Royal Marines - Anonymous Warfare - Latvian Riflemen I OUT OF THE TRENCHES
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Time for another exiting episode of Out Of The Trenches where Indy (and this time also Flo) answer your questions about the First World War.
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Hastings, Max. Catastrophe 1914. Europe Goes To War, Knopf, 2013.
Hirschfeld, Gerhard. Enzyklopädie Erster Weltkrieg, Schöningh Paderborn, 2004
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I'd swear that something was different with this episode, but I just can't quite put my finger on it....
Indy changed his hair, Maybe?
Yeah i think too
Mr. Quarters I think it's the shirt
Yeah i know iam scared.
You can turn back the *Flo* w of time and watch it again.
go with the flo
How about a soft pass?
Nice to know that at least someone knows about Latvia in WW1
If only history would be so simple and so black and white.
nice to know some people actually know latvia exists
The last time I was this late, there was "peace in our time". :(
When was "peace in our time" said? JFK speech?
Yes Neville Chamberlain 30th September 1938 at Croydon Airport on his return frm Munich
Paul Rigsby Wrong period
Napoleon I Bonaparte so is Napoleon. Apparently you just don't understand exactly how late I am.
Friendly Neighborhood Neocon apparently you just don't understand exactly how late I am.
P.S. In regards to the Flo episode, I think you should let him answer the questions in his native language and just set up subtitles afterwards (add asterisks to include footnotes). I think it would really enhance the feel of the show.
Thank you for showing my question. Thank you so much and you are awesome.
Ādams Vizulis I myself have thick Latvian heritage so it was interesting for me to learn, thank you for asking the question - Best regards from America
LemonFizz Kidd Is one of your parents latvian?
Ādams Vizulis My grandmother and grandfather emigrated to the US when WW2 was starting to take ground and the Soviets started to affect the country
LemonFizz Kidd Well thats how many latvians came to live abroad. I had relative who died before or shortly after I was born. He lived in Australia.
Ādams Vizulis ah ok, I wasn't sure how common it was
It is now November 2022.
I found this series a year ago and eagerly watched for a few months.
The tragedy and idiocy of the Russian invasion of Ukraine then started and I took a break from this for the last few months.
However, I'm now getting back into this.
Can I just say that you guys are doing a real service here! There are lots of TV shows about the World Wars. However, the depth and breadth of your content vastly exceeds anything else I have seen. This is video equivalent of the most comprehensive and in-depth literary examination of the wars.
I might need to become a patreon.
I think the psychological impact of close quarters combat is well shown in "All quiet on the Western Front" when Paul Bäumer actually kills an enemy and suffers heavily from it.
Daniel Băț Was that when he killed the French painter but tried to save him?
@@randoaccount4744 Yeah, but in the novel I think it was a French printer (not a painter). That's one of the most painful, trapped moments in one of the most powerful books I've ever read.
To be fare he did have to sit with him while he died, most troops would move on, finish the job, or render aid then move on, but he was forced to stay. Though he was forced sit by his friends as they died, how people die affect us differently. Still a powerful scene.
That Baltic bit was very interesting. Didn't know much about it at all before this video. Thanks.
Make sure to watch our Baltic episode too.
Can you guys maybe do an episode about the most pivotal moments in the war? It's interesting to see the defining moments that shaped our world. I remember one of your weekly episodes about 2 pivotal moments and they were very interesting. Thanks for everything you guys do, you guys are some of the best on RUclips. Keep up the awesome work! :)
TheGamingZuluWarrior Yeah I did but idk if Flo saw it so I posted it again. If he doesn't respond I won't keep spamming it.
Duke Of Istria it's the firing squad for you mate :)
Why was Austria-Hungary unsuccessful in making peace?
Conrad von Hotzendorf
FAKE NEWS!
Indiana Jones Because war is going to end soon anyways.
The new Emporor was inexperienced, Italy had too big demands and A-H gradually became more and more dependent on Germany - military and economic.
Conrad von Hötzendorf
Oh yeah?
Then explain why you attacked Serbia?
conrad von hötzendumb
Hello from Hong Kong! Possible question for OOTT, what happened to captured territory? Let's say, for example, the Germans pushed further into French territory and managed to secure more land. What would happen to the lands now further behind the line? Would they be left as trenches or would they be converted into something more productive like farms? I've wondered this for a while now because wouldn't the French and Russians who had the enemy on their soil end up having less food as they would use much of the land near the front lines to make trenches and not perhaps farms or factories? Love the show, excited for the new "It's History" series!!! :)
P.S. Indy and I have the same birthday :P
Enthusiast view here.
Before trench war settled and troops moved quickly land over run would have useful farms with only a little damage.
Once the trench war started in the nature of artillery battles pounded not just the trenches but at times the support areas nearby. Artillery had ranges of miles. Consider counter battery fire to knock out artillery guns that were a mile or two behind the trenches. An advance of a few miles, which in those days was a big deal, would still be into the damaged areas. Thus the most likely captured farms were already damaged. The need to feed the men at the front with foraging, official or otherwise, would also tend to reduce the nearby farms as the food. Likewise given the slow pace of trench warfare nearby 'industry' might be relocated. In part out of the risk of it being shelled.
An army that took over a farm might make use of the land and buildings in ways other than farming. Placements for your artillery that you moved up. Buildings for command posts and hospitals. Flat ground for supply dumps. Assuming the troops weren't digging underground installations.
The trenches themselves took a lot of labor to build. It would take a lot of labor to fill them in. While trenches are orientated to fight in one direction they can be adapted to fight in another. At least reducing the amount of work needed. So if you got past a trench line you might want to have the captured trench as a basis for a fall back defense. When you consider that to defend the new gains you needed your own deep trenches the immediate concern would be on defending not restoring the land.
Consider that new crops sowed would need months to grow to harvest. That assumes you took the land in the spring or planting season. Otherwise it could be up to a year before any new farms would produce. In terms of making new farms wouldn't it be better to invest those resources in places far away from the fighting?
Also for consideration is the depletion of the work force to provide soldiers. As the war progressed if you had people available to farm rather than taking the time to make new farm on captured ground those people could be sent to work at an existing undermanned farm.
It has been said that one of the inventions leading to all the deaths in World War 1 was preserved foods. The density of the men at the front far exceeded a local farms carrying capacity.
There might well be some efforts to get food out of new land but it might be more a matter of local troops doing it for themselves with the state resources going to safer or undermanned places.
I hope my humble views are of use to you and The Great War.
B1 Laxson Wow, thanks for taking the time to respond, with such detail no less! I understand the fact that artillery would threaten the lands surrounding the front lines and the fact that it would be more efficient for the men to stay in the trenches rather than to go and turn land near the front back into farms, but I wonder if at any point in the war, with all the food shortages and all (especially in places such as Germany, Russia and AH), if those in high command ever thought of converting the trenches which were miles away from the front back into farmlands.
It is true that Royal Marines got paid less, but the Royal Navy still had the prize money system in place to give out some noticable extra money when capturing/sinking enemy ships.
So basically the navy were tipped workers?
I have a question for out of the trenches. Were shotguns used a lot also how were they used and how long were their range. Hope you guys keep going -Swaggypetush
Swaggy Petush According to Battlefield 1 they were used all the time.
i can kinda answer that
early in the war, there wasn't any shotgun use, their use in the trenches happened with the US entering the war
their use was complained about, as the weapon (if looked at like as a rifle) would be illegal (due to their projectiles) however it was deemed to be okay
they were frowned a pon as a rule (from my understanding) however they US forces that used them thought they were effective
as far as range is concerned, it kinda does't matter, the shotgun was used as a trench sweeping weapon, the ranges were unlikely to be beyond 25 metres, which even if they were using bird shot, it would ruin an enemy's day
Only the US had issued shotguns to normal soldiers. They were very late in the war, so overall not so much.
Jeremy Sims Thanks
Swaggy Petush Apart from very early (and very futile) experiments with using shotguns to shoot down airplanes, they weren't used until the Americans got into the trenches. Range with 00 buckshot is about forty yards, slightly less with smaller buckshot. Round ball would have extended the range slightly, but was wildly inaccurate. Foster slugs weren't invented until 1931, and Americans during wartime wouldn't have had access to Brenneke slugs.
The "s" in Strēlnieki is pronounced like in "snake" not "shoot"... if that makes sense. Great video nonetheless.
Waiting for that Baltic special
FLO PUT A GERMAN TWIST TO IT! DOES THE NAME THOUGH COME FROM VERB "TO SHOOT"? IN MY LANGUAGE (SLOVENIAN) IT WOULD BE "STRELJATI" SO IM WONDERING...
TNX FOR THE EXPLANATION!
I think it does. My name translates to Wheeler in English- the man that makes a wheel- and it comes from the Latin root from a proto-Indo Europen word- ratha- spoked wheel chariot. The German word for wheel being Das Rad. The Latvian name Strelnieks means rifleman and the core part of the word is the verb to shoot. It's similar in Russian and obviously, Slovenian- most European languages coming from common roots way back- or borrowing words more recently.
Yeah in Slavic languages the word "Strelat", might be a little different depending on the language, means "to shoot", so a strelnik would be a shooter, or a rfileman.
@NickRatnieks
It's interesting that in Lithuania rifleman is "šaulys" which comes from the word "šauti" (to shoot).
There were actually Estonian divisions/battalions similar to the Latvian Rifleman but they were stationed in Estonia which wasn't smack bang on the front line like Latvia. Additionally they were treated pretty well by the High Command as they were part of the armies guarding the Gulf of Finland and Petrograd. Pretty important to keep such troops happy.
We needz ze german accent
+PoundeR ja
PoundeR Guten Tag joung Friend Ju are Richtig
at first I thought this ep was just going to "go with the flo"
Honestly, I think Indy and the crew should have their own TV program when this project is over. I love this channel
Hey. Latvian rifleman...
Huh. Thanks for touching on some personal history Indie!
They're known as "Latvian Hunters" over here in Estonia. During the Independence War apparently a lot of them stayed loyal to the Red Army and fought against the nationalists. They got an infamous reputation over here for being veteran troops from the WWI and for being ruthless and cruel. When the Estonian army crossed the border to help the Latvians against the Landeswehr, run ins with the Latvian Hunters were always far more dangerous than the local German militia. At start of the Independence War the Soviets managed to take a significant amount of Estonian land and the Latvian Hunters were greatly feared among the people in the occupied territories since they were known for killing, plundering and raping, often just for sport.
Nerd Punk-Fu Tere! I know that this is very late to the party, but trust me, whatever they did in Estonia is nothing compared to what the Red Riflemen did back on their own land. We are talking concentration camps for germans and bourgeousie (I can see the irony here), secret police etc. The Latvian communist leaders were known to be more red and brutal than Soviet leaders themselves. A Russian proverb during the Civil War: "Need an executioner? Look for a Latvian"
It's kind of ironic that the red riflemen were instrumental to the creation of the Soviet state and yet, when Stalin took power, he swiftly killed every former red rifleman and other Latvian revolutionaries who remained in Soviet Russia after Latvia fought back the Red Army in the Independence war during his purges in the 30's and later occupied the Baltic States. It's like shooting yourself in the foot.
Any way, happy 100 years of independence!
@@X3h0n wtf
@@karliskokorevics6902 damn that’s really like digging yourself a grave...
FLO! MY SPIRIT ANIMAL!
The Flo patronus
Why are all RUclips recommendations videos for kids?!?
player1 i was wondering that myself
it truly is rather perplexing.
Phillip Wirth You too
It looks to be fixed now.
Flo what did you do to Indy?
+betaich I can't confirm or deny anything
He distracted him with Houston Astros games on TV. :P
The book "On Killing" directly addresses the topic of a soldiers propensity to kill in combat. Also the psychological aftermath. Very interesting read.
I like it when the crew gets to answer the questions, Keep it up guys!!
For a little variety applied to Indy's next Flo conjuration:
Abracadabra
Alakazam
Joshikazam
Shazam
Presto Change-o
Hocus pocus
Asa Nisi Masa
Izzy wizzy
Jantar Mantar Jadu Mantar
Mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho
Meeska Mooska
Ajji Majji la Tarajji
Shemhamforash
And, for some real fireworks:
Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo
Not to count on WWI, but the first "marines" as a corp was created by the Spanish Navy. Called "Infantería de Marina", Navy Infantry. This corps where created on Feb 27 1537.
The very young and inexperienced Royal Marine Light Infantry ( RMLI ) were, rightly or wrongly, blamed by the Anzacs for the failure of an attack at Gallipoli in May 1915. They were then known as the Royal Malingerers and it was said that RMLI stood for " Run my lads, imshi ( be off !) ."
There were two units in WW1 - Royal Marine Light Infantry and Royal Marine Artillery (mainly heavy howitzers). They were amalgamated after the war, but the Royal Marines were almost abolished in 1922, because they had no 'modern' role. However, they carried on till WW2 when they were incorporated into Combined Operations, together with units from the army and navy, who all trained as commandos. (My father was a Royal Navy Commando). The navy and army commando units were disbanded after the war, but the marines remained as the Royal Marine Commandos.
My great-uncle, Arnolds Ratnieks was a Latvian Rifleman- he was killed on the Northern Front in early 1916. His name is on a memorial in Latvia. My grandfather was a staff officer in the Russian Army- he survived- which is why I can type this comment!
wow, it's been quite some time since the last flo sighting XD.
The soldiers not killing soldiers thing is interesting. There is evidence going back to the 1700s that no matter how well drilled soldiers would flinch upon firing at actual people. In the US civil war some soldiers just kept loading in combat with barrels full of rounds never fired. US studies showed so few soldiers were willing to fire on an enemy that targets for training were changed to human silhouettes in an effort to get riflemen accustomed to the idea. In the Vietnam war a scientific study was undertaken that proved fewer than one in one hundred US soldier ever actually fired at a person with most firing in a general direction.
Modern US training in the early 2000s was transformed and is now based on automatic response (Skinnerian/Operant Conditioning) which has dramatically increased the effectiveness of individual soldiers as well as PTSD. Documented PTSD in US infantry has skyrocketed from one in fifty who see combat to three out of five.
Latvians aren't Slavs so "Strēlnieki" shouldnt be pronounced with russian accent
Just a tip
But my grandfathers ancestors fought against the russian army he became a sucsessfull man and he became popular and a hero he was a commander and we are exploring our family tree but we dont know hes Name yet
1:32 That's Ian from Forgotten Weapons!
Can u please talk about why the Germans never tried blockade runners in the North Sea. Keep up the good work on your show
will you do videos about independence of Finland, Poland and Balkan contrys when the time comes?
My granddad was a Royal Marine and took some nasty shrapnel wounds on the Western Front in 1917 I think
You talked somewhat about the perception of the great war throughout the last hundred years. Can you maybe enhance that and do a special about how the war was perceived by the media and pop culture?
Ah-HA! You mentioned the Ukrainian Sichovi Striltsi! I knew you would eventually!
I'm really excited now, hoping for a future video on them :)
Since Ottoman Empire was a multi-national state and non-muslims had their religious rights etc. secured by the decrees from the government, how many non-muslims like Sarkis Torossian served in Ottoman Army during the war.
Non-Muslims were not allow to serve in the Ottoman army.
I was hoping to hear more about the French Fusiliers Marins in the Great War. So I'll add what little I know! (Maybe this will make it to Out of the Ether?)
First thing to mention is the French have two sort of naval infantry troops: the Fusilier Marins and the Troupes de Marine. At the time, the Troupes de Marine were called the Troupes Coloniale, since these were often European men, recruited from overseas colonies of the empire. After the Second World War, 1958, they would be given back their original name of Troupes de Marine (having been renamed in 1900). In anycase, these men were primarily used as expeditionary forces and garrisons of coastal cities outside of Metropolitan France. However, despite having their origins in the navy, on the same date they received their new designation as Coloniale, they were also placed under the command of the Army rather than the Marine Nationale (navy).
The Fusiliers Marins were a more traditional sort of marine unit which was strictly assigned to guarding of ports, naval depots and armories, as well as maintaining shipboard order. These men remained a part of the Navy. One of the more notable units, assembled for use by the army (as though it wasn't complicated enough, nor redundant, that Army had their own amphibious marine forces) was simply labeled "La Brigade de Fusiliers Marins", consisting of two regiments, and saw significant action at the battle of Yser, alongside the Belgian Royal Army. It was active from 7 August, 1914- November 1915. Many of the men were extremely young (as young as 16.5 yrs) and were mixed with veterans from existing ships' companies having been recruited during the excitement of the early days of the war, strictly as volunteers. As an additional bit of information, many of the men were from the coastal cities of northern France, particularly Brittany.
As the Germans crashed into Belgium, the brigade was sent to Yser Front to reinforce the Belgians for fear that the Germans may push through and on to Dunkirk (now that's a familiar name). The Brigade first saw combat at Melles on the 9th of October to cover the retreat of the Belgian Army cutting the tracks at the village of Gand to slow the enemy advance. At Dixmunde, the Fusiliers formed an impromptu defensive line and were reinforced by the 2nd Mixed Colonial Regiment which included two battalions of Senegalese Tirailleurs (part of the Troupes Coloniale, later Troupes de Marine) as well as some 5000 Belgians under the command of Belgian War Minister Armand de Ceuninck.
The desperate defense at the Yser (aided by the massive flooding talked about in earlier episodes) earn the Brigade it's own Colours and the Briagade was rotated out from the front to Nieuport.
Sadly, the Brigade was dissolved after that date ostensibly to bolster the ranks of the French Navy in the face of submarine warfare. Though I couldn't find any specifics on what happened to the fusiliers after Nov 1915, save that they were formally dissolved 10 December 1915, I would suspect they were reassigned by company to other vessels of the French Navy. One battalion, about 1000 Engineer-Fusiliers, did remain at the front and does not seem to have been dissolved or removed from the Yser after 1915 but details of its ultimate fate are unclear to me at this time. However it retained the traditions and Colours of the regiments and brigade.
During its 18 months of existence, it sustained causalities (KIA, WIA, or MIA) of 172 officers, 346 cadre, and 6000 matelots.
The 1st Regiment RFM would be reformed in the Free French Naval Forces under the 1st Free French Division in Sept 1943 and dissolved at the end of the Second World War. Today, the entirety of the Fusilier Marins stands at 2500 men and their greatest unit size stands at the Company level. Their traditions and colours are maintained at the Musée de Tradition des Fusiliers Marins in Lorient, Brittany, France.
If I need to make corrections or anything, let me know! And feel free to add anything else!
Hey, I Love Your Channel, I Showed My Channel To My Teacher Since We Are Doing WW1, Please Excuse my Username, But I Am Polish and are you going to do the polish soviet war after WW1? It's one of those forgotten wars that would be nice for you to talk about
seeing they are doing WW1 100 years later to the week, you'd have to wait till the end to find out anyway
Jeremy Sims Maybe They Will Answer This In The Next Episode
TheDestroyer12 I Know His Channel Is The Great War, But He Did The Balkon War Right Before ww1 p
Stalin did nothing wrong
Oh, only killed 60 Million people. That's nothing, right?
This is an excellent program! I look forward to their new series, "The Thirty Years War Week by Week."
I'm hoping for a natural history series "The Formation Of The Alps Mountains" in real-time
I feel like we have a German spy in our midst...
My money says it's Brigadier-General Sir Bernard Proudfoot-Smith
Does anyone like U.S Marines?
i need to sleep
+Thunderhunter7 me too
It's about time Flo got some love....was Indy out of the room or late for work?
Flo IS awesome.
So are you Indy, but you already know that.
Makes me wanna "Blippi Jet Ski | Boats for Children | Educational Videos for Toddlers
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Hey Indy, question for out of the trenches: What was the role of China and Japan in the First World War, most people know that Japan was allied with Germany in the Second World War, however was that alliance present in the Great War? Did China not join the war because of disorginsation in its country? Thanks Indy, love the show and never miss an episode. Greetings from Spain!
Flo Ukrainians were called siczovi strilci. Sicz (as in Czech) Cossacks settlement in Zaporigya was called Sicz), not sick.
JOHN KEEGAN.
May he Rest In Peace.
How much time it takes you guys to make one of the regular week by week episodes? I feel it isn't always easy to check all your sources and decide what it's really relevant in a week on particular. Do you have episodes recorded on advance just in case Indy gets sick or something? I'm sure you ear this all the time, but you really make a great work!
Indiana Neidell you rock !!!
Did Flo conduct a Coup d'état and topple Indy from his role as leader of the Chair of Wisdom? Where is Indy now? Has he 'disappeared'?
-Jen
Wait... We can make requests for specific people to answer?... Well then...
I dunno anyone besides Indy.
it's really hard to tell whether you guys script these out ahead of time or if it really is off the top of your head
+Erin S depends on the question honestly
I'm Lithuanian, in ww1 there existed some part units where majority of soldiers ware Lithuanians, for example 51-st Lithuanian infantry regiment that was part of 13th infantry division (7th army corps) during ww1 what is most interesting that this 51-st Lithuanian infantry regiment existed since 1809 to 1918, there was also few other more territorial units like "Naujieji Trakai 169-th infantry regiment" that was part of 43-th infantry division (2nd army corpus) there was few other regiments that i'm not remember, I think one was named King Mindaugas regiment and before ww1 was stationed in Siberia . Also worth mention that in pre ww1 Vilnius (capital city in Duchy of Lithuania that was part of Russian Empire at the time) existed war collage. There was also Prussian Lithuanian minority in East Prussia regions of German Empire and there was 12th Prussian Lithuanian Uhlan Regiment, but i'm not sure if they take place in ww1 action or not.
Ashley MacDonald's assertion / question has some truth behind it particularly prior to training methods that actually empasized killing. "Passive bystanders" is an overstatement. If you are interested in such things check out "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" by Dave Grossman
Question for out of the trenches; is Flo in anyway related to the American hip-hop artist known as Flo Rida, known for hit songs such as "Can't believe it" "My House", and "Sugar"?
Please do a show about danes forced to fight for Germany because of the german occupation of danish Northern-Schleswig. Almost 30.000 danes fought on the german side in WW1, including my great grandfathers.
Nice grammar correction, Indy. Congratulations on behalf of an English teacher of 32 years in EFL/ESL teaching.
Hey Indie and team from Houston, when the Americans joined the war, Douglas MacArthur a LT. COL in the National Guard was sent to the Western Front, where he was nicknamed "The Fighting Dude" and became a National hero. He was one of the most (or is) decorated Americans from the Great War(And latter most decorated American soldier in history from Korea and WW2). I think it would be great if you cover this for us Americans.
"Almost no-one is killed by the bayonet on a modern battlefield...but everyone is frightened by it. Remember this."
Gen. George Patton's advice to young officers in "War As I Knew It."
I'm liking this Knot Endie. Although he looks suspiciously like Flo. Maybe he's related?
What? Flo starts the show? *hits dislike button* (not really though. :P ) I do have a question, although it's more connected to the channel and than WWI itself. Once 1918 is over and done with, would there be any channels you guys would recommend that are similar in style to yours that go over other wars besides WW 1 & 2? Like the Boar Wars, the boxar rebellion, the sengoku jidai of Japan, etc.
Gas was widely used in the fronts of World War 1, but did they ever see use with the tanks? For example, did any country fit their tanks with gas and spew it on the fields during combat?
Question for Great War Special : Hello Indy and team Im big fan of this show and I'd like to know Georgian Soldiers Role in WW1 under Russian Command My great grandfather was Soldier of Russian Infantry division while WW2 and he fought in Crimea and near sevastopol
Latvian Rifelmen were enemies of Estonians. Treitors of their own people. During Independence War they were one of the Red Army parts who fight in Baltics. Maybe best of their units. Fortunatly Estonians defeated Red Army and also Landeswehr(local German army under general Goltz). Estonians didn't want to fight in Latvia and officers had hard time to motivate the men. However it would have been difficult to gain independence if Latvia would have fallen under Soviet or German rule. General staff understud this and some of the blodiest battles were held in Latvian territory. Including battle of Võnnu were Landeswehr was defeted.
Biggest enemy was still Soviets. Luckily they were busy in several fronts and in Baltics the forces were equal between Estonia and Soviets.
On the topic of soldiers not shooting to kill. This isn't as related to WW1 as people might think. It is a psychological thing. US Army did research (after WW2 IIRC) and found out that only ~2% of soldiers actively aimed at their target. The rest mostly aimed at the enemy's general direction. This had led to different ways to make this % improve. For example, military targets are shaped as people. Dehumanizing the enemy is another thing, if you don't perceive them as humans shooting them supposedly becomes easier.
On Killing by David Grossman (ret. Army Ranger officer and psychology professor) is an excellent work on the psychology of killing in war.
Did Malta have any part in WW1 in any way? As a country or army? As it was used by the British in WW2 for there naval ships and such, while also was used for medical use for the British soldiers in WW2. Thank you and keep up the great show. Nick Hillman.
For the second question, I do not know how many soldiers in ww1 did shoot to kill but in WW2 it was 1/4th who actually shot to kill when they had the chance (US soldiers) also 1 % of fighter pilots stood for 50% of the kills while the other 50% stood for the remaining 99%. By Vietnam they had gotten the shoot to kill level up to about 75% of soldiers.
For an in depth discussion of killing by combatants in war see David Grossman's "On Killing"
hey great war team. July 1st 2017 was Canadas 150th birthday and it was a big party nation wide. This got me wondering how were major national events celebrated on the front? The christmas truce of 1914 is well known but I've never heard anything about how our soldiers celebrated Canada's 50th and surely other nations in the war had major milestone holidays as well at some point. keep up the great work.
Which Austrian Mountain Brigades fought with the German 9th Army during the invasion of Romania?
The idea that most soldiers in WW1 did not actually fire at the enemy probably is inspired by Dave Grossmans book "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" and SLA Marshall's study it was based on. Marshall claimed something to that effect for World War 2 and it would only stand to reason that, if it was true for World War 2 that most soldiers did not aim to hit the enemy soldiers, the same would have been true for the first World War.
I would recomend reading On Killing (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing) for more insight into the topic of well killing in combat. The book works from a study, that basically stated, that in WW2 only 20-25 percent of soldiers shot to kill. And goes from there to further explore the topic.
For WW I I destincly remember that there were different dynamics from artillery or machine-gun crews to individual soldiers which enabled them to kill more easily, but if one is interested in the topic the book goes into a lot more details.
I'm not sure saying conscripts might not have the "courage" to kill at close quarters is quite fair. I'm sure many had no intention of killing other human beings face to face, for ethical or emotional reasons, or at least found themselves unwilling to do so when it came to it. That could be seen as courage too, especially given the potential punishments.
Great series by the way.
No offense Indy but I gotta say seeing Bro Flo doing the intro but you doing the show was kinda disappointing, please don't misunderstand... I think you are an AWESOME host but I think it would be cool if Flo hosted an episode or two, just to hear another historian's perspective! I love this show/series , thank you all for your hard work and dedication to this period in world history that has been glossed over in many history books/lessons
On Ashley McDonald question about soldiers not trying to kill other soldiers... you should check a youtube video of lindybeige channel, called "shoot to kill"... maybe an explanation on that issue too.
About that "Soldiers not actually trying to shoot the enemy"
My Granddad who was with the Wehrmacht on the eastern front in WW2 and with whose look at the past I definitly have some issues, said something once that stuck really to my mind.
It was along the lines of: "There were these guys in our platoon (Zug), Indivuduals so numbed and mentally broken that you would in a peacetime society never let them walk free. But on the frontlines you were in a perverse way glad about them being there doing the job (engaging directly at the enemy) you sometimes just could not." He also said something along the lines that it was way easier to, aim and shoot at positions, muzzleflashes and such where you could not make out actual human beings.
Which he said was not just his own but a shared experience according to him.
These sort of statements stuck to me and yeah in a combat situation it is probably very much down to the individual soldier if he actually aims at a person or just "shoots in the general direction", and I would imagine so especially so with conscripts.
My great grandfather fought during WW1. He told stories of times during the early parts of the war they would have a night truce with the Germans were they would exchange musicians or just regular guys to play music or have checker competitions. Do they have any documents about this
Question for out of the Trenches. Due to the events of this out of the trenches episode on the 16th of July, is it safe to assume Indy and Crew can swap positions via magic chant? I have seen Flo and Indy at the same time on screen, so it's highly doubtful that you are the same person, unless you got someone else to dress up as Flo and talk like him. So my question is: Whats the most awkward situation Andy/Flo have swapped locations on?
Oddly enough my great grandfather served in the U.S marines and was deployed to Verdun. He then was later redeployed and come back to america to marry a German american which family had fought on both sides, one a U.S translator, one a u.s infantrymen, the others German infantrymen. Again oddly enough I also lost no one in ww1 in my family out of 7 or 8 members in the armed forces.
I noticed in this episode you included a photo of an African soldier. Can you expand on the role of African troops during the war. What were conditions like? Were they as patriotic as their European counterparts? etc. Love the show. also GO CUBS!
I have a question for Out of the Trenches! Did the Russians ever conscript any contact or tribal units from Kazakhstan and if so did they fight in any major battles or campaigns?
Excuse me if it's been brought up already, but the British marines are equipped with Japanese Arisakas at 2:18. This was done in order to get more Enfields to the troops in France.
royal marines dominated for 9 months at Gallipoli even though most died
the battlefield player dominated???? well if u considered trapped on a beach for 8 months dominant.
MrShaneVicious dominated meaning standing there ground beyond limits(:
There are two things i want to say one will probally end up on out of the aether the other on out of the trenches 1 I'm curious of what Germany thought of the harlem Hellfighters? Second why did the British army keep a stuck in the past fool like Sir Douglas Haig with his grand plans falling apart , The Somme , the Eventual Failure of his new plan why keep him around in fact why off topic from Haig why keep that idiot Luigi Cadorna around after he had some many failures in the field these two men anger me with how they ran the ways but why keep these guys around?!
Talking about Marines, the portuguese marines are thought to be the oldest marine/marine-like corporation in the world. Can anyone confirm or dismiss this?
I did read that something like 0.001% of all combat deaths were in WW 1 were due to the use of the bayonet. There are recorded instances of British troops who when faced with a German soldier at close range and with the bayonet attached to their rifles would still shoot the German rather then use the bayonet. It seems that the physical act of stabbing someone with it was just to much of a step for many people.
This may also be because shooting the enemy would have been less of a danger to themselves. i remember reading about the US Armies Sergeant York the day he won the Congressional Medal of Honour. While at the front line they came across a number of dead US and German soldier several of whom had died while simultaneously killing their opponent. They had each stabbed the other with their bayonet.
i have question germany helping finland in there civil war and frederick charles of hesse what germany plan about finland and making frederick charles king of finland?
Damn,I really want to suggest something,but I can't think of something right now.
I have a question for "out of the trenches." How prevalent were commercial cigarettes during the first world war? In photos you can see that there are a lot of hand rolled cigarettes, but would commercial cigarettes even be issued to troops until the second world war? PS: Love the channel, and love the depth of research!
Flo has taken over the show D:
PRAISE OUR OVERLORD FLO!
Since you brought up the topic I would be interested to hear your view to LindyBeige's episode on soldiers not wanting to kill enemies. ruclips.net/video/zViyZGmBhvs/видео.html
I liked Ashley MacDonalds question. In the age of industrial war soldiers became a lot like workers on an assembly line; feeding the machines. It is time to lay to rest the idea of "Glorious soldier".
There is a video by @Lindybeige called "shooting to kill" and it explains the psychology of the soldier as a killer (or lack thereof) and how training has evolved to create killers.
1:32 ... Did Ian finally get his time machine working...?