The CPUs You've NEVER Heard Of

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    Intel and AMD weren't always the only games in town. Here are some higher-end processors that made a splash back in the day.
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  • @Alvin853
    @Alvin853 Год назад +1635

    Remember when all CPUs would fit into the same motherboard? So you don't need to swap motherboards going from Intel to AMD or back.

  • @coolbrotherf127
    @coolbrotherf127 Год назад +261

    The 80s and 90s were a crazy time for the desktop computer market. No one really knew what was going to catch on so companies would just show up out of nowhere, release some niche item and have some success but then not be able to follow up and disappear a few years later.

    • @durdy911
      @durdy911 Год назад +15

      With all the patent trolling and anti competitive behavior of the current landscape it near impossible for us to see innovation emerge out of the blue like before. AMD has done a good job but all these cpus and technology just feel the same.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper Год назад +8

      @@durdy911 That's partly because while they'll improve in high demand tasks, the only way people see an improvement on casual tasks is when a company releases a new, even less impressive, OS that drains more resources for little to no discernible benefit to the user

    • @VRavTech
      @VRavTech Год назад +8

      It's crazy how fast 3dfx rise and fell. For a few years it was dominating, and then died immediately

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys Год назад +4

      Hold onto your hats, ARM and RISC-V are coming.

    • @SahilP2648
      @SahilP2648 Год назад

      @@InfernosReaper I think you are talking about Windows 7 vs 11. I do agree with you since Windows 11 sucks ass in terms of resource management but his comment makes sense. Capitalism failed when innovation was strictly bound to 3 companies in the PC space- AMD, Intel and Nvidia. Capitalism is supposed to be a system to coax companies out of their comfort zone and put innovation at the forefront for competition and market share, but instead, these companies have become complacent and incompetent. It's kind of ridiculous if you think about it. The only reason Intel's recent CPUs even managed to get some performance boost between generations 11 and 12 was because of Apple's M1 series chips which were much more powerful than the 11th gen Intel laptop chips. Till that time, for whatever reason, Intel had the majority market share for laptop chips, and AMD too wasn't too better off. It would have been amazing to see maybe 5-10 companies designing hardware instead of the normal 3, maybe 4. In the mobile Android market we see, or at least used to see a lot of companies creating their own chips for their own phones. A lot easier to do since the company can dictate everything from the motherboard to the SoC to the camera hardware, but still, this could have been done with the correct legislation on the PC side, but hasn't been done yet. With RISC-V and ARM on Windows (which still sucks ass app compatibility wise), there is some potential for other companies to start creating chips for PCs, although those will be limited to laptops mostly. But that also applies to the PC OS market. I would have liked to run Ubuntu or some version of Linux as my main OS but the driver and app support simply does not exist. In the current landscape it simply is pick your poison and deal with it.

  • @s2turbine
    @s2turbine Год назад +531

    To tie this into your recent short:
    Because DVD players were so expensive when they appeared, I built my folks a machine with an Cyrix processor, a DVD-Rom, and RGB out, because it was cheaper than a DVD player!

    • @nyr4942
      @nyr4942 Год назад +14

      give me your kindey

    • @deeplaysgaming4754
      @deeplaysgaming4754 Год назад +72

      most people just bought a ps2. not having dvd also killed dreamcast.

    • @TabbyEgg312
      @TabbyEgg312 Год назад +14

      @@nyr4942 kindey

    • @Coolman13355
      @Coolman13355 Год назад +5

      ​@Dee plays Gaming I don't think that in of itself would've saved the DC.

    • @SmallPaul.
      @SmallPaul. Год назад +4

      ​@Dee plays Gaming yup rather than buy a did player we bought a ps2 used it to watch movies more than game lol

  • @evilbred974
    @evilbred974 Год назад +83

    I had a Cyrix CPU in my second computer when I was in High School. It was fantastic until Quake became popular. It took forever to figure out why it wouldn't run Quake well (or usually at all). It was before the internet was hugely popular, so finding information to solve my problem was very difficult.

    • @pabblo1
      @pabblo1 Год назад +4

      Don't forget the VIA C3 and C7.

    • @David-rx5eo
      @David-rx5eo Год назад +1

      @RogerWilco99 I read the magazines, but don't forget about the dialup Bulletin Boards.

    • @TheLionAndTheLamb777
      @TheLionAndTheLamb777 Год назад

      @@pabblo1 Those were some seriously slow processors

    • @bobzeepl
      @bobzeepl Год назад

      I played Half life (Quake engine) on Cyrix M II just fine back then. Well tbh I also play (NOW!) Quake quite fine on a 486 (@160MHz) with a Riva TNT :)

    • @richard.20000
      @richard.20000 Год назад +3

      Cyrix M1 ... AKA Cyrix 6x86 or IBM 6x86 or ST 6x86
      - this CPU had weak FPU
      - lack of MMX
      - lack of some Pentium 586 instructions (hence some SW incompatibility and patches needed)
      Cyrix M2 .... IBM 6x86MX
      - improved FPU (as fast as AMD K6, still slower than Pentium)
      - added MMX
      For that reason the game play on M1 vs. M2 was huge difference in Quake. People tend to mix all Cyrix CPU into same bag.
      # There was also simplified M1 into 486 socket: Cyrix 5x86.
      M1 was the world's 1st CPU with Out Of Order speculative execution (few months before P6 Intel Pentium Pro arrived, predecessor of PII and PIII which were also P6 family).
      Cyrix 5x86 was basically Pentium Pro/ Pentium II into 486 socket (while Intel Pentium Overdrive into 486 was just old In-Order P5 CPU architecture).
      # There was also AMD K5, 1st AMD's developed CPU (all previous from Am8088, 386, 486 and 586 were cloned Intel). K5 was RISC Am29000 with x86 decoder glued on - probably 1st x86 CPU ever (since then every x86 CPU is internally RISC based).
      # There were also NexGen CPUs into Socket 7 .... later bought by AMD and so K6 was born. AMD bought Cyrix Media GX which was first x86 System on Chip (named AMD Geode).
      # There were also Rise MP6 .... very advanced uarchitecture (OoO), similar to Cyrix. It had in INT exe the highest IPC from Socket 7 CPUs. However it came too late in 1998 when Intel had Pentium II and AMD was introducing Slot A and iconic Athlon K7 in 1999.
      # I must not forget the cheapest Socket 7 CPU which was the IDT Winchip - simple In-Order CPU with high clocks but low/tragic performance. An incompetence was that later VIA bought IDT and Cyrix, and management decided to focus on IDT outdated dead-end in-order architecture instead modern Cyrix's OoO. This decided their future and they burried also S3 GPUs and huge motherboard chipset business (VIA had majority in chipsets for both Intel and AMD). That management was really something.
      Anyway, it's fascinating that in 90's anybody could get x86 license and develop it's own CPU into one universal and common Socket Super 7. I hope somebody will bring open source socket and ISA to do it again in the future.

  • @GeoStreber
    @GeoStreber Год назад +93

    You forgot a few important ones.
    Most noteably the Transmeta Crusoe and Efficeon chips. Those were insane.

    • @travisjones6645
      @travisjones6645 Год назад +3

      Don't Forget Itanium or the Pentium Pro!

    • @theseob
      @theseob Год назад +11

      Via, texas instruments, ibm, rise, , nexgen, chips and technologie also made cpu’s for the x86 architecture.

    • @dr4d1s
      @dr4d1s Год назад +1

      ​@@theseob Cyrix

    • @carnotantonioromero3024
      @carnotantonioromero3024 Год назад +3

      @@theseob I don't remember a TI x86. IBM basically cross-licensed Cyrix's part and made it in their fabs. Nexgen... I don't remember whether they shipped a product before being acquired by AMD (and turned into the basis for the pretty K6 if I remember). Chips and Technologies... erm... Well, you got me there, I have a vague recollection. Via is actually sort of still out there if you google them. IDT, which was acquired by VIA eventually. Man, time passes.

    • @gorkskoal9315
      @gorkskoal9315 Год назад +1

      Yep a FPGA wasn't it? he also forgot the PowerPC, and eh well most of apples custom jobs (get it? jobs bwahahahahah I slay me!) anyway, from what I recall apple was using semi-customised CPUs built on the RISC architecture. Which, on paper at atleast, would spank intel stuff for anything that mattered. But history happened.

  • @Biglanjiao69
    @Biglanjiao69 Год назад +303

    It is a little disappointing how there's only 2 real competitors in the CPU market

    • @kodaloid
      @kodaloid Год назад +55

      You mean leaders at the high end, there's plenty of competition at the mid and lower end parts of the spectrum. Including Arm which now powers Apple and Windows PC's, and Risc-V which looks to have it's first devices arriving soon too.

    • @danymend5797
      @danymend5797 Год назад +48

      @Float Samples Bharath " Coz they are the only companies who produces CPU for desktops and laptops meanwhile others companies might produce for consoles or something"
      AMD pretty much dominate the Console market in terms of hardware, they have their hardware in the latests consoles PS4-PS5 Xbox One-Xbox series S/X, Steam deck
      The only exception is the Nintendo switch with their ARM Nvidia Chip
      The only reason they are the ones producing CPU for Desktops and Laptop is because of the patents on X86/X64 architecture, Intel hold the patent but was forced to share it by IBM (In the times where IBM computers dominated the market) so the only surviving company that still as the patent share is AMD, the other ones have all been buyed or gone bankrupt, or both.
      "Why don't people use other architecture?" The thing is that X86 was here for so long that it's gonna take a lot of time for people to transition for something like ARM and it's gonna cost a lot of money, so why bother when X86 processor are still pretty good?

    • @jayhill2193
      @jayhill2193 Год назад +9

      @Float Samples Bharath
      AMD is the last competitor standing that has the permission to design and produce x86 CPUs. Intel gave these out to a number of comapnies, but they all went out of business.

    • @shekhinah5985
      @shekhinah5985 Год назад +13

      Hopefully x86 will die sooner or later.

    • @redlt194
      @redlt194 Год назад +24

      @@jayhill2193 AMD and Intel have had a cross licsencing agreement forever it seems. Since Intel created x86 and AMD created x86-64 they basically need each other.

  • @savagepro9060
    @savagepro9060 Год назад +148

    My first computer was in the 80s, a 8088 CPU at 5 MHz, with a whopping 64Kb of RAM. It came with double 5.25" floppy disks, and an amber screen. It had DOS, a beautiful operating system. Still today I mistype CLS when clearing the screen in Linux. Oh, and because of my old interaction with DOS, I find using Linux' command line interface easy.

    • @joey.99
      @joey.99 Год назад +2

      Old man

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 Год назад +10

      @@joey.99 thank you..th

    • @the_kombinator
      @the_kombinator Год назад

      I use DOS almost every day for gaming :D

    • @savagepro9060
      @savagepro9060 Год назад +2

      @@the_kombinator gaming was crazy, I used to car race, it was fast, with keyboard controls🤣😂😅

    • @sneakycactus8815
      @sneakycactus8815 Год назад +11

      @@savagepro9060 based old man. I've got a lot of respect for those who ventured into the PC world back in the the old days. Those were some hardcore times. Screwing with jumpers alone was a major pain, let alone trying to make sure your parts are compatible as they did not have any kind of compatibility checkers back then. AND THE SOFTWARE ISSUES (which could be caused by hardware issues, or both at the same time. fun!). If you built a PC pre internet, you couldn't just download a patch to fix a malfunctioning piece of software, and you definitely couldn't be sure you were getting the latest version. you would have to wait till they could mail you a floppy or memory card with the patch/latest build and that could take months, if they even bothered to at all! I've gotta say we have it waayy easier nowadays with PCs. Though they still come with their frustrations as it seems like there's always something screwed up on your computer that you have to fix and troubleshoot. such is the life of owning a PC in any era.

  • @mikksaia8373
    @mikksaia8373 Год назад +519

    Anthony is a good host.I always enjoy him talking about tech.

    • @Freestyle80
      @Freestyle80 Год назад +24

      The simps have risen again

    • @MrAnderson31
      @MrAnderson31 Год назад +15

      he's my favorite

    • @spreadneck2063
      @spreadneck2063 Год назад

      @@Freestyle80 You contribute nothing to the world and never will

    • @hemant3332
      @hemant3332 Год назад +2

      Not better than Linus

    • @zenovak5177
      @zenovak5177 Год назад +27

      His voice is just clear and crisps. Audiobook standards

  • @gwgux
    @gwgux Год назад +51

    They should do a follow up video. There's Motorola, MOS, PPC, and SPARC to cover as well. While this video primarily focused on CPUs that could run the x86 instruction set, it's important to note that there were other architectures competing at the time too and some of them are still around today and it's not just RISC and ARM either.

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +3

      Motorola 680x0 was the architecture of choice for Unix workstations, until RISC came along and completely blew it away. The Zilog Z8000 also had some presence in this market, pre-RISC.
      Anybody else remember the NatSemi NS32000 series? And there were the WDC 65816/65832 chips, which aimed to be like the 6502, only better.

    • @edstar83
      @edstar83 Год назад +4

      Commodore Amiga Master Race.

    • @EkiToji
      @EkiToji Год назад +1

      The Motorola 6800 was quite the chip when it came out but was absolutely trounced in cost by the MOS 6502. It's really pretty crazy chips originating in the 70s still have a role today in embedded systems, with the WDC 65C02 being a CMOS improvement of the 6502 and the Zilog eZ80 still being binary compatible with the Z80.

    • @AndrewTSq
      @AndrewTSq Год назад +1

      @@edstar83 so many arcade machines were also based on 68k cpus with zilog z80 for handling sound. Kind of cool that many arcade games were multicore back in the 80ies :D Just a game like Segas OutRun had 2 68000 cpus and one Z80 cpu running at the same time, so basicly a 3 core setup :O

    • @gorkskoal9315
      @gorkskoal9315 Год назад

      @@EkiToji lol yes! this this this this this this!

  • @saintuk70
    @saintuk70 Год назад +77

    Without even looking - Cyrix, IBM, AMD, Intel....all went into systems in the mid to late 90's

    • @andy56duky
      @andy56duky Год назад +6

      Back when the competition was stronger.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat Год назад

      Fairchild ?

    • @Rolatnor
      @Rolatnor Год назад

      RISC

    • @mendoxx097
      @mendoxx097 Год назад +2

      and the NEC, MOS and Motorolas for even older times

    • @Rolatnor
      @Rolatnor Год назад

      And I don't mean RISC-V which is the newer version

  • @sinax8283
    @sinax8283 Год назад +20

    I have never seen a complete ownership timeline but I think VIA Technologies now own all the Cyrix IP. Their C3 and C7 CPUs were derived from it with production still going on for the market in China. VIA also have the old S3 Graphics IP so could probably produce a complete x86 / x64 platform if they wanted (and as they did with EPIA line up until about 10 years ago)

    • @jecelassumpcaojr890
      @jecelassumpcaojr890 Год назад +3

      The high end of Cyrix went to VIA while the low end went to National who then resold it to AMD. The most famous used of the AMD Geode (from Cyrix) was the first "One Laptop Per Child" machine.

    • @GGigabiteM
      @GGigabiteM Год назад

      The VIA C3 and C7 were NOT based on Cyrix's designs. VIA bought another small company named Centaur Technology, which was responsible for the IDT Winchip line. The C3 and C7 are based on Centaur technology, nothing of Cyrix was used besides the moniker. By the time VIA got to Cyrix, it was a hollowed out shell of a company, being mismanaged to oblivion by NSC before it.
      It wasn't quite the death of Cyrix's technology though. During the liquidation of NSC, AMD ended up with the IP for the Cyrix MediaGX, which was a Cyrix 586 system on a chip. AMD renamed it to the Geode GX and did some minor development with the architecture into the late 2000s and early 2010s. The final culmination would be the Geode LX, which AMD sold into the late 2010s before discontinuing. The subsequent Geode NX is based on the old Athlon XP-M architecture and isn't related.
      I have a Geode GX in one of AMD's failed "50x15 initiative" PCs, it's quite dreadful. While AMD did increase the clock speed, they didn't do anything else to improve the efficiency of the architecture, or do anything to bring it into modern times with newer instruction sets. It's basically a really fast 586, still stuck in limbo architecturally between a 486 and Pentium. The FPU sucks and it barely runs Windows XP. The 50x15 PC originally came with a locked BIOS and locked down Windows CE, but there's a payload you can run to unlock Windows CE and reflash the unlocked BIOS to run other operating systems.
      Centaur Technology on the other hand still lives on today. It made its way into Chinese x86 CPUs "Zhaoxin" and was recently bought up by Intel, though that will probably the end of them.

  • @zdanee
    @zdanee Год назад +26

    One more interesting competitor was the Transmeta Crusoe which was a RISC CPU that emulated x86 on-the-fly to run Windows, while using one tenth of the power a similarly powerful native x86 CPU would take. Sony used them in the Vaio U1 notebook.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper Год назад +3

      Also left out PPC in general, while not exactly obscure, anyone who came onto the scene after a certain point didn't even know about it outside of Apple products

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper Год назад +2

      @@nemesis2264 Those Amigas were ahead of their time. With some better management in the company, they would have changed the PC world

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад

      Linus Torvalds worked for Transmeta for a time.
      Unfortunately, their products never quite fulfilled the promise.

    • @pabblo1
      @pabblo1 Год назад

      Also, another interesting company was VIA Technologies, which made many x86-compatible budget CPUs.

    • @valenrn8657
      @valenrn8657 Год назад +1

      Transmeta Crusoe was VLIW CPU design. The second-generation Transmeta Efficeon design has a 256-bit-wide VLIW core versus the 128-bit core of the Crusoe.
      The Crusoe is a VLIW microprocessor that executes bundles of instructions, termed molecules by Transmeta. Each molecule contains multiple instructions, termed atoms. The Code Morphing Software translates x86 instructions into native instructions. The native instructions are 32 bits long. Instructions that meet a set of conditions can be executed simultaneously and are combined to form a 64- or 128-bit molecule containing two or four atoms, respectively. In the event that there are not enough instructions to fill a molecule, the software inserts NOPs as padding to fill out empty slots. This is required in all VLIW architectures and is criticized for being inefficient, which is why there are molecules of two separate lengths.
      In terms of X86 efficiency, Transmeta Efficeon was superior when compared to VLIW-EPIC-based Intel Itanium.

  • @dennisfahey2379
    @dennisfahey2379 Год назад +14

    You need to do a segment on memory limitations of these early processors. People will laugh at the need for LIM EMS (Lotus, Intel, Microsoft Expanded Memory System). With the original PC only supporting 1MB of addressable RAM and Spreadsheets (the first KillerApp) needing much more memory (DOS was not a virtual memory OS) - they created a memory paging scheme that allowed you to put more memory on an expansion card and select a page at a time for use. Future processors expanded the addressable RAM to 16MB and the EMS died a natural death. The original PC was so deliberately cobbled by IBM that anything that needed resources became an add-in card. For example if you wanted to run CAD you bought the software and a full blown secondary computer plug in card to run it - just using the host PC as an IO processor really. Servicable 2D and 3D graphics started this way as they pre-dated Windows and the GUI. (Although CP/M's creator was first to market with a GUI called GEM. IBM released TopView.)
    In fact, another fun Teckquickie would be a recap of the Great GUI Wars! (Note Apple was not first - not by a long shot.)

    • @billmiller4800
      @billmiller4800 Год назад

      Yes! Lets hear about Extended and Expanded RAM and how they interacted with the first1MB of RAM (minus the ROM holes). And how the 8086, 80286 and 80386 had different memory access capabilities and hence different memory capacities and access methods. HIMEM.SYS anyone?

    • @David-rx5eo
      @David-rx5eo Год назад

      Remember the LH (load high) command for drivers? I actually worked on one machine that was running Windows 1.0. I say machine, because it was not a PC, but rather a machine at a water yard, and this was around the time that Windows 95 was out.

  • @FAWWKKYEAHH
    @FAWWKKYEAHH Год назад +15

    Nice video dude

  • @ogrejd
    @ogrejd Год назад +9

    I had a VIA C3 (they owned Cyrix at the time), back in the day. The lack of an FPU absolutely slaughtered the CPU's performance, even on pre-Quake games. :(

    • @kingjmac80
      @kingjmac80 Год назад

      My first PC that I built myself when I was a young lad had a VIA too! It was awful 🤣

    • @BrianG61UK
      @BrianG61UK Год назад

      @@kingjmac80 VIA chipsets were pretty bad too.

    • @FixedFunction
      @FixedFunction Год назад +2

      C3 has an FPU it's just dog slow. C3 also has some of the first incarnations of power and turbo clock states, as well as a dedicated AES and RNG cryptography chip.

  • @ionicwake
    @ionicwake Год назад +29

    More tech history with Anthony! There's tons of content to be had.

  • @michaelwright2986
    @michaelwright2986 Год назад +7

    Takes me back--I remember, with much trepidation, easing out the CPU to fit a V20. I think that was after I installed my first HDD: after much deliberation, I decided I'd go big, and bought a 20MB unit.

  • @grapsorz
    @grapsorz Год назад +2

    hmm VIA was not mention. next gen and Transmeta is names i remember well. and chipset companies like SIS and CHIPS made CPU alternativs.

  • @bmx135536
    @bmx135536 Год назад +25

    You should do more history episodes like these. 👍

  • @notenoughmonkeys
    @notenoughmonkeys Год назад +3

    Had a Cyrix 6x86 back in the day... it was fine doe Doom / Duke Nukem 3D etc., but the moment that FPU was needed, not a good time. That was the last pre-built I ever got, if I'm going to make a compromise in any of the components of my setup, I want to be the one making them.

  • @cromulence
    @cromulence Год назад +5

    You should've mentioned transmeta! Fascinating chips from the turn of the century which were not x86 but instead used 'code morphing' to run x86 code.

  • @SerCommander
    @SerCommander Год назад +1

    Interesting tidbit - as part of USSR chip program back in 70s-80s there was a separate institute in Kyiv, Ukraine for designing chips. They were different, not compatiable with x86 architecture. Chiefs in Moscow admitted that they had made a mistake of trying to make chips different and not compatiable with x86 and cut funding for alternative program.
    But Kyiv branch literally rebelled in secret and continued their development. USSR fell, 90s came and lack of funding ended the story with no traces of chips or documentation.
    What is interesting is that the chips were not powerful enough, not x86 and SUSPICIOUSLY looked like ACORN, ARM1, ARM2. As they proved to be comercially unsuccessful and could not compete with dominating x86, domestic clones/copycats were killed off not to waste money.
    I saw documentary/interview on TV abot two decades ago, could not find it on the net. I tried to get my hands on some documentation/chips as a rare collectible that could be resold but ended up empty handed

  • @richardbenjamin8535
    @richardbenjamin8535 Год назад +3

    Like GeoStreber said, you left out a lot. You mentioned the 8080 chips but ignored Zilog and the Z-80. I also worked for a company called NexGen that made an 8086 or pc compatible chip. They were eventually bought out by AMD.

    • @desktopecho
      @desktopecho Год назад

      Hands-down weirdest x86 board and CPU I ever worked on. 1995 felt like I was working on alien technology. Alaris boards and CPU fab by IBM microelectronics. Had to replace an SMT resistor on the first batch of NxPCI boards, good times!

  • @thiagoassisfernandes
    @thiagoassisfernandes Год назад +2

    I need a linux channel with Antony, the way he explains stuff >>>

  • @Xorthis
    @Xorthis Год назад +3

    Quake, the game that actually killed an entire company because it was in such high demand.

  • @davidwaldram594
    @davidwaldram594 Год назад +2

    Anthony's hair is looking amazing.

  • @DDosAndDonts
    @DDosAndDonts Год назад +14

    It's been a while since we saw Anthony, he's such a good host :3
    Please make him host LTT videos again

    • @Freestyle80
      @Freestyle80 Год назад +4

      he gets creeped out by you simps thats why he stopped

    • @ogreeni
      @ogreeni Год назад

      @@Freestyle80 now you know why

  • @sweatbox128
    @sweatbox128 Год назад +2

    have to say, anthony's hair is on point in this one

  • @ronbpix
    @ronbpix Год назад +3

    This video gave me a trip down the computing memory lane. I knew all those things that Anthony was talking about. A blast from the past you might say. 😃👍

  • @Starfals
    @Starfals Год назад +1

    Sure wish we had more players in the game. At least the GPU game got a bit more interesting with Intel in it. Maybe Nvidia should start making CPU's too lol. Altho, knowing them... they will cost 2000 dollars LOL

  • @Amber_Oakheart
    @Amber_Oakheart Год назад +39

    Love Emily as a host. She is such a great presenter! It would be awesome to get more computer history and retro computer videos with her :D

  • @weepingscorpion8739
    @weepingscorpion8739 Год назад +2

    Well, NEC and Cyrix are pretty well known though. The Mach 10 and 20 a bit less so. But I was kinda hoping to see the WinChip and the mP6. Those two are quite fascinating. :)

    • @poofygoof
      @poofygoof Год назад +1

      whole video seemed like a lead-in to VIA, Vortex (S3), and Geode (AMD) but didn't make it over the line...

    • @weepingscorpion8739
      @weepingscorpion8739 Год назад +1

      @@poofygoof Gee, thanks... now I have a few more processor to add to my collection :D but nah, thanks genuinely. I had forgotten about some of these. Geode in particular. I don't remember Vortex though but sounds interesting.

  • @PaulLemars01
    @PaulLemars01 Год назад +3

    My history of microprocessors you young'uns have apparently never heard of; 6809, 6502, Z80, Motorola 6800/1/2/3/4, IBM Power PC, Itanium and various Mips processors that eventually ended up in Silicon Graphics. You missed a few Anthony.
    And yes, I know there are a load more but I never played with them.

    • @OliverQueen1974
      @OliverQueen1974 Год назад

      Without NexGen, AMD wouldn’t be where they are now. If they had not have bought the company & rebadged the RISC architecture of the next generation NexGen processor as the K6, then they would probably be lagging behind Intel further than they were in the Bulldozer days until Ryzen.

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад

      Intel iAPX 432, the Ada machine!

  • @FarrellMcGovern
    @FarrellMcGovern Год назад +1

    I worked in a clone shop in the 1980s, and we built systems, first Apple 2, then IBM PC, and finally IBM ATs. Towards the end of the PC/XT days, NEC's V20 parts helped extend the live of the PC/XT archetcure. In fiddling around on a day with no customers, I played around with the XT 10MHz system, benchmarking 8088 vs V20 chip. And I found out that the 8MHz V20 CPU actually ran *Faster* than the 10MHz part when running the system at 10MHz...I guess I am, technically, one of the first CPU overclockers...running an 8MHz part at 10MHz...And it was fast! It was on par, or better than IBM AT 6MHz or 8MHz! I had built one of these super XTs for myself, and eventually ended up selling it SF writer S.M. Stirling. Fun times!

  • @dbod4866
    @dbod4866 Год назад +3

    I had several Cyrix processors. 486DLC33. Several in the 386 class. I also owned an IBM Blue Lightening 486SLC2-66... It was so fast.

  • @XzTS-Roostro
    @XzTS-Roostro Год назад +4

    My immediate family had a PowerSpec PC from the mid-1990s that ran on a Cyrix MediaGX, which was one of the first modern APUs at the time.
    Meanwhile, I had an AST Bravo P series from the mid-1990s that ran on an Intel Pentium CPU and an integrated ATi GPU.

  • @subbookkeeper
    @subbookkeeper Год назад +3

    forgot to mention IDT Winchip and 486SLC that were made in the mid 90s for the budget builds. Also there was NEC V30 that was almost as fast as 286 but way cheaper.

    • @greggv8
      @greggv8 Год назад +1

      The V30 was fully 16 bit like the intel 8086 and was a drop in replacement.

  • @jomirife
    @jomirife Год назад +1

    I have Intel, AMD and ARM. I need to, because I have to create content for my youtube channel 😉

  • @Henchman1977
    @Henchman1977 Год назад +3

    I was in the PC business during the Cyrix CPUs era (the dark times). They also made 386/486 "upgrade" chips... They were all nightmares. Huge compatibility issues.

    • @D3M3NT3Dstrang3r
      @D3M3NT3Dstrang3r Год назад +1

      Good old Evergreen Technologies, with jumpers on the actual processors to set speeds lol.

    • @Henchman1977
      @Henchman1977 Год назад +1

      @@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r setting jumpers was an art form.... Especially for the displayed CPU speed on the front of the case!

    • @D3M3NT3Dstrang3r
      @D3M3NT3Dstrang3r Год назад

      @@Henchman1977 I remember being very happy when motherboard manufacturers changed from jumpers to dip switches.

  • @thibni_
    @thibni_ Год назад +5

    We don't see this guy on the channel anymore 🤷🤔

  • @AyeeSecret
    @AyeeSecret Год назад +6

    Good to know the aspect ratio also went retro!

  • @angeldelvax7219
    @angeldelvax7219 Год назад +3

    I had quite the collection back in the day. Including intel, AMD, NEC and cyrix! Cyrix mostly 486 variants. The others all from 8080 to 80386.

  • @KaiZeEKing
    @KaiZeEKing Год назад +9

    When I watch this, I think about how I'm so glad that computers have come to the place that they are today. We might have some struggles today (why can't I play cyberpunk in 4k with RT at 240 FPS????!!!!) but man has technology evolved. I am fascinated by early day computers and appreciate coverage of this. Thanks, Anthony ^_^

  • @nopadelik9286
    @nopadelik9286 Год назад +1

    Forgetting Centaur/VIA/Zhaoxin as the third x86 license holder is quite surprising imho. The WinChip series was a low-power Socket 7-based x86 processor designed by Centaur Technology and marketed by its parent company IDT. Later on VIA bought Centaur, and with this deal VIA became the third of only three licensed x86 manufacturers (intel, AMD, VIA) till today. Centaur's / VIA's license still gets used till today by the only chinese x86 cpu manufacturer Zhaoxin. Copy&paste from wikipedia-article :
    "Zhaoxin is a joint venture between VIA Technologies and the Shanghai Municipal Government.[1] In 2021 it was reported that VIA has a 14.75% shareholding in the company.[5] China has a domestic policy to "replace all foreign hardware and software from its public infrastructure with homegrown solutions" by 2023 (the so-called 3-5-2 policy).[6] VIA holds a x86 licence which allows its subsidiaries to produce compatible microprocessors; this allows Zhaoxin to develop x86 computer chips."

  • @samyeule
    @samyeule Год назад +3

    Loving Anthony's hair

    • @chairwood
      @chairwood Год назад

      how did he fix it

    • @thebreatho
      @thebreatho Год назад

      @@chairwood he took classes with Steve from GamersNexus

  • @enginerd80
    @enginerd80 Год назад +1

    Apparently this was only about PC compatible CPU's. Before PC's became the near-monopoly, there were others, like Motorola, MOS, Zilog.

  • @dvdemon187
    @dvdemon187 Год назад +3

    Hey! I actually had that 166MHz Cyrix CPU back in the day...

    • @stephanking681
      @stephanking681 Год назад

      Funfact it was only 133 😅

    • @dvdemon187
      @dvdemon187 Год назад

      @@stephanking681 Nuh-uh. I still got this thing around somewhere. It was a *Pentium-Rated PR200+ clocked at 166 MHz with a 66 MHz FSB.*
      Back then it was an actual upgrade from my Intel Pentium-S 133MHz. These clock speeds are absolutely hilarious these days. 😂

  • @bricefleckenstein9666
    @bricefleckenstein9666 Год назад +1

    Go back further.
    Zilog and the Z80, that dominated micros for close to 5 years - with it's main competition being the 6502 (and the 6510 offshoot) in Apples and Commodores and "lesser" known stuff.
    Yes, Intel WAS around - trying to push the 8086 as "the real upgrade path" from it's fallen-behind 8080.

  • @pkre707
    @pkre707 Год назад +10

    Damn Anthony’s hair is getting lush

  • @cybernit3
    @cybernit3 Год назад +1

    Its too bad Motorola didn't continue with the 680x0 series (Like how Intel Pentium continued (just today heard intel posted major losses)); but for the Amiga Vampire they have a 68080 cpu. I think with RISC cpus they need more ram.... back in the 80-90s we sure needed less ram, sort of funny comparing to what we need nowadays.

  • @shreks_loins3963
    @shreks_loins3963 Год назад +4

    Anthony is a fantastic host. He is extremely knowledgeable, comes off as very confident and relaxed. Which all make for and very pleasant viewing experience.

  • @dupajasio4801
    @dupajasio4801 Год назад +1

    Bought Cyrix as a second machine for my networking school. It run doughnuts around Intel's Pentium. That's when I stopped believing Intel's marketing. And never came back. I was shocked how much cheaper and better Cyrix was. Loved it.

  • @Crimson-h5u
    @Crimson-h5u Год назад +2

    VIA Eden X2 U4200 on top 🔥🔥🔥

  • @minekey29348
    @minekey29348 Год назад +1

    How about transmeta? I remember hearing a lot about them back in the early early 2000s

  • @rebelmusician
    @rebelmusician Год назад +12

    Damn Anthony hasn’t been on here in ages

  • @CandyGramForMongo_
    @CandyGramForMongo_ Год назад +1

    You get bored writing and finish on the third page of a ten page paper? CPU Galaxy would be so disappointed. You missed so many, 286 and 386 lives matter! 😪

  • @Firepulser
    @Firepulser Год назад +1

    can't give a like for such sparse content.
    So many more CPU types, RISC in particular could have been talked about.

  • @TargetSurvival
    @TargetSurvival Год назад +3

    Trip down memory lane here, nice work Anthony.
    My first Computer I ever built predates CPU's, the Motherboard was a Pro286 with ISA sockets, it had 8 bit sound card, 2mb video and 28k modem was all considered fast back then. No windows just a very early version of DOS as I remember.

  • @tessjdt
    @tessjdt Год назад +1

    Interesting that NextGen wasn't mentioned considering they are the reason AMD are as good as they are today. With out them AMD would have gone the way of Cyrix.

  • @李飛飛大燒B
    @李飛飛大燒B 7 месяцев назад +8

    BRO, he can't even pass a narrow alleyway but he thinks he can pass as an Emily?

  • @cielruby8762
    @cielruby8762 Год назад +1

    I think you forget viatech and zhaoxin, but nice the v20 got a another appearance. some part of nec got spun off into renesas, but nec still makes vector engines.

  • @pikoszkyandras5312
    @pikoszkyandras5312 Год назад +4

    What happened with his tongue? :O

  • @angieandretti
    @angieandretti Год назад +2

    I'm quite familiar with all those CPU's, but I still enjoy hearing about them. The second laptop I ever owned back in 2001 was a Sony Vaio Picturebook with an 867MHz Transmeta Crusoe CPU. My first laptop was a Toshiba Libretto with an overclocked Pentium I, but that Crusoe processor plus an aftermarket quad-size battery give me an insane 14 hour battery life! I've never had another laptop that could do that.

  • @PortfolioPL
    @PortfolioPL Год назад +3

    Anthony time!

  • @BoDiddly
    @BoDiddly Год назад +2

    Excellent video Anthony!
    I remember when I got my first 8088 processor, Epson Equity I+ (the plus was for turbo). I bought it brand new and I think I payed about $2.500 for it.
    It was not my first PC though. The first PC that I owned was a Ti-99/4a and I still have it and it still works!

  • @SoggyCow
    @SoggyCow 10 месяцев назад +4

    what is a woman?

  • @NeverlandSystemZor
    @NeverlandSystemZor Год назад +1

    I actually HAD a Cyrix CPU system once... it was great, until it got outdated and there was no upgrade path.

  • @YourCitizen
    @YourCitizen Год назад +4

    Anthony is growing luscious locks to rival Tech Jesus of Gamer's Nexus

  • @HighguyMcfly
    @HighguyMcfly Год назад +1

    You're rocking a 286?
    Don't make me laugh.
    Your windows boots up in what?
    A day and a half?

  • @montecorbit8280
    @montecorbit8280 Год назад +1

    You forgot to mention that Cyrix is still sort of kicking....VIA still makes chips based on their stuff.

  • @thxdts1999
    @thxdts1999 Год назад +1

    Finally Anthony hosting a video. It became rare... As always an excellent presantation. Sorry my english

  • @DavidBonelo
    @DavidBonelo Год назад +2

    I want to know what shampoo Anthony uses 🤣

  • @andysPARK
    @andysPARK Год назад +1

    Remember the z80 and Motorola 68000 CPUs? They were more interesting IMO :)

  • @kurwamacjebanapizda
    @kurwamacjebanapizda Год назад +1

    Crusoe, alpha, spark, elbrus. Btw if no alpha we wont be using win nt today but os/2.

  • @rchatte100
    @rchatte100 Год назад +1

    Nexgen 686 I think. They were bought by AMD when AMD's K5 was no good.

  • @jaybird57
    @jaybird57 Год назад +1

    Dont forget the NexGen CPU! Had a few of thoes systems back in the 90's.

  • @drewwilson8756
    @drewwilson8756 Год назад +1

    Anthony, its been awhile man. I just want to say your hair is looking fabulous.

  • @brettito
    @brettito Год назад +2

    I can't believe you didn't include IBM-Motorola because it is extremely relevant. Apple deciding to switch chips and locking people out of software updates is an oldie that has since become a hit today.

  • @whosonedphone
    @whosonedphone Год назад +1

    V20 WOW!!! That's the same name as my cell phone. The last cell phone ever made.

  • @clownworld7763
    @clownworld7763 Год назад +1

    Dude is looking more and more like honey boo boo's mom... sorry not trying to be mean but its true...

  • @marsovac
    @marsovac Год назад +2

    No mention of VIA?

  • @gfair2
    @gfair2 Год назад +1

    Those are some esoteric CPUs but I bet most people today know nothing about the even more-recent CPUs of the microcomputer wars in the 90s. DEC Alpha, MIPS R-series, Sun Sparc, then there's the IBM Power series which is still alive and kicking. Also - talking about chips being advanced because they had double the performance is kinda underwhelming - it was peak Moore's Law back then, everything was doubling every 18 months until Silicon circuits hit microwave clock frequencies.

  • @Catzzye
    @Catzzye Год назад +1

    Anthony your hair is looking more fabulous then ever. Keep on rockin

  • @CC01E
    @CC01E Год назад +1

    I’m a simple man. I see Anthony talking about tech, I upvote.

  • @user-sl6kc4yx8z
    @user-sl6kc4yx8z Год назад +1

    Forgot to mention NexGen and their NX5x86 and NX6x86 (RISC86 tm) processors. They were a RISC CPU that ran x86 CISC software.
    NexGen, the company, was acquired by AMD.

    • @OliverQueen1974
      @OliverQueen1974 Год назад

      If AMD had not acquired NexGen, then they probably wouldn’t be anywhere near where they are nowadays as they scrapped the K5 successor that they had designed in-house for the NexGen RISC architecture CPU that they rebadged as the K6.

  • @WedgeBob
    @WedgeBob Год назад +2

    I remember when Cyrix was the third option back in the late '90s, and early 2000s. Just a shame they never really had the popularity after the 64-bit era started up.

  • @Lebon19
    @Lebon19 Год назад +2

    Who remembers early VIA CPUs? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

  • @Fizz-Pop
    @Fizz-Pop Год назад +1

    I started my PC Master Race journey with a Pentium 2 that slotted into the motherboard. Maybe you could do a video about those?

  • @MobtacticsBruh
    @MobtacticsBruh Год назад +1

    Bro… at least clear the boogers out before taking the photo for this video

  • @MrSuspicious0
    @MrSuspicious0 Год назад +1

    Something very satisfying about Anthony saying 8088

  • @Genzzry
    @Genzzry Год назад +1

    Surprised that IDT WinChip was not covered

  • @MegafOfficial
    @MegafOfficial Год назад +1

    You forgot some big ones.
    Transmeta Crusoe
    VIA C3

  • @ecospider5
    @ecospider5 Год назад +1

    I really liked the cyrix chips. I owned a couple of them back in the day.

  • @video99couk
    @video99couk Год назад

    I have a laptop which uses a 1GHz Nehemiah C3 processor by Via. It was branded "Staples" but actually built by NEC.

  • @africa_everyday
    @africa_everyday Год назад +1

    I love this guy ❤❤

  • @ionutortian5885
    @ionutortian5885 Год назад +1

    We need new manufacture in CPU market

  • @TranslucentJuice
    @TranslucentJuice Год назад +1

    For the record, Anthony's hair is fire in this EP. haha

  • @saturn_in_blue
    @saturn_in_blue Год назад +1

    Anthony what did you do to your hair? It looks great.

  • @tylercollins9323
    @tylercollins9323 Год назад +1

    suprised none of the Crusoe CPU's werent mentioned

  • @OliverQueen1974
    @OliverQueen1974 Год назад +1

    missed out several others as well from around the same time as Cyrix (who started with 486 processors thru to chip’s rebranded with IBM & VIA including the 686Mx/M2). What about the Centaur WinChip was another budget oriented x86 cpu that was not too bad price wise for running simple Windows & office tasks. Can also remember building a NT Workstation running a PowerPC processor as well that was faster & more stable than the typical x86 machines running NT Workstation for CAD/Design tasks. Also the RISC based NexGen NX586 CPU’s as well that were later acquired by AMD & became the K6 CPU with AMD scrapping their in-house designed successor to the K5 family in favour for this! There are also several more that I have forgotten details on now such as pre-286 CPU’s from Chips & Technologies, Rise & Texas Instruments.