@@douglas_fir The term "Nazbol" is stupid. People use it thinking that it means Socialist Nationalism, while thinking Fascism isn't Socialist. They don't realize that actual National Socialists and Fascists consider themselves to be following a form of Socialism. They hate Marxism, but Marxism is only one type of Socialism.
Imo the reason why they got that form of an economy is because of the Third Reich. Many parts of it was kept after the war, to keep Germany on the side of the west against the USSR. It required ALOT of spilled blood to get such a great system. Hopefully we won't have to go through such turmoil to have a life of decency.
Destiny already _IS_ shared, as is his girlfriend, who regularly f'cks other dudes like there's no tomorrow while he has to be the primary provider for her lifestyle in the hopes some girl who gets off on emasculated dudes with poor facial hair and florescent heads pity-shags him once in a while.
People don’t understand what this debate is really about. Underneath it all the truth is that it is really about Destiny’s old HD599 headphones vs. his new HD600 headphones.
People make fun of this guy a lot in the comments, but honestly, he wasn't that bad, I think he had a couple of good points and he was receptive to what Destiny was saying. I think this has been one of the best debates of the las couple of months at least.
That's why I was disappointed. Cultured thug often acts way too friendly and agreeable in debates, there was many points where he should have hit back hard, but he ended up just tip toeing around destiny's sensibilities. When Destiny goes on a naïve rant where he equates the public good with economic growth, you need to slap him down hard. The economy growing is not a good thing if the money ends up in the hands of a few, especially because those people demonstrably shouldn't have power because their actions show that they are more than willing to sacrifice the public good for their own aspirations of power. Having the nation ran by a few oligarchs that sell out their own nation for personal gain, is a terrible thing, but it's what you get when the system is set up to not only tolerate, but legitimize that sort of thing. They will just keep accumulating more money and power by stabbing the people in the back until the people MAKE them unable to do so.
It's telling how Destiny basically agreed with everything that CT argued for once they sat down and had a serious discussion. Even when looking at the chat, all their stereotypes about 3rd positionism were broken down, calling the guy a "progressive fascist" and everything. People have been propagandized so hard.
@@TR13400 *literally untrue.* It fundamentally is. The closest thing to a Fascist is a blue-dog Democrat, someone that is socially conservative but fiscally liberal in that they promote social welfare.
It must be so comforting to have religion or nationalism as your identity, then go "why is everyone so fractured over identity? Everyone should just adopt my identity and the problem will go away."
Nationality as an identity was a Napoleonic solution to class and ethnic division. It was the realization that identity can't be denied, it produce othering and the only way for stability was to make it a whole in the state. Now you could argue it was a faulty logic or whatever, but it was the path most of the west took after Napoleon.
@@stevestrangelove4970 well this goes back further than Napoleon but in the modern since Napoleon did kind of set the bar for this. You can go back and look at the story of Aeneas and such which makes be believe we are pretty hardwired to be nationalistic. Nation as in the people, not like a government.
He's a fascist and that's all they care about. Couple that up with the fact CT actually does respect Hitler though he prefers the Italian model, they would double down on the mere fact he wouldn't denounce him.
9 times out of 10, when someone says "identity politics", they mean 'focus on race.' So when New Frontier, or CT, says they are against identity politics, it means they seek to further advances of American identity - not just black or white identity. That's my understanding.
@Char Aznable No, it isn't the media's alleged cramming of "world citizen" down America's throat that people may have become inherently opposed to the idea of Nationalism. This one is on the various Nationalist that go to the extremes with it and prefer America alone. In the case of your own comment, "focusing" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. What does it mean to focus on one's own nation above any other? What does it mean to "return to the nation"? How is America doomed without doing so? The world is so much more connected now than at anytime in the past, it's reasonable to expect a focus on globalization. Fighting globalization while the rest of the world connects with one another would be detrimental to the country. Also, the irony in you using Char Aznable's name while believing so strongly in ideals that run counter to his is not lost on me.
If by "American Identity" you mean runaway pluralism with groups who're more concerned about banding together and gaming the system at the expense of naive individualists like yourself who think tolerance will ensure your way of life once they get sizable, if not majoritarian, political influence then sure...diverse multiculturalism and instinctively tribal division in a national population promoted by historically-ignorant liberalism is the "American Identity".
The key is how american liberalism differs from european liberalism, They're not the same, Destiny pretends they are.. Liberalism has no problems with implementing these solutions, sure but that's almost a metaphysical argument as it actually has nothing to do with american liberalism, or what special interests and lobbyists want to do in terms of policy.
His point was that americas problems have more to do with American culture than liberalism. The guy he was speaking to was trying use liberalism as a scapegoat for everything wrong with America, which isn’t true. It’s like blaming democracy for Trump being in office, when the blame should be on the citizens who did and didn’t vote. This guy wasn’t purely attacking American Liberalism, he was attacking Liberalism as a whole, and dismissing European countries because they are smaller than the us
"The United States is seen as providing or ensuring safety to certain countries". I think Destiny is way out of touch with how the rest of the world sees United States military interventionism.
It's actually quite true. The big claim to fame and riches for the us was that they got so many allies. When we are talking nations outside of the melting pot of the middle East, they all massively benefited from us protection. The willingness of the us to intervene and defend country's is what gives safety and strength to the us. Ofc, when talking a few middle Eastern countries or Vietnam, it's a different story. But generally speaking, us interventions net benefit the country's in question a lot.
@@spyzebyo9466 That didn't address my point. Outside of the US, people IMO are skeptical the US are protectors and are more imperalists. i.e. very few people IME still defend Iraq and Libya as benevolence driven military interventions. I think only some Americans do (like Destiny perhaps). I think the average European, Latin American (are you aware of the history of US military interventionism in Latin America?), Middle Easterner, and South East Asian is more skeptical of the claim of benevolent US military intervention than Destiny and you may realize.
@@tomberwick1044uhm go Ask koreans, Japanese, taiwanese, Indians, vietnamese, philippinos, kenyans, Nigerians, Ugandans, lebanese, Jordanians, Italians, french, etc. All The people in these countries support foreign us military interventions. And im not pulling this out of My ass. This is data from pew research center, i just listed *some* of The countries where a clear majority support us military intervention against terrorism.
I think you fall into a trap when you talk to this guy about 'liberalism' and use that as a way to talk about economics. The fact that an "economic liberal" to him is nationalized health care, education and eradication of private ownership tells us that he doesn't really care about 'liberalism' in the same way you care about it. When he talks about 'liberalism' he's talking about personal freedoms. He's talking about immigration, marriage, and an enforcement of traditional social values. That's why he constantly runs away from economic topics and constantly brings up things like transgender bathrooms, individualism, nationalism, etc.
@@kg356 Wrong. The argument is that Democracy will never exist and doesn't exist now. Therefore we should have an elite that's actually WORTHY of being an elite since we are creatures that naturally develop hierarchy to organize.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff those that are worthy of being elites should be people that get votes in a democratic system. Gtfoh if you’re arguing for a dictatorship/autocracy over democracy.
@@blascantu7221 Do you really think you have power in America? Do you honestly think elections change much? You have very little say regardless of the pageantry for elections. Wake up. Also yes I'm saying Democracy is fake and doesn't exist. You need a proper ruling elite that have the nations best interest at heart as opposed to the malevolent oligarchs we have now.
yeah, but thats what democracy is all about: the population deciding who should be elite. all fascist points are contradicting themself: "lets install an elite to decide who is the elite to prevent the elite from deciding who should be elite" its so dumb
Destiny: Even if they try to, it'd be insanely hard for corporate media to make people believe things Also Destiny: Misinformation is a huge problem with widespread damaging effects
@1234567Aesop If you've followed Destiny for a while, you'd know that Destiny's view has been that alternative media tends to spew far more misinformation than mainstream (or "corporate") media. While corporate media is responsible to shareholders and to the public to develop trust (as its target demographic is much wider than alternative media), it is far harder to get away with outright lies or misinformation than alternative media, which can pander to an a more specific audience's confirmation bias. It's much harder to get away with misinformation or outright lies when your audience is far more diverse (not just in typical demographics, but in views as well). There is also a much higher standard of journalistic integrity and far greater consequences for producing outright falsehoods, whereas in most alternative media, there are absolutely no consequences for lying as long as you're telling your audience exactly what they want to hear.
@@Dadscap Dang, your ability to read people is astonishing. Yes, I'm the guy who said "We had a good conversation, we agreed on a lot more than thought"
It's always amusing when nationalism is being brought up as some anti identity politics solution when the very concept of national identity is a mega identity politics project.
@@majdjinn5042 It doesn’t make sense to criticise identity politics as being the source of all our current problems and then propose a different kind of identity politics as the solution. The people espousing identity politics are driven by the same need as the dude in the video. Community. Most people are searching desperately for an in-group they can cling to and he’s no different. He just doesn’t realise it.
It's been a year, you still using fictional characters to dehumanize those with whom you disagree? Last I checked, that's sort of what the National Socialists did with Jews, calling them goblins, rats, demons, etc. So, you still a Nazi who think it's amazing those who do happen to share your beliefs are capable of having their own...you know, like fellow human beings with wills of their own?
You could easily solve the problem of people disagreeing on certain issues by proper education. You could even build specialized camps where disagreeable people would be concentrated so it would be easier to re educate them.
I was a senior in highschool (18yo) about to graduate when OWS happened . I was also taking US government that year. My teacher also brought voter registration forms for us to register if we so choose. So, I got into politics a little. OWS was actually one of the moments where I realized how politically impotent and inept the left was in this country. They had so much potential and momentum then and they didnt use any of it to push for specific policies or candidates to get into office, they didn't have any real plan or solutions or top-down organization. And once the heat died down that was it. They didn't change anything really.
There were no unions to back it up, that’s why I think it was a partial failure. Top down organization is undesirable: too easily infiltrated by the police, which they nevertheless attempted. But overall it was a success, perhaps a candidate like Bernie would’ve been unthinkable without OWS. Anything to bring a semblance of class consciousness back into the frame, since capitalist realism has made literally socialism unthinkable for most Americans.
@@HahaDamn Them being suspicious of party politics doesn't forgive why they got nothing done. They pretty much just wasted their time and everybody else's time. I can't stand people who complain about something in politics and then don't take real world steps to try and fix it and don't even know where to start or who to goto.
@@Priinsu Political failures are sometimes necessary for progress to occur. It does not indicate that people are doomed to fail for all time, we see that time and time again historically, Goldwater failed, but Reagan won emphatically, the revolutions of 1848 failed, but the chartist movement ultimately won the franchise and the political demands of the revolutionaries were enacted in the coming decades.
@@dylansevitt According to Wikipedia it "is a radical political movement that combines ultranationalism (or alternatively fascism in some cases) and communism." Which doesn't actually help me understand it very well.
I fully disagree with Destiny. Liberalism is based on individualism and fascism is based on the collective. It would be easier in a collectivist country, compared to an individual one, to restrict individual liberty for the good of the country.
And neither can explain what the fuck that even means... They've arbitrarily chosen one physical characteristic of people, skin color, and decided that somehow aligns our morals, values and goals when it very clearly doesn't. A white man in California doesn't have the same "story" as a white man in Alabama or as a white man in New York etc.
man, I use to watch you a long time. It is strange that you still believe in this Liberal capitalist or capitalism in general when it is creating the whole degeneracy of this nation or even the western world.
@ShortFatOtaku either ways, you should go to the platform or contact him and he would be willing to talk to you about what he is doing on the political stuff in real life
The point about developing treatments for rare diseases is an absolutely horrible one to bring up for Destiny. Drug companies rarely pursue that kind of research without govt support, because there's no way to charge a small number of people enough money to recoup the development costs. There's programs specifically to give funding to encourage them to research those fields lol
The guy contradicts himself all over the place. Kinda disappointed destiny didn't push harder, but then again maybe this is how he will attract a debate with some bigger names.
Idk why Destiny is so ignorant on economics. He says socialism has always failed. Hakim on RUclips did a great video on how dumb of a talking point that is. The USSR had greater economic growth than the USA from 1946-1980s. It absolutely works. I was a right libertarian, which required me to be completely ignorant of economic history in the USA. Destiny and many liberals beleive the big lie, that all of the problems we find ourselves in is an organic result. Whether it be the death of unions to pur border crisis. Few actors in the past shaped the country to bring about these issues, and a few people benefit from them so they keep the issues ongoing. "One Nation Under Blackmail" by Whitney Web, is an incredible book, that details the connections of intelligence, organized crime, big business, and government. Reading it will give anyone a stronger understanding of who the problem is and how to solve it.
1:36:40 "Destiny promotes liberal markets for world peace, yet these open [world] markets have destroyed the American middle class. Why is he okay with this?" Seems to me Destiny completely evaded this question and changed the subject to simply what he thinks our economic problems are. He should have explained why he doesn't agree open trade destroyed the middle class.
@@husseinpoliphilo Hi Hussein, Are you reading what I wrote? Just to summarize, I wrote that: 1) Destiny evaded the question 2) In a debate, you can't just say, "World markets are worth it, lol." You have to explain why you think so. So: Are you disagreeing with me or not? If you are, please explain why.
Cultured Thug should have attacked, Destiny's entire economic view, which rests upon the toxic and false assumption, that lower wages is good. "Americans charge more for labor, so sending manufacturing overseas lowers the costs." Yes, this also lowers wages, and a country with higher wages can afford to buy more things. Liberalism ie Individualism Is also a huge driving force for inflation. The cost of goods is at an all time high. Simultaneously, so are the profits of these corporations. Few individuals are benefiting at the expense of the nation. These company executives stabbed their fellow countrymen in the back during a crisis, but under liberalism this is totally allowed and ethical.
It seems like what you're describing is corporatism when certain business conglomerates are manipulating the capitalist market economy for their own financial benefits ( via unlimited corporate PAC donations and unlimited super PAC donations ). This particular issue can be solved by having particular legislation that would ban super PACs with also at least strongly limiting donations from any political action committee group. Inflation would be much less likely of a thing if we stop printing money from the Federal Reserve. Not to mention inflation would be much less of a thing If if the US government did things that would strengthening market competition by having an antitrust bust of business conglomerates ( while strongly enforcing antitrust laws from here on out ) with also not over regulating the economy that would help smaller businesses and startup businesses to compete in the market. Liberalism by its meaning ( before it got hijacked by progressives that's obsessed with virtue signaling ) is supporting things like private property, market economies, individual rights ( which include civil rights, body autonomy rights, and of course constitutional rights ), democratic republics / representative democracies, personal freedom within the rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, and the separation of church and state.
Me "loving my country" should not include tacit or wholesale support of its wrongdoings. My love for the country is based on my belief that it has a framework that allows for it to truly be "a great country". But for us to do this, we must be able to criticize the country or the states and territories therein, when it's going the wrong way.
Exactly. That's the most frustrating part of this debate. Destiny thinks of "loving your country" in opposition to "hating your country" and concedes that it would be bad if everyone in the country hated it. That might seem reasonable, but to this guy "loving your country" is to never criticize it (unless it's his side of the argument, in which case it's fine), not teach about/be critical of it's history, and other stupid shit like that.
Nationalists are usually the .most critical of the Nations wrongdoings, Nationalism is much more then "love of your country" it goes down to the individual level, seeing those around you as members of your extended family
Patriotism is when you love the country and fight for the people in it. You want to make it better and put it in a good position for its citizens, and make it appealing for all who wish to live there. Nationalism is when you follow a country without question. You care for a false identity and align yourself with a political belief of superiority over other nations.
@@diegorincon4673 that is false. Nationalism has wrongly been equated with National Chauvinism. When you are a nationalist your fellow citizens are extended family members, and you want what is best for them, yes you do care more about them then none citizens, just like I assume you care more about your blood family then none family members.
I believe he grew up in Omaha, Nebraska. One of his parents came from a Cuban immigrant background, and his family were, and are, quite conservative in their values.
This was very enjoyable discourse/debate with amicable concessions, as well as push back on both sides. I know that these types don't generate as much controversy, but they're nourishing to listen to.
01:04:10 Finland essentially has state run media. Finland's state run media gets unconditional funding from taxes, and seems to work fine, as there aren't many perverse incentives when the funding is unconditional. It also helps that Finland has strong journalism education. There is also for profit media in Finland, but they're generally seen as entertainment, not as news.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I’ve never understood that argument. Education and health funding is massively devolved issue and small states like Vermont and Massachusetts as well as big states like New York and Pennsylvania already have systems that use state and federal funding reasonably well. It’s really not that hard to do. Japan for instance has a massive population, as does much of the European Union, and large scale co-operation takes place there with relative ease. It is harder to regulate healthcare and education amongst larger populations, but the way people present it is as though it’s an impossibility. It’s hard to draw exact comparisons between countries, but if there was any country on the face of the earth rich enough to roll out large scale publicly funded health programs it’s the United States.
Maybe there's some misunderstanding from my part, but I don't think that for profit media/newspapers are seen generally as entertainment here in Finland. Especially the bigger ones such as Helsingin Sanomat are seen as reliable news sources, which they usually are. The for profit TV channels' (MTV3, Nelonen) news are also seen as reliable. And a lot of people also get their news from more tabloidish newspapers such as Iltalehti and Ilta-Sanomat, especially from their online sites. They are often a bit sensationalist but their reporting is still usually factual. Ofc there are total garbage tabloid magazines such as Seiska, which people see only as entertainment. And even YLE, which is the "state run media" here, is as far as I understand quite independent.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor well seeing that the US has a higher gdp per capita than most 1st world nations and nations with more extensive safety nets in place, that is not an argument.
If this dude is 43 and didn't get a pro-America education, he must be either lying or grew up in a commune. I am the same age and got a super patriotic education. Pledge and national anthem in class everyday. We made fun of the Native American kid who never stood up for the Pledge. July 4th, Memorial Day, President's Day, Veteran's Day, baseball games, etc... This dude has probably also never left his little bubble he lives in never mind the country. I am super liberal when I am back in the States, but here in Japan where I live and have a family, I am like a literal flag-waving, "don't tread on me" Tea Party militia man.
Actually, If you didn't know, culture thug is self educated. You don't need to go to college to be viewed and be called "educated person". He has a video of him showing his library (book collection). Trust me, it's alot. And before you say the books on his collection are of his own biases, THEY AREN'T. He has all kinds of books, from, fascism, liberalism, communism, anarchism etc. He has it all. He has debated his opposition (Marxists/commies) and even people who are right wing too. So if anyone needs to leave their eco chamber is you. If anyone who needs to educate themselves about history and political ideology is you.
I think this convo can be partially summarised by the bit about 48 minutes in when the other guy basically says look how things are going, and Destiny says uh yep I'm looking and they seem like they're doing fine, and they both sound as smug as each other like their remark should be pre-supposed.
To be fair, I'm not sure there is any other response when you have someone begging the question so hard with that kind of response. Shit might seem crazy, especially in the world of politics, but in terms of health, finances, crime & violence and any other metric for the average person, things are actually pretty damn good. Obviously it all could be better, but this idea that the world is falling apart seems to only come from those who are heavily invested in leftist or right wing conspiratorial politics. I mean if you were to go back in time and talk to someone during the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights Movement, The Great Depression, The Cold War, World War II, virtually any decade in the past 100 years and tell them about how challenging things are in 2022, they'd probably just fuckin' laugh at you. I'm sure you'd wind up giving them a whole lot more hope for the future as a result. "Oh no, people are rioting during protests? Wait, did you say dollars in damage? In 2022 they no longer count the damage from riots in bodies? Did you really just say last year was hard because you had to wear a mask when going to the store? That's because of nuclear warfare with the Soviet Union, to deal with nuclear radiation, right? What happened to the Soviet Union? Oh, it's because of measles, right? What happened to measles? Covid, is that worse than measles? I'm confused, then what was the problem with the mask, there's still food on the shelves, right? Goddamn, the future sounds awesome, take me with you! No seriously, I'll kill you right now if you don't take fuckin' take me with you. I'm not fuckin' around."
@@BeeruzChrysler I was agreeing with you, actually. It was banter, as in the people you're talking about seem to act as though the mere fact it isn't a complete disaster refutes the notion something is wrong and in need of improvement.
I feel like this dude just expunged Caitlin Jenner from his memory about the evolution of the trans discussion. She was one of the first hyper-public transitions in 2014, just a few years after Occupy Wall Street. Or he just ignores inconvenient information.
I love how dudes like this talk about race and say things like "liberals are the racist, they always wanna separate people by color and put everyone in their own boxes. The left only deals in identity politics." Then in the same conversation complain about how we need men to be more masculine and discuss how his "3rd position" ideas would help the "pro-white" community. How is he not doing the same thing he accuses the libs of doing.
Liberals discriminate against anyone who doesn't perfectly align with their views. Culture thug doesn't. Folks like him tell it as it is, the reality, and wants everyone to be aware of it, and come to their senses.
@Bob X i reckon most Jews would gladly go there. However, it really makes you wonder why people would say things about Jews like that? What makes them come to that opinion? The only way to find out is to ask them...
The fascist 3rd positionism that CT seems to represent isn't a racially divisive or antisemitic political stance. Perhaps you should listen to what he actually said instead of making groundless accusations.
@@pollytix7271 I'm not really concerned about his political stance or weather the 3rd position is a rational idea. I'm more interested in the hypocrisy of saying "I don't deal in identity politics" then claiming his ideas will help this race or that race. Or how he wants men to be more like men. Which is putting people in to boxes based on their identity, which he claims he does like to do.
@@somedude693 Unifying everybody regardless of identity, background and race under a collectivist framework that enriches and bolsters everybody isn't identity politics. Even if that was true, it isn't divisive as the atypical dysfunctional identity politics seen today.
I think guy meant to suggest a govt owned industry that stays in US, that has competitive pay. It's point isn't to compete internationally bc it won't be able to . It's point is to maintain an industry.
Something that's missed a lot about Ukraine is that Donetsk and Luhansk aren't interested in being annexed by Russia, Minsk 3 agreement or recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk is necessary for peace in Donbas
Destiny makes a good point that the financial incentive is what is driving American medical innovation, but the problem is that most of that innovation is already publicly funded. The gov gives grants to big pharma for this research but they’re double dipping by also reaping insane margins
The USSR made great advancements in Pharmaceuticals. Cuba punches way above their weight when it comes to innovation. Research and Development gave us everything from lasers, internet, and so on.
Never heard of this Cultured Thug guy before, but I believe he's been winning this debate so far. This debate is also really relaxed, unlike the debates with other leftists.
@Char Aznable oligarchy is a growing issue, and honestly any time all the media agrees on something I find it highly sus cause that seems like a sign that the oligarchs agree on something. However conservatives still call out liberals, and liberals still call out conservatives. The thing I find most troubling is the amount of people who want to end the ability for their opposition to have any media representation. The worst part of any totalitarian ideology is that you don't have anybody talking about the faults of those in power, and once you start on that path you can have atrocities on the level of the holocaust.
*meanwhile in chat* flame_warrior: Destiny why are you in queue again if you said the last one was a mistake? Deasinty: flame_warrior because now i realize this convo is super boring lmao
ah yes yes "society is so bad there are so many things we need to change but no the first time i've voted was in 2016 for trump. did i mention i have a ton of ideas on how things should be and i feel very strongly about them but i don't ever want to do anything about them that goes beyond sitting at home and talking into a camera"
its weird that for the first 40 min of watching this i thought destiny was debating a socialist until i saw the title lol , it seems like they have alot of similarities or is it just me?.
Fascists (he's not a NazBol) and Marxist-Leninists have a lot in common. Both have Marx as their starting point, ML's diverging via the thought of Lenin and fascists of Georges Sorel
Fascism was never right-wing to begin with, it's born from syndicalism. Mussolini quotes, many after he became a fascist........ "Marx was the greatest of all theorists of socialism." "Socialism has to remain a terrifying and a majestic thing. If we follow this line, we shall be able to face our enemies." "The law of socialism is that of the desert: a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye. Socialism is a rude and bitter truth, which was born in the conflict of opposing forces and in violence. Socialism is war, and woe to those who are cowardly in war. They will be defeated." "The root of our psychological weakness was this: We socialists have never examined the problems of nations. The International was never concerned with it. The International is dead, paralyzed by events. Ten million proletarians are today on the battlefield." "You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me." "Do not believe, even for a moment, that by stripping me of my membership card you do the same to my Socialist beliefs, nor that you would restrain me of continuing to work in favor of Socialism and of the Revolution" "Lenin is an artist who has worked men, as other artists have worked marble or metals. But men are harder than stone and less malleable than iron. There is no masterpiece. The artist has failed. The task was superior to his capacities." "I know the Communists. I know them because some of them are my children" "I shall defend this pact with all my strength, and if Fascism does not follow me in collaboration with the Socialists, at least no one can force me to follow Fascism." "Standing by me and helping my work as newspaper man were the Fascisti. They were composed of revolutionary spirits who believed in intervention. They were youths-the students of the universities, the socialist syndicalists-destroying faith in Karl Marx by their ideals." "It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman. Marx had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet." "I never felt that there was any conflict between my military duties and my Socialism. Why should not a good soldier be also a fighter in the class war?" "Italy is not a capitalist country according to the meaning now conventionally assigned to that term." "Three-fourths of the Italian economy, industrial and agricultural, is in the hands of the state. And if I dare to introduce to Italy state capitalism or state socialism, which is the reverse side of the medal, I will have the necessary subjective and objective conditions to do it." "It is no longer an economy aiming at individual profit, but economy concerned with collective interest." "When the war is over, in the world's social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth's riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers. The Fascist revolution will make another decisive step to shorten social distances." "Some still ask of us: what do you want? We answer with three words that summon up our entire program. Here they are…Italy, Republic, Socialization. . .Socialization is no other than the implantation of Italian Socialism" "For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality. As the evolution of society belied many of the prophecies of Marx, the true socialism folded from possible to probable. The only feasible socialism socialisticamente is corporatism, confluence, balance and justice interests compared to the collective interest." "I owe most to Georges Sorel. This master of syndicalism by his rough theories of revolutionary tactics has contributed most to form the discipline, energy and power of the fascist cohorts."
@@user-kd3gz1hl1e To understand Italian Fascism, you have to understand Giovanni Gentile. To understand Giovanni Gentile, you have to understand Guiseppe Mazzini. If you understand those two, it will actually put those quotes into proper perspective, because they were at war with Russia while we were allied with them. They were absolutely not Pro-Marxist, especially when Italy was allied with NSDAP Germany, and they rose to power by gaining public support beating Marxists in the streets. PS: If you want to read something anti-Marxist, read Mein Kampf. If you want to read something Anti-Semitic, read "For My Legionaries" by Corneliu Cordreanu. He makes Hitler look like a boy-scout.
If he wants cheap drugs for the population he should be all for the government buying them in bulk and selling at cost, right? That's literally the lowest possible cost societally.
~>go to the gym to do pull day w deadlifts ~>come home ~>watch destiny debate some fashy weirdo while eating my daily 4 eggies with ketchup Perfect morning *GIGACHAD*
I like destiny but he wants to be a big player in the LGBT world so he will fight this tooth and nail. This guy is correct though, This device is trash was born during occupy.
1:04:10 First time I really disagree with destiny on something. In Germany we got state funded/run media and it is the greatest thing. Most households pay a monthly fee and there are great restrictions to not outcompete private media channels. It is the greatest way to consume news because there very little insentive to push viewer numbers. I dont blame him for not knowing, why should he. But it may be something to consider in the future 🤷♂
state funded / state regulated and state run are two very different things and can’t be used interchangeably, at least in my eyes. I interpret state run to mean that the govt literally decides or approves the content before it goes on air. If all the state does is setup some ground rules and fund it, but then you hire your own journalists and run your own stories, that’s not what this dude was referring to.
@@TonyCox1351 Ok I agree. State run media in north korea translates way different than in many european countries. And yeah this guy probably wants the korea version. I just think this topic is so under represented in public discource and destiny is always so close to it when he talks about misinformation. Imo access to information should be seen as a civil right and enforced by the state.
It's funny how this guy is calling for more populism and at the same time perfectly represent the issues populism has. A lot of stuff sounds good or intuitive until you actually try to get down to the nuts and bolts of things and find out "wait, this is actually really complicated"
@@aidan883 sure Mussolini's facist philsophy predates Hitlers and was not racially based, more corporatist. Nazbol implies his a follower of Hitler's ethno-facist idealogy. In other words it would be correct to call him a facist, but not a nazi. It's like saying Mao and Marx or Lenin had the same ideas and vision for perfect communism, they clearly didn't.
I’m kinda disappointed Destiny is still repeating those right wing talking points about medical innovation and private healthcare systems. Just because the US has the highest quantity of patents on new drugs and medical devices doesn’t exactly translate to the quality of those innovations. If you are innovating in the field of weight loss and penis pills that isn’t exactly the same as a new Alzheimer’s drug. The newest Alzheimer’s drug approved came from Switzerland for instance. The first HIV vaccine was made in Canada and is beginning clinical trials now. There are real incentives for universal healthcare systems(UHS) to innovate when it comes to debilitating and degenerative diseases, as the healthcare system will have to support those sick people instead of just letting them go bankrupt and die. So UHS’s have to innovate in order to save money. A side effect is that more people stay healthy longer. With a for profit healthcare system(PHS) there are incentives to innovate to treat symptoms but not diseases. As in a PHS something that reduces symptoms 80%, needs to be taken daily and can be charged more for will be selectively innovated over something that eliminates the disease, needs only a short regiment and can be charged for as mush or less than the alternative. In a UHS the incentives is to innovate to save money by eliminating diseases. In a PHS the incentives are to make as much profit as possible while creating products that hopefully don’t hurt you more than they help. Speaking as a Canadian, I often see crazy US drug commercial. Yeah, the US has lots of drugs... and the list of side effects for some random constipation drug sounds worse than being a little backed up. Then there is the facts of the of economy of scale when looking at the innovation in a country of 330 million when compared to 38 million. With a country 10x bigger, the economy and medical industries don’t scale linearly. Destiny keeps brining up the innovation question in a UHS but seemly has never actually tried to look for an answer. He acts like it’s some defeater or the end of the conversation when it’s only the beginning.
The US has major obstructions to healthcare innovation due to how understaffed and underfunded the FDA is, but is still easily the leader in medical research. I have no idea what you are even talking about with a few of your points. For example, the most recent Alzheimer's drug was "discovered" by Switzerland? The trials and research to bring it to market worldwide were performed by an American company with American money in America. Surely the Swiss healthcare system should have performed this research instead, no? The first HIV vaccine was made in Canada? Do you mean GeoVax from Georgia, AIDSVAX from California, or raltegravir from New Jersey, the pilot substances that the entire field of HIV vaccine research is derivative of? I see that the UHS incentives are so powerful they are entirely dependent on US businesses swooping in and performing the actual research required to bring a safe and effective drug to market... Drug discovery is cheap. Clinical trials are not. PS: the fact you hear a "list of side effects" is a sign of how tightly regulated US advertisement of drugs is. Do you think your drug of choice doesn't have rare or unpleasant side effects? What do Canadians use for constipation, are you still stuck with charcoal pills? List a drug you think is great and I'll give you some unpleasant things to worry about. The difference is that US consumers actually know their drugs and the government here ensures that advertisement is honest about the benefits AND risks, as opposed to banning ads wholesale and leaving people ignorant.
The objective fact that America does the most medical innovation and research in the entire world is a right wing talking point? Not sure thats really a hill you wanna die on bud
Cultured Thug wants citiznship and nationality in the US to work like it did with the Romans and the Ottoman Empire. *Checks history notes* The Romans, who collapsed before the advent of nationalism as we know it today, so I dont see how they apply... And the Ottomans, who suffered so many ethnic tensions as nationalism became more prevalent that they had lost like half their empire to nationalist movements before even starting WW1, and lost the rest when the French and British forced them to release most of the rest of their non-turkish lands. Hm. Yes. Stellar examples of empires that included all of their citizens/subjects in their nationalism projects. Sometimes I wish destiny knew more history so he could call out these kinds of things.
@@pierren___ I didn't make a suggestion. I just wanted to point out that CT had a bad point, and that I wish destiny knew history. If there's any suggestion there, I would suggest to CT to learn more about history before making claims about how he wants to borrow things from dead empires. I can't really suggest that destiny go learn more history since he isn't really making too many historical claims himself, but I just wish he knew more history all the same?
Igor Letov, a musician that is one of the 3 founders of national bolshevism is schizophrenic and he one day decided to make the party for an unknown reason. But then in a 2007 interview he said he is an anarchist and always was (I don't have anything against anarchists however). National bolshevism is kind of a joke ideology and people really took it seriously.
Communism = Anarchism is the very definition of Cognitive dissonance because it's absolutely antithetical. You cannot define a stateless society by everything it abolishes.
Cultured Thug is hiding his power level the whole time. He’s a major nazi who hates Jews. He just recognizes that destiny opens him up to a huge audience so he pretends to be a reasonable person
Only because CT hid his power level. If you noticed, the things Destiny agreed to were all left wing economic policies like universal healthcare and stuff. Which is why he kept saying "all of what you want are still within the realm of Liberalism".
@@omega0195 No it doesn't, it's not inherently ironic for someone advocating for democracy to get a personally undesirable democratic outcome. It's to be expected from time to time that you'd not 100% get what you want, and I expect people advocating for democracy to be fully aware of this. To advocate for autocracy yet complaining that you're not getting it is inherently inconsistent, as you yourself advocate for a system of government where you no longer have a say about the course of your country, which is what you're complaining about.
@@arnvkv2798 you don't like it when someone wants to force their beliefs? Yet you wanna force your beliefs by favoring and wanting people to favor democracy? You're a walking contradiction.
@@omega0195 My system doesn't infringe on his philosophy, as he doesn't value equal choice. "Forcing" democracy on him is fine, he has absolutely no credibility when complaining that he can't choose. If he forces autocracy on me it infringes on my desire to not have a government forced upon me. Enough with this nonsense pestering logic lord.
@@arnvkv2798 if you force your system unto him, it does infringe him, because it goes against his philosophy and system. But, it's ok if you force your system unto people? But not ok if other force their system unto you? What kind of rubbish is this? If you don't like people forcing their beliefs unto you, then don't do it yourself. You're no different from him whenever you folks wanna implement (force) a system upon the population. Again, you're a walking contradiction.
Destiny debates a third position nazbol who says liberalism is to blame for everything
Ahmazun
*spagbol Mussolini was the first facist leader, the speaker referenced him as his ideological influence in the opener
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
@@douglas_fir The term "Nazbol" is stupid. People use it thinking that it means Socialist Nationalism, while thinking Fascism isn't Socialist. They don't realize that actual National Socialists and Fascists consider themselves to be following a form of Socialism. They hate Marxism, but Marxism is only one type of Socialism.
@@ozomnipotent1783 hes certainly misrepresenting a lot of things.
Brave of this man to have the courage to debate Destiny while he’s playing league.
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@@tobertbruh8660 is it, though?
And eating too. He had the full arsenal of the debate tactics in use.
Was that supposed to be a joke
I want a Keith Woods Destiny chat. Hes one of the best third positionists on this platform.
Keith Woods probably wouldn't be a fair fight for Destiny, he's on a different level
Keith woods is a right wing traditionalist & an evolian
@@faustianwetware 😂
Strangely chill debate
Liberal debates with fascist tend to be pretty calm.
We tend to be pretty chill. Watch conservatives debate us third positionists. Very enjoyable.
@@vashlash6870Where can you find it
Cultured Thug seems like a pretty reasonable dude. Handled himself well.
America - "No sick days for you. Even if you have Mesothelioma."
Germany - "Here's your 4 months paid vacation for the year. See you in July."
Imo the reason why they got that form of an economy is because of the Third Reich. Many parts of it was kept after the war, to keep Germany on the side of the west against the USSR. It required ALOT of spilled blood to get such a great system. Hopefully we won't have to go through such turmoil to have a life of decency.
I feel like having a shared Destiny would require consent.
Yes!
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Destiny already _IS_ shared, as is his girlfriend, who regularly f'cks other dudes like there's no tomorrow while he has to be the primary provider for her lifestyle in the hopes some girl who gets off on emasculated dudes with poor facial hair and florescent heads pity-shags him once in a while.
Actually yes, the race and trans stuff DID rocket to the moon after the 08 crash.
People don’t understand what this debate is really about. Underneath it all the truth is that it is really about Destiny’s old HD599 headphones vs. his new HD600 headphones.
old ones were 598
@@jazzysocksdude That is what they *want* you to think. Stay woke
The good ol' hurr durr six hundos.
Really should get me a pair seeing how much people like Dankpods like them.
People make fun of this guy a lot in the comments, but honestly, he wasn't that bad, I think he had a couple of good points and he was receptive to what Destiny was saying. I think this has been one of the best debates of the las couple of months at least.
I am glad that you said that
That's why I was disappointed. Cultured thug often acts way too friendly and agreeable in debates, there was many points where he should have hit back hard, but he ended up just tip toeing around destiny's sensibilities.
When Destiny goes on a naïve rant where he equates the public good with economic growth, you need to slap him down hard. The economy growing is not a good thing if the money ends up in the hands of a few, especially because those people demonstrably shouldn't have power because their actions show that they are more than willing to sacrifice the public good for their own aspirations of power. Having the nation ran by a few oligarchs that sell out their own nation for personal gain, is a terrible thing, but it's what you get when the system is set up to not only tolerate, but legitimize that sort of thing. They will just keep accumulating more money and power by stabbing the people in the back until the people MAKE them unable to do so.
So this is one out of 9 Nazbol right? I can't remember if there were more at the siege of Minas Tirith.
Good meme!
i appreciate that.
@@blahblorp9015 thank you thank you
That was a banger, good Job on the Meme. Lmao I laughed out loud at Work, now I have to lay low xD
@@Jatischar same just happened for me on the train. Gonna pretend I'm sleeping now....ty OP, great stuff!
It's telling how Destiny basically agreed with everything that CT argued for once they sat down and had a serious discussion. Even when looking at the chat, all their stereotypes about 3rd positionism were broken down, calling the guy a "progressive fascist" and everything. People have been propagandized so hard.
Yes but the things he arguing for aren't even at odds with liberalism which was his main point
@@TR134003rd position is directly opposed to the key tenants of liberalism
@@usernameryan5982 literally untrue.
@@TR13400
What? Fascism is completely illiberal CT is well read on it but doesn't fully know how to explain it sometimes.
@@TR13400
*literally untrue.*
It fundamentally is. The closest thing to a Fascist is a blue-dog Democrat, someone that is socially conservative but fiscally liberal in that they promote social welfare.
It must be so comforting to have religion or nationalism as your identity, then go "why is everyone so fractured over identity? Everyone should just adopt my identity and the problem will go away."
SO FUCKING TRUE LOL
@@sa-mp5iw what is yours?
Nationality as an identity was a Napoleonic solution to class and ethnic division. It was the realization that identity can't be denied, it produce othering and the only way for stability was to make it a whole in the state. Now you could argue it was a faulty logic or whatever, but it was the path most of the west took after Napoleon.
Ironic
@@stevestrangelove4970 well this goes back further than Napoleon but in the modern since Napoleon did kind of set the bar for this. You can go back and look at the story of Aeneas and such which makes be believe we are pretty hardwired to be nationalistic. Nation as in the people, not like a government.
CT isn't a nazbol dude, wtf
He's a fascist and that's all they care about.
Couple that up with the fact CT actually does respect Hitler though he prefers the Italian model, they would double down on the mere fact he wouldn't denounce him.
he's polyamorous call him Shared Destiny
🤣
r/accidentalcommunism
Who is?
Cultured thug is one of the most rational people I have seen in the politics Internet community. So underrated
If you want rationality, you should definitely check out Paul Cockshott's channel.
sad you feel this way hope you get help
@@amp4105 Do you support big pharma?
@@amp4105 its a based take you need help
@@amp4105 nothing will change in this left and right wing paradigm
Wow fascism doesn't sound so bad, even Destiny seems to agree with some points.
You read any books on fascism?
It's not bad at all, I would like to grow up in a society which glorifies the worker without the opression of Communism.
Wait till you read philosophy of fascism or the doctrines of fascism
@@CaesarsLegion1 it’s corrupt and doesn’t work
@@CaesarsLegion1 and it halts progress
Debates from Politically Provoked about far right conspiracies part 87
They're my favorites tbh
Would naz bols be far right?
@@sa-mp5iw she isnt left wing anymore
i'm the furthest from right leaning but what conspiracies did you hear here? seems like ur talking out of ur ass part 1
@@KamilDeKerel you clearly don’t know Cultured Thug. He’s a MASSIVE antisemite. He has a swastika tattoo.
Cultured Thug is right
No
@@cameronstrouth7614 yes, seethe
@@anonymist-n8zno *non seething manner*
He barely speaks English
@@glowindark64 He speaks enough to make fools seethe
"Why do you call yourself a Facist?"
"Marketing"
I mean.... Man sells an honest product lmao
It ain’t much, but it’s freeing work
@@Sillylittlestug Underappreciated comment. Well done
9 times out of 10, when someone says "identity politics", they mean 'focus on race.' So when New Frontier, or CT, says they are against identity politics, it means they seek to further advances of American identity - not just black or white identity. That's my understanding.
yes
@Char Aznable No, it isn't the media's alleged cramming of "world citizen" down America's throat that people may have become inherently opposed to the idea of Nationalism. This one is on the various Nationalist that go to the extremes with it and prefer America alone.
In the case of your own comment, "focusing" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. What does it mean to focus on one's own nation above any other? What does it mean to "return to the nation"? How is America doomed without doing so?
The world is so much more connected now than at anytime in the past, it's reasonable to expect a focus on globalization. Fighting globalization while the rest of the world connects with one another would be detrimental to the country.
Also, the irony in you using Char Aznable's name while believing so strongly in ideals that run counter to his is not lost on me.
Broadly it's an attack against Intersectionality theory, which is a horrible toxic divisive ideology hence why its pushed.
If by "American Identity" you mean runaway pluralism with groups who're more concerned about banding together and gaming the system at the expense of naive individualists like yourself who think tolerance will ensure your way of life once they get sizable, if not majoritarian, political influence then sure...diverse multiculturalism and instinctively tribal division in a national population promoted by historically-ignorant liberalism is the "American Identity".
"You wanna get into policy? I can get into policy."
"Its about identity politics"
lmaooo
@F.W. What
The key is how american liberalism differs from european liberalism, They're not the same, Destiny pretends they are.. Liberalism has no problems with implementing these solutions, sure but that's almost a metaphysical argument as it actually has nothing to do with american liberalism, or what special interests and lobbyists want to do in terms of policy.
His point was that americas problems have more to do with American culture than liberalism. The guy he was speaking to was trying use liberalism as a scapegoat for everything wrong with America, which isn’t true. It’s like blaming democracy for Trump being in office, when the blame should be on the citizens who did and didn’t vote. This guy wasn’t purely attacking American Liberalism, he was attacking Liberalism as a whole, and dismissing European countries because they are smaller than the us
"The United States is seen as providing or ensuring safety to certain countries". I think Destiny is way out of touch with how the rest of the world sees United States military interventionism.
It's actually quite true. The big claim to fame and riches for the us was that they got so many allies. When we are talking nations outside of the melting pot of the middle East, they all massively benefited from us protection. The willingness of the us to intervene and defend country's is what gives safety and strength to the us. Ofc, when talking a few middle Eastern countries or Vietnam, it's a different story. But generally speaking, us interventions net benefit the country's in question a lot.
@@spyzebyo9466 That didn't address my point. Outside of the US, people IMO are skeptical the US are protectors and are more imperalists. i.e. very few people IME still defend Iraq and Libya as benevolence driven military interventions. I think only some Americans do (like Destiny perhaps).
I think the average European, Latin American (are you aware of the history of US military interventionism in Latin America?), Middle Easterner, and South East Asian is more skeptical of the claim of benevolent US military intervention than Destiny and you may realize.
@@tomberwick1044 wait what country are you from? Because atleast here in eastern europe everyone disagrees with what you just said
@@kallerokanen8979 Britain. If you are accurate then I believe Eastern Europe is an exception to the rest of the world.
@@tomberwick1044uhm go Ask koreans, Japanese, taiwanese, Indians, vietnamese, philippinos, kenyans, Nigerians, Ugandans, lebanese, Jordanians, Italians, french, etc. All The people in these countries support foreign us military interventions. And im not pulling this out of My ass. This is data from pew research center, i just listed *some* of The countries where a clear majority support us military intervention against terrorism.
What! I didn’t know cultured thug debated destiny that’s cool af
I think you fall into a trap when you talk to this guy about 'liberalism' and use that as a way to talk about economics. The fact that an "economic liberal" to him is nationalized health care, education and eradication of private ownership tells us that he doesn't really care about 'liberalism' in the same way you care about it.
When he talks about 'liberalism' he's talking about personal freedoms. He's talking about immigration, marriage, and an enforcement of traditional social values. That's why he constantly runs away from economic topics and constantly brings up things like transgender bathrooms, individualism, nationalism, etc.
@@kg356 Wrong. The argument is that Democracy will never exist and doesn't exist now. Therefore we should have an elite that's actually WORTHY of being an elite since we are creatures that naturally develop hierarchy to organize.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff those that are worthy of being elites should be people that get votes in a democratic system. Gtfoh if you’re arguing for a dictatorship/autocracy over democracy.
@@blascantu7221 Do you really think you have power in America? Do you honestly think elections change much? You have very little say regardless of the pageantry for elections. Wake up.
Also yes I'm saying Democracy is fake and doesn't exist. You need a proper ruling elite that have the nations best interest at heart as opposed to the malevolent oligarchs we have now.
yeah, but thats what democracy is all about: the population deciding who should be elite.
all fascist points are contradicting themself: "lets install an elite to decide who is the elite to prevent the elite from deciding who should be elite"
its so dumb
@@fruehlingsobst8123 That's a terrible mischaracterization of Fascism.
Cultured thug vs indoctrinated lolbert.
Destiny: Even if they try to, it'd be insanely hard for corporate media to make people believe things
Also Destiny: Misinformation is a huge problem with widespread damaging effects
@1234567Aesop
If you've followed Destiny for a while, you'd know that Destiny's view has been that alternative media tends to spew far more misinformation than mainstream (or "corporate") media. While corporate media is responsible to shareholders and to the public to develop trust (as its target demographic is much wider than alternative media), it is far harder to get away with outright lies or misinformation than alternative media, which can pander to an a more specific audience's confirmation bias. It's much harder to get away with misinformation or outright lies when your audience is far more diverse (not just in typical demographics, but in views as well). There is also a much higher standard of journalistic integrity and far greater consequences for producing outright falsehoods, whereas in most alternative media, there are absolutely no consequences for lying as long as you're telling your audience exactly what they want to hear.
Hello Cultured Thug's alt!
Most of the misinformation is coming from memes tho
@@Dadscap Dang, your ability to read people is astonishing. Yes, I'm the guy who said "We had a good conversation, we agreed on a lot more than thought"
@@Mrrogersbestneighbo Yup, and I agree for the most part. Was just another sophist moment from Destiny contradicting his articulated beliefs.
They were really committed to saying "state ran" instead of "state-run".
"what is a shared Destiny?" - best Jeopardy answer ever
Cultured Thug is alright.
Come over to New Frontier bro.
@@Adeptus_MechanicusNational Syndicalism.
"the elites are blind arbiter, but i, will make them see"
Turn heretic…..
It's always amusing when nationalism is being brought up as some anti identity politics solution when the very concept of national identity is a mega identity politics project.
...what exactly is the problem with that?
@@majdjinn5042 It doesn’t make sense to criticise identity politics as being the source of all our current problems and then propose a different kind of identity politics as the solution.
The people espousing identity politics are driven by the same need as the dude in the video. Community. Most people are searching desperately for an in-group they can cling to and he’s no different. He just doesn’t realise it.
It's not complicated. If there's only 1 race, then there's no identity politics. Look at any over ethnostate
@@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998 that is just factually wrong in every ethnostate there are clear identities, in and out groups..
@@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998 👀👀Irish people have entered the chat…. 👀👀The Mongols have entered chat
Can't believe destiny is debating a ring wraith. Didn't even know they had political opinions.
It's been a year, you still using fictional characters to dehumanize those with whom you disagree? Last I checked, that's sort of what the National Socialists did with Jews, calling them goblins, rats, demons, etc. So, you still a Nazi who think it's amazing those who do happen to share your beliefs are capable of having their own...you know, like fellow human beings with wills of their own?
Can someone just cut out the Destiny parts? He is absolutely insufferable and I want to hear what CT has to say.
You could easily solve the problem of people disagreeing on certain issues by proper education. You could even build specialized camps where disagreeable people would be concentrated so it would be easier to re educate them.
Had me in the 1st half ngl
I hope this is a sarcastic jab. If not you two are fucked.
True though.
Sounds pretty questionable to meeeeeee.
I was a senior in highschool (18yo) about to graduate when OWS happened . I was also taking US government that year. My teacher also brought voter registration forms for us to register if we so choose. So, I got into politics a little. OWS was actually one of the moments where I realized how politically impotent and inept the left was in this country. They had so much potential and momentum then and they didnt use any of it to push for specific policies or candidates to get into office, they didn't have any real plan or solutions or top-down organization. And once the heat died down that was it. They didn't change anything really.
Their failure was borne out of the new left suspicion of the "Party" as a form of social and political organisation.
The ratchet effect man
There were no unions to back it up, that’s why I think it was a partial failure. Top down organization is undesirable: too easily infiltrated by the police, which they nevertheless attempted. But overall it was a success, perhaps a candidate like Bernie would’ve been unthinkable without OWS. Anything to bring a semblance of class consciousness back into the frame, since capitalist realism has made literally socialism unthinkable for most Americans.
@@HahaDamn Them being suspicious of party politics doesn't forgive why they got nothing done. They pretty much just wasted their time and everybody else's time.
I can't stand people who complain about something in politics and then don't take real world steps to try and fix it and don't even know where to start or who to goto.
@@Priinsu Political failures are sometimes necessary for progress to occur. It does not indicate that people are doomed to fail for all time, we see that time and time again historically, Goldwater failed, but Reagan won emphatically, the revolutions of 1848 failed, but the chartist movement ultimately won the franchise and the political demands of the revolutionaries were enacted in the coming decades.
As the internets foremost expert on Nazbolism I can confirm that Cultured Thug is not a Nazbol.
Yeah he's not even close
@@Oldfogey82 yep, the funny part is that a liberal is much more imperialistic than an actual Fascist
I'm pretty sure he doesn't can himself "nazbol"
He refers himself as "third positionist"
@@omega0195 yep, exactly
There are roughly 640k manufacturing businesses in the usa, 300k factories, and 900 factories that employ 1000 or more people.
That's a lot of small business manufacturing
@@lacobunis971 For sure.
Data
Rookie numbers
@@xdpking9271 or a simple example for normies
This dude's just a classic fascist, not a nazbol.
Apperently he hates Jews and thinks they are destroying society..
I'm not sure what a "National Bolshevik" even is
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I think it's facism with socialist values
@@dylansevitt According to Wikipedia it
"is a radical political movement that combines ultranationalism (or alternatively fascism in some cases) and communism."
Which doesn't actually help me understand it very well.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor
Politically nationalist;
Economically communist.
I fully disagree with Destiny. Liberalism is based on individualism and fascism is based on the collective.
It would be easier in a collectivist country, compared to an individual one, to restrict individual liberty for the good of the country.
Nazbol's "shared destiny" = Groyper's "shared story"
And neither can explain what the fuck that even means... They've arbitrarily chosen one physical characteristic of people, skin color, and decided that somehow aligns our morals, values and goals when it very clearly doesn't. A white man in California doesn't have the same "story" as a white man in Alabama or as a white man in New York etc.
@@douglas_fir love that you have a this different wacky name for fascism so that it doesnt sound as bad, but nobody cares.
@@douglas_fir cope, bro
@Char Aznable none of that matters. We just need to get the brightest minds together in a room and crunch numbers. Super easy.
@Char Aznable Corporatism is Socialism though. TPs hate Marxism, which is only one form of Socialism.
Is it normal for Destiny to play League of Lemmings while debating and half-assing both?
A blatant show of disrespect for the guest. Nothing proves you're not taking anyone seriously like gaming while you should be focused on your guest.
Perfect comment
Based Nazbol
what i got from this debate:
national socialists 🤝 international socialists
man, I use to watch you a long time. It is strange that you still believe in this Liberal capitalist or capitalism in general when it is creating the whole degeneracy of this nation or even the western world.
They agree on very broad policies and ideas that doesn’t mean they are allies lol but you are a lolbert so I don’t think you would understand that
@@grematoo2478 Yep 100%, This man will still complain how "woke" or "horrible" our society is but still on this left, right dichotomy
@ShortFatOtaku either ways, you should go to the platform or contact him and he would be willing to talk to you about what he is doing on the political stuff in real life
@@roydeilock2557 “degeneracy” is a neo-Nazi dogwhistle for homophobia and hatred of non-normative groups
The point about developing treatments for rare diseases is an absolutely horrible one to bring up for Destiny. Drug companies rarely pursue that kind of research without govt support, because there's no way to charge a small number of people enough money to recoup the development costs. There's programs specifically to give funding to encourage them to research those fields lol
The guy contradicts himself all over the place. Kinda disappointed destiny didn't push harder, but then again maybe this is how he will attract a debate with some bigger names.
Idk why Destiny is so ignorant on economics. He says socialism has always failed. Hakim on RUclips did a great video on how dumb of a talking point that is. The USSR had greater economic growth than the USA from 1946-1980s. It absolutely works. I was a right libertarian, which required me to be completely ignorant of economic history in the USA. Destiny and many liberals beleive the big lie, that all of the problems we find ourselves in is an organic result. Whether it be the death of unions to pur border crisis. Few actors in the past shaped the country to bring about these issues, and a few people benefit from them so they keep the issues ongoing. "One Nation Under Blackmail" by Whitney Web, is an incredible book, that details the connections of intelligence, organized crime, big business, and government. Reading it will give anyone a stronger understanding of who the problem is and how to solve it.
1:36:40 "Destiny promotes liberal markets for world peace, yet these open [world] markets have destroyed the American middle class. Why is he okay with this?"
Seems to me Destiny completely evaded this question and changed the subject to simply what he thinks our economic problems are. He should have explained why he doesn't agree open trade destroyed the middle class.
The problem is it has and there's no denying it. You just have to say world markets are worth it lol.
He's a utilitarian he should be able to show that china/asia uplifted millions versus the thousands in USA.
@@husseinpoliphilo In a debate, you can't just say it. You have to explain why you believe it.
@@buck9668 what ??? It literally is true. Everyone knows this... Data backs it up and shows record job losers due to globalization???!
@@husseinpoliphilo Hi Hussein,
Are you reading what I wrote? Just to summarize, I wrote that:
1) Destiny evaded the question
2) In a debate, you can't just say, "World markets are worth it, lol." You have to explain why you think so.
So: Are you disagreeing with me or not? If you are, please explain why.
Cultured Thug should have attacked, Destiny's entire economic view, which rests upon the toxic and false assumption, that lower wages is good. "Americans charge more for labor, so sending manufacturing overseas lowers the costs." Yes, this also lowers wages, and a country with higher wages can afford to buy more things. Liberalism ie Individualism Is also a huge driving force for inflation. The cost of goods is at an all time high. Simultaneously, so are the profits of these corporations. Few individuals are benefiting at the expense of the nation. These company executives stabbed their fellow countrymen in the back during a crisis, but under liberalism this is totally allowed and ethical.
It seems like what you're describing is corporatism when certain business conglomerates are manipulating the capitalist market economy for their own financial benefits ( via unlimited corporate PAC donations and unlimited super PAC donations ). This particular issue can be solved by having particular legislation that would ban super PACs with also at least strongly limiting donations from any political action committee group. Inflation would be much less likely of a thing if we stop printing money from the Federal Reserve. Not to mention inflation would be much less of a thing If if the US government did things that would strengthening market competition by having an antitrust bust of business conglomerates ( while strongly enforcing antitrust laws from here on out ) with also not over regulating the economy that would help smaller businesses and startup businesses to compete in the market.
Liberalism by its meaning ( before it got hijacked by progressives that's obsessed with virtue signaling ) is supporting things like private property, market economies, individual rights ( which include civil rights, body autonomy rights, and of course constitutional rights ), democratic republics / representative democracies, personal freedom within the rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, and the separation of church and state.
Wow, this is really interesting, never expected Destiny to be good enough to get plat
Anything is possible when you duo with mootybooty
Me "loving my country" should not include tacit or wholesale support of its wrongdoings. My love for the country is based on my belief that it has a framework that allows for it to truly be "a great country".
But for us to do this, we must be able to criticize the country or the states and territories therein, when it's going the wrong way.
Exactly. That's the most frustrating part of this debate. Destiny thinks of "loving your country" in opposition to "hating your country" and concedes that it would be bad if everyone in the country hated it. That might seem reasonable, but to this guy "loving your country" is to never criticize it (unless it's his side of the argument, in which case it's fine), not teach about/be critical of it's history, and other stupid shit like that.
Nationalists are usually the .most critical of the Nations wrongdoings, Nationalism is much more then "love of your country" it goes down to the individual level, seeing those around you as members of your extended family
Patriotism is when you love the country and fight for the people in it. You want to make it better and put it in a good position for its citizens, and make it appealing for all who wish to live there.
Nationalism is when you follow a country without question. You care for a false identity and align yourself with a political belief of superiority over other nations.
@@diegorincon4673 Both nationalists and patriots (according to their self-id) do the latter
@@diegorincon4673 that is false. Nationalism has wrongly been equated with National Chauvinism. When you are a nationalist your fellow citizens are extended family members, and you want what is best for them, yes you do care more about them then none citizens, just like I assume you care more about your blood family then none family members.
Where was destiny raised? I was raised in a liberal stronghold. Extremely Anti-war and extremely "America bad".
I believe he grew up in Omaha, Nebraska. One of his parents came from a Cuban immigrant background, and his family were, and are, quite conservative in their values.
This was very enjoyable discourse/debate with amicable concessions, as well as push back on both sides. I know that these types don't generate as much controversy, but they're nourishing to listen to.
Cultured thug is actually really smart. Destiny purposely obscures the issues here. Bad showing.
Very interesting debate we have here.
01:04:10 Finland essentially has state run media. Finland's state run media gets unconditional funding from taxes, and seems to work fine, as there aren't many perverse incentives when the funding is unconditional. It also helps that Finland has strong journalism education. There is also for profit media in Finland, but they're generally seen as entertainment, not as news.
Sort of same in Switzerland
The fact that your country has a lower population than Detroit doesn't hurt.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I’ve never understood that argument. Education and health funding is massively devolved issue and small states like Vermont and Massachusetts as well as big states like New York and Pennsylvania already have systems that use state and federal funding reasonably well. It’s really not that hard to do. Japan for instance has a massive population, as does much of the European Union, and large scale co-operation takes place there with relative ease. It is harder to regulate healthcare and education amongst larger populations, but the way people present it is as though it’s an impossibility. It’s hard to draw exact comparisons between countries, but if there was any country on the face of the earth rich enough to roll out large scale publicly funded health programs it’s the United States.
Maybe there's some misunderstanding from my part, but I don't think that for profit media/newspapers are seen generally as entertainment here in Finland. Especially the bigger ones such as Helsingin Sanomat are seen as reliable news sources, which they usually are. The for profit TV channels' (MTV3, Nelonen) news are also seen as reliable. And a lot of people also get their news from more tabloidish newspapers such as Iltalehti and Ilta-Sanomat, especially from their online sites. They are often a bit sensationalist but their reporting is still usually factual. Ofc there are total garbage tabloid magazines such as Seiska, which people see only as entertainment.
And even YLE, which is the "state run media" here, is as far as I understand quite independent.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor well seeing that the US has a higher gdp per capita than most 1st world nations and nations with more extensive safety nets in place, that is not an argument.
If this dude is 43 and didn't get a pro-America education, he must be either lying or grew up in a commune. I am the same age and got a super patriotic education. Pledge and national anthem in class everyday. We made fun of the Native American kid who never stood up for the Pledge. July 4th, Memorial Day, President's Day, Veteran's Day, baseball games, etc... This dude has probably also never left his little bubble he lives in never mind the country. I am super liberal when I am back in the States, but here in Japan where I live and have a family, I am like a literal flag-waving, "don't tread on me" Tea Party militia man.
The thug got most of his education from prison and a lot has changed since the 80s.’btw fuck Regan. Where my M16 and healthy society gone Regan?
He's straight up lying lmao
He's 100% full of it hell my public school even snuck some religion in every now and then and that was in 2006.
Actually, If you didn't know, culture thug is self educated. You don't need to go to college to be viewed and be called "educated person". He has a video of him showing his library (book collection). Trust me, it's alot. And before you say the books on his collection are of his own biases, THEY AREN'T. He has all kinds of books, from, fascism, liberalism, communism, anarchism etc. He has it all. He has debated his opposition (Marxists/commies) and even people who are right wing too. So if anyone needs to leave their eco chamber is you. If anyone who needs to educate themselves about history and political ideology is you.
I think this convo can be partially summarised by the bit about 48 minutes in when the other guy basically says look how things are going, and Destiny says uh yep I'm looking and they seem like they're doing fine, and they both sound as smug as each other like their remark should be pre-supposed.
Because we have proof that things are going fine.
For instance when was the last time a universal healthcare was revoked in a country?
To be fair, I'm not sure there is any other response when you have someone begging the question so hard with that kind of response.
Shit might seem crazy, especially in the world of politics, but in terms of health, finances, crime & violence and any other metric for the average person, things are actually pretty damn good. Obviously it all could be better, but this idea that the world is falling apart seems to only come from those who are heavily invested in leftist or right wing conspiratorial politics. I mean if you were to go back in time and talk to someone during the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights Movement, The Great Depression, The Cold War, World War II, virtually any decade in the past 100 years and tell them about how challenging things are in 2022, they'd probably just fuckin' laugh at you. I'm sure you'd wind up giving them a whole lot more hope for the future as a result.
"Oh no, people are rioting during protests? Wait, did you say dollars in damage? In 2022 they no longer count the damage from riots in bodies? Did you really just say last year was hard because you had to wear a mask when going to the store? That's because of nuclear warfare with the Soviet Union, to deal with nuclear radiation, right? What happened to the Soviet Union? Oh, it's because of measles, right? What happened to measles? Covid, is that worse than measles? I'm confused, then what was the problem with the mask, there's still food on the shelves, right? Goddamn, the future sounds awesome, take me with you! No seriously, I'll kill you right now if you don't take fuckin' take me with you. I'm not fuckin' around."
@@BeeruzChrysler
"The Hindenburg might be in flames, but it hasn't hit the ground yet, I don't know what you're on about."
@@BeeruzChrysler
I was agreeing with you, actually. It was banter, as in the people you're talking about seem to act as though the mere fact it isn't a complete disaster refutes the notion something is wrong and in need of improvement.
Nick at night was absolutely not before his time
I feel like this dude just expunged Caitlin Jenner from his memory about the evolution of the trans discussion. She was one of the first hyper-public transitions in 2014, just a few years after Occupy Wall Street. Or he just ignores inconvenient information.
I love how dudes like this talk about race and say things like "liberals are the racist, they always wanna separate people by color and put everyone in their own boxes. The left only deals in identity politics." Then in the same conversation complain about how we need men to be more masculine and discuss how his "3rd position" ideas would help the "pro-white" community. How is he not doing the same thing he accuses the libs of doing.
Liberals discriminate against anyone who doesn't perfectly align with their views. Culture thug doesn't. Folks like him tell it as it is, the reality, and wants everyone to be aware of it, and come to their senses.
@Bob X i reckon most Jews would gladly go there. However, it really makes you wonder why people would say things about Jews like that? What makes them come to that opinion? The only way to find out is to ask them...
The fascist 3rd positionism that CT seems to represent isn't a racially divisive or antisemitic political stance. Perhaps you should listen to what he actually said instead of making groundless accusations.
@@pollytix7271 I'm not really concerned about his political stance or weather the 3rd position is a rational idea. I'm more interested in the hypocrisy of saying "I don't deal in identity politics" then claiming his ideas will help this race or that race. Or how he wants men to be more like men. Which is putting people in to boxes based on their identity, which he claims he does like to do.
@@somedude693 Unifying everybody regardless of identity, background and race under a collectivist framework that enriches and bolsters everybody isn't identity politics. Even if that was true, it isn't divisive as the atypical dysfunctional identity politics seen today.
"tHoSe nInE MRNA pAtEnTs MeAn NoThINg!!!" -Destiny
lel....okie-dokie, debate dude
CT? Is that the fascist guy?
yeah
Follow him
The sugar tax in the UK has achieved absolutely nothing except for draining more money from poor people who can’t afford to eat healthier food
So Destiny's in an open relationship, yet he rejects the idea of a shared destiny, curious...
I think guy meant to suggest a govt owned industry that stays in US, that has competitive pay. It's point isn't to compete internationally bc it won't be able to . It's point is to maintain an industry.
Exactly. American industry would be by and for Americans as a priority.
Got home from school, finished ap lit hw, practiced instruments and i see this in my feed. Life is good.
How is he a Nazbol those are just Fascist beliefs
I know right? But then again, this is Destiny and his community. At least he put the New Frontier platform and third position so that's a win win
Something that's missed a lot about Ukraine is that Donetsk and Luhansk aren't interested in being annexed by Russia, Minsk 3 agreement or recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk is necessary for peace in Donbas
lmao calling CT a nazbol is so dishonest, he literally debated Infrared, an actual nazbol
CT is also a actual fascist or third position
Destiny makes a good point that the financial incentive is what is driving American medical innovation, but the problem is that most of that innovation is already publicly funded. The gov gives grants to big pharma for this research but they’re double dipping by also reaping insane margins
The USSR made great advancements in Pharmaceuticals. Cuba punches way above their weight when it comes to innovation. Research and Development gave us everything from lasers, internet, and so on.
Never heard of this Cultured Thug guy before, but I believe he's been winning this debate so far. This debate is also really relaxed, unlike the debates with other leftists.
Freedom of speech freedom to own property describes more than half of political identities.
How can you be 43 and still believe giving absolute power to a single entity is a good idea. Does this guy huff glue?
exactly absolute power corrupts absolutely..
@Char Aznable oligarchy is a growing issue, and honestly any time all the media agrees on something I find it highly sus cause that seems like a sign that the oligarchs agree on something.
However conservatives still call out liberals, and liberals still call out conservatives. The thing I find most troubling is the amount of people who want to end the ability for their opposition to have any media representation. The worst part of any totalitarian ideology is that you don't have anybody talking about the faults of those in power, and once you start on that path you can have atrocities on the level of the holocaust.
Government is a tool, it can be used for both bad and good.
Just a small pedantic thing: the "en" in "en-masse" is pronounced like "on" not like "in".
*meanwhile in chat*
flame_warrior: Destiny why are you in queue again if you said the last one was a mistake?
Deasinty: flame_warrior because now i realize this convo is super boring
lmao
Takes a special type of politicel to suggest people might agree with banning fried chicken sandwiches
ah yes yes "society is so bad there are so many things we need to change but no the first time i've voted was in 2016 for trump. did i mention i have a ton of ideas on how things should be and i feel very strongly about them but i don't ever want to do anything about them that goes beyond sitting at home and talking into a camera"
99% of online politics.
You know absolutely nothing about CT and New Frontier.
Finaly A useful vid from you Tiny, about Time
its weird that for the first 40 min of watching this i thought destiny was debating a socialist until i saw the title lol , it seems like they have alot of similarities or is it just me?.
That's what NazBol is. It's a synthesis of socialistic beliefs with nationalistic ones.
Fascists (he's not a NazBol) and Marxist-Leninists have a lot in common. Both have Marx as their starting point, ML's diverging via the thought of Lenin and fascists of Georges Sorel
Saw the thumbnail and for a moment I thought it was ACG.
It’s still amazing how people on the far right and far left sound so similar 😂
Fascism was never right-wing to begin with, it's born from syndicalism.
Mussolini quotes, many after he became a fascist........
"Marx was the greatest of all theorists of socialism."
"Socialism has to remain a terrifying and a majestic thing. If we follow this line, we shall be able to face our enemies."
"The law of socialism is that of the desert: a tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye. Socialism is a rude and bitter truth, which was born in the conflict of opposing forces and in violence. Socialism is war, and woe to those who are cowardly in war. They will be defeated."
"The root of our psychological weakness was this: We socialists have never examined the problems of nations. The International was never concerned with it. The International is dead, paralyzed by events. Ten million proletarians are today on the battlefield."
"You cannot get rid of me because I am and always will be a socialist. You hate me because you still love me."
"Do not believe, even for a moment, that by stripping me of my membership card you do the same to my Socialist beliefs, nor that you would restrain me of continuing to work in favor of Socialism and of the Revolution"
"Lenin is an artist who has worked men, as other artists have worked marble or metals. But men are harder than stone and less malleable than iron. There is no masterpiece. The artist has failed. The task was superior to his capacities."
"I know the Communists. I know them because some of them are my children"
"I shall defend this pact with all my strength, and if Fascism does not follow me in collaboration with the Socialists, at least no one can force me to follow Fascism."
"Standing by me and helping my work as newspaper man were the Fascisti. They were composed of revolutionary spirits who believed in intervention. They were youths-the students of the universities, the socialist syndicalists-destroying faith in Karl Marx by their ideals."
"It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman. Marx had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet."
"I never felt that there was any conflict between my military duties and my Socialism. Why should not a good soldier be also a fighter in the class war?"
"Italy is not a capitalist country according to the meaning now conventionally assigned to that term."
"Three-fourths of the Italian economy, industrial and agricultural, is in the hands of the state. And if I dare to introduce to Italy state capitalism or state socialism, which is the reverse side of the medal, I will have the necessary subjective and objective conditions to do it."
"It is no longer an economy aiming at individual profit, but economy concerned with collective interest."
"When the war is over, in the world's social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth's riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers. The Fascist revolution will make another decisive step to shorten social distances."
"Some still ask of us: what do you want? We answer with three words that summon up our entire program. Here they are…Italy, Republic, Socialization. . .Socialization is no other than the implantation of Italian Socialism"
"For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality. As the evolution of society belied many of the prophecies of Marx, the true socialism folded from possible to probable. The only feasible socialism socialisticamente is corporatism, confluence, balance and justice interests compared to the collective interest."
"I owe most to Georges Sorel. This master of syndicalism by his rough theories of revolutionary tactics has contributed most to form the discipline, energy and power of the fascist cohorts."
Fascists and Third positionists arent far-right they are beyond left and right either upper radical centre or authoritarian left
Fascism is centrist. It unites the right and the left and rejects the extremes of both.
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To understand Italian Fascism, you have to understand Giovanni Gentile.
To understand Giovanni Gentile, you have to understand Guiseppe Mazzini.
If you understand those two, it will actually put those quotes into proper perspective, because they were at war with Russia while we were allied with them.
They were absolutely not Pro-Marxist, especially when Italy was allied with NSDAP Germany, and they rose to power by gaining public support beating Marxists in the streets.
PS: If you want to read something anti-Marxist, read Mein Kampf. If you want to read something Anti-Semitic, read "For My Legionaries" by Corneliu Cordreanu.
He makes Hitler look like a boy-scout.
If he wants cheap drugs for the population he should be all for the government buying them in bulk and selling at cost, right? That's literally the lowest possible cost societally.
~>go to the gym to do pull day w deadlifts
~>come home
~>watch destiny debate some fashy weirdo while eating my daily 4 eggies with ketchup
Perfect morning *GIGACHAD*
ever tried eggs with srirracha? much better imo
~>cry yourself to sleep at night, because eggs and deadlifts wont cure your crippling loneliness
@@bajsmongo2000 But you'll be a big strong eggy boi, so it won't matter.
@@bajsmongo2000 I'm too tired come evening to even think about that BEYYTA MALE shit
@@MW-ud8zp I'm a eurocuck and i dont even know that it's sold here. I'll keep an eye out for it next time i get groceries
I like destiny but he wants to be a big player in the LGBT world so he will fight this tooth and nail. This guy is correct though, This device is trash was born during occupy.
Lol
brittany is just a wignat now not even pretending to be anything else
>now pepelaugh
I just learned the word "nazbol" what's a wignat?
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor It’s short for National Bolshevism
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor it means "wigger nationalist", essentially trashy white nationalists
@@hallo-mt5tx so... all of them...?
>anti-american perspective was being pushed from 1990-2005
what the fuck is this guy even talking about?
1:04:10 First time I really disagree with destiny on something. In Germany we got state funded/run media and it is the greatest thing. Most households pay a monthly fee and there are great restrictions to not outcompete private media channels. It is the greatest way to consume news because there very little insentive to push viewer numbers.
I dont blame him for not knowing, why should he. But it may be something to consider in the future 🤷♂
state funded / state regulated and state run are two very different things and can’t be used interchangeably, at least in my eyes. I interpret state run to mean that the govt literally decides or approves the content before it goes on air. If all the state does is setup some ground rules and fund it, but then you hire your own journalists and run your own stories, that’s not what this dude was referring to.
@@TonyCox1351 Ok I agree. State run media in north korea translates way different than in many european countries. And yeah this guy probably wants the korea version.
I just think this topic is so under represented in public discource and destiny is always so close to it when he talks about misinformation. Imo access to information should be seen as a civil right and enforced by the state.
@@loganpro101 Again, state run and state funded are two very different things.
Why would I want a shared destiny if destiny is talking to only me right now?
It's funny how this guy is calling for more populism and at the same time perfectly represent the issues populism has. A lot of stuff sounds good or intuitive until you actually try to get down to the nuts and bolts of things and find out "wait, this is actually really complicated"
No it isn't. Look at Italy under Benito. Germany under Adolf. Spain under Franco
August memeing about videos titled The TRUTH after Destiny’s talk with Brittany lol
he is not a "Nazbol"
@@aidan883 He's an american third positionist
@@aidan883 Spagbol
@@aidan883I think what he was trying to say is that the third position is the one that comes after the first two.
He's a 3rd Reich position who likes to bowl
@@aidan883 sure Mussolini's facist philsophy predates Hitlers and was not racially based, more corporatist.
Nazbol implies his a follower of Hitler's ethno-facist idealogy. In other words it would be correct to call him a facist, but not a nazi. It's like saying Mao and Marx or Lenin had the same ideas and vision for perfect communism, they clearly didn't.
This might be a hard weekend for many of us, but in RUclips you can always seek refugee
I’m kinda disappointed Destiny is still repeating those right wing talking points about medical innovation and private healthcare systems. Just because the US has the highest quantity of patents on new drugs and medical devices doesn’t exactly translate to the quality of those innovations. If you are innovating in the field of weight loss and penis pills that isn’t exactly the same as a new Alzheimer’s drug. The newest Alzheimer’s drug approved came from Switzerland for instance. The first HIV vaccine was made in Canada and is beginning clinical trials now.
There are real incentives for universal healthcare systems(UHS) to innovate when it comes to debilitating and degenerative diseases, as the healthcare system will have to support those sick people instead of just letting them go bankrupt and die. So UHS’s have to innovate in order to save money. A side effect is that more people stay healthy longer. With a for profit healthcare system(PHS) there are incentives to innovate to treat symptoms but not diseases. As in a PHS something that reduces symptoms 80%, needs to be taken daily and can be charged more for will be selectively innovated over something that eliminates the disease, needs only a short regiment and can be charged for as mush or less than the alternative.
In a UHS the incentives is to innovate to save money by eliminating diseases. In a PHS the incentives are to make as much profit as possible while creating products that hopefully don’t hurt you more than they help. Speaking as a Canadian, I often see crazy US drug commercial. Yeah, the US has lots of drugs... and the list of side effects for some random constipation drug sounds worse than being a little backed up.
Then there is the facts of the of economy of scale when looking at the innovation in a country of 330 million when compared to 38 million. With a country 10x bigger, the economy and medical industries don’t scale linearly.
Destiny keeps brining up the innovation question in a UHS but seemly has never actually tried to look for an answer. He acts like it’s some defeater or the end of the conversation when it’s only the beginning.
The US has major obstructions to healthcare innovation due to how understaffed and underfunded the FDA is, but is still easily the leader in medical research. I have no idea what you are even talking about with a few of your points.
For example, the most recent Alzheimer's drug was "discovered" by Switzerland? The trials and research to bring it to market worldwide were performed by an American company with American money in America. Surely the Swiss healthcare system should have performed this research instead, no?
The first HIV vaccine was made in Canada? Do you mean GeoVax from Georgia, AIDSVAX from California, or raltegravir from New Jersey, the pilot substances that the entire field of HIV vaccine research is derivative of?
I see that the UHS incentives are so powerful they are entirely dependent on US businesses swooping in and performing the actual research required to bring a safe and effective drug to market... Drug discovery is cheap. Clinical trials are not.
PS: the fact you hear a "list of side effects" is a sign of how tightly regulated US advertisement of drugs is. Do you think your drug of choice doesn't have rare or unpleasant side effects? What do Canadians use for constipation, are you still stuck with charcoal pills? List a drug you think is great and I'll give you some unpleasant things to worry about. The difference is that US consumers actually know their drugs and the government here ensures that advertisement is honest about the benefits AND risks, as opposed to banning ads wholesale and leaving people ignorant.
The objective fact that America does the most medical innovation and research in the entire world is a right wing talking point? Not sure thats really a hill you wanna die on bud
Neither of them can think of state run media? BBC…
I wouldn’t say BBC qualifies as state run. It’s state funded and regulated, but to me state run implies a much more active role in what airs
Cultured Thug wants citiznship and nationality in the US to work like it did with the Romans and the Ottoman Empire. *Checks history notes* The Romans, who collapsed before the advent of nationalism as we know it today, so I dont see how they apply... And the Ottomans, who suffered so many ethnic tensions as nationalism became more prevalent that they had lost like half their empire to nationalist movements before even starting WW1, and lost the rest when the French and British forced them to release most of the rest of their non-turkish lands. Hm. Yes. Stellar examples of empires that included all of their citizens/subjects in their nationalism projects.
Sometimes I wish destiny knew more history so he could call out these kinds of things.
Good point. But what else ?
@@pierren___ what else, what?
@@alslayer18 what do you suggest ?
@@pierren___ I didn't make a suggestion. I just wanted to point out that CT had a bad point, and that I wish destiny knew history.
If there's any suggestion there, I would suggest to CT to learn more about history before making claims about how he wants to borrow things from dead empires. I can't really suggest that destiny go learn more history since he isn't really making too many historical claims himself, but I just wish he knew more history all the same?
@@alslayer18 what's your source?
Igor Letov, a musician that is one of the 3 founders of national bolshevism is schizophrenic and he one day decided to make the party for an unknown reason. But then in a 2007 interview he said he is an anarchist and always was (I don't have anything against anarchists however). National bolshevism is kind of a joke ideology and people really took it seriously.
The real national Bolshevism was made by a man called Karl Otto Paetel. The Russian NBP is just a perversion of these ideas
Communism = Anarchism is the very definition of Cognitive dissonance because it's absolutely antithetical.
You cannot define a stateless society by everything it abolishes.
Destiny agrees with fascist for 1 and a half hours 🤔
Is destiny a nazbol now?
Cultured Thug is hiding his power level the whole time. He’s a major nazi who hates Jews. He just recognizes that destiny opens him up to a huge audience so he pretends to be a reasonable person
Only because CT hid his power level. If you noticed, the things Destiny agreed to were all left wing economic policies like universal healthcare and stuff. Which is why he kept saying "all of what you want are still within the realm of Liberalism".
@@LguanadonTRex fake news
I’m just getting started and so far he sounds like a Bernie bro
Does Britney even listen to this or does she just endlessly scroll for the entire thing?
Always incredibly ironic to see someone be in favor of authoritarianism yet complain when people "force" a way of life on them they don't want.
It goes both ways.
@@omega0195 No it doesn't, it's not inherently ironic for someone advocating for democracy to get a personally undesirable democratic outcome. It's to be expected from time to time that you'd not 100% get what you want, and I expect people advocating for democracy to be fully aware of this. To advocate for autocracy yet complaining that you're not getting it is inherently inconsistent, as you yourself advocate for a system of government where you no longer have a say about the course of your country, which is what you're complaining about.
@@arnvkv2798 you don't like it when someone wants to force their beliefs? Yet you wanna force your beliefs by favoring and wanting people to favor democracy? You're a walking contradiction.
@@omega0195 My system doesn't infringe on his philosophy, as he doesn't value equal choice. "Forcing" democracy on him is fine, he has absolutely no credibility when complaining that he can't choose. If he forces autocracy on me it infringes on my desire to not have a government forced upon me. Enough with this nonsense pestering logic lord.
@@arnvkv2798 if you force your system unto him, it does infringe him, because it goes against his philosophy and system. But, it's ok if you force your system unto people? But not ok if other force their system unto you? What kind of rubbish is this? If you don't like people forcing their beliefs unto you, then don't do it yourself. You're no different from him whenever you folks wanna implement (force) a system upon the population. Again, you're a walking contradiction.
Cultured thug is oddly not a good representator of leader of 3rd positionism, but I will say I have not watched this debate at all yet