Valid points Jared and thanks for the mention! Not many people have the courage to speak up like you just did. We need more of that so we can save cycling from the marketing hyenas who push expensive waxed chains and disc brakes on tt bikes etc. Cycling for the noob today is just WAY over complicated and expensive. Cycling is about simple living and making society better. Ride to live and live to ride!
You can see how much the cycling community has shrunk over the last few years, it's manly due to the high cost of these heavy disc brake bikes, many cyclist i knew here have given up cycle due to the Cost involved now
Arguably cycling is many things to many people mate. Though completely agree that far too many people buy into the marketing and what is 'sold' to us. I think people with limited money need to realise you don't need the best to have fun or go fast or benefit from any particular aspect of cycling. Those with money will always by the latest stuff, regardless of whether its better or not. There will always be Joneses. Sadly there's far too many every day cyclists that think they have a right to scoff at those that are smart enough to not buy into consumerism....because by getting others to buy the same stuff it justifies their lunatic spending on the 'fastest' and 'lightest'. Where's the hype for the most durable or most affordable or most fixable?
i agree with both of you .. this summer i had no bike left then a single speed in my garage (and in the past i raced mtb bikes) .. i just trained myself all the summer on it and that worked out for me to keep the shape and level i wanted .. i felt no need to upgrade to high specs bike .. so i am on the same page.. that biking is simple.. take a bike that is suited for you and just go out pedaling ..
Agree 1000% with your sentiments. The integrated cockpit is the poster child of modern bicycle “innovation” insanity. It makes finessing with bike fit a complete train wreck.
I have a 10 year old Cervelo R5, rim brakes, 105 groupset and Mavic Kysrium wheels, still goes like a dream and servicing costs are minimal. Only upgrade I’ve been considering lately are a decent set of carbon wheels .
Ask an experienced bike mechanic and they will tell you what the industry product pushers won’t. Great video Jared. Transparent , accurate, truthful. 👍
Well, it depends on a lot. For riders who don't do rain you're right. I live in the westcoast of Norway (Northern Europe). In my city it rains (or snows) 200 days in a year. I ride 20000km each year also doing ultra distance events. My wheelsets (disc brake) is 5 years old. When I ran rim brakes I needed a new set each spring. As for the internal routing I'm not the greatest fan, but you if you run a continuous outer cable from shifter to mech you can keep it for many years and just pull out the old wire and insert a new one every second year. Then it becomes quite easy to maintain. As for the bleeding; it's not that difficult if you have the tools and well worth the savings you get from not having to buy new wheels every spring. And it also means that you can run nicer wheels all the year because the rims don't wear out. When doing ultra distance events the hydraulic braking is very safe when you get tired and hands go numb. So no rim brakes for me. Protip: don't use alu-nippels on carbon rims. They will corrode in wet and salty roads.
I agree 100%. I'm in western Oregon and ride year round. I have no desire to go back to rim brakes even though hydraulic brake maintenance requires more time. The additional risk and stress of riding in the wet with rim brakes is simply not worth it for me. I also ran through a set of rims very quickly after moving here but have been on the same quality carbon disc wheels for 7 years quite happily. Not saying I disagree with the rest of the points made by these folks, but I do disagree with the idea that rim brakes are better. They're not for me with the weather where I live and ride.
I agree with you. I started riding in 1988. So, I have lots of experience with rim brakes. I bought my first disc brake road bike about 6 years ago. I just bought a new road frame and it is disc. I have no intentions of ever buying another rim brake bike. I just sold my last rim brake bike. On the rare occasions I rode it, I had to recalibrate my stopping. And I remember how how impressed I was with the braking when I bought it. Plus, I do occasionally ride in the mountains and disc brakes absolutely rule in the mountains. Like you said, bleeding is actually pretty simple and not a big deal once you learn it.
Alloy rims brake absolutely fine, and you're delusional if you truly believe otherwise. I live in Southern California and can bomb descents and brake perfectly fine. Actually the first time I had an oh shit moment was when I first road a disc brake bike, going downhill at a 15% gradient which leads to a very hard decreasing radius turn, I locked up the rear wheel and had to let go a bit. That never happened to me on my rim brake bike on that exact same road. I don't get to brake any later on my disc brake bike than my rim brake bike either. Once you understand the modulation of your brakes, they stop exactly the same. Even carbon rim brake with good pads like swisstops work great. Everyone just believes they brake bad because they used pads made for alloy rims.
@@Silidons91 Sorry, you don't know what your talking about. Here in Bergen, Norway it rains more every second week than in a typical year in California. Its hilly too.
I completely agree that at the low end external cables make sense, but if someone buys a $12,000 bike, they are going to be able to pay for an expensive service.
11:28 im all for alu-rimbrake wheels but you cant deny that the feeling/stiffness you get from riding carbon wheels is ALOT better. Probably one of the best upgrades you can have on a bike.
A good aluminium rim is better than an average carbon rim, spoke tension is always more consistent with an aluminium rim. Stiff wheels are not necessarily better, stiff bikes are not necessarily better, marketing spin is largely misleading in order to sell the dream.
This is why I stick to a middle ground on everything when it comes to cycling products. Example: custom built carbon wheels with my choice of hubs and spokes, 12 speed mechanical Shimano 9100 (hacked 😎), EE rim brakes, 28mm clincher tires with latex tubes, modern high-end steel, carbon fork, carbon bars, aluminum/titanium stem, titanium crankset, etc.
I'll take my 1,350 gram 50mm Winspace Hyper carbon (rim brake) wheels any day, except crazy windy days here in Tucson (I have 30mm carbon wheels for those) over my old Easton EA90 SLX aluminum wheels, which eventually cracked the rim around one of the spoke holes. I used to love the Eastons, and have a pair of replacement Easton R90SL wheels on DT Swiss 240 hubs that only collect dust in my garage. My 50mm wheels just feel better for everything except heavy crosswinds (I'm talking over 15-20+ mph winds) on my 15 pound, 2020 Trek Emonda ALR (rim brake) that I built up from a frameset, and I've also never had any braking issues, even back when I rode in the mountains of southern California. On the subject of bikes themselves and new vs old, I've owned road/mountain (and now gravel) bikes since 1991 and my current aluminum Emonda has overall been my favorite road bike. By far. Same goes with my new Trek Roscoe 9 mountain bike, soooooooooo much better than mountain bikes from 20+ years ago.
I like Durianrider, but he can be a drama queen. Even though I have a number of bikes with hydro disc brakes and internal cable I agree with you and Durianrider that the older bikes were often lighter and easier to maintain. Having said that, I have a 2018 Giant Defy Advanced Pro 0 (full carbon, hydro discs, Di2, etc) and have ridden the bike for 10,000km with very little maintenance. I've not had to adjust/bleed the brakes and have only had the Di2 shifter/derailleur adjusted once.
Di2 will be the death of me. Those things are so reliable and need little to no tuning. This may be the way I will like modern bikes again. I just don't like the idea of having to charge my bikes.
The guy is right, but, cos there is always a BUT, older constructions are better, older cars are stronger, and like that with almost all that was builded to last long. Bicycle industry got hock by the same all industries are getting into and is more complicated/advance products/ more business, more parts, less durability. Simple. Good for bike mechanics, less good for the consumers that can’t do mechanics and are not handy. THE END
We're not talking brain surgery here. The consumer of today in comparison to yesteryear are of little difference to one another. Those who will do their own service work today are those who would have done it yesteryear, as are those who elect for someone else to do the work. I'm fully capable of doing it myself, but on a cost/time/convenience ratio, it makes far more sense across the board to have someone do it for me.
100% true. Worst mistake one can make is to try to do bicycle touring on a bike they can’t service or can’t get anyone else out in no man’s land to service
Excellent video and it’s so nice to hear someone else online talking truthfully. I love my rim brake bikes from the latest top end race versions to my old vintage classics. The problem is that cycling is now middle class and this is the demographic the marketing is aimed at and they believe all the bullshit. We need more people like you and Harley keeping it real and get more kids into the sport.
I completely agree. Bike industry is making it into a Niche sport. Similar to golf. Unless you are a professional being sponsored who can pay the crazy bike prices that are being pushed out their. 5k to 10k for some bike that weighs 1 to 2 pounds less than a budget alu bike. My alu bike is 15+ years old, still running 10 speed and I can do all of the maintenance myself. Unfortunately most other youtube channels lie to the viewer claiming the new bike with disc brakes are better.
The bike business is very fad driven. Personal fitness is going to be the factor when going fast. YT channels get money for promoting bikes. If you like what you have, there is no reason to switch.
My alu Madone is 10spd it's (was) a dream bike @durianriders will tell you the cold hard truth - that is his frequency and not a lot of folk can get onto it, that's tuff. He's right to compare "big" cycling to carnivores and that ain't nowt to do with him being a vegan. How did the niche market get a hold? in a word insecurity, same as dopin'.
I also have a bianchi Pennia 2005 rim brake it is 18 years old now upgraded to campagnolo 12 Speed very easy to maintain now i got a new bike called Winspace SLC with Campy 12 Speed with WTO 45 WHELLS
Partly it depends on where you are, and what you use the bike for. I'm a bicycle commuter in Seattle. When I had to use rim brakes, I would only get three years out of a front rim before I had to lace a new rim in because the old one was ground down to where it was unsafe. Using rim brakes in the rain generates lots of oxidized aluminum goo that gets all over the tire, all over the bike, and all over your hands and clothes when you have to fix a flat. My road bike is a 2016 CAAD 12, and after seven years and 7,500 miles (I'm mostly a commuter rider), I've never needed to bleed the brakes. Changing internal brifter cables is definitely a major pain! I built my (disc brake) commuter bike with external cables, and I'm using the SunTour bar end shifters I've had on various bikes since the 70's, and with over 150,000 miles on them, they still work great. I doubt any brifter will ever achieve that.
I too like discs on my commuter bikes and anything that goes off road. I have spent time commuting around Seattle. I know of the nasty gunk you speak of.
That was a surprise. I saw a rebuttal by the Zero Friction guy and he cast some negative thoughts regarding the credibility of Durianrider. So, I began to think he was maybe full of you know what. Your video returns some of my respect for Durianrider. I've got an old 21 speed bike with aluminum rims and rim brakes. I guess I will keep riding it and see if the bike manufacturers begin to offer simplified bikes that enable owners to continue to do their own work. if not, I'll just get another old bike.
‘Rebuttal’ 😅 My lawyer said I should try take his house away as the level of defamation was clear and malicious’. The dude sells people $350 waxed chains and lies to his audience lol. The dude isn’t even fast. I’ve dropped him every time we hit hills hard. He didn’t even dare to debate my technical points and instead just tried to slander me. The dude needs help lol. He claims to be a professional yet look at the thumbnail click bait he used lol. He exposed himself. His backyard data isn’t accurate at all and he is a racist and a lair. His products he flogs are carcinogenic and over priced. Dude needs to learn some integrity and apology to Hambini is due.
Yea I didnt know what kind of burr Durian had in his arse all the time. But he should let it go because the bike industry has a whole bunch of young folks that believe all the hype about new tech because the never rode older bikes. You are exactly right about the old bike weights and ease to work on. People say weight does not matter but if you ride side by side comparisons you can tell especially when its a wheel set. And Im a mountain biker so what the hell do I know.
I was looking for a new bike. Instead of buying new I bought a 2014 Argon 18 and modernized a lot of the components. There have been issues with it but I have managed to fix just about everything myself. The bike doesn’t hold me back and that’s the biggest thing.
Changing disc brake pads is a relatively simple. I have being using a modern bike for 3 years with no problem. As an older rider with arthritic wrists my SRAM wireless gear changing is a life saver. Agree for most to bleed the hydraulic brakes requires a bike shop but other than that the rest of maintaining the bike is no different than the older bikes.
well partially agree, I have rim and disc brake bike.. I really dont care about the difference in braking. The biggest selling point of the disc brake is the capability of riding wider tires. The condition of the roads i ride are far from perfect and the pleasure of riding 25mm wide rims at 50 pounds makes the whole difference in the world that no rim brake bike will ever give you.. even running tubeless on rim.
Straight talk, and 100% correct. True road bikes are not especially fast or slow -- riders are. Many of today's road riders are being duped, while those of us who've been road riding for literally 40+ years know what works, and we're not being swayed by the hype. All of my road bikes have rim brakes, cable-operated shifters, and aluminum wheels, and none of them are newer than 2019 (that one's a custom Columbus Life bike from Italy with fully mechanical Campy and rim brakes). My oldest is a Vitus 888 Motobecane from 1980 with a 6-speed cluster and down tube shifters, and I can still go faster on that antique than most of the riders in my group can go on their brand new "super" bikes. To boot, I'm 63.
I think bike technology maxed out in the mid 2000s. I ride an 07 specialized Roubaix. It was 800$ with top level components. I didn’t buy it to impress others. Lightweight, reliable, fast.
the bike i ride the most is the bike i can maintain easily and not think about it. how ever my fastest bike is a modern disc brake road bike on the flats and up to 6 percent incline . as a training bike that i put the most km on i prefer rim brake. but for race day i take the new bike.
When I left school back in the early 80's I did five years working in a VW repair shop, I could pull and rebuild a VW motor for less than $800.00, these engines would create either 36hp or 40hp. Great cars, why did we all get sucked into this modern technology? I would hate to have to pay someone to rebuild an engine on a modern car because I certainly am not capable of doing it myself. But I'm definitely not driving around in a VW Beetle these days. I bought the latest model TCR, with disc brakes but it still has external cables outside the head tube, perfect bike for me and added to the collection which includes rim and disc brakes, the weight difference between the TCR with discs and my lightest rim brake bike is equal to 3x gels in the pocket, but it is my bike of choice for sprint training. I do all my maintenance on my bikes myself, have been doing so since I was 12, it's not really difficult.
Run a 90 Cannondale 2.8 frame 62 cm. Last year of Superbe pro. and mix of Dura Ace dual pivot brakes (later upgrade). Plenty strong on downhills. MTN bike is a Klien Palamino running Disc... love it, much better than cantilever, but yest very expensive to replace. Commuter is old Nishiki mtb Cunningham, cantilever with upgrades, kept simple for roadside repair when bags... so i tend to target kind or riding and need for durability and simplicity of repairs vs mtb hardcore ride...I want strong brakes
My rim break carbon wheels have worn out after only two years. Buying a brand new rim break bike two years ago was a mistake. Aluminum wheels is not an option. They wear out too anyway. Durianrider is fine to great about a few things (veganism, environmental issues, carbs, value of older bikes) but out to lunch and weird about many others (weight loss, feminism, PED use, and Greg Doucette)
DurianRider is still on RUclips? I wouldn’t know because I blocked him a decade ago. Sure there are cost/value advantages to AL and other metal bikes. And disc brakes squeal when out of alignment. But saying that older bikes are ‘better’? And as a justification for DR being ‘right’. Nah dude. Respect but DR just wants to create chaos….
He's the David Koresh of cycling lol...I was grimacing through one of his narcissistic videos when my missus came into the room,,she watched a minute of him and took an instant dislike...said he gave her the creeps...
There's so much to unpack here (I've been a bike mech for over twenty five years and when you talk about the consistent need for brake bleeds and 3-4 times longer cable replacements it makes me shake my head. Yeah it can take longer for internal cables but that's only on bikes that don't have internal routing. Most open mold generic chinese carbon bikes have internal routing. And the advantage of internal is protecting the cables?) but overall this thing with debating old vs new is so tired. It's a matter of preference, the major companies aren't going to keep making the same stuff, minor companies and builders integrate old tech with new, racing doesn't need to dictate what us mere mortal riders ride, Durian makes good points but he's a fudging nut case....etc. I ride old stuff, new stuff, rim, disc and at 47 I just really appreciate the options we have. Some of the old stuff is still good and some of it isn't. Some of it's garbage and we suffered bitd but of course it's what we had and we didn't know better. Also, I don't get this contradictory thing you do where you champion older bikes yet relish in making more money on newer bikes. Cringe.
Enjoyed this video , what a relief , someone apart from durianrider and possibly madpec cycles and hambini that are giving the customer unbiased information which is valuable for noobs like myself , I am 52 been cycling for 4 years , I also listen to durianrider for nutritional information , look forward to more of this type of content
Sir / madam would you like wind up windows with your 2023 car? We also have RDS radios AND you can forget cassettes. We have CD’s now. People have a hard time coming to grips with the word infotainment taking over from radio. Things evolve. I get the rim vs disc argument from all aspects and unless you’re doing it for weight (high end racer) or budget (low end pocket) then discs have to win the debate no? One this is for sure, aesthetically, discs and internal routing / cockpit looks way more pleasing to the eye. Cooler. Plus, bike shops need the work too guy. Help your local shop out!!!
It's mostly a boogeyman story mate. Three types are changing cables once a year. A: The close to going pro. B. The super active amateur riding many thousands of kilometres a year C. The neurotic. But whatta ya know? A bike with internal cables in most cases also has....yep, you guessed it, internal routing!
This same argument also apply to why some people buy lamborghini instead of toyota prius. The prius is so light, so fuel efficient and so easy to maintain, why buy a lambo? The truth is, people who own a lambo don't mind to wake up early Sunday morning and take their lambo out for a spin, where as the people who drive prius only take the car out when they need to go grocery shopping. Not to say who is right and who is wrong, i think the primarily objective of a bike is to inspire you to get out and ride and improve your fitness. For that matter, i rather spend the money on a bike that would inspire me to ride more and look forward to the next ride when i just finish one. Whether a 1990's bike inspire you more or the latest 2023 bike is entirely up to individual.
Durian is the king of cycling he always tells the truth and can help save you Money. I have a brand new giant Tcr with upgraded wheels and and tyres. The rim brake of course Thanks durian rider He can look at a bike and see a recall or fault in minutes
Most people (for some reason) don't understand they're not in the pro pelton. The pros get $30,000 bike given to them.If your just riding on public roads posting strava segments, don't bother.Save your cash.
Where I from, bike mechanic don't charge by the hour, they charge by the work they do. Which is crazy to think actually, a customer is supposed to pay for the hours spent by a mechanic to fix something up? What happens if the mechanic is a slow one? Or they purposely work slow? We are supposed to trust every mechanic? I guess this is a western thing, same as paying tips, customers are not supposed to do that, your employer should be paying their staff enough, that's the whole purpose of working.
all fair points but still doesn't solve the problem of what happens when a consumer like me doesn't want to fuck around with buying some random second hand bike and wants to go new but forced to buy a ridiculously overpriced disc road bike. The only thing I can do is not become a cyclist because it just gets all to hard in the end which is what I feel now.
Very good point. To participate in the sport of cycling will cost you big money. 5K to start with a pro model bike which needs to be replaced every 4 to 5 years to keep up. This prices many people out of competitive riding. Cycling is a rich mans sport and that is just the way it is. You can still be a cyclist though. Just not a racer. This is one reason new bike tech is debated. Invest in a good quality bike that will last many years and just enjoy riding. Many people go this rout.
I disagree. I ride in the alps and disc brakes especially in the wet is a game changer. Of course Discs don’t wear out your rims. As a result of disc, larger tires makes the ride way more comfortable and your bike more versatile - you can even get up to 35mm tires on road bikes now so you can do off-road gravel. Take or leave the latest aero stuff but if you think cable-less sram is harder than fiddling around with steel cables and then reindexing all the time to compensate up for stretch then you’ve never done it. Marketing claims about aero is one thing but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water!
Of course he's correct, I don't always agree with everything he says, although he's spot on most of the time, modern bikes are needlessly over priced and engineered, I'd hazard a guess that the big bike brand designers aren't cyclists and are also paid too much, sure we all want innovation, but not at any cost.
Horses for courses. Been riding bikes since before Durian rider was born! I have ridden my Roubaix for nearly 10 years, love it. It has rim brakes, but moved to Di2 when my arthritis made it difficult to change gear especially in the wet (btw healed the arthritis using vegan diet). Earlier this year I did in fact upgrade my bike to a modern Scott Addict, Di2, Carbon tubeless tyres, and you know what? It's absolutely amazing. I can't wait to go out on it every day. It handles like a charm. Stiff, responsive, fast, and you feel confident racing down hills. Brakes are awesome. I ain't going back (Roubaix now winter bike though). Everyone is different, nothing suits all. I do my own maintenance too, it's not that difficult.
New bikes are awesome but so so expensive. Maintenance and upkeep is ridiculous. They are also problematic needing more attention to maintainence and tuning. Cheers I subbed and liked
Maybe there's more money in new style bikes for the industry but if less people are buying and cycling as a hobby then how much are you gaining really?
WHAT banana girl???? i have to look 4 that...btw because he gets the views'''' and ya im one of those guys the follow him..and im also natty no juice...im like cookie man,,,lmaoooooo
Well the industry has already backtracked on the nonsense of a million different BBs and Press Fit somewhat, so who knows maybe we'll see some backtracking with new rim brake bikes. Which would be great as I wouldn't have to shop 2nd hand for my next bikethen. I bought a new 105 rim group the second Shimano dropped the rim brake from that group. I have owned a di2 bike tho and I would say although components are ridiculously expensive brand new, that it needs vritually no maintenance, so I'm not against all new tech at all.
Agreed that modern road bikes with internal cabling and disc brakes,electronics,also tubeless tyres are shit. Retro grouch.? KISS is king. My most recent bike is 2012 and most date from the 90s so I can fix myself. Hardtail mtb has discs which work,still not sorted for road and too heavy.Don't have gravel bike so maybe they are OK? Hate planned obsolescence and redundancy in nearly everything now and the rediculous cost. Bring back engineering and get rid of the marketing wanketeering.
Durian has a stack in a company that doesn’t make disc break frames. That is all. He has points for sure. Everyone who isn’t after the latest greatest can see this.
this is totally not true, the company he used to have make his frames don't even make rim brake frames anymore and he's not selling bikes right now. he buys old bikes off facebook marketplace and sells them
WHAT COMPANY DOESNT MAKE ROAD DISC??? 😂 The brands I’m sponsored by ALL do road disc. I just don’t recommend road disc if performance is what you want.
But you are missing the most important point for a real cyclist when it comes to owning a bike: is it cool? That's it! A cool bike trumps anything else! Ride old, ride new, ride disk breaks, ride rim breaks, ride aero, ride a commuter, ride whatever! Just ride! ( except, electric bikes, that's cheating... ha!)
I've been riding my alluminium Claude Butler San Remo for about 16 years now, downtube shifters, rim brakes, 14 gears, easy peasy and cheap as chips. As a 'warmshowers' host, I've hosted people doing crazy long trips on a 200 quid Decathlon bike or even better still, second hand road bikes from the 90s / early 2000s. I don't think there's anything wrong with bike manufacturers trying to milk people who have more money than sense but keep producing affordable stuff too. Otherwise, stock up on some old stuff while you can and you're sorted for life, because that old stuff lasts.
old vs new? easier to work on but geometry and components are lame. Newer bikes have tapered headtubes, carbon wheels, better bottom bracket! im not sold on electronics and do you need disc brakes? well it depends on hilly rides and wet weather--- hell yes get disc brakes. tubeless tires! man come to the future. but you can also be selective on what you ride. i ride a trek madone 11 speed rim brake bike, that trek pilot is so 2003. there just is better stuff now. dont hate on the future. durrian rider is lame!
SO TOUR de FRANCE riders dont know the difference between a climbing bike? A time trial bike. Brakes are as good? Wheels are as strong? Don’t see any of this dated crap in pro racing. Bleeding brakes adding new rotors not rocket science. Steel frame is lighter than carbon fiber? I forgot, a vegan diet is all you really need, no really.
Germs ??? He's doing something right, he always has hot girls around him. All I see around you is that little dog. He's cute but not the thing that is going to get clicks on your channel.
Sorry, but if you trying to say that disc brakes are hard to maintain😂 and through axle, is somehow not good. It just showing how good mechanic you are. I'm maintaining my bicycle on my own, and i can see that you want to justify your poor servicing skills.
One of the things Durian Rider pushes is the financial aspects of getting into cycling. He shows us that there are beautiful high quality road bikes out there that will do the job for a tiny fraction of the cost of a contemporary bike. Good on ya Harley.
Thanks mate! That is why the racist sell outs like ZFC and co try to cancel me. They never said a word about me until I started exposing their BS. Myself, Hambini and co come under fire because we have big platforms and have the courage to speak up for the average rider. We stand against corporate bigotry and lies.
I like Durianrider videos minus the cursing. That's his chose to curse. I watched him since he started. I liked the content about cycling. I agree about vintage bikes being easier to buy and service, My newest bike is a 1992 Trek 8000 SLR and oldest is a 1984 Cannondale SR 300. I watch GCN ( global cycling network) now. No cursing, and plenty of content about old and new bikes, as well as the Park tool channel. I like riding bikes because it's fun and helps me appreciate living,
Greetings from Australia. I live in the same city as Durianrider and have met him in person a few times at my local parkrun and other running events (he is also a top notch runner although obviously he cycles far more and credits that for his fitness for running too without the high impact of running training). I'm a big cycling enthusiast particularly commuting by bike to work most days and social type rides or riding my MTB on trails. His videos are certainly entertaining. In real life he is easy to chat to and has given me some good pointers with regards to my own bike maintenance so he knows his stuff. He is always happy to chat about fitness, cycling and nutrition. Whilst I'm not vegan I can see it's merits and he is always happy to chat about that but isn't forceful about trying to promote it. Cool easy going guy from my experiences with him in real life.
same here .. i don't get exited with these new bike tech gimmicks, it's all marketing .. my rimbrake t.i. lynskey works perfect for me all these years .. ❤🎉
Hey Mr. Morris, veganism is not an answer to many problems but it's sure helps a lot. It changed my life for the better and 15+ yrs now into veg cult and so far I don't see any signs to get out. I'm older than Harley and now observe many of my friends 50+ getting onto some expensive meds, cutting polyps from their a$$e$, removing stones, treating inflated lymph nodes, etc. etc. I listen to their health stories and look at them like shrink looks at the patient.
I agree. I know quite a few folks who follow a vegan diet with much success. It is something that may help people with health issues. People need to do what works best for their bodies, and sometimes that means going vegan.
Yes, Durianrider is right about how cycling companies fleece ignorant consumers with fake marketing promises and increased complexity which translates to higher profit due to increased failures. Same with what the car industry is doing. More parts = higher probability of failure. This translates to more profit for manufacturers.
If you look at a top end road bike from 1990, 2005….those bikes could and did go YEARS without major and in some cases any maintenance aside from tubes tires and MAYBE brake pads….you can not say that of modern bikes at all…..cost of entry and maintenance is also prohibitive…and dealing with scheduling maintenance at a bike shop…..no thanks
Valid points Jared and thanks for the mention!
Not many people have the courage to speak up like you just did. We need more of that so we can save cycling from the marketing hyenas who push expensive waxed chains and disc brakes on tt bikes etc.
Cycling for the noob today is just WAY over complicated and expensive.
Cycling is about simple living and making society better.
Ride to live and live to ride!
You can see how much the cycling community has shrunk over the last few years, it's manly due to the high cost of these heavy disc brake bikes, many cyclist i knew here have given up cycle due to the Cost involved now
100% true
You are correct! I look forward to more of your content. Thanks for your time.
Arguably cycling is many things to many people mate. Though completely agree that far too many people buy into the marketing and what is 'sold' to us. I think people with limited money need to realise you don't need the best to have fun or go fast or benefit from any particular aspect of cycling. Those with money will always by the latest stuff, regardless of whether its better or not. There will always be Joneses.
Sadly there's far too many every day cyclists that think they have a right to scoff at those that are smart enough to not buy into consumerism....because by getting others to buy the same stuff it justifies their lunatic spending on the 'fastest' and 'lightest'. Where's the hype for the most durable or most affordable or most fixable?
i agree with both of you .. this summer i had no bike left then a single speed in my garage (and in the past i raced mtb bikes) .. i just trained myself all the summer on it and that worked out for me to keep the shape and level i wanted .. i felt no need to upgrade to high specs bike .. so i am on the same page.. that biking is simple.. take a bike that is suited for you and just go out pedaling ..
Agree 1000% with your sentiments.
The integrated cockpit is the poster child of modern bicycle “innovation” insanity. It makes finessing with bike fit a complete train wreck.
“If you know, you know”
I have a 10 year old Cervelo R5, rim brakes, 105 groupset and Mavic Kysrium wheels, still goes like a dream and servicing costs are minimal. Only upgrade I’ve been considering lately are a decent set of carbon wheels .
Buy some used ones - like two or three years old. Oh thats right - I forgot that would be stupid.
Ask an experienced bike mechanic and they will tell you what the industry product pushers won’t. Great video Jared. Transparent , accurate, truthful. 👍
Thanks for your time!
Well, it depends on a lot. For riders who don't do rain you're right. I live in the westcoast of Norway (Northern Europe). In my city it rains (or snows) 200 days in a year. I ride 20000km each year also doing ultra distance events. My wheelsets (disc brake) is 5 years old. When I ran rim brakes I needed a new set each spring. As for the internal routing I'm not the greatest fan, but you if you run a continuous outer cable from shifter to mech you can keep it for many years and just pull out the old wire and insert a new one every second year. Then it becomes quite easy to maintain. As for the bleeding; it's not that difficult if you have the tools and well worth the savings you get from not having to buy new wheels every spring. And it also means that you can run nicer wheels all the year because the rims don't wear out. When doing ultra distance events the hydraulic braking is very safe when you get tired and hands go numb. So no rim brakes for me. Protip: don't use alu-nippels on carbon rims. They will corrode in wet and salty roads.
I agree 100%. I'm in western Oregon and ride year round. I have no desire to go back to rim brakes even though hydraulic brake maintenance requires more time. The additional risk and stress of riding in the wet with rim brakes is simply not worth it for me. I also ran through a set of rims very quickly after moving here but have been on the same quality carbon disc wheels for 7 years quite happily.
Not saying I disagree with the rest of the points made by these folks, but I do disagree with the idea that rim brakes are better. They're not for me with the weather where I live and ride.
I agree with you. I started riding in 1988. So, I have lots of experience with rim brakes. I bought my first disc brake road bike about 6 years ago. I just bought a new road frame and it is disc. I have no intentions of ever buying another rim brake bike. I just sold my last rim brake bike. On the rare occasions I rode it, I had to recalibrate my stopping. And I remember how how impressed I was with the braking when I bought it. Plus, I do occasionally ride in the mountains and disc brakes absolutely rule in the mountains. Like you said, bleeding is actually pretty simple and not a big deal once you learn it.
Alloy rims brake absolutely fine, and you're delusional if you truly believe otherwise. I live in Southern California and can bomb descents and brake perfectly fine. Actually the first time I had an oh shit moment was when I first road a disc brake bike, going downhill at a 15% gradient which leads to a very hard decreasing radius turn, I locked up the rear wheel and had to let go a bit. That never happened to me on my rim brake bike on that exact same road. I don't get to brake any later on my disc brake bike than my rim brake bike either. Once you understand the modulation of your brakes, they stop exactly the same.
Even carbon rim brake with good pads like swisstops work great. Everyone just believes they brake bad because they used pads made for alloy rims.
@@Silidons91 Sorry, you don't know what your talking about. Here in Bergen, Norway it rains more every second week than in a typical year in California. Its hilly too.
@@Silidons91just because you think something doesn't make it true for others. Disc brakes in the wet just work better for most people, period.
I completely agree that at the low end external cables make sense, but if someone buys a $12,000 bike, they are going to be able to pay for an expensive service.
refreshing to hear a pro tell it as it is ! rim brakes on super light alloy rims is what I use
It's time tested light and reliable. Easy choice for me.
Good to know, thanks for sharing & no bad language.
DR is right that cycling is supposed to simplify your life, the contemporary bike industry is totally opposed to this.
11:28 im all for alu-rimbrake wheels but you cant deny that the feeling/stiffness you get from riding carbon wheels is ALOT better. Probably one of the best upgrades you can have on a bike.
Good point.
A good aluminium rim is better than an average carbon rim, spoke tension is always more consistent with an aluminium rim.
Stiff wheels are not necessarily better, stiff bikes are not necessarily better, marketing spin is largely misleading in order to sell the dream.
This is why I stick to a middle ground on everything when it comes to cycling products.
Example: custom built carbon wheels with my choice of hubs and spokes, 12 speed mechanical Shimano 9100 (hacked 😎), EE rim brakes, 28mm clincher tires with latex tubes, modern high-end steel, carbon fork, carbon bars, aluminum/titanium stem, titanium crankset, etc.
and also can't beat that awesome the sound from the carbon but it was once a poor mans sport.
I'll take my 1,350 gram 50mm Winspace Hyper carbon (rim brake) wheels any day, except crazy windy days here in Tucson (I have 30mm carbon wheels for those) over my old Easton EA90 SLX aluminum wheels, which eventually cracked the rim around one of the spoke holes. I used to love the Eastons, and have a pair of replacement Easton R90SL wheels on DT Swiss 240 hubs that only collect dust in my garage. My 50mm wheels just feel better for everything except heavy crosswinds (I'm talking over 15-20+ mph winds) on my 15 pound, 2020 Trek Emonda ALR (rim brake) that I built up from a frameset, and I've also never had any braking issues, even back when I rode in the mountains of southern California. On the subject of bikes themselves and new vs old, I've owned road/mountain (and now gravel) bikes since 1991 and my current aluminum Emonda has overall been my favorite road bike. By far. Same goes with my new Trek Roscoe 9 mountain bike, soooooooooo much better than mountain bikes from 20+ years ago.
I like Durianrider, but he can be a drama queen.
Even though I have a number of bikes with hydro disc brakes and internal cable I agree with you and Durianrider that the older bikes were often lighter and easier to maintain.
Having said that, I have a 2018 Giant Defy Advanced Pro 0 (full carbon, hydro discs, Di2, etc) and have ridden the bike for 10,000km with very little maintenance. I've not had to adjust/bleed the brakes and have only had the Di2 shifter/derailleur adjusted once.
Di2 will be the death of me. Those things are so reliable and need little to no tuning. This may be the way I will like modern bikes again. I just don't like the idea of having to charge my bikes.
The guy is right, but, cos there is always a BUT, older constructions are better, older cars are stronger, and like that with almost all that was builded to last long. Bicycle industry got hock by the same all industries are getting into and is more complicated/advance products/ more business, more parts, less durability. Simple. Good for bike mechanics, less good for the consumers that can’t do mechanics and are not handy. THE END
Well said!
Accurate. :)
We're not talking brain surgery here. The consumer of today in comparison to yesteryear are of little difference to one another. Those who will do their own service work today are those who would have done it yesteryear, as are those who elect for someone else to do the work. I'm fully capable of doing it myself, but on a cost/time/convenience ratio, it makes far more sense across the board to have someone do it for me.
100% true. Worst mistake one can make is to try to do bicycle touring on a bike they can’t service or can’t get anyone else out in no man’s land to service
Excellent video and it’s so nice to hear someone else online talking truthfully.
I love my rim brake bikes from the latest top end race versions to my old vintage classics.
The problem is that cycling is now middle class and this is the demographic the marketing is aimed at and they believe all the bullshit.
We need more people like you and Harley keeping it real and get more kids into the sport.
I completely agree. Bike industry is making it into a Niche sport. Similar to golf. Unless you are a professional being sponsored who can pay the crazy bike prices that are being pushed out their. 5k to 10k for some bike that weighs 1 to 2 pounds less than a budget alu bike. My alu bike is 15+ years old, still running 10 speed and I can do all of the maintenance myself. Unfortunately most other youtube channels lie to the viewer claiming the new bike with disc brakes are better.
The bike business is very fad driven. Personal fitness is going to be the factor when going fast. YT channels get money for promoting bikes. If you like what you have, there is no reason to switch.
My alu Madone is 10spd it's (was) a dream bike @durianriders will tell you the cold hard truth - that is his frequency and not a lot of folk can get onto it, that's tuff. He's right to compare "big" cycling to carnivores and that ain't nowt to do with him being a vegan. How did the niche market get a hold? in a word insecurity, same as dopin'.
I also have a bianchi Pennia 2005 rim brake it is 18 years old now upgraded to campagnolo 12 Speed very easy to maintain now i got a new bike called Winspace SLC with Campy 12 Speed with WTO 45 WHELLS
It's called Extra complexity. It's not needed if it doesn't make our life better. Modern bike is a great example of extra complexity.
Partly it depends on where you are, and what you use the bike for. I'm a bicycle commuter in Seattle. When I had to use rim brakes, I would only get three years out of a front rim before I had to lace a new rim in because the old one was ground down to where it was unsafe. Using rim brakes in the rain generates lots of oxidized aluminum goo that gets all over the tire, all over the bike, and all over your hands and clothes when you have to fix a flat.
My road bike is a 2016 CAAD 12, and after seven years and 7,500 miles (I'm mostly a commuter rider), I've never needed to bleed the brakes.
Changing internal brifter cables is definitely a major pain! I built my (disc brake) commuter bike with external cables, and I'm using the SunTour bar end shifters I've had on various bikes since the 70's, and with over 150,000 miles on them, they still work great. I doubt any brifter will ever achieve that.
I too like discs on my commuter bikes and anything that goes off road. I have spent time commuting around Seattle. I know of the nasty gunk you speak of.
yes both of you guys are smart and wise!! Simple!!
That was a surprise. I saw a rebuttal by the Zero Friction guy and he cast some negative thoughts regarding the credibility of Durianrider. So, I began to think he was maybe full of you know what. Your video returns some of my respect for Durianrider. I've got an old 21 speed bike with aluminum rims and rim brakes. I guess I will keep riding it and see if the bike manufacturers begin to offer simplified bikes that enable owners to continue to do their own work. if not, I'll just get another old bike.
‘Rebuttal’ 😅
My lawyer said I should try take his house away as the level of defamation was clear and malicious’.
The dude sells people $350 waxed chains and lies to his audience lol. The dude isn’t even fast. I’ve dropped him every time we hit hills hard.
He didn’t even dare to debate my technical points and instead just tried to slander me. The dude needs help lol.
He claims to be a professional yet look at the thumbnail click bait he used lol. He exposed himself. His backyard data isn’t accurate at all and he is a racist and a lair.
His products he flogs are carcinogenic and over priced. Dude needs to learn some integrity and apology to Hambini is due.
Yea I didnt know what kind of burr Durian had in his arse all the time. But he should let it go because the bike industry has a whole bunch of young folks that believe all the hype about new tech because the never rode older bikes. You are exactly right about the old bike weights and ease to work on. People say weight does not matter but if you ride side by side comparisons you can tell especially when its a wheel set. And Im a mountain biker so what the hell do I know.
It’s a typical industry drive, out with the old In with the new 😂 your right cheers from Oz 🇦🇺
Thanks James
I was looking for a new bike. Instead of buying new I bought a 2014 Argon 18 and modernized a lot of the components. There have been issues with it but I have managed to fix just about everything myself. The bike doesn’t hold me back and that’s the biggest thing.
Changing disc brake pads is a relatively simple. I have being using a modern bike for 3 years with no problem. As an older rider with arthritic wrists my SRAM wireless gear changing is a life saver. Agree for most to bleed the hydraulic brakes requires a bike shop but other than that the rest of maintaining the bike is no different than the older bikes.
well partially agree, I have rim and disc brake bike.. I really dont care about the difference in braking. The biggest selling point of the disc brake is the capability of riding wider tires. The condition of the roads i ride are far from perfect and the pleasure of riding 25mm wide rims at 50 pounds makes the whole difference in the world that no rim brake bike will ever give you.. even running tubeless on rim.
Great video! Need more people who speak out for rim brakes. Disc is great and I use both systems but I'll always love rim brakes more for road
Straight talk, and 100% correct. True road bikes are not especially fast or slow -- riders are. Many of today's road riders are being duped, while those of us who've been road riding for literally 40+ years know what works, and we're not being swayed by the hype. All of my road bikes have rim brakes, cable-operated shifters, and aluminum wheels, and none of them are newer than 2019 (that one's a custom Columbus Life bike from Italy with fully mechanical Campy and rim brakes). My oldest is a Vitus 888 Motobecane from 1980 with a 6-speed cluster and down tube shifters, and I can still go faster on that antique than most of the riders in my group can go on their brand new "super" bikes. To boot, I'm 63.
I think bike technology maxed out in the mid 2000s. I ride an 07 specialized Roubaix. It was 800$ with top level components. I didn’t buy it to impress others. Lightweight, reliable, fast.
the bike i ride the most is the bike i can maintain easily and not think about it. how ever my fastest bike is a modern disc brake road bike on the flats and up to 6 percent incline . as a training bike that i put the most km on i prefer rim brake. but for race day i take the new bike.
When I left school back in the early 80's I did five years working in a VW repair shop, I could pull and rebuild a VW motor for less than $800.00, these engines would create either 36hp or 40hp. Great cars, why did we all get sucked into this modern technology? I would hate to have to pay someone to rebuild an engine on a modern car because I certainly am not capable of doing it myself. But I'm definitely not driving around in a VW Beetle these days.
I bought the latest model TCR, with disc brakes but it still has external cables outside the head tube, perfect bike for me and added to the collection which includes rim and disc brakes, the weight difference between the TCR with discs and my lightest rim brake bike is equal to 3x gels in the pocket, but it is my bike of choice for sprint training. I do all my maintenance on my bikes myself, have been doing so since I was 12, it's not really difficult.
Run a 90 Cannondale 2.8 frame 62 cm. Last year of Superbe pro. and mix of Dura Ace dual pivot brakes (later upgrade). Plenty strong on downhills. MTN bike is a Klien Palamino running Disc... love it, much better than cantilever, but yest very expensive to replace. Commuter is old Nishiki mtb Cunningham, cantilever with upgrades, kept simple for roadside repair when bags... so i tend to target kind or riding and need for durability and simplicity of repairs vs mtb hardcore ride...I want strong brakes
Quite a collection of bikes! I really like the old Klein bicycles.
As the seventh guy that watched this i really enjoyed it. Good job!
Thanks for watching!
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If you are not following Durianrider, you are missing out.
This why I stick rim brakes it is oeasy to maintain.. i do not care about disc brakes ro complicated
My rim break carbon wheels have worn out after only two years. Buying a brand new rim break bike two years ago was a mistake. Aluminum wheels is not an option. They wear out too anyway. Durianrider is fine to great about a few things (veganism, environmental issues, carbs, value of older bikes) but out to lunch and weird about many others (weight loss, feminism, PED use, and Greg Doucette)
Greg Alcantara, Im from the Philippines, and also a member of Durianriders chanel, I agree 100% of what both of you say, that's my honest opinion.
Harley, he is out there man ,😂❤❤❤, but what he says about the mainstream bike industry is spot on ❤
DurianRider is still on RUclips? I wouldn’t know because I blocked him a decade ago. Sure there are cost/value advantages to AL and other metal bikes. And disc brakes squeal when out of alignment. But saying that older bikes are ‘better’? And as a justification for DR being ‘right’. Nah dude. Respect but DR just wants to create chaos….
He's the David Koresh of cycling lol...I was grimacing through one of his narcissistic videos when my missus came into the room,,she watched a minute of him and took an instant dislike...said he gave her the creeps...
There's so much to unpack here (I've been a bike mech for over twenty five years and when you talk about the consistent need for brake bleeds and 3-4 times longer cable replacements it makes me shake my head. Yeah it can take longer for internal cables but that's only on bikes that don't have internal routing. Most open mold generic chinese carbon bikes have internal routing. And the advantage of internal is protecting the cables?) but overall this thing with debating old vs new is so tired. It's a matter of preference, the major companies aren't going to keep making the same stuff, minor companies and builders integrate old tech with new, racing doesn't need to dictate what us mere mortal riders ride, Durian makes good points but he's a fudging nut case....etc. I ride old stuff, new stuff, rim, disc and at 47 I just really appreciate the options we have. Some of the old stuff is still good and some of it isn't. Some of it's garbage and we suffered bitd but of course it's what we had and we didn't know better. Also, I don't get this contradictory thing you do where you champion older bikes yet relish in making more money on newer bikes. Cringe.
Another guy is the bikefarmer on RUclips. He's pretty much on the same page and is an interesting channel usually.
I love that channel! Funny guy.
I'm South Australian, so tend to follow other South Australians on youtube, and the local cycling youtubers are a bit interesting.
Enjoyed this video , what a relief , someone apart from durianrider and possibly madpec cycles and hambini that are giving the customer unbiased information which is valuable for noobs like myself , I am 52 been cycling for 4 years , I also listen to durianrider for nutritional information , look forward to more of this type of content
Don't forget PeakTorque.
"Nutritional information"?? As in, eat tonnes of sugar, don't eat fat or animals and at 45 you too can look 75...😂😂😂
Disc brakes in the wet just work better for most people.
Sir / madam would you like wind up windows with your 2023 car?
We also have RDS radios AND you can forget cassettes. We have CD’s now.
People have a hard time coming to grips with the word infotainment taking over from radio. Things evolve.
I get the rim vs disc argument from all aspects and unless you’re doing it for weight (high end racer) or budget (low end pocket) then discs have to win the debate no?
One this is for sure, aesthetically, discs and internal routing / cockpit looks way more pleasing to the eye. Cooler.
Plus, bike shops need the work too guy. Help your local shop out!!!
Correct! I need the money.
It's mostly a boogeyman story mate. Three types are changing cables once a year.
A: The close to going pro.
B. The super active amateur riding many thousands of kilometres a year
C. The neurotic.
But whatta ya know? A bike with internal cables in most cases also has....yep, you guessed it, internal routing!
I agree 100percent with the presenter.
please bring the puppy back!
I'm sure the dogs will make an appearance sometime soon. Thanks for your time!
This same argument also apply to why some people buy lamborghini instead of toyota prius. The prius is so light, so fuel efficient and so easy to maintain, why buy a lambo? The truth is, people who own a lambo don't mind to wake up early Sunday morning and take their lambo out for a spin, where as the people who drive prius only take the car out when they need to go grocery shopping. Not to say who is right and who is wrong, i think the primarily objective of a bike is to inspire you to get out and ride and improve your fitness. For that matter, i rather spend the money on a bike that would inspire me to ride more and look forward to the next ride when i just finish one. Whether a 1990's bike inspire you more or the latest 2023 bike is entirely up to individual.
He used to rave on and on and on about drinking sugar. Saw one clip and blocked him from then on.
Durian is the king of cycling he always tells the truth and can help save you Money. I have a brand new giant Tcr with upgraded wheels and and tyres. The rim brake of course
Thanks durian rider
He can look at a bike and see a recall or fault in minutes
Most people (for some reason) don't understand they're not in the pro pelton. The pros get $30,000 bike given to them.If your just riding on public roads posting strava segments, don't bother.Save your cash.
Rim for the win IYKYK
Where I from, bike mechanic don't charge by the hour, they charge by the work they do. Which is crazy to think actually, a customer is supposed to pay for the hours spent by a mechanic to fix something up? What happens if the mechanic is a slow one? Or they purposely work slow? We are supposed to trust every mechanic? I guess this is a western thing, same as paying tips, customers are not supposed to do that, your employer should be paying their staff enough, that's the whole purpose of working.
Truth spoken! 👍🏻 Earned my sub 😃
Welcome aboard! Thanks for your time!
all fair points but still doesn't solve the problem of what happens when a consumer like me doesn't want to fuck around with buying some random second hand bike and wants to go new but forced to buy a ridiculously overpriced disc road bike. The only thing I can do is not become a cyclist because it just gets all to hard in the end which is what I feel now.
Very good point. To participate in the sport of cycling will cost you big money. 5K to start with a pro model bike which needs to be replaced every 4 to 5 years to keep up. This prices many people out of competitive riding. Cycling is a rich mans sport and that is just the way it is. You can still be a cyclist though. Just not a racer. This is one reason new bike tech is debated. Invest in a good quality bike that will last many years and just enjoy riding. Many people go this rout.
I disagree. I ride in the alps and disc brakes especially in the wet is a game changer. Of course Discs don’t wear out your rims. As a result of disc, larger tires makes the ride way more comfortable and your bike more versatile - you can even get up to 35mm tires on road bikes now so you can do off-road gravel. Take or leave the latest aero stuff but if you think cable-less sram is harder than fiddling around with steel cables and then reindexing all the time to compensate up for stretch then you’ve never done it. Marketing claims about aero is one thing but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water!
Of course he's correct, I don't always agree with everything he says, although he's spot on most of the time, modern bikes are needlessly over priced and engineered, I'd hazard a guess that the big bike brand designers aren't cyclists and are also paid too much, sure we all want innovation, but not at any cost.
The new stuff is too expensive for a toy.
Horses for courses. Been riding bikes since before Durian rider was born! I have ridden my Roubaix for nearly 10 years, love it. It has rim brakes, but moved to Di2 when my arthritis made it difficult to change gear especially in the wet (btw healed the arthritis using vegan diet). Earlier this year I did in fact upgrade my bike to a modern Scott Addict, Di2, Carbon tubeless tyres, and you know what? It's absolutely amazing. I can't wait to go out on it every day. It handles like a charm. Stiff, responsive, fast, and you feel confident racing down hills. Brakes are awesome. I ain't going back (Roubaix now winter bike though). Everyone is different, nothing suits all. I do my own maintenance too, it's not that difficult.
I just build my own now from eBay etc.... which saves me thousands...
Reckon I could buy a fabulous bike 2nd hand for about 750 quid.
Probably only 5 now after this video!
Thanks for watching!
New bikes are awesome but so so expensive. Maintenance and upkeep is ridiculous. They are also problematic needing more attention to maintainence and tuning.
Cheers I subbed and liked
True word! Thank you.
I commute like 200 miles a week on a steel track bike with steel components. Just get your legs stronger, lol.
Maybe there's more money in new style bikes for the industry but if less people are buying and cycling as a hobby then how much are you gaining really?
Shimano's electronic 12 speed group set and hydraulic disk break modulation is AWESOME.
WHAT banana girl???? i have to look 4 that...btw because he gets the views'''' and ya im one of those guys the follow him..and im also natty no juice...im like cookie man,,,lmaoooooo
Well the industry has already backtracked on the nonsense of a million different BBs and Press Fit somewhat, so who knows maybe we'll see some backtracking with new rim brake bikes. Which would be great as I wouldn't have to shop 2nd hand for my next bikethen. I bought a new 105 rim group the second Shimano dropped the rim brake from that group. I have owned a di2 bike tho and I would say although components are ridiculously expensive brand new, that it needs vritually no maintenance, so I'm not against all new tech at all.
Agreed that modern road bikes with internal cabling and disc brakes,electronics,also tubeless tyres are shit.
Retro grouch.?
KISS is king.
My most recent bike is 2012 and most date from the 90s so I can fix myself.
Hardtail mtb has discs which work,still not sorted for road and too heavy.Don't have gravel bike so maybe they are OK?
Hate planned obsolescence and redundancy in nearly everything now and the rediculous cost.
Bring back engineering and get rid of the marketing wanketeering.
Modern things I like
Hydrologic disc brakes
Quality carbon frame
Wide tires
Durian has a stack in a company that doesn’t make disc break frames. That is all. He has points for sure. Everyone who isn’t after the latest greatest can see this.
this is totally not true, the company he used to have make his frames don't even make rim brake frames anymore and he's not selling bikes right now. he buys old bikes off facebook marketplace and sells them
WHAT COMPANY DOESNT MAKE ROAD DISC??? 😂
The brands I’m sponsored by ALL do road disc. I just don’t recommend road disc if performance is what you want.
Veganism is about avoiding the unnecessary harm and exploitation of others.
I'm vegan and a rim brake loving cyclist 😊
sympathico! but the (number of words) / (info content) is too low. time flies!
But you are missing the most important point for a real cyclist when it comes to owning a bike: is it cool? That's it! A cool bike trumps anything else!
Ride old, ride new, ride disk breaks, ride rim breaks, ride aero, ride a commuter, ride whatever! Just ride! ( except, electric bikes, that's cheating... ha!)
Veganism is whatever but if we all cut out beef we would save much much more Co2 than all the bikes and electric cars in the world.
@ 00:54 put the pup down bud
He is the Jihadist type if he lives in the mid east.
Cute Ewok
I've been riding my alluminium Claude Butler San Remo for about 16 years now, downtube shifters, rim brakes, 14 gears, easy peasy and cheap as chips. As a 'warmshowers' host, I've hosted people doing crazy long trips on a 200 quid Decathlon bike or even better still, second hand road bikes from the 90s / early 2000s. I don't think there's anything wrong with bike manufacturers trying to milk people who have more money than sense but keep producing affordable stuff too. Otherwise, stock up on some old stuff while you can and you're sorted for life, because that old stuff lasts.
Abolish carbon
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old vs new? easier to work on but geometry and components are lame. Newer bikes have tapered headtubes, carbon wheels, better bottom bracket! im not sold on electronics and do you need disc brakes? well it depends on hilly rides and wet weather--- hell yes get disc brakes. tubeless tires! man come to the future. but you can also be selective on what you ride. i ride a trek madone 11 speed rim brake bike, that trek pilot is so 2003. there just is better stuff now. dont hate on the future. durrian rider is lame!
There are some good new tech things out there for sure. I just hope that the market will weed out the crap.
SO TOUR de FRANCE riders dont know the difference between a climbing bike? A time trial bike. Brakes are as good? Wheels are as strong? Don’t see any of this dated crap in pro racing. Bleeding brakes adding new rotors not rocket science. Steel frame is lighter than carbon fiber? I forgot, a vegan diet is all you really need, no really.
uhh
He’s a hypocrite but entertaining, just another way of making money, probably doesn’t believe what he preaches
Zzzzz .. will stick to watching Durianrider in future ..
But that Trek looks rubbish compare to more up to date bikes
Looks are subjective. Some people like seeing the cables.
Germs ??? He's doing something right, he always has hot girls around him. All I see around you is that little dog. He's cute but not the thing that is going to get clicks on your channel.
Thanks for clicking on my video!
I think durianrider has a good mentality towards women
Sorry, but if you trying to say that disc brakes are hard to maintain😂 and through axle, is somehow not good. It just showing how good mechanic you are. I'm maintaining my bicycle on my own, and i can see that you want to justify your poor servicing skills.
You talk TOO MUCH! I had to STOP the video within the first 2 mins due to your UNCONTROLLABLE RANTING.
Get to the POINT & MOVE on! 😮😮😮😢
Makes me even more annoyed I just missed out on a £150 bianchi pro xl with period dura ace 😡😤😤🤬
One of the things Durian Rider pushes is the financial aspects of getting into cycling. He shows us that there are beautiful high quality road bikes out there that will do the job for a tiny fraction of the cost of a contemporary bike. Good on ya Harley.
Thanks mate!
That is why the racist sell outs like ZFC and co try to cancel me. They never said a word about me until I started exposing their BS.
Myself, Hambini and co come under fire because we have big platforms and have the courage to speak up for the average rider. We stand against corporate bigotry and lies.
I like Durianrider videos minus the cursing. That's his chose to curse. I watched him since he started. I liked the content about cycling. I agree about vintage bikes being easier to buy and service, My newest bike is a 1992 Trek 8000 SLR and oldest is a 1984 Cannondale SR 300. I watch GCN ( global cycling network) now. No cursing, and plenty of content about old and new bikes, as well as the Park tool channel. I like riding bikes because it's fun and helps me appreciate living,
Greetings from Australia. I live in the same city as Durianrider and have met him in person a few times at my local parkrun and other running events (he is also a top notch runner although obviously he cycles far more and credits that for his fitness for running too without the high impact of running training). I'm a big cycling enthusiast particularly commuting by bike to work most days and social type rides or riding my MTB on trails. His videos are certainly entertaining. In real life he is easy to chat to and has given me some good pointers with regards to my own bike maintenance so he knows his stuff. He is always happy to chat about fitness, cycling and nutrition. Whilst I'm not vegan I can see it's merits and he is always happy to chat about that but isn't forceful about trying to promote it. Cool easy going guy from my experiences with him in real life.
Thanks for your insights and your time!
Right on! This is exactly why I keep buying bikes from 2014-2018.
You're wrong veganism would help the world hugely.
same here .. i don't get exited with these new bike tech gimmicks, it's all marketing .. my rimbrake t.i. lynskey works perfect for me all these years .. ❤🎉
Hey Mr. Morris,
veganism is not an answer to many problems but it's sure helps a lot. It changed my life for the better and 15+ yrs now into veg cult and so far I don't see any signs to get out.
I'm older than Harley and now observe many of my friends 50+ getting onto some expensive meds, cutting polyps from their a$$e$, removing stones, treating inflated lymph nodes, etc. etc.
I listen to their health stories and look at them like shrink looks at the patient.
I agree. I know quite a few folks who follow a vegan diet with much success. It is something that may help people with health issues. People need to do what works best for their bodies, and sometimes that means going vegan.
I suspect that almost vegan might be easier and healthier. But there is more to it. Ethical perspectives.
Yes, Durianrider is right about how cycling companies fleece ignorant consumers with fake marketing promises and increased complexity which translates to higher profit due to increased failures. Same with what the car industry is doing.
More parts = higher probability of failure. This translates to more profit for manufacturers.
If you look at a top end road bike from 1990, 2005….those bikes could and did go YEARS without major and in some cases any maintenance aside from tubes tires and MAYBE brake pads….you can not say that of modern bikes at all…..cost of entry and maintenance is also prohibitive…and dealing with scheduling maintenance at a bike shop…..no thanks
Truth!
Old bikes are so easy to play with.