Armies and Tactics: Roman Polybian Legion and Triplex Acies

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  • Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024

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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад +257

    No battle episode this week, as we are traveling. We will return to our usual schedule next week. Thanks to Brilliant, we do not run any youtube ads on this video. You should really check out their offer if you are into IQ tests and puzzles. And if you want to show your Kings and Generals swag, our merchandise shop is ready for you: bit.ly/2LBiL8G

    • @mogyesz9
      @mogyesz9 6 лет назад

      Could you keep the original serious tone of the videos intact and leave out small little funny maymay jokes like the one about furries? Many of these videos have education potential, degradating the qulity for some small inside chuckles is definitely not the way forward.

    • @Loyal94
      @Loyal94 6 лет назад

      My week isn't complete without cracking boxes, please stop traveling!! :'( J/k, enjoy the travels, please do hurry tho x'D

    • @oohlala444
      @oohlala444 6 лет назад

      Kings and Generals Could you guys just give me an email reply?

    • @christermi
      @christermi 6 лет назад

      Very well done!

    • @WarDankEagle
      @WarDankEagle 6 лет назад +2

      @@mogyesz9: Would you explain what you mean by "education potential" and "the way forward"? Personally, I enjoy and appreciate the occasional humorous touches and still manage to find these videos educational.

  • @JodenPaoloPeroy
    @JodenPaoloPeroy 6 лет назад +852

    "We'll be covering the Marian reforms..."
    **heavy breathing**

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад +69

      There will be at least one episode... :-)

    • @vasslander9602
      @vasslander9602 6 лет назад +13

      I remember Kings and Generals replying to a post in a previous video that the series will try to cover rome till 1453. So hopefully we'll get to see A LOT of romans :)

    • @muhammadassadullah6261
      @muhammadassadullah6261 4 года назад +1

      @@KingsandGenerals history nimrod please

  • @aggrobernd
    @aggrobernd 6 лет назад +134

    10:18 shoutout for that eu4/paradox graphic reference

  • @davidrosner6267
    @davidrosner6267 6 лет назад +187

    Fascinating video! Like the Macedonian Army of Philip II and Alexander, the Roman Army was a well oiled machine!
    I also noticed that “SOCII,” the Latin word for ally, is where we get the English word “social.” That’s an interesting etymological history!

    • @catriona_drummond
      @catriona_drummond 6 лет назад +23

      There was a tiny mistake actually. "Socii" is allies, the plural form. A single ally would be a "socius".

    • @GhostofNr9
      @GhostofNr9 6 лет назад +7

      Or associate...

    • @SamuelHallEngland
      @SamuelHallEngland 6 лет назад

      You don't want to butter up your allies too much now!

    • @EricToTheScionti
      @EricToTheScionti 2 года назад

      @@SamuelHallEngland ?

  • @jonarnar1383
    @jonarnar1383 6 лет назад +93

    “When all else fails.......send in the Triarii”

  • @thebigdrew12
    @thebigdrew12 6 лет назад +89

    Last time I saw a Velite, I blew him up in New Vegas. Good times.

  • @jamestang1227
    @jamestang1227 6 лет назад +455

    3:41
    Little known historical fact, velites were furries.

    • @michaelmoore4043
      @michaelmoore4043 6 лет назад +1

      Wow

    • @jamestang1227
      @jamestang1227 6 лет назад +13

      Ned Stark
      They will eventually be purged as they are heretical mutants deserving to die.

    • @ClydeC
      @ClydeC 6 лет назад +5

      Dont mean the Space Corgies

    • @mogyesz9
      @mogyesz9 6 лет назад +6

      Get this degenerate fucks out of serious videos.

    • @SamuelHallEngland
      @SamuelHallEngland 6 лет назад +1

      Velites suck wolf dick, give me some real men [The Triarii] any day of the week!

  • @Deppability
    @Deppability 2 года назад +2

    One of my favourite videos, which I for some reason allways come back to.

  • @SandRhomanHistory
    @SandRhomanHistory 6 лет назад +56

    Its quite unknown, but rather interesting that the "switching troops out" tactic was already used by the Greeks. According to Herodotus, the Spartans and their allies displayed this tactic at Thermopylae, where the held off the Persians in 480 BC. Herodotus explains that the Greeks fought in Groups according to their native Cities and would then switch positions when they got tired.

    • @Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
      @Bullet-Tooth-Tony- 6 лет назад +2

      +SandRhoman
      Yeah it was shown in the fantasy movie 300

    • @vanlao6367
      @vanlao6367 6 лет назад +13

      the main difference is that Greek troops aren't as efficient as switching out due to their traditional line formation, so they either ran through friendly formations, or had to circle around it.
      Roman legion used checker board formation, which not only allow ally troops to run through formation with minimum loss, but also make it easier to maneuver through difficult terrains like Hills, swamps etc. Also, unlike Greeks, Roman legions don't set up formation before battles, but they marched their army into formation in front of enemies, to show them how disciplined and formidable Roman troops is, and striked to the heart of enemy troops mentally, lowering their morale.

    • @rasterbate87
      @rasterbate87 4 года назад

      I imagine the idea of switching out tired troops was one of the very first innovations in intertribal warfare, so I imagine it was “discovered” in many places many times, sometimes nearly simultaneously.

    • @giftzwerg7345
      @giftzwerg7345 Год назад

      Can you provide a source? I mean it makes sense but this is an insane Important Pice of Information

  • @liansangpuia7727
    @liansangpuia7727 6 лет назад +55

    I am 10 and almost 11 and I have learnt so much from this channel!

  • @mangyminotaur30
    @mangyminotaur30 6 лет назад +100

    Forget the notification squad. Where the triarii at??

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад +4

      The thing is, it seems that most people didn't get the notification.

    • @prasetyod7033
      @prasetyod7033 6 лет назад +4

      they are rebelling out of boredom

    • @dariustiapula
      @dariustiapula 6 лет назад +2

      @@prasetyod7033 Crucify them.

  • @HistoryHouseProductions
    @HistoryHouseProductions 6 лет назад +10

    Your guy’s animation is so smooth and professional! Thanks for putting these out for us!

  • @ronrozen2105
    @ronrozen2105 6 лет назад +20

    Fantastic content, amazing graphics and the narration is on point, you can't ask for more :)

  • @dariustiapula
    @dariustiapula 6 лет назад +12

    8:33. "WE ARE THE LEGION. YOUR TECHNOLOGICAL AND TACTICAL EXPERTISE WILL BE ASSIMILATED!."

  • @jayke9533
    @jayke9533 5 лет назад +5

    These videos truly bring my heart to warmth. I have always had a fascination in ancient history and I praise you and everyone who has worked hard on all of your videos.
    Thank you!
    Roma Victor!

  • @blankblank6545
    @blankblank6545 6 лет назад +2

    I don't know what I would do without these videos, and this channel. It's just so fantastic!

  • @Pingthescribe
    @Pingthescribe 6 лет назад +28

    "Our plan is to continue this series all the way to the fall of Constantinople, so stick around."
    :D :D :D

  • @Bojanglesz89
    @Bojanglesz89 6 лет назад +14

    The image of the cavalry man still has the spear through the neck of the horse

  • @InspectHistory
    @InspectHistory 6 лет назад +67

    Update version from Invicta, nice work King & Generals 🤓
    Really love that, how about talking about Gustav or Charles V army formation? 😁

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад +7

      Will happen down the line!

    • @InspectHistory
      @InspectHistory 6 лет назад +2

      Thanks! appreciated that :)

    • @ingtelcuy5462
      @ingtelcuy5462 6 лет назад

      Eh bapak :v

    • @RexGalilae
      @RexGalilae 5 лет назад

      In the meantime, you can watch a video by theartofbattle on that. Their website has a slideshow you can download

  • @JuzNyc
    @JuzNyc 6 лет назад +2

    This might be one of my favorite video that you've made so far, I can't wait for the Marian Reforms!

  • @CHIEF-ug4mu
    @CHIEF-ug4mu 6 лет назад +1

    Love the little Age of Empires noise at 4:40!

  • @r0b0saurusrex80
    @r0b0saurusrex80 6 лет назад +1

    Excellent Video sir... Looking forward to you covering more of the Roman Legion.

  • @theblindlucario5093
    @theblindlucario5093 6 лет назад +2

    The SPQR hoodie looks great :D proud to support this channel!

  • @VLADB07
    @VLADB07 6 лет назад +2

    When will this amazing channel hit 1M? WHEEEN, God bless your work

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    @ioioioioio6026 3 года назад +8

    "wolfskin headdress otherwise known as a fursuit or fursona" well time to subscribe

  • @peterpienczuk2664
    @peterpienczuk2664 4 года назад +8

    “ Roman cavalry in this period has an undeservedly bad reputation, primarily because of their many crushing defeats”. Feels like they deserved it to me

    • @LuisBrito-ly1ko
      @LuisBrito-ly1ko Год назад +1

      Many doesn’t mean “majority” though. The phalanx also lost many battles and yet it’s praised.

    • @peterpienczuk2664
      @peterpienczuk2664 Год назад

      @@LuisBrito-ly1ko Tis so but many of those loses were against another phalanx😅

    • @Sucramar
      @Sucramar 20 часов назад

      @@peterpienczuk2664A little late to respond, but wouldn’t the Roman cavalry be losing to other cavalry?

  • @mathieug6136
    @mathieug6136 6 лет назад +1

    This format is great! Good job!

  • @DuckSwagington
    @DuckSwagington 6 лет назад +3

    I love this series so much. Keep up the good work.

  • @EndOfSmallSanctuary97
    @EndOfSmallSanctuary97 6 лет назад

    I loved the detail of having the EU4 UI in the top left corner when they were talking about Rome having low “manpower”.

  • @rlav1276
    @rlav1276 6 лет назад +3

    Once again another amazing video by you guys good job keep it up.

  • @cferolie
    @cferolie 2 года назад

    I "LOVE" all your content and History in particular of Rome Republic and Empire Rule. Thank you

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 6 лет назад +23

    “ strength and honor” 😁👍

  • @bayonetwork77
    @bayonetwork77 6 лет назад +2

    I know very little about the Seleucid empire and would love you guys to do a few episodes. Better to watch your mini documentaries than read wiki!

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад

      Have you watched our video on the battle of Magnesia?

  • @Hostility1812
    @Hostility1812 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks for another great video!

  • @Snarfindorf
    @Snarfindorf 6 лет назад +3

    Can we all just appreciate how ingenious it is to have soldiers take turns in combat?

  • @lmaozedong2259
    @lmaozedong2259 6 лет назад +1

    Please make a series on Sulla and Marius🤙🏻 keep up the good work

  • @TheElMuffin
    @TheElMuffin 5 лет назад +2

    "The history of Rome's campaigning is, if nothing else, a history of obstinate persistence overcoming appalling losses."

  • @tomaskadlicek5926
    @tomaskadlicek5926 6 лет назад +2

    So cool videos, really. Please continue.

  • @ScipionLaurentiend
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    top notch as always...keep it up

  • @f.bayquineliseob.2084
    @f.bayquineliseob.2084 6 лет назад +57

    All hail the mighty Roman legions!

  • @pyrrhus3445
    @pyrrhus3445 6 лет назад +7

    For the glory of Rome , that was awesome

  • @Manny444a
    @Manny444a 6 лет назад +2

    Your videos never disappoint! I was wondering if you could maybe make a video about the Maccabean revolt?

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад

      It is on our list, but we are not sure for now.

    • @Manny444a
      @Manny444a 6 лет назад +1

      @@KingsandGenerals Thank you for the response!

  • @MrRinoHunter
    @MrRinoHunter 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the video!

  • @unleashingpotential-psycho9433
    @unleashingpotential-psycho9433 6 лет назад +4

    Thank you for the video.

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 6 лет назад +2

    Great video!

  • @rayanhey2411
    @rayanhey2411 6 лет назад

    I just wonder why I always wanted this series above all the other ones ?? I just cannot figure out why ????

  • @abdullahyusof4739
    @abdullahyusof4739 6 лет назад +2

    I'd like you guys to do a an episode covering the arms, armour and military tactics of the the Mongols and especially the Crusades; namely the 1st-3rd for both the Muslims and the Christians. I think seeing the differences between how the two cultures of Europe and the Middle East approached warfare would be awesome

    • @magnushelin007
      @magnushelin007 6 лет назад

      Agreed! The comparison would be really interesting.

  • @aumediwibisana4613
    @aumediwibisana4613 6 лет назад

    Can't wait for you to cover the cohort system :).

  • @vahagngrigoryan7735
    @vahagngrigoryan7735 5 лет назад

    Love this channel. Please continue shooting more army reform video. :)

  • @connorgolden4
    @connorgolden4 6 лет назад +3

    I’m a simple man. I see a Kings and Generals video and I like it.

  • @milesgibson9555
    @milesgibson9555 2 года назад +15

    Are we just gonna ignore how they just called the all the velites furries

  • @abdullaharshad5347
    @abdullaharshad5347 6 лет назад +1

    I just love your videos.

  • @Red-rl1xx
    @Red-rl1xx 6 лет назад

    Wow! Both Baz Battles and K&G uploaded new videos the same morning!👍

  • @Ishkur23
    @Ishkur23 6 лет назад +2

    Essentially everything I learned about Rome: Total War, in one video.

  • @thedoggfather531
    @thedoggfather531 6 лет назад

    I've been looking forward to this!

  • @generaldemolka4455
    @generaldemolka4455 6 лет назад +4

    "Otherwise known as fursuit or fursona" goddamn, you still manage to sneak in such jokes in! Great video, looking forward to even more of these upcoming

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 6 лет назад +2

    I use all sorts of formations when I play as the Romans in Rome total war. The Triplex Acies work very well against the Persians

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 4 года назад

    I found this to be a very interesting video. Always nice to know how famous fighting forces fought their enemies and beat them. My compliments to those who made this video a reality.

  • @ArchCone
    @ArchCone 6 лет назад +1

    A nice perfect episode.

  • @KK-ml3mx
    @KK-ml3mx 5 лет назад +4

    Live your videos! I do have a question though. The Roman legion was superior to the traditional Greek and Macedonian phalanx owing to their to their speed, flexibility and maneuverability. But how would they have fared against armies of the middle ages like the Vikings etc?
    Also, Will you continue this series on to the armies and tactics of the middle ages and beyond? It's quite interesting to see how warfare has changed through the ages.

  • @zioMav89
    @zioMav89 6 лет назад +1

    Exeptional documentary!

  • @hiddenhist
    @hiddenhist 6 лет назад

    _Very_ slick editing here xp Nice stuff

  • @moeykrimz2107
    @moeykrimz2107 6 лет назад

    @KingsandGenerals I'm sure that your schedule for the rest of 2018 is beyond occupied. However may I suggest you make a video on the Invasion of Kuwait (1990) and Gulf War (Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm). The Gulf War marks the biggest alliance (including the superpower US) since WW2 and consists of one of the most intensive air bombardments in military history; hence, the war clearly portrays how modern warfare works . The video would be extremely intriguing if it were to also give minor insight on the overall politics of the time and war.

  • @cagoenlaleche
    @cagoenlaleche 6 лет назад +1

    I'm a simple man. I see triples acies on a KG video and I click + like before actually seeing it.

  • @WalterWhiteFootballSharing
    @WalterWhiteFootballSharing 6 лет назад +1

    Some historians now write that Marian Reforms were already in progress. I'm no expert, I'm as surprised as anybody else by this theory. But Polybian Legions really conquered the Roman Empire; by 146BC the whole Mediteranean was under the Hob Nailed boots of the Legions....But they still didn't do Garrisons in provinces. When did they? Did the Republic ever use long serving Legions; since that's absolutely necessary to really BE an empire. Indirectly; the Seleucids and Ptolemies were basically Vassals after 146; thats why Polybius wrote his book; saying early on "How in such a short time, the Romans Conquered the whole world"; stating that Independence in the Mediterranean World, the ONLY world he knew of, was gone with the Sacking of Carthage and Corinth.

  • @Iam0ne1
    @Iam0ne1 6 лет назад

    Kings and Generals, and Baz Battles upload on the same day... Christmas has come early.

  • @SwampGreen14
    @SwampGreen14 6 лет назад +1

    Sigh, alright, you got me Kings and Generals
    *starts up Divivde et Impera*

  • @ab_khanayy
    @ab_khanayy 6 лет назад +1

    This is pretty interesting but make sure u turn on fire at will on the hastati and princepes

  • @ryancalhoun9454
    @ryancalhoun9454 6 лет назад +1

    Finally, someone who pronounces Latin correctly

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад

      Thanks!

    • @ryancalhoun9454
      @ryancalhoun9454 6 лет назад

      @@KingsandGenerals it's just whenever I see these videos where the guy says a word like triarii, and they make the last "i" sound like "eye", I just get annoyed. You even say c's like they are supposed to be said!

  • @Tanakun09
    @Tanakun09 6 лет назад

    Awesome Video on the Roman Military army. I look forward to the next one on the Marian Reforms.
    Right after Hannibal defeated and devastated Roman at Cannae and other battles, the Senate was about to piss in their pants, cause they had no army to mobilize against Hannibal and had to resort to conscription and recruiting commoners and prison criminals to fill their ranks! Man, the Senate was indeed going to piss in their pants, if they didn't pull that move.

  • @salvadorfut7981
    @salvadorfut7981 6 лет назад

    This video is very good. I think that pike and shot formations from the 16th and 17th centuries would be a amazing tópico for a video. Terei is so much to talk about it. The tercios, the ladsknets...

    • @salvadorfut7981
      @salvadorfut7981 6 лет назад +1

      Sorry, i did not wanted to say”tópico” i did want to say topic.

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад

      Well, topic is topic. :-) Tercios will be covered down the line.

  • @globalcombattv
    @globalcombattv 6 лет назад

    IT HAS COME TO THE TRIARII - Love this saying!

  • @biggvshavtivsdickvsii8541
    @biggvshavtivsdickvsii8541 6 лет назад +1

    Excellent video! I loved watching it after I pulled up a slab of marble and bowl of grapes!

  • @Daruliable
    @Daruliable 6 лет назад +1

    I want more! Good video

  • @codybonds
    @codybonds 6 лет назад +5

    Didn't expect a furry joke this early in the morning. Now I'm wiping coffee off my monitor.

  • @gianlucaborg195
    @gianlucaborg195 6 лет назад +2

    Marian reformmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............ ROMA INVICTA ROMA INVICTA ROMA INVICTA. Awesome. Good job to the team keep it up - you rock!!! Rome is good enough given you're travelling!. Nice that adds are gone once and for all too - they really disturb immersion! Thanks and keep rolling!!! K&G for best YT channel 2018!

    • @carlosreid51
      @carlosreid51 6 лет назад

      Marius changed the Roman Army to fight better to stay an empire

  • @nodosa994
    @nodosa994 6 лет назад

    A great video~! It makes me wonder if you plan to cover more cultures other than the Romans and Greeks. Perhaps Parthia, China and Celts soon?

  • @adisamsy
    @adisamsy 3 года назад

    this just gave me an idea what strategy I'm going to use in total war rome 2

  • @lars9063
    @lars9063 6 лет назад +2

    Could you please do a series about the 80 years' war and the rise of the Dutch republic some time?

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад +1

      It is on the list and will happen down the line.

  • @eliteexpression
    @eliteexpression 3 года назад

    Can't have an accurate video on Roman history without TWR2 Divide et Impera shots

  • @alexanderson4880
    @alexanderson4880 6 лет назад +79

    So romans were furries? 'otherwise known as a fursuit or fursona'

    • @Rezkeshdadesh
      @Rezkeshdadesh 6 лет назад +3

      Not sure if a joke or some obscure legit trivia I'd not heard before.

    • @traceletz6786
      @traceletz6786 6 лет назад +3

      This is what happens when you mix and match your religion with a bunch of heathens who believe there gods are some random ass animal. Now we have Romans who believe they're Dog kin.

    • @39Chevy
      @39Chevy 6 лет назад

      I loled.

    • @EmporerAaron
      @EmporerAaron 5 лет назад

      I also seem to recall such tales were a part of their culture in numerous ways.

    • @libertyprime6932
      @libertyprime6932 3 года назад

      If that's the first thing you think of when you see animal skins that says a lot more about you :P

  • @GhostofNr9
    @GhostofNr9 6 лет назад

    The Velites probably, like skirmishers in other armies at the time, furhtermore had the function to disguise the movement of infantry behind them and lure enemy skirmishers into wasting their ammunition. They likely also were very useful, when the other units had to pass hard terrain: if for example the formation had to pass a rock or a small, steep hill that would hinder the closing of the formation, the velites would occupy and defend this position till the other units passed beyond it. Moreover it is likely, that, if needed, they could provide throwin spears for hastati or principes, if they ran out of them and they would be useful for them again. Since after the Marian reform, the legionair was required to learn how to fight with sword, spear and, what most peope don`t realize, also slingshot, the Velites probably also used the latter, but as a last resort. A sling could be worn around the arm or the head, added almost no noticable weight and it was easy to find ammunition for it - an advantage the throwing spear could not provide.

  • @Flavius_Claudius_Julianus
    @Flavius_Claudius_Julianus 6 лет назад

    No "Ad triarios redisse" this time; this video is a success.

  • @TheStrossicro
    @TheStrossicro 6 лет назад +2

    Would you be interested in making a video about an admiral also ;). The Battle of Vis 1866 is a nice, little known david vs goliath event.

  • @VinzRex
    @VinzRex 6 лет назад

    A truly great video, as always, but I like to make one correction here:
    As far as I know, one singular spear is called a "pilum", and "pila" is only the plural. Saw that mistake in a few comments and I think you also said "pila" referring to a singular pilum at 5:31.

  • @AcrBlade
    @AcrBlade 6 лет назад

    That EU4 reference, so gooood))

  • @youcefguenaoua
    @youcefguenaoua 6 лет назад

    Please do a documentary about the Punic wars.

  • @gabrielhoffman4897
    @gabrielhoffman4897 6 лет назад +5

    BRAZIL!!!! We love u Kings and Generals!

    • @KingsandGenerals
      @KingsandGenerals  6 лет назад

    • @jrvitorio599
      @jrvitorio599 6 лет назад

      Ajudaria muito mais caso houvesse LEGENDAS em português... Ajudaria a popularizar.

  • @hidalgoyakerson1598
    @hidalgoyakerson1598 6 лет назад +1

    I hope you will do Carthage Next before the Gauls.

  • @maverikmiller6746
    @maverikmiller6746 6 лет назад +1

    10:17 Good graphics idea. Please use more Grand Strategy Game-like graphics so that everyone can understand more easily.

  • @קובישובי-ו8ח
    @קובישובי-ו8ח 6 лет назад +1

    Tnx
    Very intersting

  • @isaacclark9245
    @isaacclark9245 6 лет назад +1

    Just awesome

  • @noahhorner231
    @noahhorner231 3 года назад +1

    9:18 SOCII EQUITES EXTRAORDINARII!

  • @isaacwest
    @isaacwest 6 лет назад +1

    'wolfskin headdress otherwise known as a fursuit or fursona' im fucking dead

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 6 лет назад +1

    Do the Theme system next :)

  • @UpcycleElectronics
    @UpcycleElectronics 6 лет назад +2

    5:41
    - Cog -
    👏

  • @hatmcshooty
    @hatmcshooty 4 года назад

    Hnnng, gotta watch all videos containing Roman military so my DND sessions seem interesting

  • @dorylaions
    @dorylaions 6 лет назад

    10:20 gotto love that eu4 reference

  • @AsepTravels
    @AsepTravels 6 лет назад +1

    Can you guys do a video on Carthaginian troops during the punic wars?

  • @Ppanos423
    @Ppanos423 6 лет назад

    Great video! I was always fascinated by roman military tactics and especially the Triplex Acies. But my question is, how they actually did it? To swap troops in the mids of battle while they were engaged with the enemy soldiers? Imagine being a hastati holding the line, exchanging blows with the man in front of you, standing shield by shield with your comrades. And then commands are shouted and you have to retreat in order to give your position to the incoming from behind you Principes. How do you retreat while the enemy's shield is bumping yours. Wont he stab you in the back? How even the armored Pricipes actually managed to fit through the ranks of the engaged in combat without causing havoc to the troops?
    And if the roman army was actually in a chess board formation (like in this video and every other depiction) and the troops passed through those huge gaps in between, wouldn't the enemy try to make use of them and break the roman formation? Lindybeige talks about this question in a video on the Triplex Acies and says that some people even say that this formation is actually a myth and did not work in the way we think of it today.
    Again great video. Love your channel.

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 6 лет назад +1

      A maniple, during closed fight, was not a shield wall like the hoplite phalanx. To hit alternatively with the gladius and the scutum, a legionary needed space around him and, contrary to the phalanx, where the phalangites in second and third line could hit with the spears over the shoulders of those in first line, in a maniple only the legionary in first line could reach the enemy.
      You can see that modern day boxers are well trained fighters, they fight in rounds of three minutes, they don't hit all the time, they don't have to lift an heavy sword and shield, but, near the end of the match, they have problems in keeping their guard high.
      It's evident that a legionary couldn't have fought if first line for much more than a minute, or it would have become a static target uncapable to fight back, and a battle could last for hours. Nor we can think that the legionaries in frst line were supposed to simply stand there until they were killed, while those in the subsequent lines did absolutely nothing, simply waiting for all the ones in front of them to be slaughtered to see the enemy.
      So, when the centurio gave the command, the first line simply slided back, shield high, in the gaps between the columns and took position at the back of the formation. Being a maniple composed of two centurie of 80 men, we can suppose that a maniple tipically fought in a 20X8 formation, so every legionary fought in first line for about a minute, giving it all, and then could rest for about seven minutes first to be in first line again.
      That way a maniple of hastati could fight for more than an hour first to be worn out, and at that point it was replaced by the principes exactly the same way, with the maniple of the hastati sliding back between the columns of the principes.
      It's higly improbable that the maniples would have mantained the checkered formation during fight. That would have denegated the mobility of the maniples, since every maniple would have been turned into a static fortress surrounded by enemies.

    • @Ppanos423
      @Ppanos423 6 лет назад +1

      Thanks for the answer. It was very enlightening. I am gonna research it more when I get the chance to understand the whole subject more.

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 6 лет назад +1

      You are welcome. It had to be added that the checkered formation was instead very useful in deployment, since, at the same time, every maniple had space around to move, and the commander of the army knew where every maniple was (he had not an eagle eye view on the battlefield, he was simply on horseback, so, with the triplex acies, he knew exactly where every maniple was supposed to be).