I’m going to do my rockers and cab corners with the 3M adhesive. I am going to rivet the panels like you did. Use bono for the edges and grind down the rivet heads down enough and bondo them as well then prime and paint. But before I do all of that I will be painting the rust/ rot areas with a metal rust inhibitor first.
Sure eliminates a bunch of welding! I like the idea of gluing the spot weal flanges since they will be sealed and not wick water. I've used self drilling, self tapping, washer head screw on flanges and laps which pull the pieces together nicely - then when all installed remove one at a time and pop-rivet if desired or a visible area.
Love how that stuff can adhere aluminum to steel panels ( my inner rocker panels are made of an old diamond plate tool box ) stuck like glue ... understatement of all time.
It's a godsend for Smyth Ute conversions, mine actually has a stiffer chassis because of it's use instead of the rivets supplied with the kit. Haha modern technology,you can actually weld aluminum to steel now 😀
I am a decent mechanic but just want to get into auto body to fix an old truck of mine for the heck of it. I was astonished when I went to the local body man that he told me glues almost everything he does. Apparently it works!
What a great video, Jerry! I did a search and when I seen your video pop up, I knew I should look no further! Great explanation and step by step instructions. I will be doing this before the snow flys, I hope. Thanks again!
I used screws on my cab corners but removed after the adhesive dried and covered with waterproof filler. Matter of fact the factory only had a couple spot welds and adhesive. I welded the rockers. I think next time I may tack and use panel bond. It is very strong, and in areas like my Silverado corners, I didn’t want to start the cab on fire.
I just built a Smyth Ute from a Jetta. Using panelbond with the kit just made the chassis so much more solid, now when I jack the left front up to change the tire ,the right side follows, and is only like 1-2" from what the left side height is. No more dragging the jack from side to side to change tires 😂
I wish I had I actually caught my cab on fire on my f250 I punched thru before I could get it out lost my seat belt inner panel an corner of seat think God its my work truck I'll just pull out back seat it's always full of tools anyway I dud my cab corners live an learn
Where is the previous video showing removing the welds, separating the rusty rocker and fixing up the inner panel? How many videos in all for this repair? Your videos are very informative and absolutely great! I hate loud annoying music and people pretending to know what their talking about and instead just passing on misinformation and wasting my time. Your videos are nothing like that. Thank you very much!
I appreciate that T.E. - Here's every video on this truck: ruclips.net/p/PLOP9eoG14-I_5orQdo3G4zEQPXmCkaK4K & here's the previous video to this one - ruclips.net/video/NmsCrQ-7L0U/видео.html Finally, this is the other side but welded - it may help you out too - ruclips.net/video/U67IHaurCaM/видео.html
Howie ya got this how it's done been doing this over 40 years lot of changes to this work and ya know what your good teacher should be able to do this in your sleep this for Showing us so we can understand why it costs hrs and time the better we get more money for the right tools to be proud in our work l salute you so from Canada 🇨🇦 SK later l,m doing 2004 extended cab the same lot of work but l got this this again Paul keep it up we're old school workers be proud we're dying off our generation 😊😊
Amazing adhesive technology - used in new construction in autos and aircraft too.Just like Brylcream - a little dab will do ya! Jerry will save your ride!
I've been considering using this or a similar product to cover the sunroof opening in my car. Would be nice not to have to gut the interior to protect everything from weld sparks.
NIce video mate, will help me with my VW bus repair. Recently got a rivet attachment for my drill/driver and it works really well and was not expensive.
That sounds like a cool tool. You can use 1/8" sheet metal screws instead - if you feel they will work better for you - you actually don't really need to fill those holes - just tap the seam down and fill :)
Is this becoming the new normal, for body shops? What do you feel are the biggest advantages of this method? I no longer have a welder and was planning on repurchasing one for my project truck. I had no idea this product even existed. Great work, thanks for posting this
You're welcome. I've stopped at a few shops after retiring to see what's going on. I welded most of my career but many are now using glues because of the water proof seam. I do think it is a bit more challenging than welding a patch but I feel that the water tight seam is probably the way to go for maximum longevity :)
I would have to say using glue is a much faster process safer hell no! Shops use to glue and have gotten away from this method because of the liability that comes with it! Your own project sure but it will fail at the seams why not just use seam sealer and not even fill the seams if your going rogue
First-time viewer, now a subscriber. Thanks for showing us how to take care of rusty rocker panels without welding equipment. Your lighting, explanations, and demonstration of work were very good. I've seen some people on RUclips advocating the use of expanding foam inside the rocker panels. Would that be something to do to prevent rust from reoccurring or is it unnecessary?
Absolutely not necessary and blocks drainage. Ford tried that on Ranger quarter panels and it trapped moisture and thus rotted out the panels. Drainage and a squirt of oil at the bottom of the panel works the best - see video - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html
excellent video & workmanship, I don't have the 2 tube chaulk gun can I substitute your glue w/ 3m 5200 I use it on marine stuff and it's extremely strong. I was planning on fabbing my own panel out of alimiun buy hand forming. one rocker is a only 1/3 rusted other rocker is completely rotton.
I really don't see why you couldn't. I glued in a whole van floor with metal roof adhesive and self tappers and once cured it wasn't going anywhere. Have a good weekend Steve :)
I noticed you were using aluminum rivets, don't you worry about the two different metals reacting with each other especially in a area where they use salt on the roads?
I'm not worried at all because of these factors. 1) They are now buried or incased in glue and will not "see" moisture. 2) I will treat the rust repair after painting so that you'll never have to worry about salt on the roads. See this video for more on that process - ruclips.net/video/y05dNxt-nVc/видео.html Hope that helps answer your ?s a bit - Jerry
If it was my truck, I would probably glue all rust repair simply because of the water tight seams. Certainly though there will be times that your only choice. Thanks for watching Robert - have a good weekend :)
I might have to do my inner rockers never done anything like this before but I am mechanically inclined and know my way around tools. But my question is can you do the inner rockers the same way with the adhesive and rivets? I don’t own a welder nor have welding experience.
Yes. Glue and rivets will work fine. You are only limited by your own imagination. Of course when it comes to frame work, or structural components, you'll want to weld. BTW you can learn to weld in 1 minute and a good gas mig welder is around 200 bucks - I'm in the middle of doing a review on one that will be around 150 :) Here's how easy it is...ruclips.net/video/1BYqLM_mY1s/видео.html
I've done that too. Actually had a van that I just cut out all the rust and left the holes (painted them though). It stayed that way for 10+ years 'cause there was no place for the moisture, debris, mud and salt to settle. Give the water a way out and you're gold 🛠
@@kittydaddy2023 You can do it - that's just the facts. You're first attempt may be a bit rough but after that you'll know what to do better the next time :)
I know they aircraft sheet metal on airliners. Heard a rumor the stuff can take 2500lbsper square inch and takes HIGH heat to break it free. Gotta be con firmed though. Pretty sure cars woud at least be partially glued
I have facing a similar job. I was wondering about adherence over paint. On the other hand, with your method, you have bare metal exposed to the moisture inside the rocker. What is the solution?
Never worry about bare metal inside - honestly. What causes rust on vehicles is the inability to dry out inside. If you make sure the panels can drain and dry out inside you'll never have problems :) Check this vid out for longevity - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/idrLzsz2eLg/видео.html
I just ordered a slip on rocker panel for my 2011 Chevy Cruze, and I noticed in the product description that the metal is zinc galvanized. Upon further research online, I read that a lot of primers will not stick to galvanized metal. Is there any sort of primers you could recommend that will adhere to galvanized?
It'll stick. Just DA sand it with 120 grit. Used epoxy primer first if you are really concerned. Used to do it all the time at body shops. Many Dodge vans and other vehicles had galvanized rockers, panels, etc. Never had an issue and we used lacquer primer or polyester primer (feather fill).
You have plenty of time - like 2-3 hours. I used 3/16" x 3/8" - 3/8 is the length of the rivet. There's no worries at all about the stuff hardening up on you. It will take overnight for it to set up and allow you to continue working on the vehicle.
I have a 2011 Crown Victoria police interceptor with 13 antenna holes one is 2" the rest are 3/4", 9 in roof 4 in trunk is the glued sheet metal permanent or is welding in plugs better I really don't want to weld . THANKS
Glued sheet metal is permanent and in my opinion superior to any other method due to the water tight seam. Sometimes you have to weld though so it's always good and never too late to learn :)
Thank you very much Sir. Since i'm in Québec, i will order full rocker locally. I already received the glue gun and will be buying SEM glue and rocker.
After you finish the body work and paint it you're still probably going to have a ghost line come through where that seam was do you have that problem with that doing it this way
Yes it is made to torque and tweak - you will not be able to break these two panels apart once the glue sets. Welding still might be stronger but this really tough stuff - factories glue door panels and all sorts of stuff now :)
Here's a video that may help - ruclips.net/video/2vEPQimW564/видео.html & these - ruclips.net/video/6RuoEhUZP9U/видео.html this is welding it in place - ruclips.net/video/Q3NMsZq09Uc/видео.html
It's still fine - one of my friends trucks. I'll do a follow up video on that - good idea. You can rest assured that it'll last as long as we're here on earth :)
12:00 curious about what my autobody buddyvtold me ,and thats to be careful because panelbond can "ghost" thru paint and it can be hard to seal? Will filler seal it?
A lot of folks make the mistake of trying to avoid filler. Filler is a great buffer between the seam and the finish. Knock the seam down, fill, prime, paint - no problems. Here's a follow up video on this repair 3 years later - zero ghosting - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html
I’ve got an 2010 F150 crew cab. Need cab corners and rockers. Would this process work for both? Are these different panels that can be glued on, or is it just a different process with same new replacement parts? Great video!!
As long as you have a pinch weld at the top & bottom of the rocker (inner panel spot welded to outer) you can do it because the ends are lapped or can be lapped. Here's a video or two on more gluing - ruclips.net/video/wRl1QfkrBeY/видео.html here's a follow up on repairs like this - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html Heck, after they are glued on it looks a ton better w/o even filling, priming and painting :)
I have never had a problem. You can leave the rivets out if you want. Just tap those holes down and fill with fiberglass reinforced filler first for waterproof filler. Then use your regular filler to finish up. I glue the rivets it so that's probably why there's no issues. Here's the follow up video on this repair - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html I appreciate the support TI - have a good Easter :)
I don't - sorry. Most rocker panels are very very similar though. I looked that rocker replacement up and it looks like you can glue around the whole perimeter. raybuck.com/product/1992-12-ford-van-front-oem-rocker-panel-driver-side/?gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0nyrpJj__
Aluminum. They will not have an adverse effect though 'cause they will never see moisture. You can take them out actually too if concerned - the holes will not cause issues. Thanks for watching :)
Prices vary greatly from shop to shop so it's good to check around. I flip cars and truck or fix clean title repairable vehicles so I can't give you an accurate estimate but I'd say anything from 500 - 1000 per side.
Here's one way to think about it.... If your rockers are already gone - like rusted - gone, would it be better to have something there or nothing. I would not be afraid to use it for unibody myself but you'll probably hear some negative stuff from others. If you're really uncertain weld them in or have them welded in - hope that helps a bit :)
Is this a structural rocker panel that you normally weld on or or a slip on rocker panel like the one at raybucks website. i.e. part # 0864-105 or is it part# 0864-107.@@LakesideAutobody
Absolutely. You could easily screw and glue it. I once screwed and glued an entire full size van floor in with panel adhesive because I didn't want to mess up the galvanized steel when welding it. Worked just fine - very strong :)
Good day sir and thank you, I've learned a ton from your videos. You've inspired the confidence in me to want to give this a go on my F150. A couple questions for you as I gather the tools and materials. On a 4 door supercrew will it require one each of the SEM 39757 per side? Also does the SEM come w the applicator gun? I found the SEM at a few sites but not finding the applicator/mixing gun. Thank you for any advice.
You'll need a gun like this - www.amazon.com/JES-Innovations-200-Component-Cartridge/dp/B07DFW75MN/ref=pd_lpo_sccl_3/146-7586400-7150432?pd_rd_w=mO6wx&content-id=amzn1.sym.116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_p=116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_r=DXA2FYDTNF4FQJWZRZ0V&pd_rd_wg=965pU&pd_rd_r=0cab0952-c6d6-4b28-91af-4fc1dcfbb11f&pd_rd_i=B07DFW75MN&th=1
Yes - you can do that or just squirt some used motor oil in there and let it creep around to coat all the nooks and crannies like this - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html
In my opinion there are many methods better than butt welding. The reason? No one can guarantee that their weld or welds are water proof. On top of that they are claiming that they metal finish. That means there are pin holes right under the finish waiting for rust to bubble the paint. A glued seam is water tight guaranteed - it will last as long as a new panel. As for the rivets - you really don't need them. Moisture will never hang around that area. It will continue down the panel till it reaches the bottom. Make sure you provide for drainage so that the bottom of the panel can drain and stay dry.
@@LakesideAutobody does the glue block the drain channels at the bottom of the rocker? I think I see some people wedging a drill bit in there while spot welding to leave a gap for the water to drain. Do you just not apply the glue to that raised area?
@@jerryp2433 No glue in the raised areas, leave a gap - especially at the ends of the rocker, or drill your own drain holes. No drainage = rust/rot. Good thinking Jerry
@@LakesideAutobody I just bought an Eastwood 90 mig welder for $200 for my MGB...Now I'm considering doing the outer rockers using panel bonding. It just seems more rust proof than spot welds. Also heard it was stronger.
@@jerryp2433 To be honest MIG welding would probably be easier if you are decent at MIG welding but you're right you'll never have to worry about the seems if you glue it. Something to think about I guess - that's the fun of it 😊
A low estimate for rocker panel rep (1 side) would be around 500. This particular truck has an integrated rocker panel - the cab corner is part of the rocker.
@@LakesideAutobody what about a 2002 jeep liberty both my rockers are rusted through and taped up I got it used this guy got me it from his buddy after waiting months after giving him my other jeep and that's my Main focus right now the rockers so how much would it cost to replace my rockers labor and parts included?
@@zacharysmith737 Prices for rocker replacement vary greatly from shop to shop - and it's hard to find any shop that does it still. Anyway the rocker panel would coast around 75 and labor could be anything from 500-1000 plus any other materials and paint. Jerry
@@LakesideAutobody thanks yeah my dad said he dont think there's anyone around where we live that would do it plus I'd figured it wouldn't be cheap so I priced welding machines and the mask the rods some paint etc that I'd need way cheaper that way plus I'll learn how to weld ive already started watching videos on it specifically mostly hiw to replace or repair the rocker panels on my particular vehicle i kniw it's a big job but I think it'll he good to learn to do it myself itd save me a huge amount of money plus it's a good skill to have.
Not at all. Drainage of a panel is key and if you want to see how to protect any panel from further rust new or old check out this video - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html
Here's one thing I was using on the air hammer - shop.snapon.com/product/Slitting-Chisels/Air-Hammer-Slitting-Chisel/PHG61B and here's another tool used - www.harborfreight.com/1-4-quarter-inch-rear-exhaust-air-die-grinder-52847.html with this cut off wheel - www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/grinding-cutting-wheels/cut-off-wheels/3-in-x-116-in-x-38-in-metal-cut-off-wheels-10-pk-61354.html
@@kevinarcher7701 You're welcome Kevin - that tool is one of the most handy bits for the air hammer - make sure you get a good name brand one so it can take a beating :)
Prices vary greatly from shop to shop - average is anything from 500-1000 per side and I'm thinking today it's probably more. I actually never did the estimates where I worked - was a body man. Now that I'm retired, I just take on work around town to make videos - once again, I'm not writing estimates :)
No matter the method, you always do top-notch work! Thanks for sharing your knowledge! I have learned a lot on your channel.
I appreciate that my friend - have a good weekend :)
I’m going to do my rockers and cab corners with the 3M adhesive. I am going to rivet the panels like you did. Use bono for the edges and grind down the rivet heads down enough and bondo them as well then prime and paint. But before I do all of that I will be painting the rust/ rot areas with a metal rust inhibitor first.
as usual great job,you don't know how to do bad work. you are a professional to the highest standard of the word.
Thanks a lot David - I appreciate the kind words. Have a good week :)
Sure eliminates a bunch of welding!
I like the idea of gluing the spot weal flanges since they will be sealed and not wick water.
I've used self drilling, self tapping, washer head screw on flanges and laps which pull the pieces together nicely - then when all installed remove one at a time and pop-rivet if desired or a visible area.
Love how that stuff can adhere aluminum to steel panels ( my inner rocker panels are made of an old diamond plate tool box ) stuck like glue ... understatement of all time.
It's a godsend for Smyth Ute conversions, mine actually has a stiffer chassis because of it's use instead of the rivets supplied with the kit.
Haha modern technology,you can actually weld aluminum to steel now 😀
I am a decent mechanic but just want to get into auto body to fix an old truck of mine for the heck of it. I was astonished when I went to the local body man that he told me glues almost everything he does. Apparently it works!
This truck has a JB Welded drivers cab corner - ruclips.net/video/idrLzsz2eLg/видео.html It works very well actually :)
What a great video, Jerry! I did a search and when I seen your video pop up, I knew I should look no further! Great explanation and step by step instructions. I will be doing this before the snow flys, I hope. Thanks again!
You're welcome Uncle Mark. Let me know how it goes 😊
I used screws on my cab corners but removed after the adhesive dried and covered with waterproof filler. Matter of fact the factory only had a couple spot welds and adhesive. I welded the rockers. I think next time I may tack and use panel bond. It is very strong, and in areas like my Silverado corners, I didn’t want to start the cab on fire.
That happened to one of my trucks. Caught the interior on fire. I still remember the call I received.
I just built a Smyth Ute from a Jetta.
Using panelbond with the kit just made the chassis so much more solid, now when I jack the left front up to change the tire ,the right side follows, and is only like 1-2" from what the left side height is.
No more dragging the jack from side to side to change tires 😂
I wish I had I actually caught my cab on fire on my f250 I punched thru before I could get it out lost my seat belt inner panel an corner of seat think God its my work truck I'll just pull out back seat it's always full of tools anyway I dud my cab corners live an learn
I used both glue and welds when i do bedsides and quarter panels,the new adhesives are really good nowadays.
your videos are incredibly helpful. I love how you show every step. keep 'em coming!
Thanks Robert - I appreciate the support - have a great week :)
Always amazed at how thin the mating surfaces are. Beautiful though. No welding or distortion.
This might work on my Jeep. Thanks.
Where is the previous video showing removing the welds, separating the rusty rocker and fixing up the inner panel? How many videos in all for this repair?
Your videos are very informative and absolutely great! I hate loud annoying music and people pretending to know what their talking about and instead just passing on misinformation and wasting my time. Your videos are nothing like that. Thank you very much!
I appreciate that T.E. - Here's every video on this truck: ruclips.net/p/PLOP9eoG14-I_5orQdo3G4zEQPXmCkaK4K & here's the previous video to this one - ruclips.net/video/NmsCrQ-7L0U/видео.html Finally, this is the other side but welded - it may help you out too - ruclips.net/video/U67IHaurCaM/видео.html
Thanks Jerry for the confidence on glueing my floor pans down , you do great work !
Let me know how it goes for you. Have a good weekend and thanks for the support :)
Howie ya got this how it's done been doing this over 40 years lot of changes to this work and ya know what your good teacher should be able to do this in your sleep this for Showing us so we can understand why it costs hrs and time the better we get more money for the right tools to be proud in our work l salute you so from Canada 🇨🇦 SK later l,m doing 2004 extended cab the same lot of work but l got this this again Paul keep it up we're old school workers be proud we're dying off our generation 😊😊
Thanks for the kind words JM - take care and good luck with your 04 - let me know how it goes :)
Amazing adhesive technology - used in new construction in autos and aircraft too.Just like Brylcream - a little dab will do ya! Jerry will save your ride!
Thanks for the support Bruce - haven't seen or heard of that stuff in a while :)
I've been considering using this or a similar product to cover the sunroof opening in my car. Would be nice not to have to gut the interior to protect everything from weld sparks.
Thanks for the video, it gives me options to welding and grinding. Also I love the finger painting, I thought I was the only one to do that.
You're welcome. Have a good weekend :)
Nice option indeed. Thanks for sharing your time and talent. Have a great weekend.
You're welcome - you have a good weekend to my friend :)
Beautiful work as always. You make it look easy.
Thanks David - have a good week :)
NIce video mate, will help me with my VW bus repair. Recently got a rivet attachment for my drill/driver and it works really well and was not expensive.
That sounds like a cool tool. You can use 1/8" sheet metal screws instead - if you feel they will work better for you - you actually don't really need to fill those holes - just tap the seam down and fill :)
that's how I did mine........love the tutorial..thanks.
Happy 🦃🏈😊
This is excellent work. Great job Jerry
nice job . wheni built my camper i boughtt a air riveter it really saved my hands
That would be easier for sure :)
Bought a pneumatic pop rivet gun. Best investment !
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Great video with detailed steps... easy to follow!
Looks great hard to imagine glue that strong🤠👍
Here it is a few years later if interested - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html
Excellent, no BS video. Thanks!
You're welcome :)
Well done Bud!! Excellent repair!!☻
Thanks for the video's glad I found your channel. I am considering trying some similar work on my 2000 silverado and my 04 f250.
You're welcome. Let me know if you have questions. I answer once or twice a day. Jerry
That makes a really fine repair.
Dang nice job. I wished i lived in your neck of the woods, my truck would be looking pretty sweet.
Thanks Douglas - have a good week :)
@@LakesideAutobody you have a good week as well. I didn't notice what state are you in.
@@douglasdailey5998 Michigan - used to live just east of Detroit :)
I was considering doing this but honestly welding seems so much easier.
Welding is much easier but this gives you a 100% water tight seam (if you're concerned with that 😊)
I was just thinking about glueing panels. U read my mind! Good video, Thanks!
Good thinking Dave. Have a good weekend :)
Great video! If you were to do another one, some more detail of how to cut out the old panel to fit the new one could be helpful.
Here's another - If you need more let me know, I'll send more 😊 ruclips.net/video/U67IHaurCaM/видео.html
Thank you, Jerry. Another great informative video.
You're welcome Marty :)
Beautiful piece of work sir! Thank you
You're welcome :)
Excellent work! Thank you Jerry!
Is this becoming the new normal, for body shops? What do you feel are the biggest advantages of this method? I no longer have a welder and was planning on repurchasing one for my project truck. I had no idea this product even existed.
Great work, thanks for posting this
You're welcome. I've stopped at a few shops after retiring to see what's going on. I welded most of my career but many are now using glues because of the water proof seam. I do think it is a bit more challenging than welding a patch but I feel that the water tight seam is probably the way to go for maximum longevity :)
I would have to say using glue is a much faster process safer hell no! Shops use to glue and have gotten away from this method because of the liability that comes with it! Your own project sure but it will fail at the seams why not just use seam sealer and not even fill the seams if your going rogue
First-time viewer, now a subscriber. Thanks for showing us how to take care of rusty rocker panels without welding equipment. Your lighting, explanations, and demonstration of work were very good. I've seen some people on RUclips advocating the use of expanding foam inside the rocker panels. Would that be something to do to prevent rust from reoccurring or is it unnecessary?
Absolutely not necessary and blocks drainage. Ford tried that on Ranger quarter panels and it trapped moisture and thus rotted out the panels. Drainage and a squirt of oil at the bottom of the panel works the best - see video - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html
excellent video & workmanship, I don't have the 2 tube chaulk gun can I substitute your glue w/ 3m 5200 I use it on marine stuff and it's extremely strong. I was planning on fabbing my own panel out of alimiun buy hand forming. one rocker is a only 1/3 rusted other rocker is completely rotton.
I really don't see why you couldn't. I glued in a whole van floor with metal roof adhesive and self tappers and once cured it wasn't going anywhere. Have a good weekend Steve :)
I noticed you were using aluminum rivets, don't you worry about the two different metals reacting with each other especially in a area where they use salt on the roads?
I'm not worried at all because of these factors. 1) They are now buried or incased in glue and will not "see" moisture. 2) I will treat the rust repair after painting so that you'll never have to worry about salt on the roads. See this video for more on that process - ruclips.net/video/y05dNxt-nVc/видео.html Hope that helps answer your ?s a bit - Jerry
Another awesome video! Thanks! 👍
You're welcome RJB - have a good week :)
Bulk jb weld?. Great repair. Wish u were my neighbor..
Thats amazing. Bonding technology has come a long way. Would this be your first choice method or would you stick to familiar welding option?
If it was my truck, I would probably glue all rust repair simply because of the water tight seams. Certainly though there will be times that your only choice. Thanks for watching Robert - have a good weekend :)
Great video there is a reason body work is so expensive
You're right about that materials are $ and labor is $ :)
Your skills are amazing just saying ty for showing this
You're welcome Chris - glad you like these videos. Enjoy the week my friend :)
I might have to do my inner rockers never done anything like this before but I am mechanically inclined and know my way around tools. But my question is can you do the inner rockers the same way with the adhesive and rivets? I don’t own a welder nor have welding experience.
Yes. Glue and rivets will work fine. You are only limited by your own imagination. Of course when it comes to frame work, or structural components, you'll want to weld. BTW you can learn to weld in 1 minute and a good gas mig welder is around 200 bucks - I'm in the middle of doing a review on one that will be around 150 :) Here's how easy it is...ruclips.net/video/1BYqLM_mY1s/видео.html
Looks great your work is awesome.
Thanks Buchanan Sleeve - I appreciate the support :)
I wish i seen this a year ago,i went and did the quick covers instead.
Seems better than riveting on a new floor pan
Nice work....
are we driving model cars that glue together
As always Jerry you do great job
I appreciate it Husky - have a great week :)
Thanks for the video. I would like to try this some time
You're welcome Steve - here for ?s if you need :)
Looks awesome! Would you be intetested in doing a Supercrew?
Thanks Jordan. Right now I am sort of backed up till the fall. Sorry :)
@@LakesideAutobody ok thank you!
Great video. I'm just going to live with the rust.
I've done that too. Actually had a van that I just cut out all the rust and left the holes (painted them though). It stayed that way for 10+ years 'cause there was no place for the moisture, debris, mud and salt to settle. Give the water a way out and you're gold 🛠
@@LakesideAutobody I'm going to keep watching the videos until I get up the courage to do it LOL
@@kittydaddy2023 You can do it - that's just the facts. You're first attempt may be a bit rough but after that you'll know what to do better the next time :)
@@LakesideAutobody it's always scary cutting on your DD
@@kittydaddy2023 Especially if the neighbors like to watch :)
Great job
Thanks - have a good weekend :)
nice tutorial, although this glue is pricey in my part of the world its still quicker and easier and no warping
You can even use JB WELD (original) - ruclips.net/video/wRl1QfkrBeY/видео.html
great job i bet this would outlast a welded in panel it seems the weld is the first place rust starts back
You're right - that is the weak link of a welded patch.
Great video, what is the special gun for the glue?
Thanks - it's called a Panel Bond Gun Gun or Panel Adhesive Gun - you can look them up on amazon or ebay :)
I prefer glue any day than to mess with welding. I don't have a welding machine and glue seems sufficient for that application
It holds up very well too - no worries at all - ruclips.net/video/idrLzsz2eLg/видео.html
I know they aircraft sheet metal on airliners. Heard a rumor the stuff can take 2500lbsper square inch and takes HIGH heat to break it free. Gotta be con firmed though. Pretty sure cars woud at least be partially glued
You're right - Boeing, Airbus, etc. use glue and rivets to connect the panels together.
I have facing a similar job. I was wondering about adherence over paint. On the other hand, with your method, you have bare metal exposed to the moisture inside the rocker. What is the solution?
Never worry about bare metal inside - honestly. What causes rust on vehicles is the inability to dry out inside. If you make sure the panels can drain and dry out inside you'll never have problems :) Check this vid out for longevity - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/idrLzsz2eLg/видео.html
Thanks
Nice
Turned out great.
Thanks Bill - have a good weekend my friend :)
I just ordered a slip on rocker panel for my 2011 Chevy Cruze, and I noticed in the product description that the metal is zinc galvanized. Upon further research online, I read that a lot of primers will not stick to galvanized metal. Is there any sort of primers you could recommend that will adhere to galvanized?
It'll stick. Just DA sand it with 120 grit. Used epoxy primer first if you are really concerned. Used to do it all the time at body shops. Many Dodge vans and other vehicles had galvanized rockers, panels, etc. Never had an issue and we used lacquer primer or polyester primer (feather fill).
@@LakesideAutobody Thanks a million. I was hoping there was a way to do it without having to buy an expensive primer.
How much working time do you have with the glue, and what size rivets are you using? Thanks!
You have plenty of time - like 2-3 hours. I used 3/16" x 3/8" - 3/8 is the length of the rivet. There's no worries at all about the stuff hardening up on you. It will take overnight for it to set up and allow you to continue working on the vehicle.
I have a 2011 Crown Victoria police interceptor with 13 antenna holes one is 2" the rest are 3/4", 9 in roof 4 in trunk is the glued sheet metal permanent or is welding in plugs better I really don't want to weld . THANKS
Glued sheet metal is permanent and in my opinion superior to any other method due to the water tight seam. Sometimes you have to weld though so it's always good and never too late to learn :)
@@LakesideAutobody thank you .
Great video Jerry thank you
You're welcome G M - have a good weekend :)
Pardon my ignorance, but, when glueing, do you use full rocker or slip on? I never done that before.
Thank you.
Full rocker. You can get these panels from places like millsupply.com or raybuck.com
You can also weld these in place if you prefer :)
Thank you very much Sir. Since i'm in Québec, i will order full rocker locally.
I already received the glue gun and will be buying SEM glue and rocker.
After you finish the body work and paint it you're still probably going to have a ghost line come through where that seam was do you have that problem with that doing it this way
Many body shops use glues for rust repair - you have to tap the seam down to eliminate any problems w/ gl's - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html
Impact means direct hit correct?
It's not designed for torque and tweek either right?😮
Yes it is made to torque and tweak - you will not be able to break these two panels apart once the glue sets. Welding still might be stronger but this really tough stuff - factories glue door panels and all sorts of stuff now :)
If you we’re doing squarebody rockers how would you use rivets or would u use self tappers and after it dries remove and fill w more panel bond?
Here's a video that may help - ruclips.net/video/2vEPQimW564/видео.html & these - ruclips.net/video/6RuoEhUZP9U/видео.html this is welding it in place - ruclips.net/video/Q3NMsZq09Uc/видео.html
Do you have longterm review for wheel arch install with glue.?
It's still fine - one of my friends trucks. I'll do a follow up video on that - good idea. You can rest assured that it'll last as long as we're here on earth :)
12:00 curious about what my autobody buddyvtold me ,and thats to be careful because panelbond can "ghost" thru paint and it can be hard to seal?
Will filler seal it?
A lot of folks make the mistake of trying to avoid filler. Filler is a great buffer between the seam and the finish. Knock the seam down, fill, prime, paint - no problems. Here's a follow up video on this repair 3 years later - zero ghosting - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html
I’ve got an 2010 F150 crew cab. Need cab corners and rockers. Would this process work for both? Are these different panels that can be glued on, or is it just a different process with same new replacement parts? Great video!!
As long as you have a pinch weld at the top & bottom of the rocker (inner panel spot welded to outer) you can do it because the ends are lapped or can be lapped. Here's a video or two on more gluing - ruclips.net/video/wRl1QfkrBeY/видео.html here's a follow up on repairs like this - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html Heck, after they are glued on it looks a ton better w/o even filling, priming and painting :)
@@LakesideAutobody thanks for the reply and added information. Sounds like your pretty booked up for work?
@@terrychristle1477 You're welcome Terry - I do have a lot going on right now but I'm focusing on slowing it down a bit :)
Love the content! Is there an issue with dissimilar metals? (Aluminum rivets against steel rocker parts).
I have never had a problem. You can leave the rivets out if you want. Just tap those holes down and fill with fiberglass reinforced filler first for waterproof filler. Then use your regular filler to finish up. I glue the rivets it so that's probably why there's no issues. Here's the follow up video on this repair - ruclips.net/video/gIS1Tbv7Kvw/видео.html I appreciate the support TI - have a good Easter :)
I’m thinking about glueing the rockers on me 2006 Ford e 250 do you have any videos of you doing vans
I don't - sorry. Most rocker panels are very very similar though. I looked that rocker replacement up and it looks like you can glue around the whole perimeter. raybuck.com/product/1992-12-ford-van-front-oem-rocker-panel-driver-side/?gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0nyrpJj__
You have a video removing the old rocker ?
Yes - ruclips.net/video/NmsCrQ-7L0U/видео.html
are you using aluminum or steel rivets? thank you
Aluminum. They will not have an adverse effect though 'cause they will never see moisture. You can take them out actually too if concerned - the holes will not cause issues. Thanks for watching :)
How much do you normally charge for job like this?
Prices vary greatly from shop to shop so it's good to check around. I flip cars and truck or fix clean title repairable vehicles so I can't give you an accurate estimate but I'd say anything from 500 - 1000 per side.
Would using the structural adhesive be suitable for a unibody rocker panel?
Here's one way to think about it.... If your rockers are already gone - like rusted - gone, would it be better to have something there or nothing. I would not be afraid to use it for unibody myself but you'll probably hear some negative stuff from others. If you're really uncertain weld them in or have them welded in - hope that helps a bit :)
I'm looking at the parts list for the tools but don't see a link to buy the rocker panel
Rockers can be bought at millsupply or raybucks
Is this a structural rocker panel that you normally weld on or or a slip on rocker panel like the one at raybucks website. i.e. part # 0864-105 or is it part# 0864-107.@@LakesideAutobody
I don't know if i missed it but how many tubes of the adhesive did you need for both sides?
I only did one side with the glue. The other side was welded. You will only need one tube though :)
I only did one side with the glue. The other side was welded. You will only need one tube though :)
You have just cost my body man friend some income. He's been monkeying around putting me off so I'll be trying it myself
That's great - actually most guys avoid rust repair so it's good to learn to do it yourself. I'm willing to bet you'll do a better job too :)
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I have a few spots in the floor I have to cut out and put in patch panels Would that glue work Instead of welding
Absolutely. You could easily screw and glue it. I once screwed and glued an entire full size van floor in with panel adhesive because I didn't want to mess up the galvanized steel when welding it. Worked just fine - very strong :)
@@LakesideAutobody OK thank you
You Do Great Work !
Thanks Joe - glad you liked it :)
Good day sir and thank you, I've learned a ton from your videos. You've inspired the confidence in me to want to give this a go on my F150. A couple questions for you as I gather the tools and materials. On a 4 door supercrew will it require one each of the SEM 39757 per side? Also does the SEM come w the applicator gun? I found the SEM at a few sites but not finding the applicator/mixing gun. Thank you for any advice.
You'll need a gun like this - www.amazon.com/JES-Innovations-200-Component-Cartridge/dp/B07DFW75MN/ref=pd_lpo_sccl_3/146-7586400-7150432?pd_rd_w=mO6wx&content-id=amzn1.sym.116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_p=116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_r=DXA2FYDTNF4FQJWZRZ0V&pd_rd_wg=965pU&pd_rd_r=0cab0952-c6d6-4b28-91af-4fc1dcfbb11f&pd_rd_i=B07DFW75MN&th=1
@@LakesideAutobodythank you for the info
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Coat the inside with wax?
Yes - you can do that or just squirt some used motor oil in there and let it creep around to coat all the nooks and crannies like this - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html
nice job😎
Thanks 😁
Is this better than butt welding for corrosion? Doesn't using rivets leave a place for rust to build behind the panel?
In my opinion there are many methods better than butt welding. The reason? No one can guarantee that their weld or welds are water proof. On top of that they are claiming that they metal finish. That means there are pin holes right under the finish waiting for rust to bubble the paint. A glued seam is water tight guaranteed - it will last as long as a new panel. As for the rivets - you really don't need them. Moisture will never hang around that area. It will continue down the panel till it reaches the bottom. Make sure you provide for drainage so that the bottom of the panel can drain and stay dry.
@@LakesideAutobody does the glue block the drain channels at the bottom of the rocker? I think I see some people wedging a drill bit in there while spot welding to leave a gap for the water to drain. Do you just not apply the glue to that raised area?
@@jerryp2433 No glue in the raised areas, leave a gap - especially at the ends of the rocker, or drill your own drain holes. No drainage = rust/rot. Good thinking Jerry
@@LakesideAutobody I just bought an Eastwood 90 mig welder for $200 for my MGB...Now I'm considering doing the outer rockers using panel bonding. It just seems more rust proof than spot welds. Also heard it was stronger.
@@jerryp2433 To be honest MIG welding would probably be easier if you are decent at MIG welding but you're right you'll never have to worry about the seems if you glue it. Something to think about I guess - that's the fun of it 😊
Any reason why you didn't take off the doors?
No - you can take the doors off if you want. I like to keep them on so I can make sure the gap is right at the bottom and sides also.
What is the name of the glue did u use
SEM Structural Impact Resistant Adhesive - Part Number 39757 All tools and materials is listed under the video description :)
I know with different shops prices vary, but how much should i expect to pay if i was to get rocker panels and cab corners replaced?
A low estimate for rocker panel rep (1 side) would be around 500. This particular truck has an integrated rocker panel - the cab corner is part of the rocker.
@@LakesideAutobody what about a 2002 jeep liberty both my rockers are rusted through and taped up I got it used this guy got me it from his buddy after waiting months after giving him my other jeep and that's my Main focus right now the rockers so how much would it cost to replace my rockers labor and parts included?
@@zacharysmith737 Prices for rocker replacement vary greatly from shop to shop - and it's hard to find any shop that does it still. Anyway the rocker panel would coast around 75 and labor could be anything from 500-1000 plus any other materials and paint. Jerry
@@LakesideAutobody thanks yeah my dad said he dont think there's anyone around where we live that would do it plus I'd figured it wouldn't be cheap so I priced welding machines and the mask the rods some paint etc that I'd need way cheaper that way plus I'll learn how to weld ive already started watching videos on it specifically mostly hiw to replace or repair the rocker panels on my particular vehicle i kniw it's a big job but I think it'll he good to learn to do it myself itd save me a huge amount of money plus it's a good skill to have.
@@zacharysmith737 It's a very good skill to have. You use that skill for the rest of your life - it may make you a lot of $ in addition :)
How much does a job like this cost? Just out of curiosity.
Prices vary greatly from shop to shop. $500 would be a low estimate for one side.
Aren't you worried about all the bare metal left in there accelerating the rusting process?
Not at all. Drainage of a panel is key and if you want to see how to protect any panel from further rust new or old check out this video - ruclips.net/video/8XaZBy7GC7A/видео.html
What tool are you using to cut that metal with.
Here's one thing I was using on the air hammer - shop.snapon.com/product/Slitting-Chisels/Air-Hammer-Slitting-Chisel/PHG61B and here's another tool used - www.harborfreight.com/1-4-quarter-inch-rear-exhaust-air-die-grinder-52847.html with this cut off wheel - www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/grinding-cutting-wheels/cut-off-wheels/3-in-x-116-in-x-38-in-metal-cut-off-wheels-10-pk-61354.html
@@LakesideAutobody sorry I should have been more precise. It was the first tool. Thanks for taking the time to answer.
@@kevinarcher7701 You're welcome Kevin - that tool is one of the most handy bits for the air hammer - make sure you get a good name brand one so it can take a beating :)
How much would you charge someone for something like this?
Prices vary greatly from shop to shop - average is anything from 500-1000 per side and I'm thinking today it's probably more. I actually never did the estimates where I worked - was a body man. Now that I'm retired, I just take on work around town to make videos - once again, I'm not writing estimates :)