specific to Max
@@Bongobananjuice He already got a pass when redbull did an unsafe release before lando during his first pitstop, losing easily and I just watch that part of the race, he was not 8 second behind but 6.5. He got back about 1.5 second during the last 5 laps before second pitstop.
@@Bongobananjuice thats why pitstops exist - to mix the field up
The collision was Max fault.
But Lando dive bomb twice without keeping it on track, Max had to make avoidance maneuvers. That is also why Lando got track limits. So Lando wasn’t not clean himself. The same Lando putting Max in the grass last week was for me also ok. Let them fight. It is was make F1 nice to look.
Underrated comment. Well said.
I say, Norris could’ve caused a collision much earlier with his previous dive bombs had Max not avoided him, both were playing and stupid game and thus won a stupid prize
Analysis of the incident on lap 64 was just posted so check it out!
Thats how you counter moving under braking
I think that is a balanced analysis. Max should have left more space maybe, but Norris was also coming in like a raging bull (pun intended) and tried to force the overtake, although he had plenty of time and pace. The track limits transgressions and 5S penalty are testament to this
McLaren tyre deg was unbelievable. Even Oscar was 'running long' with no drop off.
Verstappen is 26, Norris is 24. Kinda mouthwatering to think that we might have 5-6 years in the future of these two doing crazy battles like they just did. As long as they don't get shit cars.
that's the main vulnerable aspect with F1, it's not that likely that their cars will be close enough with new regulations coming.
Depends on how much the FIA dick around with the rules
I loved the race, Carlos being anonymous then ending up on the Podium was the most Carlos thing to happen, Leclerc being unlucky and messing up in Quali was the most Leclerc thing to happen.
The most LeClerc thing would be if he had qualified top 3, were behind Max and Norris before their collision, inherited P1 and then DNF'd due to mechanical failure
😂😂
Yea it's cause everybody dislike brits
@@augustofranklim5409 damn I hate you cause you're right😂😂😂
I would say Lando and Max did the same thing to push each other off track. It’s just when Max did that, it didn’t come off well. Few laps before, Lando did bad overtakes, I think it’s just Max trying to do him back.
The British hate parade was eagerly ready to make Max the villain...as per usual.
Did you notice that Max do this against every driver except Charles.
He and Charles always had clean battles, except "just an inchident" one 😂😂
I guess they have been fighting all throughout their junior careers, as well as in 2019 so they know each others style very well.
Do what mate? The entire thing was clean from Max until the end. In the end, he just misjudged how much space he had to leave and banged wheels. Nothing we haven't seen before from other drivers. And no, he didn't move under braking. He steered first, then straightened out the wheel, than braked. Small difference, but that's what makes it legal.
they're bro's?
@@DyilsOh, you've got all the data I see?
@@Dyils He very clearly made adjustments after/during braking
British fans next race will hate max even more now 😂😂
Yeah that's true but still there's no reason to to blame anyone or hate anyone in f1 unless if they have lots of reasons.
@@KidLatin27 Unless they are British😯
@@nobelabifadel8697 well yeah but I don't get why some people hate max versteepnn so much if it's because of what happened 3 years ago in Abu Dubai in 2021 then Im not interested about it I mean besides there is no reason to blame anyone for what happened that night Max versteepnn not Red Bull not Christian horner or Toto wolf or the race director or anyone else it was nobody's fault sure I get that there upset about what happened but still that's racing things just didn't work out for Lewis Hamilton at the end and Max versteepnn is a great championship whenever you like him or not but the thing is they're never get over it unless it happens.
@@KidLatin27 There reason is Max destroyed there hopes and dreams now they will hate him forever .... who cares, If ever there was a race I wish Max could win it would be Next week in Silverstone !!!!!!!!
@@samwlloyd yeah that's true and besides let's hope next time Max and lando don't take each other out at Silverstone next week and besides every racer has and fans of these drivers always have disagreements maybe Max and lando could just talk about what happened between them and besides hopefully there still friends besides they're just racing hard for the win no reason to blame anyone and people being like oh my goodness I hope lando takes out Max versteepnn or wishing that karma comes to him like no just let them talk about it and settle their differences and just apologize they can still race hard but clean.
Whoever is at fault, the way this race unfolded, not just at the front, tells us that there will be lot's of close racing in the coming races. That's what we want to see, not just one driver doing carrousel running in front.
I don't know, today's chaos was as a result of bad luck from RBR - Max looked ominous with the lead he'd built. Luckily Lando was close enough to create a fight when the pit stop compromised Max otherwise it'd have been a predicatable snore fest end like last year's season
whoever????......he moved 2 meters under braking. a full car's width.... but i guess being a max fan you have bad vision or something.
@@Volkswagen_taro-ferrari Absolutely not a Max or RB-fan. We don't like cheaters. But, we like to watch racing, not just the racers.
Who cares its racing.. They will be doing it again next week.
I think this was over the limit from the start. I'll be honest in saying while part of me thought Max and Lando had a chance of coming together, I never expected it to actually happen.
I get that Max has a highly aggressive on the limit combat style, but when you start moving under braking, that's a whole different can of worms.
Fantastic breakdown as always, man!
If this was over the limit we don't want racing honestly. Do you have to get a penalty every time someone locks up a tyre while overtaking?
@@suckieduckie DTS fan no other driver moves under breaking get his nuts out your mouth
He didn’t move under braking on the contact. Lando just ran into him due to not controlling his closing speed again.
After the sketchy defensive moves by Max and the Marshalls not stepping in (to at least look and make a call either way) I was telling my wife Lando had no choice now but to make a legal move and let Verstappen either provide space or hit him. and Force the marshalls to make a call or potentially be cheated/officiated out of a race. Hated seeing it happen a lap or two later, but it's a reality in sport: if the refs don't weigh in during line-toeing dangerous play/driving, they'll be forced to after an injury/crash.
As a Max fan, it was definitely on Max. Here's my interpretation - Lando didn't put 2 left wheels on the kerbs. Max thought he would because that opens the corner up more so you can have a better exit. Essentially, Lando was more to the right than Max expected and thus gave less space. So it's really just a bad judgement of where Lando is (remember Lando was on the left and it was a right corner, Max can't keep staring at his left mirror so this was a gut feeling thing he had to do and his feeling was wrong). It's really not as big of a deal as some people try to make it out to be... some people are saying he intentionally hit him... ridiculous. Just made a bad judgement about Lando's position and accidentally banged wheels. Nothing we haven't seen from many other drivers before.
Best comment here. I think you are right, he is trying to unbalance the car in order to pivot it fast and get traction at the exit. But he didn't consider (wrongly) that Norris would be there. Anyway, I think Max before was at the limit of waving, and Lando was at the limit of bombing (again). Unfortunate outcome for both, worst for Lando. But it's good to see Max being pressured enough to start making mistakes.
100% what happened.
But Max flicked his car outwards at or after the apex, right? He did that AFTER they initially hit, so he knew very well where Lando was at that moment. Looked weird to me, and it certainly caught Norris off guard.
@@MaznameIdk if that was on purpose though, i haven’t seen Max’ onboard but looks a bit like he understeered out of his own control, but i really can’t say for certain.
Looks like it’s Max understeering part of the incident that ruined both their races imo.
The FIA came up with this new rule (No moving under braking) specifically to address Max behavior 8 years ago. In this instance you can see that he went from defending the inside line to pushing Lando to the outside curb, all this happened "Under Braking". This maneuver is accepted only if the driver is ahead when coming out of a curve.
I totally disagree. He’s aloud to swing out to make the turn. That’s NOT moving under breaking. That’s the IDEAL RACING LINE. He’s ahead. He chooses his line. NOT moving under braking.
I have to agree here, I fail to see how this was clearly Max's fault so hard as everyone else sees it. It was clearly Max's corner and there was enough space for Lando on the outside, but that doesn't matter much anyway since it was 100% Max's corner, he doesn't need to leave space then. It's Lando's fault for being in a dumb spot when he is behind before the apex.
The turn before where Lando divebombed and forced Max off the track was in my opinion way harsher but since Max evaded the collision and held on to his position, no call was made.
@@HenkeHL thank you. All this hate for Max is insane. Lando was not “respectful” like he claims. He was crazy aggressive and out of control. Yes, Max makes dive bombs but USUALLY he’s under control and still makes the apex without locking up, which is totally ok.
@@jordanw24 Since Max has been so dominating the last few years, it is easy to be target for hate and everyone follows the mainstream opinion without even thinking. Don't get me wrong, I love battles and I wish every season and grand prix was this exciting with battles for #1 but everyone putting ALL the blame on Max here is just crazy to me.
Of course he’s not “aloud” to swing out to take the turn under braking, if it’s to block another driver. That’s specifically what the rule forbids.
Verstappen didn’t try to blame anyone else in the post race interview. But Red Bulls pit stop is to blame, plus they could’ve told Max Lando had a 5 sec penalty looming too. Max was sticking his elbows out too far and that because Red Bull screwed up his hard work and all he had was that 8 second lead too lean on after being put on scrubbed mediums and they screwed him. But Max didn’t put the blame on anyone else in the interview.
Max has some of the most consistent and fastest pit stops out of the whole grid. Sure it was a bad stop but the amount max has gained from good pit stops he was very very much overdue one
Right, except that when the crash happened Lando's penalty had not been announced yet. "Looming" does not equal certainty: the race stewards could have just let it go. That one is on them who (as usual) took a very long time deciding penalties.
@@ernestogasulla7763 It wasn’t put in the TV yet yes.
we know damn well how the FIA works, its not a coincidence that right after the incident lando was given the penalty. If he overtook max for the race win, FIA would very probably not have given him the penalty (we know how FIA works for show and not to enforce rules)
@@AceliiousBS
The driver who surprised us the most today was Russell. Apart from risking the team result at the beginning, when he was battling with Hamilton, he drove so well that, in fact, we did not recognize his driving style.
Congratulations to Russell on improving his driving style so much & winning the race.😊😊
What do you mean risking the result with Hamilton? Was it not a straight forward DRS re-overtake. Prior to that he'd said to the team he was saving tires.
Good analysis. I have no problem putting this one on Max, but some people lose all sense of perspective. F1 needs controversy. and some salt and pepper. It has always been that way and always will. On to the next race, looking forward to a warm reception of the British public for my man Max 😅
Say whhhhhhat ? A British warm reception for Max ! Take a snore please !
You are 100% incorrect, in exact same scenario it was Verstappen in Lando's place, dived in and Hamilton cut him off, Verstappen's comment was "That is what happens when you don't leave space ".
Using your own driver's words to prove YOU wrong
ruclips.net/video/_VSwwZYDW94/видео.html
This is what we want this is the nature of sports this is competition lines will be crossed people will get emotional but this exactly what F1 needs
Flashbacks of 2019 at Austria imo… for this incident, 100% on Max
No way
That time he got away with it, this time he paid the price😂.
Big karma tbh, Max doing exactly what Lando did today back in 19’. That time it paid off, this time, not so much
If you look at the onboard, you can see that Max had his steering wheel strait the whole time during breaking, therefor he was not changing direction under breaking, he even steered away from Lando to turn into the corner before the collision occurred.
These people don't care for facts...they must vent their hatred.
Just watched his onboard he begins breaking into the corner turns left to squeeze Lando. There’s a video on RUclips. Funniest part is he tries to cover right realises Lando isn’t in his mirror and then turns slightly left. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Yeah nah. He turned left and the onboard shows it. Try again champ. E for Effort though.
More I look at it the more I believe Lando had space to move more to the left. He could of easily gone half a car to the left. Its racing, if you don't expect the other person to try and close doors and squeeze you out then you are in the wrong place.
Lando squeezed Max more on previous race. Max still just went even wider. Its simple.
Lando could of done the same. And totally avoided the incident.
He seemed too hot generally on those laps, both of them did. And in the end, nothing wrong with that either. Just that sometimes these battles make for the greatest moments, other times they are incidents.
Neither of them ultimately deserves blame, or penalties, they pushed hard, that is what they are there to do. To push hard.
I taught that what Max did was normal, since he going to a sharp right turn, he gonna steer his car as left as it can be, especially his car is infront, not side by side. And not blaming Lando to try on the outside, but i think he should have expected that, and be prepare to steer more to his left since there still some room for him to go to. Also, he could have pass him with DRS, no need to take this kind of risk.
This season is such a nice surprise and reminds most of us why we love this sport, the uncertainty, passion and race craft all coming together. Didn’t think we would have 5 race winners before the summer break back in Bahrain.
Great video as always buddy!
Something different but I don’t think anyone should be allowed drs from back markers! They’re entitled to get out the way of the leaders anyway so why do they need drs all it does is spoil the fight a little when someone is chasing them!
Verstappen was at fault for the contact causing the punctures, but I get so annoyed when people like Norris will dive-bomb a corner and basically impede or run off the driver and have the nerve to say they were ahead in the corner. No Norris, you were .5 seconds on every divebomb and went straight instead of turning right. And the 5 second penalty for track limits should've been handed to him immediately, what was there to discuss? Norris already had the black and white flag and clearly missed the corner, went off track, gained an advantage and took the lead. It doesn't matter if he gained the position back, it's a slam dunk penalty.
Ahh yes the move that Max has trademarked. The same move he has done repeatedly and gets zero penalties from. It almost sets the precedent don’t you think…
Have you watched Max since he joined F1? What you are describing is his signature move.
did u see that max fainted a move causing lando to get confused and causing that brake lock. No you would not have seen that because u do not want to see max in a bad light. max weaved on the right the first time lando tried to overtake. Before you say thats not true watch the video again and see max chnaged his direction after their brake marks of after 100 m.
Well if he let him buy without moving under braking he would not get dive bombed. Max knows he is unlikely to get penalised and he does not want to finish second.
I'll have to agree with the others, lando was just doing what max does usually. As people say a lot Hard racing, they both pushed each other off track, lando seemingly wants all the blame on verstappen, which is fair for the incident that destroyed the race. The rest of the fight was hard, and both drove over the limit, lando sent some very late dives, and the last move on the outside is a recipe for issues, he probably was thinking about pulling a switch back on max, when max goes to the outside kerb, but max moved he's car to lando which was a mistake. In the end even if they didn't collide, max could've locked up doing that move if he was under brake, i know you can turn while trail braking, but it's still a risk, especially when having someone next to you, while being off the racing line. Sadly that's max's fault, lando could've been more patient and waited for a better opportunity, but he might have thought about a possible penalty, and tires going off, so he went for it.
Btw this is the conclusion from just the highlights, there's probably more to it than that
I rewatched the highlights and im already doubting what i said. Just leave it up to the stewards since we don't know much at all
Great video! I would love to see these recap/review videos for every gp.
Lando had plenty of room to avoid crash because off track there is not grass also Max didn't move over that much. Lando just didn't want to miss out on winning
100% max’s fault he moved under breaking multiple times and on the last move he veered to left causing him and lando to collide
I do believe this as well.
Also this will be good for Lando it’ll make him a better racer especially wheel to wheel
Max is showing that even after 60+ wins and 3 world champions he is sorry to say that dirty. I mean if you can't accept defeat and the rules, just change sport. You can't win everything, you just can't drive recklessly like that. He should have been given 3 to 5 place penalty for this.
@@danielvilliers612 Hamilton still is after 100+.
@@danielvilliers612
Same could be said about Hamilton then. After 100 race wins he still causes collisions with other drivers.
Alonso too. Look how he drove into Zhou today. Despite 20+ years of experience in motorsports.
The reality is no driver in history is capable of racing completely incident free until the end of their career without being a total pushover. Even after years of experience.
Im blaming the stewards partially for taking an eternity to announce the Lando track limits penalty. If that has been announced in a timely matter then maybe, just maybe, Max would have not have been fighting so hard since he wasnt going to get 5 second gapped in a few laps.
Im blaming the stewards partially for taking an eternity to announce the Max track gain place advantages penalty after he out of the track.
Max also had no tire at one stage and was still trying to defend. I think its just deeply embedded into him and he's fighting for that position with or without the penalty being announced.
When first watching this incident you think that it's 100% on Max. However when looking at other examples in the past I don't think it's as clear cut as it at first appears to be. First of all nobody complained about anything that didn't cause damage (duh), but the only thing that Max did when they crashed was squeezing Lando. That obviously can be a dangerous game but in previous examples such as Verstappen vs Sainz 2023 at Austria or Lando vs Max at the start of this year's Spanish GP Max was the party that moved in order to avoid the squeeze. In those cases nobody got a penalty because nothing happend, in this case Max is villainized and got a penalty because it ended in a collision.
Max is factually at fault. Whether other drivers have driven off track to avoid it or the FIA was inconsistent with decisions in the past is irrelevant. Max is REQUIRED to leave a cars width once Lando gets that line and he factually didn't. There can be debates over if both where dirty that race but on this specific incident its 100% Max's fault.
The feeling you get when you see that they had contact and got punctures was honestly indescribable. What a dramatic race and great analysis
I think max is to blame. However, neither of them had good wheel to wheel racing. Lando couldn’t pull of a good overtake wether it was pushing max off track or getting track limits. Again, I’ve been proven that Lando is struggling to fight Max correctly. Max also wasn’t great with wheel to wheel this race either. It is possible to overtake Max though, look at Austria 2022 with Max and Charles.
this is very true as well
Yeah exactly neither were clean but max did step over the line a bit and lando was being desperate as he couldn’t get a easy overtake
look, Max stopped Norris from overtaking him by breaching the rules - Norris wasnt tidy, in fact he was positively scrappy, but his best chance to win was taken away by an illegal move. It wasn't moving under braking, it was failing to leave space to which Norris was entittled. The moving under braking probably should be addressed by the FIA, but i doubt it will be
@@mutleyeng Lando breached the rule by violating track limits 4 times and gaining time (3 were in the 5-6 laps of chasing Max down).
@@mutleyeng Well it seems the FIA took 5 laps to decide that Lando went off AGAIN when clearly he did!!! but took them like 1 Lap to decide the "Touch" was Max's fault ???? Interesting !!!
Max should have had a warning for moving under breaking after the second time
Except he wasn’t. Repeating what others say doesn’t make it anymore true
He actually was. We all saw it mate 👍🏻@@arjenkersing
@@arjenkersingExcept he very clearly was if you watch back those laps
covering your eyes and ears does not make everyone else ignorant to the facts of what happened. max is the best in f1, but he isn’t perfect and he 100% moved under braking multiple times this race
@@arjenkersing he was reacting to the car behind him in every clip u see....therefore moving in the braking zone!!
Lando should have never given up the position as his friend likes to do.
The best unbiased comment I’ve seen for this incident , i see it as a racing incident
Max is to blame..... Lando was clean and gave enough space for max so perfect punishment deserved
lando cut it close but I agree
Lando was in no way clean, crash was Max’s fault more fair enough but no way u can seriously say lando raced clearly. Bro was sending it from so far back he couldn’t even make the corner
@@pawelburdach1982yeah and he gave the positions back.
@@SwaggySimon20 He gained time by violating track limits 4 times (3 of those within the 5-6 laps of chasing Max).
Lando got a penalty for exceeding track limits. How is that clean racing??
If stewards gave him the penalty in time we never have this conversation. FACT.
One of the most interesting race of this season. It had action almost between everyone.
This is the best race review I’ve seen in a long time. Concise, helpful commentary and informed takes on battles and strategy, handled the main battle well… fantastic. I’m really happy I get to see this channel and your videos grow. I just wish the F1 drama didn’t have to come with it in the comments, but I guess that means you’re doing something right. Great job!
So glad you made a video on this! Awesome content 😁
SkyF1 needs to be reminded that Lewis got a 10 second penalty for ending Max's race while sending him to the wall at 50gs
Funnily enough
This is a 70% Max 30% Lando
The lap earlier where Norris did the same but Max avoided tbe crash people already forgot about it 😂
true the time penalty is always so interesting with the fia
100% Max. Moved under braking each time, thus hitting lando.
So dive bombs were not an issue when he was dishing them out to Leclerc, Kimi, Vettel and LH?
Still on about this?
@@Teerifficgolf I guess because it's similar case where the 10sec penalty for destroying a car( in a less spectacular manner) and ending a race feels underwhelming. Especially since the other driver does still gets to finish and rack some points in.
@@Alumnikiid Did you read the post you're replying to? I'm asking because your reply is illogical in response to it.
Well, both werent exactly clean. But its lack of experience fighting for wins that cost Norris this time. He was to eager, and Verstappen tried to make him getting another track limit. In wich he succeded btw. Norris locking up 4 wheels showed he wasnt thinking straight either. In the end, it's Norris that got hurt the most. Not only did he lose 10 points, he also will receive another penalty. What everybody seems to have forgotten, is dat Norris had a 5s timepenalty for tracklimits, to be served when entering the pits, or added to your racetime if you dont pit anymore. But Norris pitted within the race, and the crew started working right away. So its a penalty not served, wich usually ends up being penalized on the next gp with a 3 places grid penalty.
Let's see if they follow the rules or not.
F1 is not GT3, F1 cars are not supposed to crash, hard racing is not crashing, even though crashing can happen in F1, it is only acceptable when accidental, not because you don’t want the other driver to pass you
Agreed. Out of the two drivers you can tell who sees the cars for how fragile they really are.
Crashstappen clearly to blame as he steered to the left towards Norris !
From Max's perspective - Lando was given free passes to divebomb him - he did get penalized later - but in light of that he pushed the rules past breaking point.
Max is to blame - after you dump the majority of the blame on the stupid officiating and crazy unworkable overtaking rules.
Sure, he'll take the penalty and apologize to his friend Lando - but who's going to put the blame where it should be?
The irony is that we need more of this and less of FIA saying this is wrong...
We used to call this racing now you call ot a penalty 😮
lets just agree and blame Ocon😂
Watching F1 since the 90's Lewis going on the white line at the pit entry has always been a penalty. The rule feels nearly as old as time itself. So Lewis getting a penalty is not ridiculous. It doesn't matter that je was sliding. It would be more ridiculous if he didn't get a penalty like at Germany 2019...
Max said after the race that:
In all circumstances, he never turns the wheel once he hits the brakes (in the context of turning plus braking at the same time).
He states he made a small trajectory correction to the left to cover off the dive bomb, then straightens the wheel, just before he applies brakes.
He says he is still braking in a straight line from the reference point of the car (which he seems very confident that he likely prove from telemetry), but now this trajectory is no longer parallel to the track.
Rules don't say anything about driving having to break parallel to the track lay out while defending.
He said he will look at other footage and reconsider his view, but until then, Max didnt feel he did anything wrong.
Max never thinks he does anything wrong
He said he straightens the wheel before he brakes.
This comports with the onboard view, he doesn't look in his left mirror until the moment he suddenly realizes where Lando is. At least that's my interpretation from what I saw.
he still broke the rules as he didnt leave space that he was obliged to - even if you take him at his word - which personally i dont
@@fintonmainz7845he said that 💯, correct.
The accident was 100% on Max.
Lando's DNF was 100% on Lando.
Dude drove into the pit like an idiot, let the tyre destroy the entire car! Just drive back like Max did and he'd proberbly would've finished 5/6th.. Rookie move.
Reminds me of Leclerc once killed his car with his own rear tyre.
another great video, love the analysis, great work.
Thank you my friend ❤️
I dont know if this will help, but the onboards might paint a different picture. I believe so because of the fact that it covers a more important perspective, especially the actual gap given by VER and the steering wheel input by both NOR and VER.
When the crash happen both didn't know about the 5 sec. penalty for Lando. Under investigation. Max and Lando were in a fight and Lando had not enough patient. Max move to that corner like everybody do, but Lando give him no space.
Finally someone with eyes.
lando wasnt the one who should have been giving space he was as far on the outside as he could be max had to leave a cars width to the white line and he didnt
Lando gave him no space when the crash happened?! What are u waffling?
@@MrBashembro max literally pushed him out off the track by moving under braking. He did that all the times lando tried to pass him. He should've had a penalty
Way before that
They are both the same.. The push others wide all the time, complaining about it when it happens to them.. A bit sloppy today. Lando pushing Max onto the grass at the last race set a tone for these battles.
100% Rubbing is racing !! Lando acting like a spoiled brat telling his team his getting out the car when he could have changed tyres is really immature from him.
I like how he glossed over the fact that Russell was moving under braking too early in the race holding his teammate up and blocking until his team gave Hamilton the most bizarre of instructions to give a place to Sainz before any directive from the FIA. So to say he had a clean race is disingenuous.
0:45 everybody’s wasn’t on mediums to start the race. 19 of the 20 drivers were on mediums to start the race. ZHO starter from the pit lane on hard tires.
It is not forbidden to move in the braking zone; it is forbidden to move under braking. Without telemetry, the "Max moved under braking" is entirely speculative!
Alex Brundle said he did not move under braking.
He moved twice while defending, under Appendix L... that's illegal.
I get people see Max has a golden child but let's not cope too hard now.
@@parthosarathimaxoteklol you're blind .. movement underbraking is very visible 😅u can see a car rotate slight
@@pullshow.. And you sir can’t read. The regulation says the driver can’t turn the steering wheel under braking. The car doesn’t need to be parallel with the track. The movement that you see is the result of whatever positioning and steering Max did BEFORE braking.
It's good for f1 so whatever
Max
Thanks for leading with the main issue (moving under braking) and not the relationship between Max and Lando. After several potential double moves (and Brundle didn't disagree) and no word from the marshalls, Lando had no choice but to attempt a move and allow the result to speak for itself. When he did, the marshalls were forced to take their eyes off the white lines and weigh in.
Max has some serious anger issues, when he's winning by a mile hes all happy and joking but when he has to actually race he losses his head worse than any driver ive seen in over 30 years of not missing a gp. He would have much more respect if he could control his temper.
How rite you are my friend put him under pressure and he cant handle it
People forgot that Max was always doing stuff like this before 2022 when he did not have the fastest car and most drivers backed down to avoid contact. Max clearly moved into Lando under breaking - i reckon we will see more of this when he isnt driving alone in front
The max fans may have forgotten old max, but the drivers have not.
Old Max was messy in car v car racing. It will be interesting when the Ferraris and Mercedes are properly in the mix. Then we’ll see who can really drive wheel to wheel, and who uses the car as a bartering ram.
People forget (weird, cause it's only 7 days ago) that Lando pushed Max into the grass on a f'n straight.. Max was the smartass there. Now he retured the favor and people are whining like babies..
@@kupuh People aren't whining, they are excited by this dogfight, it was the most exciting thing in F1 all year. Some core max fans do seem upset but who cares about that he didn't lose championship points so he basically still won.
@@lightninghopkins4014uhhh I would read more comments, especially on other RUclips channels or most of all instagram and I’m sure Twitter. People are most certainly whining lol. Especially people that don’t like max
He moved to the left slightly and went deeper to cover off Norris. Norris was attempting to hang it on the outside and wasn't expecting Max to do that, so he turned in and they collided. It was a racing incident at most, both were at fault and the punctures were more than enough of a punishment. Lando was driving in an erratic fashion for quite a while, like he had something to prove and that's probably due to him getting mugged by Verstappen and Piastri Yesterday.
where there is a breach of the rules, it isnt a racing incident. There was a breach of the rules. If you think it should be a racing incident, then you need to get the rules rewritten - you dont just get to decare it a racing incident though
Lando was being very annoying and Max responded in kind IMO. Sure, Max did 'move' a bit under braking from lando's POV, but realistically max didn't really force Lando off like how Lando forced Max off.
Now after the puncture, Max went on his revenge tour and pushed Lando onto the grass, point blank, no questions asked. IIRC thats why he got those 10 seconds, and rightfully so.
@@mutleyeng There were pundits agreeing that it was a racing incident. They ignore their own rules all the time.
@@Elvewizzy. Max went a little wide, but as you say, Lando also was a bit too rash in forcing a fast overtake.
Lando didn't turn in at all
Very respectful opinions to all drivers. It's racing. Everything can happen. The buttomline is "it's fun to watch" all these talented drivers competing. Congratulation to George. Great analysis video.
Great commentary and read on the race, no blaming or ridicule, just good hard racing…great vid
I am no Max fan, but Lando's first two attempts to pass were clearly aggressive dive bombs. For anyone trying to say they weren't, why is Lando locking up each time? That can't be argued against.
On the third attempt where there is contact, yes Max is defending and moving right to left, but his line is straight and started very early into the corner. There is no sudden jerk of the wheel or double move like so many drivers do. Lando also has a lot of space to move based on the line Max is taking. Sure, he doesn't WANT to move over, but this is defending in F1 today. Lot's of drivers try to take an aggressive line and force the attacking driver to go around. Again, there is space to be had and I don't get why Lando doesn't make a correction to avoid contact. During his previous two dive bombs, Max makes major corrections to avoid contact. When it was Lando's turn he just plainly doesn't.
The worst part of it all is that Lando had the clear pace advantage, but he is dripping with impatience instead of letting the opportunity come to him. He should have used the 1st of the double DRS zones to close in and then use the 2nd for the pass. Or, use the lap to be right up behind him going into the pit straight DRS zone. All three times, Lando goes for it in the first zone. I don't get it.
For me, Lando has his fare share of blame for the contact. I'd say it's 60/40 Max to blame. Max deserved the penalty because ultimately his 60% of blame resulted in a driver being knocked out of the race. But to hear Lando carry on after the race that he did nothing wrong, I hope that's just anger talking.
It's interesting to see that Lando has made some pretty regular mistakes in the last several races now that he and Max are going toe to toe. It reminds me of when Max was desperate to beat Lewis and would try wild throw it in passes forcing Lewis to avoid him. It's up to Lando now to reign it in and become as polished as Max has become. That's the difference between a great driver and a World Champion.
You'd prefer DRS passes? If there's not contact then it's what everyone wants to see. Late on the brakes, get the car stopped. Apply penalties accordingly if needed. That is it.
@@guyrivington2247that’s what drs is made for… and also it’s safer and better and they would lose less time to the car behind when passing under drs and max didn’t move under braking he moved in the braking zone but when he brakes he doesn’t move(so he doesn’t lock the tyres)
Lando is locking up bc he has to move his wheels bc he has to react to Verstappens moving under braking. Nevertheless, the divebombs were really risky...
I am a hard core hamilton fan but this a blessing from you f1 jesus 😅, really fun win for george 💙💜
a win is a win, even toto having a laugh lol
Great video and comments!
It was a fun race, but it's disappointing to see the commentators and people immediately dogpile on max.
The british mafia was strong in them! It was a small bump, and they treat it like the silverstone hamilton/verstappen crash the other way around haha
They even discarded all the evidence shown by Alex Brundle.
@@parthosarathimaxotek You are discarding 99% of pundits because one of them agrees with you?
@@lightninghopkins4014 You are discarding the pundit who ACTUALLY reviewed the telemetry to come to that conclusion. And even if it is 1/5 pundits on Sky, it is NOT 99%. Listen to Peter Windsor, a former F1 team boss and self-proclaimed Hamilton fan. Max was driving beautifully within the current rules. He did not turn the steering during breaking; it was always before breaking. The movement you see before that accident results from his car placement and steering BEFORE breaking.
@@parthosarathimaxotek I can tell you feel strongly about this. So I watched the Peter Windsor video, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. He said clearly, Max broke the rules, he just doesn't agree with the rules. Then he also says Max didn't move to the left at all, and I'm sorry, but you can clearly see he did (braking or not) in all the replays in this video. Also Windsor clearly admits twice that Lando had fresh tires and Max did not have the pace and so of course Max would try to block, he's a competitor. I'm sorry but for 3 laps he was obviously doing everything he could to block. Windsor also says that if Max wanted to win he should have just let him by and used DRS to pass and he probably would have won anyways.
Finally he says he thinks the decision by the stewards is "probably ok".
Meanwhile Christian Horner said Max had his elbows out. That's really all I need to know.
Even most Max fans can admit he was to blame, it's super obvious that he could have easily driven that corner without blocking but he didn't try to do that. And final results are max #5, lando #20, so what exactly would be a result that would make you happy?
It’s obviously max’s fault. Giving flashbacks to his fight with Hamilton. When he’s got a challenge he cheats, simple 🤷♂️
100%. He's a dirty driving.
Cheating really. That’s like saying everyone who gets a penalty is a cheater. It’s racing and every driver races over limits sometimes. Cheating would be more like adding an extra feature to the car without anyone knowing.
We need to have a point for "drift of the day" nice one from lewis
Max's fault at that specific incident, but I think you missed out the issue of the FIA yet again.
- Why did it take 5 laps of this to figure out a 5 second time penalty for Norris when he went off the track. Either he did or did not, if that had been given earlier Max could factor that into the decision making
- Why wasn't Max warned / reprimanded about moving under breaking, show him a black and white flag for unsportsmanlike behavior before it comes to this
- Probably same b&w flag for Norris for all the divebombs he did
This is pretty much the FIA saying: yeah, nothing much has changed since 2021, just business as usual. If Max never sees / feels the issues with his driving behavior, and he's well within the RB / Jos Verstappen echo chamber, how is he ever going to learn? It's up to the FIA to be a lot quicker on the ball and act / warn before it comes to race ending collisions.
Max also ran Lando off the track after the incident bad alround from him.
I think that’s because he had a puncture and couldn’t control the car well
@@srthebox4946 BS
@@anubiam3004 he had a rear tire puncture and that probably meant the car was a bit hard to control, I can hardly imagine he was purposely thinking of running Norris off the track when he had to worry more about just getting the car back to the pits
He drove on three wheels mate.
Some people stick to false narratives rather than look at the facts. Max has left-rear blow-out prior to turning into the corner. He didn't have full control of the car as a result.
The collision was on Max, even if he only moved 10cm to the left and Lando had plenty of space on his side. But Lando was gaining advantages like crazy with offtracks, especially at least one into the first corner. Also, the dive bombs with pushing Max off the track where ridiculous. Lando got into that situation by chance due to the at least 4 seconds gained on the pitstop and even if he would had past, a five second penalty would had taken the win away from him. So, the question is: It's more Max's fault for moving a few inches under braking or Lando's for cheating the track to gain advantage, because he has nothing to lose with a 5 sec penalty and all to gain if he pulls away in front? This strategy of cheating the track was clearly studied before the race by McLaren. From this perspective, my blame is like 60 - 40% on Lando.
Edit: I'm gonna get alot of hate, but after watching the replay Max had no sudden move to the left. He had a clear line all the way under braking. Even if he squeezed Lando, he left plenty of space on the left - Lando turned on him or simply run out of space.
This was a minimal squeezing incident with high consequences not compared with the one in Catalunia when Lando pushed Max off the track in a much more dangerous way.
Thats also my read. Both went on the limit and over. Thats a race incident for me, slight bump which could have had no effect on the cars, but in the end tires exploded. Lando destroyed his car driving like a madman thinking he could still win it bringing it back to the pits. People are getting soft, acting like he rammed lando lol.
The collision was on Max, Lando penalty of 5 sec was also on Max who kept pushing him wide and off track.
Max also did not get a penalty for going off track and gaining a position, where Lando did on the lap before.
Max also Intentionally pushed Lando off track after the crash.
Both of them Pitted at the same time, and you know why?
Max was slower than Norris and the gap was getting smaller and smaller.
IF there was no error of RB side in the pitstop Lando would've catched him anyway within 5/6 laps before the end of the race.
In Spain , if you are referring to Lando closing on Max at the start of the race, that is exactly what Max keeps doing over and over, same as the Dive bomb.
Stop using 2 different measurement for the same thing, just because it suits your tought.
Stop trying to defend Max by just giving him the "Fault" for the touch, when Max is known to be an idiot when defending.
He almost killed Hamilton back in 2021 in Monza and did not even care to check how he was after the crash.
This is gonna set a new standard for him from next race, i expect Norris to treat Max the same way,
The FIA didn't do their job in making decision about Lando track limit. As Redbull fan, Max was aggressive and not fair. The slow pet stop costed him winning the race.
Yet, Peter Windsor has different opinion on the incident. I recommend watching his video analysis about the race.
It was Marquez's fault - everyone knows what a crazy motogp rider he is ... I mean Max - are they twins 😆
Lando taking the incident personally and getting impatience just to disprove that he can't win against max with a faster car. That's a self inflicted psychological pressure which Lando wanted to vent out but in a impatient & immatured way!
Andrea Stella's words were spot on .
Can you please explain what is the difference is between drifting out through a very fast corner & changing direction?
1) As most F1 fans know, all drivers must focus on the turn coming up, once they pass their breaking point into the corner. At that breaking point, Lando was hidden behind Max, so Max was clearly focused on taking the turn.
2) A slow motion analysis of the video, clearly shows that Max drifted out, following the racing line, while Lando deliberately tries to dive bomb Max, by taking the long way around Max!!
Based on the fact that Max obviously did not know that Lando was ignoring the gap he provided on the inside and was dangerously to trying to 'dive bomb' Max, on the outside, Lando was clearly at fault.
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I especially hope there is not going to be drama between Norris and Max, as we have seen with Max and Hamilton.
But not 1 racer is going to give away the spot without fighting for it and then you get cases like this, it's just part of it.
Neither of them did it very cleanly. Go crying out about it and be done with it.
yeah I hope this doesn't cause tension because this was going to happen at some point
I think drama will be good for lando it will make for better racing since lando is too nice causing him to leave the door open for max
What we saw today is called racing. We had not seen that for a long time, so enjoy it when it happens. That being said, I love Max and I have a profound admiration for his skill and composure on the track, but today I think he panicked a little after his chaotic pitstop. If he had pulled this one off it would have been one of his greatest victory because he was in an obviously inferior car. Still, I thank him and Lando for the thrill they offered us today. After all this was supposed to be the dullest season in Formula 1's history. The reality is that it is already one of the most entertaining season in a long time. But we haven't seen anything yet methinks.
I agree and I love what you said
Agreed with all the commentary in the video except for one thing. IMO we didn’t see the Max of old, we just saw Max Verstappen. Just happens that since 2022 he hasn’t had to really scrap so much at the front. This is a classic over the limit racing from him.
Does no one like racing anymore is there even racing anymore? or we just have to bitch about something. This was amazing.
Let's gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo George!!!!!! This video is beyond quick 🤯
😁❤️ I know you loved this win
F1 is not for making friends, rivals are rivals on the track, outside on the street, everywhere. Once we get those rivalries like old times, we will get better racing!
Played out with correct ruling, data clears no steering movement of Max plus Lando's 5sec penalty would've never reached risky bullying moves to race leader Max. Full race results is clearly FIA compromised if we also rectify Max's 10sec penalty..
Old Max is back. "Max: No one is allowed to pass me and its never my fault if there is a collision!!!"
fully on verstappen
its more on him for me as well
@@F1Unchained : Nah, this one's on Lando. But you'll only see that after watching the replays from every perceivable angle.
Max's moving was always allowed (to make the corner). Even if I wanted to lean towards a racing inshident, I can't blame Max for this one.
@@theGoogol It was allowed, doesn't make it right. That is exactly what Stella said, Max does this because it is allowed and tbf, he has won his championships doing this and rightfully so, always giving it his all.
But he did not give Lando any room, whatsoever. Lando would have to go off the track to avoid an incident which would cause track limits and he would be penalized so he had no reason to do that. Max needed to be respectful to his opponent and he didn't do that.
This just shows Max will do any dirty move to prevent people from overtaking him. He's driving like he's playing F1 the game and preventing NPCs from overtaking him when he makes mistakes lol.
Max's ego lost him the race. Lando had a 5 second penalty incoming, but Max can't stand not crossing the line first.
max didn't know, wasn't told to him yet. so try again.
Max hasn't had to battle like this for some time, such has been the dominance of the Red Bull - its pretty telling that the old Max re-emerges now that he is under pressure.
Doesn’t matter who is to blame. Max will be 2024 World Champion 🥇🏆
It wasn't nobody's fault that was just good ole fashioned hard racing between Max and lando.
This was a racing incident. If you watch the onboard in slow motion, you see Max is actually turning right when the contact is made. You need to consider the profile of this corner (which should be altered in my opinion, along with changing the DRS detection point for the run down to 4) and the trajectory for entry. Max is moving left but that is the line...he also left just enough room for Lando...he needed to take a bit of curb.
Either way I blame Red Bull for botching strategy and the 6.5 second pitstop - and also the stewards for not announcing the Lando +5 second penalty sooner. I also blame this corner and its dive bomb invitations.
Look at the onboard for Max, he doesn't turn under braking. If you watch the broadcast it looks like he moves under braking but that's not the case. Max squeezed Lando but not moving under braking.
It's EGO against EGO
While both were aggressive and over the limits at times
Max didn't give the same amount of respect as Lando did
It's a shame cause this battle could have gone all the way to the flag
Lando had a 5 second penalty long before the incident, the fia held the decision because they knew a fight was coming. Including the incident lando broke track limits 5 times,
Great take on the race, I agree 100%. F1 needs this, proper wheel to wheel action. Shame with the punctures, especially for Lando with the torn tire ripping everything on the back right to shreds. I sincerely hope for more similar action at Silverstone! I just hope Charles and Checo get back into shape as well!!
More to come this season, more to come - And I am all for it.
Don’t forget that lando came within drs by violating track limits.