Man Mike has blessed me so much by his teachings. Thank you guys also I appreciate what y'all do and aspire to be able to be in situations like these just learning about God with brothers growing with each other. God bless brothers!
Yeah, the whole "don't question God" thing doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Questioning God's morality seems to be a defining characteristic of God's chosen leaders in the Old Testament. Abraham - God, you're not going to destroy the righteous with the wicked are you? Moses - God, you can't do that, it's not in your character and people will say you failed! David - God why aren't you saving me??? Etc., etc.
Well I feel as though the grace of God responds to the objections from God. But let's look at the context of those things. Abraham had objected simply because he knew his nephew was there, he was seeking to try and help save his nephew hah yet Lot placed himself and his family there, yet through Abraham intervening (such a reflection of of prayers for others) helping to save Lot. Haha and oh boy reading through Moses and the incident in Exodus how Moses being unaware of what was going on at the bottom of the mountain but God was speaking of a burning judgement on these people of Israel and Moses unaware of what's going on of course seeks to defend the people which were sinning in idolatry...the priest or priest to be freaking initiated this....dun messed up Aaron haha oh boy. And what happened once Moses got down...he himself was full of anger as will haha and he through down the freaking stone tablets that God himself carved because he was so pissed off, so he understood God's anger at that point. But in all seriousness, through those moments it was Just for God to do those things of bringing judgement, yet we as humans call to him for mercy and Grace through humility. We have to humble ourselves before Him because God is so great and good. What power do we have over God? None but what we ask if Him through humility God decides what to do next. It is difficult to approach this through someone who is prideful and vengeful against God...the skeptics so to speak, but no matter the words we speak it will not cause change of heart to others but God's Holy Spirit. So we can deeply explain it but will that listen with intent of open heart? No only God changes our hearts against Him. So yes his response may have been a simple response but that's what it comes down to when we truly look deeply inside....I'm powerless compared to God and let alone to the demons as well....so no matter what any spiritual power still rules over me so which do I choose to follow? God is good and brings life so why not? I have no power hah....it's something to truly deeply look into.
Imagine trusting what your stupid animal brain calls rational instead of the Word of God. 🤣 We all question God but the point is to learn to have faith in our creator no matter what. No limit to how ‘bad’ things can get until you, your family, your community, and your country learn that lesson. God is the author of reality. Our measure of ‘good’ has nothing to do with the mind of God.
Clear distinctions drawn and good discussion. A distinct difference between consequences for sin and what God does - thank you! Also interesting to note the emotional argument that ramped up separately from the discussion after a particular question was addressed. Mike was correct in giving the caution that he did before answering. Thanks guys!
I agree, Mike. Some things I may not understand or have an answer for but I know that God is GOOD. He will either give me understanding at a different time or o don’t need to worry about it. I trust His wisdom and will and Him BEING GOD- that’s way past my understanding.
I used to think this too, but God NEVER changes. You can very much see his wrath in a future tense, particularly in Revelation(even a bit in Acts) and you can see His kind, unfailing love in the Old Testament. It comes down to understanding that God never changed, He planned Jesus' death since creation, it's not as if He was like "ohh, now I can stop being so wrathful, now that Jesus died on the cross!" lol. I think it comes down to a lot of people not really reading the Old Testament and just hearing stories of the Canaanites being killed, and the flood, and the plagues and thinking "wow, God was sure wrathful in those days!" lol
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 That's not what James says. And yes, I believe the God of love and forgiveness did what we humans deem as horrible, out of love. Can't say I fully understand it, but God can't murder, which is what I assume you're pointing to. God owns us, if He killed you or I tomorrow we can't say "God is unjust for killing me!" He created us. He can do whatever He wants and not be "horrible" for it.
@@haachamachama7 you’re being stupid if you think that ‘God’ starving people to death and throwing firey serpents on his children when they ask for food is not inherently evil. Read your Bible closer, especially in Luke. What does Satan offer Jesus when tempting him? He offered all authority and kingdoms of the world. Now how could he do this if he, the devil, was not in charge? Also, Jesus refers to him as the “god of this world.” So do you still think The Father had dominion over the world and mankind in the OT? Put away the mental gymnastics and ridiculous explanations because all they do is reinforce the accurate stereotype of Christians denying common sense and forcing themselves to believe ridiculous things. You believe God is some crazy dictator who’s just gonna go against his own nature and break his own rules right after issuing them out. That’s not God, that’s the devil, the one who was a “liar from the beginning.”
@@haachamachama7 and to add: no, he cannot do whatever he wants because that would insinuate he could lie, be unforgiving, and so forth. The Bible makes it clear that “he cannot deny himself.” Meaning that God is not gonna deny himself and go against his own nature. We humans are the ones who must do that because our nature is evil, so we must choose to be good.
As a struggling Christian, I think we just have to accept that God at times is not "appearing evil", but is in fact by all our human definitions, is "evil", but that because its God, it is moral. Trying to justify God/Jesus actions in the OT is just so obviously flawed that we are losing the arguments to non-believers, and for doubting Christians like me, you are losing me too.
You’re right we can never understand what happened in the OT with our western worldview. We must dig into our Bible to really understand. Check out Dr. Michael Heizer, he’s a theologian who is not afraid of what the Bible says. Also the book of James says that God gives us wisdom if we only ask for it. Ask God in humility! God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ in your journey to understanding!!
@Dustin Neely Yep, went to an Eastern Orthodox church very briefly. They have imo, a better view than the fundamental protestants do. Apologists though are pretty much convincing me that going without religion is even better, and I've been a Christian for over 50 years.
@@abidinginchrist3139 Realize you said you can never understand and then say dig into the Bible. I think considering all the differing viewpoints in Christianity, there is no one that knows they are right, but they are all sure that "they" are. We all ask God in humility. He just doesn't answer in any clear way if he answers at all.
Wheat No. what I said was, you can’t understand what all happened in the OT with our Western worldview. There is only ONE truth, and we can only see it in Gods Point of view. That point of view can be found in the Bible. but, we must shed our own 21st century understanding.
@@abidinginchrist3139 If that were true, only ONE truth, then which Christian group has it? You and I know we don't even remotely agree on stuff unless you reduce to silly stuff like, Jesus was a real person, he was crucified etc. Once you try to decide the correct doctrines, it all goes off the rails.
If God writes His morality on our hearts, and humanity gained the knowledge of good and evil from the garden...why *_can't_* we evaluate the actions of God? What use is that morality if it can't be applied to the most important questions for our souls?
s bushido well our hearts are deceitfully wicked (jeremiah 17:9). Our hearts lead us astray by our own sinful desires (James 1:14). The wicked suppress the truth with unrighteousness ( in context this is all mankind. Romans 1:18)
@@TheRemnantRadio If our hearts and judgment are so faulty, it seems to me that determining God's goodness with those flawed perceptions should be just as impossible as reconciling apparently evil actions/commands.
s bushido well it’s the goodness of God that leads us to repentance ( Romans 2:12 changes the way we think). Our mental facilities are not perfect but we are being transformed in the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2). 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
@@TheRemnantRadio If we need our minds to be altered by God, how are we supposed to judge that having our minds altered in such a way is a good thing in the first place?
I'm terrified of God. I know he exists by looking at creation.... but it's horrible the unthinkable evil he allows. Though it also says in the bible that he actually is who creates BOTH good AND evil... I don't understand that, it seems terrible enough that he would even allow it when he can control it (all powerful). Anybody have an answer to this? And, I want to serve a God I love, not one I fear.... "obey me, or else".
When it says he "creates evil" that is the KJV which is in old english (though I use the KJV, it can be hard to understand with our modern english). A better translation of the text, would be calamity. Which God does cause. Such as in the case of Pharoh. The argument that "God is evil because he punishes people" (which is what a most of the so called atrocities are) seems logical at first until you realize it is as silly as a child saying "Mommy punished me, so she dosnt love me" God punishes justly, always. Even If we can not see it. Who are we to say God is evil? Can we see the future? No. Perhaps without intervention, more evil would have come. People will often say "if God is good why dosnt he stop evil" yet when he does they call it genocide. For example the canaanites. God commanded they're death, why? They would literally take a statue of the molten god molec, heat it up and melt there baby's on it. So answer me this, is it just for him to intervene? As for "obey me or else" is this not God being a just God? Would it not be unjust for a judge in the court, to just let murders go that where guilty? Hope this helps. God bless!
Regarding "allowing evil" -- what is your delineation point? In other words, if God were to "eliminate evil" from the Earth today, where would He draw the line? ALL people are innately evil ... so nobody would be left on the planet. How much evil should He leave?
I've Always seen this particular circumstance with David a bit different because being King he had greater responsibility towards being a leader and the fact that he took advantage of his kingship shows that God was not in approval of this. When Nathan came and spoke of what God showed him. David pretty much spoke into existence with his words for his very own actions...kinda like with Pharaoh with the first borns dying except those marked by the blood of the lamb....Yes, God is Good and the beginning of wisdom is reverence to this very first. There is clearly a difference for why are we not behaving like those that blame God today ...Jesus and Christians are not saying that everything God wrote about himself was in agreement with...but yes there are consquences to our "Sin" and he is a just and Holy God...and speaks of if you love your child you would not spare the rod of correction...because truly if we just allowed our children to do as they pleased without any correction then how much would we really be showing love for not only our child but the other people of this world ...
How I see it (just my humble opinion), how we see death is different from God's vantage point. Since God owns and created all life and exists across the boundaries of organic life and the existence afterwards. He is the only entity/person in the universe that can extinguish life since he created it. He does not murder, we do as we never created life in the first place. We have no jurisdiction over human souls, so those commands don't apply to God, they apply to us. Humans are all going to die anyway, God just brings that reality forward in certain circumstances. We from our vantage point, are projecting our sentiments on the death as it is so final for us and terrifying. But from God's viewpoint it isn't terrifying; death doesn't scare him and isn't final. As he knows where all those souls are and is present (in whatever way that is) where they are. Consider the story of the rich man and Lazarus, they both died and were no longer acessable to by living people, but God could still dialogue with them and they were conscious of their surroundings.
Deuteronomy Chapter 28 is critical in understanding the rest of the Old Testament happenings. This Chapter is the exposition of the blessings and curses given to Moses by God for His chosen people. The curses for obedience (1-14); the curses for disobedience (15-44); and their ruin if they disobey (45-68). Until l studied Deuteronomy Chapter 28, l couldn't understand God's wrath.
Think of it, @@ManoverSuperman, as cleansing -- the removal of evil -- whether it be getting rid of the uncleanliness of spirit beings, people, objects, land, etc.
The passage is actually easy in John. He (Jesus) was upholding the law. As He did perfectly always. They(the accusers) were breaking the law since they said "she was caught in the very act". If she was caught "in the act" then they would have the man as well. Since they brought only the woman and not the man (thus breaking the command to stone BOTH PARTIES), the mob was breaking The Torah. He came and showed how PERFECT the law was in both the Spirit and the Letter of the law. The people continued to add to and to take away from the Torah. He corrected their understanding. Over and over. Bringing them back to the perfectness of the Law. We are the ones who are not perfect. We break. We misconstrue.
I see this as a possible senario. But since we were not there we can't really know for sure. It could be, that they had the man in custody and she somehow was able to escape and run and therefore the mob was running after her and going to some her as she ran to take her down. The point was they were judging her with out a proper trial through civil law and w were judging her as sinful individuals who many were equally as guilty of the same sin. Also, they looked down on woman in there culture so perhaps they were going to give him a desire trial and not her.
@@suem5987 thanks for the reply. I differ on your accounts but just slightly. Though overseen by Rome, the Jews still had the jurisdiction to stone and punish as according to their Law. So when it says in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that if a man and woman is caught in adultery, that they BOTH are supposed to be stoned, then they would have done that. Swiftly. Typically the witnesses are supposed to be ones who cast the first stones. So when a woman is brought to Jesus and not the man, everyone there is in violation of the law. She got off on a technicality. And HE still showed her Grace, even while letting her know "go and sin no more". In the way that only He can, He both upheld the law and showed His mercy.
I fear people are creating God in their own image both in the past and present. I believe Jesus is the exact image of God and when I can’t see him doing the things God did in the Old Testament I have to assume we don’t know the whole story.
That God back there was the devil. Jesus said that he (God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) was a God of the living, not of the dead. And by dead he means physically dead. The god of this world. "Now shall the prince of this world be cast out". The gospel of John, in the King James Bible for sure, contains the clearest words of Jesus rejecting the old testament God in the whole Bible. "O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee..." "Of whom ye say, is your God..." John 16. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doth God service. 3. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. ---- But they knew who that God of the old testament was, because they think that they are doing his service. And all you gotta do is read the old testament to see how easy it is to think you are supposed to kill someone who is breaking the law of Moses. And Jesus almost always said Moses law and your law.
@@ManoverSuperman let me clarify something in my comment. It was the God who said that he was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. No, I'm not a Marcionite. The old testament can't be ignored, but they want to discard it. I came to this way of thinking by reading the King James Bible only. And I have studied it a lot. The God who spoke to Ezekiel was the Most High of Deuteronomy 32:8. He was over the whole world, not just Isreal, and you can see that in Ezekiel. He goes back to Eden, whereas the LORD who spoke to Moses was their LORD only from Egypt, and only LORD of Isreal. And the history of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob given in Genesis may contain some true statements, but it is still false in a big way. The true history of them is hidden behind allegorical events in the book of Daniel, and it is confirmed in Ezekiel 19. See verse 4. That is referring to the Hebrews when they went to Egypt. Or rather, when they were taken to Egypt. No, it's not about Joseph. But I believe that the Bible is written just like God wanted it, to see who would seek him out for real. I mean, it pointed me to what I now believe. A lot of people do not really pay close attention to the Bible, and that's bad. Let me give you a good example. Look at all the books and videos about the book of Revelation. What are they all missing? They weren't paying attention in Daniel 7. In Revelation 1, John of Patmos claims that Jesus appeared unto him. He gives a detailed description of his appearance. Daniel gives a similar description in Daniel 7:9, but not of Jesus. No, it was of the Ancient of days, aka the devil. See Daniel 7:13, which mentions both the Ancient of days and the Son of man (Jesus), and they are not the same person. So the guy claiming to be Jesus in Revelation is really the devil. But no one else seems to know this, even though it's spelled out so clearly in Daniel 7.
@@stusmith6351 I am very interested in your ideas. Do you have a recommendation /source/teacher so I can learn more? I too study the Bible , but I got so many preconceptions, indoctrinated inside me. I feel like there is a veil over me. Plus I’m just not very smart- easily fooled- by my own brain! But I know love when I see it, and I know evil when I see it. The Bible is very complex and not easily deciphered. Wouldn’t it be sad that many are worshipping Molek right now- thinking that they are worshiping Yahweh?
This is just ignoring the issue. I'm sorry, but in the OT, some very wicked, violent stuff went on.... even to children. I love God and I'm a Christian, but let's stop pretending that there's an easy answer or God gets mad when we use our brains. The stuff Jesus preached was SO different than bears mauling children for making fun of a prophet. I don't blame people for seeing it and not understanding. Didn't Moses and some of those OT men question some of it, too? Thou shalt not kill, but go out and kill everyone, even the babies? Come on people..... we need GOOD answers to this, not "who are we to ever question things?"
Your premises are wrong, so you read into text the wrong things. God is righteous and just, both in the Old and New Testaments. Those torn by bears were not children, they were a mob of young men and the prophets life was in danger.
@Dormiens Vigila did God not love those young men? If so, how is it not cruel to have them mauled by bears rather than perform some other miracle to convince them they were wrong? The argument seems to boil down to "God is just because He is God." But to me, no matter how powerful, I would not worship an evil god.
@@lawrencerooney2772 Jesus was certainly not evil and we're told he was the human personification of God. I believe He was. I think the Old Testament was written by very ancient people and we've lost some of the context.
@@Hepta.Asteras It's possible, but we don't know that for a fact. Could be legit - could be an excuse. I know for a FACT that God is good just based on my own life experience.
God is not evil period. The question is are the people that accept what they have been taught biblically about God as being true the evil ones? Evil is evil no matter what the status of the person or entity. Stockholm syndrome is not true faith. The bible is training grounds for us to identify evil. Everything given to us in this life is both good and evil including the God portrayed by the bible. We are on a learning path and need to use the things/gifts God gave us to sort out good and evil. The assumption we are not supposed to evaluate Gods nature is wrong and we are supposed to do this and hopefully start rejecting evil. If we take someone elses word about God aren't we just recreating the serpent deception scenario? Quit puzzulating about the endless bible detail to justify a belief system or you will find yourself justifying evil. One day we will all thank God for even the most nasty things we have experienced in this life.
Here's a good Bible study for you , read Exodus chapter 20 and tell us all if God is ok with owning slaves and beating them as much as you want unless they die in a day or two otherswise he says its just fine, and here's another good one about Mosaic law, If you want a young maiden, and she don't want you just rape her, and she is yours for life and she can't leave, just make sure you do it inside the city.
Christopher, you are apparently unsaved, which means you don't understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14). You have a carnal mind hostile against God and His laws (Romans 8:5-8), so anything God reveals will be rejected by you. That is actually what sin is, the transgression of His laws (1 John 3:4). God is Creator, holy, righteous, and just; therefore He, as the self-existent, eternal, infinite God can dictate whatever He wants against wicked sinners. And since your carnal mind doesn't understand the content and context of the Old Testament, it would better serve you to judge your own moral standard, which is subjective and not absolute. You break one of God's laws and you've broken them all (James 2:10); therefore God will judge you based on that absolute standard.
@@2timothy23 I was a serious christian for 58 years and I know all those verses by heart I was even a bible college student and taught Sunday school to little children. You should ask before you assume. I figured out the truth and no longer live in fear and shame maybe someday you will too.
@@christopher22859 Don't have to ask because your question and even your response contradict the Word of God. 1 John 2:19 and Jesus own words in Matthew 13:20-21 describe you perfectly. I don't care if you were in Bible college or taught Sunday school or hung out in church quoting verses, Christians remain Christians because nothing can pluck us out of Christ or God the Father's hands in John 10:28-29. You were never a Christian because the Spirit reveals all truth and also indwells you to continue in that truth. You have done neither. Whatever "fear and shame" you speak of I can't comment on since it's just a vague "testimony." Regardless if you were presented the wrong gospel or in the wrong church, real believers don't question God from a perspective of self-righteousness or secular "enlightment," but study the Word to rightly divide it (2 Timothy 2:15) and seek fellowship with God to get their answers and take away their fears. You were a false convert according to the Bible and I believe the absolute truth of God's Word not the subjective truth of a finite sinner that seeks their own satisfaction for "truth." If you really know the Bible verses then you would know this about yourself, but since you weren't really a Christian, you had no spiritual discernment about the verses you "knew' according to 1 Corinthians 2:14.
@@2timothy23 I don't give a flying flip what your bible says. You might as well be quoting harry potter. You are not going to apply some ancient artificially imposed laws to me they mean nothing
@@christopher22859 Then if you don't care what the Bible says, why did you comment about it in the first place? Your own statements contradict yourself. If you didn't care, you would just live your life and not even think about being "right" in a comment section. But I don't care about your assertions either, but I pray you repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for real (read Romans 10:9-10 since you claimed to have studied and taught the Bible; you should know what it says). This is my last comment to you because I don't need a false convert telling me about my faith since you never we're saved in the first place. But I hope and pray you will because one day you'll die and face judgment (Revelation 20:11-14) and I don't desire that for you, but know this; nothing you comment will change that fact. Thanks for reading and goodbye.
Has not the potter power over the clay God being the creator of all things Is not answerable to his creatures Would it have been unfair if he Didnt give his creatures freewill?
43:45 _'...we're gonna go ahead and presuppose God is right and I'm seeing this wrong...'_ Really! Then next time I see a mugger beating up an old lady I'll just presuppose the mugger is right and I'm seeing it wrong! So bad on so many levels! Most of the explanations offered here are weak as dish water! The excuses as to why Jesus _isn't_ going against the Old Testament are pure clutching at straws! Mike Winger is so indoctrinated that if God suddenly decided to kill every baby in the world for no discernible reason he'd try and convince all parents they should celebrate it!
Don't you think you're exaggerating with that last sentence? So, we're talking about a perfect god here. Is the concept of a perfect god just completely lost on you? Can you not fathom that you might not understand why God does a certain thing? Do you think that YOU somehow are great enough that if you disagree with something that God does then God is just full of it and you're correct and morally superior? God -- THE God, creator of the universe -- is no human mugger. And if you want to believe he is then we're not talking about the same being. Jesus was teaching us how we humans should be. But God is God. He is the judge and the one who executes judgment and punishment. Not us. Do you purport to know all things that you can be just in your judgment? Do you know any single human being completely? Do you fully know anyone's mind and all their wrongdoings along with the good that they've done? Do you even know yourself fully? Do you know all the depths, every corner and curve? Do you remember every single thing you've done in your life, as well as your every intention? How much less do you know the mind of God and his every action and intention. If God is who he says he is, you simply have no right to judge. I'd like to recommend to you the book of Romans if you're open to it. I wish you all the best in your life, truly. I wish you well. I hope you have a nice day, friend. Feel free to give me your discord or something so we can have an actual conversation. Blessings.
So Mike claims God would decide to not let a culture continue if it is wicked enough. Really? God let the tree of knowledge exist and the serpent taint the new creation did he not? Mike just listen to yourself.
@@IndianaJoe0321 So if the Parents of Beaver allow the transmission of a grenade in the sand play station and said do not touch the grenade and let Eddie Haskell talk them into it I do have a problem with their freedom. God saying if you eat this you are going to get killed and all you children will hand have terrible deaths and sicknesses because of this one thing is nuttier then the double toothpicks.
god...god...god...god...lord...lord...lord. He has a name. The fear of YAHWEH is the beginning of all wisdom. When Christians didn't know better that was one thing. But now? A stiff neck. These squeaky clean suburbanites have an entire conversation about Him without once even calling upon his name. It's like the David Allen Coe song... "you never even call me by my NAME"
So when God tells Israel "I am the Lord thy God," He didn't know His own name? They couldn't call him Lord or God? Exodus 20:2 - “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery." Were the words there in the original Hebrew "Yahweh?" (and btw, we don't have a clue what God's name really is, as the Hebrew language had no vowels to put in between those consonant sounds. It could just as easily have been Iahovah.) Was it really, in Hebrew, "I am the Yahweh your Yahweh..." or does God call Himself Lord and God in the Bible? If so, so can we. Even the non-squeaky clean urbanites reading their KJV have the same words in that verse...Lord, and God.
Wow the knowledge is hurting me the triunion god man I love Christian Calculus 1g+1h+1s=Keanu Reeves ×4to the second power which equals 3 is one god so simple common
Don't sound ignorant. It's actually pretty easy to understand. A book has being, it is a thing. Ask "what" is that, and you have an answer. But it has not 'who" is that answer. It had no person to it. You are a thing (human being, flesh and blood), but you're also a person (who you really are that makes you so distinct in personality, will, desires, etc.) God, being infinitely higher than you or a book, can be one being (eternal God) and having three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). 3 and 1, not 3 in 1. Big difference. See, easy to contemplate! But I see you like math, so how about this: A triangle always has 180degrees from its interior angles. But it also always has three angles, and three sides. One triangle, three angles/points. One God, three angles/points, each with its distinctness, but all making up the whole. Hope that helps! :)
@@TheRemnantRadio ...bogus accusation.. ..you ever wonder why everything on youtube and across all social media platforms is being censored.. ..because most of it is true.. ..you ever wonder why all these christian channels are not being censored becasue its all bullshit and the powers that be don't care if you and Leighton and Winger run your mouths presenting falsehoods about god.. ..telling people and yourself what you want to hear.. ..if the truth of jesus was being preached you wouldn't have a channel.. ..it is painfully self evident that God created evil......even to a child... ..furthermore if a creature is indeed omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient which you claim God is......it is again painfully self evident that there is no one who has a libertarian free will EXCEPT for the one who is indeed omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient.. ..and to say otherwise is absolute intellectual dishonesty.. ..one doesn't even need the scriptures to prove this.. ..and I will admit I have only watched two your of vids and the lack of honesty is astounding.. ..and I am not saying you all are speaking blatant lies.. ..I am saying none of you....Leighton and Winger or yourself are being honest with yourselves.. ..and have not looked at anything from Gods perspective.....only the perspective of fallen man.. ..and in doing so have tickled your own ears as well as everyone who listens......... .
I've been where you guys are right now. I understand where you're coming from. But one thing is certain, just as I was completely closed minded thinking I was open-minded, you guys can't even consider an alternate narrative. Everything that you present is so biased. You don't even understand your own statements that you're making. You think you're making statements of fact. You're making statements of conclusion not fact
Man Mike has blessed me so much by his teachings. Thank you guys also I appreciate what y'all do and aspire to be able to be in situations like these just learning about God with brothers growing with each other. God bless brothers!
You have a small mind i am sorry you believe in such dribble
@@pana376 what a gross display of vague hatred.
Great show! Pastor Mike Winger is doing so much to combat Internet junk theology! God bless you all!
I love Mike Winger. I discovered his stuff over the last few months, same for Michael Heiser, and I've been very blessed.
Same! I just discovered Remnant, Winger, Heiser, and several others. These guys put me onto so many good resources
Yeah, the whole "don't question God" thing doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Questioning God's morality seems to be a defining characteristic of God's chosen leaders in the Old Testament.
Abraham - God, you're not going to destroy the righteous with the wicked are you?
Moses - God, you can't do that, it's not in your character and people will say you failed!
David - God why aren't you saving me???
Etc., etc.
yeah, Mike just went total copout in respect.
Well I feel as though the grace of God responds to the objections from God. But let's look at the context of those things. Abraham had objected simply because he knew his nephew was there, he was seeking to try and help save his nephew hah yet Lot placed himself and his family there, yet through Abraham intervening (such a reflection of of prayers for others) helping to save Lot. Haha and oh boy reading through Moses and the incident in Exodus how Moses being unaware of what was going on at the bottom of the mountain but God was speaking of a burning judgement on these people of Israel and Moses unaware of what's going on of course seeks to defend the people which were sinning in idolatry...the priest or priest to be freaking initiated this....dun messed up Aaron haha oh boy. And what happened once Moses got down...he himself was full of anger as will haha and he through down the freaking stone tablets that God himself carved because he was so pissed off, so he understood God's anger at that point. But in all seriousness, through those moments it was Just for God to do those things of bringing judgement, yet we as humans call to him for mercy and Grace through humility. We have to humble ourselves before Him because God is so great and good. What power do we have over God? None but what we ask if Him through humility God decides what to do next. It is difficult to approach this through someone who is prideful and vengeful against God...the skeptics so to speak, but no matter the words we speak it will not cause change of heart to others but God's Holy Spirit. So we can deeply explain it but will that listen with intent of open heart? No only God changes our hearts against Him. So yes his response may have been a simple response but that's what it comes down to when we truly look deeply inside....I'm powerless compared to God and let alone to the demons as well....so no matter what any spiritual power still rules over me so which do I choose to follow? God is good and brings life so why not? I have no power hah....it's something to truly deeply look into.
Imagine trusting what your stupid animal brain calls rational instead of the Word of God. 🤣 We all question God but the point is to learn to have faith in our creator no matter what. No limit to how ‘bad’ things can get until you, your family, your community, and your country learn that lesson. God is the author of reality. Our measure of ‘good’ has nothing to do with the mind of God.
@@bloodbased Satanic logic you’ve got there, bro. You are silenced before the force of reason with all your horrid crew.
Clear distinctions drawn and good discussion. A distinct difference between consequences for sin and what God does - thank you! Also interesting to note the emotional argument that ramped up separately from the discussion after a particular question was addressed. Mike was correct in giving the caution that he did before answering. Thanks guys!
That’s stupid. A “consequence of sin” isn’t stoning a person to death. Jesus Christ himself literally proved this.
I agree, Mike. Some things I may not understand or have an answer for but I know that God is GOOD. He will either give me understanding at a different time or o don’t need to worry about it. I trust His wisdom and will and Him BEING GOD- that’s way past my understanding.
I used to think this too, but God NEVER changes. You can very much see his wrath in a future tense, particularly in Revelation(even a bit in Acts) and you can see His kind, unfailing love in the Old Testament. It comes down to understanding that God never changed, He planned Jesus' death since creation, it's not as if He was like "ohh, now I can stop being so wrathful, now that Jesus died on the cross!" lol.
I think it comes down to a lot of people not really reading the Old Testament and just hearing stories of the Canaanites being killed, and the flood, and the plagues and thinking "wow, God was sure wrathful in those days!" lol
If you believe the God of love and forgiveness was doing all that horrible stuff in the OT, you’re “double minded and unstable.” According to James.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 That's not what James says. And yes, I believe the God of love and forgiveness did what we humans deem as horrible, out of love. Can't say I fully understand it, but God can't murder, which is what I assume you're pointing to. God owns us, if He killed you or I tomorrow we can't say "God is unjust for killing me!" He created us. He can do whatever He wants and not be "horrible" for it.
@@haachamachama7 you’re being stupid if you think that ‘God’ starving people to death and throwing firey serpents on his children when they ask for food is not inherently evil. Read your Bible closer, especially in Luke. What does Satan offer Jesus when tempting him? He offered all authority and kingdoms of the world. Now how could he do this if he, the devil, was not in charge? Also, Jesus refers to him as the “god of this world.” So do you still think The Father had dominion over the world and mankind in the OT? Put away the mental gymnastics and ridiculous explanations because all they do is reinforce the accurate stereotype of Christians denying common sense and forcing themselves to believe ridiculous things. You believe God is some crazy dictator who’s just gonna go against his own nature and break his own rules right after issuing them out. That’s not God, that’s the devil, the one who was a “liar from the beginning.”
@@haachamachama7 and to add: no, he cannot do whatever he wants because that would insinuate he could lie, be unforgiving, and so forth. The Bible makes it clear that “he cannot deny himself.” Meaning that God is not gonna deny himself and go against his own nature. We humans are the ones who must do that because our nature is evil, so we must choose to be good.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 Ah, sorry, I thought you were an atheist accusing me of being double minded, i get a lot of comments from angry atheists lol.
I came to your channel from Mike Winger's so not only can your followers check him out I'm here checking this channel out.🙂
The god of the Old Testament is obviously Evil. You only have to be honest with yourself. But most people will not allow themselves to truly reason.
He's not only NOT evil, but he would be just to do those things to America. 🤷♂️
As a struggling Christian, I think we just have to accept that God at times is not "appearing evil", but is in fact by all our human definitions, is "evil", but that because its God, it is moral. Trying to justify God/Jesus actions in the OT is just so obviously flawed that we are losing the arguments to non-believers, and for doubting Christians like me, you are losing me too.
You’re right we can never understand what happened in the OT with our western worldview. We must dig into our Bible to really understand. Check out Dr. Michael Heizer, he’s a theologian who is not afraid of what the Bible says. Also the book of James says that God gives us wisdom if we only ask for it. Ask God in humility! God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ in your journey to understanding!!
@Dustin Neely Yep, went to an Eastern Orthodox church very briefly. They have imo, a better view than the fundamental protestants do. Apologists though are pretty much convincing me that going without religion is even better, and I've been a Christian for over 50 years.
@@abidinginchrist3139 Realize you said you can never understand and then say dig into the Bible. I think considering all the differing viewpoints in Christianity, there is no one that knows they are right, but they are all sure that "they" are. We all ask God in humility. He just doesn't answer in any clear way if he answers at all.
Wheat No. what I said was, you can’t understand what all happened in the OT with our Western worldview. There is only ONE truth, and we can only see it in Gods Point of view. That point of view can be found in the Bible. but, we must shed our own 21st century understanding.
@@abidinginchrist3139 If that were true, only ONE truth, then which Christian group has it? You and I know we don't even remotely agree on stuff unless you reduce to silly stuff like, Jesus was a real person, he was crucified etc. Once you try to decide the correct doctrines, it all goes off the rails.
Great treatment, thanks
If God writes His morality on our hearts, and humanity gained the knowledge of good and evil from the garden...why *_can't_* we evaluate the actions of God? What use is that morality if it can't be applied to the most important questions for our souls?
s bushido well our hearts are deceitfully wicked (jeremiah 17:9). Our hearts lead us astray by our own sinful desires (James 1:14). The wicked suppress the truth with unrighteousness ( in context this is all mankind. Romans 1:18)
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If our hearts and judgment are so faulty, it seems to me that determining God's goodness with those flawed perceptions should be just as impossible as reconciling apparently evil actions/commands.
s bushido well it’s the goodness of God that leads us to repentance ( Romans 2:12 changes the way we think). Our mental facilities are not perfect but we are being transformed in the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2).
2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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If we need our minds to be altered by God, how are we supposed to judge that having our minds altered in such a way is a good thing in the first place?
s bushido Are these questions going anywhere?
I'm terrified of God. I know he exists by looking at creation.... but it's horrible the unthinkable evil he allows. Though it also says in the bible that he actually is who creates BOTH good AND evil... I don't understand that, it seems terrible enough that he would even allow it when he can control it (all powerful). Anybody have an answer to this?
And, I want to serve a God I love, not one I fear.... "obey me, or else".
I'm also terrified. The old testament is pretty hard core stuff.
When it says he "creates evil" that is the KJV which is in old english (though I use the KJV, it can be hard to understand with our modern english). A better translation of the text, would be calamity. Which God does cause. Such as in the case of Pharoh.
The argument that "God is evil because he punishes people" (which is what a most of the so called atrocities are) seems logical at first until you realize it is as silly as a child saying "Mommy punished me, so she dosnt love me"
God punishes justly, always. Even If we can not see it. Who are we to say God is evil? Can we see the future? No.
Perhaps without intervention, more evil would have come.
People will often say "if God is good why dosnt he stop evil" yet when he does they call it genocide. For example the canaanites. God commanded they're death, why? They would literally take a statue of the molten god molec, heat it up and melt there baby's on it. So answer me this, is it just for him to intervene?
As for "obey me or else" is this not God being a just God? Would it not be unjust for a judge in the court, to just let murders go that where guilty?
Hope this helps. God bless!
Regarding "allowing evil" -- what is your delineation point? In other words, if God were to "eliminate evil" from the Earth today, where would He draw the line?
ALL people are innately evil ... so nobody would be left on the planet. How much evil should He leave?
I've Always seen this particular circumstance with David a bit different because being King he had greater responsibility towards being a leader and the fact that he took advantage of his kingship shows that God was not in approval of this. When Nathan came and spoke of what God showed him. David pretty much spoke into existence with his words for his very own actions...kinda like with Pharaoh with the first borns dying except those marked by the blood of the lamb....Yes, God is Good and the beginning of wisdom is reverence to this very first. There is clearly a difference for why are we not behaving like those that blame God today ...Jesus and Christians are not saying that everything God wrote about himself was in agreement with...but yes there are consquences to our "Sin" and he is a just and Holy God...and speaks of if you love your child you would not spare the rod of correction...because truly if we just allowed our children to do as they pleased without any correction then how much would we really be showing love for not only our child but the other people of this world ...
How I see it (just my humble opinion), how we see death is different from God's vantage point. Since God owns and created all life and exists across the boundaries of organic life and the existence afterwards. He is the only entity/person in the universe that can extinguish life since he created it. He does not murder, we do as we never created life in the first place. We have no jurisdiction over human souls, so those commands don't apply to God, they apply to us. Humans are all going to die anyway, God just brings that reality forward in certain circumstances. We from our vantage point, are projecting our sentiments on the death as it is so final for us and terrifying. But from God's viewpoint it isn't terrifying; death doesn't scare him and isn't final. As he knows where all those souls are and is present (in whatever way that is) where they are. Consider the story of the rich man and Lazarus, they both died and were no longer acessable to by living people, but God could still dialogue with them and they were conscious of their surroundings.
Deuteronomy Chapter 28 is critical in understanding the rest of the Old Testament happenings. This Chapter is the exposition of the blessings and curses given to Moses by God for His chosen people. The curses for obedience (1-14); the curses for disobedience (15-44); and their ruin if they disobey (45-68). Until l studied Deuteronomy Chapter 28, l couldn't understand God's wrath.
Well here’s an interesting puzzle. Does God rejoice in killing people, or not? Deuteronomy 28:63 suggests yes while Ezekiel 18:32 suggests otherwise.
Think of it, @@ManoverSuperman, as cleansing -- the removal of evil -- whether it be getting rid of the uncleanliness of spirit beings, people, objects, land, etc.
How do you define Gods’s wrath? I picture my angry father giving me a whipping. A good father disciplines justly and for the good of the child.
Idiotic. Exactly what “fruits of the spirit” lead to you behave like a caveman to an innocent child?
Have you read about "the wrath of the Lamb [Jesus]" in Revelation 6:16?
“Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”
Yeah, I pray for Brian Simons all the time. He for sure needs our prayers.
@The Remnant Radio yes yo fantasy gawd is a Hitler
The passage is actually easy in John. He (Jesus) was upholding the law. As He did perfectly always. They(the accusers) were breaking the law since they said "she was caught in the very act". If she was caught "in the act" then they would have the man as well. Since they brought only the woman and not the man (thus breaking the command to stone BOTH PARTIES), the mob was breaking The Torah. He came and showed how PERFECT the law was in both the Spirit and the Letter of the law. The people continued to add to and to take away from the Torah. He corrected their understanding. Over and over. Bringing them back to the perfectness of the Law. We are the ones who are not perfect. We break. We misconstrue.
thanks for taking time t write that.
I see this as a possible senario. But since we were not there we can't really know for sure. It could be, that they had the man in custody and she somehow was able to escape and run and therefore the mob was running after her and going to some her as she ran to take her down. The point was they were judging her with out a proper trial through civil law and w were judging her as sinful individuals who many were equally as guilty of the same sin. Also, they looked down on woman in there culture so perhaps they were going to give him a desire trial and not her.
This is right on!
@@suem5987 thanks for the reply. I differ on your accounts but just slightly. Though overseen by Rome, the Jews still had the jurisdiction to stone and punish as according to their Law. So when it says in Leviticus and Deuteronomy that if a man and woman is caught in adultery, that they BOTH are supposed to be stoned, then they would have done that. Swiftly. Typically the witnesses are supposed to be ones who cast the first stones. So when a woman is brought to Jesus and not the man, everyone there is in violation of the law. She got off on a technicality. And HE still showed her Grace, even while letting her know "go and sin no more". In the way that only He can, He both upheld the law and showed His mercy.
Little minds engaged in hard concepts? Your god is a lie
I fear people are creating God in their own image both in the past and present. I believe Jesus is the exact image of God and when I can’t see him doing the things God did in the Old Testament I have to assume we don’t know the whole story.
That God back there was the devil. Jesus said that he (God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) was a God of the living, not of the dead. And by dead he means physically dead. The god of this world.
"Now shall the prince of this world be cast out".
The gospel of John, in the King James Bible for sure, contains the clearest words of Jesus rejecting the old testament God in the whole Bible.
"O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee..."
"Of whom ye say, is your God..."
John 16.
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doth God service.
3. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
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But they knew who that God of the old testament was, because they think that they are doing his service. And all you gotta do is read the old testament to see how easy it is to think you are supposed to kill someone who is breaking the law of Moses. And Jesus almost always said Moses law and your law.
@@stusmith6351 Are you a Marcionite? If so, that’s interesting, because there aren’t too many of those as far as I’m aware.
@@ManoverSuperman let me clarify something in my comment. It was the God who said that he was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
No, I'm not a Marcionite. The old testament can't be ignored, but they want to discard it.
I came to this way of thinking by reading the King James Bible only.
And I have studied it a lot.
The God who spoke to Ezekiel was the Most High of Deuteronomy 32:8. He was over the whole world, not just Isreal, and you can see that in Ezekiel. He goes back to Eden, whereas the LORD who spoke to Moses was their LORD only from Egypt, and only LORD of Isreal. And the history of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob given in Genesis may contain some true statements, but it is still false in a big way. The true history of them is hidden behind allegorical events in the book of Daniel, and it is confirmed in Ezekiel 19. See verse 4. That is referring to the Hebrews when they went to Egypt.
Or rather, when they were taken to Egypt. No, it's not about Joseph.
But I believe that the Bible is written just like God wanted it, to see who would seek him out for real. I mean, it pointed me to what I now believe. A lot of people do not really pay close attention to the Bible, and that's bad. Let me give you a good example.
Look at all the books and videos about the book of Revelation. What are they all missing? They weren't paying attention in Daniel 7.
In Revelation 1, John of Patmos claims that Jesus appeared unto him. He gives a detailed description of his appearance. Daniel gives a similar description in Daniel 7:9, but not of Jesus. No, it was of the Ancient of days, aka the devil. See Daniel 7:13, which mentions both the Ancient of days and the Son of man (Jesus), and they are not the same person.
So the guy claiming to be Jesus in Revelation is really the devil. But no one else seems to know this, even though it's spelled out so clearly in Daniel 7.
He talks about it around 54:00
@@stusmith6351 I am very interested in your ideas. Do you have a recommendation /source/teacher so I can learn more? I too study the Bible , but I got so many preconceptions, indoctrinated inside me. I feel like there is a veil over me. Plus I’m just not very smart- easily fooled- by my own brain! But I know love when I see it, and I know evil when I see it. The Bible is very complex and not easily deciphered. Wouldn’t it be sad that many are worshipping Molek right now- thinking that they are worshiping Yahweh?
Opened up a pretty big hole when you said “where the Old Testament got it wrong”. Whoops.
King Agahi could have been granted a end of life wish which might have been a virgin, so I have heard from a Jewish Bible teacher
Was this recording laggy?
A bit, yes.
This is just ignoring the issue. I'm sorry, but in the OT, some very wicked, violent stuff went on.... even to children. I love God and I'm a Christian, but let's stop pretending that there's an easy answer or God gets mad when we use our brains. The stuff Jesus preached was SO different than bears mauling children for making fun of a prophet. I don't blame people for seeing it and not understanding. Didn't Moses and some of those OT men question some of it, too? Thou shalt not kill, but go out and kill everyone, even the babies? Come on people..... we need GOOD answers to this, not "who are we to ever question things?"
Your premises are wrong, so you read into text the wrong things. God is righteous and just, both in the Old and New Testaments. Those torn by bears were not children, they were a mob of young men and the prophets life was in danger.
@@Hepta.Asteras you’re double minded and unstable. You call good evil and evil good. Woe to you!
@Dormiens Vigila did God not love those young men? If so, how is it not cruel to have them mauled by bears rather than perform some other miracle to convince them they were wrong?
The argument seems to boil down to "God is just because He is God." But to me, no matter how powerful, I would not worship an evil god.
@@lawrencerooney2772 Jesus was certainly not evil and we're told he was the human personification of God. I believe He was. I think the Old Testament was written by very ancient people and we've lost some of the context.
@@Hepta.Asteras It's possible, but we don't know that for a fact. Could be legit - could be an excuse. I know for a FACT that God is good just based on my own life experience.
I love how the dumber the idea and more ridiculous the claim the library of book in the background is almost a conversation fallacy in it self
Christians trying to defend God is always funny to watch
True. Like they justifying tyranic rule.
Most professing Christians don't 'know God' very well.
God is not evil period. The question is are the people that accept what they have been taught biblically about God as being true the evil ones? Evil is evil no matter what the status of the person or entity. Stockholm syndrome is not true faith. The bible is training grounds for us to identify evil. Everything given to us in this life is both good and evil including the God portrayed by the bible. We are on a learning path and need to use the things/gifts God gave us to sort out good and evil. The assumption we are not supposed to evaluate Gods nature is wrong and we are supposed to do this and hopefully start rejecting evil. If we take someone elses word about God aren't we just recreating the serpent deception scenario? Quit puzzulating about the endless bible detail to justify a belief system or you will find yourself justifying evil. One day we will all thank God for even the most nasty things we have experienced in this life.
Here's a good Bible study for you , read Exodus chapter 20 and tell us all if God is ok with owning slaves and beating them as much as you want unless they die in a day or two otherswise he says its just fine, and here's another good one about Mosaic law, If you want a young maiden, and she don't want you just rape her, and she is yours for life and she can't leave, just make sure you do it inside the city.
Christopher, you are apparently unsaved, which means you don't understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14). You have a carnal mind hostile against God and His laws (Romans 8:5-8), so anything God reveals will be rejected by you. That is actually what sin is, the transgression of His laws (1 John 3:4). God is Creator, holy, righteous, and just; therefore He, as the self-existent, eternal, infinite God can dictate whatever He wants against wicked sinners. And since your carnal mind doesn't understand the content and context of the Old Testament, it would better serve you to judge your own moral standard, which is subjective and not absolute. You break one of God's laws and you've broken them all (James 2:10); therefore God will judge you based on that absolute standard.
@@2timothy23 I was a serious christian for 58 years and I know all those verses by heart I was even a bible college student and taught Sunday school to little children. You should ask before you assume. I figured out the truth and no longer live in fear and shame maybe someday you will too.
@@christopher22859 Don't have to ask because your question and even your response contradict the Word of God. 1 John 2:19 and Jesus own words in Matthew 13:20-21 describe you perfectly. I don't care if you were in Bible college or taught Sunday school or hung out in church quoting verses, Christians remain Christians because nothing can pluck us out of Christ or God the Father's hands in John 10:28-29. You were never a Christian because the Spirit reveals all truth and also indwells you to continue in that truth. You have done neither.
Whatever "fear and shame" you speak of I can't comment on since it's just a vague "testimony." Regardless if you were presented the wrong gospel or in the wrong church, real believers don't question God from a perspective of self-righteousness or secular "enlightment," but study the Word to rightly divide it (2 Timothy 2:15) and seek fellowship with God to get their answers and take away their fears. You were a false convert according to the Bible and I believe the absolute truth of God's Word not the subjective truth of a finite sinner that seeks their own satisfaction for "truth." If you really know the Bible verses then you would know this about yourself, but since you weren't really a Christian, you had no spiritual discernment about the verses you "knew' according to 1 Corinthians 2:14.
@@2timothy23 I don't give a flying flip what your bible says. You might as well be quoting harry potter. You are not going to apply some ancient artificially imposed laws to me they mean nothing
@@christopher22859 Then if you don't care what the Bible says, why did you comment about it in the first place? Your own statements contradict yourself. If you didn't care, you would just live your life and not even think about being "right" in a comment section. But I don't care about your assertions either, but I pray you repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for real (read Romans 10:9-10 since you claimed to have studied and taught the Bible; you should know what it says). This is my last comment to you because I don't need a false convert telling me about my faith since you never we're saved in the first place. But I hope and pray you will because one day you'll die and face judgment (Revelation 20:11-14) and I don't desire that for you, but know this; nothing you comment will change that fact. Thanks for reading and goodbye.
Has not the potter power over the clay
God being the creator of all things
Is not answerable to his creatures
Would it have been unfair if he
Didnt give his creatures freewill?
43:45 _'...we're gonna go ahead and presuppose God is right and I'm seeing this wrong...'_
Really! Then next time I see a mugger beating up an old lady I'll just presuppose the mugger is right and I'm seeing it wrong! So bad on so many levels!
Most of the explanations offered here are weak as dish water! The excuses as to why Jesus _isn't_ going against the Old Testament are pure clutching at straws! Mike Winger is so indoctrinated that if God suddenly decided to kill every baby in the world for no discernible reason he'd try and convince all parents they should celebrate it!
Don't you think you're exaggerating with that last sentence?
So, we're talking about a perfect god here. Is the concept of a perfect god just completely lost on you? Can you not fathom that you might not understand why God does a certain thing? Do you think that YOU somehow are great enough that if you disagree with something that God does then God is just full of it and you're correct and morally superior? God -- THE God, creator of the universe -- is no human mugger. And if you want to believe he is then we're not talking about the same being.
Jesus was teaching us how we humans should be. But God is God. He is the judge and the one who executes judgment and punishment. Not us. Do you purport to know all things that you can be just in your judgment? Do you know any single human being completely? Do you fully know anyone's mind and all their wrongdoings along with the good that they've done? Do you even know yourself fully? Do you know all the depths, every corner and curve? Do you remember every single thing you've done in your life, as well as your every intention? How much less do you know the mind of God and his every action and intention. If God is who he says he is, you simply have no right to judge.
I'd like to recommend to you the book of Romans if you're open to it.
I wish you all the best in your life, truly. I wish you well. I hope you have a nice day, friend. Feel free to give me your discord or something so we can have an actual conversation.
Blessings.
@@Blablablahx3 thank you for writing this.
So Mike claims God would decide to not let a culture continue if it is wicked enough. Really? God let the tree of knowledge exist and the serpent taint the new creation did he not? Mike just listen to yourself.
So God allows "freedom," and you have a problem with that? 🤔
@@IndianaJoe0321 So if the Parents of Beaver allow the transmission of a grenade in the sand play station and said do not touch the grenade and let Eddie Haskell talk them into it I do have a problem with their freedom. God saying if you eat this you are going to get killed and all you children will hand have terrible deaths and sicknesses because of this one thing is nuttier then the double toothpicks.
Small minds podcast
You're the one who said you didn't understand it. 🤷♂️
god...god...god...god...lord...lord...lord. He has a name. The fear of YAHWEH is the beginning of all wisdom. When Christians didn't know better that was one thing. But now? A stiff neck. These squeaky clean suburbanites have an entire conversation about Him without once even calling upon his name. It's like the David Allen Coe song... "you never even call me by my NAME"
Does the Bible call God “God”? Does the Bible call God “Lord”?
So when God tells Israel "I am the Lord thy God," He didn't know His own name? They couldn't call him Lord or God? Exodus 20:2 - “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery." Were the words there in the original Hebrew "Yahweh?" (and btw, we don't have a clue what God's name really is, as the Hebrew language had no vowels to put in between those consonant sounds. It could just as easily have been Iahovah.) Was it really, in Hebrew, "I am the Yahweh your Yahweh..." or does God call Himself Lord and God in the Bible? If so, so can we. Even the non-squeaky clean urbanites reading their KJV have the same words in that verse...Lord, and God.
Old testament is the God of this world, New testament Father sends Jesus as the door out of this carnal creation
Correct!! Welcome to the .01 percent! It can seem like a lonely road but we were blessed to receive this truth 🙏🏾
Maybe Jesus died to kill the old God's evil and made a new rule which is repentance
No. Jesus died for your sins and his blood is sufficient to make you righteous in God's eyes IF you place your trust and faith in Jesus.
Like thanos ?
@@impattman2199 are you bending reality again mis Scarlet witch? Do you want me to change anything?
No repentance in the O.T.? Have you not read Joel 2:12-13; Isa 45:22, 55:7; Eze 14:6; 18:30 ; 33:11?
Wow the knowledge is hurting me the triunion god man I love Christian Calculus 1g+1h+1s=Keanu Reeves ×4to the second power which equals 3 is one god so simple common
Don't sound ignorant. It's actually pretty easy to understand.
A book has being, it is a thing. Ask "what" is that, and you have an answer. But it has not 'who" is that answer. It had no person to it.
You are a thing (human being, flesh and blood), but you're also a person (who you really are that makes you so distinct in personality, will, desires, etc.)
God, being infinitely higher than you or a book, can be one being (eternal God) and having three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). 3 and 1, not 3 in 1. Big difference.
See, easy to contemplate!
But I see you like math, so how about this: A triangle always has 180degrees from its interior angles. But it also always has three angles, and three sides. One triangle, three angles/points. One God, three angles/points, each with its distinctness, but all making up the whole.
Hope that helps! :)
Lol really? He’s a monster!
What do you mean by that homie?
infinightsky 100% true! The book of Job proves that.
God love evil and that is why we have evil.
..this guys channel is growing cuz he tickles ears..
Bogus accusation!
@@TheRemnantRadio ...bogus accusation.. ..you ever wonder why everything on youtube and across all social media platforms is being censored.. ..because most of it is true.. ..you ever wonder why all these christian channels are not being censored becasue its all bullshit and the powers that be don't care if you and Leighton and Winger run your mouths presenting falsehoods about god.. ..telling people and yourself what you want to hear.. ..if the truth of jesus was being preached you wouldn't have a channel.. ..it is painfully self evident that God created evil......even to a child... ..furthermore if a creature is indeed omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient which you claim God is......it is again painfully self evident that there is no one who has a libertarian free will EXCEPT for the one who is indeed omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient.. ..and to say otherwise is absolute intellectual dishonesty.. ..one doesn't even need the scriptures to prove this.. ..and I will admit I have only watched two your of vids and the lack of honesty is astounding.. ..and I am not saying you all are speaking blatant lies.. ..I am saying none of you....Leighton and Winger or yourself are being honest with yourselves.. ..and have not looked at anything from Gods perspective.....only the perspective of fallen man.. ..and in doing so have tickled your own ears as well as everyone who listens......... .
Is the god of the OT evil? Of course not, it's imaginary.
That’s cool can’t be a Jew and a Christian.
Tell that to Peter, or Paul, or John, or James, etc. etc.
Mike hasn't read the bible
Yes he is evil how can you take it out of context
More useless apologetics, watch genetically modified skeptic or cosmic skeptic and you will see how weak these arguments are
Wrong. That guy's useless moron!
I've been where you guys are right now. I understand where you're coming from. But one thing is certain, just as I was completely closed minded thinking I was open-minded, you guys can't even consider an alternate narrative. Everything that you present is so biased. You don't even understand your own statements that you're making. You think you're making statements of fact. You're making statements of conclusion not fact